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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #120 on: March 31, 2009, 04:52:05 am »
Ian, you are right, presenting a murdered person  in this form is abominable. The press in my country has still lots to learn in terms of  human respect and decency.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #121 on: March 31, 2009, 05:29:36 am »
This mentality must change. Our media is quite premitive still. Any Filipino reporter thinks the more gruesome is thier take, the more professional they are.

Such disturbing pictures must only be shown inside a court house. Besides the photos of the body is the greatest evidence that will be used during the court proceedings. Hence, this must be kept confidential as you are exposing vital marks & position in the victims body that may be used by the other party to twist the whole story.

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« Reply #122 on: March 31, 2009, 05:44:07 am »
Hi PnP i am very pleased with what you have done for Martin with all this. I was Martin's friend from pensby wirral and knew him well i am deeply sadened by his death as are my family who new Martin also and cant beleive this has happened to such a lovely man who was never violant and would not of provoked his killer. I am in contact with Steve who is keeping me updated and so hope that the real murderer of Martin is brought to Justice. I will always remeber Martin as a happy go lucky man who always looked to the future with a positive outlook of life and great company. I remember the day he showed me bohol on the map and was very excited to spend his life there. We will miss him deeply and hope justice will done because we all know who is really behind this. My thoughts go out to Martins Family xx

PnP i would love if you could keep me updated if you can see my email on here thankyou.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #123 on: March 31, 2009, 05:49:29 am »
my sincerest condolences to the Martins.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #124 on: March 31, 2009, 06:16:55 am »
Is there any idea to put pressure to our legislative agencies to expedite this criminal case? It is already past mignight here in Germany, I have to go to bed, but my heart is so sad about this issue.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #125 on: March 31, 2009, 07:21:47 am »
i hope justice will come soon,my condolences to the martins family

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« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2009, 07:35:51 am »
He may rest in peace ! Our deepest sympathy to the Martens Family.
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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2009, 10:17:33 am »
Objecting to criticisms this murder demonstrates the breakdown of peace and order in the city, Mayor Dan Lim in the latest issue of Bohol Sunday Post speaks on this case:

Mayor Dan Lim said that contrary to what his critics would like the public to believe, the killing had little to do with a breakdown of peace and order.

"These types of crimes are a consequence of a loose lifestyle. It can happen to any place and should not be an indication of the peace and order situation in the city," he added.

Lim said the swift arrest of the suspects showed the city police force is on top of the situation and that proves that those who commit crimes in the city will eventually be arrested.

The mayor added that there has been a significant break in the investigation on the killing of Victor Taray, the owned of Via Bohol, but declined to elaborate saying this might compromise the follow-up operations.

"The important thing is that we can assure our people that we are doing everything to maintain peace and order in our city," he added.

Lim called on those who might have vital information on the killing saying that all tips will be treated with utmost confidentiality.

"If you want the city to be peaceful, let us all contribute by sharing information that might lead to the arrest of criminals and lawless elements," he added.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #128 on: March 31, 2009, 10:43:08 am »
"If you want the city to be peaceful, let us all contribute by sharing information that might lead to the arrest of criminals and lawless elements," he added.

hope people are listening.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #129 on: March 31, 2009, 02:32:49 pm »
The Mayor is uncomfortable when peole clamor for justice?

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #130 on: March 31, 2009, 04:24:34 pm »
Last week when the murderer had already confessed to the stabbing I had put myself in the investigating room with Investigator Chan.

He seemed like a pleasant man and was happy the one who did the physicall aspect of the crime was in custody. I was also in the room when he told me about the alleged murderers accomplice Borja, and had instructed his men to go to Sierra Boulinas and et her.

I was showing Chan messages I received about the threats sent and being done to Martin and how he was feeling during my time when I was a reporter for this event, Investigator Chan told me that it was my right to think what I wanted and that they already have the murderer. He was not interested to look and read for himself.

Not an iota of an open mind being that he is an investigator.

Martin I will repeat again would never ever invite people such as hoodlums to sit with him he was better than that and why is it when I interveiwed the Alleged murderer he described Martin as snobbish before he stabbed him?

But the alleged murderer described Martin as kind and having good conversation while eating and drinking at his table at Bojols?

Could it be this is a story and he was being followed and knew he was alone and went after him after the Mansasa?

The alleged murderer told me in the interveie that Martin invited them down to Mansasa where he had checked in earlier after dropping off his witness at the peir I should have been with Martin at Bojols like I normally was so he could talk to someone descent and not have been set up.

A week prior to his murder I was eating a snack near to Bojol's and two girls and a may minister were also taking a snack at the table beside me. Martin had stopped to give me a bit of news and the two girls sat there silent and listening.

When he went away the girls asked told me they knew him because his wife had let them into the house before in Panglao and the girls said he is a rapist. I asked Martin later about his not recognizing the girls that night and then repeated what they said and he said "You see what I mean it is being consired because they are freinds of my wife not me."

There are cases pending aainst certain persons behind the shooting incident/alldged poisoning attempt both intended at Martins bar last Jan. The prosecutor told me they will still go on with that case even though the man who the hired assination was after is already dead. (mission accomplished) The court has his name already according to the prosecutor here and afidavits are signed.

This is all public knowledge in the court system.

Atty. Lim has called me this morning and informed me that the family of Martin needs to get in touch with him and discuss matters regarding Martin, and that the British consuulate in Manila would like to know about the plans of Martins true family in England.

Lets me realistic about letting Dan Lim know about tips and leads If I treid to talk to Mayor Dan Lim he was shoo me away like a bumble bee regarding this case.
It is just a tell people what they want to hear that he wants to solve this case. By now he knows my reports and my association into being a freind of Martin's,

Why has he not come to me if he is so interested to solve this case?

Why has the wife not gone to the media like most wifes and ask for help as in her side of the story?
She was just too fast to move into the house after it was locked up for sometime because Martin was not compfortable to sat in the house in Panglao after all the attempts on his life and the threats coming into his phone that were all saved coming from no other then his beloved***! Those messages Martin shown to all of us his real freinds who were and still are concerned about him.

Why has the police overlooked this matter?

I hear Martin's wife is related to a Mayor and a cheif of policie here somewhere? could Martins family plse enlighten the readers heremore about that little detail?

Maybe a conspiracy to put up another story to hide the real master mind behind the murder of Martin Williams.

Sunday post only ran their pathetic nasty write up regarding Martin as he wants to apease the city mayor that it was a dirty filthy foreigner who was having a loose life?

Really Boy Guing? You do not know Martin Williams then do you?

He did not have a loose life that is all lies/and rumor's just to make the newspaper sell.

To try and make it look like Martin was askiing for it and justify for what the Filipinos have done.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #131 on: March 31, 2009, 09:49:44 pm »
 Today I visited martin’s parents,

 As you would expect his mother is not coping well

And as for his father, he looks a broken man, devastated,

This should not have happened to this wonderful family,

No man deserves to die this way and definitely not my mate,

We people from the Wirral are very proud people

Honest, loyal, trustworthy, all these things I remember Martin for.

Don’t let any person come on this site and question his integrity

What ever you may think of Martin we new him best.


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« Reply #132 on: April 01, 2009, 02:35:15 am »
i didn't know martin very well but he was very close to two dear friends of mine .he was a good supportive friend to them & i remember he always had lots of business ideas & wasn't afraid to try them. i have no doubt at all that the wicked evil person that instigated this horrible crime will be brought to justice. rest in peace martin .i quite miss seeing that party bus around . my thoughts are with his family, his children & his friends x

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #133 on: April 01, 2009, 02:42:20 am »
i have been noticed that there are some new comers for this topic.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #134 on: April 01, 2009, 02:52:07 am »
Today I visited martin’s parents,

 As you would expect his mother is not coping well

And as for his father, he looks a broken man, devastated,

This should not have happened to this wonderful family,

No man deserves to die this way and definitely not my mate,

We people from the Wirral are very proud people

Honest, loyal, trustworthy, all these things I remember Martin for.

Don’t let any person come on this site and question his integrity

What ever you may think of Martin we new him best.


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kindly extend our deepest sympathies to Martin's family.
May Our Lord Come And Comfort His bereaved Family In This Most Difficult Time of Their Life.


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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #135 on: April 01, 2009, 10:16:20 am »
guys, don't mistake me of being unresponsive to this thread. i'm just out of words to post in this particular topic. rest assured that Martin is in my prayers and that im one with you in seeking justice for his death.

thanks,

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« Reply #136 on: April 01, 2009, 01:46:47 pm »
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in this forum Martin is nearly beeing declared a saint, im not saying hes not a saint. but sometimes not even the people close to you, really know you. No one off Ted Bundys friends or relatives could even imagine Ted doing something like he did, I am not meaning that Martin was a psycopat running around raping and killing young women but it just showes that u can actually know somebody your whole life and he can still have dark secrets that not even the best friend knows about. However the case is he doesnt deserve to get murdered, so i really hope justice will prevail.

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« Reply #137 on: April 01, 2009, 01:52:14 pm »
I first met Martin in 1994 while working at Vauxhall’s and from that time on we became good friends.  In this time My Wife and I were introduced to his 1st wife and welcomed to his home in Heswall.  Several times Martin and I would enjoy going for a drink and socialising, we also had the same hobby interest of jet skiing.  We always had a good laugh at work and he had lots of friends at his workplace.  I will always remember Martin as a joker who was always laughing and winding other people up.  He was from my point of view honest and trustworthy.

I have spoken to Steve on the telephone and asked to be updated.

I was very shocked and saddened on Saturday to learn of Martin’s death, my thoughts are with his Family at this terrible time.

Here’s what I think in my opinion,

The Bohol Chronicle should never have published the photograph on the internet of Martin’s lifeless body, firstly it is so undignified the poor man must have suffered enough, secondly his parents do not need to see their poor son in that condition and finally this picture says to me, if you go against us (locals) then this is what will happen.  This kind of media would not be tolerated in Great Britain as to protect the Family from shocking images.

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Greetings Ian,

Yes I do agree with you that the Bohol Chronicle shouldn't have posted the picture of Martin's lifeless body on the front page. Such a picture is too graphic and should have been used as evidence for the prosecutor.

But the way things are handled in the Philippines is a little different from say here in the 'States or over there in the UK.

I just do hope they change their way of handling reports. For decency towards the victim and the family.

We have Martin and his family in our prayers.
The Lord Jesus Christ grant mercy and pardon to the soul of Martin.
And that justice will be given.

This we ask in Christ's Name,
Amen.

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« Reply #138 on: April 02, 2009, 01:19:43 am »
Greetings Ian,

Yes I do agree with you that the Bohol Chronicle shouldn't have posted the picture of Martin's lifeless body on the front page. Such a picture is too graphic and should have been used as evidence for the prosecutor.

But the way things are handled in the Philippines is a little different from say here in the 'States or over there in the UK.

I just do hope they change their way of handling reports. For decency towards the victim and the family.

We have Martin and his family in our prayers.
The Lord Jesus Christ grant mercy and pardon to the soul of Martin.
And that justice will be given.

This we ask in Christ's Name,
Amen.

Hi again,

             as I said "in my opinion"  I am not trying to persuade anyone into thinking my way, its just as I see it.

Ian.

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« Reply #139 on: April 02, 2009, 01:38:08 am »
Hi again,

             as I said "in my opinion"  I am not trying to persuade anyone into thinking my way, its just as I see it.

Ian.

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« Reply #140 on: April 02, 2009, 04:37:38 am »
People like myself reading this and who know how the british justice sytem works all know that the arrest of the killers wont be the end of this matter. The phillapeans may think this case is closed but i do believe the british authorities will be doing their own investigations, it will be a long hard slog, but if i know the british people they will find the true killers, its so obvious to everyone who is behind this, it will take time, but the british dont give up.
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« Reply #141 on: April 02, 2009, 04:42:07 am »
hi steve
not sure if you remember me my name is rachael i became really close friend of martin a few years backi met him at the car cruises we always used to go to ..as well as going to the arrow park pub or bobbys and players :) and im pretty sure iv been to your house with him as well if i remember correct with one of my mates i used to work in the ship new brighton ....i became very close to him and cared for him very much so and i am just all over the place about this whole thing and feel so sad for his mum and dad who i also meet once at the wirral show when he had his fire engine and the rest of his family .
iv been talking to alot of the guys from the cruise and they to are deeply sad ..
i really upset by the things that have been said about him as he would never ever say or do anything to hurt anyone he was far to trusting of people and i keepet telling him this as did many of his true friends. alot of his friends from the cruise want to know what going to happen now and i am stuck for answers ...and sorry if this seams to be all on you for them but not sure who else to talk to or what to do as far as just letting his family know how sad we all are and that our thoughts and blessing are wiith them through this horried time .... Thanks Rachael,                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                 

Just a mesage of more of Martins freinds

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« Reply #142 on: April 02, 2009, 04:50:53 am »
People like myself reading this and who know how the british justice sytem works all know that the arrest of the killers wont be the end of this matter. The phillapeans may think this case is closed but i do believe the british authorities will be doing their own investigations, it will be a long hard slog, but if i know the british people they will find the true killers, its so obvious to everyone who is behind this, it will take time, but the british dont give up.
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we never think, jfm, that this is over.
any help from your government is definitely most welcome.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #143 on: April 02, 2009, 05:00:35 am »
Hi Steve and all of Martin's friends, I hope you all could provide tips and leads to the British authorities that will lead to the arrest of the mastermind of Martin's killing whoever he/she is.

My heart reaches out to Martin's family and to all his friends during this difficult time of grief.

And I pray to the Lord Jesus for justice to be served in His time.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #144 on: April 02, 2009, 05:15:58 am »

We need to keep strong for Martin and try to get this matter done in the proper way that it should be handled.
 
The police are not so consrtuctive in their thinking they think because they have the murderer all is well.
 
This was solved to fast and ready to end to fast as to hide the masterminds work. Id like to re-assure all of martins phillipeino freinds all that can be dun will be dun .

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« Reply #145 on: April 02, 2009, 06:30:35 am »
Sincerest prayers for the Martin’s family and friends.

As a foreigner with aspirations for investments on Bohol this case has several concerns: Never become “more valuable dead than alive”.
Showing great wealth in country where marital contracts are in dispute may not be wise.
The police are not trusted fundamentally.
This is a case of contract killing for gain and not one of overall societal safety.
The excepted and expected practice of overcharging foreigners carries deeper problems.
If foreigners are viewed as excepted targets crime at all levels will continue and prosper.
I welcome your input and in no way mean to show disrespect in this drastic tail.


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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #146 on: April 02, 2009, 12:44:33 pm »
We need to keep strong for Martin and try to get this matter done in the proper way that it should be handled.
 
The police are not so consrtuctive in their thinking they think because they have the murderer all is well.
 
This was solved to fast and ready to end to fast as to hide the masterminds work. Id like to re-assure all of martins phillipeino freinds all that can be dun will be dun .

in the philippines, i believe that the police's jurisdiction ends when they caught the suspect. after which, the investigation will be handled by state prosecutors who will determine the existence of probable cause that the suspect in custody is the one who killed the victim. after the investigation conducted by the prosecutor, he will be the one to file a criminal case against the suspect before our court. the same prosecutor will be the one who will represent the state and the victim during the court hearings.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #147 on: April 02, 2009, 06:25:30 pm »
I would like to bring it to attention that steve and his company were at Martins Bar in Alona when the gun shots were fired and were intended for Martin.

They had already gone home by the time that I and Martin had our first interveiw. Tony another one of his freinds was with martin and I when Martin asked me where we could meet and he could keep me up to date on how he was feeling and what were the latest happenings with him as far as what Panglao police were doing to him and the the threats coming from a particular person in his telephone book.

There have been affidavits of witnesess already in the court waiting for raffle against Junrey Polinosa from Paadian City. the Gunman ((HITMAN) whose name was released in The Bohol Standard last week. The gun man was allegedly hired by his wife Margie Gamoyot according to witnesses who have filed already in the and the is pending for the time when it will be raffled in the court.

I have also heard from various people who have waited on Martin explaining that they were in shock when they found it was Martin who was the victim. They say he always greeted them and was so pleasant. He was here with his English freinds always or they had seen us drinking coffe together as well late into the night.
I question that guard untill now in mansasa was he paid to say what he said in saying that he has seen Martin checking in with Several girls?

One freind of mine had paid respects at the funeral home for Martin, he even went to the hotel room of Martin and sat in there thinking about how he remembered Martin.

He was able to talk with Martins wife at the funeral home for a few hours and she told him that she went to the jail cell of the alleged murderer the day of his arrest and how odd I find this as he the alleged told me he had never met or knew the wife of Martin?

I had seen him three days after the arrest with PNP Torrejos from the Tagbilaran City Police Station.

I am not yet clear or understand where his present remains lay at rest I heard Martins body was in a white casket and had been taken to rest in his house in Panglai one final time before she wanted to burry him in Victoria Memorial Park.

The British Embassy called Atty. lim Martins Atty. and asked him if he has notifeid Martins family yet? Atty told them that I have contacted Martins family and freinds and asked me to pass on the numbers of those who I have been in contact with.

Since I was a freind of Martin and was the one who started writing and reporting this incident back in Jan, 2009, the office of Atty. lim asked me to be the one to please email his freinds and family.

I also put up this blog up so if anyone reads it with any helpfull tips or information could further assist with this case. This Blog also serves as a memorial for Martin and his family and his freinds who love him very much.

Thank You, to everyone for supporting this blog with your positive and constructive words and thoughts and prayer's for Martin and his family.

Yesterday, I was not on line as there was a microsoft virus threat and did not want to take any chances.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #148 on: April 02, 2009, 10:58:46 pm »
The dead will be honored if we just allow the legal process to take its due course to determine the criminal liability and finally resolve this case.

The living--both those who have fond remembrances of Martin and those who are just genuinely concerned about this case--can speculate however we want to, but the dead is already with the One who sees everything.

So we just have to abide by the facts that the Bohol legal process, however flawed, can uncover about this case and let the truth stand in court.

Please bear with the few comments I have on what Martin's friends have posted here:

1) Naturally, police investigators have to go first and foremost by hard, physical evidence that are found directly at the crime site and provided by direct witnesses. Personal text messages, letters, etc. can also be examined if there are physical evidences that link them to the commission of the act and the motive thereof.

2) I don't find the accusations against the Filipina wife very fair at this point. Whatever their marital problems, I think there are no hard evidences yet that establish her involvement in this particular crime. I cannot say the same about the other attempts on Martin's life, as I am not privy to them. She may have the motive, perhaps an overwhelming one, but implementing that motive into an act is an entirely different story. Hence, it is certainly not fair to say it is odd the alleged culprit who is now in custody does not know nor have met Martin's wife. Don't even claim you're a reporter if you don't know the basic rule that the burden of proof to establish this connection lies in the accuser, not the accused. At least go check his wallet, bank account, mattress, and other possible cash stash before you can start making the connection.

3) "The Filipinos did this to Martin" is about as crude a generalization as saying "Foreigners bring this on themselves because of their loose lifestyle" (not my statement, but Mayor Dan Lim's). The victim is an individual and the culprit, his companion, and others possibly involved are also individuals. Personally, I will caution you against making friends with Filipinos who love to drink, joins you for beer uninvited, has a minor girl in tow, and invites you with the minor for a midnight tryst for whatever reason or price. But I can also recommend a hundred and one places for a foreigner to find decent Filipino friends. In the same way, I sometimes squirm at what a few male foreigners do with minor girls  in public beaches but I am awed by the dedication of many more foreign missionaries serving poor children. In short, there are bad Filipinos and there are bad foreigners, but people of whatever nationality are generally good.

4) I did not know Martin until this tragic incident happened. And I read the papers, exchange information with my Bohol-based friends and relatives everyday. I am sure Martin is well-known by his family, friends and regular clients. But I am not so sure he is so well-known among so many people that the residents of Panglao island and Bohol, the police, the prosecutors, the courts, the hotel and restaurant staff have any stake or vested interest in hiding the truth. I frown on any hotel reception staff revealing the lifestyle pattern of a client, but I don't believe he has a reason or motive to lie about it.

I don't see why there should be a grand conspiracy to whitewash this case, as is being indirectly alleged. It has already unfairly damaged Bohol's reputation as a safe travel destination. If at all, Boholanos shiver at the thought of a murderer roaming freely in their midst. We are all for the search of truth and the swift resolution of this case.


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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #149 on: April 03, 2009, 02:48:38 am »
Regarding number 3) I interveiwed one security guard working at Bojol's the place were the alleged murderer said that he and the girl had sat and had drinks with Martin are false according to the guard. Martin entered that establishment alone and ate at his own table.
He also went away on his motor alone. The family name of the guard I am withholding s as not to louse of the case.

In any opinion when making any statements about anything I find it best that you seen the incident or heard about it from those who were involved actively and as witnesses.

If you make an assumption of someone it is generally not advised if you do not know the  person personally.

The people vote for mayor there fore the majority he represents is that not the way it works?

You vote for him that means you stand by him and his ideals and coneptions whether poor or precise as they maybe.

He is a leader of the community. Is he not and Filipinos like to follow the leader to avoid trouble or rukas or even follow the leader to avoid having people think bad about them.

Everyone knows what happens when they have exposed his not so good mayorial decisions.

Benelyn,

I appreciate your input and homework and you know and I know exactly how it works here.

What it should be is not.

Your country relies on an old beaurocratic internastional law as Juvenile Justice Law.

Your people can knowingly hire minor's to do your dirty work. It's truly pathetic in my eyes.

So far persons from other various counteries I have talked to are opposed to beaurocratic socailism international laws and many counteries have a way of treating and rehabilitating mionors who knowingly do heinnious crimes.

I an many others same as myself are very opposed to this law. You either start spending more time with kids if you are parents so that way they are less tempted to do crime here.
Sure your walking tall many of you in other countreis compfortable because you darn well know that if anything happens to you you are going to be treated in the right way as justice and law will handle either adults and minors who are doing things that are not good.
I am living in a country were the minors have an attitude that they can do what ever they want and knowngly know that they can get away with it.

How safe do you think people here feel knowing that the overall general attitude and behavior of minors are abusing this law.

I thinkk I have answered this very well.

Thank You!

Yes we know crime happens everywhere as well as murders not just single murders but murders in the masses.

Ben, you must also realize that the people in here replying are Martins family and there is more to it then may not being said.
Martins brothers, sisters and freinds grew up or worked with him back home. I am sure they know better then the rest of us.

I have also heard the Filipno chika chika that Martin was even gay? What? come on guys that's getting just stupid.

The chronicle printed the wrong news regarding the case last friday and it has caused pandamoniam amongst Filipine persons and makes them think bad of Martin.

The case last Friday was for Williams Vs Williams for a restraining order filed by his wife.

Not rape as mentioned by the chronicle.

I have told my colleauge repeatedly and co-workers to apologize and correct what they have printed. Also they called it the SEA BAR and it is the SHE BAR.

When one is writing news it is reccomended that you go out into the feild like I do to get the reports the best way that you can.

Regarding number two she admitted at the funeral parlor that she went to the jail to see and talk and explain the bent back finger of the Alleged murderer now in police cusody the day after he was captured and admitted to 14 times of stabbing him to the police and to the media.
When i interveiwed him on Friday night late he said he did not know her? What?

He also said he had dinner with Martin and drank with Martin? What?

The guard on duty that night said he was sitting alone and not with anyone or talking to anyone.

Confussing is it not?





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« Reply #150 on: April 03, 2009, 04:37:36 am »
Me and Julie would like to thankyou from our hearts for all you are doing for Martin and I know why you feel as strong as you do about this, because anyone who spoke to him about the events leading upto his death your heart would bleed for him,he was living in terror,when he seen us off at the airport he cried and hugged us both. I spoke to him a few times once we came home, he told us he was keeping his head down and the only important thing in his life was sorting out the troubles he had. He was even too scared to stay in his own home,if you had of spoke to him you would know his wife had a contact out on his life, its so corrupt its untrue. People here are in shock as no-one would get away with it here. We will be doing all we can on this side of the world and we will give all information we have to our authorities to help fight for his justice.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #151 on: April 04, 2009, 02:31:59 am »



In recent interveiws with Bojol crew workers who served Martin his beverage and foods on the night of hiis murder have said that he was eating alone and was being watched closely by the two minor alleged suspects Guile and Borja.

In earlier testimony Guile said that the victim Martins Hawthorn (Williams) had invited them to sit at his table and join him for dinner and drinking. and that Martins disposition was freindly?

According to the roaming guard that was on duty that night he also said that Martin ate by himself. and that he went in alone and out of the establishment alone. No one was riding on his bike with him.

Marten entered alone and left alon





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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #152 on: April 04, 2009, 06:13:45 am »
We just need to wait this out and let justice see the way.

Let the proper authorities handle it.


Everybody enjoy holyweek!

Take Care!

Let Martin Rest.

Please continue to express your felings in here and thoughts and Pray for things everywhere to be mended.

Hope we can have a wonderfull peace and self peace in that we all do our best to get along.  :)



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #154 on: April 04, 2009, 10:17:28 am »
I implore/beg anyone considering any form of investment in this area to RE-CONSIDER untill justice for Martin Williams-Hawthorne has been served!
I believe the majority of the Bohol residents are peaceful,respectfull and honest.. But there are certain residents who are aware and hold full knowledge of the grotesque murder of an innocent man soley for financial reward !
Please do not reward these evil,greedy people by investing 1 euro untill the people resonsible are arrested... & convicted.
In my school days when constantly faced with a detention of our entire class due to the misbehaviour of one pupil , we all soon got fed up covering for the person who alone should of been punished !
The majority of Bohol deserve no punishment whotsoever and i believe they will self police if threats of British ,European & international funding were to be suspended untill the culprits are in custody charged with murder !
Allow the decent nature of Bohol residents to oust the vermin themselves before investing in any way, shape or form .
If not any investment will only be seen to the rest of the World as supporting murder in order to financially gain !
The IRA , Osma bin Laden all take innocent lives ?
Support Bohol or any surrounging areas untill justice has been served for Martin Williams-Hawthorne and his family and you may as well have a direct debit to the talliban !

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« Reply #155 on: April 05, 2009, 11:09:13 pm »
I was told tonight the hotel manager would be lighting acandle in the place where he was attacked with a heavy blunt object and then stabbed to death.

Tonight and all day is jnoen is knoen as the easter .

The manager said she would do it tonight as it is Palm Sunday here the begining of holy yweek

I think it is pretty thoughtfull of the hotel management to do such a thing.

Mansa the place where he was murdererd is very high in crime theses days.

The other night the police say they accidently shot at a victim in Mansasa dist. who is now recovering from the bullet wounds

Last night the police were out in the street trying to tell kids to go home during late hours of the night as they tried to enforce the curfew for minors last night.

The Borja family lives in Mansasa dist. she was the one accomplice of Gulle who yelled for hope supposedly.

It is said by relatives on her moms side that she is known for beating up her mother and is reportedly also by family members as being associated in a gang known as the "Bloods".

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« Reply #156 on: April 05, 2009, 11:11:59 pm »
That word should of been help not hope.

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« Reply #157 on: April 06, 2009, 04:36:40 am »
Hi, my name is Roy Hill. Martin was a very good friend of mine and also my wife. I worked with Martin in Vauxhall. I and my wife cannot believe what has happened to him as he was a very decent and trusted friend. I spoke to martin about 2 years ago when he still had his Limousine business in the UK, he told me about his plans and said to me when he was settled he would contact me with details of where he was and would invite us to visit him. Although I have not spoken or seen martin for quite some time when you work with someone as long as we worked together the memory of his personality kindness and truthfulness will not leave me.
 I would like to take this opportunity to wish all his friends in Bohol, and his family my sincere sympathy on the loss of Martin.

GOODNIGHT    MART   MY THOUGHTS WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU.
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« Reply #158 on: April 06, 2009, 01:28:09 pm »
What is absolutley mind boggeling is the way they do not really do what I call a fine tooth combing when they investigate here.

Such as roping off areas of the crime scene, and also of his property. Talking to persons who had seen him just before he was murdererd to get an accountability of what the two alleged suspects had given its as if the story was planned out all the way to the end.
I do beleive the word is pre-meditated murder.

Any woman can say here in the Philippines that she was raped due to not having to take DNA samplings as we do in the states.

Most and I have seen this happen here several times (Pooor gullable foreign men falling into sexxual devious traps) that the woman here hang on his arms wears sexxy clothes and dines together with the foreigner victim to be and after he beds her and decides not to Wed her she creis rape.

Why does it happen more to foriegners and not to Filipino men?

Well Filipino man on the average here does not have money and the foreigner does. Could this be done out of proverty?

Maybe parents are pimping off they're ever so innocent daughters here because of big bad wholly Bully white men?

Ha ha ha!

What a scam!

After the Nicole incident no woman here who screams rape will get my sympathy.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #159 on: April 06, 2009, 04:56:31 pm »
Prescilla, kaniadto misinggit ang Inahan mga anak dagan ug hapa kay naay Hapon. Karon, mosinggit ang Inahan mga   anak doul dire kay naay Hapon nangita ug asawahon..

Trans. During the World ll, the Mother shout, Run and hide because the Japs are coming. Now, run and come out the Japs are here.

Its a sad notes but, its reality. Parents sometimes opted or pimmed their daughters to  Foreigner to get married for convenience.

Poverty played some roles in changing tradition and cultures. Kinsa may mo dili kung ikahamugaway sa atong pamilya.

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