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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #160 on: April 06, 2009, 05:18:06 pm »
Most and I have seen this happen here several times (Pooor gullable foreign men falling into sexxual devious traps) that the woman here hang on his arms wears sexxy clothes and dines together with the foreigner victim to be and after he beds her and decides not to Wed her she creis rape.

Dear Prescilla ,

Please take a look at this perspective, European foreigners are eager to marry an asian, not only Filipinas because they are willing to be a housewife; that means keeping the house, caring for the husband and children upbringing. They still uphold the family values which is the traditional institution. If a child comes it is called a blessing.
For the European women, child bearing should be talked about especially if she is career oriented. Who takes the household chores, they will for sure make a compromise. This is a very organized society and all the daily chores are well scheduled.
The word pimping is hurtful, yes there parents who considers their children as some sort of investments.
A Filipina/Filipino will support a family left at home by working extra not depending on her husband´s earnings. This is really true to avoid conflict and quarrel in the family especially Germans are tihik.
We have an extended family ties and we are proud of it. You will never realize how important it is for us since you earn and live for your own sake only. This makes the world lonesome.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #162 on: April 06, 2009, 08:36:12 pm »
Hapit na pohon Inday Lee, mag sigi kita ug EB. ;D

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« Reply #163 on: April 06, 2009, 08:38:54 pm »
Manay Tess kanang sige reklamo bahin sa atoa paulia na sila sa ila aron adto magsige banha :)

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« Reply #164 on: April 06, 2009, 08:43:24 pm »
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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #165 on: April 06, 2009, 09:10:25 pm »
panguli na lang mo

Bitaw Manang Lee uy! Makapuol basag bagutbot, ug musulti kag kalma ug gamit rason, layo ra kaayo ang lagpot sa tubag.
 

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« Reply #166 on: April 06, 2009, 09:46:20 pm »
Utong na lang ko hangtod malagom. ;D

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« Reply #167 on: April 06, 2009, 10:43:10 pm »
Can anyone translate the above 6 comments ? Thankyou.

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« Reply #168 on: April 07, 2009, 12:47:39 am »
Bitaw Manang Lee uy! Makapuol basag bagutbot, ug musulti kag kalma ug gamit rason, layo ra kaayo ang lagpot sa tubag.
 

hagbayan ra na siya naku gi hinginlan. sa una pa, sir benne.

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« Reply #169 on: April 07, 2009, 01:46:40 am »

After the Nicole incident no woman here who screams rape will get my sympathy.

                       


what if it's your daughter?


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« Reply #170 on: April 07, 2009, 03:45:27 am »
If it was my daughter I would want to have her be examined and tell the truth and make sure she knew the consequences in telling a story and that she had rights and to stay to her facts.



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« Reply #171 on: April 07, 2009, 03:49:19 am »
what if it's your daughter?

surely any mum would know the truth if something had really happened to her daughter if she was telling the truth !! Any mum would know if her daughter was lying which  is the case in this .... and no matter what sort of person you are if you are a human with a heart you wouldnt cover for anyone daughter or not .

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #172 on: April 07, 2009, 04:18:19 am »
When I asked about the minor alleged accomplices DNA her couselor Butchie Zamora who is an officer of the court told me the the victim did not request DNA to be taken from the remains of Martin or from the girl who allegedly claims that she was raped.

That girl is 17 not 19 as stated by her Atty.





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« Reply #173 on: April 07, 2009, 04:58:34 am »
When I asked about the minor alleged accomplices DNA her couselor Butchie Zamora who is an officer of the court told me the the victim did not request DNA to be taken from the remains of Martin or from the girl who allegedly claims that she was raped.

That girl is 17 not 19 as stated by her Atty.


well i am sorry but this says it all , what female would let this happen , mum or daughter you would fight every court and legal sysytem in the land to prove that this alleged rape had happened obviously this is not the case here , there is obviously no truth in these allegations





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« Reply #174 on: April 07, 2009, 05:05:19 am »
What will it take to make the arrested talk and tell the truth about the real people behind Martins murder ? Is it money ? What was the price they got paid ? What if someone was to double there money ? Would these people then talk ? Just a thought.

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« Reply #175 on: April 07, 2009, 07:43:18 am »
To Friends of Martin,

If you think you have a case to prove, go after it. Go ahead, use your money to go after the real culprit, instead of trying to dazzle us with your investment plans which you threaten to abort, or hurling accusations against Boholanos making a wholesale conspiracy to palm off a dead man we don't even know from Adam, or making off-tangent remarks about our women and minors having no right to cry foul because they have been paid for.

Why don't we have a truce here, and let your reporter friend do her investigative work to prove that the culprit now in custody is hired by your suspect.

Tell you what, here in Japan where the police are known for their efficiency and technology-aided investigation, they are still trying to run after the killer of British Lindsay Ann Hawker, whose body was found decomposing on the porch of the suspect Tetsuya Ichihashi some two years ago.

Earlier in 2000, another celebrated case was the murder by mutilation of another British hostess Lucy Blackman. Despite eyewitness accounts that Japanese playboy-millionaire Joji Obara was the last person she was with and Obara's conviction in similar earlier murder cases, Obara was eventually acquitted for insufficient evidence.

Japan is vaunted to be in the top 5 most peaceful and safest nations in the world. Its police force is also acclaimed as one of the most disciplined and most admired in the world. But two heinous crimes were committed under their nose against British nationals just years apart of each other, and remain unsolved until now.

Now, in Martin's case, the Bohol police has the culprit in custody in a week's time. I'll give Bohol PNP credit for this. If there is overwhelming proof that there is more to this than being a spur-of-the-moment crime--perhaps an excessive reaction to an alleged attempted rape of a minor--then bring out the evidence.

Your friend Precy is an investigative reporter with close access to the police, right? You have the hypothesis that this was pre-meditated, this was planned ahead of time, this was a wide conspiracy of Boholanos after Martin's fortune. Then do your work, follow your leads, and deliver your evidences. When you have your proof, we'll all work together to get to the bottom of this crime and claim justice where it's due. 

As it stands now, unless there is overwhelming reason to pursue the case beyond the person now established as the culprit, the police has done its job.

Don't be too over-eager to get justice for the dead and commit injustice against the living by your sweeping generalizations. Bring out your proof first.

After all, the dead was found with his pants down, literally and figuratively.








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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #176 on: April 07, 2009, 11:41:52 am »
It is not fair to judge a filipina woman marrying a foreigner for money or marrying to have a better life. Most foreigners who choose to take a filipina woman for a wife or a girlfriend is also using the woman. Most asian women who marry a foreigner also suffer as they sometimes become the foreigners slave. So a mariage between them can at times be considered as a silent agreement of mutual exploitation.


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« Reply #177 on: April 07, 2009, 02:04:30 pm »
Thanks for this valuable information, mutual exploitation. Why are we fighting for human rights if we use this term?  We are not living in a barbaric world. This form of relationship will not last  long since it oppresses an individual or person and you can not suppress a negative attitude for quite sometime, either adunay mag amok or ma-tralala. ;D

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« Reply #178 on: April 08, 2009, 02:38:46 am »
Anything posted in here further regarding Martin's case must be factual information. (Documented).



No evidence has been pinned on or linked to Martin's widow. They have only seen it from the captured alleged suspects side.

Anything happening prior to Martin in the past was not considered as the alleged murder suspect is already in custody.

Investigation is still on going.

The alleged Murder suspect is already awaiting a court hearing at Cabawan prison located in Tagbilaran City.

I have some news that is good about Martin I will release it by this weekend.

It was something Martin would of been very happy about as he had known it all along that he was innocent.

I will contact first the family or see if they have already been notifeid of the news.

Before posting it in here.

Stay Tuned.









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« Reply #179 on: April 08, 2009, 03:15:57 am »
Thanks Prescilla, I highly anticipate your next posting, take care and Happy Easter!

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« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2009, 10:52:42 pm »
:-)))))

Thanks for this valuable information, mutual exploitation. Why are we fighting for human rights if we use this term?  We are not living in a barbaric world. This form of relationship will not last  long since it oppresses an individual or person and you can not suppress a negative attitude for quite sometime, either adunay mag amok or ma-tralala. ;D

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« Reply #181 on: April 09, 2009, 05:48:14 am »
Wed ,around 1600 hrs i had taken one power of atty to give to the Tagbilaran City police Station.

The power of the Atty. was signed by martins parents and brother in England and sent to the Atty. of Martin to exume his remains out of Vicotoria memorial Garden cemetary.

SPO4 Silvan Palacio had handed me back the power of Atty. and looked at it and would not follow the parents and the Families request to send the sons cremated remains to England.
He told me Martin's widow wants to take the matter up in court.

The investigator told me that he is relying on words of the widow of Martin, Gulle's  and the alleged accomplice borja and the alleged rapist Gulle.

I was not in any way outl of  line telling SPO4 Palacio that i persopnally find his type of investigation as very biased and to much eager to close the book and way to shallow.

Other imporortant matters to consider is how was the wife towards the husband? How was he to her as well also?
If you recall the couple is documented as seperated.

She is in province of Leyte supposedly living with someone over there.

The house in Panglao should of been sealed by investigationlal tape to keep her out and anyone else.

SPO4 Palacio was also telling me that his wife was wanting his personal property given to her right a way.
In that personal property in the affidavit is one included item of a Samsung Cellular phone and on in that phone contained a sim card shown by Martin to his freinds and I and his Atty. regarding text messages of  threats by a very well known number in his phones contact book.

In my opinion those personal belongings should of been held as evidence but do to the wifes hurreid request to retreive his items it was all returned back to her.

The good news regarding Martin"s case is that he was after all dismissed for allegations of rape due to fabricated  storeis given by the complaintants according to the judges findings.

the Tagbilaran Police have been saying all along that Martin's wife is often at the police station. Even was there to talk with the alleged suspect after he was booked incarcerated at the city jail. (also stated in affidavit of Margie Hawthorn widow of the victim Martin Williams.).


She is related to a policeman here and the former mayor of Dagahoy here Bohol.

During the first week of Martin being found murdererd she had brought several girls in the Tagbilaran police station and claiming that they were all raped by the late Martin Williams.

This was said by PNP member Daraman of the Tagbilaran City police station last Tuesday night April 7, 2009

The Wednesday edition of this weeks newspaper front page news story sais "Other suspects in slaying of British National still at large."


Martin leaves behind his very loving family in England, a daughter by his 25 year old widow Margie Hawthorn several other relatives and 100 million limousines full of good mates /freinds back home in England and in Bohol.

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« Reply #182 on: April 09, 2009, 06:40:40 am »
Hi Pres, thanks for the update.I think it doesn´t matter if their separation is documented, since this kind of law is vague in the Philippines especially the conjugal properties accumulated during their marriage. still qualifies the widow to claim it as her own. That is the bitter truth.

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« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2009, 07:02:47 am »
I am sure the parents will be fighting for they're half since it was all his money put into it while they were marreid.

So it would make it 50/50 also by court of law after being contested.

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« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2009, 07:49:25 am »
i am so deeply upset by this whole thing martin was my friend and i know that it is breaking his familys hearts to not have him home to lay him to rest and say good bye to there son ,brother, dad and uncle ... as well as truley good friend ....i keep waking up thinking it is all a bad dream and then i read more about his case ...i am truley heart broken that i will never see my friend again and feel sick with this thought . rest in peace martin you had more true friends that you could ever imagine and we will forever miss you and my loving thoughts go out to all his family and friends
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« Reply #185 on: April 09, 2009, 02:31:08 pm »
If he did not executed his last will, a document signed by a lawyer, his wife will get the whole bonanza.

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« Reply #186 on: April 09, 2009, 06:32:40 pm »
That is right to an exstent.

They were marreid and together when martin built the home worth over 10 million pesos in panglao.

Martin paid it with his own money as the wife did not work she was 22-23 years old at the time.

So his parents in England can contest for the other half inwhich they are planning to do but at present they want they're son back so that they can greive in the proper way as martin is not a permanent resident here neither is he having a double citizenship that I am aware of?

His passport as well as the baby daughter of they'res is British passport both are the the propert of Great britain and should be returned back since they were seperated and she did file the protection order on him. That's my opinion.










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« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2009, 09:30:38 pm »
You mean the ex-wife has the two passports (Martin´s and daughter)?For the daughter she can keep but for the dead husband it must be surrendered to the British consulate.

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« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2009, 11:29:18 pm »
Thank you Ms. Precious for the update.

This is really very sad incident and it adds  more to the bad Bohol reputation in which makes some tourist to give-up to spend holidays in our own Bohol. I hope for Martin's justice.  Our government must have to protect more our foreign guests, in fact, they also profitied their presence by way of establishing business there, isn't?

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« Reply #189 on: April 10, 2009, 02:21:02 am »
I thought i would put people in the picture with regards to whats happening to martin, His parents wishes was that Martins body was to be cremated and his ashes sent home. His estranged wife arranged his funeral knowing his parents wishes . Last Saturday she planned his burial but his parents were able to stop it, but due to the fact she was still married to him and is his next of kin she was able and managed to get him buried on Tuesday gone. His parents are absolutly devastated by her actions and especailly after she rang them on the day she buried him and demanded £3700 for something they never wanted her to do. They now have a fight on there hands to get his body exhumed and his ashes brought home. The woman has no heart and her voice only ever asks for money. Shes so cold and evil.

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« Reply #190 on: April 10, 2009, 04:39:00 am »
Steve, I´m terribly sad to hear this. The whole situation is hard to understand because Filipinas are reared to show respect especially to our in-laws. The reaction of Martin´s ex-wife is not typical for Bol-anon. Martin is dead, still hatred prevails,  truly sad.
I pray from the bottom of my heart that justice prevails.

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« Reply #191 on: April 10, 2009, 04:49:50 am »
hofelina, thankyou for your kind words, ive honestly only ever wrote true facts. I know the true bol-anon people are some of the loveliest people in the world, as i met so many of them when me and my partner Julie stayed there in Jan. The problem is the same as we have everywhere in the world and there is always at least one bad apple to spoil it for us all. I know i cant bring my mate back, but i can try and fight for his justice and hopefully get a full investigation and the real culprut gets caught. He would do the same for me.

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« Reply #192 on: April 10, 2009, 04:51:35 am »
Bambi,

I am just a reporter and was a freind to the victim, and his freinds.

There are people working on this case, and the NBI autopsy is still to be released from what they will find.

Let's just let England and Philipppines handle the investigations.

I strongly feel England should of been here from the beggining and the crime scene should of been taped off untill England had a chance to do their invesigation.

I also fell that the wife had no business gertting back her husbands belongs especailly as it should be marked for evidence.

No way would this have been returned to any spouse in any other normal country investigation who has been out of the other spouses picture for for sometime. it would be ussed as exhibits in court am I not right?


















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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #194 on: April 10, 2009, 05:10:12 am »
is SPO4 Palacio not seeing the wife taking the girls to the police station to say that they were allegdly raped enough to make the police think what is her motive for doing this even after her husband is found murdered?

Hofelina is right very darn right! Hatred is showing but Palacio said he dropped her as the first suspect because she told them thAT HER AND THE INLAWS GET ALONG WELL?

WE KNOW THE REAL DEAL STEVE BUT IS IT WORTH IT SHE WANTS TO FIGHT THE REMAINS OF A MAN WHO SHE FILED PROTECTION ARDERS AGAINST?

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« Reply #195 on: April 10, 2009, 05:13:40 am »
Pressy, you are absolutely right. The fact that the police were able to get their suspects didn´t mean that the case is solved. This is unprofessional for the investigating party. Valuable materials needed to clear the murder case might probably get lost.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #196 on: April 10, 2009, 05:19:16 am »
The in-laws and her are far from friends, she is an out- law not an in-law. I will never understand why she would not go along with his parents wishes, in circumstances like this who in there right mind would not do all they can to help his grieving family. ? ?

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #197 on: April 10, 2009, 05:25:35 am »
HELLO ! ! Why is this bitch not locked up ? She would be if she lived anywhere else.

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« Reply #198 on: April 10, 2009, 05:26:40 am »
You said it Steve, Martin is gone and she could have done a christian act of reconciliation and make peace with her in(out)-laws. How hard is her heart!

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #199 on: April 10, 2009, 05:28:47 am »
some one who has no sole thats who steve ... there is more feeling in a block of ice .. and any one who can do what she is doing is no human being!!!

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