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« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2009, 05:18:08 AM »
lets not forget the topic why we have talked about time so that we can trace the progress of the discussion...
 

keeping on evading....


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« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2009, 05:20:10 AM »
.................


your message was so simple to comprehend lorenzo...

that time has a beginning..and earth and galaxy ages....


but let us stick to the discussion..... lets remember why we have talked about time?

why?

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« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2009, 05:22:13 AM »

Where and when did I state that? Please, indulge me..

I actually posted an addendum to a comment MsDabinsi posted some 4-5 pages. In that post, I answered a misinterpretation. That Christmas and the date--is the core and center of the Liturgical Calendar. It begins the year, in the Annual Mass dates--and coincides with the celebration of Baptism, Easter, the Ressurection etc etc.

The post, Roy, was elucidating many in here to the logistics of the date.


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« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2009, 05:23:52 AM »

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?
yes or no

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« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2009, 05:25:16 AM »

Good!

Time has a beginning, and as it has a beginning it has an end.

The Universe, like time, will expand until it collapses upon itself.

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« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2009, 05:26:29 AM »

Ah, you conceded.

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« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2009, 05:27:00 AM »
fdaray said and i qoute

Born on Dec. 25 ?

Honest scholars admit that the customs of Christmas and a Dec. 25 celebration long predate the birth of Christ. Nevertheless, wasn't Jesus born on Dec. 25 ? Let's look at some of the scriptural evidence.

Luke's Gospel, describing Christ's birth, tells us: "So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:6-8, emphasis added throughout).

We see that when Jesus was born shepherds were spending the night with their flocks in open fields. In that region, from December to February, though the heat of the day might feel comfortable enough when the human body is covered, the cold of the night was piercing. Thus the shepherds never kept their flocks and herds out in the open country from December through February-it was simply too cold (Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, 1959, p. 2). This in itself tells us that Jesus could not have been born anywhere near Dec. 25.

The Roman census system is another historical proof that Jesus wasn't born in December. Luke 2:1 tells us that "it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered." However, this would not have happened in winter because "the middle of winter was not fitting for such a business, especially for women with child, and children to travel in. Therefore, Christ could not be born in the depth of winter ... And if any shall think the winter wind was not so extreme in these parts, let him remember the words of Christ in the gospel, `pray that your flight be not in the winter'" (Hislop, p. 92).

The Romans were efficient administrators. They would never consciously choose a time to register every man, woman and child when travel would have been so difficult because of cold and inclement weather. Here, too, is biblical proof that Jesus was not born in December's cold weather.

A far more likely scenario is that Jesus was born in the autumn, around the time of the biblical Feast of Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34-36), when Joseph and Mary would have traveled to Jerusalem to keep the Feast along with thousands of other Jewish families. This also helps us understand why in the town Bethlehem, a few miles to the south of Jerusalem, "there was no room for them in the inn" (Luke 2:7)-the town would have been crowded with other travelers keeping the Feast at this time of year. (For additional biblical evidence that Jesus was likely born at this time and not on or near Dec. 25, request our free booklet Holidays or Holy Days: Does It Really Matter Which Days We Keep?)


as an answer to this ive said

that we cannot conclude on this because we have different time measurements.. and that time is fictional..

then you reacted.. isnt? or im wrong?

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« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2009, 05:30:31 AM »
this is exactly what ive said!!!

the main proposition is the bad origin of christmas  which in nature a factual question.  and i just find it funny why the debate is biblical.  the last thing i would involved myself into is a religiuos debate.  which reminds me of the comical religious debate in the rizal park during sundays..

the main topic being posted is not even talking about christmas as the birth of christ.  shouldnt we wonder why the chinese, the thais and the non-christian world not to include the muslims celebrate christmas.  it has become more or less a civil celebration.

and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.

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« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2009, 05:31:13 AM »
this was my first statement..

please bare in mind that the bible is not a  a factual history book, its a figurative-literary description of the life of the Hebrews and of the life of Christ and His descendants.

time measurements were different during these times..

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« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2009, 05:32:14 AM »
this is what youve answered....

 Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

Regards,

so am i making this up? or what?

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« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2009, 05:32:44 AM »
please read your own previous comments as you read mine.. ok?   thanks

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« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2009, 05:34:22 AM »
didnt you mean biblical in origin, the birth of christ?  or i may just be too tired today that im hallucinating?

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« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2009, 05:34:49 AM »
im not putting words into your mouth, lorenzo..

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« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2009, 05:38:31 AM »

LOL!

I posted that in regards to the teachings of the Catholic Church in regards to the Blood of Christ and the Body of Christ. In Eucharistic tradition.

We were not even discussing time, lol

Good try, bud.

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« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
Roy,

If you want to read the entire thread, start from the beginning and not 'page skipping'

hahaha!

Made me laugh there.

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« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
I have always thought that devoted Christians like you are men enough to admit what they have said...



 back to the main proposition, you cannot base your arguments on bibical sense, since the question is factual...

arent Christians humble enough to accept this?

I am a Christian and I will accept this.. period...

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« Reply #136 on: January 06, 2009, 05:41:12 AM »
my comment was intended for fdaray and you reacted...

why should i read the entire thread when we are talking about our discussion you and me?


you need endorphine... im happy...

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« Reply #137 on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:15 AM »

Roy,

you just used a quotation that doesn't even substantiate your claim. On the contrary it refers back to the discussion I had with fdaray in regards to the Apostolic Tradition of the Catholic Church in regards to the Body of Christ and the Blood of Christ in Eucharistic Intake.

Which, in regards to the discussion--is supported biblically.



We did not even talk about time---THAT, Roy, was something you brought into the thread. :P

so please...I stand with my original argument. AND I think I've debugged your flawed argument(s).

Lorenzo,

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« Reply #138 on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:52 AM »
so then lorenzo.... i hope you will also read what you have said and what  i have said.....

isnt pride a sin?  the problem lorenzo,, is that you cannot deny what you have written here....

goodnight.... and just a piece of advice...

dont base your arguments on the bible or any figurative literature for that matter when the question is factual...


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« Reply #139 on: January 06, 2009, 05:46:04 AM »

LoL

Well considering that the central nervous system produces endorphins naturally, and produced by the pituitary glands--and are natural neurotransmitters secreted in mammals (in animals at that), I can say that I have my own supply.

Do you have enough?

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