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« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2011, 10:35:47 AM »

Mao nay imong panghuna-huna... pero lahi na si gihuna-huna ni Gen. Douglas MacArthur ug Gen. Jonathan Wainwright. Kining duha ka heneral nga amerkano giila nila ang pagka-bayani ni Marcos panahon sa gira mao nga niadtong 1942 gipasidunggan si Marcos ug mga medalya. Daghang medalya nga pasidungog ni Marcos sa kainitan sa gira. Girekomenda pa siya ni Gen. Wainwright sa Congressional Medal of Honor sa Amerika. Kini ang kinatas-an nga medalya para sa sundalo sa Amerika.

Akong gitahud ang imong panghuna-huna nga sa imong sulti; "di jod siya bayani".

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« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2011, 11:27:48 AM »


I was once also an anti Marcos activist. I was at the MIA the time Ninoy Aquino was assassinated. I was there in the streets of Manila demonstrating against the government of Marcos... and at the same time I was employed with RFM a company owned by the Concepcions.

Since being an activist against Marcos my neighbor in Antipolo himself also an activist enrolled me to be a member of ATOM. The group of Butch Aquino who always led demonstrations and rallies against Marcos. While actively affiliated with the group I found out that most of the members are former students from UP, Ateneo, La Salle, UST and etc... etc... and at that time they are employed as junior managers of big companies in the Philippines. Like for example SMC, PMC, Nescafe, Baguio Oil and some of them are in the banks also having access to the Makati banking business who as anti Marcos the promoters of intrigues of a run in the bank. And for those who are in the production of prime commodities they managed production forecast.

My activities turned sour with them when I realized that these junior managers cum political activists were manipulating the production forecast of their companies. They knew when the production of a prime commodity is at low level. For example are pork, chicken, coffee, milk, rice and etc. When rice is forecasted at its low level these junior managers cum anti Marcos activists start to disseminate information that there will be a shortage of rice. The rich made it easy for them to buy by the sacks while the poor are left with nothing in the supermarket shelves thus creating an artificial rice shortage. There was no real crisis in a true sense of the word but these political activists cum junior managers created an artificial crisis. The same thing with other prime commodity products. The purpose is to make the people angry against Marcos.

Their medium of disseminating information to the people is the Pahayagang Malaya newspaper of Joe Burgos. Another anti Marcos newspaper.

During the time of Marcos the Philippines was exporting rice to other countries. Marcos established the Kadiwa Store where prime commodities for the poor were sold at a low price. And all over the country low prices of commodities were available and big business cannot easily jack up their prices. In order to afford maximum protection to consumers, prevent price manipulation and hoarding... the Price Stabilization Council was decreed by Marcos to increase its vigilance, particularly its price monitoring and enforcement.

 
The price of a liter of gasoline at the pump was pegged at a low price because Marcos subsidized oil companies through the Oil Price Stabilization Fund or OPSF. Therefore oil subsidy through the OPSF protected the country and cannot be hard hit if there is an oil crisis in the world.

The Economic Processing Zone Area or EPZA started in Bataan, Baguio city, Mactan Island, Cebu and Rizal province. The initial introduction into the Philippine market of Volkwagen Sakbayan, Mitsubishi Cimmaron, Ford Fiera and Toyota Tamaraw happened during the time of Marcos before any Asian country could start their own car industry. We started exporting Ford engines and spare parts to Australia and New Zealand. Right now, today, at the present time we are overtaken by Malaysia with their Proton car, In India with their Tata car and Ford Fiera is diverted and improved in Indonesia. 

All these developments happened because Marcos put regulations in the running of the government and for the interest of all Filipinos. Big business interest and politicians were antagonistic of what Marcos did. Marcos cannot have the best of both worlds... either he'll love the influential media, the Manila elite, politicians and big business or despise the people. Marcos chose to protect the people... which is why he was toppled from power.

When the media started to demonize Marcos as a thief and a dictator trusting that their propaganda can easily be absorbed by the gullibility of the people they didn't realize that a plot was hatched to restore the power of big business and corrupt politicians.

After Marcos everything he did for the interest of the people were gone. The PSC, OPSF, Kadiwa Center... etc... etc... were abolished by the new government. The Ministry of Energy was also abolished plunging Manila and the nearby provinces into complete darkness.

Who do you think be blamed for this economic disaster and flight of capital away from our country... Marcos? He was the one who started the development and is he also the one to drive them out? That makes it ridiculous and absurdly contrary to reason. While Marcos ignited the industrialization of our country his political enemies destroyed the developments he established and put Filipinos as contract workers in the Middle East, domestic helps in Singapore and Hongkong and as usual our women are the more easy target for sex slaves to other countries.

The great bard, William Shakespeare, once wrote: "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones."

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« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2011, 11:37:13 AM »
naka anha baya tu si Macoy sa Tubigon kay iya gipangita katung nag tabang nya panahon sa gera.naka abot man diay na sya sa Tubigon atung panahonj sa hapon unya gitaguan sa Tubigon Tomas man siguro to ngalan.Maayo pa adto na lang sya ilubong sa Tubigon.para wala samok.Maayo pa gud si Marcos kay mahal niya mga Bol anon.Tungod pod ni Victor Nituda nga iya Secretary of Information.panahon ni Marcos abot abot mi ako mga classmate sa Manila ngita trabaho padala mig sulat ni Marcos abi namo dili basahon nakurat man me kay kami mga Bol anon nga misulat kay nagreply man sya para mag report sa work.wala ko mo adto kay gikuyawan man ko but im proud nga iya gibasa amo mga sulat.
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« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2011, 11:42:45 AM »


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« Reply #84 on: May 04, 2011, 12:31:10 PM »

Kan - Ogong, taga Tubigon ka? naa kabai nailhan nga Molat ang last name nga taga tubigon? just curious....

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« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2011, 01:49:17 PM »


the irony in the life of marcos is that he made his own life ironic.  there's no doubt about his sincerity when he ran for the top office of the land in the beginning.  along the way, he fell victim, or he allowed himself to be victimized, by the heady addiction of power, and ended up refusing to go down by whatever means.  he was a despot, no matter how we look at it, and like most other despots in the world, he wanted to keep power within his family.  the fact that he had a memo prepared for his wife to take over his presidency of the land is not a media invention, as we may know.

whatever wrong values were brought along by our colonizers have nothing to do with his decision to stay on and on and on.


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« Reply #86 on: May 04, 2011, 02:51:44 PM »

the philippine free press magazine has always been a critic of any wrongdoings of any administration, marcos’s or not, long before anyone of us here at tb was probably born.  it is not as if its opinion makers (the columnists) focused only on marcos’s time.  it did have more of marcos, because there was more to write about him considering the number of years he had stayed at malacañang.

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« Reply #87 on: May 04, 2011, 05:44:59 PM »

 our freedom"; which is wrong! Marcos did not create the situation to suppress our freedom. The situation was created by the NPA when they bombed the Liberal Party rally at Plaza Miranda. Marcos is a patriot and he did not want our country to be devoured by Communism which is an alien ideology to the Filipinos. He knows of a threat by the NPA, so he took a preemptive action ahead of the NPA by declaring Martial Law.

yes, marcos fought for the country’s freedom, the freedom from foreign domination, like thousands of other filipino soldiers during world war 2. 

when the philippine free press points out that he “contrived to suppress [that] freedom”, it meant that marcos took away the democratic freedom that was known by the filipino people, that freedom for which those soldiers both dead and living fought for during world war 2, first with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, then by martial law, and later by instituting constitutional change (through a rubber stamp constitutional convention) to continue to hold the reins of power. 

the bogeyman of communism was his most convenient reason then, from the plaza miranda bombing (as yet unsolved) to the supposed ambush of enrile (solved, with enrile admitting that it was plain drama).  even the assassination of benign aquino jr was at once blamed on the communists.

was the communists’ npa ever a threat to national security in the real sense of the word?  on hindsight, but for the usual government yarn then, the more threatening at the time was our own military that had more political power and better weapons than the ragtag npa, which didn’t have the support of the greater part of the population.  but the communists provided the marcos government with the best excuse to wield power sans check and balance.     

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« Reply #88 on: May 04, 2011, 07:19:59 PM »

heroes are deemed worthy of the name, so why should the article's writer still ask if he were worthy of the name when he can settle for simply asking whether he was a hero or not?  

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Now the complete idea of the PFF is written below.  

The PFF wrote:

"Nearly 200 congressmen have signed the resolution. Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr., son of the dictator, has been pressing since February for the burial among dead soldiers of his father, who, he says, was a war hero."

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Saying that his father is a hero... I think this is another invention of the PFF. Of course if Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has the evidence that his father is a hero... I think there's no need to blow his own trumpet... but let the record shows it!


yet trumpet ferdinand marcos jr did.  in fact, the reason why the whole family decided against burying marcos's body permanently elsewhere was because they themselves wanted him buried at the libingan ng mga bayani, all these years lobbying with political friends for support, and all these years insisting, trumpeting, that their family head was a hero.  and the family has the evidence, marcos's own account of his war exploits and the medals themselves.

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The PFF continues:

This was disputed during the campaign for the 1986 snap election. The dispute had to do with whether Marcos deserved all of the 27 war medals that he claimed he had earned. There were questions about the authenticity of those medals, but Marcos insisted they were authentic. The opposition couldn’t care less—the only thing that was in dispute was whether he deserved them all."

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The saying goes this way; "a fish is caught by its own mouth." In the same manner as the PFF saying that; "This was disputed [medals of Marcos] during the campaign for the 1986 snap election"... is like the PFF is caught by its own words. The dispute is clear that the Marcos political enemies are only taking the "medals" as the issue to denigrate him. It is my belief that Marcos deserves all the 27 war medals awarded to him.

isn't it that the pff only reported what was going on?  naturally, it was politics as usual.  it’s not as if we don’t know that political campaigns in our political culture will not always bear the mark of mutual mudslinging.  it wasn’t as if marcos and his minions didn’t undertake their own negative tirades against their political enemies.  remember the “walang alam” slogan against cory aquino?  there was, and there will always be, mutual denigration.

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According to Brig. Gen. Restituto Aguilar, historical consultant of the AFP Museum said; “Those who contest the authenticity of his medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”.  

spoken like a true functionary.  but of course, as a historical consultant he shouldn't take sides.  the statement does not in any way contradict either the truth or untruth of the authenticity of the medals.

meantime, when something is questioned, there must be some weakness in that thing.  your belief that marcos deserved all his 27 war medals must have some basis, such as your readings and your choice of what to believe in your readings.  that’s your right.  this is mine:  what are the bases for the doubts cast over marcos’s medals?  in general, some of the medals were earned or bestowed on him in accordance with his own reports and claims.  thus, the medals may be authentic but the reasons for their awarding could be fake.  (please note the qualifications of “may be” and “could be”.)

two examples stand out.  the u.s. army never acknowledged the existence of the guerrilla unit named “ang maharlika” and marcos was never rewarded for his claimed bravery at the battle of bessang pass.  consider this:

"Marcos’s daring war adventures first saw print in a 1948 magazine series.  The young lawyer supposedly had formed a 9,200-strong guerrilla group called Mga Maharlika (The Nobles) in North Luzon.  Unmindful of danger, he led more than 300 skirmishes with the mighty Japanese Imperial Army, for which he was decorated 27 times.  Thus did Marcos earn in 1947 a post in the Philippine commission that lobbied with the US for veterans’ benefits.   Riding on the daredevil acclaim, he handily won in 1949 a congressional seat.

If there were doubts then about Marcos’s claims, nobody said so aloud. Only in 1982 did war vets begin to murmur, when Marcos, ten years into his military rule, alleged himself to be the real hero of the Battle of Bessang Pass.  Overrunning the gorge was vital to the US Army’s pursuit of General Yamashita in the Cordillera Range.  Marcos mentioned General Volkmann as confiding that Yamashita almost surrendered to the Maharlika guerrillas.  War historians grumbled, for nowhere was Marcos near the battleground."


From GOTCHA By Jarius Bondoc (The Philippine Star) , April 08, 2011 12:00 AM
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« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2011, 09:28:39 AM »

islander wrote:

"the irony in the life of marcos is that he made his own life ironic.  there's no doubt about his sincerity when he ran for the top office of the land in the beginning.  along the way, he fell victim, or he allowed himself to be victimized, by the heady addiction of power, and ended up refusing to go down by whatever means. he was a despot, no matter how we look at it, and like most other despots in the world, he wanted to keep power within his family."

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This is also the irony if we believe too much of the newpapers who cast aspersion and bias opinion against Marcos. If you have no doubt in his sincerity of running for the highest office of the land then it's not addiction. His declaration of Martial Law was to save the Philippines from communist despotism. In 1972 it's either Marcos dictatorship or communist despotism.

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"the fact that he had a memo prepared for his wife to take over his presidency of the land is not a media invention, as we may know."

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It's a media invention and there is no memo of that kind. I think the government introduced by Marcos is new to us and most do not understand how it works. We are being misled by the media that if Marcos dies Imelda will take over. No... it is not that way a parliamentary system works. Cesar Virata who was the prime minister will call for an election.

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"whatever wrong values were brought along by our colonizers have nothing to do with his decision to stay on and on and on."

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It was not his decision to stay on forever. He was elected by the people.

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« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2011, 10:33:58 AM »
hehehe...unsa mai imong ika sulti sa SNAP ELECTION, pildi pero gusto pa magpabilin sa pwesto? ngutana lang!

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« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2011, 11:13:20 AM »

islander wrote:

"the philippine free press magazine has always been a critic of any wrongdoings of any administration, marcos’s or not, long before anyone of us here at tb was probably born.  it is not as if its opinion makers (the columnists) focused only on marcos’s time.  it did have more of marcos, because there was more to write about him considering the number of years he had stayed at malacañang."

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The PFP should understand that publishing the "truth is always an overmatch" for lies and falsehood. But like the Philippine Free Press whether the disputed issue is a lie doesn't matter as long as contending parties pay the PFP well. The ethical point here is to rectify what had been published as lies and falsehood. But not for the PFP!

Before Martial Law when Ninoy Aquino's popularity as a critic of Marcos got hold of dossiers pertaining to Muslims massacred [This was known as the Jabidah Massacre.] by the military in Corregidor the PFP and other anti Marcos newspapers bannered the story without even bothering to investigate whether there is truth to their story. Ninoy in a privilege speech spoke of a massacre in congress and that a certain recruit named Arula who survived the massacre was picked up by fishermen in Manila Bay. This was not true and Ninoy believing his own lies went to Sulo to inquire about the person Arula after his speech in congress and he cannot find such a person.

Marcos allegedly signed an approval to recruit Muslims to be trained clandestinely by the military to sabotage Sabah. In an act of treachery in the person of Ninoy; he divulged to the world of a massacre of muslim in Corregidor. The story of a massacre was a myth creating a crisis for the Philippines when the Australian and the New Zealand navies were deployed right in front of Palawan in defense of Malaysia... an ally in the British commonwealth. The British deployed also the Gurkha Fighters in Sabah to help Malaysia in case the Philippines invade Sabah or North Borneo.

The Philippine government apologized to the Malaysian and the British Commonwealth saying that it was only part of the free rolling Philippine press. But the PFP and other anti Marcos newspapers never rectify their story.

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« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2011, 01:25:19 PM »


islander wrote: 

"when the philippine free press points out that he “contrived to suppress [that] freedom”, it meant that marcos took away the democratic freedom that was known by the filipino people, that freedom for which those soldiers both dead and living fought for during world war 2,..."

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I think you are wrong. He did not contrive to suppress our freedom but the communists did. The bombing of Plaza Miranda created the situation as attested to by Cor. Victor Corpuz... after the fall of Marcos when he returned to his unit in the AFP. Ex senator Jovito Salonga a political opponent of Marcos accused him as the mastermind in the Plaza Miranda bombing; but after listening to accounts of the bombing by former communists Romulo Kintanar who returned to the fold of the law saying that; Plaza Miranda bombing was the brainchild of the communists... he [Salonga] stops his accusation.

By the way... Romulo Kintanar was executed by the Ka Rosal liquidation squad being a traitor to the communist cause.

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"first with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, then by martial law, and later by instituting constitutional change (through a rubber stamp constitutional convention) to continue to hold the reins of power."

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The writ of habeas corpus was suspended because Marcos knew about the Plaza Miranda bombing through intelligence reports that it was a prelude of things worse to come. The landing of arms shipment from China aboard M/V Karagatan off the coast of Degoyo Pt. in Luzon was one factor in the declaration of Martial Law. Here is an excerpt of a book narated by a crew member of M/V Karagatan named Ka Terry reported by Jo Clemente of the Inquirer;

"WE STAYED for 10 days at the Chinese naval base playing basketball while they took care of our fishing vessel and loaded boxes of M-14 rifles and ammunitions. In between, we were taught how to use the AK-47 and the anti-aircraft launcher. That could have been the next shipment."

That was Ka Terry speaking in flawless Kapampangan as he described their brief stay in China in 1972. He was part of the crew of the MV Karagatan, the vessel that was tasked with delivering arms for the underground New People's Army in the Philippines.

Ka Terry is now 51 years old.

islander wrote: 

the bogeyman of communism was his most convenient reason then, from the plaza miranda bombing (as yet unsolved) to the supposed ambush of enrile (solved, with enrile admitting that it was plain drama).  even the assassination of benign aquino jr was at once blamed on the communists.

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Bogeyman? hehehe... I think this is the usual terminology of the Marcos critics to discredit Martial Law.

And one thing I can say about Enrile is that; when his life was already in danger during his defiance against Marcos and to attract sympathy from the people he invented a story that his "ambush" was staged by Marcos. His story is unbelievable because it was done at the time when he rebelled against his boss Marcos. If it is for the sake of the people... he should have divulged it long time ago.

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"was the communists’ npa ever a threat to national security in the real sense of the word? on hindsight, but for the usual government yarn then, the more threatening at the time was our own military that had more political power and better weapons than the ragtag npa, which didn’t have the support of the greater part of the population.  but the communists provided the marcos government with the best excuse to wield power sans check and balance."

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Yes. The CPP-NPA currently poses the greatest armed threat to the Philippine government and has the widest grass-roots support among the various Philippine leftist insurgent groups. The conflict between the CPP-NPA and the Philippine government has taken thousands of lives since the NPA’s inception. The peace talks between the NDF and the government is going nowhere.

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"heroes are deemed worthy of the name, so why should the article's writer still ask if he were worthy of the name when he can settle for simply asking whether he was a hero or not?"

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You are right! "Heroes are deemed worthy of the name." Other people think he is not worth the name of a hero. But honorable men like Gen. Jonathan Wainwright and Gen. Douglas MacArthur think otherwise. They believed Marcos is a hero by honoring him [Marcos] with war medals. These war medals were awarded to Marcos at the time when the war in the Philippines was raging in 1942. The US and Philippine governments never reported that those medals awarded to Marcos were fake medals. 

I for one agree with the 2 generals.

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Ang tanan ba nga gilubong sa Libingan nga mga bayani, mga bayani, dili?...,  bisan ug kinsa? So, why not bury Marcos there.
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« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2011, 02:29:51 PM »

islander wrote:

"yet trumpet ferdinand marcos jr did.  in fact, the reason why the whole family decided against burying marcos's body permanently elsewhere was because they themselves wanted him buried at the libingan ng mga bayani, all these years lobbying with political friends for support, and all these years insisting, trumpeting, that their family head was a hero.  and the family has the evidence, marcos's own account of his war exploits and the medals themselves."

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That is your opinion and I respect it. But the reason why the Marcos family wanted him [Marcos] buried in the Libingan and not elsewhere is because Marcos qualified in 4 categories for burial in the Libingan.

Here are his qualification;

1. He is a recipient of 27 genuine war medals awarded to him in 1942 by Gen. Jonathan Wainwright and Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

2. He is an awardee of the Philippine highest award to a soldier. The congressional medal of valor.

3. He was once the president of the Philippines.

4. He served in the government as secretary of National Defense.

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« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2011, 03:01:41 PM »

islander wrote:

"isn't it that the pff only reported what was going on?  naturally, it was politics as usual.  it’s not as if we don’t know that political campaigns in our political culture will not always bear the mark of mutual mudslinging.  it wasn’t as if marcos and his minions didn’t undertake their own negative tirades against their political enemies.  remember the “walang alam” slogan against cory aquino?  there was, and there will always be, mutual denigration."

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Thanks for your opinion. After all the exchanges of views you admitted that; "naturally, it was politics as usual." I agree! Hehehe...

It's not only the smears and mudslinging but the hate against Marcos and I will also include Erap lingers on... because this is drawn in our political culture of putting down a political adversary. The denigration as you say is very clear and the case of Cory Aquino dubbed as "walang alam" is like the issue attributed to Erap as only an actor. Cory Aquino is no push over when it comes to her education but the "walang alam" is a derision of her in-experience in politics.

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That was Ka Terry speaking in flawless Kapampangan as he described their brief stay in China in 1972.[/b] He was part of the crew of the MV Karagatan, the vessel that was tasked with delivering arms for the underground New People's Army in the Philippines.

Ka Terry is now 51 years old.

If Ka Terry is 51 now, he was 12 in 1972. Hmm, precocious kid...

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...and he was driven out by the people.

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islander wrote:

"spoken like a true functionary.  but of course, as a historical consultant he shouldn't take sides.  the statement does not in any way contradict either the truth or untruth of the authenticity of the medals."

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Gen. Restituto Aguilar is an historical consultant of the AFP Museum... his bias is because he is hired by the government of the Philippines. He has in his possession facts to the authencity of the Marcos medals. Which is why he said; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”.

You see... any person who disagree to the genuineness of the Marcos medals are welcomed to contest but must have proof to substantiate their claim.

The issue about the Marcos medals saw print in We-Forum of Joe Burgos Jr. written sometimes in the early 1980's by former governor of Sorsogon Bonifacio Gillego... and until now the issue remains in the newspaper. Nobody dared to question those medals in a higher venue other than the media or proof to the contrary that Marcos is an impostor during the war. The truth is; there is no proof to substantiate claims in the media that the Marcos medals are fake. Everything against the exploit of Marcos during WW-II is purely mudslinging. "Naturally politics is playing as usual."       

islander wrote:

"meantime, when something is questioned, there must be some weakness in that thing."

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Not necessarily. The things that is questioned by the media are the Marcos medals... and some people just swallow it hook, line and sinker. This not strange because there are lots of gullible people around. To show strenght of their claims they should show proof. According to the Philippine government through Gen. Restituto Aguilar; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”. Until now nobody shows up to contest the Marcos medals. 

islander wrote:   

"your belief that marcos deserved all his 27 war medals must have some basis, such as your readings and your choice of what to believe in your readings.  that’s your right."

Reply:

Of course! It's not only a belief but it's a fact of history that Marcos was awarded these medals during WW-II.

islander wrote:

"this is mine:  what are the bases for the doubts cast over marcos’s medals?  in general, some of the medals were earned or bestowed on him in accordance with his own reports and claims.  thus, the medals may be authentic but the reasons for their awarding could be fake.  (please note the qualifications of “may be” and “could be”.)"

Reply:

Actually the doubts come from baseless accusation. Devoid of any iota of evidence. The bases for the doubters comes from; "naturally, it was politics as usual." This is straight from the horse's mouth.

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