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Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« on: September 29, 2010, 05:51:23 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 06:00:44 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?


 I have the right to remain silent....AGREE!!! :D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 10:55:42 AM »
For me, religions ‘play essential role’ in family planning..

Natural Family Planning has come a long a way. Not only does it meet the church's moral standard for spacing births, it keeps a marriage going..



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 02:04:52 PM »
The question is....Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?

No, the Philippine Catholic Church is not against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is promoting the Natural Family Planning. I said no because I am one of the lecturers about Natural Family Planning in our Parish.

Actually, not only the Catholic Church is against the artificial family planning but all other Christian Communities.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 02:07:59 PM »
The question is....Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?

No, the Philippine Catholic Church is not against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is promoting the Natural Family Planning. I said no because I am one of the lecturers about Natural Family Planning in our Parish.

Actually, not only the Catholic Church is against the artificial family planning but all other Christian Communities.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 02:34:13 PM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

i disagree, with due respect to cynicism that seems to be what this post is about.  one doesn't have to think in terms of money when it comes to the stand of the catholic church on any issue that affects the population as a whole.

besides, why talk only of births vis-a-vis church income?  why not include deaths as well?  does the church concern itself with lost potential income when it makes a stand against murder?  a murdered man needs a requiem mass (which means some fee of sorts) and many more masses besides, and must be buried (which means some fee for a catholic cemetery plot, if the living chooses it.  n.b. private memorial plots are way too expensive).

if this friend can claim that more births mean more income to the church, then should he point out that more deaths also mean more income to the church, okay?

sometimes, completeness is needed for an argument to be credible.  the title of the post (or thread, if you may) by itself is already misleading.  i dare not say it's idiotic despite the temptation.

the catholic church is not against family planning, as this thread claims.  it is against artificial contraception.  

n.b. previous dina jala post says it all.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 02:37:06 PM »
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 07:24:07 AM »
The question is....Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?

No, the Philippine Catholic Church is not against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is promoting the Natural Family Planning. I said no because I am one of the lecturers about Natural Family Planning in our Parish.

Actually, not only the Catholic Church is against the artificial family planning but all other Christian Communities.



Amen!!!



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 08:06:46 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

Sounds logical? Not quite. I'm sure the Catholic Church has other, more lucrative sources of revenue.   ;)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 10:05:15 AM »
The question is....Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?

No, the Philippine Catholic Church is not against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is promoting the Natural Family Planning. I said no because I am one of the lecturers about Natural Family Planning in our Parish.

Actually, not only the Catholic Church is against the artificial family planning but all other Christian Communities.



I completely agree!

For me, religions ‘play essential role’ in family planning..

Natural Family Planning has come a long a way. Not only does it meet the church's moral standard for spacing births, it keeps a marriage going..



Excellent point!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 10:05:48 AM »
Amen!!!



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 10:09:39 AM »
hehehe, mo AMEN pood ko bi!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 10:33:49 AM »
I completely agree!

Excellent point!


@Lorenzo: Thanks!


For us, try not to be negative. It is easy to point out the downside of a situation, but if we make the effort to overcome our obstacles we can lead happier lives and be an encouragement to others.


Respect means a lot of different things.


Amen to that brothers and sisters.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 10:48:46 AM »
Na hala! AMEN na laman pod ko! :D


hahaha taga'an jud ta Grasya sa Ginoo karon ron! hehehe! Amen, Brothers and Sisters! :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 10:50:58 AM »

@Lorenzo: Thanks!


For us, try not to be negative. It is easy to point out the downside of a situation, but if we make the effort to overcome our obstacles we can lead happier lives and be an encouragement to others.


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Amen to that brothers and sisters.

Bernaldez, you said it all.  :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 10:57:43 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

Disagree, kadaghan catholic sa atua wala pa pabunyagi ang anak kay naghuwat nga naay panghanda heheheh. Catholic paman gani nag promote sa mga married couple bahin aning natural family planning. Sa tinuod lang di kasaligan ang income aning mga bunyag,pamisa ug uban pa kay gahi na manghatag mga tawo sa atua. Sa mga develop country wala may bayad ang pagkuha ug sacrament kay daghan man ug generous gud pero sa atua mao pugson nalang jud nga pabayron sa bunyag kay tagsa ray generous donors.
Catholic church stand against birth control because it's violation of God plan. God intended the sexual act to be both love giving and life giving.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 11:01:52 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

well, it's not only the catholic church that's against this method but some other religious sects as well. The only thing why we hear most of the time that it's the catholic church is against this it's because (1) the catholic church is very vocal about it and (2) there are more catholics in Philippines than any other religions.

I was baptised catholic but after learning some things as I grow older, I realize that religion is one of the major cause of conflicts that's why I don't believe in any other religion. I do believe in morals but we can certainly not forced our own morals to the morals of others. I know we have "universal" morals but the best thing to avoid conflict is to respect each other's morals and this is the part that most religious sects failed to do, respecting other's morals.

we know that this natural birth control has been existing for ages but this proves that this method does not actually work. Can any of the churches provide a document that the natural method works especially in the 3rd world countries like Philippines?

Catholic church is very firm on this ground about natural rhythm but does the church help the poor? HONESTLY.

Every time  I pass by a catholic church, I will always see the most needy person that's waiting for alms in the doorsteps of the church. But the church doesn't seem to bother by the scenery. I find this one very, very pitiful and hypocritical. It's so sad to say that Catholic church supports the "incoming" life but does not support the life that already exists. One example is the church does not allow abortion because, the fetus is "life" and we are not certain that this "fetus" MIGHT be the future leader. The MIGHT is still an uncertainty but we all know that this fetus has a long way to go. Why not concentrate on helping people who is in misery and needs help. This is for sure that we see "life" on this stage... There are people in prison who are wrongly convicted. Why is the church doesn't have enough fervor to help these people??? Try to think about it.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 11:02:32 AM »
Ang simbahang Katoliko is not really against family planting i mean ( planning ) what they want lang is Natural Family Planning (NFP) is an umbrella term for various forms of birth control that do not involve any hormones or physical barriers to prevent pregnancy, but instead rely on periods of abstinence during a woman's menstrual cycle. Popular forms of NFP include the rhythm method, basal body temperature charting and the Standard Days Method.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 11:02:55 AM »
Disagree, kadaghan catholic sa atua wala pa pabunyagi ang anak kay naghuwat nga naay panghanda heheheh. Catholic paman gani nag promote sa mga married couple bahin aning natural family planning. Sa tinuod lang di kasaligan ang income aning mga bunyag,pamisa ug uban pa kay gahi na manghatag mga tawo sa atua. Sa mga develop country wala may bayad ang pagkuha ug sacrament kay daghan man ug generous gud pero sa atua mao pugson nalang jud nga pabayron sa bunyag kay tagsa ray generous donors.
Catholic church stand against birth control because it's violation of God plan. God intended the sexual act to be both love giving and life giving.

hehehe beautiful, Raquel.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2010, 11:11:06 AM »
Ang simbahang Katoliko is not really against family planting i mean ( planning ) what they want lang is Natural Family Planning (NFP) is an umbrella term for various forms of birth control that do not involve any hormones or physical barriers to prevent pregnancy, but instead rely on periods of abstinence during a woman's menstrual cycle. Popular forms of NFP include the rhythm method, basal body temperature charting and the Standard Days Method.

Brown,

NFPs are effective almost every-time when used appropriately.

And to add to what Raquel, Isles and the rest have said, the Roman Catholic Church is not against family planning, it is against unnatural contraceptives. Life, in essence, is holy and important, in regards to Catholic Theology and Ecclesiastic Teachings. All human life is precious and holy, and this is not prejudiced only for Catholics, but all human life.

The Catholic Church has over 1.1 billion adherents. She administers the Living Word to the faithful on daily mass, pardons the sinners before death, spreads the Holy Gospel of Christ to all the world, upholds and funds the thousands of missionary programs around the world, educates the thousands of seminarians and other holy religious life around the world. She dispenses food and aid to those that are in need when in capacity to do so. Most importantly she offers requiem masses on daily basis, provides masses for the holy souls in purgatory, to which, no amount of money can compare to.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2010, 11:15:20 AM »
Disagree, kadaghan catholic sa atua wala pa pabunyagi ang anak kay naghuwat nga naay panghanda heheheh. Catholic paman gani nag promote sa mga married couple bahin aning natural family planning. Sa tinuod lang di kasaligan ang income aning mga bunyag,pamisa ug uban pa kay gahi na manghatag mga tawo sa atua. Sa mga develop country wala may bayad ang pagkuha ug sacrament kay daghan man ug generous gud pero sa atua mao pugson nalang jud nga pabayron sa bunyag kay tagsa ray generous donors.
Catholic church stand against birth control because it's violation of God plan. God intended the sexual act to be both love giving and life giving.

baptism and other sacrilege are becoming a business. if the church really want to give it to the people, why not just give it for free and not with fee?

religion is the easiest and fastest way to find money - (1) people believe in church, (2) church don't pay taxes (3) people give money to church, etc. there are many example why building a church is good business. just take a look or search on the net the history of the mega churches in the US on how they first started. if the church is truly there to help people, most, if not all, of the church founders of the mega church in US got luxurious cars than their patrons. Isn't that ironic and hypocritical? 

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2010, 11:22:02 AM »
baptism and other sacrilege are becoming a business. if the church really want to give it to the people, why not just give it for free and not with fee?

religion is the easiest and fastest way to find money - (1) people believe in church, (2) church don't pay taxes (3) people give money to church, etc. there are many example why building a church is good business. just take a look or search on the net the history of the mega churches in the US on how they first started. if the church is truly there to help people, most, if not all, of the church founders of the mega church in US got luxurious cars than their patrons. Isn't that ironic and hypocritical? 

These are not Catholics, but large evangelical denominational protestant churches. These ministers are not celibate priests and nuns who pledge a life of penance, celibacy, and chastity to the Holy Church.

Through all my life, the priests that I have known here in the US drive very old cars, many of whom don't even have cars, but are given transportation by the faithful or take public transportation.




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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2010, 11:28:01 AM »
These are not Catholics, but large evangelical denominational protestant churches. These ministers are not celibate priests and nuns who pledge a life of penance, celibacy, and chastity to the Holy Church.

Through all my life, the priests that I have known here in the US drive very old cars, many of whom don't even have cars, but are given transportation by the faithful or take public transportation.

that's the fact tho that building a church, no matter if it's catholic, protestants, it's the easiest way of making money. and it's a world wide fact that roman catholic church is the richest church in the entire world. just take a look at the luxury of how the pope is treated.

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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2010, 11:28:36 AM »
baptism and other sacrilege are becoming a business. if the church really want to give it to the people, why not just give it for free and not with fee?



Baptism has been the core of Catholic Teaching. It is the foundation of entrance into Christian Life. Child Baptism , a Sacred Act, introduces the child to the Catholic Church, and prepares them for their Holy Communion, and ultimately prepares them as Catechumens, who eventually receive Grace during Holy Confirmation.

The form of financial payment to the church for special masses goes for the provision of the functional duties of the church, and ultimately, is important for the dispensation of the Word of God.

Grace is given to those who are happy givers, whom God showers abundantly a thousand fold.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2010, 11:30:20 AM »
and the church itself cannot address its internal problem. why show off that they can solve every one's problem if they themselves cannot resolve the internal problem that's been going on for ages - as what the funny saying says "it's difficult to solve/face the problem if the problem is your face."

the church should fix it's own dilemma first before solving other's problem.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2010, 11:34:32 AM »
that's the fact tho that building a church, no matter if it's catholic, protestants, it's the easiest way of making money. and it's a world wide fact that roman catholic church is the richest church in the entire world. just take a look at the luxury of how the pope is treated.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church is The Church. It has over 1.1 billion adherents and its improtance in spreading the Word of God is pivotal, whose main goal is for the Salvation of those whom believe. Financial aspects will be always there, as any programs will cost money, and thus The Holy Mother the Church needs to pay them. It is through the goodness of the faithful who give, and have been giving for the continuation of the spreading of the Gospel and the dispensation of Church activities.

Catholics, despite their location and their position, are The Church.

The Pope, as the Vicar of Christ, if we refer to the Doctrine of Apostolic Tradition, is the Living, Breathing Representative of Chirst on Earth. We revere him as Christ's Vicar. He carries himself accordingly and in authority.



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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2010, 11:35:46 AM »
well, i know a lot of people are brainwashed by the church by giving them false hopes. there are plenty of conflicts within the bible. but we are being threatened that if we will question the integrity of the bible, we go to eternal damnation. who will not get scared of that?

the church cannot prove most, if not some, that is written in the bible, that's why they force to introduce to us what we call "faith" - just accept it as it is and no questions.

science has been in conflict with the findings and in constantly in conflict with the church. but science is in conflict with one another due to the new facts, new findings and new technology that they keep on rebutting their own conclusion. and this is one major basis of the church to deny the science' claim on how the universe was created.

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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2010, 11:36:48 AM »
i don't intend to have an argument here but my intention is to let all the people have choice, open up their minds and let them choose what to believe.

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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2010, 11:36:56 AM »
and the church itself cannot address its internal problem. why show off that they can solve every one's problem if they themselves cannot resolve the internal problem that's been going on for ages - as what the funny saying says "it's difficult to solve/face the problem if the problem is your face."

the church should fix it's own dilemma first before solving other's problem.


All Mankind is faulted to sin, and will always err. Romans 3:23 dictates this. However, it is through Grace of God that makes what is imperfect, Perfect.

And it is the Grace of God that has been placed on the Holy Roman Catholic Church to Spread the Gospel of Christ. Since the days of Pentecost over 2000 years ago. And this will not change until the 2nd coming of the Lord.

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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2010, 11:38:32 AM »
that is great to have a loving god. but what baffles me is if there's really a loving god, why will he allow the sinners to go to "hell"?

if you're going to tell that story to a kid, what kid wont get scared of that?

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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2010, 11:39:20 AM »
well, i know a lot of people are brainwashed by the church by giving them false hopes. there are plenty of conflicts within the bible. but we are being threatened that if we will question the integrity of the bible, we go to eternal damnation. who will not get scared of that?

the church cannot prove most, if not some, that is written in the bible, that's why they force to introduce to us what we call "faith" - just accept it as it is and no questions.

science has been in conflict with the findings and in constantly in conflict with the church. but science is in conflict with one another due to the new facts, new findings and new technology that they keep on rebutting their own conclusion. and this is one major basis of the church to deny the science' claim on how the universe was created.

There are no such things as false hopes in the Church. Truth is lighted in Faith. To be able to discern accordingly.

I am a scientist/medical intern, and know that science itself is not full proof or 'unchallengable'. In fact, science is filled with errors. It is part of the transgression/progression methodology in data analysis if we refer to the process of Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Scientific Protocol.

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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2010, 11:40:21 AM »
that is great to have a loving god. but what baffles me is if there's really a loving god, why will he allow the sinners to go to "hell"?

if you're going to tell that story to a kid, what kid wont get scared of that?

Indeed. There is a Great, Loving God.

And yes, He Loves you too. :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2010, 11:44:18 AM »
truth is lighted on faith - that's the term that just believe and don't ask or no question as long as you believe even if there are conflicts.

we know darn well that there are plenty of flaws in the bible. for instance, that the earth is just a mere hundreds of thousand years old but the science dated it as millions of years old. bible says that it's a sin to eat shellfish, but why do we have shellfish and still eat them. the old testament legalizes the stoning to death and it was restated in new testament that those who don't have sins can cast the first stone. these are just a few that i can remember but certainly there are more. I am not a bible reader but certainly i have my own thinking to think what is right and what is wrong (f0r me) and I am not pushing it to have everyone believe what i believe.

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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2010, 11:48:10 AM »
well, if that's what people find strength to have a god, then i respect that. we all have the feedom of choice and freedom to believe and freewill.

it's in human nature to find somebody more superior to guide them like president, leaders, mayors and for the most superior one, is "god"

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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2010, 11:57:10 AM »
truth is lighted on faith - that's the term that just believe and don't ask or no question as long as you believe even if there are conflicts.

we know darn well that there are plenty of flaws in the bible. for instance, that the earth is just a mere hundreds of thousand years old but the science dated it as millions of years old. bible says that it's a sin to eat shellfish, but why do we have shellfish and still eat them. the old testament legalizes the stoning to death and it was restated in new testament that those who don't have sins can cast the first stone. these are just a few that i can remember but certainly there are more. I am not a bible reader but certainly i have my own thinking to think what is right and what is wrong (f0r me) and I am not pushing it to have everyone believe what i believe.

The Holy Bible was written by men that were of faith, and we refer to them, and its writings in scriptural symbolism.

My friend, you have very good points, and your questions can be answered quite easily by reading the Bible from cover to cover.
In regards to shellfish, that is seen in chapter 18 of Leviticus, in the Old Testament (prior to Christ's coming), and this was overturned later in the new testament when Christ said:

14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' "

 17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
-Mark 7:14-18


In regards to the 'Casting of the Stone', this refers to Christ's interjection of the would-be stoners of Mary of Magdalene. In doing so, Christ tells us that none is righteous or free of sin (Romans 3:23 clarifies this). Jesus Christ, in doing this, told the pharisees, Sadducees and all jewish men at the time that God is the judge of all things. Christ makes this so when he asked Mary Magdalene, "Where are your accusers?" And when Mary Magdalene looked back, all of them walked away, humbled by Christ's Truth.

Understanding the Bible requires reading it from cover to cover, and not judging it, because, likewise, most of your uncertainties and questions will be answered when accomplishing it.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2010, 11:59:40 AM »
.God is everywhere. You don't have to be a Catholics to go to heaven. The Catholics religion  in Europe or even in Vatican is rocked with scandals.Phedophile priest,the use of church money for thier own pleasure. Like gambling and women. Here in Ireland the land of Saints sad to say very few people go to church on Sundays.

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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2010, 12:01:44 PM »
i read it once but there are certainly plenty of questions that cannot be answered. one thing that really bugs me is if he is truly a loving god, why did he still use his "son" to bridge and forgive our sins? why did he not just make it magically disappear or forgive if he is all that powerful?

these are just some little things that needed to be answered but it's also trivial that most people don't even bother to ask.

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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2010, 12:03:32 PM »
well, if that's what people find strength to have a god, then i respect that. we all have the feedom of choice and freedom to believe and freewill.

it's in human nature to find somebody more superior to guide them like president, leaders, mayors and for the most superior one, is "god"

Yes, of course. We need to find the dichotomy between Religion and Faith. I think that the discord happens when one intertwines religion with the other.

Think of it as religion as a process, the pathway, so to say, a guide to an intended goal. Faith, is the blessing and the rich gift, unfathomable and beyond comparison in all materialistic things. Faith is the source, the wellspring that connects the finite to the infinite. The finite being perishable man. The infinite being the Loving Eternal God.

All of us have the right to believe in what we want (or not believe).

But there is beauty in Faith. Faith is essential in all things. Just as how a husband has faith in his wife (and vice versa). Just as how a child has faith that his mother and father will always help him and be there for him. It is the same as how a Christian (Catholic or non-catholic) has faith in the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ....


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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2010, 12:06:19 PM »
yes, faith is essential. but we cannot equate the faith on the the person we really see and we really trust. the "faith in god" is another story....

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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2010, 12:08:20 PM »
i read it once but there are certainly plenty of questions that cannot be answered. one thing that really bugs me is if he is truly a loving god, why did he still use his "son" to bridge and forgive our sins? why did he not just make it magically disappear or forgive if he is all that powerful?

these are just some little things that needed to be answered but it's also trivial that most people don't even bother to ask.

A very good question.

This goes in line with the Divine Writ of Selfless Love. God created man to be evident, and given free will. It is man's own will to war with God or to come to His bosom. After Adam & Eve's fall from Grace, man was at odds with God. It was not until the coming of Christ, were He literally died for the sins of Man. You see, God required retribution , His Law required this, and thus before Christ's coming, the gates of Heaven were closed.

It was only after Christ's selfless death on the Cross, which iluminated the Magnanimity of God's Love, that He would die for us, that salvation was possible.



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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2010, 12:08:50 PM »
i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2010, 12:12:49 PM »
yes, faith is essential. but we cannot equate the faith on the the person we really see and we really trust. the "faith in god" is another story....

Let me ask you a question, how do I know that you are a compassionate, intelligent, law-abiding citizen?

I really don't do I?

I cannot see compassion, I cannot see intelligence, nor law abiding nature (these are not physical entities, but concepts that describes a character about you, or so I hope).

But, I have Faith that you do. The likeness in that said processes applies to the Christian notion of Faith in Christ.

This verse holds Truth,
2 Corinthians 4:18,
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Hebrews 11:1,
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see

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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2010, 12:15:57 PM »
The Holy Roman Catholic Church is The Church. It has over 1.1 billion adherents and its improtance in spreading the Word of God is pivotal, whose main goal is for the Salvation of those whom believe. Financial aspects will be always there, as any programs will cost money, and thus The Holy Mother the Church needs to pay them. It is through the goodness of the faithful who give, and have been giving for the continuation of the spreading of the Gospel and the dispensation of Church activities.

Catholics, despite their location and their position, are The Church.

The Pope, as the Vicar of Christ, if we refer to the Doctrine of Apostolic Tradition, is the Living, Breathing Representative of Chirst on Earth. We revere him as Christ's Vicar. He carries himself accordingly and in authority.


You've got the right discussion Bran, spread it to everyone.

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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2010, 12:16:19 PM »
i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

Of course, there should be separation of Church and State, this is necessary. I truly did enjoy talking to you and discussing with you as well. Perhaps we can talk again next time when you are available.

Till then, God Bless You, Stycxxx!

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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2010, 12:20:54 PM »
I am glad naa si Lorenzo very smart and intelligent labi na ug ang catholic faith na ang hisgutan. God Bless you always Bran.

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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2010, 01:49:50 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself.  

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter of democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.



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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2010, 01:55:39 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.



Brilliance. The Wisdom of the Holy Spirit is in this post.

Father, you said it all.



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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2010, 09:51:34 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."
In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.


Bilib jud pud ko nimo Dre. Hahaha namuot ko sa TBN maayo bitaw mo join didto. Ok pud ning TB kay malinaw na gani ta sa kalit lang naay napud gubot mao ni dili boring diri.

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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2010, 10:25:13 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.


whew!  finally, nahuwasan ko.  after going through the pages in this thread, this is the answer i've been waiting for.  if i may borrow ms da binsi's expression--- i like it!  thanks, fr. chic, for simplifying faith and church tradition in terms that any layman can understand if he chooses to.  (may i copy this for my personal notes?)



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2010, 10:26:48 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2010, 10:28:43 PM »
Spartybabes, nagkadungan man tag klik ug post..bravozimouz.. ;)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2010, 10:50:15 PM »

hahaha, scarbzy migs, unsaon pareha man tag vibes.  kagiron ug hubon akitch,  ikaw fud vah?  unta!;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2010, 10:52:40 PM »
@ Spartybabes, kaspahon rakog alimpow preha ra na  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2010, 10:57:53 PM »
Sa totoo lang nahan kaau kog si Pads Chic na ang mo post labina sa mga topic nga delicate,
   "makabuhig patay" ija post ug may unod pah..♥ it Fro..!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2010, 10:58:41 PM »

paskang... kun sa tagalog pa, kayo talaga... lupig gihapon ko ni idol kong scabies, ehe, scarbzy.  super para nako hinoon kun kitang duha na lang ang punoon ug ulo, hihihik.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2010, 11:02:29 PM »
paskang... kun sa tagalog pa, kayo talaga... lupig gihapon ko ni idol kong scabies, ehe, scarbzy.  super para nako hinoon kun kitang duha na lang ang punoon ug ulo, hihihik.

Punoon ug korikongon? MangaZizi atong bagol² ana? Naa bay kaju-Ang sa ulo nga dako?  tyahahaha

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2010, 01:08:20 AM »
Hahahaha pareglahan na sad ko ninyo dah hahahaha.  ;D But thanks for the little complement. Bitaw, dili mana ako woi, mao man lang sad na akong pagsabot sa mga pagtulun-an sa atong simbahan, sama sad ninyo. Like most of us here I'm also, or, just a student of life. Daghan pa sad ko wa masabti... pero sama sa panultion, we're always on a search... for whatever, whether it be answers to life's questions, search for peace and happiness, search for truth, wisdom, etc. Pwede pod search pamalit og ice candy or manok BBQ (little dinero lang god).  ;D

And along the way we stumble a lot. But our faith gives us the assurance, or reassurance, that "somewhere out there" (dili tong kanta ha?  ;D), there is a God who loves us and cares about us (who even died for us)... which is truly a beautiful thought. And we put faith in that thought or promise. Simple as that (or is it?).

Pero naa baya poy laing mga ideals or world-views that think otherwise or something else (other that the Christian thought) sama sa nagkalain-laing mga world religions, communists, atheist (nga lain sag mga pangutok kay sa atoa)... Well, mao man sad nay ilang panan-aw sa kinabuhi or how they explain their worldly existence, so wa pod tay mahimo. Lain-lain baya ning mga panan-aw o panabot nato aning kalibutana and we simply live by it (our faith system) that we think is meaningful to us or make sense to us... because it's what we think gives meaning (purpose) to our life or existence.

Ug usbon ko, as Christians or Roman Catholics, mao man sad ni dagan sa atong pangutok... so kung dili ta ganahan sa panan-aw nga Katoliko, aw, naa pa man poy daghang selection sa MENU sa kinabuhi and we're free to choose what fits our personality, attitude or outlook. But don't claim to be Catholics when in reality you really believe otherwise.

Personally, I have great respect for people of other beliefs/faith (atheists included) when they live their lives out of conviction. In fact, I have friends from the Eastern Bloc countries (e.g. Czeck Republic, Croatia) who are "atheists by birth" but are the most wonderful people you could ever meet... and they are just as respectful to the Catholic faith, sometimes, even better than some people who claim to be Catholics hahahaha. Mor pa!!!  ;D

Anyway, thanks Bran (TB's official Catholic Defender), day RAQ (for your down-to-earth-ness), Islander (yes you can keep the note for your file) & Scarbz (Scarb-ramouche2x will you do the pandango! Bitaw woi ingon raman ang Simbahan kanang natural gamita kay mas lamian, jok jok jok  ;D... labi nag adto sa huNasaN sa Anda maghimog bata (AyUgZ!!!))  :P



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2010, 02:27:17 AM »
You are more than welcome, Father Lungay. And as a Roman Catholic Priest, your presence in Tubag Bohol Dot Com brings a sense of sanctity to this site. Your thoughts made into words upholds the faith of many of us Catholics, the Wisdom that you have posted is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in your life as well is seen in the lives of many of us. Your explanation truly illustrates the stance of the Roman Catholic Church in all things, there is no forcing anything, but there is the provision of Sacred Scripture as well as Tradition to those who are willing and open to hear them.

I will end this with this statement:


For two thousand years, the Roman Catholic Church has upheld Sacred Truths and has been pivotal for the dispensation of Faith, and has been absolutely instrumental throughout Salvation History. The Church wrote the Holy Bible , as equal and part of Sacred Tradition, which both complete and make up Sacred Truths in regards to Christian Faith. Empires have risen and fallen, Emperors and Kings alike have risen to power and fallen in death, nations have risen to power and fallen, but the Roman Catholic Church has withstood all of the challenges She has faced. She continues to be a guiding light and the provider of Christian Truth and a light towards Salvation in Christ.

I am not afraid to call myself a Roman Catholic. And yes, many around the globe are not afraid to stand up for Her, and Protect Her.

God Bless the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Not even the gates of hell can overrun Her. Christ promises this so. :)

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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2010, 02:39:44 AM »
Hahahaha pareglahan na sad ko ninyo dah hahahaha.  ;D But thanks for the little complement. Bitaw, dili mana ako woi, mao man lang sad na akong pagsabot sa mga pagtulun-an sa atong simbahan, sama sad ninyo. Like most of us here I'm also, or, just a student of life. Daghan pa sad ko wa masabti... pero sama sa panultion, we're always on a search... for whatever, whether it be answers to life's questions, search for peace and happiness, search for truth, wisdom, etc. Pwede pod search pamalit og ice candy or manok BBQ (little dinero lang god).  ;D

And along the way we stumble a lot. But our faith gives us the assurance, or reassurance, that "somewhere out there" (dili tong kanta ha?  ;D), there is a God who loves us and cares about us (who even died for us)... which is truly a beautiful thought. And we put faith in that thought or promise. Simple as that (or is it?).

Pero naa baya poy laing mga ideals or world-views that think otherwise or something else (other that the Christian thought) sama sa nagkalain-laing mga world religions, communists, atheist (nga lain sag mga pangutok kay sa atoa)... Well, mao man sad nay ilang panan-aw sa kinabuhi or how they explain their worldly existence, so wa pod tay mahimo. Lain-lain baya ning mga panan-aw o panabot nato aning kalibutana and we simply live by it (our faith system) that we think is meaningful to us or make sense to us... because it's what we think gives meaning (purpose) to our life or existence.

Ug usbon ko, as Christians or Roman Catholics, mao man sad ni dagan sa atong pangutok... so kung dili ta ganahan sa panan-aw nga Katoliko, aw, naa pa man poy daghang selection sa MENU sa kinabuhi and we're free to choose what fits our personality, attitude or outlook. But don't claim to be Catholics when in reality you really believe otherwise.

Personally, I have great respect for people of other beliefs/faith (atheists included) when they live their lives out of conviction. In fact, I have friends from the Eastern Bloc countries (e.g. Czeck Republic, Croatia) who are "atheists by birth" but are the most wonderful people you could ever meet... and they are just as respectful to the Catholic faith, sometimes, even better than some people who claim to be Catholics hahahaha. Mor pa!!!  ;D

Anyway, thanks Bran (TB's official Catholic Defender), day RAQ (for your down-to-earth-ness), Islander (yes you can keep the note for your file) & Scarbz (Scarb-ramouche2x will you do the pandango! Bitaw woi ingon raman ang Simbahan kanang natural gamita kay mas lamian, jok jok jok  ;D... labi nag adto sa huNasaN sa Anda maghimog bata (AyUgZ!!!))  :P



Hehehe, Faith truly is something that cannot be explained, but for those who have it and understand its effect, know that it is Truth unrivaled.

Just as the water buffalo , the grazing zebra, the wildebeest come back to the plains of Serengeti (Africa) every year, our faith in Christ is similar. These grazing herbivores come back to this place because of instict, knowing that the rainy seasons brings much needed green grass, fresh cool water to drink and the environment to raise their young until the coming of the dry season. This relationship can be translated as faith, in the fact that these animals traverse back to the Serengeti even during the dry season and wait till the coming of the rains. Normally, no animal would traverse back to an area without presence of sustenance (water, green leaves), but these animals do so. Because they they see beyond the eyes. They have faith of the coming of the rain. This is similar, in symbolic sense, to the Christian's (Catholic/Orthodox and Protestant; mind you Catholics are also Christian!!!! hehehe!!!); we cannot see Christ physically (perhaps in the form of Eucharistic Adoration) but we know that Christ is there with us. Is here with us, in our pains, in our joys, whatever circumstance it may be, we know that He is there with us. We know that when we die, we will be judged accordingly according to our faith and according to our deeds. We know that the darkness of death is not eternal, but only a phase, for we believe (and thus, KNOW) that Salvation is ours , for those who live and die in Christ....

We cannot physically see salvation, but we know it is there, we know we have it, we know that we are called to it. Just as the grazing herbivores know that the rains will come in the Serengeti, know that the dry season will disappear with the coming of the flooding , life-giving rain.

God In His Incomparable Brilliance makes His presence known every day.
It is up to  man to either continue to war with him or embrace His Love and Come to His loving Bosom.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2010, 02:46:13 AM »
Just as the water buffalo , the grazing zebra, the wildebeest come back to the plains of Serengeti (Africa) every year, our faith in Christ is similar. These grazing herbivores come back to this place because of instict, knowing that the rainy seasons brings much needed green grass, fresh cool water to drink and the environment to raise their young until the coming of the dry season.
We cannot physically see salvation, but we know it is there, we know we have it, we know that we are called to it. Just as the grazing herbivores know that the rains will come in the Serengeti, know that the dry season will disappear with the coming of the flooding , life-giving rain.

Hinan-awon jud nig Animal Planet ning Katolikoha, bwahahaha!!!  ;D



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2010, 02:51:25 AM »
mohinay naman gud ilang kita sa bunyag kay di na man kaayo magsige ug panganak ang mga bana ug asawa.

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« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2010, 02:52:38 AM »
Hinan-awon jud nig Animal Planet ning Katolikoha, bwahahaha!!!  ;D



;)

Father Lungay, for me, I find no discord between Science and Catholic Faith. In my opinion lang, our understanding of science (which is quite minimal) gives man an idea of how God works His Brilliance amongst the Universe. We can never come to fully understand Him and His Ways.
He is our Creator, and we His beloved creation.

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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2010, 03:10:00 AM »

 we cannot see Christ physically (perhaps in the form of Eucharistic Adoration) but we know that Christ is there with us.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2010, 08:19:42 AM »
;)

Father Lungay, for me, I find no discord between Science and Catholic Faith. In my opinion lang, our understanding of science (which is quite minimal) gives man an idea of how God works His Brilliance amongst the Universe. We can never come to fully understand Him and His Ways.
He is our Creator, and we His beloved creation.

Love,
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Ooops! I forgot to say, "Way to go, Bran!!!" Hahahahaha.  ;)



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2010, 08:33:52 AM »
Pops, ajaw oy. Ma uwaw man ko ron.  :-[

Now, how are those Louisianan Soft Shelled Crabs nowadays?

I'm craving shellfish/crabs now. Hahahaha :P

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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2010, 08:40:53 AM »
Pops, ajaw oy. Ma uwaw man ko ron.  :-[

Now, how are those Louisianan Soft Shelled Crabs nowadays?

I'm craving shellfish/crabs now. Hahahaha :P

According to the locals they are still good to go!!!  :D

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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2010, 09:23:10 AM »
As with all major religions, it's a numbers game. 
I'm dubious that even the religious texts support their argument: relating it to the story Onan is arguably wrong, in that God was angry at him for spiting his brother rather than for refusing to procreate, i.e. the intent rather than the act was punished.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2010, 09:26:22 AM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2010, 09:45:21 AM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

Why not? Naa man gani "siguro" ka (LoL). Aw, basin pog ni sunod ni San Pedro nga duna say pamilya ug mga anak. O di gani basin sa Mahal nga Birhen.... unya iya anak end up being the Messiah. You'll never know, hehehe. But kidding aside, I don't understand what has it to do with the topic at hand. If it does, aw, that says a lot nganong di pod sila ganahan ug artificial family planning... please read in between lines  ;D

The real story is... celibacy (not being married) is a precept (mind you, not a doctrine) in the Latin Rite (meaning, Roman Catholics) for her priests. Mao ni siya atong naandan, nga ang mga pari di jud maminyo. But in the other 12 or 13 other Catholic Rites, Catholic priests have the option to stay celibate or get married. Di lang ta suheto ani kay wa or gamay raman mga Eastern Rite Catholics sa ato. But if you live in Greece, Syria, some parts of Russia, allowed man mag minyo ang mga pari.

But to answer the question "Nganong naa may mga anak ubang mga pari?" Aw, unsa paman diay... nituna bisag way langaw sa basakan."  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2010, 12:03:26 PM »
Tawo ra baya pud ning pari naay kasing kasing nga huyang nga usahay matintal labi na ug kusog pud tong manintal.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2010, 12:34:34 PM »
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2010, 01:20:17 PM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

Mao ni siguro ning mga Pari-a ang "not against Family Planning"  ;D Bwhahahahahahaha.....! Unsaon naa man poy mga gwafa nga Inday nga snoopy kaajo kon unsa ang ilawom sa sutana...mao na!  ;)

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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2010, 03:28:36 PM »
Maid, Miadto sa kumbento kai gisugo sa iyang amo nga tua sa abroad nga pa bindisyunan ang iyang iro nga namatay before ipalubong.
 Maid: Padre gisugo ko sa akong amo nga pa bindisyunan kuno tong iyang iro nga namatay before ilubong!
 Pare: DAKO KAAYO AG TINGOG..Naunsa kah! Waba mo malipong? Iro pa bindisyunan? Dayon lakaw.
 Maid: Misinggit, pero DRE! Unsaon nalang ring iyang gipadala nga 1 thousand dollar para sa bendisyon?
 Pare: AW! Waman ka moingon nga KATOLIKO diay ang inyong iro! Na hala asa man ang iro kai akong bendisyunan! :D :D :D

hahahahaha ;D bleh :P

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« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2010, 05:29:52 PM »
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Amen! Simply do the natural way....

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« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2010, 06:14:46 PM »
Maid, Miadto sa kumbento kai gisugo sa iyang amo nga tua sa abroad nga pa bindisyunan ang iyang iro nga namatay before ipalubong.
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 Maid: Misinggit, pero DRE! Unsaon nalang ring iyang gipadala nga 1 thousand dollar para sa bendisyon?
 Pare: AW! Waman ka moingon nga KATOLIKO diay ang inyong iro! Na hala asa man ang iro kai akong bendisyunan! :D :D :D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2010, 07:30:01 PM »
Catholic church is not against Family planning  ???
If it is for the good of the family and to their children as husband and wife there where no problem on that.
Family planning is good in fact the church taught those couples by requiring them to attain a seminar before the acceptance of the holy sacrament of marriage.  What the church are against on the artificial contraceptives as part of family planning.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2010, 09:56:14 PM »
Catholic church is not against Family planning  ???
If it is for the good of the family and to their children as husband and wife there where no problem on that.
Family planning is good in fact the church taught those couples by requiring them to attain a seminar before the acceptance of the holy sacrament of marriage.  What the church are against on the artificial contraceptives as part of family planning.



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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2010, 10:35:28 PM »
well, i know a lot of people are brainwashed by the church by giving them false hopes. there are plenty of conflicts within the bible. but we are being threatened that if we will question the integrity of the bible, we go to eternal damnation. who will not get scared of that?

the church cannot prove most, if not some, that is written in the bible, that's why they force to introduce to us what we call "faith" - just accept it as it is and no questions.

science has been in conflict with the findings and in constantly in conflict with the church. but science is in conflict with one another due to the new facts, new findings and new technology that they keep on rebutting their own conclusion. and this is one major basis of the church to deny the science' claim on how the universe was created.

aren't you also brainwashed?  against the church?


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #80 on: October 01, 2010, 10:53:12 PM »
i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

why focus much on separation and not on relationship between church and state?    

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #81 on: October 01, 2010, 11:25:51 PM »
As with all major religions, it's a numbers game. 
I'm dubious that even the religious texts support their argument: relating it to the story Onan is arguably wrong, in that God was angry at him for spiting his brother rather than for refusing to procreate, i.e. the intent rather than the act was punished.

i take the story of onan as i take other stories in the old testament--- open to many layers of interpretations, symbolisms, lessons, fraught as the old testament stories are with the culture and tradition of a certain people in those times.

strangely, there are even those who take onan's story as an argument for the death penalty. 

yes, it's dubious.  but is this really what the catholic church is using as an argument against artificial contraception?  (if so, i haven't come across it.  i'd be glad to if only to find out how it's taken in context.)
 

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #82 on: October 01, 2010, 11:33:46 PM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

come on, you know the answer.  it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

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« Reply #83 on: October 01, 2010, 11:50:06 PM »
Correct, Isles. Just as the poster who asked that question is not impervious to sin, so are the priests. Romans 3:23 states, "For all have fallen short of the Glory of God." There is none amongst us that is free from sin.

The tone of such a comment is similar to the accusers of Mary Magdalene. Before you judge others, look at yourself. Before you point out the pin that is in your brother's eye, look at the log that is in your own eye. (paraphrasing from Luke Chapter 6, with emphasis)

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« Reply #84 on: October 02, 2010, 12:16:15 AM »
come on, you know the answer.  it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n.  tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan?  abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

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« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2010, 12:20:56 AM »
come on, you know the answer.  it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n.  tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan?  abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

 I had to admit, nga tikasan koh...Kong ako gani ang gunner daghan gyud sulod sa baso ;) Pero k******n? >:( Angay ni sila PANGLUNG-GUAN ug kamot! :D :D :D

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« Reply #86 on: October 02, 2010, 01:29:42 PM »
Why not? Naa man gani "siguro" ka (LoL). Aw, basin pog ni sunod ni San Pedro nga duna say pamilya ug mga anak. O di gani basin sa Mahal nga Birhen.... unya iya anak end up being the Messiah. You'll never know, hehehe. But kidding aside, I don't understand what has it to do with the topic at hand. If it does, aw, that says a lot nganong di pod sila ganahan ug artificial family planning... please read in between lines  ;D

The real story is... celibacy (not being married) is a precept (mind you, not a doctrine) in the Latin Rite (meaning, Roman Catholics) for her priests. Mao ni siya atong naandan, nga ang mga pari di jud maminyo. But in the other 12 or 13 other Catholic Rites, Catholic priests have the option to stay celibate or get married. Di lang ta suheto ani kay wa or gamay raman mga Eastern Rite Catholics sa ato. But if you live in Greece, Syria, some parts of Russia, allowed man mag minyo ang mga pari.

But to answer the question "Nganong naa may mga anak ubang mga pari?" Aw, unsa paman diay... nituna bisag way langaw sa basakan."  ;D

Among priests ang tawag ani nila "kabog!!!"  ;)




Well said, Father, well said. I am sure not many of the readers out there knew of such special cases, as seen in the Eastern Catholic Rite.

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« Reply #87 on: October 02, 2010, 06:18:06 PM »
come on, you know the answer.  it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n.  tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan?  abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #88 on: October 02, 2010, 06:21:47 PM »
Why not? Naa man gani "siguro" ka (LoL). Aw, basin pog ni sunod ni San Pedro nga duna say pamilya ug mga anak. O di gani basin sa Mahal nga Birhen.... unya iya anak end up being the Messiah. You'll never know, hehehe. But kidding aside, I don't understand what has it to do with the topic at hand. If it does, aw, that says a lot nganong di pod sila ganahan ug artificial family planning... please read in between lines  ;D

The real story is... celibacy (not being married) is a precept (mind you, not a doctrine) in the Latin Rite (meaning, Roman Catholics) for her priests. Mao ni siya atong naandan, nga ang mga pari di jud maminyo. But in the other 12 or 13 other Catholic Rites, Catholic priests have the option to stay celibate or get married. Di lang ta suheto ani kay wa or gamay raman mga Eastern Rite Catholics sa ato. But if you live in Greece, Syria, some parts of Russia, allowed man mag minyo ang mga pari.

But to answer the question "Nganong naa may mga anak ubang mga pari?" Aw, unsa paman diay... nituna bisag way langaw sa basakan."  ;D

Among priests ang tawag ani nila "kabog!!!"  ;)




Pads, nakadungog btw. ko ana nga naay option ang mga pari..wla na lang ko mo dig-up tarong ky dli man ko madre whops aw eh.
  On the other side am glad nga pwede diay manintal og pari..>butangi..tua na mitipaz napod...! kabog..!  ;D



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #89 on: October 03, 2010, 12:20:46 AM »
Pads, nakadungog btw. ko ana nga naay option ang mga pari..wla na lang ko mo dig-up tarong ky dli man ko madre whops aw eh.
  On the other side am glad nga pwede diay manintal og pari..>butangi..tua na mitipaz napod...! kabog..!  ;D


Kung makakita kag kabog ajaw baja pintika!!! Pwede ang kwaknit ehehehe  ;D



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« Reply #90 on: October 03, 2010, 04:05:11 PM »
sa lahat nang reader dito,,yong halata yata na merong taong anti christ ok..yong nag kikwenta na kita daw nang catholic sa binyag at sa patay aabot nang 1milyon...alam nyo ba saan pupunta ang perang yan?hindi naman sinosolo ang perang yan sa isang tao,,,pamuntayan sa gastosin nang simbahan,,mga charity...
Tungkol naman sa pamily planning alam nyo babakit totol ang simbahan sa artificial???????
Kung nag basa kayo nang bible alam nyo yon diba..............
Ganito kasi,,para sa akin nasa tao nayon kong ano gamitin nya.kasi..meron tayong freedom mamili dia,,halimbawa dami anak mo,,tapos di mo kaya buhayin paaralin so ano na,,mas naka longkot yong ganon diba,,nasa atin  lang mag desisyon,,,,,maslalo tayong magkasala kong mism ating sarili pinagbawalan pa natin.....mag isip kayo.....di yong merong edidi in na religion....at isipin nyo tamang religion,,,,,yong simula't sapol from the christ.......dami na kasi ngayon peke na relhiyon kapirahan lang,,,isipin nyo baka isa kayo dyan,,,,,,,makon senya nakayo sa mga niloko nyo,,,na brainwash nyo,,,,,,,sige nga,,,,tama ako no,,,,,

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« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2010, 07:16:33 AM »
sa lahat nang reader dito,,yong halata yata na merong taong anti christ ok..yong nag kikwenta na kita daw nang catholic sa binyag at sa patay aabot nang 1milyon...alam nyo ba saan pupunta ang perang yan?hindi naman sinosolo ang perang yan sa isang tao,,,pamuntayan sa gastosin nang simbahan,,mga charity...
Tungkol naman sa pamily planning alam nyo babakit totol ang simbahan sa artificial???????
Kung nag basa kayo nang bible alam nyo yon diba..............
Ganito kasi,,para sa akin nasa tao nayon kong ano gamitin nya.kasi..meron tayong freedom mamili dia,,halimbawa dami anak mo,,tapos di mo kaya buhayin paaralin so ano na,,mas naka longkot yong ganon diba,,nasa atin  lang mag desisyon,,,,,maslalo tayong magkasala kong mism ating sarili pinagbawalan pa natin.....mag isip kayo.....di yong merong edidi in na religion....at isipin nyo tamang religion,,,,,yong simula't sapol from the christ.......dami na kasi ngayon peke na relhiyon kapirahan lang,,,isipin nyo baka isa kayo dyan,,,,,,,makon senya nakayo sa mga niloko nyo,,,na brainwash nyo,,,,,,,sige nga,,,,tama ako no,,,,,


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #92 on: October 04, 2010, 08:41:50 AM »
To educate and amuse fellow readers about this topic and the various opinions of the Catholics and Protestants:
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #93 on: October 04, 2010, 08:44:06 AM »
 Sacred daw ang kada kuan..kalooy sa gipangwelik tua diay to ron nahimutang sa limbo?  :-[

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #94 on: October 04, 2010, 08:53:15 AM »
With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #95 on: October 04, 2010, 10:04:24 AM »
agree or dis-agree phrase is worthy to the dumpters and closed it for good.Whoever you are, you are just putting it here for the sake of argumentation but if you are serious about it, here is what i can tell you, your mind is so twisted that on ly small mind can do this. have a good day

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #96 on: October 04, 2010, 10:16:01 AM »
Sacred daw ang kada kuan..kalooy sa gipangwelik tua diay to ron nahimutang sa limbo?  :-[

Oi, di ba gi-decommission na ning limbo?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #97 on: October 04, 2010, 02:45:50 PM »
sa lahat nang reader dito,,yong halata yata na merong taong anti christ ok..yong nag kikwenta na kita daw nang catholic sa binyag at sa patay aabot nang 1milyon...alam nyo ba saan pupunta ang perang yan?hindi naman sinosolo ang perang yan sa isang tao,,,pamuntayan sa gastosin nang simbahan,,mga charity...
Tungkol naman sa pamily planning alam nyo babakit totol ang simbahan sa artificial???????
Kung nag basa kayo nang bible alam nyo yon diba..............
Ganito kasi,,para sa akin nasa tao nayon kong ano gamitin nya.kasi..meron tayong freedom mamili dia,,halimbawa dami anak mo,,tapos di mo kaya buhayin paaralin so ano na,,mas naka longkot yong ganon diba,,nasa atin  lang mag desisyon,,,,,maslalo tayong magkasala kong mism ating sarili pinagbawalan pa natin.....mag isip kayo.....di yong merong edidi in na religion....at isipin nyo tamang religion,,,,,yong simula't sapol from the christ.......dami na kasi ngayon peke na relhiyon kapirahan lang,,,isipin nyo baka isa kayo dyan,,,,,,,makon senya nakayo sa mga niloko nyo,,,na brainwash nyo,,,,,,,sige nga,,,,tama ako no,,,,,
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #98 on: October 04, 2010, 02:48:10 PM »
Oi, di ba gi-decommission na ning limbo?
gi wala na bitaw ni ang limbo sa catholic last year man siguro to gi announce.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #99 on: October 04, 2010, 03:13:36 PM »
Tama,ganyan nang mga tao ngayon e.nakalongkot isipin.Kaya dapat sa tamang daan ko po puedi lang..

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