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« Reply #200 on: May 10, 2011, 09:24:43 AM »
Despite all the feelings antagonistic to Pres. Ferdinand Marcos, I admit that I am a big fan of his. He was a brilliant politician , an intelligent one who stayed in power for over 2 decades. His mastery of the due process of the law and the machinations of the Philippine Government is almost like clockwork.

Marcos' Martial Law Speech. This man had guts.

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« Reply #201 on: May 10, 2011, 04:23:45 PM »

tip your beard too, as you sit in judgment over mere mortals. ;D
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« Reply #202 on: May 10, 2011, 04:42:37 PM »

due process of the law and the machinations of the Philippine Government is almost like clockwork. [/b]

 ???  you seem so sure you sound as if you've lived through it...

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« Reply #203 on: May 10, 2011, 05:23:17 PM »
10 reasons why Marcos should not be declared a hero

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Must we really go through the reasons why this would be a travesty?  Fine.  Here are the top 10 reasons why, some of them dredged up from the depths of my frustration.

#1. An estimated 10,000 Filipinos killed, tortured and brutalized during Martial Law.  That’s already 10,000 reasons, but let me continue.

#2. His widow will be entitled to a pension.  And we all know she’s already got enough cash—our cash.
I have a theory: we will stand an ever lesser chance of getting our money back from them.  How can any court seize property/funds that belong to a “hero”?  That’s like attempting to impound Rizal’s ancestral home in Laguna (assuming JR stole anything, which he didn’t).

#3. Fake war medals.  FAKE.  Which bit of “fake war medals” is ambiguous?  Okay, he might have served in a clerical position with the US Army but the rest of his alleged heroic exploits have been exposed as lies.  The US Army has never acknowledged the existence of the guerrilla unit he claimed to have led (Ang Mga Maharlika), nor rewarded him for his alleged bravery at the Battle of Bessang Pass.  Why should he be buried with real heroes?

#4. Which brings us to Ka Boni Gillego. Not only did he expose Marcos’s fake medals, he also served as a truly honourable member of the House of Representatives.  Now there’s a great man.  Want to spit on Ka Boni’s grave?  Make Marcos a hero.

#5. DECS will have to revise all history textbooks to glorify Marcos and depict the Martial Law era as a peaceful and prosperous epoch in Philippine history.  Sayang ang papel.  Save the trees, save the planet!

#6. About 25 years from now, a young, brilliant and ambitious politician will run for Congress, then for the senate, then for President.  Then he’ll proclaim that he will save the nation from communism/terrorism/climate change, round up all his critics and throw them in jail, proclaim himself President for life and loot the national coffers dry.  Guess which history books he had been reading as a child?

#7. Speaking of revisionism, we will have to declare Pinochet, Suharto, Duvalier, Somoza and the entire barkada of tyrants and crooks from that era heroes, as well.  Oh, and let’s not forget Muammar Gadaffi, though he’s still alive and being overthrown by enraged Libyans.  When he, um, exits from this world, he’ll have to be declared a hero, too.  It’s all for the sake of consistency.  Can’t make one tyrant a hero while the others stay tyrants—it’s not fair.

Hey, why not go further? Why not also re-classify Hitler as a hero and the Holocaust as a hoax?  (Warning: Making these assertions in public will land you in jail in many European countries.)

#8. Amay Bisaya will be vindicated.  All this time he has professed that the Apo was a patriot and now he’ll be proven right.  Amay Bisaya gloating and doing the dance of joy.  Sit there and contemplate that image.

#9. It will validate the decision of 216 members of the House of Representatives.  Do you really want to give any satisfaction to those scumbags?

It is our moral obligation as responsible Filipino citizens to deny these sleazy lowlifes any form of happiness. They have no qualms about doing it to us.  There they sit in that hall, claiming to represent us, addressing each other as “Honorable,” enjoying the perks of our democracy while savaging it, along with our history.

Here’s news for the 216: no one will remember you in 20 years’ time.  But next elections, we will.

#10. Marcos built his own monument to himself—that automatically disqualifies him from being a hero.  There is one inviolable rule for would-be heroes.  All great men and women know it, though it’s not written anywhere: You cannot honor yourself in any way while you’re still alive. I t’s just not done.  It marks you out as an egomaniac—not hero material.

A portrait is fine; all presidents have their portraits painted for posterity.  An autobiography is acceptable.  But a bust the size of an asteroid is never cool.  Sobrang laki ng ulo.  Literally and figuratively.

I guess tyrants cannot be modest by definition.  I doubt whether they understand that greatness is like a nickname: you cannot give it to yourself; others must confer it upon you. (Newsbreak)


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« Reply #204 on: May 10, 2011, 06:18:54 PM »

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Hmm, ayohon galing ni kon tua na sa LNMB ang hingtungdan? :P
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Hmm, ayohon galing ni kon tua na sa LNMB ang hingtungdan? :P

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« Reply #206 on: May 10, 2011, 09:21:20 PM »


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« Reply #207 on: May 10, 2011, 11:59:51 PM »

i was only 1 years old when he was overthrown by People's Power, i have no memory of him, but only through political papers that i read some time ago. i must say tho, he was one daring SOB for canceling habeus corpus. This SOB had guts.

this reminds me of a comment US Sec. of State George Schultz one said about Marcos, "The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch."


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« Reply #208 on: May 11, 2011, 12:06:36 AM »

You performed greatly as well, Isles. The discourse between Way Nada and yourself was filled with in depth research. Way Nada's responses were sterile and almost unblemished with emotionality. I suspect he is some sort of educator or an intelligent banker. lol. Your responses were heated, filled with gut and grim, emotionally driven. As always, you are driven and wily like the pacific waves crashing into the isles. Your performance was passionately given. I commend you both.

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« Reply #209 on: May 11, 2011, 09:45:46 AM »

thanks for the commendation; i need it like a need a hole in the head.
 
oh, by the way, in case you have forgotten, the most intelligent bankers as bankers can be are those wall street bankers who brought the u.s. economy down.

meantime, the discussion is on whether or not marcos deserves a hero’s burial and you end up rating us?  really, lorenz, since when did you learn that you can be an arbitrator and an analyst of people's thoughts to boot ?  even your use of words leaves much room to be desired.  “Gut and grim, emotionally driven”?  whoa.  ???  ‘driven and wily”?  heaven help me.  careful with the word “sterile”; it could also mean “barren, unfruitful, unproductive”. 

one thing is clear; you express appreciation for opinions that dovetail with your own as surely as you continue to piss people off with your airs and sanctimony.  i believe we’re quite familiar with the terms narcissism and messiah complex.  you even have the gall to delete posts that run counter to your self-regard.     

but could you do tblanders a favor by letting discussions be sans ratings of the discussants and their stands?  these remind me of an orangutan with delusions.

DON’T YOU DELETE THIS as you did some of my posts in the past, when they ran counter to your sense of great self!  this is a forum unfortunate enough to have you as one of the administrators, but I can live with that for as long as you don’t make this a forum for your conceit.     

those pacific waves crashing into the isles may come back to you as a tsunami.

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« Reply #210 on: May 11, 2011, 09:55:04 AM »



Hilas bitaw paminawon ning naay mo-assess kunohay sa quality of discussion diri sa TB, unya unsa ra ra ba jud tawoy qualification... :P

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« Reply #211 on: May 11, 2011, 03:45:35 PM »

You are out of topic. Hehehe...

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« Reply #212 on: May 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM »

as his "praise" for you is within the topic?  hehe.

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« Reply #213 on: May 11, 2011, 03:58:55 PM »

we don’t need another hero…


Transparency International ranking (of kleptocrats)

In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in recent years.

In order of amount allegedly stolen (in USD), they are:

1.   Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
2.   Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion) 
3.   Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
4.   Former Nigerian President Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
5.   Former PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat ($1 billion to $10 billion) (These numbers do not come from Transparency International)
6.   Former Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević ($1 billion)
7.   Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
8.   Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
9.   Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
10.   Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
11.   Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)


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« Reply #214 on: May 11, 2011, 04:39:38 PM »

Lorenzo,

The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was a situation created by the communists. The bombing of the Liberal Party  rally at Plaza Miranda was done by the communists/NPA of which Ninoy Aquino's name was riped in the grapevine as one of the suspected plotters. In 1972 another incident happened in the landing of arms from China intended for the communist rebels in the Philippines. This was another evidence of an open rebellion by the communists in our country that gave his government the move to declare Martial Law. The declaration of Martial Law was one brilliant move by Marcos.

The phrase; "The Philippines is composed of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch" is purportedly spoken by an American official. It started at "Taza de Oro" and saw print in the papers after Marcos loosened the grip on freedom of the press.

The phrase was never spoken!

It just the same during the French revolution as claimed that when Marie Antoinette was told that; "the peasants have no more bread"... she answered; "let them eat cake." This is not true and was never uttered by Marie Antoinette.

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« Reply #215 on: May 11, 2011, 05:40:14 PM »
Way Nada,

Quite an interesting parallel you make between the French Revolution and the Toppling of Marcos. :)

Excellent performance, sir. As always, its always interesting to hear the point of view of the other side.

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« Reply #216 on: May 11, 2011, 05:46:59 PM »
Way Nada,

Considering the state of the nation at the time: Communist NPA activities in the north and Muslim Terrorism in the south, the national directive of suspending of habeus corpus can be seen as a necessity at the time. Considering the fact that the country recently just crushed the HUK Rebellion in the late 50s to the 60s, the memory of communist revolution and fear thereof somewhat was accepting to the notion of suspension of habeus corpus so long as the communist threat was minimized/ mitigated.

It is easy for us to argue and debate now. Hindsight is always perfect.


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« Reply #217 on: May 11, 2011, 10:32:11 PM »

You need to learn more about Philippine history, little boy, to make any sense at all.

P.S. Please improve on your spelling, syntax and grammar--not to mention logic, which you seem to be completely devoid of. Reading you makes one think you speak from your ass--where apparently your brain is, if such a body part exists.

P.P.S. Can't you just concentrate on your boring medical studies, for God's sake?  :P

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« Reply #218 on: May 12, 2011, 07:20:22 AM »

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« Reply #219 on: May 12, 2011, 07:21:43 AM »

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