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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2009, 12:05:13 am »
Hi my names Jenny and Martin was my uncle. I want to thank you for all your information upto now as you have shed light on many things that we were not aware of. My family are very upset at this sad moment in time, uncle martins death has come as a shock. I am not sure if you are able to view my email address from this but if so could you please get in touch as there are questions i would like to ask in private. Jenny x

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2009, 02:49:39 am »
Hello Jenn,

First off my condolensces. How were you abel to get this web site adress?

That will be my security question before I will reply in private and be able to give you further information that you may want to know.

I am sure I am thew one that you are refering too.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2009, 04:03:04 am »
I am going to paste this Email i received from tony regarding his thoughts on a very dear   

"priscilla thinkyou for the email what ive just read is enough to make me sick
how can this happen in what should be a safe place i feal so sad not just for me but for is pearents martin was good friend to me why in this day and age that foreigners dont get protection after all is it not us that want to live and spend money here im sorry im so mad this  has happen ive told the police and interpole and they are looking into it but priscilla what can we do they dont seem to listing to you our us the tourest thay just dont care i think its about time pepole no whats going on over there and its not safe im so sorry this has happing to my friend martin i just wish i could do more yours tony harrisDate: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:43:15 -0700"
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: this is Priscilla from bohol
> To: [email protected]
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> Tony thank you for replying we need your help as well my media freind and i are trying to make Governor read our plea for the protection of foreigners.
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> I went to the morgue yesterday with Atty. lim we could not go alone.
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> we feel awfull here really awfull. marten was on the morgue table sewn in many places. he had 14 stab wound on him.
> i have the crime scene details but Iam not sure if you want to hear it?
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> Do not worry freind you stay in touch i will get back to you in a bit.
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> Im going to my freinds house to make a comprehensive story for the governor to read.
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> i slept terribly last night.
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> could you please write me a letter on how your feeling and how about any next of kin for marten who will claim and make arrangments.
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> I am trying to fight for justice of marten.
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> please keep in touch.
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> let me know if you want the details.
   close and dear freind of his was treated on the island of freindly people?

Please note Tony was just here a couple of weeks a go and has already returned to England.



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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2009, 04:03:05 am »
Hi my name is Steve Ocallaghan and im a very good friend of Martin, I was with martin at the time of the shooting. I was sitting at his bar with my partner Julie. Martin was a kind and loving person who loved life to the full. He worked hard all his life for what he had and all he wanted was a simple life in a beautiful part of the world. One strange thing about the shooting was that ten mins before he got a text message off his wife saying "GOODNIGHT" I ask one question who is the only person to gain anything from his death? I hope more than anything that justice will be served. Me and Julie would like to take this oppertunity to thank all the kind people who are on his side. Regards Steve and Julie.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2009, 04:07:56 am »
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. As we did not know much information my first instinct was to google online. I inserted british man murdered in philippines and your blog was the research result. Jenny

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2009, 04:12:42 am »
I used to work with martin and also have a drink with him, he would not rape anybody
he was a man`s man who liked a good laugh.

Thank you for keeping us informed

He will be sadly missed

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« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2009, 04:41:55 am »
Steve,

Thank you for blogging and sharing your thoughts about Martin. I am an American freind of Martin for about one year some where in that area.

The security guard at Mansasa where it is that Martin checks in must be either biased or just simply sticking up for his own when he has been telling the investigator on the case that Martin had brought several girls to that same place? (Read-What the ****!).

I was only aware of his witness and him checking into the place to save gas and be on time for their appointments. Martin was with his witness always. Even when we were out talking and eating dinner or snacks together. That girl his witness worked with him for a few months untill he had to close his bar because of all tyhe threats.

I want that security guard to produce real pictures of evidence that Martin checked in with many different girls.

I also want to see matching finger prints of the item that Martin was using to supposedly go after the boy after a confrontation had taken place? This was according to the investigator.

Why did the boy confess to only five stabbings there are 14 total who did the other nine?

Here is the worst part these kids will not be serving any time in jail or prison because there is a juvenile justice law that no matter what crime they commit they do not go to jail or prison. Not sure how it will work in this case.

Marten is about 5'8 and in great shape.

there has been alot of gossip here not good but maybe it is there way to jusity that what they do here is okay.

They want to make Martin look bad wen actually he is just the opposite the total opposit.
So many business people who know Martin are in disbeleive of the crap being said that is so not true.



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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2009, 04:56:03 am »
 noticed the Philipine person persons are silent?

I think they will see how active and non passive we are in my next blog i will post the manifesto we did at our emergency meeting today.

I was able to start the international foreign group that martin and I had been discussing recently.

I had put it together in two hours and ended upmaking new freinds and about eight os us were there.

Here is the Comprehensie letter to be put in the paper this weekend.

It was signed by all the new members as of today.

We have sponsorship from McDonalds, Hollywood Bizzare, and Atty. Trabajo Lim who is Martins Atty.

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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2009, 05:01:39 am »
BOHOL INTERNATIONAL WELCOME ASSOCIATION

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“Hurting Foreigners is Hurting Tourism”

 

The Bohol International Welcome Association (Biwa), a Bohol-wide alliance of foreigners who have adopted the Province of Bohol as our home, strongly condemns threats and the recent increase of violent crimes involving our foreign friends here in the Province.

 

The past months, we have witnessed our fellow migrants and tourists being the victims of harassment and brutal crimes that prompted us to comprehensively analyze the situation and how we should band together in an effort to protect ourselves with the help of the government.

 

Sometime in April 2007, a German national and his wife were murdered by suspected burglars right at their very own home in Barangay Laya, Baclayon. The case remain hanging as some suspects are still at large while those in trial have not been meted the full force of the law due to delays in the Philippine Justice System. Last year, a retired US serviceman was killed in an accident involving a city government vehicle which lost its brakes and slammed into the American who was riding his motorcycle. The victim’s Boholana fiancé was pregnant with the victim’s child however, neither the city government nor the provincial authorities ever lifted a finger to help arrest the government vehicle driver who now remains a free man.

 

More recently, another retired US serviceman from the Navy, became a victim of intimidation and threats by the nephew of his own wife. He was illegally detained after being held at knife-point in an enclosure of their home by the nephew, whom the retired US Navy treated as his own relative and welcomed to live in his abode. Instead of being arrested, the policemen who came to rescue the navy man was allowed to go scot-free leaving behind a terrified foreigner who came to Bohol barely nine months ago after he fell in love with the place. What is more worse, his wife refuses to give him his passport as he tries to seek safety and wants to fly back to the United States.

 

Then, the latest vicious attack that claimed the life of a British bar owner who was stabbed to death 14-times. He had been attacked two months ago and was almost killed by an assassin’s bullet. The police could not solve the unnecessary aggression to a foreigner who invested money and provide jobs to the locales. Until now, there is no assurance that the killers of the innocent foreigner will be brought to justice.

 

It is with steadfast resolution that we, the members of BIWA, representing dozens of other foreign immigrants here in Bohol , stand in solidarity that a serious campaign should be done by the government to protect foreigners living here in the province. Continued violence against us would create a dangerous situation that will unduly affect the Tourism industry of Bohol .

 

As foreign guests and migrants, we are more susceptible to abuse and harassment ranging from simple violations of our human rights to all sorts of criminality.

 

As such, we CONDEMN the violence against fellow foreigners and we appeal to the government to protect us under Philippine Laws and we stand in unity condemning the attacks against us.

 

We do not want to meddle with government affairs but we are just asking for the government’s help in ensuring our safety and rights.

 

 

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2009, 05:11:59 am »
Martin was set up ? I had 3 weeks with him and he told me a lot of stuff ? Iv made a statement to the british police , Money can buy and do a lot of thigs out there , People can be paid to say and DO ?? . I just hope they get the BASTERDS , My thorts are with Martins family at moment , Steve

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« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2009, 06:16:42 am »
Mine also, Martin told me you were there with him during the excitement. my personal email account on yahoo is [email protected]

Please give my condolensces for them also.

God Speed!

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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2009, 07:13:23 am »
this is so sad precious. i hope BIWA and Bohol government will help and coordinate each other to protect foreigners.
my respects and sympathies to the deceased and his grieving family and friends. God rest his soul.

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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2009, 07:20:42 am »
In States or in any advanced countries, the spouse will be the main suspect of any death. In the states, there are government prosecutors as well as private investigators to hound the case.

In the Philippines, the suspect will be set free if no case is filled against him in 24 hours.

This type of system in the Philippines must be changed.

Yes, filipinos have more freedom than the states and we don't have a death sentence. That same freedom would be subject to abuse that kept us locked inside our house for fear of our lives, ironically.

This must be changed.

My condolences to Marten's family.

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« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2009, 08:17:39 am »
tsk tsk tsk

i've lost touch of the laya, baclayon incident.

justice delayed, justice denied.

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« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2009, 08:20:59 am »
sorry, will. hehehe

i thought picture nimu ng naa sa avatar.

balhin tas pikas thread. daghan blogs si pnp didto. mas informative.

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« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2009, 08:24:49 am »
This is just going by what I've been told by people who live in the area:
A foreigner was shot, execution style in the head and found in the vicinity of the seawater swimming pool in Mansasa yesterday.  His motorbike was still there, parked nearby.

Ben, is this the case of Marten's? I am puzzled because the report of Pressy is stabbing 14 times and the rummors you got is shot execution style.

Would somebody clarify the matter?

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« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2009, 08:27:49 am »
To Precious and BIWA Members,

We are in solidarity with you in the search for justice for Martin and all other foreigners who have been victims of crimes.

Please don't ever think the locals or Philippine nationals are in cahoots with the perpetrators to deny justice to him. We share your frustration at the slow grind of justice in our country. We also share your overriding concern about safety in Bohol. Our silence does not mean complicity. Boholanos who comment here are mostly based outside Bohol, and have only secondary sources of information about this crime. With the rumors circulating even in the print media, any additional speculation on our part will only befog the truth.

Crime has no nationality. We mourn the tragedies your community has been subjected to by lawless elements. But at the same time we are happy that you have decided to keep Bohol your home. Your concerted action to bring the government's attention to your plight will eventually benefit the community as a whole.

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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2009, 02:49:07 pm »
I worked with Marten ( Steve and Bradders also) for a number of years and was shocked to hear of his murder. My heart goes out to his family. He was a fantastic bloke. 

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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2009, 03:03:37 pm »
Ben, is this the case of Marten's? I am puzzled because the report of Pressy is stabbing 14 times and the rummors you got is shot execution style.
Would somebody clarify the matter?

Bohol Chronicle and its police and medico-legal sources indicate that the cause of Martin's death was stabbing.

We really have to filter the information we receive because at this early stage, there are more rumors than facts.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2009, 03:27:15 pm »
Hi my name is Steve Ocallaghan and im a very good friend of Martin, I was with martin at the time of the shooting. I was sitting at his bar with my partner Julie. Martin was a kind and loving person who loved life to the full. He worked hard all his life for what he had and all he wanted was a simple life in a beautiful part of the world. One strange thing about the shooting was that ten mins before he got a text message off his wife saying "GOODNIGHT" I ask one question who is the only person to gain anything from his death? I hope more than anything that justice will be served. Me and Julie would like to take this oppertunity to thank all the kind people who are on his side. Regards Steve and Julie.

Your prime suspect is the abandoned wife who seek asylum to another province bringing along his baby. She is the one capable of hiring killer to kill Marten as revenge and enrich herself as heir to the property of Marten. Why did Marten have a good relation to her wife is He is really a good man as Priscilla described Marten as a personal friend. Maybe thiers more to it than a just speculation.
 
What the motives of a wife, to kill his husband? What Marten owned is also owned by his wife. If Marten is a chickboy or let say having an affair with another girls in his club. Then maybe this is motives of the killing.

Then maybe theres another angle also that the relatives of supposed to be raped victim      also capable of hiring a killer or the boyfriend of the girl.

There is an established motives of the killing, other than hold-up or just a plane robbery. Beside it happened three time attempted murder. Anyway, hope justice will served for Marten.

I will asked  Atty. Calibo of NAPOLCOM to investigate this Officer who harassed Foreigner on their clubs. Priscilla can name some police officer who do this. When I come home We can summoned this Police officer. We reassigned then in Basilan.

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« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2009, 03:31:49 pm »
reassign them in Basilan para ibala ug canyon.

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« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2009, 04:02:13 pm »
The accounts don't add up. They raise more questions than answers.

Initial investigation indicates that this was a random incident, perpetrated by a pair of minors, who are just high school students. An ID card found among the bloody litter led to this important piece of information. A verbal altercation was supposed to have preceded the violence that resulted in 14 stab wounds.

What would provoke minors to such intensity of rage that they would fell a bigger man with vicious stab wounds? My doubt all boils down to the insufficiency of motive.

Was this part of the strategy of the mastermind, given that juveniles cannot be thrown the book in the court of law?

Bohol Chronicle states that the rap against Martin consisted of two rape cases, one of which was due to be heard the day his body was discovered. But his friends say Martin was a good man, and could not have possibly perpertrated the crime.

Our very own Precious here reports two previous attempts to Martin's life, one by gun and the other by poison. Why didn't the police treat these serious attempts to his life seriously by conducting an investigation?

Given the myriad questions, I really pray that this case will not just be filed among the unsolved cases.

Or "mysterious Bohol" will soon owe this name not to its unfathomable beauty, but to unsolved crimes due to inept law enforcement.






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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2009, 08:11:40 pm »
nah nakabati kog storya nga barato man lang daw ang gun for hire diri sa Bohol 5,000 pesos go na daw...kakuyaw ba

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2009, 09:31:41 pm »
Ben, is this the case of Marten's? I am puzzled because the report of Pressy is stabbing 14 times and the rummors you got is shot execution style.

Would somebody clarify the matter?
That was hearsay from various people in the Barangay.  PnP has the full story.

The only sage thing to say about keeping safe for foreigners who come here and marry: check out your future in-laws.  You are not only marrying a person, but an entire extended family.  If they are demanding or rude then run, no matter how much you love your fiancee.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #65 on: March 27, 2009, 10:05:50 pm »
The accounts don't add up. They raise more questions than answers.

Initial investigation indicates that this was a random incident, perpetrated by a pair of minors, who are just high school students. An ID card found among the bloody litter led to this important piece of information. A verbal altercation was supposed to have preceded the violence that resulted in 14 stab wounds.

What would provoke minors to such intensity of rage that they would fell a bigger man with vicious stab wounds? My doubt all boils down to the insufficiency of motive.

Was this part of the strategy of the mastermind, given that juveniles cannot be thrown the book in the court of law?

Bohol Chronicle states that the rap against Martin consisted of two rape cases, one of which was due to be heard the day his body was discovered. But his friends say Martin was a good man, and could not have possibly perpertrated the crime.

Our very own Precious here reports two previous attempts to Martin's life, one by gun and the other by poison. Why didn't the police treat these serious attempts to his life seriously by conducting an investigation?

Given the myriad questions, I really pray that this case will not just be filed among the unsolved cases.

Or "mysterious Bohol" will soon owe this name not to its unfathomable beauty, but to unsolved crimes due to inept law enforcement.






Two Rape charges are very serious crime againts our Boholanas, And he still roaming around scatch free from the time of his murder, preying on young girls as his next victims. Is he supposed to be in jail, rape is a heinous crime in the Philippines. Marten is on bailed-out, as he can afford to hire a Lawyer. What about those two Boholanas who cannot afford a lawyer. Their families will get even in any ways.

As security guard testified he always check-in with different girls in a hotel. Thats make him a good person. I don't think so, Beside he using a pseudo name Martin Williams or a Martin Thornpe.

I like foreign Tourist to live in Bohol. But I don't like this kind of people preying on our young girls as sex slaves, because of poverty. Marry them and then abandoned later with their young child. And accused the family as leeches.

I like people to come marry our ladies, respect our tradition and culture, or religion. And live happily ever after. Enjoy Bohol as if its your own place.






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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #66 on: March 27, 2009, 10:32:54 pm »
2 alleged rape cases
2 murder attempts
14 stab wounds

did i read it right?

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2009, 10:54:23 pm »
Two Rape charges are very serious crime againts our Boholanas, And he still roaming around scatch free, preying on young girls as his next victims. Marten is on billed out, as he can afford to hire a Lawyer. What about those two Boholanas who cannot afford a lawyer. Their families will get even in any ways.

As security guard testified he always check-in with different girls in a hotel. Thats make him a good person. I don't think so, Beside he using a pseudo name Martin Williams or a Martin Thornpe.

I like foreign Tourist to live in Bohol. But I don't like this kind of people preying on our young girls as sex slaves, because of poverty. Marry them and then abandoned later with their young child. And accused the family as leeches.

I like people to come marry our ladies, respect our tradition and culture, or religion. And live happily ever after. Enjoy Bohol as if its your own place.

A person is innocent until proven guilty, so let's leave the sentence to the court. Unfortunately, I think the decision on the raps against Martin will no longer be heard. But the judgment on his murder case will certainly be a test if our justice system is working.

Nothing can justify murder. Still, Rald's reminder to foreigners is cautionary. Foreigners who live long term or permanently in Bohol should pay attention to local sensibilities. I myself sometimes observe the indifferent and even loud attitude of some foreigners in public places such as malls, and squirm at foreign men hanging out with a number of scantily clad and heavily made up local women. Such behavior is acceptable in liberal societies, but grates at the sensibilities of the locals.

What makes things worse is if the male kin of these women witness such scenes. Or if foreigners make gestures or behave towards local women in ways that may be acceptable in their societies, but not to the local community. To the locals, "rape" is not necessarily the consummation of a forcible sexual act, but can consist simply in the forcible or unexpected act of hugging a woman tightly or kissing her.

When the offense is committed against the poor, who have no means to get even in court, they may just take the law into their hands.

With due respect to the deceased, I do not want to pre-judge Martin. But to dismiss the number of local testimonies on his liberal behavior towards women would be to summarily accuse these unrelated, disinterested witnesses of malicious collaboration. Martin just has too many knots in his local relationships--in-laws, women, police, local men--for him to continue to take for granted his personal safety and indifferent behavior.

I believe increased consideration for the local sensibilities will help diminish these fatal flashpoints to our mutual relationship.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2009, 11:01:21 pm »
A person is innocent until proven guilty, so let's leave the sentence to the court. Unfortunately, I think the decision on the raps against Martin will no longer be heard. But the judgment on his murder case will certainly be a test if our justice system is working.

Nothing can justify murder. Still, Rald's reminder to foreigners is cautionary. Foreigners who live long term or permanently in Bohol should pay attention to local sensibilities. I myself sometimes observe the indifferent and even loud attitude of some foreigners in public places such as malls, and squirm at foreign men hanging out with a number of scantily clad and heavily made up local women. Such behavior is acceptable in liberal societies, but grates at the sensibilities of the locals.

What makes things worse is if the male kin of these women witness such scenes. Or if foreigners make gestures or behave towards local women in ways that may be acceptable in their societies, but not to the local community. To the locals, "rape" is not necessarily the consummation of a forcible sexual act, but can consist simply in the forcible or unexpected act of hugging a woman tightly or kissing her.

When the offense is committed against the poor, who have no means to get even in court, they may just take the law into their hands.

I do not want to pre-judge Martin. But to dismiss the number of local testimonies on his liberal behavior with women would be to summarily accuse these unrelated, disinterested witnesses of corrobation. Martin just has too many knots in his local relationships--in-laws, women, police, local men--for him to continue to take for granted his personal safety and indifferent behavior.

I believe increased consideration for the local sensibilities will help diminish these fatal flashpoints to our mutual relationship.

 I agree with you Benny San, This is how to behaved in a foreign land as I'm foreigner here in a Muslim World that make them more sensitive than Us, in Bohol.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2009, 11:09:26 pm »
nah nakabati kog storya nga barato man lang daw ang gun for hire diri sa Bohol 5,000 pesos go na daw...kakuyaw ba

Kuyaw jud. Inflation sa presyo sa palaliton, deflation sa presyo sa kinabuhi.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2009, 12:46:51 am »
bitaw, maayo na lang kay naa c ben maghatag ug mga objective nga panan-aw, ral mada man gyud sa mga foreigner ang ilang mga pamatasan dire sa ato, pero kung kitang tua sa gawas tahod gyud ta sa ilang pamatasan.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2009, 04:05:07 am »
I think if the women did not ask always the foreign guys for money and other items when they put out maybe the guy could find a descent girl who is not always after what she can get because the Filipino man when he sleeps with the Filipina woman is she asking thousnds of pesos or for cell phones, or what ever as an exchange for sex.

Some guys who come here act like pigs yes I admit that about white guys I am not like that of some filipino who dennies what bad things my race is doing!

Also Filipino men are player's big time from any profession and not just Filipino men all over the world but that does not justify killing anyone.

besides manners what manners are you talking about?

seeing toilets not flushed, cutting in on people in line, oh it happens here to me alot and I say something like your rude, and do not do it again.

What do you mean bad habits?
I am  foreign woman here and please do not say I have bad manner's when in fact so many things here are done just the opposite of what i was told not to do as a kid.

Martin was BUOTAN kaayo!

I knew him in person as a freind did you?

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2009, 04:22:52 am »
I think if the women did not ask always the foreign guys for money and other items when they put out maybe the guy could find a descent girl who is not always after what she can get because the Filipino man when he sleeps with the Filipina woman is she asking thousnds of pesos or for cell phones, or what ever as an exchange for sex.

Some guys who come here act like pigs yes I admit that about white guys I am not like that of some filipino who dennies what bad things my race is doing!

Also Filipino men are player's big time from any profession and not just Filipino men all over the world but that does not justify killing anyone.

besides manners what manners are you talking about?

seeing toilets not flushed, cutting in on people in line, oh it happens here to me alot and I say something like your rude, and do not do it again.

What do you mean bad habits?
I am  foreign woman here and please do not say I have bad manner's when in fact so many things here are done just the opposite of what i was told not to do as a kid.

Martin was BUOTAN kaayo!

I knew him in person as a freind did you?

Priscilla I'm thankful that you are here making positive statement on a foreigner point of view.

But to be factual what really started this event. We tried to dig deeper on the situation according to your statement. We don't condemned Martin as Sexual predator. But we based our observation on the events that lead to murder.

For me a boutan kaayo stay in the house and take care of his family. Check-in a hotel with a lady witness because he might missed his appointment with his lawyer, I don't take this kind of alibi. Because, Tawala is just twenty minutes drive to Tagbilaran City.

I hope justice will prevail and We shall find peace in forgiveness.




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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2009, 04:29:55 am »
The family and freinds of Martin tonight I responded to two very lengthy and long emails one from a neice and one from his brother.

I had said things to his family that are private as I had spoke to the 18 year old murderer last night in his jail.

I also seen the girl who is 16 and her mom and her freind wth Atty. Zamora at the fiscals office.

If i am a foreigner and seein how her freind behaives and how they were dressed and how tough they think they are and actted and how they looked was not any cream of the crop for anyone to attempt either descent sex with or rape.

Very dirty and rough looking as like hard up!

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2009, 04:37:54 am »
I do remember NIcole crying wolf for a going to America and oh my g*** after she supposedly had been raped by a navy man

Maybe the victim wants to go to England in my book murder is more serious then rape and the girl was not raped the mudrerer told me he had seen Martin in his underpants and the girl was in clothes and had either drunkardly fallen down and that is when she yelled for help.

The murderer came a running according to him and stabbed Martin then.

I do not see Rape thats what he toldme tonight so he can not say they were as he did not see marten pennetrating her.

why did they run? If she was raped she should of went to the policeand then immediatly to the dr. for dna sampling of semen, hair and follicle collection and then the coronar should of gotten the same from Martin.

did she have semen in her vagina samples semen lives up to 72 hours.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #75 on: March 28, 2009, 04:45:25 am »
I have heard alot of chika chika here and I know and understand it is the culture to talk rude and say wrong to bring some one down.

Oh' I have had my fair share of being around Filipino men here who think their dung does not stink!

I get many offers but all are turned down.

I am just a nice person straight to the point and latley running on emotion.

I need to go to sleep I am cross and crankyola

Respect for many has gone out the door a long time a go for many.

People who pray need to practice what they pray for and work for it.

Do not pray and then ten minutes later your doing something of an act against god!

Thats were i get senstive here.

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« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2009, 08:00:56 am »
Yes, it's prudent to avoid righteous indignation over the indiscretions of others.  There are very few people with a clean record, and that goes for the holiest of men too.


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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2009, 08:07:43 am »
Hi Precious,

Rape will not justify murder. Murder will not even justify another murder.

I do not condone the rudeness of the locals. Not flushing toilets and cutting in on people are rude anywhere, whether in Bohol, Liverpool or Saudi Arabia.

But try kissing a woman who is not your wife in public in Riyadh. I recall this headline bannered by Telegraph last year

British couple jailed for sex on Dubai beach
A British couple have been jailed for three months for having sex on a beach in Dubai.
By Ben Leach
Last Updated: 1:33PM BST 16 Oct 2008

I do not wish to obfuscate the issue, which is Martin's murder, a truly sad, regrettable incident for which the culprit has to be prosecuted.

I am just pointing out some foreigners' behavior that may predispose them to be victims of such horrendous crime.

As I live in a foreign land, I myself try to be mindful of the local sensibilities. Society's standards for acceptable sexual behavior are widely at variance. Because you bought sex from a poor local woman simply adds insult to the injury. It makes the behavior predatory.

I gather from what you are saying that the 16-year old female teenager claims to have been a victim of sexual assault by Martin, which was in progress at the time the other minor boy heard the commotion. She was a minor. To paraphrase you, she did not look good enough either for decent sex nor for rape. The place where the sexual act was supposed to have happened was a public place, a spring, where other people could come anytime. Martin was supposed to attend a court hearing that day on sex-related charges. The night before, he checked into the inn to be on time for the court hearing. And the hotel staff testified that he habitually brought in women there.

Too many trumped-up charges from too many different people. Buotan, I cannot contest a good friend's testimony. I just really wished Martin stayed out of harm's way. Murder is such a horrible way to die. The road is too wide for anyone not to see it coming.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2009, 08:10:30 am »
To Priscilla,

Thank you so much for keeping us updated on this, am really shocked by this event. I hope justice will be served effectively. Please extend my sincere condolences to Martin's Family.

May the good Lord grant him peace and absolution.

God Bless you all~
Please take care of yourself.


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« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2009, 08:32:56 am »
Yes, it's prudent to avoid righteous indignation over the indiscretions of others.  There are very few people with a clean record, and that goes for the holiest of men too.

Hi Ben,

If you're alluding to me, it's not my intention to pontificate.

I am not even talking about sexual morality here. I just wanted to add to your list of practical precautions for foreigners to stay out of harm's way and enjoy life in Bohol.

1. Do not drive flashy cars.

2. A man should avoid the company of two or more local women in public places (especially if, to quote Precy, they don't look good enough for decent sex nor for rape).

3. The best and safest place to do it is in a private place, and try to make sure she signed a letter of consent if she is not your wife or girlfriend. (By the way, a dollar in her wallet nor a receipt of a mobile phone bought for her is not a sign of consent, to clarify Precy's earlier remark.)

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