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« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2009, 04:30:41 AM »
who told you that A.D. and B.C. is not used anymore when the Humbolt Universität zu Berlin School of Social Sciences still used it?  please dont say it when you are not sure.

so please

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« Reply #101 on: January 06, 2009, 04:32:35 AM »
funny really...
the concept of time existed before the ancient civilization? so who conceptualized it?  hahahah God? and God told us that today is monday... or you settle to the definition of Genesis?


i enjoy this... hahaha

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« Reply #102 on: January 06, 2009, 04:33:36 AM »

It may be so, you're arguing on the concept of time and the definitions of webster. You're viewing it in aesthetic and linguistic point of view. Thematics.

I'm arguing on basis of scientific origin.

Secondly, I would like to refute your statement that the concept of time isn't being argued. On the contrary, its a hotly debated topic in Physics and Astronomy as well as Cosmology. You would be surprised to the level of discussion of said topic.


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« Reply #103 on: January 06, 2009, 04:34:43 AM »

We in the scientific community do not use AD or BC any longer. The scientific community prefers to utilize a more secular CE or BCE.


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« Reply #104 on: January 06, 2009, 04:35:56 AM »

Time begins at moment of the Big Bang.

I was merely adding depth to your own argument. lol.

Agree with you, I love this discussion.

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« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2009, 04:37:42 AM »
lorenzo

stop contradicting yourself

this were my claims
1. time is created by man hence it is fictional.  We have differnt measurements of time during the ancient civilization and during the time of christ.

2. please dont base your answers on biblical foundations when the question is factual.  this is misleading.

ang topic lagi. date sa birth of christ.... and kamot an nako .... bible basihan tungod sa descriptions...


again..

differnt time measurements
different climatic conditions
different human reaction and adaptation to climate


there is no argument on the beginning of time..l of course hahaha. there is a beginning of time...
of course, the earth is aging.  but do these support any of your claim.. wala


so stop the intellectual arrogance....



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« Reply #106 on: January 06, 2009, 04:44:06 AM »

Roy,

It isn't contradiction since my argument is unchallenged. You're arguing on aesthetics and literary concepts.

You fail to understand the importance of scientific truths. Perhaps since you're far more in depth into the social sciences.

We are arguing concept of time. Man's concept of time changes according to his understanding. This can be seen in the limited understanding of man some a millenia ago or two. However, in the light of scientific understanding and the brilliance of Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, it brings understanding that time, and space begins at an point of origin. A beginning.

My friend, it is the very basis of Cosmology, as well as Astrophysics as we know it.

I would be the one to dare say challenge you on your understanding, perhaps you're thinking too much on the humanistic concepts.

Time is absolute. Aesthetics and philosophy is but something that is man-made.

Time and Space, is scientifically absolute and has a beginning. It is not fictional.


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« Reply #107 on: January 06, 2009, 04:44:45 AM »
Social science does not equate Scientific HARD science.

Cheers,

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« Reply #108 on: January 06, 2009, 04:50:06 AM »

You are focusing too much on secondary and peripheral points that do not substantiate your claim.

Your claim was time is fictional. The word fictional is 'untrue' 'made up'.

To declare that Time is fictional is to completely debase the Theory of Relativity, to debase and to reject The Big Bang.

To completely de-legitimize the Schools of Physics, Astrophysics, Cosmology.

Your rhetorical statement of time beginning in AD is unfounded. Time begins in the apex of the Cone. In equivalency with space and the entire continuum.


Your arguments make no sense.
Too much puff and no proofs.

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« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2009, 04:56:32 AM »
who was around when the big bang occured to conceptualize time? 

i dont argue on the beginning of time. as ive said. the earth ages.. thats fact.

But when i said time is fictional, on the premise to the discussion on the date of Christ..

it is.. why?

because time measurements were different.... and please, how can you base your argument on the bible on the exact date of Christ?  basing on descriptions  we are in different situations man?  different climatic conditions, different adaptation..

and to note, aesthetic is a critical judgement of the beautiful by kant has nothing to do with the discussion.. simang na sad.

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« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2009, 04:58:04 AM »
stick to the topic.. kay nagkalayo.. balik ta sa orignal reason nganung nag discuss ta ug time..

then and only then there will be a resolution...


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« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2009, 05:01:06 AM »
if you say that social science does not equate to scientific hard science then why are you basing your argument on the bible?

isnt it contradictory?

hahahahah

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« Reply #112 on: January 06, 2009, 05:03:07 AM »
what are the scientific means to consider in determining the birth of Christ?

una,  you consider carbon dating kung naa pa iyang bukog.. maybe pwede pa...

second... is only through history!!!
kay kung na prove pa na sa pure science..  naa na unta kay exact date karon!!!!

hahahah

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« Reply #113 on: January 06, 2009, 05:03:25 AM »

Refute:


Incorrect, how is it a proven fact? Does everyone in the world agree to this? To be a fact or a Law, it must be substantiated or universally accepted.

And actually, The Big Bang began is estimated to have occured some 13.73 ± 0.12 billion years. Which is in basis of the Cosmological Principle, which states the isotropicity and the homogeneity of the universe. The present proofs that substantiate this is the Hubble-type of expansions observed in the redshifts in distant galaxies.


You are arguing the concept of time in terms of the social aspect, in terms of civilization and growth. In terms of the humanistic.

The discussion of time and its accuracy is not useless consider it is in equivalency with space. It is imperative to the understanding of the age of the earth, the age of the galaxies, imperative in calculating time shifts, calculating the Hubble Concept.

So please.


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« Reply #114 on: January 06, 2009, 05:05:18 AM »

I was not basing my argument on the bible, on the contrary, I am basing my argument on the Theory of Relativity and the Cosmological Principle, LoL

I think you are misinterpreting alot here, bud.

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« Reply #115 on: January 06, 2009, 05:06:34 AM »
lets go back why weve discussed time... why? because you cant support your answer..

always contradicting...

exact date of the birth of christ...based on figurative desccriptions of the bible...

this does not hold water....


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« Reply #116 on: January 06, 2009, 05:08:33 AM »
lets make this simple lorenzo... and please answer my question for the last time...

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?

or i might be hallucinating?

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« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2009, 05:14:01 AM »
main proposition: bad origin of christmas
sub proposition: date of christmas
sub proposition 2: birth date of Christ

isnt it you who argued on biblical bases the date of christ why I commented that time is fictional... most importantly in this sense?


isnt it you who may have taken the drugs intended for your patients...  hehehe joke

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« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2009, 05:15:28 AM »
your scientific theories may be true.. since these are not yet laws.. can be disproven later on....


its your cup of tea... i have mine...

but please stick to the original topic.!!!!

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« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2009, 05:15:36 AM »

Incorrect, you complete tried to debase Time. In your own words you called it 'useless'.
So please, bud.

Secondly, you said the concept of time began in AD, I merely added light to your comment by saying that you are arguing in humanistic viewpoint considering that many other civilizations prior to classical Roman Epoch had their own concepts of time.

My argument, Roy, is that Time begins not in the start of the AD epoch, nor does it begin in the beginning of different civilizations. You are being rather provincial. My argument is that Time begins in the Conic Apex, in parallel with Space itself. That is why the Universe is in constant expansion, that is why the common elements seen in the Periodic Table of Elements are also found in different planets (per se Mars) and in our own Moon where elements such as Zinc, Lead, Cadmium, Copper, etc are also found in the their terric surface. Same as in earth. This suggests a singularity and a common similarity in the chemical composition--which IS TRUE. Which therefore suggests that there was a gaseous phase--per se Hydrogen. Which facilitated the coring of materiel into planets. Now if we maintain and uphold that--and take into consideration the Cosmological Principle and the Theory of Relativity--it substantiates the Big Bang.

If you are having difficulty in digesting this, which in my opinion--is rather BASIC..then I only have a recommendation that you read more into it.


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