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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2009, 04:30:41 AM »
who told you that A.D. and B.C. is not used anymore when the Humbolt Universität zu Berlin School of Social Sciences still used it?  please dont say it when you are not sure.

so please

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #101 on: January 06, 2009, 04:32:35 AM »
funny really...
the concept of time existed before the ancient civilization? so who conceptualized it?  hahahah God? and God told us that today is monday... or you settle to the definition of Genesis?


i enjoy this... hahaha

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« Reply #102 on: January 06, 2009, 04:33:36 AM »
we are not on the same level on the understanding of time. 

your "cut and paste "does not help much because your argument is the origin of time...  which is not our concern.  the gallaxy may grow, and the earth is aging of course.. nobody argues about that.  but this has nothing to do on what we have talked about.



It may be so, you're arguing on the concept of time and the definitions of webster. You're viewing it in aesthetic and linguistic point of view. Thematics.

I'm arguing on basis of scientific origin.

Secondly, I would like to refute your statement that the concept of time isn't being argued. On the contrary, its a hotly debated topic in Physics and Astronomy as well as Cosmology. You would be surprised to the level of discussion of said topic.



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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #103 on: January 06, 2009, 04:34:43 AM »
who told you that A.D. and B.C. is not used anymore when the Humbolt Universität zu Berlin School of Social Sciences still used it?  please dont say it when you are not sure.

so please

We in the scientific community do not use AD or BC any longer. The scientific community prefers to utilize a more secular CE or BCE.



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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #104 on: January 06, 2009, 04:35:56 AM »
funny really...
the concept of time existed before the ancient civilization? so who conceptualized it?  hahahah God? and God told us that today is monday... or you settle to the definition of Genesis?


i enjoy this... hahaha

Time begins at moment of the Big Bang.

I was merely adding depth to your own argument. lol.

Agree with you, I love this discussion.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2009, 04:37:42 AM »
lorenzo

stop contradicting yourself

this were my claims
1. time is created by man hence it is fictional.  We have differnt measurements of time during the ancient civilization and during the time of christ.

2. please dont base your answers on biblical foundations when the question is factual.  this is misleading.

ang topic lagi. date sa birth of christ.... and kamot an nako .... bible basihan tungod sa descriptions...


again..

differnt time measurements
different climatic conditions
different human reaction and adaptation to climate


there is no argument on the beginning of time..l of course hahaha. there is a beginning of time...
of course, the earth is aging.  but do these support any of your claim.. wala


so stop the intellectual arrogance....




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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #106 on: January 06, 2009, 04:44:06 AM »
lorenzo

stop contradicting yourself

this were my claims
1. time is created by man hence it is fictional.  We have differnt measurements of time during the ancient civilization and during the time of christ.

2. please dont base your answers on biblical foundations when the question is factual.  this is misleading.

ang topic lagi. date sa birth of christ.... and kamot an nako .... bible basihan tungod sa descriptions...


again..

differnt time measurements
different climatic conditions
different human reaction and adaptation to climate


there is no argument on the beginning of time..l of course hahaha. there is a beginning of time...
of course, the earth is aging.  but do these support any of your claim.. wala


so stop the intellectual arrogance....




Roy,

It isn't contradiction since my argument is unchallenged. You're arguing on aesthetics and literary concepts.

You fail to understand the importance of scientific truths. Perhaps since you're far more in depth into the social sciences.

We are arguing concept of time. Man's concept of time changes according to his understanding. This can be seen in the limited understanding of man some a millenia ago or two. However, in the light of scientific understanding and the brilliance of Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, it brings understanding that time, and space begins at an point of origin. A beginning.

My friend, it is the very basis of Cosmology, as well as Astrophysics as we know it.

I would be the one to dare say challenge you on your understanding, perhaps you're thinking too much on the humanistic concepts.

Time is absolute. Aesthetics and philosophy is but something that is man-made.

Time and Space, is scientifically absolute and has a beginning. It is not fictional.



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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #107 on: January 06, 2009, 04:44:45 AM »
Social science does not equate Scientific HARD science.

Cheers,

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« Reply #108 on: January 06, 2009, 04:50:06 AM »


differnt time measurements
different climatic conditions
different human reaction and adaptation to climate






You are focusing too much on secondary and peripheral points that do not substantiate your claim.

Your claim was time is fictional. The word fictional is 'untrue' 'made up'.

To declare that Time is fictional is to completely debase the Theory of Relativity, to debase and to reject The Big Bang.

To completely de-legitimize the Schools of Physics, Astrophysics, Cosmology.

Your rhetorical statement of time beginning in AD is unfounded. Time begins in the apex of the Cone. In equivalency with space and the entire continuum.


Your arguments make no sense.
Too much puff and no proofs.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2009, 04:56:32 AM »
who was around when the big bang occured to conceptualize time? 

i dont argue on the beginning of time. as ive said. the earth ages.. thats fact.

But when i said time is fictional, on the premise to the discussion on the date of Christ..

it is.. why?

because time measurements were different.... and please, how can you base your argument on the bible on the exact date of Christ?  basing on descriptions  we are in different situations man?  different climatic conditions, different adaptation..

and to note, aesthetic is a critical judgement of the beautiful by kant has nothing to do with the discussion.. simang na sad.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2009, 04:58:04 AM »
stick to the topic.. kay nagkalayo.. balik ta sa orignal reason nganung nag discuss ta ug time..

then and only then there will be a resolution...



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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2009, 05:01:06 AM »
if you say that social science does not equate to scientific hard science then why are you basing your argument on the bible?

isnt it contradictory?

hahahahah

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #112 on: January 06, 2009, 05:03:07 AM »
what are the scientific means to consider in determining the birth of Christ?

una,  you consider carbon dating kung naa pa iyang bukog.. maybe pwede pa...

second... is only through history!!!
kay kung na prove pa na sa pure science..  naa na unta kay exact date karon!!!!

hahahah

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #113 on: January 06, 2009, 05:03:25 AM »
Im sorry, its a proven fact that the definition of time only became universal after the death of Christ which is Anno Domini...  and please, no one recorded time during the big bang

Refute:

Incorrect, how is it a proven fact? Does everyone in the world agree to this? To be a fact or a Law, it must be substantiated or universally accepted.

And actually, The Big Bang began is estimated to have occured some 13.73 ± 0.12 billion years. Which is in basis of the Cosmological Principle, which states the isotropicity and the homogeneity of the universe. The present proofs that substantiate this is the Hubble-type of expansions observed in the redshifts in distant galaxies.

My main argument is that the discussion about time and its accuracy is useless since at first we have different time measurements compared to the time measurements during that time.

You are arguing the concept of time in terms of the social aspect, in terms of civilization and growth. In terms of the humanistic.

The discussion of time and its accuracy is not useless consider it is in equivalency with space. It is imperative to the understanding of the age of the earth, the age of the galaxies, imperative in calculating time shifts, calculating the Hubble Concept.

So please.



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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #114 on: January 06, 2009, 05:05:18 AM »
who was around when the big bang occured to conceptualize time? 

i dont argue on the beginning of time. as ive said. the earth ages.. thats fact.

But when i said time is fictional, on the premise to the discussion on the date of Christ..

it is.. why?

because time measurements were different.... and please, how can you base your argument on the bible on the exact date of Christ?  basing on descriptions  we are in different situations man?  different climatic conditions, different adaptation..

and to note, aesthetic is a critical judgement of the beautiful by kant has nothing to do with the discussion.. simang na sad.

I was not basing my argument on the bible, on the contrary, I am basing my argument on the Theory of Relativity and the Cosmological Principle, LoL

I think you are misinterpreting alot here, bud.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #115 on: January 06, 2009, 05:06:34 AM »
lets go back why weve discussed time... why? because you cant support your answer..

always contradicting...

exact date of the birth of christ...based on figurative desccriptions of the bible...

this does not hold water....



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« Reply #116 on: January 06, 2009, 05:08:33 AM »
lets make this simple lorenzo... and please answer my question for the last time...

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?

or i might be hallucinating?

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2009, 05:14:01 AM »
main proposition: bad origin of christmas
sub proposition: date of christmas
sub proposition 2: birth date of Christ

isnt it you who argued on biblical bases the date of christ why I commented that time is fictional... most importantly in this sense?


isnt it you who may have taken the drugs intended for your patients...  hehehe joke

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« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2009, 05:15:28 AM »
your scientific theories may be true.. since these are not yet laws.. can be disproven later on....


its your cup of tea... i have mine...

but please stick to the original topic.!!!!

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« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2009, 05:15:36 AM »
who was around when the big bang occured to conceptualize time? 

i dont argue on the beginning of time. as ive said. the earth ages.. thats fact.

But when i said time is fictional, on the premise to the discussion on the date of Christ..

it is.. why?

because time measurements were different.... and please, how can you base your argument on the bible on the exact date of Christ?  basing on descriptions  we are in different situations man?  different climatic conditions, different adaptation..

and to note, aesthetic is a critical judgement of the beautiful by kant has nothing to do with the discussion.. simang na sad.

Incorrect, you complete tried to debase Time. In your own words you called it 'useless'.
So please, bud.

Secondly, you said the concept of time began in AD, I merely added light to your comment by saying that you are arguing in humanistic viewpoint considering that many other civilizations prior to classical Roman Epoch had their own concepts of time.

My argument, Roy, is that Time begins not in the start of the AD epoch, nor does it begin in the beginning of different civilizations. You are being rather provincial. My argument is that Time begins in the Conic Apex, in parallel with Space itself. That is why the Universe is in constant expansion, that is why the common elements seen in the Periodic Table of Elements are also found in different planets (per se Mars) and in our own Moon where elements such as Zinc, Lead, Cadmium, Copper, etc are also found in the their terric surface. Same as in earth. This suggests a singularity and a common similarity in the chemical composition--which IS TRUE. Which therefore suggests that there was a gaseous phase--per se Hydrogen. Which facilitated the coring of materiel into planets. Now if we maintain and uphold that--and take into consideration the Cosmological Principle and the Theory of Relativity--it substantiates the Big Bang.

If you are having difficulty in digesting this, which in my opinion--is rather BASIC..then I only have a recommendation that you read more into it.


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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2009, 05:18:08 AM »
lets not forget the topic why we have talked about time so that we can trace the progress of the discussion...
 

keeping on evading....



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« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2009, 05:20:10 AM »
.................


your message was so simple to comprehend lorenzo...

that time has a beginning..and earth and galaxy ages....


but let us stick to the discussion..... lets remember why we have talked about time?

why?

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« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2009, 05:22:13 AM »
lets make this simple lorenzo... and please answer my question for the last time...

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?

or i might be hallucinating?

Where and when did I state that? Please, indulge me..

I actually posted an addendum to a comment MsDabinsi posted some 4-5 pages. In that post, I answered a misinterpretation. That Christmas and the date--is the core and center of the Liturgical Calendar. It begins the year, in the Annual Mass dates--and coincides with the celebration of Baptism, Easter, the Ressurection etc etc.

The post, Roy, was elucidating many in here to the logistics of the date.


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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2009, 05:23:52 AM »

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?
yes or no

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« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2009, 05:25:16 AM »
.................


your message was so simple to comprehend lorenzo...

that time has a beginning..and earth and galaxy ages....


but let us stick to the discussion..... lets remember why we have talked about time?

why?

Good!

Time has a beginning, and as it has a beginning it has an end.

The Universe, like time, will expand until it collapses upon itself.

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« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2009, 05:26:29 AM »
your scientific theories may be true.. since these are not yet laws.. can be disproven later on....


its your cup of tea... i have mine...



Ah, you conceded.

:)



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« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2009, 05:27:00 AM »
fdaray said and i qoute

Born on Dec. 25 ?

Honest scholars admit that the customs of Christmas and a Dec. 25 celebration long predate the birth of Christ. Nevertheless, wasn't Jesus born on Dec. 25 ? Let's look at some of the scriptural evidence.

Luke's Gospel, describing Christ's birth, tells us: "So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:6-8, emphasis added throughout).

We see that when Jesus was born shepherds were spending the night with their flocks in open fields. In that region, from December to February, though the heat of the day might feel comfortable enough when the human body is covered, the cold of the night was piercing. Thus the shepherds never kept their flocks and herds out in the open country from December through February-it was simply too cold (Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, 1959, p. 2). This in itself tells us that Jesus could not have been born anywhere near Dec. 25.

The Roman census system is another historical proof that Jesus wasn't born in December. Luke 2:1 tells us that "it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered." However, this would not have happened in winter because "the middle of winter was not fitting for such a business, especially for women with child, and children to travel in. Therefore, Christ could not be born in the depth of winter ... And if any shall think the winter wind was not so extreme in these parts, let him remember the words of Christ in the gospel, `pray that your flight be not in the winter'" (Hislop, p. 92).

The Romans were efficient administrators. They would never consciously choose a time to register every man, woman and child when travel would have been so difficult because of cold and inclement weather. Here, too, is biblical proof that Jesus was not born in December's cold weather.

A far more likely scenario is that Jesus was born in the autumn, around the time of the biblical Feast of Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34-36), when Joseph and Mary would have traveled to Jerusalem to keep the Feast along with thousands of other Jewish families. This also helps us understand why in the town Bethlehem, a few miles to the south of Jerusalem, "there was no room for them in the inn" (Luke 2:7)-the town would have been crowded with other travelers keeping the Feast at this time of year. (For additional biblical evidence that Jesus was likely born at this time and not on or near Dec. 25, request our free booklet Holidays or Holy Days: Does It Really Matter Which Days We Keep?)


as an answer to this ive said

that we cannot conclude on this because we have different time measurements.. and that time is fictional..

then you reacted.. isnt? or im wrong?

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2009, 05:30:31 AM »
this is exactly what ive said!!!

the main proposition is the bad origin of christmas  which in nature a factual question.  and i just find it funny why the debate is biblical.  the last thing i would involved myself into is a religiuos debate.  which reminds me of the comical religious debate in the rizal park during sundays..

the main topic being posted is not even talking about christmas as the birth of christ.  shouldnt we wonder why the chinese, the thais and the non-christian world not to include the muslims celebrate christmas.  it has become more or less a civil celebration.

and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2009, 05:31:13 AM »
this was my first statement..

please bare in mind that the bible is not a  a factual history book, its a figurative-literary description of the life of the Hebrews and of the life of Christ and His descendants.

time measurements were different during these times..

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« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2009, 05:32:14 AM »
this is what youve answered....

 Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

Regards,

so am i making this up? or what?

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2009, 05:32:44 AM »
please read your own previous comments as you read mine.. ok?   thanks

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« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2009, 05:34:22 AM »
didnt you mean biblical in origin, the birth of christ?  or i may just be too tired today that im hallucinating?

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« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2009, 05:34:49 AM »
im not putting words into your mouth, lorenzo..

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« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2009, 05:38:31 AM »
this is what youve answered....

 Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

Regards,

so am i making this up? or what?

LOL!

I posted that in regards to the teachings of the Catholic Church in regards to the Blood of Christ and the Body of Christ. In Eucharistic tradition.

We were not even discussing time, lol

Good try, bud.

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« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
Roy,

If you want to read the entire thread, start from the beginning and not 'page skipping'

hahaha!

Made me laugh there.

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« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
I have always thought that devoted Christians like you are men enough to admit what they have said...



 back to the main proposition, you cannot base your arguments on bibical sense, since the question is factual...

arent Christians humble enough to accept this?

I am a Christian and I will accept this.. period...

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« Reply #136 on: January 06, 2009, 05:41:12 AM »
my comment was intended for fdaray and you reacted...

why should i read the entire thread when we are talking about our discussion you and me?


you need endorphine... im happy...

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« Reply #137 on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:15 AM »
I have always thought that devoted Christians like you are men enough to admit what they have said...



 back to the main proposition, you cannot base your arguments on bibical sense, since the question is factual...

arent Christians humble enough to accept this?

I am a Christian and I will accept this.. period...

Roy,

you just used a quotation that doesn't even substantiate your claim. On the contrary it refers back to the discussion I had with fdaray in regards to the Apostolic Tradition of the Catholic Church in regards to the Body of Christ and the Blood of Christ in Eucharistic Intake.

Which, in regards to the discussion--is supported biblically.



We did not even talk about time---THAT, Roy, was something you brought into the thread. :P

so please...I stand with my original argument. AND I think I've debugged your flawed argument(s).

Lorenzo,

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« Reply #138 on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:52 AM »
so then lorenzo.... i hope you will also read what you have said and what  i have said.....

isnt pride a sin?  the problem lorenzo,, is that you cannot deny what you have written here....

goodnight.... and just a piece of advice...

dont base your arguments on the bible or any figurative literature for that matter when the question is factual...



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« Reply #139 on: January 06, 2009, 05:46:04 AM »
my comment was intended for fdaray and you reacted...

why should i read the entire thread when we are talking about our discussion you and me?


you need endorphine... im happy...

LoL

Well considering that the central nervous system produces endorphins naturally, and produced by the pituitary glands--and are natural neurotransmitters secreted in mammals (in animals at that), I can say that I have my own supply.

Do you have enough?

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« Reply #140 on: January 06, 2009, 05:49:34 AM »
so then lorenzo.... i hope you will also read what you have said and what  i have said.....

isnt pride a sin?  the problem lorenzo,, is that you cannot deny what you have written here....

goodnight.... and just a piece of advice...

dont base your arguments on the bible or any figurative literature for that matter when the question is factual...



LoL

This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the argument that you even posted.

Nothing, none of your posts or claims was even substantiated..you were arguing just for the sake of argument--even despite the fact that i answered your own definition of time as being an abstract concept--and being 'useless'.

So, I beg to reiterate your most famous saying, "Stick to the topic."



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« Reply #141 on: January 06, 2009, 05:52:33 AM »
didnt you mean biblical in origin, the birth of christ?  or i may just be too tired today that im hallucinating?

You're hallucinating.

I was referring to the Catholic Tradition of the Eucharist being Biblical in Origin.

Now, Ray, if you read the entire thread from beginning, you would have known that instead of assuming i was regarding to the Birth of Christ our Lord.


In all due respect,


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« Reply #142 on: January 06, 2009, 05:59:19 AM »
didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?
yes or no

Again, an example of a communication gap.

You, Ray, are selectively reading text.

When I wrote that comment, I was addressing fdaray in our discussion about the Eucharist and its origin being biblical.

Christ's Birth was not addressed.

Had you read my post, you would not have made a communication misinterpretation.

Dare I say that you even read any of my posts at all in refute of your argument(s)?

Don't be so provincial.


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« Reply #143 on: January 06, 2009, 06:34:27 AM »
I apologize to all the readers if we went off tangent. Back to the subject.

Humbly yours,
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« Reply #144 on: January 06, 2009, 09:10:38 AM »
nakaigit na kog binasa og asa ra  kini padong...LOL....

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« Reply #145 on: January 06, 2009, 09:24:37 AM »
lol, glace, its more interesting (hilarious) when one misinterprets a quote that wasn't even supporting an argument.

This thread is good for vasodilation and brochoconstriction. lol.

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« Reply #146 on: January 06, 2009, 10:32:37 AM »
pagkabiboha jud sa thread! lami basahon pero sige kahang ang mga computer diri! ahak!

nakaigit na kog binasa og asa ra  kini padong...LOL....

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« Reply #147 on: January 06, 2009, 10:35:14 AM »
calle, time to burst out your opinion on this thread...tambal sa tubol ug kaigit...lol..

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« Reply #148 on: January 06, 2009, 10:47:15 AM »
im having an anaphylactic shock!

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« Reply #149 on: January 06, 2009, 10:53:09 AM »
haha, just a nice lively debate. ;)

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« Reply #150 on: January 06, 2009, 11:02:30 AM »
i always have a divine feeling kung gaigiton ko... feels like "already here but not yet.." lol...

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« Reply #151 on: January 06, 2009, 11:06:28 AM »
galisud na gani kog digest sa ilang discussion bay glacier. kung muapil ko, gubot pas lukot ning threada.



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« Reply #152 on: January 06, 2009, 11:15:14 AM »
ajaw nalang lagi liboga imong utok Calz!

mag tagay nalang lagi ta...

to each his own nalang ta ani lagi...

kay for me bisan maabut pa sa Mars ug discuss aning butangan,

 di man na maka convince nako...

and i dont want to convince the readers too...

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« Reply #153 on: January 06, 2009, 11:26:25 AM »
galisud na gani kog digest sa ilang discussion bay glacier. kung muapil ko, gubot pas lukot ning threada.



aw, ayaw na lang, bay calls, kay basig kinahanglan ko ani og usang kom-kom Immodium pakalmas akong "gibati" lol...

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« Reply #154 on: January 06, 2009, 11:28:35 AM »
ajaw nalang lagi liboga imong utok Calz!

mag tagay nalang lagi ta...

to each his own nalang ta ani lagi...

kay for me bisan maabut pa sa Mars ug discuss aning butangan,

 di man na maka convince nako...

and i dont want to convince the readers too...

TAGAY  na sa sad, da bins, lain na sad ning Virtual tagay...lol

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« Reply #155 on: January 06, 2009, 11:36:47 AM »
mao lagi pagka palahubog ba ning mga baje sa TB! hahahahha

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« Reply #156 on: January 06, 2009, 12:14:22 PM »
TAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAY diha!

Hubog na ko!

mdb, laki man nas glacier!lol

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« Reply #157 on: January 06, 2009, 12:28:54 PM »
mao lagi pagka palahubog ba ning mga baje sa TB! hahahahha

nindot diay i-uban-uban ninyo sa kasanggotan kay di masayang ang tuba ug suka...hehehe

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« Reply #158 on: January 06, 2009, 12:30:31 PM »
TAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAY diha!

Hubog na ko!

mdb, laki man nas glacier!lol

puslang wa man kahay klaro og sinugdanan ning pasko, LAK LAK...BEER PA DAY...

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« Reply #159 on: January 06, 2009, 12:35:48 PM »
lamias red horse, gisingot pa ang botelya! tagay pa!

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« Reply #160 on: January 06, 2009, 12:41:45 PM »
bottoms up...way limit ni. diay daghan San Mig galutaw-lutaw sa cooler...golf! golf! golf!

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« Reply #161 on: January 06, 2009, 12:49:58 PM »
bottoms up...way limit ni. diay daghan San Mig galutaw-lutaw sa cooler...golf! golf! golf!

hubog na ka bay. bottomless oi. bottoms up ka run! lol

buttons down!!!

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« Reply #162 on: January 06, 2009, 12:56:05 PM »
hubog na ka bay. bottomless oi. bottoms up ka run! lol

buttons down!!!

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« Reply #164 on: January 06, 2009, 01:10:36 PM »
hahahahaha

buttons down na mdb!!! sumpaji!!!

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« Reply #165 on: January 06, 2009, 01:15:22 PM »
hahahahaha

buttons down na mdb!!! sumpaji!!!

hahahahhaa...gitabyog-tabyog pa tingali, calle, kay gi-"rak en rol" pa man ni mdb...hahahhahaha

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« Reply #166 on: January 06, 2009, 02:02:18 PM »
hubog na man ka jamo bay. si buwadsanga may ga rak-en-rol, tsk tsk tsk

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« Reply #168 on: January 06, 2009, 08:30:58 PM »
WOULD IT MATTER MUCH?

There probably is a searing debate i may start if i tell you Dec. 25 or April 29, it really does not matter.

You see, recently, i just felt compelled to believe that Christmas never really means so much to Christians and Catholics.

You see, with or without Christams in December, nothing really changes.

Peole just seem to equate Christmas in December as merrymaking. But is does not turn out that way to all Filipinos, even Boholanos who are far better off.

Like the season pushes us to give some more? Nope, not really.

In fact the season;s revelries cause a many woes unto people's relationships.

Hundreds of innocent people are hurt by firecrackers and explosives. Many wag their tongues in envy at how the rich lavishly pamper themselves with holiday shopping sprees.

And the poor still remain poor, Christmas be in December or July.

I think Christmas be better celebrated not in time wut in a place, not in Bethlehem but in a shrine inside each of us. Everytime.
 

I think you see what i mean?





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« Reply #169 on: January 06, 2009, 11:59:36 PM »
Bitaw oi! to all of you...mag hsgut gani ta ug religion bisan asa or bisan unsa nga sitwasypn, dont generalize nga everybody has the same religion as you kay mao man nay maka conflict sa panag hiusa.

Mao bitaw na diri sa Merika nga giseparate ang religion kay para magka hiusa. Walay ma left alone sa suok kay sila Saksi ni Jehova gamay ra nga congregation kay sa mga Episcopalians nga nag baha...

To make it fair sa tanan nga molupyo, keep your religion in your house...ang mga mubo ra ug pangutok mao tong nakiglalis nganong giwala ang prayer sa schools and etc! now when you pray the Our Father sa School do you think mo pray ug Our Father si Akmed? nope. And you you think that would change Akmed's faith though hearing you pray the our father everyday? nope!

Respect one's faith! that is!

Kay only the hypocrite religious people would say they are correct and be saved! Thats very STOOP! each and everyone of us has his own faith on how to be save, and everyone of us wants to see heaven if the time comes. Pero lain lain man lagi ta ug karsada ug sakyanan.

Ang uban gusto jud ka pasakyun sa ilang bus nga pwerteng punoa, bibo kaajo sila but i want to travel alone in my mercedes! got what i mean?

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« Reply #170 on: January 07, 2009, 12:20:01 AM »
hmm..interesting.. let me read from page 1.

ngita kog sakit sa ulo for now :D

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« Reply #171 on: January 07, 2009, 12:25:30 AM »
if you need tylenol? let me know....

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« Reply #172 on: January 07, 2009, 12:30:16 AM »
wew``taasa..kapoia apas..

sometimes we love intellectual masturbation jud no? ugh..

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« Reply #173 on: January 07, 2009, 12:38:54 AM »
bem, i think it's perfectly okay to engage in intellectual masturbation, if that's how we call it, but wala lang unta personal insults.  Stay in or out of topic but don't go over and beyond that.

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« Reply #174 on: January 07, 2009, 12:45:07 AM »
i agree te.. pro sometimes... sometimes..

ewy.. hope you all had a merry xmas.

my wish for x-mas was to have Santa's list so that I would know where the naughty boys are. hahahahahhah!!

lighten up everybody!!!

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« Reply #175 on: January 07, 2009, 12:50:07 AM »
hahaha bueng man ka bem oi!  sige lang bem, merry christmas is everyday man pod so you'll have more chances to meet some naughty boys!  good luck!  ;D

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« Reply #176 on: January 07, 2009, 12:52:41 AM »
mas maayo gyud ang withdrawal ug tae hisgutan kay di gyud maglalis...hahahahha


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« Reply #177 on: January 07, 2009, 12:53:50 AM »
I stand by my point. And I will not delve into personal insults like some of us here whose pride has been affected.



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« Reply #178 on: January 07, 2009, 01:09:14 AM »
Bitaw oi! to all of you...mag hsgut gani ta ug religion bisan asa or bisan unsa nga sitwasypn, dont generalize nga everybody has the same religion as you kay mao man nay maka conflict sa panag hiusa.

Mao bitaw na diri sa Merika nga giseparate ang religion kay para magka hiusa. Walay ma left alone sa suok kay sila Saksi ni Jehova gamay ra nga congregation kay sa mga Episcopalians nga nag baha...

To make it fair sa tanan nga molupyo, keep your religion in your house...ang mga mubo ra ug pangutok mao tong nakiglalis nganong giwala ang prayer sa schools and etc! now when you pray the Our Father sa School do you think mo pray ug Our Father si Akmed? nope. And you you think that would change Akmed's faith though hearing you pray the our father everyday? nope!

Respect one's faith! that is!

Kay only the hypocrite religious people would say they are correct and be saved! Thats very STOOP! each and everyone of us has his own faith on how to be save, and everyone of us wants to see heaven if the time comes. Pero lain lain man lagi ta ug karsada ug sakyanan.

Ang uban gusto jud ka pasakyun sa ilang bus nga pwerteng punoa, bibo kaajo sila but i want to travel alone in my mercedes! got what i mean?

So buy your own cars now, and travel safely...

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I see your point.



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« Reply #179 on: January 07, 2009, 01:19:08 AM »
Bitaw oi! to all of you...mag hsgut gani ta ug religion bisan asa or bisan unsa nga sitwasypn, dont generalize nga everybody has the same religion as you kay mao man nay maka conflict sa panag hiusa.

Mao bitaw na diri sa Merika nga giseparate ang religion kay para magka hiusa. Walay ma left alone sa suok kay sila Saksi ni Jehova gamay ra nga congregation kay sa mga Episcopalians nga nag baha...

To make it fair sa tanan nga molupyo, keep your religion in your house...ang mga mubo ra ug pangutok mao tong nakiglalis nganong giwala ang prayer sa schools and etc! now when you pray the Our Father sa School do you think mo pray ug Our Father si Akmed? nope. And you you think that would change Akmed's faith though hearing you pray the our father everyday? nope!

Respect one's faith! that is!

Kay only the hypocrite religious people would say they are correct and be saved! Thats very STOOP! each and everyone of us has his own faith on how to be save, and everyone of us wants to see heaven if the time comes. Pero lain lain man lagi ta ug karsada ug sakyanan.

Ang uban gusto jud ka pasakyun sa ilang bus nga pwerteng punoa, bibo kaajo sila but i want to travel alone in my mercedes! got what i mean?

So buy your own cars now, and travel safely...

PASAKYA KOS IMONG MERCEDES, DA BINS, UNYA IHAPIT KOS PIG-OT KAY MAMAYLE KO...

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« Reply #180 on: January 07, 2009, 02:23:03 AM »
bwahahhahaha!

mashu-ang ko nimo Glace!

lavoo Glace!!!!

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« Reply #181 on: January 07, 2009, 02:24:31 AM »
unya te. pahuwamon tamo sa kang Santa lista sa mga naughty boys.. para naa mo pasahero:)

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« Reply #182 on: January 07, 2009, 02:25:09 AM »
bem, i think it's perfectly okay to engage in intellectual masturbation, if that's how we call it, but wala lang unta personal insults.  Stay in or out of topic but don't go over and beyond that.


i would prefer to say that is an intellectual intercourse!!! kay murag dili sapnot!
hahahhaha

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« Reply #183 on: January 07, 2009, 02:28:17 AM »
Glace ning balik ko ug basa sa imong pig-ot!

di jud nako tuyoon nga mag katawa jud ko!!!

hwahahahahhaaaaaay!

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« Reply #184 on: January 07, 2009, 08:39:11 AM »
daghan na pud nadugang sa thread pila ra ka oras ko nawala. i thought nagkagubot na pud mo.

sa didto kos balay, nakahunahuna ko nga murag walay postings kau diri sa gaza bombings. siguro kay mas grabe ang attacks diri, intellectual and hhmmm dare i say personal?

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« Reply #185 on: January 07, 2009, 08:49:46 AM »
sana ug sano, ang Dios daghan ug paagi sa pagsukod sa atong pagtuo. He moves in mysterious ways. Sa bad origin of Christmas(very negative word for the true spirit and meaning of Christmas), its a fact but still a product of man's inteligence. But we have to remember that our 2.5lbs brain could impossibly discern the vast ocean of mysteries in this world we live in. science could not even discern what is life or the characteristic of water that turn into liquid in a certain negative temperature.

lets strengthen our faith..... lets still believe Sta. Claus........ this man from the north stands or manifest the spirit of Christmas......... rak en roll palagi my TB friends!

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« Reply #186 on: January 07, 2009, 08:56:33 AM »
I raise my glass of Merlot to that, Buwad!

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« Reply #187 on: January 07, 2009, 09:00:15 AM »
tagay Lor! Peace and Blessings!

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« Reply #188 on: January 07, 2009, 09:01:57 AM »
I raise my glass of Rumcoke to that, Buwad! (sundog2 ra ko enzo ha)

Peace na ta oi! (kung ugaling nay uban diha nga wa ma at peace)

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« Reply #189 on: January 07, 2009, 09:11:14 AM »
Peace na ta tanan! Amen to that, Sir Calle.

Taga-i ko bi sa imung rumcoke.

Mo testing lang ko ba. hahahaha



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« Reply #190 on: January 07, 2009, 10:13:15 AM »
daghan na pud nadugang sa thread pila ra ka oras ko nawala. i thought nagkagubot na pud mo.

sa didto kos balay, nakahunahuna ko nga murag walay postings kau diri sa gaza bombings. siguro kay mas grabe ang attacks diri, intellectual and hhmmm dare i say personal?

kudos mga sano and sana!!!



Calz, mas grabeh pa diri kay sa Gaza?

hahhahahhaha

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« Reply #191 on: January 07, 2009, 10:33:07 AM »
Peace na ta tanan! Amen to that, Sir Calle.

Taga-i ko bi sa imung rumcoke.

Mo testing lang ko ba. hahahaha


tanduay and coke ra na bro sagulon.

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« Reply #192 on: January 07, 2009, 10:35:15 AM »


Calz, mas grabeh pa diri kay sa Gaza?

hahhahahhaha

lagi. tsk tsk tsk

majo pa diha sa injo kay daghan snow!


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« Reply #193 on: January 07, 2009, 11:16:01 AM »
sus nag handom na ko ug summer calz!

ginoo kanus-a pa man to oi!

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« Reply #194 on: January 07, 2009, 11:20:20 AM »
ang pinas murag summer from jan to dec. last month, ang pinakabugnaw diri 19 degrees Celsius ra.

ngana jud ming wa katilaw pag snow, mangitag snow, wa kabalo dili lalim mag-antos sa kabugnaw.

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« Reply #195 on: January 07, 2009, 11:52:59 AM »
ang pinas murag summer from jan to dec. last month, ang pinakabugnaw diri 19 degrees Celsius ra.

ngana jud ming wa katilaw pag snow, mangitag snow, wa kabalo dili lalim mag-antos sa kabugnaw.

korek ka dyan, calle!  di jud nko ma imagine na di ko kagawas sa akong pultahan kay napuno na ang snow!  One time nag laag ko with my friend didto mi sa Lake Tahoe, grabeh jud kay ang mga sakyanan nadat-ugan na ug snow.  I didn't think that was fun.  Well, fun kon mag patak2x lang ta sa snow or mag skiing but that's about it.

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« Reply #196 on: January 07, 2009, 01:09:56 PM »
Sa California pa ko nag puyo, i can wear my sandals and shirt all year round...

diri kay inig human sa fall, utingkay na jud sa winter clothes kay ug mag langan2x ka,

mokalit ra jud ug snow, mao nga matangkong jud ka sa sulod sa balay...

replacing clothes in  my closet every winter is what i learned here...

dili sajun oi! im really longing to smell the early morning breeze from my bedroom window kay mangabre man jud ko kanunay basta summer...

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« Reply #197 on: January 07, 2009, 01:53:01 PM »
let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! miss dabz! hehehehe!

sa pinas like in luzon which is located north from bohol mas tugnaw dire siguro compared to central visayas down to mndanao. very pleasant ang weather ngaun murag naa kas ircon infact mag init mig tubig ug maligo sa buntag kay ngigkig jud kas bugnawng tubig. pero pag dating sa summer Jesus! mura jud kag gi tusta napud!

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« Reply #198 on: January 07, 2009, 02:41:38 PM »
yeah, naka experience ko sa Bagiou sa una Wad, tugnaw man didto...

ilang shower pwerte jud tugnawa...

i like the cold pero kanang dili binuwad! aw binuwan diay!!!

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« Reply #199 on: January 07, 2009, 02:46:15 PM »
Tugnaw bitaw kaayo sa Baguio ba?  One time, gipa anha nko akong mga pobreng ginikanan sa Manila unya akong gidala sa Baguio. We were also with my cousin and my elder sister.  Intawon, nag adto na mi sa Cubao bus station midnight daw beh kay puno naman ang bus so we waited for the 3 a.m. trip.  To cut the story shorter  ;), naka abot nami sa Baguio!  Didto mi sa Church which is just a walking distance from the bus station then namahaw dayon mi'g bbq chicken.  Ga hilom lang si Daddy tawon.  Dayon gi libot2x nako sila sa Baguio.  We were planning to stay at least two nights didto.  Daw beh, gi korum mi ni Daddy. Ingon sya, if di mi manguli dayon balik sa Manila, maglisud jud daw mi kay kakuyapon na sya sa ka tugnaw!  Gi ignore ra unta to namo but Daddy said, wa jud ko gabinuang.  Hala kay luspad naman diay kaayo si Daddy.  Sakit diay ijang rayuma sa ka tugnaw! hahaha  Uli dayon oi! ;D

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