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« Reply #200 on: May 10, 2011, 09:24:43 AM »
Despite all the feelings antagonistic to Pres. Ferdinand Marcos, I admit that I am a big fan of his. He was a brilliant politician , an intelligent one who stayed in power for over 2 decades. His mastery of the due process of the law and the machinations of the Philippine Government is almost like clockwork.

Marcos' Martial Law Speech. This man had guts.

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« Reply #201 on: May 10, 2011, 04:23:45 PM »
Way Nada,

You're calm and steady nature under pressure is marvelous. You, good sir, are brilliant. Excellent debate to all members in here. Excellent.

I tip my hat to you, Sir WN.


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tip your beard too, as you sit in judgment over mere mortals. ;D


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« Reply #202 on: May 10, 2011, 04:42:37 PM »

His mastery of the due process of the law and the machinations of the Philippine Government is almost like clockwork.

 ???  you seem so sure you sound as if you've lived through it...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #203 on: May 10, 2011, 05:23:17 PM »
10 reasons why Marcos should not be declared a hero

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Must we really go through the reasons why this would be a travesty?  Fine.  Here are the top 10 reasons why, some of them dredged up from the depths of my frustration.

#1. An estimated 10,000 Filipinos killed, tortured and brutalized during Martial Law.  That’s already 10,000 reasons, but let me continue.

#2. His widow will be entitled to a pension.  And we all know she’s already got enough cash—our cash.
I have a theory: we will stand an ever lesser chance of getting our money back from them.  How can any court seize property/funds that belong to a “hero”?  That’s like attempting to impound Rizal’s ancestral home in Laguna (assuming JR stole anything, which he didn’t).

#3. Fake war medals.  FAKE.  Which bit of “fake war medals” is ambiguous?  Okay, he might have served in a clerical position with the US Army but the rest of his alleged heroic exploits have been exposed as lies.  The US Army has never acknowledged the existence of the guerrilla unit he claimed to have led (Ang Mga Maharlika), nor rewarded him for his alleged bravery at the Battle of Bessang Pass.  Why should he be buried with real heroes?

#4. Which brings us to Ka Boni Gillego. Not only did he expose Marcos’s fake medals, he also served as a truly honourable member of the House of Representatives.  Now there’s a great man.  Want to spit on Ka Boni’s grave?  Make Marcos a hero.

#5. DECS will have to revise all history textbooks to glorify Marcos and depict the Martial Law era as a peaceful and prosperous epoch in Philippine history.  Sayang ang papel.  Save the trees, save the planet!

#6. About 25 years from now, a young, brilliant and ambitious politician will run for Congress, then for the senate, then for President.  Then he’ll proclaim that he will save the nation from communism/terrorism/climate change, round up all his critics and throw them in jail, proclaim himself President for life and loot the national coffers dry.  Guess which history books he had been reading as a child?

#7. Speaking of revisionism, we will have to declare Pinochet, Suharto, Duvalier, Somoza and the entire barkada of tyrants and crooks from that era heroes, as well.  Oh, and let’s not forget Muammar Gadaffi, though he’s still alive and being overthrown by enraged Libyans.  When he, um, exits from this world, he’ll have to be declared a hero, too.  It’s all for the sake of consistency.  Can’t make one tyrant a hero while the others stay tyrants—it’s not fair.

Hey, why not go further? Why not also re-classify Hitler as a hero and the Holocaust as a hoax?  (Warning: Making these assertions in public will land you in jail in many European countries.)

#8. Amay Bisaya will be vindicated.  All this time he has professed that the Apo was a patriot and now he’ll be proven right.  Amay Bisaya gloating and doing the dance of joy.  Sit there and contemplate that image.

#9. It will validate the decision of 216 members of the House of Representatives.  Do you really want to give any satisfaction to those scumbags?

It is our moral obligation as responsible Filipino citizens to deny these sleazy lowlifes any form of happiness. They have no qualms about doing it to us.  There they sit in that hall, claiming to represent us, addressing each other as “Honorable,” enjoying the perks of our democracy while savaging it, along with our history.

Here’s news for the 216: no one will remember you in 20 years’ time.  But next elections, we will.

#10. Marcos built his own monument to himself—that automatically disqualifies him from being a hero.  There is one inviolable rule for would-be heroes.  All great men and women know it, though it’s not written anywhere: You cannot honor yourself in any way while you’re still alive. I t’s just not done.  It marks you out as an egomaniac—not hero material.

A portrait is fine; all presidents have their portraits painted for posterity.  An autobiography is acceptable.  But a bust the size of an asteroid is never cool.  Sobrang laki ng ulo.  Literally and figuratively.

I guess tyrants cannot be modest by definition.  I doubt whether they understand that greatness is like a nickname: you cannot give it to yourself; others must confer it upon you. (Newsbreak)


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« Reply #204 on: May 10, 2011, 06:18:54 PM »

#10. Marcos built his own monument to himself—that automatically disqualifies him from being a hero.  There is one inviolable rule for would-be heroes.  All great men and women know it, though it’s not written anywhere: You cannot honor yourself in any way while you’re still alive. I t’s just not done.  It marks you out as an egomaniac—not hero material.

A portrait is fine; all presidents have their portraits painted for posterity.  An autobiography is acceptable.  But a bust the size of an asteroid is never cool.  Sobrang laki ng ulo.  Literally and figuratively.

I guess tyrants cannot be modest by definition.  I doubt whether they understand that greatness is like a nickname: you cannot give it to yourself; others must confer it upon you. (Newsbreak)





Hmm, ayohon galing ni kon tua na sa LNMB ang hingtungdan? :P

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« Reply #205 on: May 10, 2011, 09:05:53 PM »




Hmm, ayohon galing ni kon tua na sa LNMB ang hingtungdan? :P

 Aw! ILA GYUD NAH IPA BELLO! :D

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« Reply #206 on: May 10, 2011, 09:21:20 PM »

Aw! ILA GYUD NAH IPA BELLO! :D

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« Reply #207 on: May 10, 2011, 11:59:51 PM »
???  you seem so sure you sound as if you've lived through it...

i was only 1 years old when he was overthrown by People's Power, i have no memory of him, but only through political papers that i read some time ago. i must say tho, he was one daring SOB for canceling habeus corpus. This SOB had guts.

this reminds me of a comment US Sec. of State George Schultz one said about Marcos, "The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch."



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« Reply #208 on: May 11, 2011, 12:06:36 AM »
tip your beard too, as you sit in judgment over mere mortals. ;D


You performed greatly as well, Isles. The discourse between Way Nada and yourself was filled with in depth research. Way Nada's responses were sterile and almost unblemished with emotionality. I suspect he is some sort of educator or an intelligent banker. lol. Your responses were heated, filled with gut and grim, emotionally driven. As always, you are driven and wily like the pacific waves crashing into the isles. Your performance was passionately given. I commend you both.

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« Reply #209 on: May 11, 2011, 09:45:46 AM »
You performed greatly as well, Isles. The discourse between Way Nada and yourself was filled with in depth research. Way Nada's responses were sterile and almost unblemished with emotionality. I suspect he is some sort of educator or an intelligent banker. lol. Your responses were heated, filled with gut and grim, emotionally driven. As always, you are driven and wily like the pacific waves crashing into the isles. Your performance was passionately given. I commend you both.

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thanks for the commendation; i need it like a need a hole in the head.
 
oh, by the way, in case you have forgotten, the most intelligent bankers as bankers can be are those wall street bankers who brought the u.s. economy down.

meantime, the discussion is on whether or not marcos deserves a hero’s burial and you end up rating us?  really, lorenz, since when did you learn that you can be an arbitrator and an analyst of people's thoughts to boot ?  even your use of words leaves much room to be desired.  “Gut and grim, emotionally driven”?  whoa.  ???  ‘driven and wily”?  heaven help me.  careful with the word “sterile”; it could also mean “barren, unfruitful, unproductive”. 

one thing is clear; you express appreciation for opinions that dovetail with your own as surely as you continue to piss people off with your airs and sanctimony.  i believe we’re quite familiar with the terms narcissism and messiah complex.  you even have the gall to delete posts that run counter to your self-regard.     

but could you do tblanders a favor by letting discussions be sans ratings of the discussants and their stands?  these remind me of an orangutan with delusions.

DON’T YOU DELETE THIS as you did some of my posts in the past, when they ran counter to your sense of great self!  this is a forum unfortunate enough to have you as one of the administrators, but I can live with that for as long as you don’t make this a forum for your conceit.     

those pacific waves crashing into the isles may come back to you as a tsunami.

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« Reply #210 on: May 11, 2011, 09:55:04 AM »

thanks for the commendation; i need it like a need a hole in the head.
 
oh, by the way, in case you have forgotten, the most intelligent bankers as bankers can be are those wall street bankers who brought the u.s. economy down.

meantime, the discussion is on whether or not marcos deserves a hero’s burial and you end up rating us?  really, lorenz, since when did you learn that you can be an arbitrator and an analyst of people's thoughts to boot ?  even your use of words leaves much room to be desired.  “Gut and grim, emotionally driven”?  whoa.  ???  ‘driven and wily”?  heaven help me.  careful with the word “sterile”; it could also mean “barren, unfruitful, unproductive”. 

one thing is clear; you express appreciation for opinions that dovetail with your own as surely as you continue to piss people off with your airs and sanctimony.  i believe we’re quite familiar with the terms narcissism and messiah complex.  you even have the gall to delete posts that run counter to your self-regard.     

but could you do tblanders a favor by letting discussions be sans ratings of the discussants and their stands?  these remind me of an orangutan with delusions.

DON’T YOU DELETE THIS as you did some of my posts in the past, when they ran counter to your sense of great self!  this is a forum unfortunate enough to have you as one of the administrators, but I can live with that for as long as you don’t make this a forum for your conceit.     

those pacific waves crashing into the isles may come back to you as a tsunami.


Hilas bitaw paminawon ning naay mo-assess kunohay sa quality of discussion diri sa TB, unya unsa ra ra ba jud tawoy qualification... :P

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« Reply #211 on: May 11, 2011, 03:45:35 PM »
tip your beard too, as you sit in judgment over mere mortals. ;D


You are out of topic. Hehehe...

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« Reply #212 on: May 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM »
You are out of topic. Hehehe...

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as his "praise" for you is within the topic?  hehe.

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« Reply #213 on: May 11, 2011, 03:58:55 PM »

we don’t need another hero…


Transparency International ranking (of kleptocrats)

In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in recent years.

In order of amount allegedly stolen (in USD), they are:

1.   Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
2.   Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion) 
3.   Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
4.   Former Nigerian President Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
5.   Former PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat ($1 billion to $10 billion) (These numbers do not come from Transparency International)
6.   Former Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević ($1 billion)
7.   Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
8.   Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
9.   Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
10.   Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
11.   Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)


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« Reply #214 on: May 11, 2011, 04:39:38 PM »
i was only 1 years old when he was overthrown by People's Power, i have no memory of him, but only through political papers that i read some time ago. i must say tho, he was one daring SOB for canceling habeus corpus. This SOB had guts.

this reminds me of a comment US Sec. of State George Schultz one said about Marcos, "The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch."



Lorenzo,

The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was a situation created by the communists. The bombing of the Liberal Party  rally at Plaza Miranda was done by the communists/NPA of which Ninoy Aquino's name was riped in the grapevine as one of the suspected plotters. In 1972 another incident happened in the landing of arms from China intended for the communist rebels in the Philippines. This was another evidence of an open rebellion by the communists in our country that gave his government the move to declare Martial Law. The declaration of Martial Law was one brilliant move by Marcos.

The phrase; "The Philippines is composed of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch" is purportedly spoken by an American official. It started at "Taza de Oro" and saw print in the papers after Marcos loosened the grip on freedom of the press.

The phrase was never spoken!

It just the same during the French revolution as claimed that when Marie Antoinette was told that; "the peasants have no more bread"... she answered; "let them eat cake." This is not true and was never uttered by Marie Antoinette.

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« Reply #215 on: May 11, 2011, 05:40:14 PM »
Way Nada,

Quite an interesting parallel you make between the French Revolution and the Toppling of Marcos. :)

Excellent performance, sir. As always, its always interesting to hear the point of view of the other side.

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« Reply #216 on: May 11, 2011, 05:46:59 PM »
Way Nada,

Considering the state of the nation at the time: Communist NPA activities in the north and Muslim Terrorism in the south, the national directive of suspending of habeus corpus can be seen as a necessity at the time. Considering the fact that the country recently just crushed the HUK Rebellion in the late 50s to the 60s, the memory of communist revolution and fear thereof somewhat was accepting to the notion of suspension of habeus corpus so long as the communist threat was minimized/ mitigated.

It is easy for us to argue and debate now. Hindsight is always perfect.


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« Reply #217 on: May 11, 2011, 10:32:11 PM »
Way Nada,

Considering the state of the nation at the time: Communist NPA activities in the north and Muslim Terrorism in the south, the national directive of suspending of habeus corpus can be seen as a necessity at the time. Considering the fact that the country recently just crushed the HUK Rebellion in the late 50s to the 60s, the memory of communist revolution and fear thereof somewhat was accepting to the notion of suspension of habeus corpus so long as the communist threat was minimized/ mitigated.

It is easy for us to argue and debate now. Hindsight is always perfect.


Lorenz.

You need to learn more about Philippine history, little boy, to make any sense at all.

P.S. Please improve on your spelling, syntax and grammar--not to mention logic, which you seem to be completely devoid of. Reading you makes one think you speak from your ass--where apparently your brain is, if such a body part exists.

P.P.S. Can't you just concentrate on your boring medical studies, for God's sake?  :P

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« Reply #218 on: May 12, 2011, 07:20:22 AM »
You need to learn more about Philippine history, little boy, to make any sense at all.

P.S. Please improve on your spelling, syntax and grammar--not to mention logic, which you seem to be completely devoid of. Reading you makes one think you speak from your ass--where apparently your brain is, if such a body part exists.

P.P.S. Can't you just concentrate on your boring medical studies, for God's sake?  :P

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« Reply #219 on: May 12, 2011, 07:21:43 AM »
You need to learn more about Philippine history, little boy, to make any sense at all.

P.S. Please improve on your spelling, syntax and grammar--not to mention logic, which you seem to be completely devoid of. Reading you makes one think you speak from your ass--where apparently your brain is, if such a body part exists.

P.P.S. Can't you just concentrate on your boring medical studies, for God's sake?  :P

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« Reply #220 on: May 12, 2011, 07:28:26 AM »
Yes of course! That was the provision in the constitution that; "the president can declare Martial Law if in his own judgement the Philippines is in iminent danger of rebellion". The shipment of arms from China for the communists was a sign that there was a rebellion. It was not only in Luzon but in Mindanao the MNLF of Nur Misuari openly revolted against the government. This was also one of the factors for the closure of the media that; in time of crisis the media should be pro government.

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Let's dive into a hypothetical situation. Let's say that Marcos didn't impose Martial Law. Do you think that the Philippine Government could have suppressed the MNLF as well as the Communist NPA rebellion ? Tho I can see why he imposed it, I cannot help but ponder on the possibilities had he deviated from the imposition of Martial Law. Do you think he went overboard by imposing it?

It is rather interesting because during that time, Thailand was experiencing the same political instability and experiencing the same Communist insurgency as the Philippines. I liken Marcos' imposition of Martial Law as an extreme action as that of Thai Prime Minister Thanom Kittikachorn, who imposed a government coup in 1971 and suspended the Thai Parliament. In the process he elected himself as Chairman of the National Executive Council on basis of national security. He served another 4th term as Prime Minister until protesters denounced him; when Thai King Bhumibol Adulyadej intervened, Thanom was forced to resign, which ultimately led to the democratisation of Thailand.

One could even claim that Marcos' actions were similar to that of Thanom's. Thanom's loss of power forshadowed Marcos' ultimate loss of political mandate.

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« Reply #221 on: May 12, 2011, 07:58:32 AM »
Way Nada,

I think that the imposition of Martial Law was an effect of the alarming panic the nation had and fear of Communist Insurgency. As per the concept of the Domino Theory (coined by US Pres. Dwight Eisenhower). One has to take into consideration that during the time, The American Forces were already beginning to abandon South Vietnam in 1972/1973 until the abandonment of Saigon in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed to Communist North Vietnam. With Communism then rapidly spreading to Laos and infiltrating into Cambodia as well as Thailand, ...

The political and cultural climate of South East Asia clearly depicted panic and thus, some actions that are now being deemed 'excessive/ unecessary' was not seen as such back then, instead was seen as necessary to prevent the Vietnamese situation from repeating in the Philippines.

Again. It is easy for us now to debate and talk about this. Hindsight is always perfect.  :)



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« Reply #222 on: May 12, 2011, 08:08:57 AM »
i was only 1 years old when he was overthrown by People's Power, i have no memory of him, but only through political papers that i read some time ago. i must say tho, he was one daring SOB for canceling habeus corpus. This SOB had guts.

this reminds me of a comment US Sec. of State George Schultz one said about Marcos, "The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch."



Wayuk lagi ka mo debate bisan gakamang pa kaw adto panahona aw eh nagkabat kabat na diay sa libro nou? ^_^

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« Reply #223 on: May 12, 2011, 08:40:05 AM »
Wayuk lagi ka mo debate bisan gakamang pa kaw adto panahona aw eh nagkabat kabat na diay sa libro nou? ^_^

haha. ning kamang kamang ko sa sawog sa unang panahon. ning duwa duwa pa ko sa lego blocks sigoro. bwahahaha.

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« Reply #224 on: May 12, 2011, 08:47:16 AM »
haha. ning kamang kamang ko sa sawog sa unang panahon. ning duwa duwa pa ko sa lego blocks sigoro. bwahahaha.

Wla diay ka manguhag agoyangyang and magpaaway ug gamba? ^_^

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« Reply #225 on: May 12, 2011, 08:51:43 AM »
Wla diay ka manguhag agoyangyang and magpaaway ug gamba? ^_^

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« Reply #227 on: May 12, 2011, 09:53:08 AM »
Sakit na akong tiil ug nilingkod ug binasa sa kaguliyang sa inyong mga salabutan mahitungod ni Ka Ferdi (dili si BQN ha). So far so good, I'm on page 30 na (sukad pagsugod sa kabanata). For the meantime let me put in my .5 cent sa lang...

those pacific waves crashing into the isles may come back to you as a tsunami

Oh I bow down in worship (panata only) to the godliness of this wrath  ;D

To WN:
You really make me think and put sense (really!) to a lot of misunderstanding I have about the most hated man I've ever known that catapulted me to reckless abandon as a young 20 year old painting a whole town red in Laguna with KMs, sitting-ins with beautiful "kolehiyalas" of St. Scholastica listening to political maneuvers of the 80s, living with farmers who double-job as NPAs in Samal, Bataan, learning the trick and trade of herbal medicine and acapuncture with leftist guerillas in the Cavite Resettlement Areas, organizing a whole sector of church-people throughout the Southern Tagalog region as a seminarian and later on the whole of Central Luzon and part of the North as a young priest. Wew! Did I do all that? And in the midst of all that, I was given "full protection" by the now-defunct Philippine Constabulary of Imus, Cavite by order of its superior who is a paisano from Corella, Bohol (Col. Zosimo Angan... kaila pa siguro si Sir FD ani) who happened to be my dad's classmate at Bohol High in the 50's. All he said to me then was, "Doy, unya na pag sukol-sukol sa gobierno kung mahuman nakag eskwela... kay mao ra ba nay rason nganong nia ka dire sa Tagaytay, dili ang pag rebelde." Believe me when I say, at that age, I did almost everything without thinking and/or reflecting the consequence of what I was doing... I was a "tira-pasagad" kind of guy who thought was full-of-conviction, but one who still found time to sing in some folk-houses of Manila kung makalugsong intawon sa syudad.  ;D

And this is my story kabahin sa Martial Law.

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« Reply #228 on: May 12, 2011, 11:52:19 AM »
Way Nada,

Quite an interesting parallel you make between the French Revolution and the Toppling of Marcos. :)

Excellent performance, sir. As always, its always interesting to hear the point of view of the other side.

The phrase; "The Philippines is composed of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch"... was never spoken by an American official. It started as a political intrigue at "Taza de Oro" and printed in the anti Marcos newspapers to manipulate public opinion.

This is what happened in the Philippine media today; "when they say it's the voice of the people"... always expect that it is only the opinion of the writer using the "people" to commit a lie.

The phrase; "let them eat cake"... allegedly spoken by Marie Antoinette is also bogus. It is printed in the Parisienne Gazette during the French revolution to manipulate public opinion. Marie Antoinette was executed by the mob not because of a political crime but she was accused of incest; a common crime.

There are some kind of parallels between the French revolution and the mob that toppled Marcos. The French revolution stormed the Bastille only to find out that there were only eight prisoners convicted of common crimes. They did not find any political prisoner in the Bastille. Malacanang also was stormed by the mob to look for the fabled $20 billion dollars but there was none.

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« Reply #229 on: May 12, 2011, 12:55:10 PM »
Sakit na akong tiil ug nilingkod ug binasa sa kaguliyang sa inyong mga salabutan mahitungod ni Ka Ferdi (dili si BQN ha). So far so good, I'm on page 30 na (sukad pagsugod sa kabanata). For the meantime let me put in my .5 cent sa lang...

Oh I bow down in worship (panata only) to the godliness of this wrath  ;D

To WN:
You really make me think and put sense (really!) to a lot of misunderstanding I have about the most hated man I've ever known that catapulted me to reckless abandon as a young 20 year old painting a whole town red in Laguna with KMs, sitting-ins with beautiful "kolehiyalas" of St. Scholastica listening to political maneuvers of the 80s, living with farmers who double-job as NPAs in Samal, Bataan, learning the trick and trade of herbal medicine and acapuncture with leftist guerillas in the Cavite Resettlement Areas, organizing a whole sector of church-people throughout the Southern Tagalog region as a seminarian and later on the whole of Central Luzon and part of the North as a young priest. Wew! Did I do all that? And in the midst of all that, I was given "full protection" by the now-defunct Philippine Constabulary of Imus, Cavite by order of its superior who is a paisano from Corella, Bohol (Col. Zosimo Angan... kaila pa siguro si Sir FD ani) who happened to be my dad's classmate at Bohol High in the 50's. All he said to me then was, "Doy, unya na pag sukol-sukol sa gobierno kung mahuman nakag eskwela... kay mao ra ba nay rason nganong nia ka dire sa Tagaytay, dili ang pag rebelde." Believe me when I say, at that age, I did almost everything without thinking and/or reflecting the consequence of what I was doing... I was a "tira-pasagad" kind of guy who thought was full-of-conviction, but one who still found time to sing in some folk-houses of Manila kung makalugsong intawon sa syudad.  ;D

And this is my story kabahin sa Martial Law.

Are you Fr. Lungay who composed songs for the SPOT? If so... you are the nephew of my late Tia Sophia of Balilihan. How are you related to Arn Lungay?

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« Reply #230 on: May 12, 2011, 04:44:10 PM »

Is Marcos really dead? Where’s the death certificate?  

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In his mind, he was the dashing guerrilla leader, the fearless soldier who engaged the Japanese in fierce encounters during World War 2.

Ferdinand Marcos certainly had a wild imagination. Which actually makes me think: If he had the gall to fake his heroism, could he have also faked (cue ominous music) his own death?

Think about it: Is Marcos really dead? Where’s the proof? Sure, they have him on display in a freezer up north—but is that really him? Has anyone seen the death certificate? The real one?

Remember, the dictator died in (cue ominous music again) Hawaii.

Yep, that Hawaii. The Hawaii of American conspiracy theorists who this week succeeded in making the president of the United States release the original version of his birth certificate to prove he was born there and therefore legally qualified to be the chief.

Shouldn’t a despised ex-Philippine president also be compelled to show proof of his own death in that same conspiracy-theory-challenged state? If America can have a Birthers movement, heck, Pinoys should launch a Deathers Crusade.

After all, what can be scarier than a dead dictator who turned out to be still alive! And this one has unrepentant allies pushing to have him be given a hero’s funeral.

In fact, that’s an important point: Amid all this talk of burying Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani, shouldn’t we, first of all, verify that he is dead?

Well, all right, I’m kidding.

But this business of honoring the late dictator as a hero has turned into such an ugly joke, why not have some fun with it.

Maybe P-Noy and Binay would see the silliness of the proposal and realize it is they who will be remembered as political jokes if they let the Marcoses pull yet another cruel trick on the Filipino nation.

Are they really serious about making a decision based on text messages from the public? What is this, American Idol?

Well, if that's the case, at least, let the late tyrant perform first before the vote. American Idol is paying tribute to Carole King this week, so why not have the dictator appear on stage with Imelda, and have her sing “You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman” while retouching Ferdie’s makeup?

That would even underscore one of Marcos’s biggest contributions to the country: He made us laugh.

Admit it, Marcos and Imelda made us laugh. If it weren’t for all the people who died and suffered during the regime, we actually could look back at that time as funny years.

Who would deny that the Dovie Beams affair was one of the most jaw-dropping and hilarious political sex scandals in world history?

How can you top Imelda and her theory of a hole in the sky above the Philippines through which cosmic rays pass to protect the country from disaster?

Marcos and Imelda jokes kept us entertained even as we endured tyranny. And we didn’t even have cell phones back then for speedy mass distribution.

I remember one during one of the rallies after Ninoy’s assassination when Marcos’s face often looked swollen. The protest poster read: “Mamaga sana ang mukha ng nagpapatay kay Ninoy. (I hope whoever had Ninoy killed gets a swollen face).” Well, it’s funnier in Tagalog.

And we should thank Marcos for helping jumpstart the career of undoubtedly one of the nation’s greatest comic talents—and the king of Marcos impersonators—Willie Nepomuceno.

He was so good as the Fake Marcos that during the critical hours of the 1986 People Power Revolt, when the dictator appeared on TV to prove he was still in charge, there were those who believed it was a ploy—that it was Willie Nepomuceno who was trying to rally people to the Marcos camp.

Of course, Nepomuceno the Fake Marcos faced a crisis when the Real Marcos—or should that be the Real Fake Hero Marcos?—was kicked out of the country, and later died.

But Nepomuceno bounced back. His career did not die with the dictator. He star shined even brighter as he impersonated other politicos, including former Presidents Fidel Ramos (complete with fake ears) and Joseph Estrada (with the fake sideburns).

Willie Nepomuceno lived on, fulfilling the vow of the dictator who inspired his career, and who also proved to have a quirky sense of humor by once famously declaring: “I do not intend to die.”


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« Reply #231 on: May 12, 2011, 04:50:00 PM »

The true empowerment of democracy was exhibited in EDSA by its successful efforts to oust a tyrant by a demonstration without tolerance for violence and bloodshed. Prayers and rosaries strengthened by faith were the only weapons that the Filipinos used to recover their freedom from President Ferdinand Marcos’s iron hands. The Epifanio de los Santos Avenue (EDSA) stretches 54 kilometers, where the peaceful demonstration was held on that fateful day. It was a day that gathered all Filipinos in unity with courage and faith to prevail democracy in the country. It was the power of the people, who assembled in EDSA, that restored the democratic Philippines, ending the oppressive Marcos regime. Hence, it came to be known as the EDSA People Power’s Revolution.

The revolution was a result of the long oppressed freedom and the life threatening abuses executed by the Marcos government to cite several events like human rights violation since the tyrannical Martial Law Proclamation in 1972. In the years that followed Martial Law started the suppressive and abusive years–incidents of assassination were rampant, particularly those who opposed the government, individuals and companies alike were subdued. The Filipinos reached the height of their patience when former Senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino, Sr. was shot and killed at the airport in August 21, 1983, upon his return to the Philippines from exile in the United States. Aquino’s death marked the day that Filipinos learned to fight. His grieving wife, Corazon Cojuangco-Aquino showed the Filipinos and the world the strength and courage to claim back the democracy that Ferdinand Marcos arrested for his personal caprice. Considering the depressing economy of the country, Ninoy’s death further intensified the contained resentment of the Filipinos. In the efforts to win back his popularity among the people, Marcos held a snap presidential election in February 7, 1986, where he was confronted with a strong and potent opposition, Corazon Aquino. It was the most corrupt and deceitful election held in the Philippine history. There was an evident trace of electoral fraud as the tally of votes were declared with discrepancy between the official count by the COMELEC (Commission on Elections) and the count of NAMFREL (National Movement for Free Elections). Such blatant corruption in that election was the final straw of tolerance by the Filipinos of the Marcos regime.

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« Reply #232 on: May 12, 2011, 05:00:53 PM »

Ferdinand Marcos  
Philippine President and Thief

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Millions stashed in a frozen Swiss bank account. Dozens of crates of prized possessions shipped across oceans. A man dying in exile in Hawaii. These statements might bring to mind thoughts of James Bond or the latest action film, but in reality they pertain to the life of a real man: Ferdinand Marcos.

Born in 1917 to a Mariano Marcos, a politician, and Josefa Edralin, a teacher, Marcos entered the world in the south Asian islands of the Philippines. At the time, the islands had been controlled by the American government for only two decades since the Spanish-American War, and the political structure was still being established. Following after his father, Marcos enrolled at the University of the Philippines to study law after completing his foundational schooling, but his final year at the university was interrupted. The court called him to be tried for a murder which he had committed three years earlier. The victim was the political rival of his father, who had championed his father in a political race. A strong case stated that Marcos had shot the man the day after the race as the man celebrated in his home. Marcos was found guilty, yet he appealed the case to a higher court, the Philippine Supreme Court. He decided to put his knowledge of the law to a test by representing himself in court, and while being held for six months wrote his own 830 page appeal. After arguing his defense, the case was overturned, freeing him to return to court the next day in order to be certified as he had passed the bar exam. He became a trial lawyer in Manila, until beginning his service as an officer in the Philippine armed forces during World War II.

Marcos emerged from the war claiming to have led a guerrilla unit against the Japanese and to have been highly decorated by the American forces for his service, all of which proved to be falsehoods. In fact, he had spent much of the time during the war suffering in hospitals and causing disturbance which almost led to his execution at the conclusion of the war. The close of the war also acted as the end of America’s rule over the Philippines, establishing the country as independent. At this point Marcos redirected his career to politics, becoming the assistant to the first president of the new republic, Manuel Roxas. Several years later, in 1949, Marcos won a seat in the House of Representatives, becoming the youngest member. He quickly began establishing himself as a member of the Philippine elite, using his personal influence for great and practically instantaneous self gain. Marcos succeed in retaining his seat for two reelections, and withheld from entering the 1961 presidential candidacy under the understanding that the following election he would be given the spot. Backstabbed, Marcos was denied his guaranteed presidential nomination and instantaneously switched parties in the following election, surprisingly wining by a landslide. Promising improved living conditions and land reform under his leadership, Marcos’ true personal priority of self gain eventually became evident. As President, he fostered good relations with America, by encouraging the development of American military bases on the islands. These seemingly selfless acts actually allowed for billions of dollars to make their way into the Philippine economy, and for his wife, Imelda, to head up prestige projects which constructed elegant hotels and museums. The economy blossomed, and Marcos was reelected in 1969. His second term proved to be less smooth than his first, as the communist party began causing upset and citizens began to disapprove of American presence in the county and Marcos’ support of American’s stance towards Vietnam. According to law, Marcos reign was limited to two terms, yet at the end of his second term he declared marshal law to continue his rule, claiming that Communist rebel groups were causing upset on the islands. This act dissolved Congress and the constitution, establishing Marcos as the sole ultimate power.

Marcos became a dictator, preventing free speech and quelling any political opposition instantaneously. During the following years, Marcos and his wife amassed huge amounts of money, sucking them from the Philippine economy through controlled industry monopolies and banking. Marcos orders for military forces to be increased, tripling it in size between 1971 and 1983. Oppression increased as living standards collapsed and unrest among the people grew. In 1981, Marcos attempts to regain his people’s support by ending marshal law and conducting a rigged election in which he won by a landslide, but this only results in increased dissension. Attempting to gain favor again in 1986, Marcos holds another election, but this time the fraud sparks rebellion. The Marcoses are forced to run in exile to Hawaii, bringing with them countless precious personal belongings, jewels and gold, all stolen from his people. The Philippine government recovered millions from Marcos’ Swiss bank accounts, but only after significant investigation and aid from the Swiss government. Marcos remained in exile in Hawaii, despite rumors of planned attempts to regain control of the Philippines through invasion. In 1987 he was indicted by a American federal jury for fraud and obstruction of justice, but he died in Honolulu the following year before his trial was held.

Although Ferdinand Marcos’ life may seem like an exotic tale of adventure, his actions warranted hideous results. The country he claimed to rule was left in economic shambles, full of people who were denied their freedoms and adequate living standards. His life is a tale of destruction and selfish desires which wounded the history of a nation.

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« Reply #233 on: May 12, 2011, 05:18:46 PM »

The Philippines 1972-1986


1972 - Using the excuse of an alleged assassination attempt against Defence Minister Juan Ponce Enrile, Marcos declares martial law on 21 September, promising to eliminate poverty and injustice and create a "new society." It is later revealed that the assassination attempt had been staged by the military.

Opposition figures (including Benigno 'Ninoy' Aquino), journalists, student and labour activists and criminals are arrested and detained at military compounds run by the army and the police. Newspapers are closed and the mass media tightly controlled. Demonstrations, strikes and boycotts are outlawed. Marcos assumes absolute legislative power. The constitution, which permits presidents only two terms in office, is suspended.

1973 - A new constitution allowing Marcos to stay in office indefinitely and to rule by decree is introduced. The result is confirmed by a fraudulent referendum enabling him to continue as president until the end of martial law and to arbitrarily appoint all government officials, including members of the judiciary. Imelda Marcos is made governor of Manila and minister of human settlements and ecology.

Martial law initially brings stability and an economic turnaround but with the costs of reduced social freedoms and increasing corruption. Limited land reforms are introduced but prove ineffective. Manufacturing and business enterprises are nationalised or handed to Marcos's cronies or relatives. Profits are siphoned off for personal enrichment and mismanagement is rife.

The armed forces are politicised. Officers from Marcos's home province are promoted to high rank. A childhood friend of Marcos becomes chief-of-staff of the armed forces and head of the internal security network. Officers are appointed to manage several corporations and the military is ordered to take control of all public utilities and the media. The size of the army is also increased, with numbers swelling from about 58,000 in 1971 to 142,000 in 1983.

The military has virtually unlimited powers to search, arrest and detain civilians without reason and without recourse to legal representation. Military tribunals are set up throughout the country to try and sentence detainees. The civilian courts are striped of their power and autonomy, and the Philippine police force is placed under military control. It is estimated that more than 60,000 people are arrested between 1972 and 1977.

Politically prisoners are routinely tortured by the military. "Disappearances" and murders of suspected political activists are common, with over 500 cases being recorded for the period 1975-80. Meanwhile, inflation and unemployment rise while already low living standards drop.

The brutality of the regime and the stagnating economy causes may Filipinos to turn to the communists for protection and support.

1976 - The constitution is amended further to allow Marcos to continue to rule by degree even after the lifting of martial law.

1977 - Benigno Aquino, leader of the Philippines democratic opposition, is tried by a military court, found guilty of subversion and sentenced to death. The sentence, however, is never applied.

1980 - Aquino, who is ill, is released in May to receive medical treatment in the US. He will remain in the US, becoming a leader of the opposition in exile.

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« Reply #234 on: May 12, 2011, 05:20:37 PM »

1981 - Marcos proclaims the end of martial law on 17 January. He wins an overwhelming majority in a presidential election held in June, but the vote is rigged and is boycotted by the main opposition groups.

1983 - After three years in exile, Aquino decides to return to the Philippines and help end the Marcos regime. However, minutes after his arrival at Manilla airport on 21 August he is shot in the head and killed. The lone assassin is shot on the spot.

Marcos claims the assassin is a communist, but a subsequent government commission of inquiry finds that the military had conspired in Aquino's death. However, the finding is rejected and those accused of the conspiracy are allowed to go free.

Aquino's funeral procession draws hundreds of thousands of mourners. It is the largest demonstration in the history of the Philippines and marks the beginning of the 'People's Power' movement led by Aquino's widow, Corazon Cojuangco Aquino.

Meanwhile, the domestic economy grinds to a halt and then begins to contract. But while the salaries of Filipinos are, in real terms, half as much as they were in 1956, the share of the national income held by the wealthiest 10th of the country has increased from 27% to 37%.

As living standards decline further the business community begins to speak out against the Marcos regime. The NPA gains further ground in rural areas. In the cities and towns Communist Party influence continues to spread.

1985 - In November Marcos announces that an election for president will be held on 7 February of the following year. Corazon Aquino announces that she will stand as a candidate.

1986 - The election is held on schedule but the results are contested, with the opposition and Roman Catholic Church claiming widespread fraud and intimidation. Marcos is proclaimed the official winner on 15 February, sparking a rebellion by Defence Minister Enrile, armed forces vice chief-of-staff Fidel Ramos, and the commander of the Philippine police, who also believe that the vote has been rigged.

Calling on Marcos to resign, the rebels receive the backing of the church and the support of the people. The armed forces either join the rebellion or, faced-off by massive crowds gathered around the rebel's camp, decline to intervene.

On 25 February the Marcoses run, abandoning the presidential palace and flying to Hawaii in the US. Their 20-year regime is at its end. As the Marcoses flee, Corazon Aquino is sworn in as president, riding in on the massive wave of 'People's Power'.

When Marcos arrives in Hawaii he is said to be carrying suitcases containing jewels, 24 gold bricks and certificates for billions of dollars of gold bullion. His Swiss bank accounts are estimated to contain between US$3 billion and US$35 billion stolen from his country. The Philippine's foreign debt is about US$28 billion.

The new government acts quickly to recover deposits in the Marcoses' Swiss accounts. A formal request for assistance is sent to the Swiss Federal Police on 7 April. However, it takes 18 years for the US$624 million that is discovered to be returned to the Philippines Treasury.

To this day, the existence and whereabouts of the rest of the Marcos billions remains unconfirmed despite detailed investigations by the US Senate.


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« Reply #235 on: May 12, 2011, 05:38:12 PM »
Nanumbalik , na refresh ang akong history subject..cgi raman panglamaw ug tambay sa grandstand haha

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« Reply #236 on: May 12, 2011, 06:05:51 PM »

He he, maayo ning naay refresher course kay naa nay nangabarod...

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« Reply #237 on: May 12, 2011, 06:10:33 PM »
He he, maayo ning naay refresher course kay naa nay nangabarod...

As in..flying saucer na ang rambol dani ba..? way to go...

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« Reply #238 on: May 12, 2011, 06:15:13 PM »
Sakit na akong tiil ug nilingkod ug binasa sa kaguliyang sa inyong mga salabutan mahitungod ni Ka Ferdi (dili si BQN ha). So far so good, I'm on page 30 na (sukad pagsugod sa kabanata). For the meantime let me put in my .5 cent sa lang...

Oh I bow down in worship (panata only) to the godliness of this wrath  ;D

To WN:
You really make me think and put sense (really!) to a lot of misunderstanding I have about the most hated man I've ever known that catapulted me to reckless abandon as a young 20 year old painting a whole town red in Laguna with KMs, sitting-ins with beautiful "kolehiyalas" of St. Scholastica listening to political maneuvers of the 80s, living with farmers who double-job as NPAs in Samal, Bataan, learning the trick and trade of herbal medicine and acapuncture with leftist guerillas in the Cavite Resettlement Areas, organizing a whole sector of church-people throughout the Southern Tagalog region as a seminarian and later on the whole of Central Luzon and part of the North as a young priest. Wew! Did I do all that? And in the midst of all that, I was given "full protection" by the now-defunct Philippine Constabulary of Imus, Cavite by order of its superior who is a paisano from Corella, Bohol (Col. Zosimo Angan... kaila pa siguro si Sir FD ani) who happened to be my dad's classmate at Bohol High in the 50's. All he said to me then was, "Doy, unya na pag sukol-sukol sa gobierno kung mahuman nakag eskwela... kay mao ra ba nay rason nganong nia ka dire sa Tagaytay, dili ang pag rebelde." Believe me when I say, at that age, I did almost everything without thinking and/or reflecting the consequence of what I was doing... I was a "tira-pasagad" kind of guy who thought was full-of-conviction, but one who still found time to sing in some folk-houses of Manila kung makalugsong intawon sa syudad.  ;D

And this is my story kabahin sa Martial Law.

Makarelate ko ana..gamay ra pod hinoon kay bata pa c Sabel adto nga time..t'was then..


d'rest? i sealed my lips uhm..

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The Martial Law Years: Looking Back
By Definitely Filipino Community | September 12, 2010


Any history student worth his salt can quote George Santayana in his first day in class: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” What then is the value of remembering the darkest era we have faced as a nation – the Martial Law era?

My parents – who were married on September 21, 1972, of all dates – often joked that everything was fine before and during their wedding, but as they went out of the church as newlyweds, everything went haywire. Of course, Martial Law wasn’t to be implemented until the next day, September 22, exactly 28 years after President Jose P. Laurel placed the country in a similar situation because of the Japanese occupation of the country. President Ferdinand Marcos declared a state of Martial Law as a response to mounting civilian unrest and to the Communist threat posed by the New People’s Army (NPA), especially the Plaza Miranda bombing and the assassination attempt on Defense Secretary Juan Ponce Enrile. Many believe that the Communist Party of the Philippines, headed by Jose Maria Sison, is the culprit behind the Plaza Miranda bombing, an accusation that Sison denies to this day. As a result of the bombing, and in a move of pure cunning, President Marcos suspended the writ of habeas corpus – an act that served as an overture to Martial Law itself.

Martial Law was initially welcomed by some sectors of society, but the honeymoon was soon over as human rights violations – most often involving torture, rape, and murder (and sometimes all of the above) – as well as press censorship, became the order of the day for the military. My college professor, who asked that his name be withheld, was one of the thousands of activists who were abducted by the police and tortured for information. He recounts the torture techniques that were used against the victims. “Rape was commonplace. We were stripped and made to sit on blocks of ice. The women were blindfolded and the torturers threatened to cut off their nipples if they didn’t give them information; the torturers inserted strands of walis tingting up their urethra if the victims didn’t cooperate.”

The number of human rights violations and murders escalated and tension was mounting everywhere; Martial Law didn’t solve the country’s problem with unrest, but actually aggravated it.


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