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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #160 on: December 13, 2010, 10:37:57 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?


what? the idea is soooooo funny, sorry.....hehehe....


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #161 on: December 13, 2010, 10:43:23 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

There are hundreds of parishes in the Philippines, and the cost of running these parishes, sacramental rites, distribution of food and aid, is all contributed by members of the church. This is same for any and all churches: Aglipaya, Iglesia Ni Christo, etc etc.

In the United States, the large evangelical churches that are common in the South (which can seat up to 20,000 - 30,000) members all pay a fee to enter, then also tithe. The capital here is used to maintain the Congregation in order to spread the Word of God.

The same applies to the Catholic Parishes in the Philippines.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2010, 10:46:04 AM »
I attended a large Pentecostal Church (i was invited by a friend, so i attended) one time. They rented a stadium to seat the members; there were also about 5,000-10,000 that attended worship. To enter the stadium, I had to pay $5.00. So each weekend, that church raked up about $25,000- $50,000 based on entrance fees (not including tithes).



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #163 on: December 13, 2010, 11:21:25 AM »
I attended a large Pentecostal Church (i was invited by a friend, so i attended) one time. They rented a stadium to seat the members; there were also about 5,000-10,000 that attended worship. To enter the stadium, I had to pay $5.00. So each weekend, that church raked up about $25,000- $50,000 based on entrance fees (not including tithes).


Religion is a good business..

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #164 on: December 14, 2010, 10:17:36 AM »
Religion is a good business..

Religion is a business or not. It still be the same, God Almighty created us here in this planet so we may lead our life as teached in the holy books or the bible, as life experience, inorder for us to be in His kingdom....satan is here muddling this issue so he will lead us astray from the path God wants us to travel towards the gates of His kingdom living in everlasting life....blockbuster movies nowadays are glorifying devil or sorcerers or vampires.... lets be aware of this fact...and it seem considerable numbers of humanity are falling into satans trap....but we konw God is here, always showing us signs that He exist since the beginning of time and care for us. Virgin Mary is appearing to mankind as a witness of a living God's existence....if you live your life in God's way, He will led you away from troubles. Thats for sure it's there try to understand or discern it in you everyday life. "Praise God to the Highest and in the name of Jesus Christ"

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #165 on: December 15, 2010, 02:52:52 AM »
Religion is a business or not. It still be the same, God Almighty created us here in this planet so we may lead our life as teached in the holy books or the bible, as life experience, inorder for us to be in His kingdom....satan is here muddling this issue so he will lead us astray from the path God wants us to travel towards the gates of His kingdom living in everlasting life....blockbuster movies nowadays are glorifying devil or sorcerers or vampires.... lets be aware of this fact...and it seem considerable numbers of humanity are falling into satans trap....but we konw God is here, always showing us signs that He exist since the beginning of time and care for us. Virgin Mary is appearing to mankind as a witness of a living God's existence....if you live your life in God's way, He will led you away from troubles. Thats for sure it's there try to understand or discern it in you everyday life. "Praise God to the Highest and in the name of Jesus Christ"

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #166 on: January 13, 2011, 10:45:10 AM »
Religion is a good business..

Needless to say, some ways of making money are better than others...

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #167 on: January 15, 2011, 11:35:39 PM »
Needless to say, some ways of making money are better than others...

yeah, like those big pharmaceuticals supplying the contraceptives after lobbying with our legislators.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #168 on: January 16, 2011, 10:12:12 AM »
yeah, like those big pharmaceuticals supplying the contraceptives after lobbying with our legislators.

Hmm, comparatively small time...  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #169 on: January 17, 2011, 10:32:33 PM »
oh ten dog
why U are barking
the wrong Bark? ^_^

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #170 on: January 18, 2011, 10:03:26 PM »
must be a cat pretending to be a dog.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #171 on: January 18, 2011, 10:34:21 PM »
must be a cat pretending to be a dog.

Hmm. if a dog barking the wrong bark is actually a cat, can a cat meowing the wrong meow be actually a frog?  ???

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #172 on: January 19, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »
 Say it again Imelda?! >:(

Ilocos Norte Rep. Imelda Marcos arrived at the wake at around noon Tuesday.

Lozano hurriedly rose from his seat and greeted the widow of the strongman Ferdinand Marcos.

“This is such a painful situation and as a mother, I feel their pain,” the former first lady told reporters.

She blamed poverty as the cause of the brutality of Emerson Lozano’s killing: “This is the result. Because of poverty, people are forced to resort to such things. We have no right to take life, so we must work together to end poverty.”


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #173 on: January 19, 2011, 08:37:29 AM »
Hmm. Morag ang iyang padungog-dungog mao nga wa molampos ang ilang halangdong katuyoan "to end poverty" kay gipalayas man sila sa 1986...  :P

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #174 on: January 19, 2011, 01:52:10 PM »
with all her family's wealth and how it was sourced, she can still afford to talk about poverty? :o

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #175 on: January 19, 2011, 02:57:39 PM »
with all her family's wealth and how it was sourced, she can still afford to talk about poverty? :o

I guess the same could be said of the Catholic church!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #176 on: January 19, 2011, 11:10:21 PM »
I guess the same could be said of the Catholic church!

the catholic was never in the news for stealing nor was it ever called kleptocratic.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #177 on: January 19, 2011, 11:24:37 PM »
the catholic was never in the news for stealing.

You mean never? Are you sure?
nor was it ever called kleptocratic.

Im not surprised with a word like that!!  Thats a word that could open a whole can of worms!!...Had to look it up myself!!

By the way..I believe in God..Its just some of the men and women that run his church that I have my doubts about..

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« Reply #178 on: January 19, 2011, 11:53:03 PM »
You mean never? Are you sure?


as sure as i'm sitting here.  we're talking about "news" vis-a-vis "stealing".  i never came across a news item in this regard, much less read or heard about a courtroom case of theft against the catholic church.  or any other church of whatever denomination for that matter.

on the other hand, the bruited plunder of our country by the marcoses blazed as world headlines in 1986.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #179 on: January 19, 2011, 11:55:00 PM »
Im not surprised with a word like that!!  Thats a word that could open a whole can of worms!!...Had to look it up myself!!


you mean, you know the can is full of worms, yet you had to open it to see if they were really worms?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2011, 12:00:01 AM »
i did a little research for you, zef.

Kleptocracy, alternatively cleptocracy or kleptarchy, from Ancient Greek: κλέπτης (thief) and κράτος (rule), is a term applied to a government subject to control fraud that takes advantage of governmental corruption to extend the personal wealth and political power of government officials and the ruling class (collectively, kleptocrats), via the embezzlement of state funds at the expense of the wider population, sometimes without even the pretense of honest service. The term means "rule by thieves". Not an "official" form of government (such as democracy, republic, monarchy, theocracy) the term is a pejorative for governments perceived to have a particularly severe and systemic problem with the selfish misappropriation of public funds by those in power. (from Wiki)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #181 on: January 20, 2011, 12:06:38 AM »
Transparency International ranking of alleged kleptocrats:

In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in recent years.

In order of amount allegedly stolen (in USD), they are:

 1. Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
 2. Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion)
 3. Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
 4. Former Nigerian President Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
 5. Former Yugoslav President Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević ($1 billion)
 6. Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
 7. Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
 8. Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
 9. Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10. Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)

                                                            -also from wiki

cheer up!  we have two entries in this top ten list.

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« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2011, 04:03:27 AM »
Transparency International ranking of alleged kleptocrats:

In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in recent years.

In order of amount allegedly stolen (in USD), they are:

 1. Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
 2. Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion)
 3. Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
 4. Former Nigerian President Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
 5. Former Yugoslav President Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević ($1 billion)
 6. Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
 7. Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
 8. Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
 9. Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10. Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)

                                                            -also from wiki

cheer up!  we have two entries in this top ten list.

 I wish, naa unta pod ani si GOYANG! ;)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2011, 09:23:49 AM »
Islander..
I have a deep respect for believers in any faith that are genuine and have good hearts..As I said,I believe in God but do have many issues with some of the men and women that preach to us in his name..(certainly not all)

One of my best friends and his sister were left in the temporary care of the Catholic church. He was 7 years old.
They were both abducted along with hundreds of other children and sent to different parts of the world (usually ,Asia,Africa and Australia)and used as cheap labour to build local churches etc....
My friend and his sister were separated and sent to different parts of Australia. He never saw his sister again.
He was systematically abused by the priest and some of the older boys for many years.
Of course,this was not a "news story" until many years later which of course was strenuously denied by the Vatican!!
How they managed to cover it up for so long is pretty scary when you think about it.
When the evidence and testimonials were heard,the Catholic church`s position after much deliberation and many more years suddenly collapsed and the surviving kids finally received an apology and given $10.000 compensation each.
Kleptocracy is truly a great word..Put simply a very descriptive word that quickly illustrates the situation in most predominantly Catholic countries IMO..
I for one really wish I could see far more effort in giving practical help to the poor instead of just receiving their heart felt donations.

The only preacher that I tend to listen to and trust these days is Eli Sorriano.

Respect!
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2011, 09:36:16 AM »
I wish, naa unta pod ani si GOYANG! ;)

maybe goyang's was just small time, not enough to make it to the top ten?  or it is still in the process of being uncovered by these researchers?  ;)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2011, 10:03:42 AM »
Islander..
I have a deep respect for believers in any faith that are genuine and have good hearts..As I said,I believe in God but do have many issues with some of the men and women that preach to us in his name..(certainly not all)

One of my best friends and his sister were left in the temporary care of the Catholic church. He was 7 years old.
They were both abducted along with hundreds of other children and sent to different parts of the world (usually ,Asia,Africa and Australia)and used as cheap labour to build local churches etc....
My friend and his sister were separated and sent to different parts of Australia. He never saw his sister again.
He was systematically abused by the priest and some of the older boys for many years.

zeffa,

and i respect your respect for such believers.  too bad about your issues, especially that they came too close to home for comfort as the tragedy happened to that best friend of yours. 

different issues, as we may all know, are stranger than fiction.  we must not lose sight of the fact though that the church, catholic or not, are peopled by humans with their own frailties.  we cannot blame the church for what its human members do or not do.   

we must not also lose sight of the fact that it is foolhardy to scalp a whole clan just because one cousin has lice teeming on her head, or to throw a whole basket of tomatoes because one tomato is rotten.

the church, our faith, stands; its people come and go. 

respect!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2011, 10:18:18 AM »
the church, our faith, stands; its people come and go. 

As in, "the pond remains; its frogs come and go?"

Respite!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #187 on: January 20, 2011, 10:21:16 AM »
Of course,this was not a "news story" until many years later which of course was strenuously denied by the Vatican!!
How they managed to cover it up for so long is pretty scary when you think about it.
When the evidence and testimonials were heard,the Catholic church`s position after much deliberation and many more years suddenly collapsed and the surviving kids finally received an apology and given $10.000 compensation each.

there's a difference between "strenuously denied" and "keeping quiet".  the former is to be confronted with real evidence and to continue to insist, by officially announcing, that no such things happened.  the latter is not to say anything and to discretely wait as to how such accusations will pan out, with foolproof evidence and all.  even hardened criminals and repeat offenders deserve their day in court, right?

the quiet part is understandable.  even families who have an accused criminal from among them would never shout 'hallelujah' out to the world.  so would organizations.  so why not the church?  what we don't know is that the church may have made its own quiet investigations into those accusations, searching for proofs.  after which, as you say, the church made reparations. 

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #188 on: January 20, 2011, 10:24:09 AM »
As in, "the pond remains; its frogs come and go?"

Respite!

 ;D

maybe no, not in that sense.  the pond may dry up and the frogs can go elsewhere, though they may come back when the rains come. ;D

repent!

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« Reply #189 on: January 20, 2011, 10:29:12 AM »
maybe no, not in that sense.  the pond may dry up and the frogs can go elsewhere, though they may come back when the rains come. ;D

repent!

Ah, before the rains come, maybe I should fix my roof and while I'm at it, I guess I should also repent my sin?  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2011, 10:37:50 AM »
Kleptocracy is truly a great word..Put simply a very descriptive word that quickly illustrates the situation in most predominantly Catholic countries IMO..

ahh, here's pairing a rotten apple with a rotten tomato and calling the partnership a santol. 

what the study of the top ten kleptocrats concluded was that most of them are from countries that have undergone colonization.  colonization was blamed, not religion.  note that the number one on the list has the world's biggest muslim population. 

as for predominantly catholic countries, if i go by your claim, note too that france, poland and ireland, among others, are not on the list.  these are countries whose catholics are of a bigger percentage to their population compared to ours. 

greed has nothing to do with religion.  for as long as man is overcome by greed, he will always get what he doesn't deserve.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2011, 10:41:08 AM »
Ah, before the rains come, maybe I should fix my roof and while I'm at it, I guess I should also repent my sin?  ;D

while you're at it, why not include my roof as well?  i saw a small frog in the kitchen last night despite the absence of a pond on the kitchen floor.

repent your sin and glorify your nipa?  (shades of aquarius in some other thread.) ;D

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« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2011, 10:42:25 AM »
well said, isles. to add to your powerful point(s):

Germany (Europe's economic machine) has a large christian popululation; the majority of German Christians belong to the Roman Catholic Church.

Would it be fair to claim Germany as incredibly corrupt? hmm...

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is German. :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2011, 11:33:37 AM »
They are not on the list because Religion is dying in Europe and the Churches influence on Government is probably non existent these days..
This is bared out by average Euro Church attendances..France for example has an attendance of only 16%!! The UK and Spain only 25% compared to around 70% in the Philippines.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2011, 11:43:17 AM »
to continue, after the unexpected stoppage of electric power here... ;D

I for one really wish I could see far more effort in giving practical help to the poor instead of just receiving their heart felt donations.

i would take it, then, that you have been doing this and you wish others to do the same.

The only preacher that I tend to listen to and trust these days is Eli Sorriano.

sorry, but i haven't heard the name.  does he come from a country with a predominantly catholic population and a history of kleptocracy?

as for me, i never believed in preachers who spout hatred against other forms of worship, declaring along the way that theirs is the one, true kind.  even the devil can quote the bible.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #195 on: January 20, 2011, 11:52:23 AM »
i would take it, then, that you have been doing this and you wish others to do the same.
I think it would be inappropriate and ungodly to divulge that type of info..I hope that you agree.

sorry, but i haven't heard the name.  does he come from a country with a predominantly catholic population and a history of kleptocracy?

Yes,he is Filipino and is regularly on local TV channels..Everyday I think.

as for me, i never believed in preachers who spout hatred against other forms of worship, declaring along the way that theirs is the one, true kind.  even the devil can quote the bible.

I agree 100% !!



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #196 on: January 20, 2011, 11:55:39 AM »
They are not on the list because Religion is dying in Europe and the Churches influence on Government is probably non existent these days..
This is bared out by average Euro Church attendances..France for example has an attendance of only 16%!! The UK and Spain only 25% compared to around 70% in the Philippines.


this is now beginning to defy logic... are you saying then that when religion is 'dying' kleptocracy dies along with it?  such seems to be the trend of thought that you are conveying.

as for those percentages, yes, church attendance may be dwindling in europe (and in other western  countries, though how the percentages were arrived at aside from being mere estimates is something else.  i still have to go to a church that checks attendance; i haven't gone to an iglesia ni cristo church that does) but church attendance or lack of it has nothing to do with one's personal relationship with his god and the form of worship that he takes.  neither has it got anything to do with kleptocracy.

now, if we bother to go by your logic, what, by the way, is the percentage of church attendance in muslim indonesia that's on top of the list of kleptocracy?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #197 on: January 20, 2011, 12:05:40 PM »
I think it would be inappropriate and ungodly to divulge that type of info..I hope that you agree.

i don't agree, sorry.  charity is far from inappropriate and ungodly.

Yes,he is Filipino and is regularly on local channels..Everyday I think.

ahh, another media savvy preacher.  i hope he is telegenic.  i hope too that the tithe that his followers charitably donate to his cause would keep on coming so he could continue to buy airtime.

I agree 100% !!

thus do i hope that your seeming anti-catholic view is solely your own and your favorite preacher has nothing to do with it.



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« Reply #198 on: January 20, 2011, 12:07:07 PM »
well said, isles. to add to your powerful point(s):

Germany (Europe's economic machine) has a large christian popululation; the majority of German Christians belong to the Roman Catholic Church.

Would it be fair to claim Germany as incredibly corrupt? hmm...

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is German. :)

and i love the way germans celebrate mass.  it's so solemn.

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« Reply #199 on: January 20, 2011, 12:21:52 PM »

Ha ha!! Now you have me thinking...That I like!!
Ive never really contemplated this subject in great depth but am willing to form an opinion based on this conversation!! (Although I cant stay too long..Lots to do today)

are you saying then that when religion is 'dying' kleptocracy dies along with it?

Of course!! How could it survive otherwise?
Seems to me,it requires countries with high poverty levels to survive(A bit like the Church) so I was wrong when I said "predominantly Catholic countries",sorry about that!...
The R.P has a 70% church attendance right? Now thats a huge mandate of support by the people which no Government could ignore(or ignore at their peril).. How much political power and influence that represents in real terms is anyone's guess..

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