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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2011, 05:58:57 AM »

Punishment is not a matter of revenge or even justice, Father Carroll wrote. It is the community rising to reaffirm values seriously violated. “Not to react as a community would be to reduce a community’s values or ‘common conscience’ to personal preference—and invite collapse.”

Hmm. Records show that time and again we have neglected "to reaffirm values seriously violated".


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2011, 12:48:59 PM »
Nganong dili man ilubong si Marcos sa Libingan nga mga Bayani nga dili man tanan gilubong diha mga bayani. ? Dapit ilubong regardless of any reason.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2011, 09:43:34 PM »
asos jod pride ra tanan naa aning marcos ngano man diay kon ilubong siya deli sa mga bayani na lobnganan,,,,,dakong sagpa nis PILIPINAS,,,dektador god,,nya pasidunggan pa????

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2011, 10:23:28 PM »

Nganong dili man ilubong si Marcos sa Libingan nga mga Bayani nga dili man tanan gilubong diha mga bayani. ? Dapit ilubong regardless of any reason.

Hmm, iapil na lang pud kaha ang congressmen nga nagpasiugda ani...

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2011, 01:04:02 PM »
Tan-awa ninjo kung mipirma ba ang congressman sa Bohol sa House Resolution 1135, A RESOLUTION URGING THE ADMINISTRATION OF PRESIDENT BENIGNO C. AQUINO III TO ALLOW THE BURIAL OF THE REMAINS OF FORMER PRESIDENT FERDINAND EDRALIN MARCOS AT THE LIBINGAN NG MGA BAYANI.

http://blogwatch.tv/news/list-of-reps-who-authored-the-resolution-supporting-the-burial-of-ferdinand-marcos-at-the-libingan-ng-mga-bayani/



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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2011, 02:31:27 PM »

i caught the names of bohol congressmen AUMENTADO, ERICO BOYLES and YAP, ARTHUR CUA.  bisan unsaon nakog balik-balik, di gyod nako makit-an ang RELAMPAGOS, RENE L.  i hope wa ko matamataha.  this is one way of knowing our congressmen.  did their votes ever speak for the people they represent?  did they make any consultations?


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2011, 02:43:33 PM »

Oi, cannot open the Internet site man sa akong computer... :P

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2011, 04:20:23 PM »
to hubag bohol, tua na watch ot list imong IP Doy! ;D

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2011, 05:55:49 PM »
i caught the names of bohol congressmen AUMENTADO, ERICO BOYLES and YAP, ARTHUR CUA.  bisan unsaon nakog balik-balik, di gyod nako makit-an ang RELAMPAGOS, RENE L.  i hope wa ko matamataha.  this is one way of knowing our congressmen.  did their votes ever speak for the people they represent?  did they make any consultations?


Agree ko ani nga statement.

Among congressman pud akip, MERCADO, ROGER.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2011, 05:32:58 PM »


Angelo Reyes the former army chief who is a traitor by defying his sworn allegiance to protect the constitution was about to be charged in court of corruption committed suicide and never give the people a chance to know whether he was guilty or not...  but interred in the Libingan anyway. Marcos wanted to face the music but never given a chance for his day in court.
 
The Philippine government charged him in a Seattle court of accepting bribe from Westinghouse Inc.. The court decided in favor of Marcos and Westinghouse Inc. agreeing to Westinghouse Inc. that the 10 million dollars given as commission to Marcos is not a bribe but the money is a commission. This is a policy of Westinghouse Inc. and I agree also because even in our country commission is legal.
 
Imelda was also charged in New York of R.I.C.O. case but was pronounced innocent by the court. The court argue that the sin of Marcos is not the sin of Imelda.

 AFP Regulations G 161-373: “Allocation of Cemetery Plots at the LNMB”, which was issued on April 9, 1986 by GHQ under then AFP Chief of Staff General Fidel V. Ramos and then President Corazon C. Aquino, as amended by AFP Regulations G 161-375 on September 11, 2000, is the set of regulations that govern the interment at the LNMB."  

Marcos deserves to be buried in the LNMB because... according to the former senator Ernesto Macedo; "former President Marcos is entitled to be interred at the LNMB because he belongs to not one but four categories in the allocation of plots at the Libingan."

— As Medal of Valor awardee

— As former President

— As former Secretary of National Defense

— As veteran of World War 2

This is the truth about Marcos and I hope this will put him to rest at the Libingan ng mga Bayani. He maybe a villain to some but a hero to the vast majority of the people. Let us try to live with it.
 
Marcos and Erap were disgraced and demonized by the media. They did not disgrace their honor.

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2011, 02:49:07 AM »

as the rest of us wait for more reasons on how "to try to live with it", here's an unemotional take on this topic:

Was Marcos a Hero?

No. But he was a soldier



HOME Marcos’s family brings his body home from Hawaii in 1993 (Photo: Jun Camarillo)


SORSOGON Rep. Salvador Escudero III has introduced a resolution supporting the burial of the waxy corpse of dictator Ferdinand Marcos in the Libingan ng mga Bayani—the misnamed heroes’ cemetery where among the honored sleepers are war veterans, guerrillas, former presidents, and people like Haydee Yorac who distinguished themselves in service to the people of the Philippines. But basically it is a military cemetery. All soldiers who die in battle in any of our conflicts are entitled to be buried there.

Nearly 200 congressmen have signed the resolution. Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr., son of the dictator, has been pressing since February for the burial among dead soldiers of his father, who, he says, was a war hero. This was disputed during the campaign for the 1986 snap election. The dispute had to do with whether Marcos deserved all of the 27 war medals that he claimed he had earned. There were questions about the authenticity of those medals, but Marcos insisted they were authentic. The opposition couldn’t care less—the only thing that was in dispute was whether he deserved them all.

What is undisputable is that Marcos was a soldier against the Japanese, something very few Filipinos were.

To be sure, Marcos’s guerrilla unit Ang Mga Maharlika, was a product of his imagination. No war veteran remembers it, much less fighting as a member of it. But that he fought the Japanese is not disputed or has been disproved, nor that he wore the uniform of a soldier for which he was socially despised by the old rich who whispered that he was too poor to date their daughters in proper linen suits.

To be sure, too, Marcos fought for the country’s freedom from Japanese occupation, although in 1972, as president, he contrived to suppress that freedom. But again there is no question that he was able to hold together a fissile and fragile economy when the Arabs clamped a global embargo on oil exports and destroyed most of the world’s economies. Marcos’s iron grip, with which he held the opposition by the neck, also held the economy together.

Saving the economy during that difficult time, however, would not entitle Marcos to be buried among dead soldiers. What entitles him is his having been a soldier, decorated or not. He was, and so it seems he is entitled to be buried in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV, a former soldier, supports Escudero’s resolution for the same reason: hero or heel, Marcos was a soldier and he should be buried there. But not among ex-presidents, national artists and scientists and other notable men and women, but among the soldiers, under the same poor-quality marble cross with just a few words roughly carved on it— the dates of his birth and death and a single word to describe his service: “SOLDIER.”

Marcos’s friends are behind the House resolution, supposedly inspired by a recent Social Weather Stations poll that found that 50 percent of the Filipinos favor Marcos’s burial in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. President Benigno Aquino III, whose father, Sen. Benigno Aquino Jr., was one of the victims of Marcos’s martial-law regime, has stepped aside and tossed the job of making a decision to Vice President Jejomar Binay, who, in turn, has formed a committee to study the matter.


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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2011, 03:19:41 AM »
MARCOS? :-[ NO-ONG ALAW NI LIZAL PA YAN! :P Adto na ilubong sa kangkongan :P

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2011, 01:18:58 PM »
 
     
This is the irony in the life of Marcos because the perceived wrongdoings and allegation of corruption attributed to him and his family have been designed to erase his name in the pages of Philippine history. This un-Filipino way of treating Marcos stemmed not from the culture of our people but I believe this is a culture of the illustrado. As my older folks narrated to us; this alien culture came from Europe and introduced by the Spaniards to a few Filipinos especially people who came from peninsular Spain and the Filipino mestizos. It was also brought to the province of Bohol. This culture was a kind of apartheid and most of the Tagbilaranons abhorred it. They coined this cultural division as; "taga ubos ug taga ibabaw". The "taga ubos" were only a few and because of inter-marriages between the "taga ubos and taga ibabaw" we fused together to become one people.

But not so long ago I witnessed with my own eyes twice the cultural division displayed by the people during Edsa I and Edsa II. This is the scenario as narrated by my uncles and my lola as it happened in a small town as Tagbilaran.

The Philippines Free Press again as it was before Martial Law is a staunch Marcos critic. Today the PFF don't have a living Marcos to be lambasted by their columnists. What they have is only a corpse but still the hatred won't stop. The PFF wants Marcos body to be buried in the Libingan with only the word "soldier" to be written in his tombstone... sort of hiding his grave away from the people. Just like Jose Rizal our national hero was buried in an unmarked grave... the Spanish authority wanted his grave unknown to the people. They put his initial in reversed as; "RPJ". I can see the coincidence if the PFF idea is to be followed.

I'm quite amused by the acceptance of the PFF that; "Marcos fought for the country’s freedom"... but it continues to say that Marcos "contrived to suppress [that] our freedom"; which is wrong! Marcos did not create the situation to suppress our freedom. The situation was created by the NPA when they bombed the Liberal Party rally at Plaza Miranda. Marcos is a patriot and he did not want our country to be devoured by Communism which is an alien ideology to the Filipinos. He knows of a threat by the NPA, so he took a preemptive action ahead of the NPA by declaring Martial Law.

The PFF caption says:

Was Marcos a Hero?

Answering itself... it says; No. But he was a soldier.

Explanation:

The short dialogue cum news caption is stressing a propaganda line to denigrate the memory of Marcos, his life as a soldier and as an honorable person. Of course a soldier and a hero are not the same but actually the PFF caption is hiding something.
 
It did not ask the question; "Marcos a medal of valor awardee; is he worthy to be called a hero?"

Now the complete idea of the PFF is written below. 

The PFF wrote:

"Nearly 200 congressmen have signed the resolution. Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr., son of the dictator, has been pressing since February for the burial among dead soldiers of his father, who, he says, was a war hero."

Reply:

Saying that his father is a hero... I think this is another invention of the PFF. Of course if Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has the evidence that his father is a hero... I think there's no need to blow his own trumpet... but let the record shows it!

The PFF continues:

This was disputed during the campaign for the 1986 snap election. The dispute had to do with whether Marcos deserved all of the 27 war medals that he claimed he had earned. There were questions about the authenticity of those medals, but Marcos insisted they were authentic. The opposition couldn’t care less—the only thing that was in dispute was whether he deserved them all."

Reply:

The saying goes this way; "a fish is caught by its own mouth." In the same manner as the PFF saying that; "This was disputed [medals of Marcos] during the campaign for the 1986 snap election"... is like the PFF is caught by its own words. The dispute is clear that the Marcos political enemies are only taking the "medals" as the issue to denigrate him. It is my belief that Marcos deserves all the 27 war medals awarded to him.

According to Brig. Gen. Restituto Aguilar, historical consultant of the AFP Museum said; “Those who contest the authenticity of his medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”. 

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »
bisan pag ilobong sa libingan na mga bayani,,kay di jod siya bayani,,

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2011, 08:39:30 PM »

MARCOS? :-[ NO-ONG ALAW NI LIZAL PA YAN! :P Adto na ilubong sa kangkongan :P

Ayaw bay, mokaon ra ba kong tangkong...

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« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2011, 08:42:30 PM »

to hubag bohol, tua na watch ot list imong IP Doy! ;D

Patay, wa na jud diay koy tsansa nga makaentra sa LNMB kon maohon... :P

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2011, 08:45:57 PM »

bisan pag ilobong sa libingan na mga bayani,,kay di jod siya bayani,,

Unsa man diay siya, Bay Chris? ???

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Re: Late President Marcos To Be Buried in Libingan Ng Mga Bayani?
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2011, 09:03:00 PM »
Bai HB, MALCOS iya apelido :D dili siya pareha nila Fernando Bayani, Tetchie agBayani ;D

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