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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2010, 10:24:15 AM »
Basin sa ilaha, normal kini. Pero sa kadaghanan siguro dili.

Take this for example

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2891166/British-couple-are-jailed-in-Dubai-for-kissing-in-public.html

British Couple jailed in Dubai for kissing in public.


Pagka OA.  IF this situation was reversed unya kining mga kagwanga i-jail for something very stupid in other western societies..kadako kaha sa ilang protesta no..pero as usual...sige lang gilugaran ning mga yati-a ni.


truly oa for us, whose social mores differ from theirs.  but as usual, we cannot judge other cultures according to our own. 

di man hinoon prisohon sa atoa, pero ma-scandalize pa man tingali ta kun naay nagtukaay sa restaurant in full view of other customers.  (that's nothing in paris, of course, where i was scandalized to the max because it was a pinay nga wa gyod tawon mabugto ug tinuka sa iyang kauban nga white man, in full view of everyone in the park).

and by the way, if some noise is made if 'kining mga kagwanga' (your term for these people) i-jail for something very stupid in other western countries (western countries?  jailing kagwangs for something stupid?), the noise is often made by western mediamen who race for a scoop.  did you hear anything from these kagwangs themselves, ever?

to end this thus, it pays to always know the basic laws of a country one visits, most especially on public behavior.  it's one's safest bet.  one doesn't go abroad to impose one's values.  too bad for that british couple of public kissers.  they could have f**ked all they wanted in private.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2010, 10:38:40 AM »
truly oa for us, whose social mores differ from theirs.  but as usual, we cannot judge other cultures according to our own. 

di man hinoon prisohon sa atoa, pero ma-scandalize pa man tingali ta kun naay nagtukaay sa restaurant in full view of other customers.  (that's nothing in paris, of course, where i was scandalized to the max because it was a pinay nga wa gyod tawon mabugto ug tinuka sa iyang kauban nga white man, in full view of everyone in the park).

and by the way, if some noise is made if 'kining mga kagwanga' (your term for these people) i-jail for something very stupid in other western countries (western countries?  jailing kagwangs for something stupid?), the noise is often made by western mediamen who race for a scoop.  did you hear anything from these kagwangs themselves, ever?

to end this thus, it pays to always know the basic laws of a country one visits, most especially on public behavior.  it's one's safest bet.  one doesn't go abroad to impose one's values.  too bad for that british couple of public kissers.  they could have f**ked all they wanted in private.

naa baja daghan foreng nga pwerte buloka sad noh? its not because they can go to other world and has money, smart na sila! dili jud! example ning akong mga kagupa diri naay mga kwarta maka afford mo adto bisan asa (which they didnt) pero ang mga attitude ma priso sad sa laing planeta kay mga way HANAW! ana ra gud na.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2010, 10:41:21 AM »
ang una nakong tuyo for acquiring an abaya kay para panghadlok sa mga bata sa mga silingan sa subdivision sa pinas nga mag-siyagit-siyagit sa dalan at past 11 pm.  imagine unsay ilang bation kun kalit lang nga naay mosutoy nga morag lungon sa tungang gabii.  but i changed my mind kay maluthang unya ko sa ilang ginikanan labi na ug naay bata nga mahug sa kanal ug dinagan.   
Nakatawa ko ani,sayang wa ma try nimo maka imagine man pud tag panghubag hubagan jud ang mga bata.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2010, 11:03:10 AM »
abaya diay tawag ana! nga ug sa atong mga suban-on pa (daghan sa amoa) PATADJONG?   ;D  i learned something...

nganga bitaw ko ani the first time i learned this word, ms da binsi.  abaya ni sa arab world (am not sure if it's the whole arab world though) but it's called chador in iran, which isn't an arab country.  apelyido ni sa ato, di ba? kaliwat ug mga ilokano.  wa hinoon ko kahibawo ug naa bay apelyidong patadjong sa ilaha.  faet ug magtangag ug ngan nga mrs. patadjong, igsoon ni mrs. tsinelas, manghod ni mrs. t-back. ;D

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2010, 12:13:14 PM »
Sa laing bahin kanang abaya nakatabang pod na sa among kabuang sauna adtong among kapanahunan sa Saudi.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2010, 12:19:30 PM »
truly oa for us, whose social mores differ from theirs.  but as usual, we cannot judge other cultures according to our own. 

di man hinoon prisohon sa atoa, pero ma-scandalize pa man tingali ta kun naay nagtukaay sa restaurant in full view of other customers.  (that's nothing in paris, of course, where i was scandalized to the max because it was a pinay nga wa gyod tawon mabugto ug tinuka sa iyang kauban nga white man, in full view of everyone in the park).

and by the way, if some noise is made if 'kining mga kagwanga' (your term for these people) i-jail for something very stupid in other western countries (western countries?  jailing kagwangs for something stupid?), the noise is often made by western mediamen who race for a scoop.  did you hear anything from these kagwangs themselves, ever?

to end this thus, it pays to always know the basic laws of a country one visits, most especially on public behavior.  it's one's safest bet.  one doesn't go abroad to impose one's values.  too bad for that british couple of public kissers.  they could have f**ked all they wanted in private.


ermmm.... Isles, it was a peck on the cheek and not a lip salad like the regular show we see in our very own BQ mall between 60yo gramps and what looks like to be half naked 16 yos. pls read the article.


And yes, those "kagwangs" do make a lot of noise. Calling for the death of the infidels for every little reason and difference that they do not like. Well, if you're christian, that includes both you and me.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2010, 07:01:33 PM »

ermmm.... Isles, it was a peck on the cheek and not a lip salad like the regular show we see in our very own BQ mall between 60yo gramps and what looks like to be half naked 16 yos. pls read the article.

And yes, those "kagwangs" do make a lot of noise. Calling for the death of the infidels for every little reason and difference that they do not like. Well, if you're christian, that includes both you and me.


i did read the article before commenting on your post, lycx.  clearly, the 'peck on the cheek' thing is the defense of the accused.  it was different for the local who called the attention of the police.  it is not for us to make conclusions as to who was right because we both weren't there as witnesses.  let's leave that to the investigators who are more often than not oxford-trained. 

as for the noise of your 'kagwangs', have you ever counted how many they are?  they're not the whole race.  they're just some organizations that seem noisier than they truly are because the western press amplifies it.  and the noise is not for every little reason, mind.  most of their histories are peppered with white colonization and the plunder of their resources.  they've been hurt.

maybe we should also read middle east history and not just current news from a british tabloid known for sensationalism.

how unchristian can we get when we generalize. this forum might explode if, hypothetically, someone would declare that pinays grovel at the sight of white men because their abiding ambition is to get married to them and be brought abroad.  it is a generalization, unfair and wholly wrong.  it is an affront to your dignity. 

but let me repeat myself, ad nauseam.  we go to a foreign country and live with their laws, or bust.  my sympathy is with those two british nationals, but it is unchristian to condescend to a people and the laws of a sovereign country like the united arab emirates.

   


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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 07:14:57 AM »
A do agree with you that we should follow laws of our host country and yes, I may be at fault when I generalize people from there. But from my perspective, all I've seen coming from that part of the world has been bad things. Oppression of women mostly, people like Sarah Balabagan and people rallying death to the infidels.

It may not be the entire populace but I find it disturbing that if that were the majority, why don't they try to take measures to control these extremists who give all of them a bad name. Even  though I agree we should agree with respecting our host country, most countries also give courtesy to people of a different persuasion. Thus, in the US, you can wear whatever you want as long as its not offensive to others.

Even in our dear old Philippines, we give allowances for those of a different persuasion. We excuse them from customs different from ours, and as long as they're not hurting us, you don't hear a peep.

It may not seem a lot, and as you said, the media may amplify it. But think of it this way, for people to pick it up and pass it along, the message must be truly hateful or it must be really loud , don't you think ?

Furthermore, I don't think it is right when you say that their history is peppered by White colonization, the Arab world has not been colonized, if my history serves me right. I think the more appropriate term would be Catholic invasion in the Holy Wars in the time of the Crusades.

to close, I do not condescend upon them, rather, I can own up that I really dislike them as a whole.  I do not think myself better than them but I would rather have nothing to do with them if I can help it. Its a personal preference and from what little my experience is with dealing with people from that part of the world. They always screw you over. Personally as clients for both my husband and I.

Holy War is an even bigger reason I don't want anything to do with them too.  ;)

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 07:52:20 AM »
ang bayan ko'ng Pilipinas
lupain at gintong bulaklak!
(huy ginoo di man gani ko katiwas...!)

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2010, 09:46:05 AM »
A do agree with you that we should follow laws of our host country and yes, I may be at fault when I generalize people from there. But from my perspective, all I've seen coming from that part of the world has been bad things. Oppression of women mostly, people like Sarah Balabagan and people rallying death to the infidels.

if we take it only from the western press, it would appear that women are oppressed there.  up close and personal, we will note that we cannot find more pampered women.  try getting access to more varied sources of information and you will find out that not all that’s coming from that part of the world is bad.

sarah balabagan is real, a symbol that struck at the heart of the filipino’s (imagined) low status and imperfect bureaucratic red tape (how did she ever get out to be employed when she was a minor?) and, as usual, amplified for publicity.  an aside:  remember the guy who was at the forefront in saving her and whose face and name was all over the tri-media?  he ended up running for the senate, with sarah balabagan’s face behind him in his campaign posters.  he didn’t win.  the joke that the people will therefore vote for balabagan for senator did him in.

come on, there are many sarah balabagans in our own backyard, with fellow filipinos (and chinese, to be fair) abusing their household helpers themselves.  these don’t get the same publicity.  what I’m saying is that bad employers are everywhere, not just in the arab world. 

as for ‘people rallying death to the infidel’, unless otherwise fanned into a big flame by the western press, more often than not they may as well be likened to our student activists of yore shouting ‘makibaka, huwag matakot!’       




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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2010, 09:47:24 AM »
ang bayan ko'ng Pilipinas
lupain at gintong bulaklak!
(huy ginoo di man gani ko katiwas...!)

hehehe.  just call to mind freddie aguilar.  i like his version best.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2010, 09:53:11 AM »
It may not be the entire populace but I find it disturbing that if that were the majority, why don't they try to take measures to control these extremists who give all of them a bad name. Even  though I agree we should agree with respecting our host country, most countries also give courtesy to people of a different persuasion. Thus, in the US, you can wear whatever you want as long as its not offensive to others.


did you mean minority, as in ‘…if that were the minority’?  because it’s not the majority, of that you can be sure.  to conclude otherwise is like saying that all anti-abortionists in the u.s. bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors who perform abortions.  or how about concluding that there are many timothy mcveighs in oklahoma?

and they’ve been undertaking measures to control these extremists.  i don’t know what your basis is for saying that they haven’t.  fortunately for me, i’ve read up, much, because i’m very interested in geopolitics and i bother to know all sides, including their vested interests. 

you can imagine the intelligence efforts they’ve made (in coordination with the worldwide intelligence network, including the u.s., naturally, and the Philippines, whose intelligence network is widely respected for its accuracy), and the number they’ve caught.  hardly does the western press fan these into blazing reports, but these are way, way more massive than catching school bullies in the u.s.   
 
there won’t be hundreds of flights to and from the middle east daily with countless visitors and investors going in and out if those countries don’t give courtesies to people of different persuasions.  i can honestly say without batting an eyelash that they are more courteous there (with old world charms like europeans) than how it is in our own country where we could get shouted down in our own airports.

and countries and societies have different standards of what’s offensive.  so why call ‘oa’ the uae’s standard of not allowing public kissing just because it is tolerated in your own milieu?



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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2010, 09:56:40 AM »
Even in our dear old Philippines, we give allowances for those of a different persuasion. We excuse them from customs different from ours, and as long as they're not hurting us, you don't hear a peep.


as long as they’re not hurting us…’ so there it goes.  what hurts one society may not hurt another.  public kissing, in the case of the issue at hand, may not hurt in our dear old philippines, but it is different where the accused couple did it.  one, thus, cannot mete judgment on the other.  just because we believe we give allowances to those of different persuasions doesn’t mean others don’t.   




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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2010, 09:56:53 AM »
akong pagka babaje, naa man jud koy pagka horny pero di jud ko tig kiss sa publiko nga kanang mouth to mouth!

ambut ba sad ug nganong nag m2m sad tong mga brits! di na jud kahuwat sa taxi or sa restroom ba kaha...

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« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2010, 10:03:01 AM »
if we take it only from the western press, it would appear that women are oppressed there.  up close and personal, we will note that we cannot find more pampered women.  try getting access to more varied sources of information and you will find out that not all that’s coming from that part of the world is bad.

You are lucky if you've had that then.Up close and personal. Some people say you don't know what you're missing if you've never had it. I tend to agree with it. For some who have not known any other kind of life, it must be the best. Likewise, since I am born, educated and lived with a different type of principle, I will never know that I am missing that which I never had, flaunting my femininity instead of extreme modesty, working alongside "the boys" instead of being the little princess, I  think pampered for me might be a wholly different principle of pampered for them..or for you, for that matter.

As for Sarah, I am not talking about bad employers, since they are everywhere but I am talking about the principle of the thing. She was raped and then she was the bad person for defending herself. That part, I cannot stand behind. Violence against women and women having no political  identity is the part that I can never stand behind.


Here's an interesting read
http://www.bellaonline.org/articles/art27334.asp

in all, I just don't want anything to do with them because of these two factors : Violence against women and being called an infidel.

I have muslim friends in Iligan and Tangub as my dad is from Tangub, they don't care if I'm christian or I'm a girl. So they're ok in my book. I have yet to meet somebody from that part of the world here in Houston, anyway,  who do not look down on me as a woman or who doesn't gawk rudely and openly at the crucifix i wear around my neck.



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« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2010, 10:06:41 AM »

It may not seem a lot, and as you said, the media may amplify it. But think of it this way, for people to pick it up and pass it along, the message must be truly hateful or it must be really loud , don't you think ?


i don’t think so.  the game of geopolitics is more rabid than our local politics.  people can always either amplify or diminish.  this isn’t new. 

‘Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing.  It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.’ -Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels



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« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2010, 10:18:51 AM »
Furthermore, I don't think it is right when you say that their history is peppered by White colonization, the Arab world has not been colonized, if my history serves me right. I think the more appropriate term would be Catholic invasion in the Holy Wars in the time of the Crusades.


sorry, but your history didn’t serve you right.  try looking up on why there is such a country as jordan, for starters.  there was white colonization.  please take note that ‘white’ here doesn’t necessarily mean americans. 

the ‘catholic invasion’ during the crusades was on the holy land, mainly palestine, and in the strict sense of the word didn’t involve the arabs but the turks, though it can be said that it can be confusing because the holy land, which was then occupied by the turks, had people of the semitic race (to which both arabs and jews belong).




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« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2010, 10:21:13 AM »
to close, I do not condescend upon them, rather, I can own up that I really dislike them as a whole.  I do not think myself better than them but I would rather have nothing to do with them if I can help it. Its a personal preference and from what little my experience is with dealing with people from that part of the world. They always screw you over. Personally as clients for both my husband and I.


liking or disliking them of course is your choice.  It is unfortunate that by your own admission the choice you made is based on your ‘little experience’.




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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2010, 10:21:23 AM »
did you mean minority, as in ‘…if that were the minority’?  because it’s not the majority, of that you can be sure.  to conclude otherwise is like saying that all anti-abortionists in the u.s. bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors who perform abortions.  or how about concluding that there are many timothy mcveighs in oklahoma?

you got me, I meant the minority.

and they’ve been undertaking measures to control these extremists.  i don’t know what your basis is for saying that they haven’t.  fortunately for me, i’ve read up, much, because i’m very interested in geopolitics and i bother to know all sides, including their vested interests.  

Surely if they have, wouldn't this be public knowledge, spread across new networks or online ? If you have access to these reports and materials that say otherwise, good for you. You are very lonely in that minority.  ;) I am interested but I will readily admit , not beyond the news, and not beyond what I can find in google or bing.

you can imagine the intelligence efforts they’ve made (in coordination with the worldwide intelligence network, including the u.s., naturally, and the Philippines, whose intelligence network is widely respected for its accuracy), and the number they’ve caught.  hardly does the western press fan these into blazing reports, but these are way, way more massive than catching school bullies in the u.s.    

I should hope so...and I should also hope that they are not corrupt and unreliable like the ones displayed by our countrymen in the war in Mindanao in 2000.
 
there won’t be hundreds of flights to and from the middle east daily with countless visitors and investors going in and out if those countries don’t give courtesies to people of different persuasions.  i can honestly say without batting an eyelash that they are more courteous there (with old world charms like europeans) than how it is in our own country where we could get shouted down in our own airports.  

I think there still would be, people who need money will take the risk and go. A buddy of ours went, gets paid 3 times the regular rate of commercial pilots here for thesame type of jobs. Our compatriots still would go if the jobs are there and investors will always go where the money is...and they have lots. I've been told Dubai is like the Las Vegas of the middle east and Abu Dhabi has the real money. Between those, I can only assume that there is something for those willing. Courtesy is a matter of opinion, but since I've never been there, I will trust you with that.

I only know that in my brief attempts at trying to call my husband on a trip there, the hotel phone operators at least were very rude. It doesn't represent the whole region, but it sure as hell left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

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and countries and societies have different standards of what’s offensive.  so why call ‘oa’ the uae’s standard of not allowing public kissing just because it is tolerated in your own milieu?

OA is a matter of opinion, maybe the more apt term was "overboard" ? The mother herself did not see and a child could be told what story she should be telling. It would be a different story had they done a full on lip salad in public where there were other reliable witnesses , I'd say, they deserved it. Thing is, you or I will never know what type of kiss they did, or if the little girl was telling the truth. Makes me think of our judicial system, "beyond a shadow of doubt" ? In this case, because of the prevailing culture, they got what they got.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2010, 10:24:25 AM »
Holy War is an even bigger reason I don't want anything to do with them too.  ;)

lastly, this ‘holy war’ as spouted only by a group or groups as your reason for not wanting to have anything to do with them is also reason enough for you to miss out the good in the majority of these people.  too bad.  where you are, you could have had all the reasons to expand your horizon.





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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2010, 10:25:47 AM »
liking or disliking them of course is your choice.  It is unfortunate that by your own admission the choice you made is based on your ‘little experience’.


I guess it is quite safe then, to assume, that you've had more fortunate dealings with the people in question personally ? I sure hope so, you do defend them quite well.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2010, 10:30:31 AM »
lastly, this ‘holy war’ as spouted only by a group or groups as your reason for not wanting to have anything to do with them is also reason enough for you to miss out the good in the majority of these people.  too bad.  where you are, you could have had all the reasons to expand your horizon.

True, but I go to the path of least resistance. The way I figure, why bother when I am already considered a lower creature just because I'm a woman. I try to go where I can feel welcomed and not hated for reasons that I couldn't change. I am born a woman, brown and raised Catholic. If I am hated because of that, there is no point for me to force myself. The world is big enough, and there are other cultures, other peoples that can and will teach me a lot. Life is short.  ;)

I can say this much though..Persian food is pretty darn good ! 

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2010, 02:02:18 PM »
OA is a matter of opinion, maybe the more apt term was "overboard" ? The mother herself did not see and a child could be told what story she should be telling. It would be a different story had they done a full on lip salad in public where there were other reliable witnesses , I'd say, they deserved it. Thing is, you or I will never know what type of kiss they did, or if the little girl was telling the truth. Makes me think of our judicial system, "beyond a shadow of doubt" ? In this case, because of the prevailing culture, they got what they got.


oa or overboard, my opinion, that may or may not matter, is that it’s still making some kind of judgment on a culture in relation to our own, which is just as unfair since we’re talking here of what is fair and unfair.

i believe the news item says that it’s about a mother who complained because kissing was done in public where her children were.  it doesn’t say that the child alone is the witness.  whether it was on the lips or just a peck on the cheek doesn’t really matter.  and they also have ‘beyond the shadow of a doubt’, otherwise there would have been no investigation.

holding hands in public between a man and a woman who are not married to each other is not even allowed there.  why should foreigners go there and complain when they fail to follow this, and why  do people who have never been there make their own judgments?   





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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2010, 02:07:19 PM »

I only know that in my brief attempts at trying to call my husband on a trip there, the hotel phone operators at least were very rude. It doesn't represent the whole region, but it sure as hell left me with a bad taste in my mouth.


for all you know the telephone operators were of another nationality.  hardly are there locals there who work in such sector.  (of the total population, only 19 percent are locals.  81 percent come from the rest of the world.)

i once vacationed in new york and felt rudely treated too in some instances.  that didn’t lead me to believe that all americans are rude.




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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2010, 02:12:09 PM »
I guess it is quite safe then, to assume, that you've had more fortunate dealings with the people in question personally ? I sure hope so, you do defend them quite well.

i’ve lived there for quite a while and spent my time studying the region’s history and taking in the local culture, so i feel like i could say some things with some basis about how it is there really.  if i may sound like i’m defending them, then that remains an unintended consequence.  the fact is i can’t stand it when conclusions are made out of a very thin basis, most especially if it’s about a people and their culture. 



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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2010, 02:18:18 PM »
I should hope so...and I should also hope that they are not corrupt and unreliable like the ones displayed by our countrymen in the war in Mindanao in 2000.

 you should always hope.  there will always be good people where there are bad, as you may have noticed in the place where you are.  and our country is not as bad as the western press puts it, as you may also know.





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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2010, 02:24:11 PM »
you got me, I meant the minority.

Surely if they have, wouldn't this be public knowledge, spread across new networks or online ? If you have access to these reports and materials that say otherwise, good for you. You are very lonely in that minority.  ;) I am interested but I will readily admit , not beyond the news, and not beyond what I can find in google or bing.


these are available, and you would have gotten at them if only you bothered to explore more, all these years.  (that takes years, and the basis are not just current news with tilts.)  note:  the internet is not the only source.  it takes intellectual curiosity and the cleansing of one’s stereotypes to get at the truth. 

by the way, just because you didn’t get to these sources doesn’t necessarily make you belong to the majority just as my access wouldn’t relegate me to the minority, as you claim.  consider statistics, for starters.  let’s grant that muslims have access to information that christians don’t bother about.  how many muslims are there?  their number alone won’t make them the minority. 

meanwhile, ensconced in their own comfort of feeling like they’re the center of the world and couldn’t be bothered by other things except when such comforts are challenged, some americans (with exceptions, of course) don’t even know where kosovo is and are even wondering if filipinos are asians.  (info 1 was on american tv almost a decade ago; info 2 was on the internet lately.) 

sorry to let you get off that high horse, but not knowing some things doesn’t mean you’re in the majority.  your lack of access in this respect and the bias of your conclusions based on the little access that you have may be what would make you lonely.   




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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2010, 02:29:53 PM »
True, but I go to the path of least resistance. The way I figure, why bother when I am already considered a lower creature just because I'm a woman. I try to go where I can feel welcomed and not hated for reasons that I couldn't change. I am born a woman, brown and raised Catholic. If I am hated because of that, there is no point for me to force myself. The world is big enough, and there are other cultures, other peoples that can and will teach me a lot. Life is short.  ;)

I can say this much though..Persian food is pretty darn good ! 

in texts and in practice, women are never relegated as lower creatures anywhere there or in the religion called islam.  again, this perception is a western one.  it’s similar, but on a different angle, to the perception of other nationals that the u.s. is all about hollywood where money talks, has loose morals, and f**king comes easy between strangers.   

like you, i’m a woman, brown and catholic.  i didn’t feel hated because of these.  (there were some fellow nationals though who got glares because they wore backless dresses and mini skirts in a place where all that is asked for is decency in clothes and ladies who dress in western clothes are not required to wear the abaya at all.)  so i can’t imagine why you would feel hated when you were never there.
 
true.  persian food is good, though i can’t understand why this came into the picture when our subject was an arab city.  iran and the united arab emirates may share the same region and religion (they’re even facing each other in the arabian gulf), but persians (i.e. iranians) and arabs are two very different races.  surely, everyone has access to this information.



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« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2010, 11:45:09 PM »
they must be fair also.. in Saudi Arabia you can not wear short and sleeveless

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« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2010, 01:13:44 AM »
for all security reasons, i support this law.



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« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2010, 01:33:55 AM »
for all security reasons, i support this law.




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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #71 on: May 06, 2010, 01:51:14 AM »

kabantay ka Glace ang mga advertisement sa ubos sa thread mga mukils sad nga nag sul-ot ug burkah? hahahahha! mura adtong stripper ni Hubag ang mga tsura? hahahhaha!



angajan bitaw sa...ok ra ko ana. basta makita lang ang tibook nawong bahalag tabunan nang ubang bahin...total, kamao man tawn ta mo-imagine unsay luyo anang gitabonan...magdepende baya akong imaginasyon sa kanindoton sa nawong. ako ra ni ha. hahahha

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2010, 01:54:31 AM »
Hahhaha mao rapud ni sa giingon nila Glacier nga ug kalibkibon kono ang nawong mao pud kono ang ubos hehehhe.

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #73 on: May 06, 2010, 02:39:53 AM »
Hahhaha mao rapud ni sa giingon nila Glacier nga ug kalibkibon kono ang nawong mao pud kono ang ubos hehehhe.


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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2010, 02:48:23 AM »
angajan bitaw sa...ok ra ko ana. basta makita lang ang tibook nawong bahalag tabunan nang ubang bahin...total, kamao man tawn ta mo-imagine unsay luyo anang gitabonan...magdepende baya akong imaginasyon sa kanindoton sa nawong. ako ra ni ha. hahahha

He he, depende seguro sa baje, Bay Glace. Di ba naay uban nga ang nawong maoy mas angay tabonan.... Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2010, 02:50:36 AM »
He he, depende seguro sa baje, Bay Glace. Di ba naay uban nga ang nawong maoy mas angay tabonan.... Bwahaha! ;D


bwahhahahhha! hala ka oi! ingon sila, ug unsa daw tsura sa nawong mao sad didto sa ubos! tinuod kaha na? unya si Jane cajes ani? hahahahhha!

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« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2010, 02:52:08 AM »
aw dili diay oi! ang lips diay to tan awon sa mga lalaki sa una! pastilan jud!

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« Reply #77 on: May 06, 2010, 02:57:09 AM »
you should always hope.  there will always be good people where there are bad, as you may have noticed in the place where you are.  and our country is not as bad as the western press puts it, as you may also know.

Yes, more often than not, it is worse, mind you. We share a bias of course being emotionally attached but when you look and really think of all that has happened when you were growing up, it clearly shows the bad habits and attitudes result in even worse than what is even reported in the news. Of course, money and power come into play, except in cases of extreme egregiousness like Mayor Sanchez. Otherwise, would we really hear of just 2 or 3 women they raped and killed ?

On the upside, there are a lot of good as well, the term, " Universality of the Human Experience" . It hurts to think about but it seems that all of most of our values that we thought as ours is not exclusive to us. Warm hospitality, sense of kabayanihan, family ties... I live in a community where there is a hodge podge of colors and nationalities and where you visit friends, hospitality is as warm as any Filipino household, most of the time, even better.


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« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2010, 03:14:04 AM »
these are available, and you would have gotten at them if only you bothered to explore more, all these years.  (that takes years, and the basis are not just current news with tilts.)  note:  the internet is not the only source.  it takes intellectual curiosity and the cleansing of one’s stereotypes to get at the truth.

Wow, now you're taking potshots. Just because my interest doesn't lie where I'm not wanted should take to mean I'm not intellectually curious ? Hmmmm.....maybe all that time studying roses and planting techniques I should've spent studying something useless 

by the way, just because you didn’t get to these sources doesn’t necessarily make you belong to the majority just as my access wouldn’t relegate me to the minority, as you claim.  consider statistics, for starters.  let’s grant that muslims have access to information that christians don’t bother about.  how many muslims are there?  their number alone won’t make them the minority. 

Majority = the most people....hmmm, 49% is minority,51% is majority wouldn't you say so, then it follows that if there's a better number of people who view that region negatively rather than positively, it follows that the previous group is a majority.

meanwhile, ensconced in their own comfort of feeling like they’re the center of the world and couldn’t be bothered by other things except when such comforts are challenged, some americans (with exceptions, of course) don’t even know where kosovo is and are even wondering if filipinos are asians.  (info 1 was on american tv almost a decade ago; info 2 was on the internet lately.)   

Yes, lots of Americans are ill informed...so are a lot of Filipinos. But come to think about it, if everyone was concerned about things that are useless in their daily lives, do you honestly think there could be progress ?  Your wealth of knowledge about geopolitics won't buy a mansion but maybe a wealth of knowledge in stocks, commodities or real estate will. You can't blame people for pursuing what is important to them...and FYI, I don't think most Americans think they're the center of the world. Just like how most Filipinos think that everything from the US is better, a lot of Americans think that if its from Europe, its better...so on and so forth.

sorry to let you get off that high horse, but not knowing some things doesn’t mean you’re in the majority.  your lack of access in this respect and the bias of your conclusions based on the little access that you have may be what would make you lonely.   

Again you take potshots. High horse ? I believe you have not really seen one yet so I'll let you off the hook on that one. IF anything, your comments have grown more and more condescending. Maybe you should rethink and actually socialize more , maybe you'll see what real people's concerns are.  Lonely ? you can draw your own conclusions. If anything, people who seem to think they're the end all , be all of knowledge are the most lonely. So, you can be alone in your citadel of geopolitical authority while I go to dinner and plant swap with my plant buddies, and be the normal, average, human being that I am  ;)

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Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2010, 10:30:36 AM »
He he, depende seguro sa baje, Bay Glace. Di ba naay uban nga ang nawong maoy mas angay tabonan.... Bwahaha! ;D

hahahaha..naay daghan. pero, kung naay tabon sa nawong ug wala sa ubang bahin sa lawas, magfiesta ta. hahahahahha

Hahhaha mao rapud ni sa giingon nila Glacier nga ug kalibkibon kono ang nawong mao pud kono ang ubos hehehhe.

bitaw, quel. hahahaha...ug upaw ang nawong, upaw pod ang ubos? hahahhaahha

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