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« Reply #120 on: July 10, 2009, 11:07:22 AM »
I think the term Pare is just a Filipinoized version of Compadre, which in this case, developed a different meaning. Since Filipino tend to have a habit of changing the meaning of a Spanish word to suite the local tongue.

EX) The word Siempre which means "Always" in Spanish, but in the Filipino language, Siempre or written in the local form of "Syempre" has taken up a new meaning of "Of Course."

And we know that this is incorrect, since the Spanish word for 'Of Course' is : Por Supuesto/ Supuesto Si.

Same thing for the Spanish greeting : Como Esta?
Filipinoized as: Kummusta Ka. 'Kummu Sta' being the localized form of 'Como Esta?'
The addition of the word 'Ka' signifying a question to another person.

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« Reply #121 on: July 10, 2009, 11:40:05 AM »
Another word that I also wanted to share is the word 'Erro' referring to Dog.
The Spanish word for dog is Perro.

I know the term 'itoy' means puppy, just wanted to know if itoy is an authentic Filipino word, or is it based on 'erro'?

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #122 on: July 10, 2009, 11:40:50 AM »

Ha ha ha. Doy, you really gladden my heart. You remind me of 2 Corinthians 11:19. Cheers!

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« Reply #123 on: July 10, 2009, 11:46:31 AM »

Of course, and so are you! We are all foolish in the eyes of God.

Better yet, since I am a fool (as you are referring to me), then I trust in this verse:

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

1 Corinthians 1:25
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.


In that case, Id rather be the foolishness of God. hehehe.

God Bless you too, Hubag!


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« Reply #124 on: July 10, 2009, 11:50:03 AM »
Again, like I said, you did exactly what I expected you would do. Pick and choose a verse to make a point (to negate a person), but as I told you in my last post, instead of pick and choosing, you should READ THE WHOLE VERSE in order to properly know the true and absolute meaning.

God knows what is our hearts. Even before you usher it. heheh.

Christ Jesus' Name!
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« Reply #125 on: July 10, 2009, 11:54:03 AM »
This refers back, actually, it parallels the entire continuum of my conversation with you. Instead of focusing on the total picture, you pick and choose. Hey, but thats okay, if that is how you work and go about your business, then by all means.

Just don't confuse the readers. You've strayed from the entire point of the posts.

Back to topic.

God Bless,
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« Reply #126 on: July 10, 2009, 08:16:30 PM »
Nganong "tuba" man ang tawag kon mag "harvest" og saging?

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« Reply #127 on: July 10, 2009, 10:29:57 PM »
According to my Universidad de Chicago Diccionario, doncella means virgin, maiden; maidservant.

I wonder if upward class mobility has turned the "maidservant" to a "lady of the court" in 20 years, when I bought this dictionary.

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« Reply #128 on: July 10, 2009, 10:38:32 PM »
Ha ha. Delayed reaction ko. Murag nahibalik na ta sa thread ani, kay mao man ni ang pinakasinugdanan nga tonada sa discussion.


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« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2009, 01:01:33 AM »
Thanks for redirecting the thread back to its original direction, Mr. Benne, hehehe.

The word Doncella literally means a virgin, maiden, honored girl.

When we study the etymology of the word itself it has the honorific prefix of 'Don' meaning and regarding honor, 'an individual of the court'. and the Suffix of 'cella' is based on the Spanish word for 'Her/ girl' which is "Ella" or in the plural form "Ellos" (in the masculine) or "Ellas" (in the feminine)

Combine the two together: Don ella = Doncella.
And honored girl, a woman or lady with honor.
Honor in those days, in the time epochs prior to modernization refers to Nobility.
A noble woman can be either: 1) a virgin, 2) a lady of the court 3) of royal blood.

That is what I'm trying to get across. The meaning has changed as the epochs modernized. What was once used to refer to a woman of nobility, to be honored, has now taken up a meaning of virgin, pretty, beautiful.


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« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2009, 03:06:06 AM »
When one refers to a Spanish word, one has to be ready to understand and accept the fact that there will be different meanings for a word, in relation to the English transliteration.

The meaning of a word in Spain, may have a totally different meaning in say in Mexico, or Argetinina etc.

Let me give you guys an example of the multifaceted nature of the Spanish language:

English Form: Popcorn
Cuba: rositas de maíz
Argentina: pochoclo
Venezuela: cotufa
Spain: palomitas, palomitas de maíz


another,

English Form: Recreational Vehicle
Bolivia: vagoneta
Chile: casa rodante
Mexico: camper
Puerto Rico: RV
Spain: caravana
Venezuela: vehículo recreacional


another,


English Form: Sidewalk
Mexico: banqueta, acera
In many countries: "acera"
Comment::::  In Spain: "banqueta" is a bench; so as you see in Mexico the word Banqueto is used to refer to 'sidewalk' whereas in MOTHER SPAIN, the wod 'Banqueta' means Bench. hehehehehe


another pa,

English Form: Eye-glasses
Colombia: gafas, lentes
Cuba, Puerto Rico: espejuelos
Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, México, Venezuela: lentes
Spain: gafas

The word "Anteojos" is an old word for eyeglasses. Old fashion type of word that no longer is used in Spain or Mexico.

Philippines uses the word "Anteojos" because the Spanish in the Philippines is based on Old Castillian. hehehehe. The language of the conquistadores (from the 17-18th centuries)



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« Reply #131 on: July 11, 2009, 03:25:13 AM »
That is why when one studies Chavacano, a Hispanized Filipino Dialect, and compares that language and some of its words to modern simplified Spanish that is used in presetn day Spain, one will see and observe differences in wordings. Different words are used. Same applies to the Creole Dialect in Mexico.

The reason for this is because the Spanish used in Spain (simplified Castillian) no longer uses old terminology as seen in Old Castillian. There no longer is great emphasis on salutation, or the use of the proverbial status differentiation. The word Senores, Senor, is generalized now in modern Spanish. In the times of the Conquistadores, during the height of Pax Hispanica, that word and title was reserved for land-owning Spanish men, namely, reputable men. Or if one was of noble class it would be common to address that individual as "Don Senor" , which is equivalent to 'Lord Sir'.

If you read Middle English or Victorian style English, it illustrates the same kind of formality. hehehe. Properness.

Like I said before in previous posts in this thread, there are some words that are of Spanish Origin that is used in the Philippines that have evolved a totally different meaning from the original. The reasons could range from 1) Definition and term just changed over the years or 2) the local people just made up a new meaning for that word when applied to the local tongue.

And from the examples I gave, the latter was the case even in Viceroyalidad de Nueva Espana (Mexico), which was a Royal Spanish Power base back 2-3 centuries. If Mexico, a bastion of Spanish architecture, language, and arts, will deveop its own meaning of a word that is totally different from that of Espana Madre, then of course, by right, one isn't surprised if the same manifestation occurs in say the Philippines, which was an overseas province of Viceroyalidad de Nueva Espana from the 16th century till the early 19th century, when Nueva Espana (Mexico) severed its umbilical cord with Spain, thereby earning independence.


Food for thought. hehehehe ;)


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« Reply #132 on: July 11, 2009, 05:08:04 AM »
Universidad de Chicago Diccionario[/i], doncella means virgin, maiden; maidservant.

I wonder if upward class mobility has turned the "maidservant" to a "lady of the court" in 20 years, when I bought this dictionary.


Alang sa usa ka makinaadmanong pagpatin-aw sa gigikanan ining pulonga, palihog susiha ang http://etimologias.dechile.net/?doncella.

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« Reply #133 on: July 11, 2009, 05:13:16 AM »
Thanks for sharing that link.

My observation was correct.

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« Reply #134 on: July 11, 2009, 05:18:38 AM »
la palabra doncella viene de latin domnicilla, que es un diminutivo de domina, 'senora, duena'. El termino dominus 'senor' viene del griego domos, palacio, templo, tienda, camara, y en general, edificasion...."


The word doncella "maid" is the dimunitive form of lady....



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« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2009, 05:25:44 AM »
The latin word domnicella is the dimunitive form of the Latin Word "Domina)=  Lady (Senora)

since, the Latin word "Dominus" is the latin equivalent for Senor (Sir, Lord)

Hence, Domnicella


Hence the term we have "ANO DOMINI" (year of our lord)
In this case the feminine form of DOMINUS = DOMINA

And the dimunitive form for DOMINA = Domnicella

Meaning, a little girl of the court, court girl, of nobility.

Everyting is based on Latin.

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« Reply #136 on: July 11, 2009, 05:26:48 AM »
Domnicella (latin form)  and Doncella (Spanish Form)


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« Reply #137 on: July 11, 2009, 05:34:30 AM »
The development of the definition of Doncella meaning 'virgin' came after the fact. Spanish, is derived directly from Latin. And the ultimate meanin of Doncella is based on Domnicella. Which if we litereally translate, means "little lordess"  or "young lady of the court"

DOMINUS = LORD
DOMINA = Feminine form of LORD
Domnicella = dimunitive form of the feminine form of Lord


The latin word for virgin is Virgo, and its literal definition is: maiden, virgin, young girl.
The spanish word for Virgin is = virgen (pronounced birhen)

Used in the descriptive : La Virgen Santa Maria, Madre de Jesu Cristo El Salvador de Todos.
(The Virgin Mary, Mother of our Savior, Jesus Christ).



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« Reply #138 on: July 12, 2009, 08:52:10 PM »
Naa tay panultihon nga "Bata ka pa sa duyan". Dili ni siya ma translate into "You are younger than a hammock." Ang buot ipasabot niini, dili ka pa angayan mobuhat og binuhatan sa mga tigulang o edaran na kay bata ka pa kaayo.

The Tagalog "Nagbubuhat ng sariling bangko" dili mahubad nga "Nag-alsa sa kaugalingong lingkoranan" kay idiom man ang nahauna.  Mahubad lang kini sa pulong "naghinambog." 

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« Reply #139 on: July 13, 2009, 09:23:54 AM »

Bay Koddi, samtang nia ta ani nga topic, kining "pagarpar", Binisaya ba jud ni? Dugay na man kong kadungog aning pulonga--mogamit man gani ko ani. Dili na pud kaha ni naay Spanish root, pagar?

Akong gi-refer sa www.binisaya.com, mao ni ang main definition didto: "an obnoxious and foolish and loquacious talker". Interestingly, ang second definiton kay "any of various insectivorous Old World birds with a loud incessant song; in some classifications considered members of the family Muscicapidae." Naa ba sa ato ning langgama?



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