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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2009, 05:18:08 AM »
lets not forget the topic why we have talked about time so that we can trace the progress of the discussion...
 

keeping on evading....



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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2009, 05:20:10 AM »
.................


your message was so simple to comprehend lorenzo...

that time has a beginning..and earth and galaxy ages....


but let us stick to the discussion..... lets remember why we have talked about time?

why?

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« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2009, 05:22:13 AM »
lets make this simple lorenzo... and please answer my question for the last time...

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?

or i might be hallucinating?

Where and when did I state that? Please, indulge me..

I actually posted an addendum to a comment MsDabinsi posted some 4-5 pages. In that post, I answered a misinterpretation. That Christmas and the date--is the core and center of the Liturgical Calendar. It begins the year, in the Annual Mass dates--and coincides with the celebration of Baptism, Easter, the Ressurection etc etc.

The post, Roy, was elucidating many in here to the logistics of the date.


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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2009, 05:23:52 AM »

didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?
yes or no

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« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2009, 05:25:16 AM »
.................


your message was so simple to comprehend lorenzo...

that time has a beginning..and earth and galaxy ages....


but let us stick to the discussion..... lets remember why we have talked about time?

why?

Good!

Time has a beginning, and as it has a beginning it has an end.

The Universe, like time, will expand until it collapses upon itself.

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« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2009, 05:26:29 AM »
your scientific theories may be true.. since these are not yet laws.. can be disproven later on....


its your cup of tea... i have mine...



Ah, you conceded.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2009, 05:27:00 AM »
fdaray said and i qoute

Born on Dec. 25 ?

Honest scholars admit that the customs of Christmas and a Dec. 25 celebration long predate the birth of Christ. Nevertheless, wasn't Jesus born on Dec. 25 ? Let's look at some of the scriptural evidence.

Luke's Gospel, describing Christ's birth, tells us: "So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:6-8, emphasis added throughout).

We see that when Jesus was born shepherds were spending the night with their flocks in open fields. In that region, from December to February, though the heat of the day might feel comfortable enough when the human body is covered, the cold of the night was piercing. Thus the shepherds never kept their flocks and herds out in the open country from December through February-it was simply too cold (Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, 1959, p. 2). This in itself tells us that Jesus could not have been born anywhere near Dec. 25.

The Roman census system is another historical proof that Jesus wasn't born in December. Luke 2:1 tells us that "it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered." However, this would not have happened in winter because "the middle of winter was not fitting for such a business, especially for women with child, and children to travel in. Therefore, Christ could not be born in the depth of winter ... And if any shall think the winter wind was not so extreme in these parts, let him remember the words of Christ in the gospel, `pray that your flight be not in the winter'" (Hislop, p. 92).

The Romans were efficient administrators. They would never consciously choose a time to register every man, woman and child when travel would have been so difficult because of cold and inclement weather. Here, too, is biblical proof that Jesus was not born in December's cold weather.

A far more likely scenario is that Jesus was born in the autumn, around the time of the biblical Feast of Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34-36), when Joseph and Mary would have traveled to Jerusalem to keep the Feast along with thousands of other Jewish families. This also helps us understand why in the town Bethlehem, a few miles to the south of Jerusalem, "there was no room for them in the inn" (Luke 2:7)-the town would have been crowded with other travelers keeping the Feast at this time of year. (For additional biblical evidence that Jesus was likely born at this time and not on or near Dec. 25, request our free booklet Holidays or Holy Days: Does It Really Matter Which Days We Keep?)


as an answer to this ive said

that we cannot conclude on this because we have different time measurements.. and that time is fictional..

then you reacted.. isnt? or im wrong?

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2009, 05:30:31 AM »
this is exactly what ive said!!!

the main proposition is the bad origin of christmas  which in nature a factual question.  and i just find it funny why the debate is biblical.  the last thing i would involved myself into is a religiuos debate.  which reminds me of the comical religious debate in the rizal park during sundays..

the main topic being posted is not even talking about christmas as the birth of christ.  shouldnt we wonder why the chinese, the thais and the non-christian world not to include the muslims celebrate christmas.  it has become more or less a civil celebration.

and maybe we remind ourselves that time is fictional and is created by man. and the fiction of time during that time is different.

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« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2009, 05:31:13 AM »
this was my first statement..

please bare in mind that the bible is not a  a factual history book, its a figurative-literary description of the life of the Hebrews and of the life of Christ and His descendants.

time measurements were different during these times..

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2009, 05:32:14 AM »
this is what youve answered....

 Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

Regards,

so am i making this up? or what?

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2009, 05:32:44 AM »
please read your own previous comments as you read mine.. ok?   thanks

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« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2009, 05:34:22 AM »
didnt you mean biblical in origin, the birth of christ?  or i may just be too tired today that im hallucinating?

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2009, 05:34:49 AM »
im not putting words into your mouth, lorenzo..

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« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2009, 05:38:31 AM »
this is what youve answered....

 Absolutely, and we know that, but nonetheless the spirit of the word is God-breathed.

As a catholic and as a christian we are all called to bear in mind its teachings. Again, I am answering the subject that was called in question, which was biblical in origin.

Regards,

so am i making this up? or what?

LOL!

I posted that in regards to the teachings of the Catholic Church in regards to the Blood of Christ and the Body of Christ. In Eucharistic tradition.

We were not even discussing time, lol

Good try, bud.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
Roy,

If you want to read the entire thread, start from the beginning and not 'page skipping'

hahaha!

Made me laugh there.

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
I have always thought that devoted Christians like you are men enough to admit what they have said...



 back to the main proposition, you cannot base your arguments on bibical sense, since the question is factual...

arent Christians humble enough to accept this?

I am a Christian and I will accept this.. period...

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« Reply #136 on: January 06, 2009, 05:41:12 AM »
my comment was intended for fdaray and you reacted...

why should i read the entire thread when we are talking about our discussion you and me?


you need endorphine... im happy...

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« Reply #137 on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:15 AM »
I have always thought that devoted Christians like you are men enough to admit what they have said...



 back to the main proposition, you cannot base your arguments on bibical sense, since the question is factual...

arent Christians humble enough to accept this?

I am a Christian and I will accept this.. period...

Roy,

you just used a quotation that doesn't even substantiate your claim. On the contrary it refers back to the discussion I had with fdaray in regards to the Apostolic Tradition of the Catholic Church in regards to the Body of Christ and the Blood of Christ in Eucharistic Intake.

Which, in regards to the discussion--is supported biblically.



We did not even talk about time---THAT, Roy, was something you brought into the thread. :P

so please...I stand with my original argument. AND I think I've debugged your flawed argument(s).

Lorenzo,

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #138 on: January 06, 2009, 05:43:52 AM »
so then lorenzo.... i hope you will also read what you have said and what  i have said.....

isnt pride a sin?  the problem lorenzo,, is that you cannot deny what you have written here....

goodnight.... and just a piece of advice...

dont base your arguments on the bible or any figurative literature for that matter when the question is factual...



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« Reply #139 on: January 06, 2009, 05:46:04 AM »
my comment was intended for fdaray and you reacted...

why should i read the entire thread when we are talking about our discussion you and me?


you need endorphine... im happy...

LoL

Well considering that the central nervous system produces endorphins naturally, and produced by the pituitary glands--and are natural neurotransmitters secreted in mammals (in animals at that), I can say that I have my own supply.

Do you have enough?

E

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« Reply #140 on: January 06, 2009, 05:49:34 AM »
so then lorenzo.... i hope you will also read what you have said and what  i have said.....

isnt pride a sin?  the problem lorenzo,, is that you cannot deny what you have written here....

goodnight.... and just a piece of advice...

dont base your arguments on the bible or any figurative literature for that matter when the question is factual...



LoL

This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the argument that you even posted.

Nothing, none of your posts or claims was even substantiated..you were arguing just for the sake of argument--even despite the fact that i answered your own definition of time as being an abstract concept--and being 'useless'.

So, I beg to reiterate your most famous saying, "Stick to the topic."



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« Reply #141 on: January 06, 2009, 05:52:33 AM »
didnt you mean biblical in origin, the birth of christ?  or i may just be too tired today that im hallucinating?

You're hallucinating.

I was referring to the Catholic Tradition of the Eucharist being Biblical in Origin.

Now, Ray, if you read the entire thread from beginning, you would have known that instead of assuming i was regarding to the Birth of Christ our Lord.


In all due respect,


Lorenzo,

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« Reply #142 on: January 06, 2009, 05:59:19 AM »
didnt you claim biblical scriptures in support of your answer in determining the birth of Christ?
yes or no

Again, an example of a communication gap.

You, Ray, are selectively reading text.

When I wrote that comment, I was addressing fdaray in our discussion about the Eucharist and its origin being biblical.

Christ's Birth was not addressed.

Had you read my post, you would not have made a communication misinterpretation.

Dare I say that you even read any of my posts at all in refute of your argument(s)?

Don't be so provincial.


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« Reply #143 on: January 06, 2009, 06:34:27 AM »
I apologize to all the readers if we went off tangent. Back to the subject.

Humbly yours,
Lorenzo

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« Reply #144 on: January 06, 2009, 09:10:38 AM »
nakaigit na kog binasa og asa ra  kini padong...LOL....

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« Reply #145 on: January 06, 2009, 09:24:37 AM »
lol, glace, its more interesting (hilarious) when one misinterprets a quote that wasn't even supporting an argument.

This thread is good for vasodilation and brochoconstriction. lol.

Maka katawa pood ta.

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« Reply #146 on: January 06, 2009, 10:32:37 AM »
pagkabiboha jud sa thread! lami basahon pero sige kahang ang mga computer diri! ahak!

nakaigit na kog binasa og asa ra  kini padong...LOL....

gitubol ko glacier! lol

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« Reply #147 on: January 06, 2009, 10:35:14 AM »
calle, time to burst out your opinion on this thread...tambal sa tubol ug kaigit...lol..

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« Reply #148 on: January 06, 2009, 10:47:15 AM »
im having an anaphylactic shock!

tabang gimme my nebulizer!!!!

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« Reply #149 on: January 06, 2009, 10:53:09 AM »
haha, just a nice lively debate. ;)

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« Reply #150 on: January 06, 2009, 11:02:30 AM »
i always have a divine feeling kung gaigiton ko... feels like "already here but not yet.." lol...

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« Reply #151 on: January 06, 2009, 11:06:28 AM »
galisud na gani kog digest sa ilang discussion bay glacier. kung muapil ko, gubot pas lukot ning threada.



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« Reply #152 on: January 06, 2009, 11:15:14 AM »
ajaw nalang lagi liboga imong utok Calz!

mag tagay nalang lagi ta...

to each his own nalang ta ani lagi...

kay for me bisan maabut pa sa Mars ug discuss aning butangan,

 di man na maka convince nako...

and i dont want to convince the readers too...

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« Reply #153 on: January 06, 2009, 11:26:25 AM »
galisud na gani kog digest sa ilang discussion bay glacier. kung muapil ko, gubot pas lukot ning threada.



aw, ayaw na lang, bay calls, kay basig kinahanglan ko ani og usang kom-kom Immodium pakalmas akong "gibati" lol...

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« Reply #154 on: January 06, 2009, 11:28:35 AM »
ajaw nalang lagi liboga imong utok Calz!

mag tagay nalang lagi ta...

to each his own nalang ta ani lagi...

kay for me bisan maabut pa sa Mars ug discuss aning butangan,

 di man na maka convince nako...

and i dont want to convince the readers too...

TAGAY  na sa sad, da bins, lain na sad ning Virtual tagay...lol

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« Reply #155 on: January 06, 2009, 11:36:47 AM »
mao lagi pagka palahubog ba ning mga baje sa TB! hahahahha

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« Reply #156 on: January 06, 2009, 12:14:22 PM »
TAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAY diha!

Hubog na ko!

mdb, laki man nas glacier!lol

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« Reply #157 on: January 06, 2009, 12:28:54 PM »
mao lagi pagka palahubog ba ning mga baje sa TB! hahahahha

nindot diay i-uban-uban ninyo sa kasanggotan kay di masayang ang tuba ug suka...hehehe

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« Reply #158 on: January 06, 2009, 12:30:31 PM »
TAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAY diha!

Hubog na ko!

mdb, laki man nas glacier!lol

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Re: The Bad Origin of Christmas: Truth Revealed
« Reply #159 on: January 06, 2009, 12:35:48 PM »
lamias red horse, gisingot pa ang botelya! tagay pa!

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