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« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2009, 09:18:21 AM »
To the family and friends of Mr. Martin or Marten Williams, my deepest condolences!  It is never easy to lose a loved one much more in the manner how Mr. Williams died.  I am with the rest of the people here who are wishing that justice be served for those who committed the crime.  And hopefully justice be served soon.

I hope and pray that this will not create division among foreigners and locals in Bohol but instead would unite all of us in curbing criminality. 

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« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2009, 11:28:16 AM »
a boy who came to the scene and stabbed the man for allegedly raping the girl, may be telling the truth. however, conjuring up from previous testimonies of PNP, i could only surmise that the motive behind killing of the man has got more sinister roots that run deep into his lifestyle and his previous encounters with the locals as businessman, boyfriend, etc. too much of anything has no virtue. one could be too BUOTAN, yet he/she still run the risk of being abused or manipulated, or otherwise, depending on what you mean by BUOTAN.
i still believe in the goodness of the Boholanos. we'll recover from this mess. this should be an awakening to our Bohol authorities. and we're praying that they have enough devotion to seek solution to this problem.
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« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2009, 12:13:50 PM »

Mao lagi niy problema usahay sa mga Tourista sa atoa, kay dili motahod sa atong kultura ug atong kapobrehon. Unja panamastasan nila atong mga kababaehan. Tungod sa kapobrehon, modawat ug kuarta o cellphone para gamiton. Unja kay naa diay uyab nisinggit gui rape ko.

Dili mani gud nahitabo sa usa lang kahigayon, kini gatapok-tapok na nga mga panghitabo tungod sa iyang kalihokan sa mga minor nga mga baje. Ug sa klase sa iyang negosyo ug sa pamilya pa nga iyan gibiyaan.

Sa sumahon ang mga panghitabo daghan nang nasuko niya, gustong makapanimalos. Kahibalo na sya nga guipan-an sya para sa iyang kinabuhi. Galikay na unta sya, gamay ra kaayo ang Tagbilaran, halos tanan mga kaila ra. Turista residente gamay ra sad, halos kaila ka sa nawong.








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« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2009, 01:47:32 PM »
I am just wondering.  In the earlier post or was it in the article in Bohol Chronicle, it mentioned that the victim, Mr. Williams, hired a security guard after the attempt on his life right in his Bar (Sea or She Bar, way klaro).  Where was he when the incident happened?  And just like other posters, I also wonder why he was in Mansasa that day when I supposed he had a home in Panglao. 

Also, Priscilla challenged the security guard of the Mangrove KTV Bar and Restaurant and Lodging House to produce pictures as proof that Mr. Williams indeed brought women with him when he checked in to the Lodging House. It isn't possible otherwise the security guard will be in great trouble with the Bar/Restaurant/Lodging House patrons.  It's intrusion of the privacy of the patrons.  Let us just let the investigators do their job and trust that Mr. Williams' death shall be given justice.

I hope the foreigners in our province also consider that what happened to Mr. Williams is something that embarrassed us as Boholanos/Filipinos.  This is not something about them being foreigners or us being Filipinos. It's about life and no one deserves to die in the manner that Mr. Williams died.  Peace to all!

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« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2009, 02:42:36 PM »

Pareha jud tag huna-huna aning bahina, Ral. Ug dili tingali ing-ana ang iyang lifestyle ug pamatasan sa mga kababaehan, malikayan man ning panghitabo.
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« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2009, 11:47:08 PM »
To all,


Martin Williams was not the only one murdered in Bohol 3 years ago an old german from Booy, 2 years ago the german couple in Baclayon ,20 years ago our canadian friend Steve and many many more.What are the motives?

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« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2009, 11:57:39 PM »
motives maybe; love triangle, insecurities in business, money
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« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2009, 12:20:37 AM »

vengeance, envy , syndicates, but most of them are plain robbery just like what happen in Boracay. An evil lurks seeing others splurge in luxury while others feel the angst against misery. oh what brought modernity!


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« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2009, 01:38:21 AM »
i am going to write this on behalf of martin, I will tell you what he belived and are true facts. Martin met his wife margi (gee gee) in liverpool england, she was visiting her sister who is married over here. Martin and gee married and had a child who is british. after many holidays to the alona beach area martin decided to sell everything here and move to his fabulous house he built with his new family. his wife never wanted to go at the time as she had not yet got her british visa. They had only been there a few weeks the marraige wasnt going well all she wanted was to return to england and apply for her british visa which is what she done, but when she came back to england on her own (with the baby) she got refused and retuned to martin with her tail between her legs. Martin believed if she had of got it he would never of seen her again. but martin knew after she done this that she only ever used him and sadly he knew she never ever loved him, that was the reason there marriage ended. He was then in his eyes a single man and dated a few females,but so what, he was not commited to anyone he certainly never needed to rape anyone. After the shooting he put up a reward to find out who was behind it all and it came to light and true facts are his estranged wife offered money to a bar maid to poison him. The rape charges are only off people who were offered money for ther statments the ones who say he raped them are friends of Margie his wife, other females who refused the bribes told martin they were approached by the local police to say he raped them and were all offered money for the statments. His estranged wife had a uncle who was in the police and another family member was a local govenor. Martin was on the path to getting his marriage annulled on the grounds his wife only ever married him to become british, if that had of happened she would then of had no claim to his ten million passo house or buisiness, In her eyes he had to die before this happened. Martin truly believed his wife was behind everthing that happened to him and i know most other people believe this to.  The day after his death she moved straight into his house, martin would turn in his grave knowing she got what she wanted. his wish ,he told us,.  was that if onyone succeeded in killing him he would want his house bulldozed down and the land contaminated. She couldnt get her visa so she wanted his house, business and money,. This whole situation makes me angry and the way the pathetic law is over ther she will proply get away with this. I pray to god there will be justice. I hope martin can rest in peace. We will miss you so much matey, you were loved by many. x x x .

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« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2009, 01:54:33 AM »
Hi mga ate and kuyas.
There are a lot of very helpful / informative comments in this thread for our "guests".
I think English should be used here? Since it is understood that  a lot of "guests" would be viewing this yet again.
Considering the topic.
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« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2009, 02:30:43 AM »
tinuod man galing ning estorya ni sxxxxx.. dili maayo as atong mga bol-anon. hinaut unta nga sa sunod nga mga adlaw, wala nay mahitabo parehas ani arong padayon gihapon og dagsa ang atong mga bisita pinoy man o banyaga.

pasensya na Ms. Kiamoy, nagbisaya ko arong dili masabtan niya.

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« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2009, 02:33:42 AM »
The mystery that sorounds Martin's death was done by a professional killers, it is understood that a certain group planned and executed the crime. The root can
not be fully established since the local police has not yet handed out the result of their inquiry, ato nalang huwaton ang pnp o nbi sa ilang final report.
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« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2009, 03:42:55 AM »

Thanks Steve for making a statement who really Martin is. Hope we will also hear the other side of the story.
 



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« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2009, 04:03:09 AM »
What have I been saying the whole time!

Steve emailed me the same email today and called me and he was also here around Xmas time I had met with him and Martin at Dunkin.

The entire family circle and freindship circle of Martin from England has been nothing but thankfull and gracious for my straight up thoughts and work on this case.

I have with me the afidavit signed by Martin and afidavits signed by other attempted victims to go up against Martin in a wrong and dishonest way.

I would like to know why was this case see easy to solve being it invilved an X governors relative when other crimes go unsolved for days, weeks, months years to never being solved.

I am proud of my freind Steve for being a real man with real balls to tellit to you the way i have.

Even what he told me matched exactly to one of martins afidavits because I had met Steve at the mall with Martin on that exact day and time when of the liar girls the one he mentioned had said that was one of the times she was allegedly raped.

I also have the name of the tourist police who is doing the dirty work allegedly.

Kudos to you Bloke!

By the way I have read the dummy copy of the post newspapers copy for tommorow's release I was specifically told not to post the picture of the victim but the Post did it.

there is a combo story and my column and possibly the editorial will be about Martin.

Martin knew he had a trusted Atty in Lim. He always thanked me for everything in my help and now that he is dead I am still here as a freind.

Steve I will email you in a second I have some news that should make you guys happy in England.

Ian the brother of Martin has been emailing me also and his neice, as no one else over here wants to divulge any information you are right-O about some of the laws over here.

Email you soon! :)

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« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2009, 06:15:55 AM »
I worked with martin and got to know him quite well , but not as much as my brother Steve ,with whom he built a good friendship. I just want to say that we were told exactly what was going on and also know about the  shooting incident . What Steve has written is the truth behind this awful case and it should be taken seriously , i admire him for being so open and truthful.
This is a very very sad thing to have of happened and at the end of the day Martin was a dad, a husband and a friend but most of all he was someones son .
All these terrible accusations are obviously made by people who probably are part of the group involved with or know more about this terrible murder , how do these people sleep at night , i would say have some respect for Martin and his family, and think about what you post on here but it is probably a word that they would never understand.
 It is obvious who is behind this awful murder it should not be brushed aside the person guilty behind the whole thing must be punished.
Our condolences are with Martins parents and children and all his family.


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« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2009, 06:59:09 AM »
Truth is always in the best interest of everyone. Everyone loses if justice is not served.

May those who know Martin and also have direct knowledge of this crime step out of their anonymity in this forum and execute statements that can be used in court.

This case stands a better chance of being solved than the earlier ones. For one, the suspects are in custody. They are minors and cannot be prosecuted as adults. But if they were indeed part of a conspiracy, if this were a premeditated murder, and these minors were just hired hands, their statements would be as valuable in court as any adults'. Corroborating evidence would just be what is needed to pin down whoever is/are indeed responsible.

Precy, we are behind you in your bid to expose the truth. Justice for Martin is justice for all.

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« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2009, 09:17:51 AM »
Is it greed, hate or jealousy? that this guy must die? The truth is that foreigners have no rights here. They can`t owned properties without marriage, they have to pay for their stay even though they`re married.
A Filipino citizen could build the biggest house in Germany or make the biggest business in town, they could stay lifetime without paying a single cent.They get all the rights, what the foreigners don`t have here in the Philippines.Is it not unfair? I know what Iam talking about .

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« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2009, 09:34:27 AM »
I know  The people who commited this awfull crime will be reading these quotes, I hope you can sleep at night knowing we will get you. justice will be done.


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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2009, 10:14:37 AM »
Suspects in Williams' Murder Arrested
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In its manhunt operations police arrested on Thursday two youngsters involved in the brutal killing of British national Martin Williams (aka Martin Hawthorne) who was found dead Tuesday morning in Boloc-boloc Spring, barangay Mansasa, this city.

The City Police confirmed they arrested one Christian Gulle, 22 years old, and his female teenage companion, 19-year old Irene Borja, both residents of barangay Mansasa.

Operatives found an identification card of Gulle at the crime scene which gave them a lead to arrest the male assailant who was at his parents’ house Thursday morning. Investigators said Gulle admitted to stabbing Williams 14 times after the victim allegedly tried to rape and hurt his teenage companion.

Gulle confessed that he met Williams Monday night at Bojol Grill where both shared food and drinks.

Later that night, at around 10 p.m., Williams purportedly invited Gulle and Borja to continue their drinking spree at Boloc-boloc Spring, just about a hundred meters from the Bohol Mangrove KTV Bar and Lodging house where the British man was checked in.

According to Gulle, he was a few meters away from Williams and Borja whom he believed to have been bathing at the spring when he heard the latter shout. Upon rushing to the scene, Gulle said he saw Borja lying on the ground and in pain. He said he tried to help the girl get up but Williams allegedly started shouting at him which he could not understand.

Gulle admitted “things happened so fast” and when he took his knife to stab Williams several times, he did not stop as he was scared that the heavily-built foreigner would get back at him.

Gulle provided policemen the identity of his alleged cohort (Borja) who sought refuge in the house of a brother-in-law in a remote barangay in Sierra Bullones.

She was arrested by elements of the Sierra Bullones Police Thursday afternoon and was later turned over to the Tagbilaran Police who launched a full investigation regarding the suspect.

Williams, 43, had been wearing just sandals, shorts and t-shirts and was dead for several hours when his body was discovered, according to Dr. John Paul Bernaldez of the city health office.

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« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2009, 10:37:37 AM »

i don't think this is true and fair. i live here in a foreign country too and work my ass off just as hard as anyone who tries to make a living in a strange land. everyone who legally lives in a foreign country, Filipino or not, is paying their dues to the government where they live, whether they are making a house or establishing a business.

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