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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #100 on: October 04, 2010, 08:18:04 PM »
With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #101 on: October 04, 2010, 08:33:39 PM »
gi wala na bitaw ni ang limbo sa catholic last year man siguro to gi announce.

Pwede pod atong e request nga ipabalik tungod ug alang sa mga sacred
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #102 on: October 04, 2010, 08:52:06 PM »
With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.
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ganda nito,,diba isipin nyo...

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #103 on: October 04, 2010, 09:07:13 PM »
Oi, di ba gi-decommission na ning limbo?

gikuhaan ug eligiblity ang limbo sa 2007.

After almost 800 years, limbo in Catholic theology is now finally buried.  A three-year study by the Vatican’s Theological Commission concluded that the concept of limbo was an “unduly restrictive view of salvation”.

Pope John Paul II had encouraged the decline of the concept of limbo by excluding the term from his later catechisms.  His concern for the fate of aborted fetuses was said to have compelled him to ask the commission to officially consider the question of unbaptized babies. 

Pope Benedict XVI had approved the study on the abolition of the concept of limbo from Roman Catholic teaching.  In approving the document, “The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized”, he has revolutionized the meaning of the word ‘limbo’.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #104 on: October 04, 2010, 09:11:28 PM »
ano nga yong limbo sa english?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2010, 09:14:06 PM »
naghisgot man gyud mo'g LIMBO...unsa man pod ang Limbo Rock?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #106 on: October 04, 2010, 09:25:04 PM »
naghisgot man gyud mo'g LIMBO...unsa man pod ang Limbo Rock?

mas familiar kog limba rok. ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #107 on: October 04, 2010, 09:29:16 PM »
naghisgot man gyud mo'g LIMBO...unsa man pod ang Limbo Rock?

Goryo, ay. Kaila man gani sa kintolimbo...  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #108 on: October 04, 2010, 09:31:25 PM »
mas familiar kog limba rok. ;D

ehehhehe...ma'y pag wala nalang ko nangutana... :(

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #109 on: October 04, 2010, 09:33:37 PM »
Goryo, ay. Kaila man gani sa kintolimbo...  ;D

unzwah pod diay na mikinto nga limbo..lambay nga limbahon?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #110 on: October 04, 2010, 09:34:30 PM »
ano nga yong limbo sa english?

ang limbo ay english na po.

(from the latin limbus, meaning border or edge.)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #111 on: October 04, 2010, 09:36:51 PM »
unzwah pod diay na mikinto nga limbo..lambay nga limbahon?

Bwahaha! Naunzwah na man ning thread sa family planning nga naabot na man sa lambay?  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #112 on: October 04, 2010, 09:41:45 PM »
Bwahaha! Naunzwah na man ning thread sa family planning nga naabot na man sa lambay?  ;D

 Ja ja  coz i was the one who started to touch the term limbo and ended to kintolimbo w/c my pahak doesnt have the lightest "Ahnung",,!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #113 on: October 04, 2010, 09:43:23 PM »
ang limbo ay english na po.

(from the latin limbus, meaning border or edge.)


thank you.....sa info..

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #114 on: October 04, 2010, 10:24:29 PM »
thanks for posting this vid bro.



You're welcome, Vhinz. :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #115 on: October 04, 2010, 10:26:49 PM »
This Is Our Roman Catholic Church.

Welcome to the Catholic Church

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We Are Catholic. We Are Family.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #116 on: October 05, 2010, 12:45:15 AM »
Pwede pod atong e request nga ipabalik tungod ug alang sa mga sacred
  nga nahintumpawak sa madagmalon nga mangwilikay..aherms..awrk§  :-X

Bwahehehehe... mora mag DYRD sa una, "Sir, pwedeng mo request?"

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"I would like to dedicate this song to Nestor Balili, Sammy Potis, Roland Capirig, etc... and most especially to you, sir!!!"  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #117 on: October 05, 2010, 12:51:35 AM »
Bwahehehehe... mora mag DYRD sa una, "Sir, pwedeng mo request?"

One time dihay ni dedicate unja gipang hinganlan tanang BOANG sa Tagbilaran,
"I would like to dedicate this song to Nestor Balili, Sammy Potis, Capirig, etc... and most especially to you, sir!!!"  ;D

Tubag sa DJ, "LIMBONG!!!"   ;D ;D  â—„ My one-cent sa LIMBO



 Pad'z, thank's for cracking me up early here @ work...bitaw, hinumdom jud ko ni Nestor Balili didto sa cainggit palamu-ot kaau iya estorya pero dilang nako ika sabwag ang details dinhi...si capirig pod, kadto iyang gi padagan sa grandstand oval tong motor nga walay hapin ang lingkuranan during a motocross races held in tagbilaran...hahaha

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #118 on: October 05, 2010, 01:12:10 AM »
Pad'z, thank's for cracking me up early here @ work...bitaw, hinumdom jud ko ni Nestor Balili didto sa cainggit palamu-ot kaau iya estorya pero dilang nako ika sabwag ang details dinhi...si capirig pod, kadto iyang gi padagan sa grandstand oval tong motor nga walay hapin ang lingkuranan during a motocross races held in tagbilaran...hahaha

Bitaw mag-apil-apil man tos Nestor basta naay tapok2x sa Caingget. Kanumdom pod ko atong gipadagan ni Roland Capirig ang motor sa grandstand kay kadtong motor iyang gikawat kay kang Fr. Doming Orimaco man to bwahehehe.

Kas-a pod didto pod si Roland sa seminario nanghambog nga kusog kuno siya padagan motor kaya daw niya Tagbilaran-Loboc in 10 minutes.

Gibinuangan ni Fr. Eugene Tungol, "Aw, hinay rana 'lan..."

Tubag pod si Capirig, "Back and forth man 'der!!!" Bwahehehehe!!!  ;D

Limbong!!!  ;D ;D


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #119 on: October 05, 2010, 01:19:03 AM »
 Pad'z, kina BIBUHAN ag grandstand adtong pag padagan ni Roland sa motor oi! Di ko kalimot aning duha ka name: Dodong tamayo HONDA ug si Neri YAMAHA...katkat pami adto sa scoreboard para maka tan-aw :D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2010, 01:37:48 AM »
Bitaw mag-apil-apil man tos Nestor basta naay tapok2x sa Caingget. Kanumdom pod ko atong gipadagan ni Roland Capirig ang motor sa grandstand kay kadtong motor iyang gikawat kay kang Fr. Doming Orimaco man to bwahehehe.

Kas-a pod didto pod si Roland sa seminario nanghambog nga kusog kuno siya padagan motor kaya daw niya Tagbilaran-Loboc in 10 minutes.

Gibinuangan ni Fr. Eugene Tungol, "Aw, hinay rana 'lan..."

Tubag pod si Capirig, "Back and forth man 'der!!!" Bwahehehehe!!!  ;D

Limbong!!!  ;D ;D


 

bwahahahahahahahahahaha....

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2010, 01:51:53 AM »
Glacier salamat kay ingbalik na ka. Dis a man ka gikan oi dugaya man ka nawaa? sa kintolimbo dagway ka nag stambay sa?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2010, 03:00:29 AM »
I say cut the mans nuts...not the woman's tubes or uterus out as this way he is less likely to fool around....and this way she still keeps her organs that produce her balance of hormones. Vasectomy only takes a snip here and a snip there and a tuck and sew....and about 15 minutes and voila!!! ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2010, 03:39:35 AM »
Natural Family planning does not help in the growing problem of population explotion. Whats the big fuzz about the RH bill? does it talk about abortion as a family planning method?  Why is the catholic church againts RH bill?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2010, 03:45:11 AM »
Natural Family Planning has come a long a way (panahon pa ni mampor ni!!!). Not only does it meet the church's moral standard (its catholic church moral standard it doesn't speak for the entire christian church) for spacing births, it keeps a marriage going.. - this line is completely irrelevant. Kay ngano ug mogamit ta ug artificial method it will not keep the marriage going?





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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #125 on: October 07, 2010, 05:49:49 PM »
bwahahahahahahahahahaha....

Mitungä raman kag kalit unja nawala dayon? Mora gali nasipyat niy ai nyahahaha

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #126 on: October 07, 2010, 05:58:40 PM »
Mitungä raman kag kalit unja nawala dayon? Mora gali nasipyat niy ai nyahahaha

Bwahaha! Nasipyat nga dili ang bag-ong takoban ang gigamit? Hmm... Kinsa kaha diay...  ???

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #127 on: October 07, 2010, 06:07:49 PM »
Bwahaha! Nasipyat nga dili ang bag-ong takoban ang gigamit? Hmm... Kinsa kaha diay...  ???

Nalipat sa kabhang?  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #128 on: October 07, 2010, 06:10:06 PM »
The question is....Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?

No, the Philippine Catholic Church is not against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is promoting the Natural Family Planning. I said no because I am one of the lecturers about Natural Family Planning in our Parish.

Actually, not only the Catholic Church is against the artificial family planning but all other Christian Communities.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #129 on: October 07, 2010, 07:44:21 PM »
mas familiar kog limba rok. ;D

Sama ka-familiar nimo sa a tay, bi kog ug kole ra?  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #130 on: October 07, 2010, 07:56:51 PM »
Sama ka-familiar nimo sa atay, bikog ug kolera?  ;D


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #132 on: October 21, 2010, 02:42:49 AM »
ataya, b**** nanagan kay nakitang walay hapin. gidrawingan ug medyas b**** namalik.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #133 on: October 21, 2010, 04:57:53 AM »
Bwahahaha!!! Saonz na lang....  ;D Very smart baya pod na commercial hehehehe

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« Reply #134 on: October 21, 2010, 05:34:46 AM »
kauban na nga video sa RHBill campaign  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #135 on: October 21, 2010, 05:51:36 AM »
kauban na nga video sa RHBill campaign  :-X

Unsa nang RH Bill? Rural Health Bill? Ahihihihi  ;D


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« Reply #136 on: October 21, 2010, 07:42:01 AM »
Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Say there is a married couple who want to space births or avoid having another child for health reasons.  What would be sinful about using artificial methods to do this?  We use artificial medical technology daily to improve the quality of our lives in other areas, why not in this? 

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« Reply #137 on: October 21, 2010, 10:03:41 PM »
Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Say there is a married couple who want to space births or avoid having another child for health reasons.  What would be sinful about using artificial methods to do this?  We use artificial medical technology daily to improve the quality of our lives in other areas, why not in this? 

i hope dina jala will visit tb and answer mr ben's thoughtful question.  as a trained parish lecturer on natural family planning, she may know the proper answer to this question, especially as regards the "sinfulness", if at all, of using artificial methods.  and it would also be interesting to have fr. chic's and lorenzo's thoughts on this, too. 

as for the use of artificial medical technology in other areas, my own take is that it is because this is used to support life, not to obstruct or prohibit it.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2010, 05:35:26 AM »
I wish I knew the answer to this issue. When I was a student of moral theology 25 plus years ago we tackled questions similar to what Ben raised on this thread and I can tell you the stand of both the teaching Magisterium (official teaching of the Catholic Church) as well as those who oppose or question it's applicability (even from the ranks of Catholic bishops, e.g. Canadian Bishops' Conference, and/or of some Catholic theologians). But key to understanding the Church's stand on this issue is the word "natural." As long as it is natural... the Church doesn't have any problem with it. I just hope somebody can appease the curiosity/query of those who seek "sincere" enlightenment per this issue surrounding Natural Family Planning.

Here's a little link for those interested to read more..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_family_planning

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2010, 02:05:17 AM »
I disagree because we don't have really a ground about this unless they said so, however,  I don't fully understand why church must against about family planning. We ought to know that we are one of the most populated country and we are in the list of the poorest country ( not on the top though, luckily). We should atleast look at the street children that we can see around wandering in the streets most especially in Manila is too alarming for us, Filipinos. It hurts me seeing those children begging and stealing just to survive. The question must be, why doesn't the church help those poor people. Of course, they do but not enough though. As for me family planning is good to conrol the population. From the word family planning is so obvious that it doesn't involve killing life. This does mean to plan and need to control the number of children by using the contraceptives. Does this mean abortion? Well, abortion must be NO NO NO but family planning...ohhh pleaseeeeee. Let's wake up!!!! Or let's weak up? Although the fact that it is not very open to the public conversation, I'm 100 percent sure that many among of us are using those contraceptives. I can give you example. Ive got brother and sister and they both have children of 4 and 5 and they are struggling every now and then to supply the needs of their children just the basic needs, just immagine. I really feel sorry to see these children and if it is a sin to tell them to use contraceptives then I condemn myself. I just  pray that God will forgive me because I can't just bear to see these children who needs a better life.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2010, 06:05:22 AM »
Morality aside, lami unta kung makapugong pa lang unta tas atong "uwag" (hahaha coined as man's most difficult passion) kay mao jud nay sinugdanan aning isyuha. Kung dunay moingon nga "how about self control?" moingon man pod kasagaran, "soloha!" or "sayon ras istorya." Easier said than done, 'ika nga. Basta lagi mag-istorya nag lami (Check the Cebuano dictionary, it defines sex as "lami nga di ika pangagda, bwahaha ;D ;D ;D Saonz na lang)... "all rules collapse!!!" ;D Kalimtan tanan, in other words.

Sa tinuod, mao man jod nay pinakasayon ug pinaka safe para ma control ang over-population ug STDs sa kalibutan... fast and abstinence. And you can only ask yourself the big question, "Ikaw, sugot ka?" Of course not!!!

And so people try to find another loophole or something/someone to point finger to (i.e., to blame). Siempre, it's the easiest way to do, esp. pointing finger to an institution (Church) teaching something that doesn't agree with our "free-willing" ways. Hayahaya mag mo point finger tas atong kaugalingon  ;D. Ug siempre, mo pabor jud tas mga niuyon sa atong "point of view" and the government or our secular usually runs in our favor... so moboto jud tas ilang stand.

Well, kung dili mo Christiano o wa magsunod sa tudlo ni Kristo... yes, there are many other options available/for the taking... and you can follow it to your heart's desire. Wa jod nuoy magbuot.

But if we claim to be Christians (let me say it in Bisaya kay mas bug-at paminawon "kung nag patoo-too ta nga mga Kristiano") following a certain teaching (that of Christ, and His Church) aw, sakit jud tinuod sundon... apan kini nagsunod man god ug pamaagi or prinsipyo nga naka base sa "NATURAL LAW." Or shall we say, natural order of things. It's not a matter of right or wrong... it's not a teaching based sa point of view sa uban. It's HOW this particular religion sees what it right or moral. So anything, done to "mess up" or however you call it (interfere ba o unsa) with the natural order (that makes it unnatural or artificial, e.g. artificial contraceptives, artificial machines to prolong life, abortion, etc)... aw, mao poy iyang nakita or gihimong pagtulun-an sa iyang moral teaching as disorder, unnatural, immoral or even sinful. Dili man pod sakto mohatag kag pagtulun-an (teachings) that goes against the principles that you adhere to - tungod lang kay magpauyon kas imong mga masupilong sumusunod hehehe. Then I wouldn't want that kind of religion (kay dili firm or balimbing or depende sa dagan sa hangin, bwahaha). Ma mora napod nig politics nga mapalit hehehehe.  ;D

Ergo, the Church teaches what it is supposed to teach...

Whether nasunod nas iyang mga sumusunod or not... that's where the issue is.

So, ayaw na lang pag handum nga mausob pa ang pagtulun-an sa Simbahan or not. Morag di jud na moabot. I guess, there could only be one truth and that's what the Church sees as truth... and so mao sab na ang iyang ipanudlo, and nothing else.  :D

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« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2010, 06:25:32 AM »
Saludo..! but plz. allow me to say; bikog..Kabog hee³ (jaga² rah)  ;D

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« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2010, 06:38:33 AM »
Saludo..! but plz. allow me to say; bikog..Kabog hee³ (jaga² rah)  ;D

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« Reply #143 on: October 30, 2010, 08:21:28 AM »
I will give my view on the matter as soon as I fully discern completely what I have to say.

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« Reply #144 on: November 03, 2010, 08:59:01 AM »
i think it all boils down to this fear of the church: family planning = decline of overpopulation. less people = less believers. less believers = less contribution of the people for the church.

*contribution can either be financial or faith

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #145 on: November 03, 2010, 10:14:40 AM »
any second or spilt of the second after the fertilization occur in a womans womb. it's a mortal sin to stop the fertilization it's definitely an abortion! beware and be aware!

use condom! it's safe and still you can enjoy sex! all in all it's in your mind. meyn! 

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« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2010, 01:19:24 PM »
i think it all boils down to this fear of the church: family planning = decline of overpopulation. less people = less believers. less believers = less contribution of the people for the church.

*contribution can either be financial or faith

OMG! Whew! whatta fertile mind you possess dudes!

LOR, thanks! my regards.....

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #148 on: November 09, 2010, 03:06:14 AM »
I was watching iba-balita of studio 23 last night and their topic was about RH bill where their guest was bishop Bishop Deogracias S. Iñiguez who is the Chairman of the Permanent Committee on Public Affairs (PCPA) of CBCP. According to Bishop Iñiguez, the church is against the RH Bill simply because it's not within the church teachings. According to Manila Archbishop Julio Cardinal Rosales that those people who are supporting the RH bill are morally lost.



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« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2010, 08:38:01 AM »

kining storyaha murag hubag sa lubot, nga wa matambawi og tarong, kay usahay mobalik, usahay nawa pod.  ;D

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« Reply #151 on: December 03, 2010, 08:41:26 AM »
OMG! Whew! whatta fertile mind you possess dudes!

LOR, thanks! my regards.....

Buwad, Regards too! Oy Advanced Merry Christmas!

kining storyaha murag hubag sa lubot, nga wa matambawi og tarong, kay usahay mobalik, usahay nawa pod.  ;D

In cases like this, it is best to aspirate. :P

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« Reply #152 on: December 03, 2010, 02:15:39 PM »
hahaaha! the thing is with or without the RH bill people are doing birth control thru contraceptives. you'l not be thrown to prison if you buy a comdom! whatta heck?

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« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2010, 01:19:45 AM »
hahaaha! the thing is with or without the RH bill people are doing birth control thru contraceptives. you'l not be thrown to prison if you buy a comdom! whatta heck?

abi kog ang mangawat og komdom sa tindahan maoy ma-priso, wad, ang mopalit na diay hinoon. hehehehe

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« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2010, 01:21:24 AM »
In cases like this, it is best to aspirate. :P

 ;D ;D ;D...can they do it by mouth? ewwwweee

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« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2010, 01:36:16 AM »
;D ;D ;D...can they do it by mouth? ewwwweee

churvah whahaha³

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« Reply #156 on: December 08, 2010, 01:39:26 AM »
churvah whahaha³

Hey Glace...nawla si HB unja mitunga dajon ka...(verdächtig)  :-X


he probably needed to lay low. knowing i came back, he did like what John the Baptist did to Jesus, "he must decrease and i must increase." hahahaha

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« Reply #157 on: December 08, 2010, 01:51:40 AM »

he probably needed to lay low. knowing i came back, he did like what John the Baptist did to Jesus, "he must decrease and i must increase." hahahaha

might be d' reason why oh why but still its "verdächtig" ~ e-google na nga word (silot)..whoaa

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« Reply #158 on: December 08, 2010, 02:31:25 AM »
might be d' reason why oh why but still its "verdächtig" ~ e-google na nga word (silot)..whoaa

P.S: i allow myself to give U a little bit "silot" (w/out ur permission of course) ky gibitin mi nimo kon nakatampo na ba ka ni Netla..,
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hahahaha wa koy mahimo ana og mag-verdächtig ka. ug bahin ni Nethla ako nang tiwason...ako pa lang gihimas-himas ang bawjot sa akong kagahapon aron mabati pa nako ang milabayng mga kasinatian, una pa nako kini ipasundayag sa bilahan sa tb.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2010, 03:41:03 PM »
di na kailangan yong BILL nayan,,kailangan yong paano ma educate yong mga tao,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,daming batas batin karamihan di alam,,,,,,anong silbe,,,??

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #160 on: December 13, 2010, 10:37:57 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?


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« Reply #161 on: December 13, 2010, 10:43:23 AM »
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

There are hundreds of parishes in the Philippines, and the cost of running these parishes, sacramental rites, distribution of food and aid, is all contributed by members of the church. This is same for any and all churches: Aglipaya, Iglesia Ni Christo, etc etc.

In the United States, the large evangelical churches that are common in the South (which can seat up to 20,000 - 30,000) members all pay a fee to enter, then also tithe. The capital here is used to maintain the Congregation in order to spread the Word of God.

The same applies to the Catholic Parishes in the Philippines.



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« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2010, 10:46:04 AM »
I attended a large Pentecostal Church (i was invited by a friend, so i attended) one time. They rented a stadium to seat the members; there were also about 5,000-10,000 that attended worship. To enter the stadium, I had to pay $5.00. So each weekend, that church raked up about $25,000- $50,000 based on entrance fees (not including tithes).



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« Reply #163 on: December 13, 2010, 11:21:25 AM »
I attended a large Pentecostal Church (i was invited by a friend, so i attended) one time. They rented a stadium to seat the members; there were also about 5,000-10,000 that attended worship. To enter the stadium, I had to pay $5.00. So each weekend, that church raked up about $25,000- $50,000 based on entrance fees (not including tithes).


Religion is a good business..

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« Reply #164 on: December 14, 2010, 10:17:36 AM »
Religion is a good business..

Religion is a business or not. It still be the same, God Almighty created us here in this planet so we may lead our life as teached in the holy books or the bible, as life experience, inorder for us to be in His kingdom....satan is here muddling this issue so he will lead us astray from the path God wants us to travel towards the gates of His kingdom living in everlasting life....blockbuster movies nowadays are glorifying devil or sorcerers or vampires.... lets be aware of this fact...and it seem considerable numbers of humanity are falling into satans trap....but we konw God is here, always showing us signs that He exist since the beginning of time and care for us. Virgin Mary is appearing to mankind as a witness of a living God's existence....if you live your life in God's way, He will led you away from troubles. Thats for sure it's there try to understand or discern it in you everyday life. "Praise God to the Highest and in the name of Jesus Christ"

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« Reply #165 on: December 15, 2010, 02:52:52 AM »
Religion is a business or not. It still be the same, God Almighty created us here in this planet so we may lead our life as teached in the holy books or the bible, as life experience, inorder for us to be in His kingdom....satan is here muddling this issue so he will lead us astray from the path God wants us to travel towards the gates of His kingdom living in everlasting life....blockbuster movies nowadays are glorifying devil or sorcerers or vampires.... lets be aware of this fact...and it seem considerable numbers of humanity are falling into satans trap....but we konw God is here, always showing us signs that He exist since the beginning of time and care for us. Virgin Mary is appearing to mankind as a witness of a living God's existence....if you live your life in God's way, He will led you away from troubles. Thats for sure it's there try to understand or discern it in you everyday life. "Praise God to the Highest and in the name of Jesus Christ"

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« Reply #166 on: January 13, 2011, 10:45:10 AM »
Religion is a good business..

Needless to say, some ways of making money are better than others...

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« Reply #167 on: January 15, 2011, 11:35:39 PM »
Needless to say, some ways of making money are better than others...

yeah, like those big pharmaceuticals supplying the contraceptives after lobbying with our legislators.

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« Reply #168 on: January 16, 2011, 10:12:12 AM »
yeah, like those big pharmaceuticals supplying the contraceptives after lobbying with our legislators.

Hmm, comparatively small time...  :-X

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« Reply #169 on: January 17, 2011, 10:32:33 PM »
oh ten dog
why U are barking
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« Reply #170 on: January 18, 2011, 10:03:26 PM »
must be a cat pretending to be a dog.

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« Reply #171 on: January 18, 2011, 10:34:21 PM »
must be a cat pretending to be a dog.

Hmm. if a dog barking the wrong bark is actually a cat, can a cat meowing the wrong meow be actually a frog?  ???

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« Reply #172 on: January 19, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »
 Say it again Imelda?! >:(

Ilocos Norte Rep. Imelda Marcos arrived at the wake at around noon Tuesday.

Lozano hurriedly rose from his seat and greeted the widow of the strongman Ferdinand Marcos.

“This is such a painful situation and as a mother, I feel their pain,” the former first lady told reporters.

She blamed poverty as the cause of the brutality of Emerson Lozano’s killing: “This is the result. Because of poverty, people are forced to resort to such things. We have no right to take life, so we must work together to end poverty.”


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« Reply #173 on: January 19, 2011, 08:37:29 AM »
Hmm. Morag ang iyang padungog-dungog mao nga wa molampos ang ilang halangdong katuyoan "to end poverty" kay gipalayas man sila sa 1986...  :P

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« Reply #174 on: January 19, 2011, 01:52:10 PM »
with all her family's wealth and how it was sourced, she can still afford to talk about poverty? :o

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« Reply #175 on: January 19, 2011, 02:57:39 PM »
with all her family's wealth and how it was sourced, she can still afford to talk about poverty? :o

I guess the same could be said of the Catholic church!

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« Reply #176 on: January 19, 2011, 11:10:21 PM »
I guess the same could be said of the Catholic church!

the catholic was never in the news for stealing nor was it ever called kleptocratic.

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« Reply #177 on: January 19, 2011, 11:24:37 PM »
the catholic was never in the news for stealing.

You mean never? Are you sure?
nor was it ever called kleptocratic.

Im not surprised with a word like that!!  Thats a word that could open a whole can of worms!!...Had to look it up myself!!

By the way..I believe in God..Its just some of the men and women that run his church that I have my doubts about..

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« Reply #178 on: January 19, 2011, 11:53:03 PM »
You mean never? Are you sure?


as sure as i'm sitting here.  we're talking about "news" vis-a-vis "stealing".  i never came across a news item in this regard, much less read or heard about a courtroom case of theft against the catholic church.  or any other church of whatever denomination for that matter.

on the other hand, the bruited plunder of our country by the marcoses blazed as world headlines in 1986.

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« Reply #179 on: January 19, 2011, 11:55:00 PM »
Im not surprised with a word like that!!  Thats a word that could open a whole can of worms!!...Had to look it up myself!!


you mean, you know the can is full of worms, yet you had to open it to see if they were really worms?

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« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2011, 12:00:01 AM »
i did a little research for you, zef.

Kleptocracy, alternatively cleptocracy or kleptarchy, from Ancient Greek: κλέπτης (thief) and κράτος (rule), is a term applied to a government subject to control fraud that takes advantage of governmental corruption to extend the personal wealth and political power of government officials and the ruling class (collectively, kleptocrats), via the embezzlement of state funds at the expense of the wider population, sometimes without even the pretense of honest service. The term means "rule by thieves". Not an "official" form of government (such as democracy, republic, monarchy, theocracy) the term is a pejorative for governments perceived to have a particularly severe and systemic problem with the selfish misappropriation of public funds by those in power. (from Wiki)

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« Reply #181 on: January 20, 2011, 12:06:38 AM »
Transparency International ranking of alleged kleptocrats:

In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in recent years.

In order of amount allegedly stolen (in USD), they are:

 1. Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
 2. Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion)
 3. Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
 4. Former Nigerian President Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
 5. Former Yugoslav President Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević ($1 billion)
 6. Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
 7. Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
 8. Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
 9. Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10. Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)

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cheer up!  we have two entries in this top ten list.

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« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2011, 04:03:27 AM »
Transparency International ranking of alleged kleptocrats:

In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in recent years.

In order of amount allegedly stolen (in USD), they are:

 1. Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
 2. Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion)
 3. Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
 4. Former Nigerian President Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
 5. Former Yugoslav President Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević ($1 billion)
 6. Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
 7. Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
 8. Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
 9. Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10. Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)

                                                            -also from wiki

cheer up!  we have two entries in this top ten list.

 I wish, naa unta pod ani si GOYANG! ;)

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« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2011, 09:23:49 AM »
Islander..
I have a deep respect for believers in any faith that are genuine and have good hearts..As I said,I believe in God but do have many issues with some of the men and women that preach to us in his name..(certainly not all)

One of my best friends and his sister were left in the temporary care of the Catholic church. He was 7 years old.
They were both abducted along with hundreds of other children and sent to different parts of the world (usually ,Asia,Africa and Australia)and used as cheap labour to build local churches etc....
My friend and his sister were separated and sent to different parts of Australia. He never saw his sister again.
He was systematically abused by the priest and some of the older boys for many years.
Of course,this was not a "news story" until many years later which of course was strenuously denied by the Vatican!!
How they managed to cover it up for so long is pretty scary when you think about it.
When the evidence and testimonials were heard,the Catholic church`s position after much deliberation and many more years suddenly collapsed and the surviving kids finally received an apology and given $10.000 compensation each.
Kleptocracy is truly a great word..Put simply a very descriptive word that quickly illustrates the situation in most predominantly Catholic countries IMO..
I for one really wish I could see far more effort in giving practical help to the poor instead of just receiving their heart felt donations.

The only preacher that I tend to listen to and trust these days is Eli Sorriano.

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« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2011, 09:36:16 AM »
I wish, naa unta pod ani si GOYANG! ;)

maybe goyang's was just small time, not enough to make it to the top ten?  or it is still in the process of being uncovered by these researchers?  ;)

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« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2011, 10:03:42 AM »
Islander..
I have a deep respect for believers in any faith that are genuine and have good hearts..As I said,I believe in God but do have many issues with some of the men and women that preach to us in his name..(certainly not all)

One of my best friends and his sister were left in the temporary care of the Catholic church. He was 7 years old.
They were both abducted along with hundreds of other children and sent to different parts of the world (usually ,Asia,Africa and Australia)and used as cheap labour to build local churches etc....
My friend and his sister were separated and sent to different parts of Australia. He never saw his sister again.
He was systematically abused by the priest and some of the older boys for many years.

zeffa,

and i respect your respect for such believers.  too bad about your issues, especially that they came too close to home for comfort as the tragedy happened to that best friend of yours. 

different issues, as we may all know, are stranger than fiction.  we must not lose sight of the fact though that the church, catholic or not, are peopled by humans with their own frailties.  we cannot blame the church for what its human members do or not do.   

we must not also lose sight of the fact that it is foolhardy to scalp a whole clan just because one cousin has lice teeming on her head, or to throw a whole basket of tomatoes because one tomato is rotten.

the church, our faith, stands; its people come and go. 

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« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2011, 10:18:18 AM »
the church, our faith, stands; its people come and go. 

As in, "the pond remains; its frogs come and go?"

Respite!

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« Reply #187 on: January 20, 2011, 10:21:16 AM »
Of course,this was not a "news story" until many years later which of course was strenuously denied  by the Vatican!!
How they managed to cover it up for so long is pretty scary when you think about it.
When the evidence and testimonials were heard,the Catholic church`s position after much deliberation and many more years suddenly collapsed and the surviving kids finally received an apology and given $10.000 compensation each.

there's a difference between "strenuously denied" and "keeping quiet".  the former is to be confronted with real evidence and to continue to insist, by officially announcing, that no such things happened.  the latter is not to say anything and to discretely wait as to how such accusations will pan out, with foolproof evidence and all.  even hardened criminals and repeat offenders deserve their day in court, right?

the quiet part is understandable.  even families who have an accused criminal from among them would never shout 'hallelujah' out to the world.  so would organizations.  so why not the church?  what we don't know is that the church may have made its own quiet investigations into those accusations, searching for proofs.  after which, as you say, the church made reparations. 

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #188 on: January 20, 2011, 10:24:09 AM »
As in, "the pond remains; its frogs come and go?"

Respite!

 ;D

maybe no, not in that sense.  the pond may dry up and the frogs can go elsewhere, though they may come back when the rains come. ;D

repent!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #189 on: January 20, 2011, 10:29:12 AM »
maybe no, not in that sense.  the pond may dry up and the frogs can go elsewhere, though they may come back when the rains come. ;D

repent!

Ah, before the rains come, maybe I should fix my roof and while I'm at it, I guess I should also repent my sin?  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2011, 10:37:50 AM »
Kleptocracy is truly a great word..Put simply a very descriptive word that quickly illustrates the situation in most predominantly Catholic countries IMO..

ahh, here's pairing a rotten apple with a rotten tomato and calling the partnership a santol. 

what the study of the top ten kleptocrats concluded was that most of them are from countries that have undergone colonization.  colonization was blamed, not religion.  note that the number one on the list has the world's biggest muslim population. 

as for predominantly catholic countries, if i go by your claim, note too that france, poland and ireland, among others, are not on the list.  these are countries whose catholics are of a bigger percentage to their population compared to ours. 

greed has nothing to do with religion.  for as long as man is overcome by greed, he will always get what he doesn't deserve.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2011, 10:41:08 AM »
Ah, before the rains come, maybe I should fix my roof and while I'm at it, I guess I should also repent my sin?  ;D

while you're at it, why not include my roof as well?  i saw a small frog in the kitchen last night despite the absence of a pond on the kitchen floor.

repent your sin and glorify your nipa?  (shades of aquarius in some other thread.) ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2011, 10:42:25 AM »
well said, isles. to add to your powerful point(s):

Germany (Europe's economic machine) has a large christian popululation; the majority of German Christians belong to the Roman Catholic Church.

Would it be fair to claim Germany as incredibly corrupt? hmm...

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is German. :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2011, 11:33:37 AM »
They are not on the list because Religion is dying in Europe and the Churches influence on Government is probably non existent these days..
This is bared out by average Euro Church attendances..France for example has an attendance of only 16%!! The UK and Spain only 25% compared to around 70% in the Philippines.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2011, 11:43:17 AM »
to continue, after the unexpected stoppage of electric power here... ;D

I for one really wish I could see far more effort in giving practical help to the poor instead of just receiving their heart felt donations.

i would take it, then, that you have been doing this and you wish others to do the same.

The only preacher that I tend to listen to and trust these days is Eli Sorriano.

sorry, but i haven't heard the name.  does he come from a country with a predominantly catholic population and a history of kleptocracy?

as for me, i never believed in preachers who spout hatred against other forms of worship, declaring along the way that theirs is the one, true kind.  even the devil can quote the bible.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #195 on: January 20, 2011, 11:52:23 AM »
i would take it, then, that you have been doing this and you wish others to do the same.
I think it would be inappropriate and ungodly to divulge that type of info..I hope that you agree.

sorry, but i haven't heard the name.  does he come from a country with a predominantly catholic population and a history of kleptocracy?

Yes,he is Filipino and is regularly on local TV channels..Everyday I think.

as for me, i never believed in preachers who spout hatred against other forms of worship, declaring along the way that theirs is the one, true kind.  even the devil can quote the bible.

I agree 100% !!



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #196 on: January 20, 2011, 11:55:39 AM »
They are not on the list because Religion is dying in Europe and the Churches influence on Government is probably non existent these days..
This is bared out by average Euro Church attendances..France for example has an attendance of only 16%!! The UK and Spain only 25% compared to around 70% in the Philippines.


this is now beginning to defy logic... are you saying then that when religion is 'dying' kleptocracy dies along with it?  such seems to be the trend of thought that you are conveying.

as for those percentages, yes, church attendance may be dwindling in europe (and in other western  countries, though how the percentages were arrived at aside from being mere estimates is something else.  i still have to go to a church that checks attendance; i haven't gone to an iglesia ni cristo church that does) but church attendance or lack of it has nothing to do with one's personal relationship with his god and the form of worship that he takes.  neither has it got anything to do with kleptocracy.

now, if we bother to go by your logic, what, by the way, is the percentage of church attendance in muslim indonesia that's on top of the list of kleptocracy?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #197 on: January 20, 2011, 12:05:40 PM »
I think it would be inappropriate and ungodly to divulge that type of info..I hope that you agree.

i don't agree, sorry.  charity is far from inappropriate and ungodly.

Yes,he is Filipino and is regularly on local channels..Everyday I think.

ahh, another media savvy preacher.  i hope he is telegenic.  i hope too that the tithe that his followers charitably donate to his cause would keep on coming so he could continue to buy airtime.

I agree 100% !!

thus do i hope that your seeming anti-catholic view is solely your own and your favorite preacher has nothing to do with it.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #198 on: January 20, 2011, 12:07:07 PM »
well said, isles. to add to your powerful point(s):

Germany (Europe's economic machine) has a large christian popululation; the majority of German Christians belong to the Roman Catholic Church.

Would it be fair to claim Germany as incredibly corrupt? hmm...

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is German. :)

and i love the way germans celebrate mass.  it's so solemn.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #199 on: January 20, 2011, 12:21:52 PM »

Ha ha!! Now you have me thinking...That I like!!
Ive never really contemplated this subject in great depth but am willing to form an opinion based on this conversation!! (Although I cant stay too long..Lots to do today)

are you saying then that when religion is 'dying' kleptocracy dies along with it?

Of course!! How could it survive otherwise?
Seems to me,it requires countries with high poverty levels to survive(A bit like the Church) so I was wrong when I said "predominantly Catholic countries",sorry about that!...
The R.P has a 70% church attendance right? Now thats a huge mandate of support by the people which no Government could ignore(or ignore at their peril).. How much political power and influence that represents in real terms is anyone's guess..

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