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Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. 

During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration.  The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” 

ach Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week.  At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 12:35:22 PM »
Born on Dec. 25 ?

Honest scholars admit that the customs of Christmas and a Dec. 25 celebration long predate the birth of Christ. Nevertheless, wasn't Jesus born on Dec. 25 ? Let's look at some of the scriptural evidence.

Luke's Gospel, describing Christ's birth, tells us: "So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:6-8, emphasis added throughout).

We see that when Jesus was born shepherds were spending the night with their flocks in open fields. In that region, from December to February, though the heat of the day might feel comfortable enough when the human body is covered, the cold of the night was piercing. Thus the shepherds never kept their flocks and herds out in the open country from December through February-it was simply too cold (Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, 1959, p. 2). This in itself tells us that Jesus could not have been born anywhere near Dec. 25.

The Roman census system is another historical proof that Jesus wasn't born in December. Luke 2:1 tells us that "it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered." However, this would not have happened in winter because "the middle of winter was not fitting for such a business, especially for women with child, and children to travel in. Therefore, Christ could not be born in the depth of winter ... And if any shall think the winter wind was not so extreme in these parts, let him remember the words of Christ in the gospel, `pray that your flight be not in the winter'" (Hislop, p. 92).

The Romans were efficient administrators. They would never consciously choose a time to register every man, woman and child when travel would have been so difficult because of cold and inclement weather. Here, too, is biblical proof that Jesus was not born in December's cold weather.

A far more likely scenario is that Jesus was born in the autumn, around the time of the biblical Feast of Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34-36), when Joseph and Mary would have traveled to Jerusalem to keep the Feast along with thousands of other Jewish families. This also helps us understand why in the town Bethlehem, a few miles to the south of Jerusalem, "there was no room for them in the inn" (Luke 2:7)-the town would have been crowded with other travelers keeping the Feast at this time of year. (For additional biblical evidence that Jesus was likely born at this time and not on or near Dec. 25, request our free booklet Holidays or Holy Days: Does It Really Matter Which Days We Keep?)
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 12:57:02 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 01:13:13 PM »
vatican must do something about this.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 02:05:03 PM »
With the above revelation it is not surprising to know that in the near future xmas celebration will be move to another dates, unsa kahay reaksyon sa simbahang catoliko.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 03:01:06 PM »
i personally don't believe this... sorry ma sano ug sana...
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 04:56:12 PM »
i guess people believe on what they want to believe even if it is wrong.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 05:13:16 PM »

Calle, you can search in Google for the term "origin of Christmas" and you'll get the same results from Wikipedia to many other historical websites.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 07:00:57 PM »
There is nothing wrong in celebrating Christmas in its holy sense. What went wrong is that it is highly commercialzed and we are  becoming a hedonistic society.

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 07:55:57 PM »
I believe that December 25th is not the birth of Jesus infact i have so many evidence, references that proves this.

Many christians following this tradition even they do not know what is truth..
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 08:47:52 PM »
The Ancient and Pagan Origin of Christmas
 
Most of the traditions we practice on December 25th have nothing to do with the birth
of Jesus, which probably actually occurred in late summer or early fall. In fact, most
of the customs and traditions of Christmas actually pre-date the birth of Jesus.  Here
are a few examples: 
 
The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient birthday of the son-
god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman
Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god,
Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called
Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions
and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a
celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter
solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia, and began the week
prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing
and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen
boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples. 
 
But after the conversion of emperor Constantine in 313 A.D. to Christianity, this new
religion was spread throughout the empire and Mithraism, as St. Jerome reports, was
forcefully subdued, especially in Rome and in Alexandria. In 376 A.D. Pope Leo
destroyed the temple of Mithra. Despite that, the Mithraic festival of the birth of the
Sun continued, as it was fun to be merry in the middle of the winter. It was not till the
year 530 AD that the church commissioned the Monk Dionysius Exiguus to proclaim
this popular time of the year as the birth of Christ. Constantine converted to
Christianity, but he kept celebrating this pagan festival, and transformed it into the
Christian holiday of Christmas. 
 
Many of the symbols associated with the modern holiday of Christmas such as the
burning of the Yule log, the eating of ham, the hanging of boughs, holly, mistletoe, etc.
are apparently derived from traditional northern European Yule celebrations. When
the first missionaries began converting the Germanic peoples to Christianity, they
found it easier to simply provide a Christian reinterpretation for popular feasts such
as Yule and allow the celebrations themselves to go on largely unchanged, rather than
trying to suppress them. 
 
The use of evergreen trees during Christmas comes from Germany, where it was used
in the Yule Time worship and celebration, as well as in observance of the resurrected
sun god, and of the Winter Solstice. The evergreen represented life, and also was
regarded as a phallic symbol in fertility worship.

It was believed that the red berries of the holly was a symbol of the menstrual blood of
the queen of heaven, Diana. The white berries of mistletoe were considered to be the
droplets of the semen of the sun god. Branches of holly and mistletoe were hung in
doorways of temples and homes, and it was believed that kissing beneath them will
make the spirits of the god and goddess to enter one’s body and make them fertile.   
 
The Scandinavian tradition of slaughtering a pig at Christmas, and not in the autumn,
is evidence of this conversion. The tradition derives from the sacrifice to the god Freyr at the Yule celebrations. Halloween and Easter are theorized to have been likewise
assimilated from northern European pagan festivals.
 
English historian Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum ("Ecclesiastic History
of the English People") contains a letter from Pope Gregory I to Saint Mellitus, who was
then on his way to England to conduct missionary work among the heathen Anglo-
Saxons. The Pope suggests that converting heathens is easier if they are allowed to
retain the outward forms of their traditional pagan practices and traditions, while
recasting those traditions spiritually towards the one true God, instead of to their
pagan gods (whom the Pope refers to as "devils"), "to the end that, whilst some
gratifications are outwardly permitted them, they may the more easily consent to the
inward consolations of the grace of God". The Pope sanctions such conversion tactics
as Biblically acceptable, pointing out that God did much the same thing with the
ancient Israelites and their pagan sacrifices.
 
Although the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ was superimposed upon
ancient Pagan traditions, it does not, or should not, diminish the arrival of the "Prince
of Peace", and his original message of tolerance, compassion, giving and peace. Who
ever you worship, it is a time of joy, of giving, compassion, of praying for peace and of
gift giving and celebration!

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 11:20:32 PM »
I really didnt believe that Jesus was born in December... look at the pictures guys! Look at what they are wearing? and the sorroundings?

Do you think they could survived the cold with just linen and even the baby without thermal wear? Honestly not only that there are many proofs...

But you know what? who knows if Jesus was born in Somalia!

For me December is just for fun, thats all.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 08:08:57 AM »
We, in the Missionary Baptist churches don't have any church services relating
to Christmas celebration. We have christmas parties , gift giving and etc. because
it is part of our culture  and traditions and it is  one of the most celebrated
Filipino festival.

We believed that Christ was born but not on Christmas Day.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 08:20:54 AM »
   
Out of the thousands of subscribers of this blog, 6 of you were wondering why I don’t celebrate Christmas. Maybe you read my comments posted on this blog.

I know that you knew that Christmas is not a political celebration but a religious one. So, those who are Catholics and Protestants celebrate it. But Muslims and members of other religion, on the other hand, do not celebrate Christmas.

But you might be wondering why a Christian like me do not celebrate Christmas when in fact Christmas is the celebration of the birthday of Christ.

To let you know, I don’t want to talk about religion. I was blogging on this before but the result is not good or advantageous. But since you asked this to me, so I am forced to answer: why I don’t celebrate Christmas?

Christmas is just the invention of the Roman Catholic Church

When I was still a Catholic, December 16 to December 25 were few of my busiest days of the year. To let you know, I grew up serving the San Agustin Parish (Diocese of Surigao del Sur) as Sacristan. When I was 9 years old I became an Altar Boy (that was when Rev. Valentine Kind was our Parish Priest), and was promoted to Sacristan Mayor at the age of 14 (Rev. Peter O’niell was our Parish Priest at that time).

I found the celebration good and enjoyable. But I realized that the celebration is the teaching neither of Christ nor the Apostle but just an invention of the Roman Catholic Church. If you’ll dig up the Bible, you will never find any teaching that tells everyone to celebrate the birthday of Christ. What was taught by Christ is the commemoration of His death (not His birthday).

December 25 is not Christ’s Birthday

If you are reading the Bible, did you read any verses that tell us the birthday of Christ?

I was reading the Bible since my elementary school years but I found nothing. What I found are clues when Christ born like:

That was when Christ parents went to Bethlehem to register themselves as told by a decree of Caesar Augustus.
During the birth of Christ, shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks by night.
Now, dig up your encyclopedias and history books about these if these are the signs of winter season.

December 25, Originally Pagan Feast

Let’s consider this wikipedia entry:

A winter festival was traditionally the most popular festival of the year in many cultures. Reasons included less agricultural work needing to be done during the winter, as well as people expecting longer days and shorter nights after the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere.[8] In part, the Christmas celebration was created by the early Church in order to entice pagan Romans to convert to Christianity without losing their own winter celebrations.[9][8] Certain prominent gods and goddesses of other religions in the region had their birthdays celebrated on December 25, including Ishtar, Sol Invictus and Mithras. Various traditions are considered to have been syncretised from winter festivals including the following: ….

… Alleged representation of Christ in the form of the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Third century mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter’s Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii.
Alleged representation of Christ in the form of the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Third century mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter’s Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii.

The Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, “the birthday of the unconquered sun.” The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270–274); and Mithras, a soldiers’ god of Persian origin.[13] Emperor Elagabalus (218–222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[14]

December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.[10] It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be “unconquered” despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a “strong claim on the responsibility” for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.[1] Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus[15] “O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born”, Cyprian wrote.[1]

Another record states that Christmas is just an invention of an heretic:

“An Armenian writer of the eleventh century states that the Christmas festival, invented in Rome by a heretic, Artemon, was first celebrated in Constantinople in 373.” (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, vol. 3, p. 47)

Celebrated with pagan rituals

It was recorded in The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge that says:

“The pagan festival with its riot and merry-making was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner. Christian preachers of the West and the Nearer East protested against the unseemly frivolity with which Christ’s birthday was celebrated, while Christians of Mesopotamia accused their worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival. Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last s firmly established that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 08:37:44 AM »
Welcome to the club, fdaray!  ;)

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 08:55:33 AM »
hhmmmm i'll do my research.. till then..

fdaray: asa nga town ang san agustin parish? sa san agustin? kay pirmi man ko surigao del sur when i was younger..

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2008, 09:02:12 AM »
Mobalik na sab ta sa unang patotoo before ng Holy Roman Empire about Ptoleme's geocentric theory when they later on scraped off from the scriptures as a big flaw when Galileo Galilee and Johanes Kepler insisted the heleocentric theory of Nicholas Copernicus. When the Copernican theory was finally adapted by the Holy Roman Empire the Julian Calendar was also replaced by the Gregorian Calendar which is of use today. The other notable change which merits vital consideration is the geographical and climatic change over thousands of years.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2008, 10:30:23 AM »

Correct ka Belskie, musta na oi nasakpan baya ko ninyo ni Haze sa fs. he he.

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2008, 11:45:00 AM »
Calle, TY for threading this topic. This topic speaks the truth of the Bible.
If Catholics celebrate Christmas  its all right. They had a doctrine for that
declared the Pope but it  is not Biblical.
 
I do not know of San Agustin parish in our provice of Davao del Sur.

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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2008, 12:00:36 PM »
fdaray: the catholic doctrine must have been based on something. mao na ako pangitaon sir. im tolerant naman when it comes to religion. i don't like debates on religion though. pero diri sa tb murag ok ra, kinda cool lang kasi.

di ba nakapuyo ka sa Surigao del Sur? kay ingun man ka nagsakristan ka didto? asa sa sds?



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