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« Reply #280 on: April 21, 2009, 04:54:10 AM »
Every trick in the books coming out now, Your english has got good, is that your english husband talking aswel now ? Martin never touched his wife  - fact. But after everything else you have accused him of , its just another lie to add to the rest of your alligations, i mean your trying to justify his murder, does that make you feel better ? Dont think for one minute anyone reading your crap believes it, even an outsider to this would never agree that anyone deseves to die this way. Have some respect.


yes jfm it also seems to me that some ppl are trying to justify what happened to martin! i also was a friend of martins and never witnessed any hint of these accusations  and find any of it hard to believe. i also have to ask if he was that bad why did margie marry him?? she certainly had stories to tell before they married (supposedly he had hit her before they married) this tells me that she had married for other reasons than love! why else can i say? pathetic springs to mind......

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« Reply #281 on: April 21, 2009, 05:29:06 AM »
Most of you here are standing in different side of the fence, so to speak.  We don't know who is telling the truth and who is just biased because you are friend of either Mr. Williams or Mrs. Williams.  So just keep your cool.  Mr. Williams is dead but surely he has loyal friends to defend him.  Mrs. Williams is alive and she too can defend herself, or her friends can defend her.  But there are unwilling victims in all the midst of this chaos: their child or the other children of Mr. Williams.  Let us be mindful of the feelings of these children. 

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« Reply #282 on: April 21, 2009, 05:31:09 AM »
As somebody who has followed this board with interest I now feel obliged to contribute.

I have close friends who were also close to Martin, and as such, I have known these events as they have unfolded, from when Martin decided to leave for the Philippines up to the present time.

In order of occurrence:
Martin moved to start his fantastic new life in the Philippines
Martin established his house and business, at this point he was still optimistic and enjoying life
Next thing we heard was Martin was experiencing marital difficulties and going through separation
Friends visited Martin, again optimistic about seeing Martin and experiencing the beauty of the Phillipines, however they returned shell shocked and very concerned about Martin's safety having been fired at by a gunman whilst sitting in a bar with Martin.
Friends in England discussed concerns over Martin's welfare and expressed that he should return to England, but Martin had invested everything and needed to sort out his financial affairs so that he could return home.
Martin was prevented from returning home by the sudden unprecedented allegations of rape made against him, it was the impression of his friends at this time that these allegations were made with the specific intent of preventing Martin returning home.
At this point, Martin's friends in England were aware, as was Martin, that this was a very serious situation and Martin was in imminent danger.
Then literally within weeks came the horrific, shocking news of Martin's murder.

I have catalogued these events as they have unfolded, I have known them as they have unfolded, and cannot describe the shock and anger I felt as I heard the news of how he had died. My first reaction was "he should have come home".

This needs investigating thoroughly, especially considering Martin KNEW his life was in danger and BELIEVED that the danger was from those that would benefit financially from his death.

What I find absolutely unacceptable, disgusting and dispicable is that even though he has died in such a horrific way (to imagine his terror in his last moments is unbearable) that people here feel it acceptable to attempt to discredit his memory and portray him as a wife beater and a rapist. I find this disgusting and very disrespectful, inconsiderate and unnacceptabley hurtful to Martin's family. I think anyone, no matter how they may have personal conflicts, deserves respect after their death. On the other hand I believe that anyone who can stoop so low to disrespect a murder victim and his family in such an atrocious way must have ulterior motives for doing so.

Rest in Peace Martin, people who knew you (and even some who didn't) know the truth.





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« Reply #283 on: April 21, 2009, 05:31:26 AM »
Welcome Nat, You only need to read the bad things being said, and its so obvious who it is. The thing is they are not very clever , they constantly contradict themselves and say things that only a guilty person or guilty persons family would say, to try and get themselves out of organising such an awful crime. They are just digging themselves into a bigger hole, so let them carry on and become a laughing stock .(The worm will keep on wriggling)

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« Reply #284 on: April 21, 2009, 05:58:23 AM »
welcome rosie and thanks for your contribution and thoughts well said

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« Reply #285 on: April 21, 2009, 06:04:39 AM »
Hey rachael, i was just writing the exact same as you. Yes welcome Rosie, you speak for a big majority of readers, well said.












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« Reply #286 on: April 21, 2009, 10:49:01 AM »
I will be back from Hong Kong in a week to compleat my sale of investment ,as I want no further involvment in a place where you cannot get justice and such a corrupt police force ,that does not look at the reel suspect I will shortly list a blog of FACTS NOT FICTION as chona does,I am just awaiting the report from a P.I. we had on the case.
The 20,000-00peso reward is still valid and now I will increase that 10,000-00 peso to have the master mind named and procercuted,But we allready Know who this is ,My P.I.has came up with some intresting facts of information

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« Reply #287 on: April 21, 2009, 10:59:43 AM »
I will be back from Hong Kong in a week to compleat my sale of investment ,as I want no further involvment in a place where you cannot get justice and such a corrupt police force ,that does not look at the reel suspect I will shortly list a blog of FACTS NOT FICTION as chona does,I am just awaiting the report from a P.I. we had on the case.
The 20,000-00peso reward is still valid and now I will increase that 10,000-00 peso to have the master mind named and procercuted,But we allready Know who this is ,My P.I.has came up with some intresting facts of information

we'll see how interesting your facts will be about the case.

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« Reply #288 on: April 21, 2009, 11:15:08 AM »
we'll see how interesting your facts will be about the case.

with or without your investment, Bohol will remain strong.

I hear you, glace! 

There are still people who are willing to invest in Bohol, who have no biases of this case. I think, no matter how true the result of the investigation is - i meant the official investigation, there are just people who had long made up their conclusion of this case. 

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« Reply #289 on: April 21, 2009, 11:27:48 AM »
I hear you, glace! 

There are still people who are willing to invest in Bohol, who have no biases of this case. I think, no matter how true the result of the investigation is - i meant the official investigation, there are just people who had long made up their conclusion of this case. 

that's true.
and these people need to be reminded that our province has gone this far not by a single mouth of a promising stranger but by the resilience of our ancestors

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« Reply #290 on: April 21, 2009, 02:13:20 PM »
Ondoy Glace lawom ra pagka ingles, nakasabot ba kaha ang  uban?

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« Reply #291 on: April 21, 2009, 02:30:34 PM »
kadaghanan sa mga nangbisita sa Bohol karon mga local man dili man tagalaing lugar. Kahilas ba ining mga tawhana manulti. Kon wala mo maka angay diha sa Bohol, hala panguli mos inyo.

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« Reply #292 on: April 21, 2009, 02:34:02 PM »
Saksto ka Ondoy, morag ila ning Bohol boot huna-hunaon, ang locals wala ma-asenso. Hagbay ra ning gipauli ni Simplylee.

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« Reply #293 on: April 21, 2009, 02:38:28 PM »
Pestihon mani sila nako karon ba. Wala pa siguro ni sila katilaw ug balikas nga binol -anon. Murang y*&^% ug kinsang haria diha sa Bohol.

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« Reply #294 on: April 21, 2009, 02:41:43 PM »
crusaderfreedom et al.

We haven't met you, you won't cause a rustle in the air if you go.

It's that very arrogance that get you people in trouble, so you're good riddance in Bohol. There is such a thing as high-risk place and a high-risk lifestyle. Where I presently am in Japan, a very low-risk place, foreigners, among whom are two Britons, also got murdered within years of each other. Wonder why? High-risk lifestyle in a low-risk place.

I don't know anybody personally in this incident. I can only tell from what you write. If your idea of justice is convicting someone of murder even before you have an iota of evidence, you can vanish into thin air.

If your idea of investment is thinking you can buy even a person's dignity with your pound, burn it elsewhere.

For Martin's death to make sense, it should be a wake-up call to those who think they could treat their wives and local women shabbily, fool around with minors, put up a dignified face among friends but deal with shady characters in the dark, or otherwise live so liberated a lifestyle that would shame even their friends back home and in wanton disregard of local culture and sensibilities.

Boholanos can't be responsible for your lack of common sense. Even if I am a Boholano, I wouldn't keep company of the people Martin was last seen with.

Having said that, none of the above justifies Martin's gruesome murder. But let's just keep in mind that even in the safest of places in the world, we can invite trouble by our own lifestyles.


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« Reply #295 on: April 21, 2009, 02:44:58 PM »
You hit the point Sir! Thanks for posting.

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« Reply #296 on: April 21, 2009, 02:50:35 PM »
Pasayloa ko ninyo mga kaigsuonan kong mga Bol-anon sa akong mga nasulti.Ilabi pa ni Mike. Apan kining mga tawhana murag sobra ra manulti ug modaug daug sa atong mga kaigsuonan nga atua sa Bohol. Nakaminus ni sila nato.

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« Reply #297 on: April 21, 2009, 02:51:46 PM »
May-lain pa. Have a nice day folks! ;D

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« Reply #298 on: April 21, 2009, 03:01:42 PM »
We don't need this small time investor or Beer House is not a form of business that generate  employment  but exploiter of our ladies. Bring chaos to family relationship and attract prostitution. We don't need this kind of people, who belittle us and acting like they own the world. They think we don't have justice system in the country. Beside the corrupt Mayor and his police officers. Who harassed them in their establishment. Without this foreigner our Province will be peaceful. Tourist is nothing to do with our economy. Its the Boholanos who work abroad and sent part of our income to our relatives.

What we need that, Boholanos will invest in our shores.  We got so many Boholano millionaire outside our Province who can provide better investment opportunity and keep our province peaceful.

Just come home every year as local tourist and build livelihood to fellow Boholanos. Help children to pursue higher education. Adapt a Boholano child as working student to pursue college education.

Many Children finished their studies thru working in the house. My Aunt has five student who finished Teacher as working student.

Lets do it, don't beg to foreigner for investment, in the long run we will see that Boholanos are peaceful people. Just enjoy Bohol in our twilight years.

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« Reply #299 on: April 21, 2009, 03:13:26 PM »
We don't need this small time investor or Beer House is not a form of business that generate  employment  but exploiter of our ladies. Bring chaos to family relationship and attract prostitution. We don't need this kind of people, who belittle us and acting like they own the world. They think we don't have justice system in the country. Beside the corrupt Mayor and his police officers. Who harassed them in their establishment. Without this foreigner our Province will be peaceful. Tourist is nothing to do with our economy. Its the Boholanos who work abroad and sent part of our income to our relatives.

What we need that, Boholanos will invest in our shores.  We got so many Boholano millionaire outside our Province who can provide better investment opportunity and keep our province peaceful.

Just come home every year as local tourist and build livelihood to fellow Boholanos. Help children to pursue higher education. Adapt a Boholano child as working student to pursue college education.

Many Children finished their studies thru working in the house. My Aunt has five student who finished Teacher as working student.

Lets do it, don't beg to foreigner for investment, in the long run we will see that Boholanos are peaceful people. Just enjoy Bohol in our twilight years.

Peace to ALL.

I agree with you, Rald. We don't need red-light districts run by foreigners in Bohol. They are only magnets to crimes. We need real employment-generating investments, not beerhouses run by bigshots who think their pounds and dollars are enough for us to put up or shut up.



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« Reply #301 on: April 21, 2009, 03:25:21 PM »
Mr. Rald,

I highly salute your response, sir.

Boholanos are an industrious, educated, motivated, and optimistic people. For all foreigners to flaunt that they will leave their investments and halt planned investments in Bohol because of this case, I think it is very rude to make such a statement.

There are thousands of Boholanos that are employed, enjoy a well round lifestyle in Bohol, and thousands more around the globe that bring back remittances to their family.

Boholanos over here in the United States of America are highly respected professionals: Nurses, Doctors, Engineers, Teachers!

Please don't offend us by showcasing peso rewards and threatening remarks, because do you think we are that lowly to grobble for scraps? I am a Filipino-American, Philippine-born, but grew up here in the states.

And for one who has worked and competed and collaborated with many Americans (be they black, latin, asian or white American); equality and common decency is goaled. There are thousands of homocides in Britain, USA, Canada, Germany, Spain, Japan, China on foreign nationals. Many of whom have been unsolved.

Every nation has its own laws and regulations. When you enter that nation, you are expected to follow their laws, and work with the established office of that country. Same as how Filipinos that immigrate to the UK follow the rules, regs and pay taxes in the UK.

There are over 1.3 Million Boholanos in Bohol. and thousands of more boholanos around the world as professionals, and expats. We are not 'dependent'.

The death of Mr. Martin Williams is deplorable, and he has our condolences, but for anyone to attack Boholanos (women and men) and make gross allegations and generalizations is preposterous.

Let us be open minded and reasonable.


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« Reply #302 on: April 21, 2009, 03:54:34 PM »
I have been away for some time trying to relax and recooperate. I can see this blog topic has now gained interest from many.

That's great! I am happy to see both sides communicating with one another.
 things being said in her are the soul rights of everyone, even though we all may not agree.

Glaceir...How the heck are you buddy you mentioned in a reply maybe a page or two before this that I and JFM had basically convicted the wife?


That's not my intent I have plenty of questions to ask and that I want to know and to get some kind of other side of what is really going on?

What would you call a boholano community that I have spent time unwinding worreid that Martin was some sort of serial rapest?

Glaceir I can see thet you love your country and your people I do also.
But the community was beleiving in the things that the wife was trying to push on the them by use of the media and may i add the world wide media and the authorities here. She was bringing women into the police station the week that her husband was found murdered to say that they were allegedly had been raped by him!? why in god sake would she do that and try to continue having her husband convicted by the community and authoriteis here? when he has never been what she was making him out to be?
Glaceir71 yes we do have the dismissed resolution on that case, Gulle's case, and the allegedly hired hitmans case. So was not the wife and the community convicting the dead as well. I could or would never do such a thing no matter how much i had disliked someone.
As I said i am confussed to all of this I would like to hear positive words from everyone about Martin not as if confessin through God that Martin needed to be killed or that martin was a bad man. What is your point?

Did you love him and did you love him before?

Then act what you say if you love him you speak well about him but if you are spitefull then you would bring up the bad things!

For me that is bizzare for a wife who should be mourning instead. Then whats more bizzare is the court scene from last week the tears, the saying how you had missed him and that she was seperated in December from her husband it is just so contradicting on her part.

This is not normal behavior for such a case as this.

My big question is she said she loves her husband,  and when martin started having all the attempted assinations against him where was she?

It is expected and normal for a Filipina wife to go to the media and ask for help as to who is the one out to get her husband?
Despite the hard feelings as a loved one it is normal to help them so that they are safe from harm.

News articles on Martin's cases were were printed in both TBS and the Bohol chronicle last Sunday. (court affidavit style.)

By the end of this week it will have gone to the national newspaper's. It is the request by the family of Martin and the authorities in England from what I was told.

I have taken time off from writing for almost a month now including my column last month titled "In Memory of Martin Williams, when that column was read I had received an anynomous text message that my column was a BITCH! I am mourning about the cruel murder of my freind who was always telling us and showing us text messages with threats. He was right all along that some one was out to murder him? Question..

Was he not murdered?


I am sad as his freind I knew him before he had come to me for help as he knew I am in the media and I am frank to the point and hard hitting.


In fact Martin told me in the phone call early last januarary that he had heard I was a a good writer he he he! Yea' good but with sloppy grammar!

We giggled about that. I thought wow what kind of a story is this? this is something hard to do because people here are sensitive to things that happen like this around here.

My freinds here are super sweet and super supportive of me I would not want it any other way.

How do you think I felt when a media colleauge had called me with the early morning find to tell me my freinds worst nightmare had come true.

The scene that Atty. lim and I had seen at the morgue was grabi no words can describe my feelings now.

I am happy that the community is seeing the light now. I just received a phone call from a canadian who had read the newspaper he told me why that guy? He was a regular guy.
He found the news very alarming and indeed it is.

This kind of crimes happen often all over thhe world, and in order to get justice for someone you like or love you must put up a fight for what is right.


I had the pictures developed from the morgue as I stood there watching Atty. lim scrutinize every stab wound on his body. The gash in his head from being hit.

I gave them to Atty. Lim as i could not handle seeing his body like that. Mike our administrator and Lim were saying as they looked at the pictures that it just way too much to bear!



Just analyze things going on in your head. For me I am hobug with everything going on.

All I know about his wife is that he told me he really loved here when they first came here and he was honest in saying that they were having problems.
That's part of being a couple.








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« Reply #303 on: April 21, 2009, 04:03:17 PM »
Lets just hope and pray that final justice is guaranteed.

For all of you who are affected by this case, and feel that your pains and anguish knows no bounds.

Please, all you have to do is PRAY!!
Release your pain, anguish, and restlessness to Jesus!
Surely if there is no judgement in Earth,
there is final and righteous judgment in HEAVEN!

To which no one can hide, lie, or strive away from.
GUARANTEE you that.


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« Reply #304 on: April 21, 2009, 04:45:42 PM »
If you have been following the case of Ted Failon, the lesson we learn from non-natural deaths is that the spouse is always a suspect.

But even as the investigation is still in progress, the more significant lesson we learn is the importance of forensic evidence.

Motive is only secondary. Of course, everybody can testify that Ted has been loving to his wife and wouldn't lift a finger on her. But a person can change when faced with an unexpected situation (discovery of financial problem) or in a moment of insanity. In the same way, Martin's wife may be full of murderous intent because of lingering marital problems. But motive is all in the mind until you actually get your hand in the blood.

Therefore, motive cannot be the basis for establishing the guilt of a person, unless you have something to show for it. Only forensic evidence can tell who really pulled the trigger or sank the knife on the victim.

Was Gulle a hired gun? Were there other accomplices? Your guess is just as good as mine.

You can't force me to conclude one way or the other unless you have the evidence. In the same way, you can't ram your own conclusions down the judge's throat unless you prove your assertion.

It is terrible if a dead man's real killer is never convicted. But it is even more terrible if you convict the wrong person.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #305 on: April 21, 2009, 08:15:08 PM »
Chona, id like to bring up what you said on page 37 your quote is

- maybe god said martin you are hurting too much people now its time to get you now, so i think he deserve his death.-

What god would say that,? ? do you worship the devil ? ?

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« Reply #306 on: April 21, 2009, 08:32:37 PM »
Pasayloa ko ninyo mga kaigsuonan kong mga Bol-anon sa akong mga nasulti.Ilabi pa ni Mike. Apan kining mga tawhana murag sobra ra manulti ug modaug daug sa atong mga kaigsuonan nga atua sa Bohol. Nakaminus ni sila nato.

way problema nako ning imong kalagot nila, sir lind. hala, rakrak ta ani...bahalag mga MUNGI, MUNGI na daan. hehehe

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #307 on: April 22, 2009, 01:44:01 AM »
I have been observing this site for some time and felt i had to comment. This whole thing is making me very angry about the way the police deal with such a horrible crime do they not have any compassion for the people that Martin knew and had in his life. I know Martin as he was friends with my mum although Martin and i didnt get on in the end, i know was never a violant person he was decent towards woman when he had his limosine company he would make sure the women got into there house safley before driving off, margie just sounds like she is a money grabbing pathetic excuse of a woman. Yes harsh but i wouldnt be so harsh if i hadnt heard the way she has delt with this whole thing it is clear as daylight that she had him murdered and it makes me sick that she is getting away with it. If thats not the case and she didnt have him murdered then why doesnt she give up what he owned to his family let them have the money and not herself to prove there was nothing in it for her to have him killed. If Martin was so bad to you and that is your reason for what you have done then you are a million times worse than him and you are a sick woman, i hope you get what you deserve as i beleive in karma!

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« Reply #308 on: April 22, 2009, 06:15:31 AM »
I like sian have been reading this site and i totaly agree with all she says,i knew martin,he was a very good friend, i am female and i only was ever a good friend, he never tried anything on because he knew i had a boyfriend and he always respected people. he was kind and thoughtful and was only ever out to enjoy his life and have fun.

KARMA - A deliberate good,bad or EVIL action leads a persons destiny in the appropriate direction and intended acts inevitably entail consequences.

I believe in karma too.

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« Reply #309 on: April 22, 2009, 06:19:55 AM »
thank you kay and sian its nice to know that he had lots of friends and i totally agree with all you say ....
welcome to this chat :)

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« Reply #310 on: April 22, 2009, 09:58:37 AM »
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Glaceir I can see thet you love your country and your people I do also.
But the community was beleiving in the things that the wife was trying to push on the them by use of the media and may i add the world wide media and the authorities here. She was bringing women into the police station the week that her husband was found murdered to say that they were allegedly had been raped by him!? why in god sake would she do that and try to continue having her husband convicted by the community and authoriteis here? when he has never been what she was making him out to be?
Glaceir71 yes we do have the dismissed resolution on that case, Gulle's case, and the allegedly hired hitmans case. So was not the wife and the community convicting the dead as well. I could or would never do such a thing no matter how much i had disliked someone.
As I said i am confussed to all of this I would like to hear positive words from everyone about Martin not as if confessin through God that Martin needed to be killed or that martin was a bad man. What is your point?

Did you love him and did you love him before?

Then act what you say if you love him you speak well about him but if you are spitefull then you would bring up the bad things!

For me that is bizzare for a wife who should be mourning instead. Then whats more bizzare is the court scene from last week the tears, the saying how you had missed him and that she was seperated in December from her husband it is just so contradicting on her part.

This is not normal behavior for such a case as this.

My big question is she said she loves her husband,  and when martin started having all the attempted assinations against him where was she?

It is expected and normal for a Filipina wife to go to the media and ask for help as to who is the one out to get her husband?
Despite the hard feelings as a loved one it is normal to help them so that they are safe from harm.

News articles on Martin's cases were were printed in both TBS and the Bohol chronicle last Sunday. (court affidavit style.)

I have taken time off from writing for almost a month now including my column last month titled "In Memory of Martin Williams, when that column was read I had received an anynomous text message that my column was a BITCH! I am mourning about the cruel murder of my freind who was always telling us and showing us text messages with threats. He was right all along that some one was out to murder him? Question..

Was he not murdered?


I am sad as his freind I knew him before he had come to me for help as he knew I am in the media and I am frank to the point and hard hitting.


In fact Martin told me in the phone call early last januarary that he had heard I was a a good writer he he he! Yea' good but with sloppy grammar!

We giggled about that. I thought wow what kind of a story is this? this is something hard to do because people here are sensitive to things that happen like this around here.

My freinds here are super sweet and super supportive of me I would not want it any other way.


I am happy that the community is seeing the light now. I just received a phone call from a canadian who had read the newspaper he told me why that guy? He was a regular guy.
He found the news very alarming and indeed it is.

This kind of crimes happen often all over thhe world, and in order to get justice for someone you like or love you must put up a fight for what is right.


I had the pictures developed from the morgue as I stood there watching Atty. lim scrutinize every stab wound on his body. The gash in his head from being hit.


Just analyze things going on in your head. For me I am hobug with everything going on.

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in many respects, we all are grieving.

in your case, being a friend..a close friend at that, it is very understandable

in the case of the wife, i guess, she has felt that too, being with martin for a time. i still believe most boholanos have good conscience. no one can tell the state of the soul of anyone involved here. even to murderers.

and in our case, those who don't know the victim and the suspects, we are grieving as well because the killing has destroyed the trust and mutual respect between the boholano community and the foreigners.  other than that, we're grieving too because it has tarnished the reputation of our province, both local and abroad, AND because some people irresponsibly portray our province as if it were a ghetto of panhandlers begging for their so-called "investments", which in fact we're NOT.

someone's anymous text about your column should be your wake-up call regarding perhaps how the case is being treated and discussed in the media, even if your action is done in memory of the victim. if one is looking for sympathy, this is not gained by endless praises to the dead alone but also by preventing prejudices and being careful to the sensibilities of the public, especially when the murder happened with open speculations as to the reason why. if you think your money (with your thousands of pesos for reward) can solve the case, it may, but it cannot win support and hospitable gestures,which we, boholanos, are famous of. humility can; prayer can; respect can. we may be poor but we're not stupid. fanning your money  right on our faces doesn't really make any air of relief; it's just adding insult to injury. we have our values as boholanos. if this world likes money, it's persons we love. we will be all right behind you if you ask our allegiance if your faith in our system and values is sincere despite its flaws; but if not, this crusade of yours will be a lonesome journey. but this is where we TB boholanos can assure you: WE PRAY FOR MARTIN and his FAMILY and FRIENDS.

in my humble opinion, let me share you this thing: it would be better if you refrain from repeating all these "infos and grumblings" you keep posting like the ones here, over and over. the more you say similar words, the more you make his case a matter of derision for some and irritating for others. make this a prayerful atmospere instead, not  a marketplace for throwing garbage, when no one is yet absolutely sure as to the guilty. reflect on the sadness of death of your friend. on friendship. on loss and separation. on anything spritual. that would be the best way to remember Martin. any sorts of "revenge" in words or in deed do not make us victors in the end but only monsters, which don't make us look any more different than perpetrators of the murder.

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« Reply #311 on: April 22, 2009, 12:39:47 PM »
in many respects, we all are grieving.

in your case, being a friend..a close friend at that, it is very understandable

in the case of the wife, i guess, she has felt that too, being with martin for a time. i still believe most boholanos have good conscience. no one can tell the state of the soul of anyone involved here. even to murderers.

and in our case, those who don't know the victim and the suspects, we are grieving as well because the killing has destroyed the trust and mutual respect between the boholano community and the foreigners.  other than that, we're grieving too because it has tarnished the reputation of our province, both local and abroad, AND because some people irresponsibly portray our province as if it were a ghetto of panhandlers begging for their so-called "investments", when in fact we're NOT.

someone's anymous text about your column should be your wake-up call regarding perhaps how the case is being treated and discussed in the media, even if your action is done in memory of the victim. if one is looking for sympathy, this is not gained by endless praises to the dead alone but also by preventing prejudices and being careful to the sensibilities of the public, especially when the murder happened with open speculations as to the reason why. if you think your money (with your thousands of pesos for reward) can solve the case, it may, but it cannot win support and hospitable gestures,which we, boholanos, are famous of. humility can; prayer can; respect can. we may be poor but we're not stupid. if this world likes money, it's persons we love. we will be all right behind you if you ask our allegiance if your faith in our system and values is sincere despite its flaws; but if not, this crusade of yours will be a lonesome journey. but this is where we TB boholanos can assure you: WE PRAY FOR MARTIN and his FAMILY and FRIENDS.

in my humble opinion, let me share you this thing: it would be better if you refrain from repeating all these "infos and grumblings" you keep posting like the ones here, over and over. the more you say similar words, the more you make his case a matter of derision for some and irritating for others. make this a prayerful atmospere instead, not  a marketplace for throwing garbage, when no one is yet absolutely sure as to the guilty. reflect on the sadness of death of your friend. on friendship. on loss and separation. on anything spritual. that would be the best way to remember Martin. any sorts of "revenge" in words or in deed do not make us victors in the end but only monsters, which don't make us look any more different than perpetrators of the murder.

Amen.

Jesus may have sounded cold and indifferent when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead" in response to a man who wanted to go back to bury his father before he gets on with his own spiritual journey.

Jesus was only telling that there is more urgency for the living to get on with living right and living in the light, than for us to be consumed by the deathly affairs of the dead, in this instance even imputing malice on people who have not been proven guilty and making wholesale accusations against the residents, the court and the police and just about everybody else.

Prayers do count, so I'm saying mine as well for the quick resolution of this case and for everybody's peace. Meanwhile, let's continue to share love, good will and neighborly peace.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #312 on: April 22, 2009, 01:13:02 PM »
Is rhis the  agression of British for the upcoming Paquio VS Hatton Match coming up in Las vegas this May 2?

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« Reply #313 on: April 22, 2009, 01:17:04 PM »
Is rhis the  agression of British for the upcoming Paquio VS Hatton Match coming up in Las vegas this May 2?

We, Filipinos, are not like that. If we were, we should have drowned a handful of Mexicans in tequila by now.

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« Reply #314 on: April 22, 2009, 01:23:11 PM »
ha ha ha ha! now that's good!


Come on people let's laf for a litttle bit is there not a saying we are all familiar with?

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« Reply #315 on: April 22, 2009, 01:27:51 PM »
Aggression of British?  I thought you are not British, Precious!  I don't know how else can the eloquent people like Benelynne, Glacier, RaldAmpong, Lorenzo and the others I failed to mention here can explain to you that this has nothing to do with Mr. Martin Williams and that we grieve for his untimely death and we pray for the eternal repose of his soul.  This has something to do with you guys and your attitude about things that's happening. 

This is not aggression.  You asked for what we think about your posts.  This is what we call freedom of speech.  This is what we call freedom to stand up for our rights which have been aggressed by people who thought highly of themselves.  These are the people we call haughty.  Some people had veered the issue already to us being Pinoys or Bol-anons and you guys being "foreigners", to people here who are flaunting their imaginary dollars and pounds and saying that they will invest somewhere else and no way in Bohol - in fact, "imploring" prospective investors to not invest in Bohol because it isn't safe in Bohol and that the case has been so corrupted.  We are not about to cry and plead for your imaginary money.  Go ahead, invest it wherever you want.  Let's see how far your imaginary pounds and dollars can go. 

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #316 on: April 22, 2009, 01:30:59 PM »
 hi im martin and margies frend.i knw the couple much..wen they live in uk martin looks after his wife,he didnt even let his wife works bec he said she will look after here till margie get bored and have some partime job in liverpool.the couple seems no problem at all. martin was so happy and continue loving his wife..the only thing i knew they got prob is through mobile fon coz martin doesnt want margie to hold or read his messages and i dnt knw wats martins xplanations on dat..till martin decide to live in phils..they got engaged in opps bar which s located in alona and have there honeymoon in alona as well..so the couple realy love the place..then they decide i think last07 to buy the a lot in panglao..they went back in uk..and mhargie was pregnant..as soon as they get back in uk the couple realy made thier on sketches in their house..u might be surprse i knw this coz i olways visit je and martin in their house in birkenhead in martins apartment,i even meet steve once coz he drive martin fire engine,and his nice with je,so stop accusing je.anyway the couple was so happy continuing their mariage life till martin went in the phil by his own.he left je in their new rented house in heswall coz shes nearly due,je also said to martin that she trust him to go by his own.and  also so that the house would be built in good,at first martin was so exicited to fon je in uk and talk evrything he did in he phils.then martin went back in uk coz je will going to gave birth..the couple seems no problem afer the baby is 3 weeks old martin went to phil again,je doesnt like it coz she just had baby but martin have plenty of excuses he said his going to do this and do that.margie told me that she can sense martin is doing something..thats all i knew i dont knw wat happen next.i meet margie in the bus going to liverpool and i visit her during my day off..margie is so nice an honest person.she always told me she loves martin too bits.and i knw martin loves his wife..so please stop blaming margie nor accuse her as well as martin. i knw margies is genna be so sad esp wen her daughter is a replica of her husband...let my frend martin rest in peace..and please please people stop it or u may have ur KARMA coming!!!!!!!

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« Reply #317 on: April 22, 2009, 01:33:55 PM »
and to u miss precilla why dont u talk to margie before u put things in the blog..i think u never evr meet margie ryht?talk to her..shes a sensible lady..u myht change ur tune wen u meet her

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« Reply #318 on: April 22, 2009, 01:41:13 PM »
and to u steve stop accusing margie..u were so nice to her..knw the truth first before u accuse people..u said u visit martin in phil why u didnt even advise him to get back his wife and daughter???and if ur really a good frend can i ask u?did u even see martin for the last time in the funeral?dnt tell me u cant spend £600 for flight?ur martins bestfrend right?all u do is putting blog against je her instead of helping her to have decent burial,je evn txt u but u dnt bother...im realy sory to say this but i dont like the way u put ur words..its so nasty to a human being....god bless u steve!


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« Reply #319 on: April 22, 2009, 03:22:15 PM »
Murders and killings are  within our midst. Crime rate in Tagbbilaran is still very very
low compared to other cities in the country.



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