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« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2008, 10:59:59 AM »
how  beautiful is Christmas there in the snow! " I'm dreaming of a white Christmas,
the song goes"..........
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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2008, 12:31:44 PM »
well, with all these stories its still a product of man's inteligence. but Christmas, Sta. Claus, reindeer are all God's mysterious ways to me!

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« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2008, 12:41:56 PM »
humans always have been dealing with supernatural since the beginning of humankind. one of those ways of dealing it is the use of symbolism.   
with all the symbolisms we use during Christmas season, what we have believed in Christmas is the most important: Love taking the face of humanity. This Love is God, who saves us ALL.
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« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2008, 01:10:59 PM »
Adoration of the Nativity and Virginal Birth.

The day of days. The Birth of the WORD MADE FLESH.
 

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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2009, 09:50:59 AM »

2 Corinthians 5:7
We live by faith, not by sight

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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2009, 09:53:17 AM »
Again,

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.


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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2009, 10:39:22 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2009, 02:39:44 AM »
please bare in mind that the bible is not a  a factual history book, its a figurative-literary description of the life of the Hebrews and of the life of Christ and His descendants.

time measurements were different during these times..


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« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2009, 03:33:06 AM »
Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

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« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2009, 04:50:51 AM »
the main proposition is the bad origin of christmas  which in nature a factual question.  and i just find it funny why the debate is biblical.  the last thing i would involved myself into is a religiuos debate.  which reminds me of the comical religious debate in the rizal park during sundays..

the main topic being posted is not even talking about christmas as the birth of christ.  shouldnt we wonder why the chinese, the thais and the non-christian world not to include the muslims celebrate christmas.  it has become more or less a civil celebration.

and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.

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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2009, 04:56:40 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2009, 05:37:09 AM »
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« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2009, 07:21:39 AM »

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong in engaging in religious conversation--as it delves into the biblical knowledge and answers the questions we have. Is it destructive? I think not, rather, it is positive and constructive, so long as one maintains a thick skin and understand that people coming from different religious groups have different interpretations of said subject matter. In consequence, the conversation I had with fdaray was on basis with said subject matter, however, a side conversation of the main theme.

For us Christians, we need to remember the true meaning of Christmas not merely as a cultural and social aspect. That beneath the presents, songs, decorations, the physical or ornamental aesthetics of it all--the reason for celebration is the remembrance and of the birth of Christ. Hence the term: CHRIST MASS. As it was day of celebration, in liturgical celebration.

To answer your rhetorical question, if the non christians per se chinese, thais, even muslims wish to celebrate Christmas, it is up to them. However, the reverberant truth is the true reason for the Christmas Season. And that, my friend, is the birth of Christ.



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« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2009, 07:25:56 AM »

On the contrary,

time and space is within a spectrum and in equivalency. Time, began, in bases of astronomy and physics when the Big Bang occurred.

Time isn't fictional nor is it an arbitrary concept.

Man can die, yet time continues. Until the collapse of the universe itself.

If you want to delve into a conversation with me on that, by all means.

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« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2009, 08:18:34 AM »


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« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2009, 08:21:50 AM »


On the discussion of time and the subject-title of this board:

The TIME to be happy is now
The place to be happy is here
And the way to the happy is
To make others happy
MERRY CHRISTMAS and
a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!   ;D



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« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2009, 08:23:45 AM »
yes! Christ is the issue when we talk about christmas not the date.
time begun when GOD restored the earth, in verse one of the book of genesis GOD created the heavens and the earth in verse two the earth became void and without form, in verse 3 GOD restored the earth then created man
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« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2009, 08:29:49 PM »
[quote author=Lorenzo link=topic=16644.msg200724#msg200724 date=1231025156]
On the contrary,

time and space is within a spectrum and in equivalency. Time, began, in bases of astronomy and physics when the Big Bang occurred.

Time isn't fictional nor is it an arbitrary concept.

Man can die, yet time continues. Until the collapse of the universe itself.

If you want to delve into a conversation with me on that, by all means.

Im sorry, its a proven fact that the definition of time only became universal after the death of Christ which is Anno Domini...  and please, no one recorded time during the big bang.. the scientists in Switzerland failed on their research.  This was in 2008 if you remember. and their experiment was not to measure how old the earth is, it was to discover how the earth was formed and how life began.

Astronomy? the revolution of the earth around the sun? who said that there is 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? Human beings, we created time.
how do you define fiction? something that is created, not discovered and hence time is not exact and it not a science.
Im not arguing on equivalency.  Time is created by man, not by nature. period. The carbon measurements used by anthropologist to measure how old an artifact is , is not accurate, and is only basing on approximation.   and theses measurements again are made by man, not by God.

My main argument is that the discussion about time and its accuracy is useless since at first we have different time measurements compared to the time measurements during that time.

Whether or not we celebrate Christmas on May because maybe Christ was born in May, the main point is that, Christmas does not even have a Christian origin as the main proposition states.

Im a Christian and I dont push my religion on other people.  I am at least happy that the spirit of Christmas unites the rest of the world Christian or not in a common celebration of love and giving.




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