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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2008, 05:40:14 PM »
Huy matulog na ko ug una ninjo ha? kay hapit naman diay alas 5 sa buntag.

bag-o pa man gud mi naka uli, nag laag2x mi ni banana sa pikas baryo, nangita ug baylehan! hahahhahah

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see you tomorrow mga night time na sad kay mo adto na sad mi sa pikas purok ugma kay mangita lagi ug bayle, tawon mag bitbit na sad ko sa akong kaban ni nga puno sa sinina nga bag-ong gi almirolan!!!

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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2008, 05:45:08 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2008, 03:33:10 PM »
 Sano calle, common sense prevails in everything we do. if its really turned to blood and bread,
 then its  a miracle. Its like the first miracle of Jesus turning water to wine. Miracles never happen
 during this days. Its blessings that comes to us  in may ways.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 09:12:04 AM »
BTW, i never insisted what i believed...to each his own kay wa may maka luwas nato, kita raman...

Anyhow gahapon ning anhi na sad akong mga pampararam nga mga religious people from a certain church (di ko mo mention) kay nag hatag ug reading materials which i sometimes care to read kay educational man sad... anyhow, i told them nga sorry wa pa jud nako nabasa ang injung gibilin recently kay daghan kaajo kong naka linya nga basahonon and i have to read the, first then ang ilaha na nga material...Sus ning ingon man nang Merkana nga i think you should read the material first kay it is all about Jesus and it is Christmas time...so what i say to her, "So what if its christmas? Do you guys really believed that Jesus was born in December?" wa jud na sila naka tingug.

I wish di na sila mobalik kay to be honest, they sometimes annoyed me, kay i dont want anyone convince me of what they are believing kay i myself have my own brain and intellect and i know how to decide of things that makes me feel good.

as much as i wanted to convert mdb to catholicism, never mind. yahoo!!!

btw (read: bitaw) im not gifted in words nor personality to pastor God's most beautiful creation.

and i don't want to liken myself to paul kay di hamak nga mas gwapo ko nia!!! lol


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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2008, 09:30:38 AM »
Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. 

During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration.  The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” 

ach Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week.  At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2008, 01:05:48 AM »


the origin maybe "bad" (still it's a relative description of an ancient culture), but i believe the intention of adopting its value is good...

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2008, 02:10:06 AM »
but still, we are having to have our christmas party tonight...lol.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2008, 03:41:26 AM »
mao man, di konohay motoo og pasko. unya ra ba og di tagaan og Christmas bonus kay masuko....

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2008, 12:27:16 PM »
I learned that Christmas has a bad origin but to the Pilipinos , it is  the most
 awaited season. It is a time for merrymaking, parties,gift giving, mano po
ninong o ninang, and fellowship with the families.

The essence of the celebration of Christmas is love although Christ was not
born on Christmas Day.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2008, 08:33:32 PM »
I learned that Christmas has a bad origin but to the Pilipinos , it is  the most
 awaited season. It is a time for merrymaking, parties,gift giving, mano po
ninong o ninang, and fellowship with the families.

The essence of the celebration of Christmas is love although Christ was not
born on Christmas Day.

korek! love has been there, even before the existence of the universe.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2008, 09:00:45 PM »
Christmas (IPA: /krɪsməs/), also referred to as Christmas Day or Christmastide, is an annual holiday celebrated on December 25 that marks and honors the birth of Jesus of Nazareth.[2][3] The birth of Jesus, which is the basis for the anno Domini system of dating, is thought to have occurred between 7 and 2 BC.[4] December 25 is not thought to be Jesus' actual date of birth, and the date may have been chosen to correspond with either a Roman festival,[5] or with the winter solstice.[6]

Modern customs of the holiday include gift-giving, church celebrations, and the display of various decorations—including the Christmas tree, lights, mistletoe, nativity scenes and holly. Santa Claus (also referred to as Father Christmas, although the two figures have different origins) is a popular mythological figure often associated with bringing gifts at Christmas. Santa is generally believed to be the result of a syncretization between St. Nicholas of Myra and elements from pagan Nordic and Christian mythology, and his modern appearance is believed to have originated in 19th century media.

Christmas is celebrated throughout the Christian population, but is also celebrated by many non-Christians as a secular, cultural festival. The holiday is celebrated around the world. Because gift-giving and several other aspects of the holiday involve heightened economic activity among both Christians and non-Christians, Christmas has become a major event for many retailers....


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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2008, 09:06:24 PM »
Christmas is typically the largest annual economic stimulus for many nations. Sales increase dramatically in almost all retail areas and shops introduce new products as people purchase gifts, decorations, and supplies. In the U.S., the "Christmas shopping season" generally begins on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, though many American stores begin selling Christmas items as early as October.[47] In Canada, merchants begin advertising campaigns just before Halloween (October 31), and step up their marketing following Remembrance Day on November 11.

In most areas, Christmas Day is the least active day of the year for business and commerce; almost all retail, commercial and institutional businesses are closed, and almost all industries cease activity (more than any other day of the year). In England and Wales, the Christmas Day (Trading) Act 2004 prevents all large shops from trading on Christmas Day. Scotland is currently planning similar legislation. Film studios release many high-budget movies in the holiday season, including Christmas films, fantasy movies or high-tone dramas with high production values.

An economists analysis calculates that Christmas is a deadweight loss under orthodox microeconomic theory, due to the surge in gift-giving. This loss is calculated as the difference between what the gift giver spent on the item and what the gift receiver would have paid for the item. It is estimated that in 2001 Christmas resulted in a $4 billion deadweight loss in the U.S. alone.[48][49] Because of complicating factors, this analysis is sometimes used to discuss possible flaws in current microeconomic theory. Other deadweight losses include the effects of Christmas on the environment and the fact that material gifts are often perceived as white elephants, imposing cost for upkeep and storage and contributing to clutter.

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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2008, 09:09:26 PM »
The Nativity of Jesus refers to the Christian belief that the Messiah was born to the Virgin Mary. The story of Christmas is based on the biblical accounts given in the Gospel of Matthew, namely Matthew 1:18-Matthew 2:12 and the Gospel of Luke, specifically Luke 1:26-Luke 2:40. According to these accounts, Jesus was born to Mary, assisted by her husband Joseph, in the city of Bethlehem. According to popular tradition, the birth took place in a stable, surrounded by farm animals, though neither the stable nor the animals are mentioned in the Biblical accounts. However, a manger is mentioned in Luke 2:7 where it states "She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn." Early iconographic representations of the nativity placed the stable and manger within a cave (located, according to tradition, under the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem). Shepherds from the fields surrounding Bethlehem were told of the birth by an angel, and were the first to see the child.[34] Many Christians believe that the birth of Jesus fulfilled prophecies from the Old Testament. Many modern scholars view the two Gospel accounts as theological fictions.[35]

Remembering is a central way that Christians celebrate Christmas. There is a very long tradition of the Nativity of Jesus in art. The Eastern Orthodox Church practices the Nativity Fast in anticipation of the birth of Jesus, while much of the Western Church celebrates Advent. In some Christian denominations, children perform plays re-telling the events of the Nativity, or sing carols that reference the event. Some Christians also display a small re-creation of the Nativity, known as a Nativity scene, in their homes, using figurines to portray the key characters of the event. Live Nativity scenes and tableaux vivants are also performed, using actors and live animals to portray the event with more realism.[36]

Nativity scenes traditionally include the Three Wise Men, Balthazar, Melchior, and Caspar, although their names and number are not referred to in the Biblical narrative, who are said to have followed a star, known as the Star of Bethlehem, found Jesus, and presented gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.[37] The including of the Magi in the nativity would be in conflict with the Biblical account, as it indicates that they found Jesus approximately two years after his birth, rather than on the exact day (Matt. 2:7–8, 16).

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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2008, 09:10:48 PM »
unsaon man pag-binisaya(binol-anon) aning DEADWEIGHT LOSS ha?

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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2008, 09:17:33 PM »
hehehehe...makabuslot ug bulsa as in....gift giving gud ni nga time, pro ok lang basta happy ang gitagaan...its better to give than to receive di ba?

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« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2008, 01:42:37 AM »
realistic lang gu pod. kung naay ikahatag maayo ug wa, sensya.
ako, cards ra tawn. nya manawag akong mga amigo ug amiga ug mo-greet.
mag-ampo na lang pod ko nila nga malipayon sila karong pasko ug sunod tuig.

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« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2008, 03:26:58 AM »
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2008, 05:57:43 AM »





mao ni akong gisuot nag picture nila, ning kubol pa man gani akong mga tudlo...

mao nga di na nato ni lalison...

mag warak nalang ta karong VIRTUAL TAGAY DAY ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2008, 12:23:18 PM »
"All that is needed for evil to succeed is, that decent human beings doing nothing". (Edmund Burke)

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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2008, 12:25:09 PM »





mao ni akong gisuot nag picture nila, ning kubol pa man gani akong mga tudlo...

mao nga di na nato ni lalison...

mag warak nalang ta karong VIRTUAL TAGAY DAY ;D ;D ;D

kalami baya iwara-wara dihas snow ay, nya mag-bit-bit og Tanduay....

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« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2008, 10:59:59 AM »
how  beautiful is Christmas there in the snow! " I'm dreaming of a white Christmas,
the song goes"..........

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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2008, 12:31:44 PM »
well, with all these stories its still a product of man's inteligence. but Christmas, Sta. Claus, reindeer are all God's mysterious ways to me!

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« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2008, 12:41:56 PM »
humans always have been dealing with supernatural since the beginning of humankind. one of those ways of dealing it is the use of symbolism.   
with all the symbolisms we use during Christmas season, what we have believed in Christmas is the most important: Love taking the face of humanity. This Love is God, who saves us ALL.

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« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2008, 01:10:59 PM »
Adoration of the Nativity and Virginal Birth.

The day of days. The Birth of the WORD MADE FLESH.
 

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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2009, 09:50:59 AM »
Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation or "the real presence" was simple and direct. The idea contradicts common sense, he said. The doctrine claims that the bread and wine used in the communion ceremony is changed in substance so that what is bread and wine to all the senses is in fact the body and blood of Christ. If it looks like bread, smells like bread, tastes like bread, then it is bread. To believe otherwise is to give up the basis for all knowledge based on sense experience. Anything could be other than it appears to the senses. This argument has nothing to do with the skeptical argument about the uncertainty of sense knowledge. This is an argument not about certainty but about reasonable belief. If the Catholics are right about transubstantiation, then a book might really be a bishop, for example, or a pear might actually be Westminster Cathedral. The accidents of a thing would be no clue as to its substance. Everything we perceive could be completely unrelated to what it appears to be. Such a world would be unreasonable and unworthy of God. If the senses can't be trusted in this one case, they can't be trusted in any. To believe in transubstantiation is to abandon the basis of all knowledge: sense experience.

If it becomes real blood that contains live cells then the priest becomes a cannibal when he drinks during the mass. The bread and wine  symbolizes the body  and blood of Christ and not as real and genuine.


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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2009, 09:53:17 AM »
Again,

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.



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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2009, 10:39:22 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2009, 02:39:44 AM »
please bare in mind that the bible is not a  a factual history book, its a figurative-literary description of the life of the Hebrews and of the life of Christ and His descendants.

time measurements were different during these times..



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« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2009, 03:33:06 AM »
Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

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« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2009, 04:50:51 AM »
the main proposition is the bad origin of christmas  which in nature a factual question.  and i just find it funny why the debate is biblical.  the last thing i would involved myself into is a religiuos debate.  which reminds me of the comical religious debate in the rizal park during sundays..

the main topic being posted is not even talking about christmas as the birth of christ.  shouldnt we wonder why the chinese, the thais and the non-christian world not to include the muslims celebrate christmas.  it has become more or less a civil celebration.

and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.


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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2009, 04:56:40 AM »
pak pak jud ko nimo Ayessa!

pak! pak! pak!

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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2009, 05:37:09 AM »
maayo ning TB kay naay certified cheerleader...QUEEN DA BINS...heheheh. pak pak pak

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« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2009, 07:21:39 AM »
the main proposition is the bad origin of christmas  which in nature a factual question.  and i just find it funny why the debate is biblical.  the last thing i would involved myself into is a religiuos debate.  which reminds me of the comical religious debate in the rizal park during sundays..

the main topic being posted is not even talking about christmas as the birth of christ.  shouldnt we wonder why the chinese, the thais and the non-christian world not to include the muslims celebrate christmas.  it has become more or less a civil celebration.

and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.


In my opinion, there is nothing wrong in engaging in religious conversation--as it delves into the biblical knowledge and answers the questions we have. Is it destructive? I think not, rather, it is positive and constructive, so long as one maintains a thick skin and understand that people coming from different religious groups have different interpretations of said subject matter. In consequence, the conversation I had with fdaray was on basis with said subject matter, however, a side conversation of the main theme.

For us Christians, we need to remember the true meaning of Christmas not merely as a cultural and social aspect. That beneath the presents, songs, decorations, the physical or ornamental aesthetics of it all--the reason for celebration is the remembrance and of the birth of Christ. Hence the term: CHRIST MASS. As it was day of celebration, in liturgical celebration.

To answer your rhetorical question, if the non christians per se chinese, thais, even muslims wish to celebrate Christmas, it is up to them. However, the reverberant truth is the true reason for the Christmas Season. And that, my friend, is the birth of Christ.



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« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2009, 07:25:56 AM »




and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.


On the contrary,

time and space is within a spectrum and in equivalency. Time, began, in bases of astronomy and physics when the Big Bang occurred.

Time isn't fictional nor is it an arbitrary concept.

Man can die, yet time continues. Until the collapse of the universe itself.

If you want to delve into a conversation with me on that, by all means.

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« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2009, 08:18:34 AM »
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« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2009, 08:21:50 AM »


On the discussion of time and the subject-title of this board:

The TIME to be happy is now
The place to be happy is here
And the way to the happy is
To make others happy
MERRY CHRISTMAS and
a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!   ;D





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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2009, 08:23:45 AM »
yes! Christ is the issue when we talk about christmas not the date.
time begun when GOD restored the earth, in verse one of the book of genesis GOD created the heavens and the earth in verse two the earth became void and without form, in verse 3 GOD restored the earth then created man

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« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2009, 12:09:01 PM »

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« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2009, 12:25:43 PM »
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« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2009, 08:29:49 PM »
On the contrary,

time and space is within a spectrum and in equivalency. Time, began, in bases of astronomy and physics when the Big Bang occurred.

Time isn't fictional nor is it an arbitrary concept.

Man can die, yet time continues. Until the collapse of the universe itself.

If you want to delve into a conversation with me on that, by all means.

:)
On the contrary,

time and space is within a spectrum and in equivalency. Time, began, in bases of astronomy and physics when the Big Bang occurred.

Time isn't fictional nor is it an arbitrary concept.

Man can die, yet time continues. Until the collapse of the universe itself.

If you want to delve into a conversation with me on that, by all means.

Im sorry, its a proven fact that the definition of time only became universal after the death of Christ which is Anno Domini...  and please, no one recorded time during the big bang.. the scientists in Switzerland failed on their research.  This was in 2008 if you remember. and their experiment was not to measure how old the earth is, it was to discover how the earth was formed and how life began.

Astronomy? the revolution of the earth around the sun? who said that there is 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? Human beings, we created time.
how do you define fiction? something that is created, not discovered and hence time is not exact and it not a science.
Im not arguing on equivalency.  Time is created by man, not by nature. period. The carbon measurements used by anthropologist to measure how old an artifact is , is not accurate, and is only basing on approximation.   and theses measurements again are made by man, not by God.

My main argument is that the discussion about time and its accuracy is useless since at first we have different time measurements compared to the time measurements during that time.

Whether or not we celebrate Christmas on May because maybe Christ was born in May, the main point is that, Christmas does not even have a Christian origin as the main proposition states.

Im a Christian and I dont push my religion on other people.  I am at least happy that the spirit of Christmas unites the rest of the world Christian or not in a common celebration of love and giving.



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