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« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2009, 08:53:03 PM »

Ha ha ha! Mao pud nay akong na obserbahan sa pag analyze ni Lorenzo sa Donsillo ug Donsilla. Wa lang ko mo react. Karon duha na ta. He he he.

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« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2009, 09:22:51 PM »

Ang akong punto lang--and I don't mean to be mean--is that morag naa man goy nakakat-on lag gamayng Espanol unja nagtuo na nga ang ilang utok maka-tackle nag simple intellectual discourse. Por Dios por mio, one should learn just enough information that one's intellectual ability can tackle.  Ang bugo nga makakat-on og Spanish, bugo lang gihapon. Ajaw tawon og pagarpar kon dili kaja sa utok.  
...than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

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« Reply #82 on: July 04, 2009, 09:37:28 PM »

"Gwapang" is actually the contraction of “gwapa nga”.  There is no such word as "sityuwasyon" here, but we have “sitwasyon”; same with ”edyukasyon”, for which we have “edukasyon”. But we have a truly Binisaya word for sitwasyon, which is "kahimtang", although a handful of older people use the Spanish "estado". 

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« Reply #83 on: July 05, 2009, 08:18:25 AM »


It is quite common to refer to an individual who is of a noble class as "Don" or "Don Senor" which is equivalent to the English "Sir, Lord"

In proper Spanish salutation, if say--a commoner would come out of church and see the Gobernador-General, or any member of the upper class, it would be customary to refer to that person as "Don Senor" or "Don Senor Gobernadorcillo"

It would make sense to use the term "Don-cillo" as a contraction of the word "Don Gobernador.

Considering the Filipino trait to "Filipino-ize" Spanish Term.

I already gave an example of the word "Siempre"
In the Spanish speaking world, the word "siempre" means "Always"
But in the Philippines, when we use the word "Syempre" it means "Of course"


If one knows Spanish, we know that the word for "Of Course" is not Siempre, but is "Por Supuesto"
hehehe


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Given the multifaceted nature of the Spanish Language---and the expanse of where Spanish is spoken; it only makes sense that regional tone, dialect, and wording will differ from region to region. The Spanish that is spoken in Spain, will be different to say the Spanish that is spoken in the Canaries, Mexico, Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, Argentina, Honduras, Venezuela---and even in some parts of the Philippines. hehehe.

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Note, that I am not an expert in Spanish. I'm just an average student---I'm not a natural speaker, I only took 5 years of the course. My interest in Spanish is mainly for the historical---and though my understanding and mastery of Spanish is but limited, it is enough for me to read and understand the idioms used in old Castillian and simplified Castillian.

hehehe ;)

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« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2009, 08:20:56 AM »

Thank you for the correction. And we notice from the word "Sitwasyon" that it is indeed Latin Influenced. Same for Edukasyon' hehe.

I apologize for the err in the Filipinoized form of the Spanish word.

I admit that my proficiency in Tagalog as well as Bisaya is very limited.
Am learning tho. hahaha.


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« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2009, 08:33:55 AM »
Do note that the term Don or Doña is given to a man or woman to show respect.
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The meaning of the word has changed over time, actually, as the societies liberalized. Now, in today's time, the word Don or Doña is used as a sign of respect and admiration. It is used commonly by a younger person addressing an individual that is older and wiser.

But if one reads old Castillian documents, the meaning was different. Doña  would be used for a Lady of the Court, A woman of the noble class, or even for the Queen.

For example, a title used for the Queen of Spain would be: Doña Senora Isabella, Reina Espana y Imperio Hispanidad.

When referring to Our Lady, Mother Mary, she is referred to by Spanish speakers as (Doña Maria, Madre de Jesu Cristo, Reina del Cielo)


The prefix 'Don' is already, by right, a salutary word.


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« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2009, 08:40:40 AM »

Actually, no it does not.

The word Doncella literally means "Pretty Lady, Beautiful girl"

The meaning has changed over the years; and from region to region it is used.

It can be used as: Esa doncella es mi hija.  (My daughter is very pretty)
---This is the MODERN way of using it--

Historically, doncella would be used to refer to a lady of the court. A lady in waiting. Noble lady. Literally and figuratively.


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Again, remember that there are over 600 million Spanish speakers in the world. The majority of whom are in Latin and South America.

Only 40-50 million are from Spain.

Idioms that are used will differ from region to region. And every region will apply their own meaning for a particular word/phrase. hehehe.


Its pretty cool tho isn't it? The evolution of language. The transformation of the original.

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« Reply #87 on: July 07, 2009, 12:17:09 AM »
The honorific title "Don", which is very common here in the Philippines and therefore needs no further elucidation, has nothing to do with the etymology of the word "donsilya" which is one of the common terms we use for "virgin". The others are "putli" (virgin or pure) and "ulay" (more commonly used for an untouched older woman, or a spinster, as in "dalagang ulay").  "Kaputli" is, therefore, virginity, or the state of being pure.  "Kinsa ang naggutay-gutay sa putli mong mga gihay?" is a poetic line for "Who deflowered you?"  "Gutay" is to tear; "gihay" is petal. 

In much the same way, "Mam" (from Madam) and Por (from 'por favor') did not evolve into the name of a person which is Mampor.  Mampor is more like Magellan. So, when we say "sa panahon pa ni Mampor" and "sa panahon pa ni Magellan" we mean the same thing. It's like the event happened before history was written. But we can also use it to describe a very old item or old-looking thing like an old pair of shoes: "Daana na anang imong sapatos, uy. Gisul-ob pa man na ni Mampor." 

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« Reply #88 on: July 07, 2009, 10:46:53 AM »
Ive never heard of the term 'Mampor' ever being used in Spanish. And as a fairly fluent speaker, I can attest to the fact that I've never used this term. However, I can attest to the fact that the term 'Por' is indeed Hispanic in origin. It does not bear any Austronesian links.

The word Por is part of the Spanish Request, "Por Favor" meaning 'Please'.

How the word Mampor developed, it alludes my understanding. How it is used in Filipino, is an interesting one.

The Filipino habit of borrowing Latin words and applying a regionalist use and meaning is definitely observed in this specific example. hehehe.

Por is indeed Latin-based.

It is the prefix of some words:

1)Porque (Spanish; for why)
2) Pourquoi (French; again another Latinized language)
3) Por Favor
4) parce que (French for 'because')

As we can observe that the word 'Por' actually derives from the Greek word "Porus", which would be adopted by the Romans (Latinium) in the Latin word of 'Porc'.

Spain, being a Colony of the Roman Empire for 500 years adopted it and used the term as "Por/ Para/ Porque" etc.

hehehe :)


etc.,

Final Analysis: Filipino Language, is indeed a stratified one. Borrowing foreign words and using it and applying a local meaning. A totally different meaning from the original.
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« Reply #89 on: July 07, 2009, 10:50:57 AM »

It requires analysis, as we need to study the origin of the word; to understand the meaning of the original word; the way it was used in Spain--The Mother of the Spanish Language--to which applied influence in the Philippines, which was a Colony of Spain for almost half a millenia.

In order to study something, to properly and fully understand how an idiom can be used and understand the current/modern meaning to the original, one needs to study the origin. The focal point. To see how and where the current meaning has deviated from the original. Its imperative for any linguistics analysis, or for that matter, any sociocultural aspect. :)

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« Reply #90 on: July 07, 2009, 05:21:09 PM »
ara na mang ka advance ning discussion dire. hehehe. wa na makaya sa ahong brain cells, nangbuto na sila. hehehe
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« Reply #91 on: July 07, 2009, 08:57:04 PM »

Bwa ha ha ha! A'ng-a'ng og di mobuto imong alimpatakan nga mampor ug donsilya ra man unta ang hilisgutan, sayon ra man unta na kaayo pagsabot, unya gilisudlisud pa man ang imong tingkoy, he he he.

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« Reply #92 on: July 08, 2009, 09:15:21 AM »
To Tigbao and others, I do love analyzing the meaning of some words that are clearly Hispanized and or borrow from Latin, albeit the fact that the sound and structure of said word bears a different meaning from the borrowed term.

hehehe, dili man lisud, interesting ra kaayo. Kai an exchange of minds gud. up to the individual to take it what it is, positive or negative. hehe.

To continue with the discourse:

Lets study how and why the Word 'Siempre" adopted a totally different meaning here in the Philippines.

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Siempre (Spanish) = Always
Syempre (Pinoy) = Of course

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« Reply #93 on: July 08, 2009, 02:32:39 PM »

sakto bitaw pud ka bay lorenzo, kay ang tumong ug tujo aning thread nga Crazy Language mao man ang pagtuki aning mga kalambigita.


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« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2009, 02:33:16 PM »

salig kay mga bright....hehehehe. buto lamang ahong brain cells nuon.

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« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2009, 02:52:43 PM »
hehehe, wa yamo bright tawhana sa yuta. Ang bright man ang GINOO.
hehehe, kita tanan, below average ra jud ta in the eyes and sight of the LORD.

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« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2009, 06:23:15 PM »
Tawa man ko ani oi,magkayungit lagi ta ba.Hahaha.TGT,di bitaw pod ko tig apil aning topica kay kapoy thinking thingking.
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« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2009, 03:40:20 AM »
hehehe, misty, na unsa naman. ingoon ka di  ka mo ampil sa topica kai kapoy ang thinking2x, pero ning apild man jud ka. hahahahaha!

okey ra pood kai beautiful mang kaayo imung mata. hehehehe!

da lagi ka!

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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2009, 11:29:07 AM »

mao lagi misty, nahuslo lamang ko aning lingkuranan pagbasa naho aning ilang tinubagay ni Sir Koddi ug Bay Lorenzo.

Wa man intawon koy laing hibangkaagan nga sinultihan ang gimahal ra intawon naho nga Binisaja.hehehehe

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« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2009, 07:01:45 PM »
Hello everyone! Ask lng ko unsa ang meaning sa word nga "karamba". Mao man gud ni ang ilitok sa ahong Lolo niadtong buhi pa sija kun masuko. Unsa ma ni sija Binisaya, Spanish or Latin? Nagwonder ko ani kay ang ahong Lolo language instructor man gud. Nagteach cya sauna ug Latin, Spanish, English Literature etc. Wa jud nakaako ug pangutana nija kun unsa ni nga word kay nahadlok makasab-an. Strict man gud cja. Ang word nga "Tad" unsa man pud ang meaning.



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