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« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2009, 03:31:49 PM »
reassign them in Basilan para ibala ug canyon.
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« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2009, 04:02:13 PM »
The accounts don't add up. They raise more questions than answers.

Initial investigation indicates that this was a random incident, perpetrated by a pair of minors, who are just high school students. An ID card found among the bloody litter led to this important piece of information. A verbal altercation was supposed to have preceded the violence that resulted in 14 stab wounds.

What would provoke minors to such intensity of rage that they would fell a bigger man with vicious stab wounds? My doubt all boils down to the insufficiency of motive.

Was this part of the strategy of the mastermind, given that juveniles cannot be thrown the book in the court of law?

Bohol Chronicle states that the rap against Martin consisted of two rape cases, one of which was due to be heard the day his body was discovered. But his friends say Martin was a good man, and could not have possibly perpertrated the crime.

Our very own Precious here reports two previous attempts to Martin's life, one by gun and the other by poison. Why didn't the police treat these serious attempts to his life seriously by conducting an investigation?

Given the myriad questions, I really pray that this case will not just be filed among the unsolved cases.

Or "mysterious Bohol" will soon owe this name not to its unfathomable beauty, but to unsolved crimes due to inept law enforcement.




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« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2009, 08:11:40 PM »
nah nakabati kog storya nga barato man lang daw ang gun for hire diri sa Bohol 5,000 pesos go na daw...kakuyaw ba

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« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2009, 08:32:46 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2009, 09:31:41 PM »
That was hearsay from various people in the Barangay.  PnP has the full story.

The only sage thing to say about keeping safe for foreigners who come here and marry: check out your future in-laws.  You are not only marrying a person, but an entire extended family.  If they are demanding or rude then run, no matter how much you love your fiancee.


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« Reply #65 on: March 27, 2009, 10:05:50 PM »

Two Rape charges are very serious crime againts our Boholanas, And he still roaming around scatch free from the time of his murder, preying on young girls as his next victims. Is he supposed to be in jail, rape is a heinous crime in the Philippines. Marten is on bailed-out, as he can afford to hire a Lawyer. What about those two Boholanas who cannot afford a lawyer. Their families will get even in any ways.

As security guard testified he always check-in with different girls in a hotel. Thats make him a good person. I don't think so, Beside he using a pseudo name Martin Williams or a Martin Thornpe.

I like foreign Tourist to live in Bohol. But I don't like this kind of people preying on our young girls as sex slaves, because of poverty. Marry them and then abandoned later with their young child. And accused the family as leeches.

I like people to come marry our ladies, respect our tradition and culture, or religion. And live happily ever after. Enjoy Bohol as if its your own place.




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« Reply #66 on: March 27, 2009, 10:32:54 PM »
2 alleged rape cases
2 murder attempts
14 stab wounds

did i read it right?
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« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2009, 10:54:23 PM »

A person is innocent until proven guilty, so let's leave the sentence to the court. Unfortunately, I think the decision on the raps against Martin will no longer be heard. But the judgment on his murder case will certainly be a test if our justice system is working.

Nothing can justify murder. Still, Rald's reminder to foreigners is cautionary. Foreigners who live long term or permanently in Bohol should pay attention to local sensibilities. I myself sometimes observe the indifferent and even loud attitude of some foreigners in public places such as malls, and squirm at foreign men hanging out with a number of scantily clad and heavily made up local women. Such behavior is acceptable in liberal societies, but grates at the sensibilities of the locals.

What makes things worse is if the male kin of these women witness such scenes. Or if foreigners make gestures or behave towards local women in ways that may be acceptable in their societies, but not to the local community. To the locals, "rape" is not necessarily the consummation of a forcible sexual act, but can consist simply in the forcible or unexpected act of hugging a woman tightly or kissing her.

When the offense is committed against the poor, who have no means to get even in court, they may just take the law into their hands.

With due respect to the deceased, I do not want to pre-judge Martin. But to dismiss the number of local testimonies on his liberal behavior towards women would be to summarily accuse these unrelated, disinterested witnesses of malicious collaboration. Martin just has too many knots in his local relationships--in-laws, women, police, local men--for him to continue to take for granted his personal safety and indifferent behavior.

I believe increased consideration for the local sensibilities will help diminish these fatal flashpoints to our mutual relationship.


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« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2009, 11:01:21 PM »
A person is innocent until proven guilty[/i], so let's leave the sentence to the court. Unfortunately, I think the decision on the raps against Martin will no longer be heard. But the judgment on his murder case will certainly be a test if our justice system is working.

Nothing can justify murder. Still, Rald's reminder to foreigners is cautionary. Foreigners who live long term or permanently in Bohol should pay attention to local sensibilities. I myself sometimes observe the indifferent and even loud attitude of some foreigners in public places such as malls, and squirm at foreign men hanging out with a number of scantily clad and heavily made up local women. Such behavior is acceptable in liberal societies, but grates at the sensibilities of the locals.

What makes things worse is if the male kin of these women witness such scenes. Or if foreigners make gestures or behave towards local women in ways that may be acceptable in their societies, but not to the local community. To the locals, "rape" is not necessarily the consummation of a forcible sexual act, but can consist simply in the forcible or unexpected act of hugging a woman tightly or kissing her.

When the offense is committed against the poor, who have no means to get even in court, they may just take the law into their hands.

I do not want to pre-judge Martin. But to dismiss the number of local testimonies on his liberal behavior with women would be to summarily accuse these unrelated, disinterested witnesses of corrobation. Martin just has too many knots in his local relationships--in-laws, women, police, local men--for him to continue to take for granted his personal safety and indifferent behavior.

I believe increased consideration for the local sensibilities will help diminish these fatal flashpoints to our mutual relationship.

 I agree with you Benny San, This is how to behaved in a foreign land as I'm foreigner here in a Muslim World that make them more sensitive than Us, in Bohol.

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« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2009, 11:09:26 PM »

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« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2009, 12:46:51 AM »
bitaw, maayo na lang kay naa c ben maghatag ug mga objective nga panan-aw, ral mada man gyud sa mga foreigner ang ilang mga pamatasan dire sa ato, pero kung kitang tua sa gawas tahod gyud ta sa ilang pamatasan.

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« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2009, 04:05:07 AM »
I think if the women did not ask always the foreign guys for money and other items when they put out maybe the guy could find a descent girl who is not always after what she can get because the Filipino man when he sleeps with the Filipina woman is she asking thousnds of pesos or for cell phones, or what ever as an exchange for sex.

Some guys who come here act like pigs yes I admit that about white guys I am not like that of some filipino who dennies what bad things my race is doing!

Also Filipino men are player's big time from any profession and not just Filipino men all over the world but that does not justify killing anyone.

besides manners what manners are you talking about?

seeing toilets not flushed, cutting in on people in line, oh it happens here to me alot and I say something like your rude, and do not do it again.

What do you mean bad habits?
I am  foreign woman here and please do not say I have bad manner's when in fact so many things here are done just the opposite of what i was told not to do as a kid.

Martin was BUOTAN kaayo!

I knew him in person as a freind did you?


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« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2009, 04:22:52 AM »

Priscilla I'm thankful that you are here making positive statement on a foreigner point of view.

But to be factual what really started this event. We tried to dig deeper on the situation according to your statement. We don't condemned Martin as Sexual predator. But we based our observation on the events that lead to murder.

For me a boutan kaayo stay in the house and take care of his family. Check-in a hotel with a lady witness because he might missed his appointment with his lawyer, I don't take this kind of alibi. Because, Tawala is just twenty minutes drive to Tagbilaran City.

I hope justice will prevail and We shall find peace in forgiveness.



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« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2009, 04:29:55 AM »
The family and freinds of Martin tonight I responded to two very lengthy and long emails one from a neice and one from his brother.

I had said things to his family that are private as I had spoke to the 18 year old murderer last night in his jail.

I also seen the girl who is 16 and her mom and her freind wth Atty. Zamora at the fiscals office.

If i am a foreigner and seein how her freind behaives and how they were dressed and how tough they think they are and actted and how they looked was not any cream of the crop for anyone to attempt either descent sex with or rape.

Very dirty and rough looking as like hard up!

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« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2009, 04:37:54 AM »
I do remember NIcole crying wolf for a going to America and oh my g*** after she supposedly had been raped by a navy man

Maybe the victim wants to go to England in my book murder is more serious then rape and the girl was not raped the mudrerer told me he had seen Martin in his underpants and the girl was in clothes and had either drunkardly fallen down and that is when she yelled for help.

The murderer came a running according to him and stabbed Martin then.

I do not see Rape thats what he toldme tonight so he can not say they were as he did not see marten pennetrating her.

why did they run? If she was raped she should of went to the policeand then immediatly to the dr. for dna sampling of semen, hair and follicle collection and then the coronar should of gotten the same from Martin.

did she have semen in her vagina samples semen lives up to 72 hours.


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« Reply #75 on: March 28, 2009, 04:45:25 AM »
I have heard alot of chika chika here and I know and understand it is the culture to talk rude and say wrong to bring some one down.

Oh' I have had my fair share of being around Filipino men here who think their dung does not stink!

I get many offers but all are turned down.

I am just a nice person straight to the point and latley running on emotion.

I need to go to sleep I am cross and crankyola

Respect for many has gone out the door a long time a go for many.

People who pray need to practice what they pray for and work for it.

Do not pray and then ten minutes later your doing something of an act against god!

Thats were i get senstive here.

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« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2009, 08:00:56 AM »
Yes, it's prudent to avoid righteous indignation over the indiscretions of others.  There are very few people with a clean record, and that goes for the holiest of men too.

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« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2009, 08:07:43 AM »
Hi Precious,

Rape will not justify murder. Murder will not even justify another murder.

I do not condone the rudeness of the locals. Not flushing toilets and cutting in on people are rude anywhere, whether in Bohol, Liverpool or Saudi Arabia.

But try kissing a woman who is not your wife in public in Riyadh. I recall this headline bannered by Telegraph last year

British couple jailed for sex on Dubai beach
A British couple have been jailed for three months for having sex on a beach in Dubai.
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Last Updated: 1:33PM BST 16 Oct 2008

I do not wish to obfuscate the issue, which is Martin's murder, a truly sad, regrettable incident for which the culprit has to be prosecuted.

I am just pointing out some foreigners' behavior that may predispose them to be victims of such horrendous crime.

As I live in a foreign land, I myself try to be mindful of the local sensibilities. Society's standards for acceptable sexual behavior are widely at variance. Because you bought sex from a poor local woman simply adds insult to the injury. It makes the behavior predatory.

I gather from what you are saying that the 16-year old female teenager claims to have been a victim of sexual assault by Martin, which was in progress at the time the other minor boy heard the commotion. She was a minor. To paraphrase you, she did not look good enough either for decent sex nor for rape. The place where the sexual act was supposed to have happened was a public place, a spring, where other people could come anytime. Martin was supposed to attend a court hearing that day on sex-related charges. The night before, he checked into the inn to be on time for the court hearing. And the hotel staff testified that he habitually brought in women there.

Too many trumped-up charges from too many different people. Buotan, I cannot contest a good friend's testimony. I just really wished Martin stayed out of harm's way. Murder is such a horrible way to die. The road is too wide for anyone not to see it coming.



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« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2009, 08:10:30 AM »
To Priscilla,

Thank you so much for keeping us updated on this, am really shocked by this event. I hope justice will be served effectively. Please extend my sincere condolences to Martin's Family.

May the good Lord grant him peace and absolution.

God Bless you all~
Please take care of yourself.


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« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2009, 08:32:56 AM »

Hi Ben,

If you're alluding to me, it's not my intention to pontificate.

I am not even talking about sexual morality here. I just wanted to add to your list of practical precautions for foreigners to stay out of harm's way and enjoy life in Bohol.

1. Do not drive flashy cars.

2. A man should avoid the company of two or more local women in public places (especially if, to quote Precy, they don't look good enough for decent sex nor for rape).

3. The best and safest place to do it is in a private place, and try to make sure she signed a letter of consent if she is not your wife or girlfriend. (By the way, a dollar in her wallet nor a receipt of a mobile phone bought for her is not a sign of consent, to clarify Precy's earlier remark.)



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