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islander · « **Reply #80 on:** October 01, 2010, 10:53:12 PM »

i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

why focus much on separation and not on relationship between church and state?

"The soul of our democracy depends upon the 'iron sharpens iron' relationship between church and state." (Charles H. Darell)

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islander · « **Reply #81 on:** October 01, 2010, 11:25:51 PM »

As with all major religions, it's a numbers game.
I'm dubious that even the religious texts support their argument: relating it to the story Onan is arguably wrong, in that God was angry at him for spiting his brother rather than for refusing to procreate, i.e. the intent rather than the act was punished.

i take the story of onan as i take other stories in the old testament--- open to many layers of interpretations, symbolisms, lessons, fraught as the old testament stories are with the culture and tradition of a certain people in those times.

strangely, there are even those who take onan's story as an argument for the death penalty.

yes, it's dubious. but is this really what the catholic church is using as an argument against artificial contraception? (if so, i haven't come across it. i'd be glad to if only to find out how it's taken in context.)

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islander · « **Reply #82 on:** October 01, 2010, 11:33:46 PM »

and how come there are priests who have kids?

come on, you know the answer. it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n. tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan? abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #83 on:** October 01, 2010, 11:50:06 PM »

Correct, Isles. Just as the poster who asked that question is not impervious to sin, so are the priests. Romans 3:23 states, "For all have fallen short of the Glory of God." There is none amongst us that is free from sin.

The tone of such a comment is similar to the accusers of Mary Magdalene. Before you judge others, look at yourself. Before you point out the pin that is in your brother's eye, look at the log that is in your own eye. (paraphrasing from Luke Chapter 6, with emphasis)

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chicogon · « **Reply #84 on:** October 02, 2010, 12:16:15 AM »

come on, you know the answer. it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n. tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan? abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

Bitaw

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #85 on:** October 02, 2010, 12:20:56 AM »

come on, you know the answer. it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n. tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan? abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

I had to admit, nga tikasan koh...Kong ako gani ang gunner daghan gyud sulod sa baso

Pero k******n?

Angay ni sila PANGLUNG-GUAN ug kamot!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #86 on:** October 02, 2010, 01:29:42 PM »

Why not? Naa man gani "siguro" ka (LoL). Aw, basin pog ni sunod ni San Pedro nga duna say pamilya ug mga anak. O di gani basin sa Mahal nga Birhen.... unya iya anak end up being the Messiah. You'll never know, hehehe. But kidding aside, I don't understand what has it to do with the topic at hand. If it does, aw, that says a lot nganong di pod sila ganahan ug artificial family planning... please read in between lines

The real story is... celibacy (not being married) is a precept (mind you, not a doctrine) in the Latin Rite (meaning, Roman Catholics) for her priests. Mao ni siya atong naandan, nga ang mga pari di jud maminyo. But in the other 12 or 13 other Catholic Rites, Catholic priests have the option to stay celibate or get married. Di lang ta suheto ani kay wa or gamay raman mga Eastern Rite Catholics sa ato. But if you live in Greece, Syria, some parts of Russia, allowed man mag minyo ang mga pari.

But to answer the question "Nganong naa may mga anak ubang mga pari?" Aw, unsa paman diay... nituna bisag way langaw sa basakan."

Among priests ang tawag ani nila "kabog!!!"

Well said, Father, well said. I am sure not many of the readers out there knew of such special cases, as seen in the Eastern Catholic Rite.

Thank You for sharing with us, Father.

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Scarb · « **Reply #87 on:** October 02, 2010, 06:18:06 PM »

come on, you know the answer. it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n. tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan? abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

Kerekimouz Spartybabes..! Mao nay gi ingon nga "WLAY DASPAHAY"

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Scarb · « **Reply #88 on:** October 02, 2010, 06:21:47 PM »

Why not? Naa man gani "siguro" ka (LoL). Aw, basin pog ni sunod ni San Pedro nga duna say pamilya ug mga anak. O di gani basin sa Mahal nga Birhen.... unya iya anak end up being the Messiah. You'll never know, hehehe. But kidding aside, I don't understand what has it to do with the topic at hand. If it does, aw, that says a lot nganong di pod sila ganahan ug artificial family planning... please read in between lines

The real story is... celibacy (not being married) is a precept (mind you, not a doctrine) in the Latin Rite (meaning, Roman Catholics) for her priests. Mao ni siya atong naandan, nga ang mga pari di jud maminyo. But in the other 12 or 13 other Catholic Rites, Catholic priests have the option to stay celibate or get married. Di lang ta suheto ani kay wa or gamay raman mga Eastern Rite Catholics sa ato. But if you live in Greece, Syria, some parts of Russia, allowed man mag minyo ang mga pari.

But to answer the question "Nganong naa may mga anak ubang mga pari?" Aw, unsa paman diay... nituna bisag way langaw sa basakan."

Among priests ang tawag ani nila "kabog!!!"

Pads, nakadungog btw. ko ana nga naay option ang mga pari..wla na lang ko mo dig-up tarong ky dli man ko madre whops aw eh.
On the other side am glad nga pwede diay manintal og pari..>butangi..tua na mitipaz napod...! kabog..!

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chicogon · « **Reply #89 on:** October 03, 2010, 12:20:46 AM »

Pads, nakadungog btw. ko ana nga naay option ang mga pari..wla na lang ko mo dig-up tarong ky dli man ko madre whops aw eh.
On the other side am glad nga pwede diay manintal og pari..>butangi..tua na mitipaz napod...! kabog..!

Kung makakita kag kabog ajaw baja pintika!!! Pwede ang kwaknit ehehehe

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chriswise · « **Reply #90 on:** October 03, 2010, 04:05:11 PM »

sa lahat nang reader dito,,yong halata yata na merong taong anti christ ok..yong nag kikwenta na kita daw nang catholic sa binyag at sa patay aabot nang 1milyon...alam nyo ba saan pupunta ang perang yan?hindi naman sinosolo ang perang yan sa isang tao,,,pamuntayan sa gastosin nang simbahan,,mga charity...
Tungkol naman sa pamily planning alam nyo babakit totol ang simbahan sa artificial?

Kung nag basa kayo nang bible alam nyo yon diba..............
Ganito kasi,,para sa akin nasa tao nayon kong ano gamitin nya.kasi..meron tayong freedom mamili dia,,halimbawa dami anak mo,,tapos di mo kaya buhayin paaralin so ano na,,mas naka longkot yong ganon diba,,nasa atin lang mag desisyon,,,,,maslalo tayong magkasala kong mism ating sarili pinagbawalan pa natin.....mag isip kayo.....di yong merong edidi in na religion....at isipin nyo tamang religion,,,,,yong simula't sapol from the christ.......dami na kasi ngayon peke na relhiyon kapirahan lang,,,isipin nyo baka isa kayo dyan,,,,,,,makon senya nakayo sa mga niloko nyo,,,na brainwash nyo,,,,,,,sige nga,,,,tama ako no,,,,,

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luckybelle · « **Reply #91 on:** October 04, 2010, 07:16:33 AM »

sa lahat nang reader dito,,yong halata yata na merong taong anti christ ok..yong nag kikwenta na kita daw nang catholic sa binyag at sa patay aabot nang 1milyon...alam nyo ba saan pupunta ang perang yan?hindi naman sinosolo ang perang yan sa isang tao,,,pamuntayan sa gastosin nang simbahan,,mga charity...
Tungkol naman sa pamily planning alam nyo babakit totol ang simbahan sa artificial?

Kung nag basa kayo nang bible alam nyo yon diba..............
Ganito kasi,,para sa akin nasa tao nayon kong ano gamitin nya.kasi..meron tayong freedom mamili dia,,halimbawa dami anak mo,,tapos di mo kaya buhayin paaralin so ano na,,mas naka longkot yong ganon diba,,nasa atin lang mag desisyon,,,,,maslalo tayong magkasala kong mism ating sarili pinagbawalan pa natin.....mag isip kayo.....di yong merong edidi in na religion....at isipin nyo tamang religion,,,,,yong simula't sapol from the christ.......dami na kasi ngayon peke na relhiyon kapirahan lang,,,isipin nyo baka isa kayo dyan,,,,,,,makon senya nakayo sa mga niloko nyo,,,na brainwash nyo,,,,,,,sige nga,,,,tama ako no,,,,,

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ben · « **Reply #92 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:41:50 AM »

To educate and amuse fellow readers about this topic and the various opinions of the Catholics and Protestants:
Every Sperm is Sacred {Monty Python's Meaning of Life}

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Scarb · « **Reply #93 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:44:06 AM »

Sacred daw ang kada kuan..kalooy sa gipangwelik tua diay to ron nahimutang sa limbo?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #94 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:53:15 AM »

With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.

Welcome to the Catholic Church

We Are The Catholic Church.
With over 1 Billion in Our Family.

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ldumal · « **Reply #95 on:** October 04, 2010, 10:04:24 AM »

agree or dis-agree phrase is worthy to the dumpters and closed it for good.Whoever you are, you are just putting it here for the sake of argumentation but if you are serious about it, here is what i can tell you, your mind is so twisted that on ly small mind can do this. have a good day

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #96 on:** October 04, 2010, 10:16:01 AM »

Sacred daw ang kada kuan..kalooy sa gipangwelik tua diay to ron nahimutang sa limbo?

Oi, di ba gi-decommission na ning limbo?

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #97 on:** October 04, 2010, 02:45:50 PM »

sa lahat nang reader dito,,yong halata yata na merong taong anti christ ok..yong nag kikwenta na kita daw nang catholic sa binyag at sa patay aabot nang 1milyon...alam nyo ba saan pupunta ang perang yan?hindi naman sinosolo ang perang yan sa isang tao,,,pamuntayan sa gastosin nang simbahan,,mga charity...
Tungkol naman sa pamily planning alam nyo babakit totol ang simbahan sa artificial?

Kung nag basa kayo nang bible alam nyo yon diba..............
Ganito kasi,,para sa akin nasa tao nayon kong ano gamitin nya.kasi..meron tayong freedom mamili dia,,halimbawa dami anak mo,,tapos di mo kaya buhayin paaralin so ano na,,mas naka longkot yong ganon diba,,nasa atin lang mag desisyon,,,,,maslalo tayong magkasala kong mism ating sarili pinagbawalan pa natin.....mag isip kayo.....di yong merong edidi in na religion....at isipin nyo tamang religion,,,,,yong simula't sapol from the christ.......dami na kasi ngayon peke na relhiyon kapirahan lang,,,isipin nyo baka isa kayo dyan,,,,,,,makon senya nakayo sa mga niloko nyo,,,na brainwash nyo,,,,,,,sige nga,,,,tama ako no,,,,,

Tamang tama ka talaga.

Na confuse raman siguro ning uban nga moingon walay Ginoo pero kabalo sila naay Ginoo but sobra ra ilang kasuko sa Ginoo.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #98 on:** October 04, 2010, 02:48:10 PM »

Oi, di ba gi-decommission na ning limbo?

gi wala na bitaw ni ang limbo sa catholic last year man siguro to gi announce.

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chriswise · « **Reply #99 on:** October 04, 2010, 03:13:36 PM »

Tama,ganyan nang mga tao ngayon e.nakalongkot isipin.Kaya dapat sa tamang daan ko po puedi lang..

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vhinz08 · « **Reply #100 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:18:04 PM »

With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.

Welcome to the Catholic Church

We Are The Catholic Church.
With over 1 Billion in Our Family.

thanks for posting this vid bro.

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Scarb · « **Reply #101 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:33:39 PM »

gi wala na bitaw ni ang limbo sa catholic last year man siguro to gi announce.

Pwede pod atong e request nga ipabalik tungod ug alang sa mga sacred
nga nahintumpawak sa madagmalon nga mangwilikay..aherms..awrkÂ§

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chriswise · « **Reply #102 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:52:06 PM »

With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.

Welcome to the Catholic Church

We Are The Catholic Church.
With over 1 Billion in Our Family.

ganda nito,,diba isipin nyo...

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islander · « **Reply #103 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:07:13 PM »

Oi, di ba gi-decommission na ning limbo?

gikuhaan ug eligiblity ang limbo sa 2007.

After almost 800 years, limbo in Catholic theology is now finally buried. A three-year study by the Vaticanâ€™s Theological Commission concluded that the concept of limbo was an â€œunduly restrictive view of salvationâ€.

Pope John Paul II had encouraged the decline of the concept of limbo by excluding the term from his later catechisms. His concern for the fate of aborted fetuses was said to have compelled him to ask the commission to officially consider the question of unbaptized babies.

Pope Benedict XVI had approved the study on the abolition of the concept of limbo from Roman Catholic teaching. In approving the document, â€œThe Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptizedâ€, he has revolutionized the meaning of the word â€˜limboâ€™.

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chriswise · « **Reply #104 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:11:28 PM »

ano nga yong limbo sa english?

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bugsay · « **Reply #105 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:14:06 PM »

naghisgot man gyud mo'g LIMBO...unsa man pod ang Limbo Rock?

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islander · « **Reply #106 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:25:04 PM »

naghisgot man gyud mo'g LIMBO...unsa man pod ang Limbo Rock?

mas familiar kog limba rok.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #107 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:29:16 PM »

naghisgot man gyud mo'g LIMBO...unsa man pod ang Limbo Rock?

Goryo, ay. Kaila man gani sa kintolimbo...

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bugsay · « **Reply #108 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:31:25 PM »

mas familiar kog limba rok.

ehehhehe...ma'y pag wala nalang ko nangutana...

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Scarb · « **Reply #109 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:33:37 PM »

Goryo, ay. Kaila man gani sa kintolimbo...

unzwah pod diay na mikinto nga limbo..lambay nga limbahon?

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islander · « **Reply #110 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:34:30 PM »

ano nga yong limbo sa english?

ang limbo ay english na po.

(from the latin limbus, meaning border or edge.)

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #111 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:36:51 PM »

unzwah pod diay na mikinto nga limbo..lambay nga limbahon?

Bwahaha! Naunzwah na man ning thread sa family planning nga naabot na man sa lambay?

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Scarb · « **Reply #112 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:41:45 PM »

Bwahaha! Naunzwah na man ning thread sa family planning nga naabot na man sa lambay?

Ja ja coz i was the one who started to touch the term limbo and ended to kintolimbo w/c my pahak doesnt have the lightest "Ahnung",,!

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chriswise · « **Reply #113 on:** October 04, 2010, 09:43:23 PM »

ang limbo ay english na po.

(from the latin limbus, meaning border or edge.)

thank you.....sa info..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #114 on:** October 04, 2010, 10:24:29 PM »

thanks for posting this vid bro.

You're welcome, Vhinz.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #115 on:** October 04, 2010, 10:26:49 PM »

This Is Our Roman Catholic Church.

Welcome to the Catholic Church

We Are The Church.

We Are Catholic. We Are Family.

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chicogon · « **Reply #116 on:** October 05, 2010, 12:45:15 AM »

Pwede pod atong e request nga ipabalik tungod ug alang sa mga sacred
nga nahintumpawak sa madagmalon nga mangwilikay..aherms..awrkÂ§

Bwahehehehe... mora mag DYRD sa una, "Sir, pwedeng mo request?"

One time dihay ni dedicate unja gipang hinganlan tanang BOANG sa Tagbilaran,
"I would like to dedicate this song to Nestor Balili, Sammy Potis, Roland Capirig, etc... and most especially to you, sir!!!"

Tubag sa DJ, "LIMBONG!!!"

â—„ My one-cent sa LIMBO

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #117 on:** October 05, 2010, 12:51:35 AM »

Bwahehehehe... mora mag DYRD sa una, "Sir, pwedeng mo request?"

One time dihay ni dedicate unja gipang hinganlan tanang BOANG sa Tagbilaran,
"I would like to dedicate this song to Nestor Balili, Sammy Potis, Capirig, etc... and most especially to you, sir!!!"

Tubag sa DJ, "LIMBONG!!!"

â—„ My one-cent sa LIMBO

Pad'z, thank's for cracking me up early here @ work...bitaw, hinumdom jud ko ni Nestor Balili didto sa cainggit palamu-ot kaau iya estorya pero dilang nako ika sabwag ang details dinhi...si capirig pod, kadto iyang gi padagan sa grandstand oval tong motor nga walay hapin ang lingkuranan during a motocross races held in tagbilaran...hahaha

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chicogon · « **Reply #118 on:** October 05, 2010, 01:12:10 AM »

Pad'z, thank's for cracking me up early here @ work...bitaw, hinumdom jud ko ni Nestor Balili didto sa cainggit palamu-ot kaau iya estorya pero dilang nako ika sabwag ang details dinhi...si capirig pod, kadto iyang gi padagan sa grandstand oval tong motor nga walay hapin ang lingkuranan during a motocross races held in tagbilaran...hahaha

Bitaw mag-apil-apil man tos Nestor basta naay tapok2x sa Caingget. Kanumdom pod ko atong gipadagan ni Roland Capirig ang motor sa grandstand kay kadtong motor iyang gikawat kay kang Fr. Doming Orimaco man to bwahehehe.

Kas-a pod didto pod si Roland sa seminario nanghambog nga kusog kuno siya padagan motor kaya daw niya Tagbilaran-Loboc in 10 minutes.

Gibinuangan ni Fr. Eugene Tungol, "Aw, hinay rana 'lan..."

Tubag pod si Capirig, "Back and forth man 'der!!!" Bwahehehehe!!!

Limbong!!!

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #119 on:** October 05, 2010, 01:19:03 AM »

Pad'z, kina BIBUHAN ag grandstand adtong pag padagan ni Roland sa motor oi! Di ko kalimot aning duha ka name: Dodong tamayo HONDA ug si Neri YAMAHA...katkat pami adto sa scoreboard para maka tan-aw

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