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Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« on: February 16, 2011, 06:33:33 PM »
President Benigno S. Aquino III said Wednesday he leaves it up to the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) or another official to decide on the transfer of the remains of former President Ferdinand E. Marcos to the Libingan ng mga Bayani (Heroes' Cemetery) in Taguig City.

Aquino said this after a command conference at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City amid fresh calls for the late former dictator to be buried in a heroes' cemetery.

The President indicated he is removing himself from the long divisive issue due to his parent's historic battle with the late strongman.

Former President Marcos was ousted in a 1986 "people power" revolt led by the President Aquino's late mother, pro-democracy icon Corazon Aquino.

Mr. Marcos died three years later in exile in Hawaii and his body was flown back in 1993 to his northern Philippine hometown of Batac, where it has been displayed in a glass coffin and has become a tourist attraction.

The recent burial of former military chief Gen. Angelo Reyes at the heroes' cemetery, which is reserved for soldiers, presidents, statesmen and national artists, revived questions on whether Marcos should be similarly honored.

Asked by reporters if he will allow that, President Aquino said that he did not want to make that decision but would instead delegate it to another official, whom he did not immediately identify.

"Whatever I say will be biased," Aquino said at the press briefing in Camp Aguinaldo. "I will let somebody who has less personal attachment to decide on it," he added. (PNA)

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2011, 05:03:10 PM »
"There's no enmity, it simply doesn't exist. There's nothing to go away, to take away, or diminish. We don't know each other well enough to like or dislike one another," said by Bong Bong Marcos

dapat matagal na.. he deserves to be there that late Angelo Reyes..

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 05:40:56 PM »
The recent burial of former military chief Gen. Angelo Reyes at the heroes' cemetery, which is reserved for soldiers, presidents, statesmen and national artists, revived questions on whether Marcos should be similarly honored.

Asked by reporters if he will allow that, President Aquino said that he did not want to make that decision but would instead delegate it to another official, whom he did not immediately identify.

Hmm. Laing opisyal ang iyang pasultion sa iyang desisyon?  ;D

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 05:41:37 PM »
Absolutely  NO for me, can we consider a person hero if he was toppled by the sovereign people because of his cruel, tyrannic, bloody and corrupt administration? Unsa man nato pag reconcile sa EDSA one ug sa pagkahero ni fernidand marcos? kataw-an tas mga kaapohan nato ani. 

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 05:47:25 PM »
Hmm. Laing opisyal ang iyang pasultion sa iyang desisyon?  ;D

timaang gid ba na indi gid siyang mkadisisyom, sang mga singsitib sitwisyom?

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 05:50:04 PM »
Para naho dili pud ko. Ngano man? Is it one of the signs that the Filipino people have accepted as a country the tradition of corruption?  :P

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 05:54:07 PM »


para sang akon tugot ko gid
pode gid ilibing sang libingang sang bayani pagbutangang lang gid "am nat a hiro layk dim"

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 06:18:09 PM »

para sang akon tugot ko gid
pode gid ilibing sang libingang sang bayani pagbutangang lang gid "am nat a hiro layk dim"

Hmm. Unsa man, "am nat a hiro layk dim bikos am a sopirhiro"?  ;D

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 02:26:57 PM »
Bisan gani ang anino lang sa lungon ni Marcos
dili angayan makalabay sa Libingan ng mga Bayani,
unsa pa kaha nga ilubong didto?

BASIN MOBANGON ANG MGA PATAY UG MAMALHIN
SA LOYOLA MEMORIAL PARK !!! OR SA LUNETA BA KAHA,
MOTAPAD NI TOTO JOSE RIZAL.

PAKAULAW LANG NA SI BONGBONG MARCOS.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 05:05:19 PM »
Di mauwaw kay sobra kabaga ang nawong.  >:(



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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 05:13:06 PM »
Di mauwaw kay sobra kabaga ang nawong.  >:(



kobalan na gid nawong nila man  :-[

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2011, 05:50:03 PM »
kobalan na gid nawong nila man  :-[

Indi na gid dultan sang huya haw, manugriplik lang ang hambal sang tao...  :P



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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2011, 10:58:51 PM »
Indi na gid dultan sang huya haw, manugriplik lang ang hambal sang tao...  :P



may ara gid sila taming sang olo daw hrlmit sang romanhong songdalo, matig-a gid sama sang balitprop


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 12:41:10 AM »
Di mauwaw kay sobra kabaga ang nawong.  >:(



Mao. Ang ahong pagtan-aw aning mga Marcoses, they are completely convinced until now that they have done good things to the country during the Marcos' patriarch time. Ug mas nindot kono unta nga sila gihapon ang nagduma sa Pilipinas.

Pwe!  >:(

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 06:45:06 AM »
may ara gid sila taming sang olo daw hrlmit sang romanhong songdalo, matig-a gid sama sang balitprop

Bason pud anggid sang hrlmit sang stormtrooper ang balitprop nga taming nila haw...



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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 06:46:12 AM »
Mao. Ang ahong pagtan-aw aning mga Marcoses, they are completely convinced until now that they have done good things to the country during the Marcos' patriarch time. Ug mas nindot kono unta nga sila gihapon ang nagduma sa Pilipinas.

Pwe!  >:(

The delusion lives on...  >:(



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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2011, 04:19:47 PM »
Bason pud anggid sang hrlmit sang stormtrooper ang balitprop nga taming nila haw...





sopistikitid boltis payb litis hilmit indi gid manogdoklan  :-[




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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2011, 08:42:02 PM »
Mas kublan gid si Masinggarsi...





 8)



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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2011, 06:05:21 PM »
Mas kublan gid si Masinggarsi...





 8)



nomdom ko sang ona hang tsirt ko gid masingirsi

 ;D

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2011, 06:07:36 PM »
nomdom ko sang ona hang tsirt ko gid masingirsi

 ;D

Wala pa gid manugsikat si Ultraman sang Pinas noon haw...



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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 08:33:30 PM »
Wala pa gid manugsikat si Ultraman sang Pinas noon haw...



waay pa gid sang unang panahong ni limahong panahong sang hapong mahilig mag kaong kaong sudang hang amahong

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 09:05:16 PM »
Kag ang amahong ginagparesang sang tinughong...



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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2011, 05:43:25 PM »
tinoghong (tinohog na tahong) namit gid tamostamoson

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2011, 09:44:44 PM »
tinoghong (tinohog na tahong) namit gid tamostamoson

Ang tuhog gid man ang mismong manugtamostamos ya...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2011, 08:38:03 AM »

karon kay nahuman na man mog lamoy sa inyong tinoghong (mao ba niy rason nga wa na motumaw akong migong bolbs?  kay hangtod karon naungot pa ang tinoghong sa iyang tutunlan?), balik sa kong marcos ha?


Marcos burial resolution tears to shreds Edsa mandate

April 10, 2011

MANILA, Philippines—House Resolution No. 1135 seeking the burial of the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos at Libingan ng mga Bayani turned on its head the policy mandate of the 1986 Edsa People Power Revolution that toppled his 14-year dictatorship.

The resolution signed by 216 congressmen flagrantly defied the sovereign will of the people expressed by their uprising in the streets on Feb. 22-25, 1986, restoring democracy dismantled by Marcos when he declared martial law on Sept. 21, 1972.

The House move signaled the start of the campaign initiated by Marcos’ family and political heirs to restore the dictator’s political legacy through the burial of his body on the hallowed grounds of the heroes’ cemetery, according him the honors of a national hero.

This is all in defiance of the mandate of Edsa I.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2011, 08:39:55 AM »


The campaign to rehabilitate Marcos immediately whipped up a storm of controversy over the issue of the whether he deserved to be buried at the military cemetery, burial grounds of outstanding citizens of the Republic, including two past Presidents (Diosdado Macapagal and Carlos P. Garcia), military leaders and men of letters.

The charge against the House resolution was led by the powerful Catholic Church, which was the Marcos regime’s principal protagonist during the dictatorship.

The Catholic Educational Association of the Philippines (CEAP), the largest organized group of Catholic schools and institutions, issued a strongly worded statement on the commemoration of Araw ng Kagitingan, honoring Filipino soldiers who fought heroically to resist the superior force of Japanese invaders in Bataan 69 years ago.

The CEAP called on the congressmen who signed the House resolution to withdraw their signatures, warning them not to be part of the attempt to revise or falsify history. The statement bluntly said the resolution would “desecrate” Edsa I.

The organization pointedly denounced claims of Marcos supporters that he was a war hero as false, and went on to say that the massive corruption of the dictatorship sent the economy to its knees, turning the Philippines into the “sick man” of Asia.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2011, 08:41:53 AM »
Epic clash

HR 1131 triggered an epic clash over two great political traditions that have defined the themes of political discourse during the past 39 years.

The discourse is framed by the demolition of Philippine democracy and the establishment of a dictatorship in September 1972 and by the restoration of democracy with the Edsa People Power Revolution of February 1986.

For four decades, these traditions have marked the cleavage line along which Philippine politics has polarized.

Once again, the dictatorship-vs-democratic restoration paradigm has been forced up to the surface with the House initiative seeking the political rehabilitation of Marcos and legitimizing the the dictatorial legacy of his regime.

The House resolution was a sharp attack to overturn the doctrine that Edsa I ended the dictatorship. The revolution was an emphatic and direct exercise by the people of their sovereign right to change regimes.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2011, 08:45:32 AM »
Attack on mandate

No legislative act of elected representatives of the people in parliament can revoke that mandate of the Edsa People Power Revolution.

Thus, HR 1135 clearly contravenes the mandate of Edsa I to abolish the dictatorship and cannot be used by members of Congress to engineer the restoration of the Marcos dictatorial legacy and vindicate the regime with the flimsy argument that burying Marcos at Libingan ng mga Bayani would bring to a closure the dark episode of the dictatorship, promote national reconciliation and allow the country to “move on” toward national unity.

Those who signed the resolution are members of a political institution that was one of the first to be padlocked by Marcos when he declared martial law.

The lawmakers have also become the beneficiaries of a free and independent legislature that was restored by President Corazon Aquino in the wake of the l986 revolution.

And yet they are now at the forefront of the campaign to restore the legacy of the Marcos regime, ignoring in the process the fact that Edsa I was the charter of the abolition of the dictatorship and the restoration of Philippine democracy.

The congressmen are not in step with redemocratization. They are swimming against the historic tide of democratic restoration following Edsa I.

They are backsliding to the era when complicit parliament served as a rubber stamp of the dictatorship. The congressmen would find it hard to claim that their resolution represents the sentiment of the people in regard to Marcos’ rehabilitation.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2011, 08:48:04 AM »

No accountability

When the Philippines rejected the dictatorship in Edsa I, we didn’t make a clean break with a sordid past. Even with the restoration of democratic structures we have remained chained to the past.

Representatives of the people in Congress have been beguiled by the false argument that the rehabilitation of Marcos is an act of “statesmanship” that can throw wide open the gates of national reconciliation.

Under this approach, there is no recognition of accountability. There is no concession of wrongdoing and no expression of remorse for the plunder of public wealth and the deaths, disappearances and torture of victims in military “safe houses” of the dictatorship’s gulag system.

The Marcos heirs are back to positions of power and influence after free elections, flaunting their wealth, and mocking the Edsa People Power Revolution as if it never happened. There is no reconciliation without justice and no concession of guilt. The House resolution has torn to shreds the people power mandate that rejected the dictatorship.
 
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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2011, 08:52:55 AM »

it's because as voters we are idiots.  we put them there.

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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2011, 08:54:54 AM »

i won't be surprised if a minuscule portion of their massive wealth went to some legislators' hands to finance their next electoral campaign.  of course, no legislator in his right mind would admit this.  there are no proofs, anyway.

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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2011, 09:04:55 AM »

Epic clash

HR 1131 triggered an epic clash over two great political traditions that have defined the themes of political discourse during the past 39 years.

The discourse is framed by the demolition of Philippine democracy and the establishment of a dictatorship in September 1972 and by the restoration of democracy with the Edsa People Power Revolution of February 1986.

For four decades, these traditions have marked the cleavage line along which Philippine politics has polarized.

Once again, the dictatorship-vs-democratic restoration paradigm has been forced up to the surface with the House initiative seeking the political rehabilitation of Marcos and legitimizing the the dictatorial legacy of his regime.

The House resolution was a sharp attack to overturn the doctrine that Edsa I ended the dictatorship. The revolution was an emphatic and direct exercise by the people of their sovereign right to change regimes.

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This is worrisome. Buffeted as we are by disturbing developments overseas and at our doorstep, we can ill afford the distractions of a house divided.

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2011, 09:09:27 AM »

interesting.  the u.s. has H.R. 1135, but it's for waste disposal.

"To amend the Solid Waste Disposal Act to authorize Federal grants for the development of innovative recycling techniques." (HR 1135, US)


is our own hr 1135 a civilized way of waste disposal? :P

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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2011, 09:13:00 AM »

interesting.  the u.s. has H.R. 1135, but it's for waste disposal.

"To amend the Solid Waste Disposal Act to authorize Federal grants for the development of innovative recycling techniques." (HR 1135, US)


is our own hr 1135 a civilized way of waste disposal? :P

Hmm. An attempt at waste purification, obviously...

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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2011, 09:38:15 AM »
This is worrisome. Buffeted as we are by disturbing developments overseas and at our doorstep, we can ill afford the distractions of a house divided.

216 out of a maximum total of 250 congressmen supported hr 1135; a hands-down majority.

I WONDER HOW BOHOL'S CONGRESSMEN VOTED?  i couldn't find the list of signatories of this bill so far.

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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2011, 09:48:25 AM »

here's from the kids (they're just as concerned, after all):


Jejemons showing powerful hand signals they'll use to summon the former dictator (jejephoto from Crazy Jhenny)

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2011, 09:51:48 AM »
 
House Resolution to resurrect Marcos;
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Sunday, April 10, 2011


MANILA, Philippines--Prepare for doom.

A resolution signed by 216 lotus-eating Congressmen is seeking the resurrection of former dictator Ferdinand Edralin Marcos. House Resolution No. 1135 titled A Resolution to Summon the Dark Lord mandates all Philippine black magicians, warlocks, cult leaders, quack doctors, soothsayers, fortune tellers, tarot card readers, demigods, holy cows, jejemons, Beliebers, Ruben Ecleo Jr., RH Bill supporters, and all people impervious to reason and addicted to faith to join forces and pool powers to resurrect the dictator.

The lotus-eating Congressmen said that it is about time for the Philippines to become a tiger economy, and the only way to do that is to discipline the citizens first by way of iron hand.

"Only Ferdie has the guts to announce a martial law. Those who'll resist have two choices, either bend or break," the lotus eaters said.

The lotus eaters have already prepared a cheerful one-line speech that Ferdie is going to make as soon as he is resurrected.

"Good morning my countrymen! As of the twenty-third of this month, I signed Proclamation No. 1081 placing the entire Philippines under Martial Law! Have a nice day! :)"

Catholic Church leaders have told the public via radio sermons and holy mass that people should not be afraid, but instead fight the Dark Lord. The church has formulated a new and improved holy water, which comes in 5, 30 and 50ml spray bottles for only 30, 60, and 100 pesos respectively.

The new formula is said to be more concentrated and more powerful. It also comes in 5 different flavors such as mango, peach, lemon, apple and bagoong. Each bottle has been blessed and therefore has become a holier water.

To be able to fight the Dark Lord, the public is urged to get one bottle of holier water right now!


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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2011, 09:59:25 AM »
lol @ 'the dark lord'. Unsa man ni ? Pinoy version of Harry Potter's archnemesis , Valdemort? bwahahahaha.



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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2011, 10:00:07 AM »


Catholic Church leaders have told the public via radio sermons and holy mass that people should not be afraid, but instead fight the Dark Lord. The church has formulated a new and improved holy water, which comes in 5, 30 and 50ml spray bottles for only 30, 60, and 100 pesos respectively.

The new formula is said to be more concentrated and more powerful. It also comes in 5 different flavors such as mango, peach, lemon, apple and bagoong. Each bottle has been blessed and therefore has become a holier water.

To be able to fight the Dark Lord, the public is urged to get one bottle of holier water right now!


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this is so wrong on so many levels. :-X

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »

Bwahaha! A generous dose of humor really does wonders...

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2011, 01:23:56 PM »

this indeed is one h-e-l-l of a piece using a literary device (call it by whatever name; satire, parody, lampoon, etc.) written by young people.  and i thought they didn't care about politics!  (stupid me.  how could i forget that elsewhere they're making revolutions.)

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2011, 01:26:25 PM »
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Day of betrayal in Congress

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04/14/2011

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Five years later, it was time to physically remove Stalin from a place of honor. Khrushchev read a decree ordering the removal of Stalin’s remains. The decree said: “The further retention of the mausoleum of sarcophagus with the bier of J.V. Stalin shall be recognized as inappropriate since the serious violations by Stalin of Lenin’s precepts, abuse of power, mass repressions against honorable Soviet people, and other activities during the period of the personality cult make it impossible to leave the bier with his body in the mausoleum of V.I. Lenin.”

“A few days later, Stalin’s body was quietly removed from the the mausoleum,” said the article. “There were no ceremonies and no fanfare. About 300 feet from the mausoleum, Stalin’s body was buried near other minor leaders of the Revolution. His body was placed near the Kremlin wall, half-hidden by trees. A few weeks later, a simple dark granite stone marked the grave with the very simple identifying mark ‘J.V. Stalin, 1879-1953.’ In 1970, a small bust was added to the grave.”

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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2011, 01:31:10 PM »

The regime change after the end of the Stalin era of terror ushered in a period of political reform. Khrushchev never questioned Stalin’s role in turning back the German invasion at Stalingrad in World War II, and his status as a hero.

In the Philippines, we are taking a reverse process. The political heirs and family of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos are moving heaven and earth to reestablish the Marcos legacy after it had been overthrown by the people in the 1986 People Power Revolution. The Soviet people removed the physical monuments of the Stalinist personality cult in the campaign to exorcise the legacy of Stalin in their national memory. Here we have been doing the opposite. Instead of expunging the Marcos legacy, cohorts of the dictatorship are using the democratic institutions restored by the People Power Revolution as the staging ground to bring Marcos back to public adoration through the resolution in the House of Representatives petitioning the President to allow the burial of the Marcos remains in the cemetery of heroes.

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2011, 01:32:54 PM »

Stalin was an authentic Soviet war hero in the Patriotic War against the German invasion. Marcos’ heroic role in the resistance movement against the Japanese Occupation has been debunked as a monumental fraud.

The day 216 representatives signed HR 1135 seeking the burial Marcos as a national hero was a day of infamy in the post-Edsa Philippine democracy. Among other things, the Marcos regime is accused of the murder of several thousand Filipinos who opposed the dictatorship. Filipinos can never live down that day of betrayal by their representatives in Congress.


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« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2011, 01:37:02 PM »
Libingan: Home for the Glorious Dead
April 13, 2011

By Zosimo Literatus

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Glorious death, bringing honor to the country, fighting for the sake of freedom and democracy… These are the people who can claim to deserve burial in the Libingan. Not just any soldier, not just any president…

Lately, Rep. Salvador Escudero III (1st District, Sorsogon-UNO) filed House Resolution 1135 seeking to urge the administration of PNoy to allow the burial of the remains of late president and strongman Ferdinand Marcos at the Libingan. He justifies in the second paragraph that Marcos was a well-decorated veteran of World War II and a survivor of the Bataan Death March, two historical claims that remained controversial for its questionable veracity. Succeeding paragraphs rattled off his membership in Congress, his presidency and his accomplishments as the longest-reigning president in the country and commander-in-chief of the Philippine armed forces.

In paragraph 7, Escudero capped the list with a claim that Marcos “remained a Filipino patriot to the end of his life and in death deserves to be honored as such.”

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« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2011, 01:39:40 PM »

But this resolution purposefully mistated the fact that the Filipino who may have been a patriot ceased to be so at the end of his life. Among those ignominous deeds of his dictatorial rule, the latest one deserved the order of the Sandiganbayan to the heirs of the Marcos estate to return the P10 million that the former president had transferred from the National Food Authority (NFA) to a private account in Security Bank on 27 July 1983.

If after all these ignominous things in the history of Marcos regime qualify for deeds that give “glory of his death” and “fights for freedom and democracy” we may as well rename Libingan with something else. And perhaps relocate the remains of those patriots, presidents and heroes of glorious repute somewhere else.

Burying Marcos in Libingan will dishonor the memory of those whose lives were offered to the country with no thought of monetary compensation, the soldiers in Corrigedor and Bataan who had to survive with no food in order to fight off the Japanese forces. Compare that to the US$ 7.5 million of sequestered assets that the US Court awarded to almost 8,000 human rights victims during his martial rule, P10 million diverted money from NFA, and still more that the Philippine government has not uncovered.

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« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2011, 01:41:03 PM »

 Burying Marcos in Libingan will insult the memory of former president Carlos Garcia, who espoused the “Filipino First” policy, not “myself first” policy, in his administration.

Burying Marcos in Libingan will insult the memory of General Artemio Ricarte, the father of the Philippine Army, who never took an oath of allegiance to the occupying American forces since the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine-American War. Amidst the persecution he suffered from fellow Filipinos and the American forces, he chose to stay in the country to continue his fight, saying, “I can not take refuge in Japan at this critical moment when my people are in actual distress. I will stay in my Motherland to the last.” And he lost his life standing for his Motherland.

Burying Marcos in Libingan will insult our memory as Filipino people, especially the desaparecidos, who judged him as a scoundrel who put himself and his family before his country, and putting an end to his military-protected dictatorial rule, through the EDSA People Power Revolution in 1986.

Burying Marcos in Libingan will insult ourselves as a people. And Filipinos must demand an explanation from their district representatives who supported HR 1135 (click here for the list). It is time for the Filipinos take their stand for the indignity they suffered in the hands of the late dictator.

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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2011, 01:41:55 PM »

At the end of the day, the only way the Marcoses can redeem the honor of the deposed dictator is to have him indirectly declared a “hero” when his remains get buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani. Who can later on dispute that the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos was not a hero when he is buried at the Cemetery of Heroes? Thereafter, it is much easier to embellish history to honor the “heroism” of someone buried in the heroes’ cemetery.

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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2011, 08:59:35 PM »

Too bad that somewhere else in the world precious youth is wasted on ego-tripping...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2011, 04:12:51 PM »
Who sets the standard for a person to be proclaimed bayani? is a hero measurable? This issue is very old yet continued to exist because of the historical myths that surrounds the life of MArcos. The US govt already declared that the MAHARLIKA group allegedly formed and led by MArcos was a fraud...Isnt he a master of this? E.g The Tasaday issue which happen to be his pet project that fooled even the brightest and smartest scholars that time. Mas deserving pa yung naglililinis sa daan, ang mga balot vendors na naghahanap buhay ng maayos....WIll it make a difference if his body be buried there?


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« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2011, 10:48:41 PM »

just a squeak of an answer, junjun.  from the looks of it, it's the power elites who proclaim heroes nowadays.  it's probably their way of having the favor returned to them one day when they themselves or their kin wish to be proclaimed as heroes too, after plundering the country.

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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2011, 10:51:41 PM »
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‘Remembrancer’

By Juan Mercado
Philippine Daily Inquirer
04/09/2011

IN HIS column “Speak Memory,” Cebu Daily News’ Simeon Dumdum wrote wistfully of the need for a “Remembrancer,” an official of medieval times who jogged the memories of “barons” on pending matters.

The Remembrancer also hammered issues that the “nobles” preferred to forget, Dumdum, who is a Cebu Regional Trial Court judge, recalls. In the process, the Remembrancer squelched incipient tyrannies.

Like today’s House Resolution 1135?


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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2011, 10:54:11 PM »

Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and clan, together with Imelda Marcos, plus 210 other representatives, signed HR 1135. It badgers President Benigno Aquino III to allow a Libingan ng mga Bayani interment for the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

Communal amnesia would expunge all “New Society” crimes. “The Marcos family never expressed any remorse,” Inquirer’s Randy David points out. “They do not seek forgiveness.” They see HR 1135 “as a vindication of their innocence .…They want the nation to revise its remembrance of the past.”

Aquino, whose father was assassinated during the dictatorship, is asked to reverse the verdict of People Power. Also, it would shove, into an Orwellian memory shredder, various crimes—from shell foundations in Lichtenstein, fake war medals, the confiscated 60-piece Roumeliotes jewels, to the 3,257 persons “salvaged,” 737 desaparecidos, plus thousands detained without trial.


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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2011, 10:55:59 PM »

“Forget the past,” Senators Juan Ponce Enrile, Gringo Honasan and Antonio Trillanes III kibitzed from the sidelines. “Let the country move on.” They parrot Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet (1915-2006).

Under Pinochet’s iron-fist rule, 2,279 persons were murdered by state agents. Thousands disappeared. “It is best to remain silent and forget,” Pinochet said after his extradition from the United Kingdom and imprisonment. “It is the only thing to do: we must forget.”

No, disagrees Czech author Milan Kundera. “The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting,” he writes in “The Book of Laughter and Forgetting.”


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« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2011, 10:57:19 PM »

Today’s battle for memory defines tomorrow for our grandchildren. So, bear in mind how other countries dealt with the moral debris left by dictators.

Argentina’s human rights trials forced people to discuss issues over dinner. Chile has a monument “To the Disappeared.” South Africa’s Truth Commission documented abuses even by Nelson Mandela’s wife Winnie.

Protestant and Catholic churches in Brazil published secret regime documents titled: “Brazil Nunca Mais (Brazil Never Again).” In Guatemala, Catholic bishops drew up a four-volume work “to recover historic memory” of its 30-year civil war that left 100,000 dead or disappeared.


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« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2011, 10:58:23 PM »

Here, congressmen stared blankly at the 7,526 “remembrancers.” Cebu’s Judge Meinrado Paredes and Inquirer columnist Ma. Ceres Doyo were among the Marcos victims who received token $1,000 checks awarded by the US District Court of Hawaii. Their presence recalled the Court’s decision finding Marcos “liable for systematic torture, summary executions and disappearances.”

Former Sen. Rene Saguisag is a pro-bono “Remembrancer.” The Marcoses were kleptocrats according to a Sandiganbayan decision of 2003 (406 SCRA 190), he recalled in a letter to veterans. Impunity blanketed the 169 workers’ deaths in Imelda Marcos’ Film Palace. Marcos’ daughter Imee ignored the Hawaii court’s penalty for the 1977 salvaging of Archimedes Trajano, the Mapua student who questioned the then Kabataang Barangay head.

“Marcos may not belong in the Libingan,” Saguisag added. It would be different if a new law renames the 142-hectare cemetery as Libingan ng mga Bayani at mga Pangulo.


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2011, 11:01:08 PM »

Saguisag’s proposal looks into the future. Even former presidents go the way of all flesh. A president convicted of plunder, or one who owned up to “Hello Garci” mucking with electoral process, may be interred without an uproar.

Will the work of all these “remembrancers” be for naught?

Social Weather Stations reports that 50 percent of Filipinos agree to a Marcos Libingan burial. And 49 percent say no.

Isn’t that a repeat of an Ateneo-Social Weather Station survey of June 1986? Conducted just after People Power, that survey found only 4 percent wanted Marcos to return from exile, and to be tried and convicted.


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« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2011, 11:02:36 PM »
Forgetting seemed preferable to “uncovering the facts, giving the nameless dead their true names and decent burial, and prosecuting the perpetrators,” Sociologist John Carroll, SJ told the 1999 Ateneo-Wisconsin University conference on “Memory, Truth-Telling and the Pursuit of Justice.” “The Philippines is a nation in denial.”

Of the 5,000 World War II collaboration cases filed with the People’s Court, only 156 ended up with a conviction. “(It) created the impression that there was no real difference between patriots and traitors. Or that it was not worth the effort to sort them out.”

In 1986, People Power drove Marcos and his cronies into exile. Serial coups battered the succeeding (Cory) Aquino administration, which survived and made a peaceful orderly transition to a duly elected government. But none of the Marcoses or coup artists were penalized. Instead, they became political and economic kingpins.

Punishment is not a matter of revenge or even justice, Father Carroll wrote. It is the community rising to reaffirm values seriously violated. “Not to react as a community would be to reduce a community’s values or ‘common conscience’ to personal preference—and invite collapse.”

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« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2011, 11:06:59 PM »

In the Philippines, willingness to forget Marcos’ massive crimes reflects weakness of common conscience, he added. “Unless, the nation rises up to vindicate and reaffirm those values, it may be condemned to wander forever in the wilderness of valueless power plays of the elite.”

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« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2011, 05:58:57 AM »

Punishment is not a matter of revenge or even justice, Father Carroll wrote. It is the community rising to reaffirm values seriously violated. “Not to react as a community would be to reduce a community’s values or ‘common conscience’ to personal preference—and invite collapse.”

Hmm. Records show that time and again we have neglected "to reaffirm values seriously violated".


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2011, 12:48:59 PM »
Nganong dili man ilubong si Marcos sa Libingan nga mga Bayani nga dili man tanan gilubong diha mga bayani. ? Dapit ilubong regardless of any reason.

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« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2011, 08:34:02 PM »

i hope this petition gathers more signatures.

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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2011, 09:43:34 PM »
asos jod pride ra tanan naa aning marcos ngano man diay kon ilubong siya deli sa mga bayani na lobnganan,,,,,dakong sagpa nis PILIPINAS,,,dektador god,,nya pasidunggan pa????

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2011, 10:23:28 PM »

Nganong dili man ilubong si Marcos sa Libingan nga mga Bayani nga dili man tanan gilubong diha mga bayani. ? Dapit ilubong regardless of any reason.

Hmm, iapil na lang pud kaha ang congressmen nga nagpasiugda ani...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2011, 01:04:02 PM »
Tan-awa ninjo kung mipirma ba ang congressman sa Bohol sa House Resolution 1135, A RESOLUTION URGING THE ADMINISTRATION OF PRESIDENT BENIGNO C. AQUINO III TO ALLOW THE BURIAL OF THE REMAINS OF FORMER PRESIDENT FERDINAND EDRALIN MARCOS AT THE LIBINGAN NG MGA BAYANI.

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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2011, 02:31:27 PM »

i caught the names of bohol congressmen AUMENTADO, ERICO BOYLES and YAP, ARTHUR CUA.  bisan unsaon nakog balik-balik, di gyod nako makit-an ang RELAMPAGOS, RENE L.  i hope wa ko matamataha.  this is one way of knowing our congressmen.  did their votes ever speak for the people they represent?  did they make any consultations?


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« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2011, 02:43:33 PM »

Oi, cannot open the Internet site man sa akong computer... :P

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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2011, 04:20:23 PM »
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2011, 05:55:49 PM »
i caught the names of bohol congressmen AUMENTADO, ERICO BOYLES and YAP, ARTHUR CUA.  bisan unsaon nakog balik-balik, di gyod nako makit-an ang RELAMPAGOS, RENE L.  i hope wa ko matamataha.  this is one way of knowing our congressmen.  did their votes ever speak for the people they represent?  did they make any consultations?


Agree ko ani nga statement.

Among congressman pud akip, MERCADO, ROGER.

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« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2011, 05:32:58 PM »


Angelo Reyes the former army chief who is a traitor by defying his sworn allegiance to protect the constitution was about to be charged in court of corruption committed suicide and never give the people a chance to know whether he was guilty or not...  but interred in the Libingan anyway. Marcos wanted to face the music but never given a chance for his day in court.
 
The Philippine government charged him in a Seattle court of accepting bribe from Westinghouse Inc.. The court decided in favor of Marcos and Westinghouse Inc. agreeing to Westinghouse Inc. that the 10 million dollars given as commission to Marcos is not a bribe but the money is a commission. This is a policy of Westinghouse Inc. and I agree also because even in our country commission is legal.
 
Imelda was also charged in New York of R.I.C.O. case but was pronounced innocent by the court. The court argue that the sin of Marcos is not the sin of Imelda.

 AFP Regulations G 161-373: “Allocation of Cemetery Plots at the LNMB”, which was issued on April 9, 1986 by GHQ under then AFP Chief of Staff General Fidel V. Ramos and then President Corazon C. Aquino, as amended by AFP Regulations G 161-375 on September 11, 2000, is the set of regulations that govern the interment at the LNMB."  

Marcos deserves to be buried in the LNMB because... according to the former senator Ernesto Macedo; "former President Marcos is entitled to be interred at the LNMB because he belongs to not one but four categories in the allocation of plots at the Libingan."

— As Medal of Valor awardee

— As former President

— As former Secretary of National Defense

— As veteran of World War 2

This is the truth about Marcos and I hope this will put him to rest at the Libingan ng mga Bayani. He maybe a villain to some but a hero to the vast majority of the people. Let us try to live with it.
 
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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2011, 02:49:07 AM »

as the rest of us wait for more reasons on how "to try to live with it", here's an unemotional take on this topic:

Was Marcos a Hero?

No. But he was a soldier



HOME Marcos’s family brings his body home from Hawaii in 1993 (Photo: Jun Camarillo)


SORSOGON Rep. Salvador Escudero III has introduced a resolution supporting the burial of the waxy corpse of dictator Ferdinand Marcos in the Libingan ng mga Bayani—the misnamed heroes’ cemetery where among the honored sleepers are war veterans, guerrillas, former presidents, and people like Haydee Yorac who distinguished themselves in service to the people of the Philippines. But basically it is a military cemetery. All soldiers who die in battle in any of our conflicts are entitled to be buried there.

Nearly 200 congressmen have signed the resolution. Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr., son of the dictator, has been pressing since February for the burial among dead soldiers of his father, who, he says, was a war hero. This was disputed during the campaign for the 1986 snap election. The dispute had to do with whether Marcos deserved all of the 27 war medals that he claimed he had earned. There were questions about the authenticity of those medals, but Marcos insisted they were authentic. The opposition couldn’t care less—the only thing that was in dispute was whether he deserved them all.

What is undisputable is that Marcos was a soldier against the Japanese, something very few Filipinos were.

To be sure, Marcos’s guerrilla unit Ang Mga Maharlika, was a product of his imagination. No war veteran remembers it, much less fighting as a member of it. But that he fought the Japanese is not disputed or has been disproved, nor that he wore the uniform of a soldier for which he was socially despised by the old rich who whispered that he was too poor to date their daughters in proper linen suits.

To be sure, too, Marcos fought for the country’s freedom from Japanese occupation, although in 1972, as president, he contrived to suppress that freedom. But again there is no question that he was able to hold together a fissile and fragile economy when the Arabs clamped a global embargo on oil exports and destroyed most of the world’s economies. Marcos’s iron grip, with which he held the opposition by the neck, also held the economy together.

Saving the economy during that difficult time, however, would not entitle Marcos to be buried among dead soldiers. What entitles him is his having been a soldier, decorated or not. He was, and so it seems he is entitled to be buried in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV, a former soldier, supports Escudero’s resolution for the same reason: hero or heel, Marcos was a soldier and he should be buried there. But not among ex-presidents, national artists and scientists and other notable men and women, but among the soldiers, under the same poor-quality marble cross with just a few words roughly carved on it— the dates of his birth and death and a single word to describe his service: “SOLDIER.”

Marcos’s friends are behind the House resolution, supposedly inspired by a recent Social Weather Stations poll that found that 50 percent of the Filipinos favor Marcos’s burial in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. President Benigno Aquino III, whose father, Sen. Benigno Aquino Jr., was one of the victims of Marcos’s martial-law regime, has stepped aside and tossed the job of making a decision to Vice President Jejomar Binay, who, in turn, has formed a committee to study the matter.


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2011, 03:19:41 AM »
MARCOS? :-[ NO-ONG ALAW NI LIZAL PA YAN! :P Adto na ilubong sa kangkongan :P

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« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2011, 01:18:58 PM »
 
     
This is the irony in the life of Marcos because the perceived wrongdoings and allegation of corruption attributed to him and his family have been designed to erase his name in the pages of Philippine history. This un-Filipino way of treating Marcos stemmed not from the culture of our people but I believe this is a culture of the illustrado. As my older folks narrated to us; this alien culture came from Europe and introduced by the Spaniards to a few Filipinos especially people who came from peninsular Spain and the Filipino mestizos. It was also brought to the province of Bohol. This culture was a kind of apartheid and most of the Tagbilaranons abhorred it. They coined this cultural division as; "taga ubos ug taga ibabaw". The "taga ubos" were only a few and because of inter-marriages between the "taga ubos and taga ibabaw" we fused together to become one people.

But not so long ago I witnessed with my own eyes twice the cultural division displayed by the people during Edsa I and Edsa II. This is the scenario as narrated by my uncles and my lola as it happened in a small town as Tagbilaran.

The Philippines Free Press again as it was before Martial Law is a staunch Marcos critic. Today the PFF don't have a living Marcos to be lambasted by their columnists. What they have is only a corpse but still the hatred won't stop. The PFF wants Marcos body to be buried in the Libingan with only the word "soldier" to be written in his tombstone... sort of hiding his grave away from the people. Just like Jose Rizal our national hero was buried in an unmarked grave... the Spanish authority wanted his grave unknown to the people. They put his initial in reversed as; "RPJ". I can see the coincidence if the PFF idea is to be followed.

I'm quite amused by the acceptance of the PFF that; "Marcos fought for the country’s freedom"... but it continues to say that Marcos "contrived to suppress [that] our freedom"; which is wrong! Marcos did not create the situation to suppress our freedom. The situation was created by the NPA when they bombed the Liberal Party rally at Plaza Miranda. Marcos is a patriot and he did not want our country to be devoured by Communism which is an alien ideology to the Filipinos. He knows of a threat by the NPA, so he took a preemptive action ahead of the NPA by declaring Martial Law.

The PFF caption says:

Was Marcos a Hero?

Answering itself... it says; No. But he was a soldier.

Explanation:

The short dialogue cum news caption is stressing a propaganda line to denigrate the memory of Marcos, his life as a soldier and as an honorable person. Of course a soldier and a hero are not the same but actually the PFF caption is hiding something.
 
It did not ask the question; "Marcos a medal of valor awardee; is he worthy to be called a hero?"

Now the complete idea of the PFF is written below. 

The PFF wrote:

"Nearly 200 congressmen have signed the resolution. Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr., son of the dictator, has been pressing since February for the burial among dead soldiers of his father, who, he says, was a war hero."

Reply:

Saying that his father is a hero... I think this is another invention of the PFF. Of course if Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has the evidence that his father is a hero... I think there's no need to blow his own trumpet... but let the record shows it!

The PFF continues:

This was disputed during the campaign for the 1986 snap election. The dispute had to do with whether Marcos deserved all of the 27 war medals that he claimed he had earned. There were questions about the authenticity of those medals, but Marcos insisted they were authentic. The opposition couldn’t care less—the only thing that was in dispute was whether he deserved them all."

Reply:

The saying goes this way; "a fish is caught by its own mouth." In the same manner as the PFF saying that; "This was disputed [medals of Marcos] during the campaign for the 1986 snap election"... is like the PFF is caught by its own words. The dispute is clear that the Marcos political enemies are only taking the "medals" as the issue to denigrate him. It is my belief that Marcos deserves all the 27 war medals awarded to him.

According to Brig. Gen. Restituto Aguilar, historical consultant of the AFP Museum said; “Those who contest the authenticity of his medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”. 

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »
bisan pag ilobong sa libingan na mga bayani,,kay di jod siya bayani,,

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2011, 08:39:30 PM »

MARCOS? :-[ NO-ONG ALAW NI LIZAL PA YAN! :P Adto na ilubong sa kangkongan :P

Ayaw bay, mokaon ra ba kong tangkong...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2011, 08:42:30 PM »

to hubag bohol, tua na watch ot list imong IP Doy! ;D

Patay, wa na jud diay koy tsansa nga makaentra sa LNMB kon maohon... :P

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2011, 08:45:57 PM »

bisan pag ilobong sa libingan na mga bayani,,kay di jod siya bayani,,

Unsa man diay siya, Bay Chris? ???

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2011, 09:03:00 PM »
Bai HB, MALCOS iya apelido :D dili siya pareha nila Fernando Bayani, Tetchie agBayani ;D

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2011, 10:35:47 AM »
bisan pag ilobong sa libingan na mga bayani,,kay di jod siya bayani,,

Mao nay imong panghuna-huna... pero lahi na si gihuna-huna ni Gen. Douglas MacArthur ug Gen. Jonathan Wainwright. Kining duha ka heneral nga amerkano giila nila ang pagka-bayani ni Marcos panahon sa gira mao nga niadtong 1942 gipasidunggan si Marcos ug mga medalya. Daghang medalya nga pasidungog ni Marcos sa kainitan sa gira. Girekomenda pa siya ni Gen. Wainwright sa Congressional Medal of Honor sa Amerika. Kini ang kinatas-an nga medalya para sa sundalo sa Amerika.

Akong gitahud ang imong panghuna-huna nga sa imong sulti; "di jod siya bayani".

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2011, 11:27:48 AM »


I was once also an anti Marcos activist. I was at the MIA the time Ninoy Aquino was assassinated. I was there in the streets of Manila demonstrating against the government of Marcos... and at the same time I was employed with RFM a company owned by the Concepcions.

Since being an activist against Marcos my neighbor in Antipolo himself also an activist enrolled me to be a member of ATOM. The group of Butch Aquino who always led demonstrations and rallies against Marcos. While actively affiliated with the group I found out that most of the members are former students from UP, Ateneo, La Salle, UST and etc... etc... and at that time they are employed as junior managers of big companies in the Philippines. Like for example SMC, PMC, Nescafe, Baguio Oil and some of them are in the banks also having access to the Makati banking business who as anti Marcos the promoters of intrigues of a run in the bank. And for those who are in the production of prime commodities they managed production forecast.

My activities turned sour with them when I realized that these junior managers cum political activists were manipulating the production forecast of their companies. They knew when the production of a prime commodity is at low level. For example are pork, chicken, coffee, milk, rice and etc. When rice is forecasted at its low level these junior managers cum anti Marcos activists start to disseminate information that there will be a shortage of rice. The rich made it easy for them to buy by the sacks while the poor are left with nothing in the supermarket shelves thus creating an artificial rice shortage. There was no real crisis in a true sense of the word but these political activists cum junior managers created an artificial crisis. The same thing with other prime commodity products. The purpose is to make the people angry against Marcos.

Their medium of disseminating information to the people is the Pahayagang Malaya newspaper of Joe Burgos. Another anti Marcos newspaper.

During the time of Marcos the Philippines was exporting rice to other countries. Marcos established the Kadiwa Store where prime commodities for the poor were sold at a low price. And all over the country low prices of commodities were available and big business cannot easily jack up their prices. In order to afford maximum protection to consumers, prevent price manipulation and hoarding... the Price Stabilization Council was decreed by Marcos to increase its vigilance, particularly its price monitoring and enforcement.

 
The price of a liter of gasoline at the pump was pegged at a low price because Marcos subsidized oil companies through the Oil Price Stabilization Fund or OPSF. Therefore oil subsidy through the OPSF protected the country and cannot be hard hit if there is an oil crisis in the world.

The Economic Processing Zone Area or EPZA started in Bataan, Baguio city, Mactan Island, Cebu and Rizal province. The initial introduction into the Philippine market of Volkwagen Sakbayan, Mitsubishi Cimmaron, Ford Fiera and Toyota Tamaraw happened during the time of Marcos before any Asian country could start their own car industry. We started exporting Ford engines and spare parts to Australia and New Zealand. Right now, today, at the present time we are overtaken by Malaysia with their Proton car, In India with their Tata car and Ford Fiera is diverted and improved in Indonesia. 

All these developments happened because Marcos put regulations in the running of the government and for the interest of all Filipinos. Big business interest and politicians were antagonistic of what Marcos did. Marcos cannot have the best of both worlds... either he'll love the influential media, the Manila elite, politicians and big business or despise the people. Marcos chose to protect the people... which is why he was toppled from power.

When the media started to demonize Marcos as a thief and a dictator trusting that their propaganda can easily be absorbed by the gullibility of the people they didn't realize that a plot was hatched to restore the power of big business and corrupt politicians.

After Marcos everything he did for the interest of the people were gone. The PSC, OPSF, Kadiwa Center... etc... etc... were abolished by the new government. The Ministry of Energy was also abolished plunging Manila and the nearby provinces into complete darkness.

Who do you think be blamed for this economic disaster and flight of capital away from our country... Marcos? He was the one who started the development and is he also the one to drive them out? That makes it ridiculous and absurdly contrary to reason. While Marcos ignited the industrialization of our country his political enemies destroyed the developments he established and put Filipinos as contract workers in the Middle East, domestic helps in Singapore and Hongkong and as usual our women are the more easy target for sex slaves to other countries.

The great bard, William Shakespeare, once wrote: "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones."

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2011, 11:37:13 AM »
naka anha baya tu si Macoy sa Tubigon kay iya gipangita katung nag tabang nya panahon sa gera.naka abot man diay na sya sa Tubigon atung panahonj sa hapon unya gitaguan sa Tubigon Tomas man siguro to ngalan.Maayo pa adto na lang sya ilubong sa Tubigon.para wala samok.Maayo pa gud si Marcos kay mahal niya mga Bol anon.Tungod pod ni Victor Nituda nga iya Secretary of Information.panahon ni Marcos abot abot mi ako mga classmate sa Manila ngita trabaho padala mig sulat ni Marcos abi namo dili basahon nakurat man me kay kami mga Bol anon nga misulat kay nagreply man sya para mag report sa work.wala ko mo adto kay gikuyawan man ko but im proud nga iya gibasa amo mga sulat.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2011, 11:42:45 AM »

Maayo pa adto na lang sya ilubong sa Tubigon.para wala samok.

OK pud ni nga sugyot...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #84 on: May 04, 2011, 12:31:10 PM »
naka anha baya tu si Macoy sa Tubigon kay iya gipangita katung nag tabang nya panahon sa gera.naka abot man diay na sya sa Tubigon atung panahonj sa hapon unya gitaguan sa Tubigon Tomas man siguro to ngalan.Maayo pa adto na lang sya ilubong sa Tubigon.para wala samok.Maayo pa gud si Marcos kay mahal niya mga Bol anon.Tungod pod ni Victor Nituda nga iya Secretary of Information.panahon ni Marcos abot abot mi ako mga classmate sa Manila ngita trabaho padala mig sulat ni Marcos abi namo dili basahon nakurat man me kay kami mga Bol anon nga misulat kay nagreply man sya para mag report sa work.wala ko mo adto kay gikuyawan man ko but im proud nga iya gibasa amo mga sulat.

Kan - Ogong, taga Tubigon ka? naa kabai nailhan nga Molat ang last name nga taga tubigon? just curious....


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2011, 01:49:17 PM »


This is the irony in the life of Marcos because the perceived wrongdoings and allegation of corruption attributed to him and his family have been designed to erase his name in the pages of Philippine history. This un-Filipino way of treating Marcos stemmed not from the culture of our people but I believe this is a culture of the illustrado. As my older folks narrated to us; this alien culture came from Europe and introduced by the Spaniards to a few Filipinos especially people who came from peninsular Spain and the Filipino mestizos. It was also brought to the province of Bohol. This culture was a kind of apartheid and most of the Tagbilaranons abhorred it. They coined this cultural division as; "taga ubos ug taga ibabaw". The "taga ubos" were only a few and because of inter-marriages between the "taga ubos and taga ibabaw" we fused together to become one people.


the irony in the life of marcos is that he made his own life ironic.  there's no doubt about his sincerity when he ran for the top office of the land in the beginning.  along the way, he fell victim, or he allowed himself to be victimized, by the heady addiction of power, and ended up refusing to go down by whatever means.  he was a despot, no matter how we look at it, and like most other despots in the world, he wanted to keep power within his family.  the fact that he had a memo prepared for his wife to take over his presidency of the land is not a media invention, as we may know.

whatever wrong values were brought along by our colonizers have nothing to do with his decision to stay on and on and on.


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #86 on: May 04, 2011, 02:51:44 PM »
    
The Philippines Free Press again as it was before Martial Law is a staunch Marcos critic. Today the PFF don't have a living Marcos to be lambasted by their columnists. What they have is only a corpse but still the hatred won't stop. The PFF wants Marcos body to be buried in the Libingan with only the word "soldier" to be written in his tombstone... sort of hiding his grave away from the people. Just like Jose Rizal our national hero was buried in an unmarked grave... the Spanish authority wanted his grave unknown to the people. They put his initial in reversed as; "RPJ". I can see the coincidence if the PFF idea is to be followed.


the philippine free press magazine has always been a critic of any wrongdoings of any administration, marcos’s or not, long before anyone of us here at tb was probably born.  it is not as if its opinion makers (the columnists) focused only on marcos’s time.  it did have more of marcos, because there was more to write about him considering the number of years he had stayed at malacañang.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #87 on: May 04, 2011, 05:44:59 PM »

I'm quite amused by the acceptance of the PFF that; "Marcos fought for the country’s freedom"... but it continues to say that Marcos "contrived to suppress [that] our freedom"; which is wrong! Marcos did not create the situation to suppress our freedom. The situation was created by the NPA when they bombed the Liberal Party rally at Plaza Miranda. Marcos is a patriot and he did not want our country to be devoured by Communism which is an alien ideology to the Filipinos. He knows of a threat by the NPA, so he took a preemptive action ahead of the NPA by declaring Martial Law.

yes, marcos fought for the country’s freedom, the freedom from foreign domination, like thousands of other filipino soldiers during world war 2. 

when the philippine free press points out that he “contrived to suppress [that] freedom”, it meant that marcos took away the democratic freedom that was known by the filipino people, that freedom for which those soldiers both dead and living fought for during world war 2, first with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, then by martial law, and later by instituting constitutional change (through a rubber stamp constitutional convention) to continue to hold the reins of power. 

the bogeyman of communism was his most convenient reason then, from the plaza miranda bombing (as yet unsolved) to the supposed ambush of enrile (solved, with enrile admitting that it was plain drama).  even the assassination of benign aquino jr was at once blamed on the communists.

was the communists’ npa ever a threat to national security in the real sense of the word?  on hindsight, but for the usual government yarn then, the more threatening at the time was our own military that had more political power and better weapons than the ragtag npa, which didn’t have the support of the greater part of the population.  but the communists provided the marcos government with the best excuse to wield power sans check and balance.     

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #88 on: May 04, 2011, 07:19:59 PM »
The PFF caption says:

Was Marcos a Hero?

Answering itself... it says; No. But he was a soldier.

Explanation:

The short dialogue cum news caption is stressing a propaganda line to denigrate the memory of Marcos, his life as a soldier and as an honorable person. Of course a soldier and a hero are not the same but actually the PFF caption is hiding something.
 
It did not ask the question; "Marcos a medal of valor awardee; is he worthy to be called a hero?"

heroes are deemed worthy of the name, so why should the article's writer still ask if he were worthy of the name when he can settle for simply asking whether he was a hero or not?  

Now the complete idea of the PFF is written below.  

The PFF wrote:

"Nearly 200 congressmen have signed the resolution. Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr., son of the dictator, has been pressing since February for the burial among dead soldiers of his father, who, he says, was a war hero."

Reply:

Saying that his father is a hero... I think this is another invention of the PFF. Of course if Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has the evidence that his father is a hero... I think there's no need to blow his own trumpet... but let the record shows it!


yet trumpet ferdinand marcos jr did.  in fact, the reason why the whole family decided against burying marcos's body permanently elsewhere was because they themselves wanted him buried at the libingan ng mga bayani, all these years lobbying with political friends for support, and all these years insisting, trumpeting, that their family head was a hero.  and the family has the evidence, marcos's own account of his war exploits and the medals themselves.

The PFF continues:

This was disputed during the campaign for the 1986 snap election. The dispute had to do with whether Marcos deserved all of the 27 war medals that he claimed he had earned. There were questions about the authenticity of those medals, but Marcos insisted they were authentic. The opposition couldn’t care less—the only thing that was in dispute was whether he deserved them all."

Reply:

The saying goes this way; "a fish is caught by its own mouth." In the same manner as the PFF saying that; "This was disputed [medals of Marcos] during the campaign for the 1986 snap election"... is like the PFF is caught by its own words. The dispute is clear that the Marcos political enemies are only taking the "medals" as the issue to denigrate him. It is my belief that Marcos deserves all the 27 war medals awarded to him.

isn't it that the pff only reported what was going on?  naturally, it was politics as usual.  it’s not as if we don’t know that political campaigns in our political culture will not always bear the mark of mutual mudslinging.  it wasn’t as if marcos and his minions didn’t undertake their own negative tirades against their political enemies.  remember the “walang alam” slogan against cory aquino?  there was, and there will always be, mutual denigration.

According to Brig. Gen. Restituto Aguilar, historical consultant of the AFP Museum said; “Those who contest the authenticity of his medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”.  

spoken like a true functionary.  but of course, as a historical consultant he shouldn't take sides.  the statement does not in any way contradict either the truth or untruth of the authenticity of the medals.

meantime, when something is questioned, there must be some weakness in that thing.  your belief that marcos deserved all his 27 war medals must have some basis, such as your readings and your choice of what to believe in your readings.  that’s your right.  this is mine:  what are the bases for the doubts cast over marcos’s medals?  in general, some of the medals were earned or bestowed on him in accordance with his own reports and claims.  thus, the medals may be authentic but the reasons for their awarding could be fake.  (please note the qualifications of “may be” and “could be”.)

two examples stand out.  the u.s. army never acknowledged the existence of the guerrilla unit named “ang maharlika” and marcos was never rewarded for his claimed bravery at the battle of bessang pass.  consider this:

"Marcos’s daring war adventures first saw print in a 1948 magazine series.  The young lawyer supposedly had formed a 9,200-strong guerrilla group called Mga Maharlika (The Nobles) in North Luzon.  Unmindful of danger, he led more than 300 skirmishes with the mighty Japanese Imperial Army, for which he was decorated 27 times.  Thus did Marcos earn in 1947 a post in the Philippine commission that lobbied with the US for veterans’ benefits.   Riding on the daredevil acclaim, he handily won in 1949 a congressional seat.

If there were doubts then about Marcos’s claims, nobody said so aloud. Only in 1982 did war vets begin to murmur, when Marcos, ten years into his military rule, alleged himself to be the real hero of the Battle of Bessang Pass.  Overrunning the gorge was vital to the US Army’s pursuit of General Yamashita in the Cordillera Range.  Marcos mentioned General Volkmann as confiding that Yamashita almost surrendered to the Maharlika guerrillas.  War historians grumbled, for nowhere was Marcos near the battleground."


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2011, 09:28:39 AM »

islander wrote:

"the irony in the life of marcos is that he made his own life ironic.  there's no doubt about his sincerity when he ran for the top office of the land in the beginning.  along the way, he fell victim, or he allowed himself to be victimized, by the heady addiction of power, and ended up refusing to go down by whatever means. he was a despot, no matter how we look at it, and like most other despots in the world, he wanted to keep power within his family."

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This is also the irony if we believe too much of the newpapers who cast aspersion and bias opinion against Marcos. If you have no doubt in his sincerity of running for the highest office of the land then it's not addiction. His declaration of Martial Law was to save the Philippines from communist despotism. In 1972 it's either Marcos dictatorship or communist despotism.

islander wrote:     

"the fact that he had a memo prepared for his wife to take over his presidency of the land is not a media invention, as we may know."

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It's a media invention and there is no memo of that kind. I think the government introduced by Marcos is new to us and most do not understand how it works. We are being misled by the media that if Marcos dies Imelda will take over. No... it is not that way a parliamentary system works. Cesar Virata who was the prime minister will call for an election.

islander wrote:     

"whatever wrong values were brought along by our colonizers have nothing to do with his decision to stay on and on and on."

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It was not his decision to stay on forever. He was elected by the people.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2011, 10:33:58 AM »
hehehe...unsa mai imong ika sulti sa SNAP ELECTION, pildi pero gusto pa magpabilin sa pwesto? ngutana lang!

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« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2011, 11:13:20 AM »

islander wrote:

"the philippine free press magazine has always been a critic of any wrongdoings of any administration, marcos’s or not, long before anyone of us here at tb was probably born.  it is not as if its opinion makers (the columnists) focused only on marcos’s time.  it did have more of marcos, because there was more to write about him considering the number of years he had stayed at malacañang."

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The PFP should understand that publishing the "truth is always an overmatch" for lies and falsehood. But like the Philippine Free Press whether the disputed issue is a lie doesn't matter as long as contending parties pay the PFP well. The ethical point here is to rectify what had been published as lies and falsehood. But not for the PFP!

Before Martial Law when Ninoy Aquino's popularity as a critic of Marcos got hold of dossiers pertaining to Muslims massacred [This was known as the Jabidah Massacre.] by the military in Corregidor the PFP and other anti Marcos newspapers bannered the story without even bothering to investigate whether there is truth to their story. Ninoy in a privilege speech spoke of a massacre in congress and that a certain recruit named Arula who survived the massacre was picked up by fishermen in Manila Bay. This was not true and Ninoy believing his own lies went to Sulo to inquire about the person Arula after his speech in congress and he cannot find such a person.

Marcos allegedly signed an approval to recruit Muslims to be trained clandestinely by the military to sabotage Sabah. In an act of treachery in the person of Ninoy; he divulged to the world of a massacre of muslim in Corregidor. The story of a massacre was a myth creating a crisis for the Philippines when the Australian and the New Zealand navies were deployed right in front of Palawan in defense of Malaysia... an ally in the British commonwealth. The British deployed also the Gurkha Fighters in Sabah to help Malaysia in case the Philippines invade Sabah or North Borneo.

The Philippine government apologized to the Malaysian and the British Commonwealth saying that it was only part of the free rolling Philippine press. But the PFP and other anti Marcos newspapers never rectify their story.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2011, 01:25:19 PM »


islander wrote: 

"when the philippine free press points out that he “contrived to suppress [that] freedom”, it meant that marcos took away the democratic freedom that was known by the filipino people, that freedom for which those soldiers both dead and living fought for during world war 2,..."

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I think you are wrong. He did not contrive to suppress our freedom but the communists did. The bombing of Plaza Miranda created the situation as attested to by Cor. Victor Corpuz... after the fall of Marcos when he returned to his unit in the AFP. Ex senator Jovito Salonga a political opponent of Marcos accused him as the mastermind in the Plaza Miranda bombing; but after listening to accounts of the bombing by former communists Romulo Kintanar who returned to the fold of the law saying that; Plaza Miranda bombing was the brainchild of the communists... he [Salonga] stops his accusation.

By the way... Romulo Kintanar was executed by the Ka Rosal liquidation squad being a traitor to the communist cause.

islander wrote:   

"first with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, then by martial law, and later by instituting constitutional change (through a rubber stamp constitutional convention) to continue to hold the reins of power."

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The writ of habeas corpus was suspended because Marcos knew about the Plaza Miranda bombing through intelligence reports that it was a prelude of things worse to come. The landing of arms shipment from China aboard M/V Karagatan off the coast of Degoyo Pt. in Luzon was one factor in the declaration of Martial Law. Here is an excerpt of a book narated by a crew member of M/V Karagatan named Ka Terry reported by Jo Clemente of the Inquirer;

"WE STAYED for 10 days at the Chinese naval base playing basketball while they took care of our fishing vessel and loaded boxes of M-14 rifles and ammunitions. In between, we were taught how to use the AK-47 and the anti-aircraft launcher. That could have been the next shipment."

That was Ka Terry speaking in flawless Kapampangan as he described their brief stay in China in 1972. He was part of the crew of the MV Karagatan, the vessel that was tasked with delivering arms for the underground New People's Army in the Philippines.

Ka Terry is now 51 years old.

islander wrote: 

the bogeyman of communism was his most convenient reason then, from the plaza miranda bombing (as yet unsolved) to the supposed ambush of enrile (solved, with enrile admitting that it was plain drama).  even the assassination of benign aquino jr was at once blamed on the communists.

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Bogeyman? hehehe... I think this is the usual terminology of the Marcos critics to discredit Martial Law.

And one thing I can say about Enrile is that; when his life was already in danger during his defiance against Marcos and to attract sympathy from the people he invented a story that his "ambush" was staged by Marcos. His story is unbelievable because it was done at the time when he rebelled against his boss Marcos. If it is for the sake of the people... he should have divulged it long time ago.

islander wrote: 

"was the communists’ npa ever a threat to national security in the real sense of the word? on hindsight, but for the usual government yarn then, the more threatening at the time was our own military that had more political power and better weapons than the ragtag npa, which didn’t have the support of the greater part of the population.  but the communists provided the marcos government with the best excuse to wield power sans check and balance."

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Yes. The CPP-NPA currently poses the greatest armed threat to the Philippine government and has the widest grass-roots support among the various Philippine leftist insurgent groups. The conflict between the CPP-NPA and the Philippine government has taken thousands of lives since the NPA’s inception. The peace talks between the NDF and the government is going nowhere.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2011, 02:12:18 PM »

islander wrote:

"heroes are deemed worthy of the name, so why should the article's writer still ask if he were worthy of the name when he can settle for simply asking whether he was a hero or not?"

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You are right! "Heroes are deemed worthy of the name." Other people think he is not worth the name of a hero. But honorable men like Gen. Jonathan Wainwright and Gen. Douglas MacArthur think otherwise. They believed Marcos is a hero by honoring him [Marcos] with war medals. These war medals were awarded to Marcos at the time when the war in the Philippines was raging in 1942. The US and Philippine governments never reported that those medals awarded to Marcos were fake medals. 

I for one agree with the 2 generals.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2011, 02:22:28 PM »
Ang tanan ba nga gilubong sa Libingan nga mga bayani, mga bayani, dili?...,  bisan ug kinsa? So, why not bury Marcos there.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2011, 02:29:51 PM »

islander wrote:

"yet trumpet ferdinand marcos jr did.  in fact, the reason why the whole family decided against burying marcos's body permanently elsewhere was because they themselves wanted him buried at the libingan ng mga bayani, all these years lobbying with political friends for support, and all these years insisting, trumpeting, that their family head was a hero.  and the family has the evidence, marcos's own account of his war exploits and the medals themselves."

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That is your opinion and I respect it. But the reason why the Marcos family wanted him [Marcos] buried in the Libingan and not elsewhere is because Marcos qualified in 4 categories for burial in the Libingan.

Here are his qualification;

1. He is a recipient of 27 genuine war medals awarded to him in 1942 by Gen. Jonathan Wainwright and Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

2. He is an awardee of the Philippine highest award to a soldier. The congressional medal of valor.

3. He was once the president of the Philippines.

4. He served in the government as secretary of National Defense.

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« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2011, 03:01:41 PM »

islander wrote:

"isn't it that the pff only reported what was going on?  naturally, it was politics as usual.  it’s not as if we don’t know that political campaigns in our political culture will not always bear the mark of mutual mudslinging.  it wasn’t as if marcos and his minions didn’t undertake their own negative tirades against their political enemies.  remember the “walang alam” slogan against cory aquino?  there was, and there will always be, mutual denigration."

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Thanks for your opinion. After all the exchanges of views you admitted that; "naturally, it was politics as usual." I agree! Hehehe...

It's not only the smears and mudslinging but the hate against Marcos and I will also include Erap lingers on... because this is drawn in our political culture of putting down a political adversary. The denigration as you say is very clear and the case of Cory Aquino dubbed as "walang alam" is like the issue attributed to Erap as only an actor. Cory Aquino is no push over when it comes to her education but the "walang alam" is a derision of her in-experience in politics.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2011, 03:58:02 PM »
The writ of habeas corpus was suspended because Marcos knew about the Plaza Miranda bombing through intelligence reports that it was a prelude of things worse to come. The landing of arms shipment from China aboard M/V Karagatan off the coast of Degoyo Pt. in Luzon was one factor in the declaration of Martial Law. Here is an excerpt of a book narated by a crew member of M/V Karagatan named Ka Terry reported by Jo Clemente of the Inquirer;

"WE STAYED for 10 days at the Chinese naval base playing basketball while they took care of our fishing vessel and loaded boxes of M-14 rifles and ammunitions. In between, we were taught how to use the AK-47 and the anti-aircraft launcher. That could have been the next shipment."

That was Ka Terry speaking in flawless Kapampangan as he described their brief stay in China in 1972. He was part of the crew of the MV Karagatan, the vessel that was tasked with delivering arms for the underground New People's Army in the Philippines.

Ka Terry is now 51 years old.

If Ka Terry is 51 now, he was 12 in 1972. Hmm, precocious kid...

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« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2011, 04:00:56 PM »

islander wrote:     

"whatever wrong values were brought along by our colonizers have nothing to do with his decision to stay on and on and on."

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It was not his decision to stay on forever. He was elected by the people.

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...and he was driven out by the people.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2011, 05:16:34 PM »


islander wrote:

"spoken like a true functionary.  but of course, as a historical consultant he shouldn't take sides.  the statement does not in any way contradict either the truth or untruth of the authenticity of the medals."

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Gen. Restituto Aguilar is an historical consultant of the AFP Museum... his bias is because he is hired by the government of the Philippines. He has in his possession facts to the authencity of the Marcos medals. Which is why he said; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”.

You see... any person who disagree to the genuineness of the Marcos medals are welcomed to contest but must have proof to substantiate their claim.

The issue about the Marcos medals saw print in We-Forum of Joe Burgos Jr. written sometimes in the early 1980's by former governor of Sorsogon Bonifacio Gillego... and until now the issue remains in the newspaper. Nobody dared to question those medals in a higher venue other than the media or proof to the contrary that Marcos is an impostor during the war. The truth is; there is no proof to substantiate claims in the media that the Marcos medals are fake. Everything against the exploit of Marcos during WW-II is purely mudslinging. "Naturally politics is playing as usual."       

islander wrote:

"meantime, when something is questioned, there must be some weakness in that thing."

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Not necessarily. The things that is questioned by the media are the Marcos medals... and some people just swallow it hook, line and sinker. This not strange because there are lots of gullible people around. To show strenght of their claims they should show proof. According to the Philippine government through Gen. Restituto Aguilar; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”. Until now nobody shows up to contest the Marcos medals. 

islander wrote:   

"your belief that marcos deserved all his 27 war medals must have some basis, such as your readings and your choice of what to believe in your readings.  that’s your right."

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Of course! It's not only a belief but it's a fact of history that Marcos was awarded these medals during WW-II.

islander wrote:

"this is mine:  what are the bases for the doubts cast over marcos’s medals?  in general, some of the medals were earned or bestowed on him in accordance with his own reports and claims.  thus, the medals may be authentic but the reasons for their awarding could be fake.  (please note the qualifications of “may be” and “could be”.)"

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Actually the doubts come from baseless accusation. Devoid of any iota of evidence. The bases for the doubters comes from; "naturally, it was politics as usual." This is straight from the horse's mouth.

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