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« on: August 27, 2007, 01:25:15 AM »

Some argue that outsourcing jobs exploits the low paid workers...a contrary view, there are more people being employed and benefited from paid work...

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 01:52:32 AM »
yes....Germany is hiring high qualified Engrs.from India (sayang dili mga Pilipinos - this is what our gov't failed to get contract) for

temporary terms and they are paid according to their qualifications and rank. German establishments profited for this foriegn know how.

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 02:06:42 AM »


Filipinos lack in marketing... we have plenty of qualified, technical and competent professionals.

We are a good source for outsourcing business, the thing is, there is no mutual, good working relationship with our government and business entities.

Marketing our manpower resources could be part of a marketing job of our foreign service men in their exhibitions, state visits.... etc. that is what we are missing.

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 02:17:31 AM »
I know that we have those high intellectuals but instead that our government concentrating for Philippine progress in this connection, the political sector is
more on how our country ends-up to bankruptcy.  Just imagine, we were one of those top in economics b4 and where we are now?  So, you belongs to the
young active-intillegent generation - what you can do to evade the continuation of this problem?

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 02:25:22 AM »


We need to have that nationalistic value " patriotism".  When you love your country, everything will follow...

At the rate we're going... majority doesn't care... however, there are still few... and we are among them.  Let us start preaching and multiplying this belief...

Keep on believing, keep doing,  don't surrender....

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 02:47:42 AM »
Everyone of us is patriotic..... as u said if you love ur country - all will follow... this is what our government program continually doing but not
in a positive way to progress which leads our country to be one among of those in World business competitions.  Sayang ba

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 02:49:32 AM »


Our patriotism is half baked.... not genuine... we lived in a double standard society... people say that they are patriotic, only in word and not in deeds....

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 03:07:47 AM »
That's the truth....

One thing we must have also to think that .... how can our own country be successful if all those intellectuals are out and nobody dares to
entertain any actual problems whatever it is?  What we really need is the continuation of the "Peoples Power" but said action went to wrong directions.
Normally, it was a good start but as usual, a courageuos leader failed. And that is what in deed our country needs for...... and then  it is not yet late
for a better Philippines where the young generations can proudly shout..... I am a real Pinoy patriot not an idiot!

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 03:15:24 AM »
Our patriotism is half baked.... not genuine... we lived in a double standard society... people say that they are patriotic, only in word and not in deeds....

right, i have read a thread relating to this. MB started the thread entitled love your own country, but i cannot find it. i have to find the link so i can paste it here....

and here is the link http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?topic=1138.msg16561#msg16561

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 03:32:08 PM »
Patriotism really reflect to every Filipino? absolutely not!!! look at you now..read yourself, are your wearing locally made shirt/jeans/wrestwatch.? i'm pretty sure not..

i have experienced once, i saw a group of Pinays in supermarket and saw our Philippine made products..they said "Yak nakakadiri made in the Philippines" sabay tapon at alis..


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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 04:39:40 AM »


that is the fallacy, sad part of it.... however, if their egos are touched....by a non-Filipino and pretend not to be patriotic, what a shame....

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2007, 11:57:29 PM »
Patriotism really reflect to every Filipino? absolutely not!!! look at you now..read yourself, are your wearing locally made shirt/jeans/wrestwatch.? i'm pretty sure not..


I may not wear all pure filipino made materials but im pretty sure, I patronize our products. We even use native brewed coffee made by my grandfather. I also felt happy after buying a pair of Nike sweater and found out that it was made from the Phils. And proud to say that I'm using a slipper made from Carcar.

With regards to the pinays, I feel sorry for their hypocrisy.

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2007, 01:00:44 AM »


I could not imagine Filipinos based overseas of belittling our beloved Philippines...with the globalization mas proud gyod ko kung ang produkto nga gibaligya sa USA gioutsource sa Pilipinas kay sa Bangladesh, Sri Lanka ug asa pa.

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2007, 01:17:55 PM »
OT naman ni oi pero sige lang..

I have a friend Egyptian national and he ask me "Why most of the Filipina can easily married or have bf a non-Filipino blood? are they proud of it?"

ako nalng gi-ingnan mga boring mana sila sa Pinas mao nga mag mantiner nlang og foreigner kay dili naman maminyo sa mga Pinoy.

But indeed our women are proud to get married a foreigner than a Pinoy, even there parents!!!

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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2007, 11:18:21 PM »
tungod kay ang mga pinay hilig ug mga gwafong foreigner!

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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2007, 02:12:24 AM »
Bisan pa ug dili gwapo, diri sa Qatar dagahn mga Pinay sinyalan.. bisan pa mga Sudanis, o Bado man siguro na patulan man..

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2007, 02:44:25 AM »
dako man sad gipangita anang mga bayhana!

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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2007, 04:39:31 AM »
Hello u two!

This might be the new business trend.....most of the Pinoys is only up to promise! or.... igo ra tawon ang mga Rosas Pandan
pabuntisan, mao nang uban maningkamot nalang ilabina ug wa tawon poy trabaho nga nakita-an or there are some who are
really materialistics.

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 03:44:05 PM »


Poverty is the reason why our women resorted to this....and it is the "quality" of service that Filipinos could offer to foreign countries.... in marriage, it is the passion to serve and loyalty,  in business it is flexibility, multi-tasking and compentency and our edge in communicating English...

All over the world, they like us for being fun-loving regardless of being less priveleged, freedom of expression and perseverance....

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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 05:14:31 PM »
Hello u two!
This might be the new business trend.....

Kinsa man diay nag-una-una sa nationalistic value "patriotism"? nag katay-katay na loon murag albate...hehehe..ok raman pod ;D

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2007, 03:24:20 AM »


unsa diay imo ipasabot gervistill? didn't get u.... sorry....

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2007, 12:49:40 AM »


there are a lot of misconceptions about outsourcing nga mawad-an kuno ug trabaho ang mga tawo where in fact daghan tawo ang matabangan kay paspas man ang turn-over sa services...

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2007, 02:03:57 PM »
The Philippines' Awesome Outsourcing Opportunity
 
The islands share a language and legal system with the U.S., and offer high skills and low costs. They could outrun India for outsourcing dollars

India's dramatic economic rise this decade, powered by its role as the back office of the world, has developing countries from Argentina to Vietnam scrambling for a piece of the action. With good reason: Researcher Gartner estimates offshore infotech and business-process outsourcing amounted to $34 billion globally in 2005 and could double by 2007.

And the race is on in Eastern Europe, Latin America, China, and Southeast Asia to land jobs and economic growth by answering customer phone calls, managing far-flung computer networks, processing invoices, and writing custom software for multinationals from all over the world.

Though India continues to have a lock on most of this global business, that is starting to change. Even Indian outsourcing powerhouse Infosys (INFY) has started increasing staff in China and the Czech Republic this year, is exploring Latin America, and likely will eventually set up a base in Southeast Asia.

GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY. "Some of the countries like Philippines and Malaysia have done fairly well to leverage their unique skills and carved niches for themselves," said Infosys Chief Executive Officer Nandan M. Nilekani,in Singapore recently attending an International Monetary Fund and World Bank meeting.

Could all of this be a golden opportunity for the Philippines, long regarded as the economic laggard in Asia? This vast archipelago is starting to gain some traction on the outsourcing front. Chennai (India)-based OfficeTiger now has over a hundred people working in Manila on legal outsourcing for clients such as Dupont and expects to have nearly 1,500 by the end of 2007 (see BusinessWeek.com, 9/18/06, "Let's Offshore The Lawyers").

The Philippines raked in offshore service generating revenues of $2.1 billion last year, placing third behind India and China and slightly ahead of Malaysia. That's up 62% over the $1.3 billion it gained in 2004, and a huge increase from the start of the decade when the outsourcing industry in Manila employed just 2,400 people and the industry had revenues of merely $24 million.

LANGUAGE ADVANTAGE. The outsourcing sector currently employs over 200,000 people. That is still way behind India's 750,000, but Manila is catching up fast. The Business Processing Association of Philippines estimates the industry will chalk up 57% growth this year with total revenues of $3.3 billion and is on track to deliver nearly 48% growth in 2007 to $4.9 billion. "Business process outsourcing [BPO] is one of the fastest growing segments of our economy and a key plank of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's strategy to put strong growth drivers in place," says Philippine Cabinet Secretary L. Ricardo Saludo.

Consultancy A.T. Kearney, in its recent ranking of the most desirable global services locations which are competitive for business process outsourcing, ranked the Philippines fourth in the world behind India, China, and Malaysia—a huge change from being outside the top 10 three years ago. Philippines gets high marks for its large, educated talent pool and English language skills, though it lags some of the other locations in infrastructure.

Economists and analysts are startled by the Philippines' runaway growth in the sector. "The pace of development of the BPO [sector] in the Philippines has been impressive," says a recent report by U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs. "Three years ago there was a question mark whether Philippines could develop some [outsourcing] momentum. Now it's a $3 billion industry."

WHITE COLLAR FORCE. Goldman's report also notes the outsourcing industry has begun to expand beyond the capital Manila into university towns such as Baguio as well as Clark (the former U.S. military base), Cebu, Dumaguete, and Davao. "It is clear that Philippines is now very much on the global map for outsourcing," the Goldman report said.

The recent growth spurt in the outsourcing industry in the Philippines has been fueled not by traditional low-value-added call centers but more higher-end outsourcing such as legal services, Web design, medical transcription, software development, animation, and shared services. Though call centers still form the largest part of the sector, the Philippines has begun leveraging its creative design talent pool, its large pool of lawyers, and its professionals in accounting and finance.

"Philippines as a country offers us a unique talent pool for outsourcing services in legal as well as design services," says Joseph Sigelman, co-president of India-based OfficeTiger, which was acquired by U.S. printing services giant R.R. Donnelley in April. The company chose the Philippines as the springboard for its legal services outsourcing and expects to make Manila the main center for "pre-media" outsourcing work, including desktop publishing, composition, typesetting, and graphic design.

FAMILIAR WITH U.S. Legal services were a natural extension of the outsourcing work the firm has been doing from its base in Chennai for years. "As an ex-American colony, there is cultural affinity and the legal system is based on U.S. law," says Sigelman, a native of New York. "In Manila, every lawyer seems to know what Roe vs. Wade was about. In Chennai, they may have some of the finest legal brains in the world but not everyone has heard about Roe vs. Wade or other key cases in U.S. Supreme Court." Most Filipino lawyers sit for U.S. bar exams and that gives Manila a leg-up over India, China, or Malaysia.

Design work is another place where Filipinos have and edge, according to Sigelman. He says he has found incredible depth of design talent in Manila; the kind of talent that is hard to come by in Bangalore, Hyderabad, or Chennai.

OfficeTiger's clients include large insurance companies, retailers, and publishers of books and directories. OfficeTiger is looking at Philippines operations to provide 40% to 50% of its total annual revenue growth over the next three to five years.

TALENT POACHING. Another factor working in the Philippines' favor is cost. In India, wage costs in outsourcing have risen 15% per annum over the past two years. This rise has outsourcing firms and clients looking for alternatives. With that in mind, the risk for the Philippines is that its relatively low office-rental and labor costs could also start to rise dramatically.

Already, heavy demand for office space, despite a boom in construction of new buildings, is causing upward pressure on rents. Companies that are expanding say costs are starting to escalate fairly rapidly. There are signs of a tight labor market, too. Excessive poaching of talent that was the norm in India a few years ago is becoming common in Manila as well.

New companies are offering "joining bonuses" to the most talented the day they sign up for the job. Many employees are given bonuses for finding new recruits. "It's inevitable that costs will rise but the Philippines is still a very competitive place for the sort of work we are doing," says Sigelman.

MONEY FOR TRAINING. Cabinet Secretary Saludo says the government is focused on developing human capital through education and training to keep a steady supply of talent for the outsourcing sector. Manila is also beefing up the telecommunications infrastructure, he says.

Chasing the outsourcing wave is a smart strategy for an economy such as the Philippines'. Compared with capital-intensive manufacturing, service businesses are cheap to set up, and can generate a hundred times more jobs per dollar invested. President Arroyo recently earmarked $10 million for new trainees in the outsourcing industry. Students interested in outsourcing jobs are given vouchers that can be used for tuition at vocational institutes.

Unless cost escalation gets out of hand or other infrastructure bottlenecks appear, the Business Process Association of Philippines projects that outsourcing in the Philippines could be an $11 billion industry employing 900,000 people by the end of 2010. That will put it close to where India is today. "Five years from now, there could be a lot of countries doing as much as India is doing today," says Infosys CEO Nilekani. "We are just scratching the surface in outsourcing and off-shoring."


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The Philippines: The New Outsourcing Hot Spot
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Economists and analysts are startled by the Philippines' runaway growth in the sector. "The pace of development of the BPO [sector] in the Philippines has been impressive," says a recent report by U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs. "Three years ago there was a question mark whether Philippines could develop some [outsourcing] momentum. Now it's a $3 billion industry."

India's dramatic economic rise this decade, powered by its role as the back office of the world, has developing countries from Argentina to Vietnam scrambling for a piece of the action. With good reason: Researcher Gartner (NYSE: IT) estimates offshore infotech and business-process outsourcing amounted to US$34 billion globally in 2005 and could double by 2007.

The race is on in Eastern Europe, Latin America, China, and Southeast Asia to land jobs and economic growth by answering customer phone calls, managing far-flung computer networks, processing invoices, and writing custom software for multinationals from all over the world.

Though India continues to have a lock on most of this global business, that is starting to change. Even Indian outsourcing powerhouse Infosys has started increasing staff in China and the Czech Republic this year, is exploring Latin America, and likely will eventually set up a base in Southeast Asia.


Golden Opportunity
"Some of the countries like Philippines and Malaysia have done fairly well to leverage their unique skills and carved niches for themselves," said Infosys Chief Executive Officer Nandan M. Nilekani, in Singapore recently attending an International Monetary Fund and World Bank meeting.

Could all of this be a golden opportunity for the Philippines, long regarded as the economic laggard in Asia? This vast archipelago is starting to gain some traction on the outsourcing front. Chennai, India-based OfficeTiger now has over a hundred people working in Manila on legal outsourcing for clients such as Dupont and expects to have nearly 1,500 by the end of 2007.

The Philippines raked in offshore service generating revenues of $2.1 billion last year, placing third behind India and China and slightly ahead of Malaysia. That's up 62 percent over the $1.3 billion it gained in 2004, and a huge increase from the start of the decade when the outsourcing industry in Manila employed just 2,400 people and the industry had revenues of a mere $24 million.

Language Advantage
The outsourcing sector currently employs over 200,000 people. That is still way behind India's 750,000, but Manila is catching up fast. The Business Processing Association of Philippines estimates the industry will chalk up 57 percent growth this year with total revenues of $3.3 billion, and is on track to deliver nearly 48 percent growth in 2007 to $4.9 billion. "Business process outsourcing (BPO) is one of the fastest growing segments of our economy and a key plank of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's strategy to put strong growth drivers in place," says Philippine Cabinet Secretary L. Ricardo Saludo.

Consultancy A.T. Kearney, in its recent ranking of the most desirable global services locations which are competitive for business process outsourcing, ranked the Philippines fourth in the world behind India, China, and Malaysia -- a huge change from being outside the top 10 three years ago. Philippines gets high marks for its large, educated talent pool and English language skills, though it lags some of the other locations in infrastructure.

Economists and analysts are startled by the Philippines' runaway growth in the sector. "The pace of development of the BPO [sector] in the Philippines has been impressive," says a recent report by U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs. "Three years ago there was a question mark whether Philippines could develop some [outsourcing] momentum. Now it's a $3 billion industry."

White Collar Force
Goldman's report also notes the outsourcing industry has begun to expand beyond the capital Manila into university towns such as Baguio, as well as Clark (the former U.S. military base), Cebu, Dumaguete, and Davao. "It is clear that Philippines is now very much on the global map for outsourcing," the Goldman report said.

The recent growth spurt in the outsourcing industry in the Philippines has been fueled not by traditional low-value-added call centers, but more higher-end outsourcing such as legal services, Web design, medical transcription, software development, animation, and shared services. Though call centers still form the largest part of the sector, the Philippines has begun leveraging its creative design talent pool, its large pool of lawyers and its professionals in accounting and finance.

"Philippines as a country offers us a unique talent pool for outsourcing services in legal as well as design services," says Joseph Sigelman, co-president of India-based OfficeTiger, which was acquired by U.S. printing services giant R.R. Donnelley in April. The company chose the Philippines as the springboard for its legal services outsourcing and expects to make Manila the main center for "pre-media" outsourcing work, including desktop publishing, composition, typesetting, and graphic design.

Familiar With US
Legal services were a natural extension of the outsourcing work the firm has been doing from its base in Chennai for years. "As an ex-American colony, there is cultural affinity and the legal system is based on U.S. law," says Sigelman, a native of New York. "In Manila, every lawyer seems to know what Roe vs. Wade was about. In Chennai, they may have some of the finest legal brains in the world but not everyone has heard about Roe vs. Wade or other key cases in U.S. Supreme Court." Most Filipino lawyers sit for U.S. bar exams and that gives Manila a leg up over India, China, or Malaysia.

Design work is another place where Filipinos have an edge, according to Sigelman. He says he has found incredible depth of design talent in Manila; the kind of talent that is hard to come by in Bangalore, Hyderabad, or Chennai.

OfficeTiger's clients include large insurance companies, retailers, and publishers of books and directories. OfficeTiger is looking at Philippines operations to provide 40 percent to 50 percent of its total annual revenue growth over the next three to five years.

Talent Poaching
Another factor working in the Philippines' favor is cost. In India, wage costs in outsourcing have risen 15 percent per annum over the past two years. This rise has outsourcing firms and clients looking for alternatives. With that in mind, the risk for the Philippines is that its relatively low office-rental and labor costs could also start to rise dramatically.

Already, heavy demand for office space, despite a boom in construction of new buildings, is causing upward pressure on rents. Companies that are expanding say costs are starting to escalate fairly rapidly. There are signs of a tight labor market, too. Excessive poaching of talent that was the norm in India a few years ago is becoming common in Manila as well.

New companies are offering "joining bonuses" to the most talented the day they sign up for the job. Many employees are given bonuses for finding new recruits. "It's inevitable that costs will rise but the Philippines is still a very competitive place for the sort of work we are doing," says Sigelman.

Money for Training
Cabinet Secretary Saludo says the government is focused on developing human capital through education and training to keep a steady supply of talent for the outsourcing sector. Manila is also beefing up the telecommunications infrastructure, he says.

Chasing the outsourcing wave is a smart strategy for an economy such as the Philippines'. Compared with capital-intensive manufacturing, service businesses are cheap to set up, and can generate a hundred times more jobs per dollar invested. President Arroyo recently earmarked $10 million for new trainees in the outsourcing industry. Students interested in outsourcing jobs are given vouchers that can be used for tuition at vocational institutes.

Unless cost escalation gets out of hand or other infrastructure bottlenecks appear, the Business Process Association of Philippines projects that outsourcing in the Philippines could be an $11 billion industry employing 900,000 people by the end of 2010. That will put it close to where India is today. "Five years from now, there could be a lot of countries doing as much as India is doing today," says Infosys CEO Nilekani. "We are just scratching the surface in outsourcing and offshoring."


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Economists and analysts are startled by the Philippines' runaway growth in the sector. "The pace of development of the BPO [sector] in the Philippines has been impressive," says a recent report by U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs. "Three years ago there was a question mark whether Philippines could develop some [outsourcing] momentum. Now it's a $3 billion industry."
there's a new type of outsourcing, and it's called KPO. Knowledge Process Outsourcing. This is more knowledge-intensive, higher paying and required more experience and academic backing. We hope to get a share on this KPO market.

Though India continues to have a lock on most of this global business, that is starting to change. Even Indian outsourcing powerhouse Infosys has started increasing staff in China and the Czech Republic this year, is exploring Latin America, and likely will eventually set up a base in Southeast Asia.
that's the downside of BPO. they can transfer the office that fast. we might soon be faced with mass lay offs when the process has been transferred to let's say Vietnam. i'd say it lies right on our hands. each BPO need not only concentrate on cost effectiveness. quality management should be of foremost concern.

The recent growth spurt in the outsourcing industry in the Philippines has been fueled not by traditional low-value-added call centers, but more higher-end outsourcing such as legal services, Web design, medical transcription, software development, animation, and shared services. Though call centers still form the largest part of the sector, the Philippines has begun leveraging its creative design talent pool, its large pool of lawyers and its professionals in accounting and finance.

that's the good thing about Filipinos. we're good at almost everything...  doing the job to the best of our abilities. IF not...trainable man pod ta..

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Another factor working in the Philippines' favor is cost. In India, wage costs in outsourcing have risen 15 percent per annum over the past two years. This rise has outsourcing firms and clients looking for alternatives. With that in mind, the risk for the Philippines is that its relatively low office-rental and labor costs could also start to rise dramatically..

this is very obvious. you'd see ads saying they will give you 15K signing bonus...etc. are we running out of manpower that they have to lure them with bonuses? not bad, but it may affect the overhead cost. compared with US, operating costs here are way way lower. but we are not competing with the US. Vietnam, China, Latin America and the rest of the world are competing with us. So beware of companies who pay you too much. You might lose your job sooner than you think.

Already, heavy demand for office space, despite a boom in construction of new buildings, is causing upward pressure on rents. Companies that are expanding say costs are starting to escalate fairly rapidly. There are signs of a tight labor market, too. Excessive poaching of talent that was the norm in India a few years ago is becoming common in Manila as well.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2007, 03:45:16 PM »
Sir Junayag,

I have been read many of your inputs in TB and I think you are an intelligent and sensible man.
I vote for your ideas.

It is true that our country needs total restoration when it comes to our mentality. Morag lisod na gyod mausab ning crab mentality sa mga Filipino.
hasta kaning ningas cogon, padreno system ug unay sa luwag nga systema.

Wa gyod ay asenso ang atong nasod kon di na mausab.
Unya kaning mga balaod sab nato usually ang mga dato ra ug kanang naa sa power ay makaenjoy.
Looy si pobreng polano. Lisodlisoron pagyod ka inig pangayo permit pero kon naa imo uncle magtarbaho sa kapitolyo di na basahon imo application.

In the Philippines, there is no real Justice and Equality among the people.The diffrence between the rich and the poor is enormous. mao dili gyod mahimong peaceful diha kay syempre ang mga naglisod moresort nalang to robbery and kidnapping.

Sweden (and Nordic countries in general) is a peaceful country. Bisan dato ka dire di ka mahadlok di manera imo balay kay walay mangawat. Ug dire mafeel gyod nimo imong value as a human being and that you are equal to everyone. Parehas ragyod tan-aw ug tratar sa tanang tawo dire bisan kinsa kapa. Bisan anak kapa sa Prime Minister dire unya you are overspeeding dakpon gyod ka. Di parehas diha sa atoa nga kon parahon kanas polis ing non ra dayon ang polis (mao pay kasab-an) nga "wa ka kaila kinsa ko??"

Dire pwede ka motubag ug makigdebate sa imong boss without fearing nga fire out ton ka. The labor union here is very strong. The people have BIG power. Mahadlok ang mga political leaders dire mohimo ug gamay sayop kay di na gyod sila tuohan pa ug guba na ila reputation.

Dire ang definition sa word government  nga is the people and for the people is tama gyod.

The law here functions to the fullest. No one is exempted and everyone is following the law.

And Swedish people are  honest. They trust each other and they trust their leaders.

We pay  high taxes here but people dont mind because the money we payed flowed back to the society in terms of many benifits. Free school to everyone...hasta sa university way bayad. Free lunch pa hangtod grade 9 (bale 3rd year high sa atoa) Yes, here everyone can study bisan unsay ilang gusto nga kurso. Parents here dont need to worry anymore about their childrens future kay free man ang edukasyon unya hasta healthcare way bayad. Sa atoa looy kaayo kon masakit atong mga anak kay mamatay nalang kon wa tay ikapalit ug tambal.

Ang mga bata sab dire inig ka tawo nila hangtod moabot sila ug 18 dunay madawat nga allowance sa gobyerno kada bulan. Each child receives about 157 USD. Pero kon moabot na 3 imo anak mas modako ang ihatag. Gusto man god sila nga manganak ka daghan. Opposite pod as atoa. So, here.. the more children you have the more benifits and allowances you get. Di ka maguol dire kon daghan ka anak..kapoy lang usahay kay di man uso ang maid dire. So imo ra tanan.

Maternity leave sab sa mga babaye dire is more than one year with pay.

Ang Pilipinas rich man unta pod sa mga natural resources ug di ba sa una usa ta sa most progressive and rich country sa Asia...what happened now? Dire wa gyod ko kita made in Philippines nga products nga mga sinina. Maayo pa made in bangladesh kay dia pa.

Wa mamao pagdala ang atong nasod kay ato mga leader nga gielect (thru vote buying) nga unta peoples servant sila ang ila ramang vested interest maoy gipakadako.

Ang makapausab ras atong nasod kita rapod nga mga tawo. Kon naa pa untay molead diha para sa another Peoples Power!
Start the changes by replacing all corrupt leaders. Ug kuhaon ang ilang mga nacorrupt.

Opps !!sorry..morag na out of topic na man siguro ko ani. Just cant help it...

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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2007, 06:21:51 PM »
Gervistill, naa diay ka sa Qatar? Diha man ako banana adtong March.

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2007, 11:27:30 PM »
Thanks for the long great comparison Asianfairy.  Well, Europe is not Asia.....Asia is now also developing much better in Economic progress but I had already elaborated in a previous or other interesting topics in relation to this... I  just feel sorry that our country is not a part of this.  China and India are on the go whereas, we have lot of young experienced intellectuals in our country.  This is what our government failed to have some agreement with other leading Europian countries such as Germany and etc. aside from U.K.  I had before cited in other thread.... that what we really need is a "NEW PEOPLE'S POWER"...might be again a good start to abolish the non-stop corruption. In other hand, every Politicians on Power is not sugarcoated to this illness.  Just imagine, the Philippine New People's Power was taken as an heroic example from the East Germans by way of breaking the existing 40 years Wall for that West-East re-union.

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2007, 11:59:59 PM »
Thanks to you too Bambi..

 I agree that we need a NEW Peoples Power!

I visited Berlin together with my husband in 1993 when we made a tour around Europe. We took away some of the stones that was broken from the walls..as a souvenier. Diha pamay daghan nabilin wa pa mahinlo.

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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2007, 12:22:58 AM »
It is about 5 hrs. by car from us, we were there the first time this May for 3 days trip......well, the City is interesting due to its tragic history but I like London better especially for shopping.

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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2007, 01:40:16 AM »

thanks asianfairy for your very warm compliments...  bambi, gervistill, happy and positive values' advocates... only if Bohol could establish a core group that would take care on VALUE REDIRECTION, our TB group is the most effective.

We have many intellectuals here...but being intelligent is not sufficient to be effective, we need to have that DEDICATION and firm CONVICTION that through us we could make a DIFFERENCE in Bohol's total "landscape"...

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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2007, 06:13:55 AM »
kuya nagkinahanglan nag gutsy person

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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2007, 03:23:45 PM »
Some argue that outsourcing jobs exploits the low paid workers...a contrary view, there are more people being employed and benefited from paid work...

I believe there's a certain degree of exploitation involved...but then, beggars can't be choosers.

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on the first place why services are being outsourced because of cheap labor from providers as compared to their local industry rate...though we tend to abide with their requirements ( we cannot choose but comply, we have less bargaining power )... but the bottomline, outsourcing has positive effects to our economy.

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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2007, 06:17:43 PM »
  On the whole it's a good thing for the Phils. 
  The people gaining the jobs are benefiting more than those losing them.  A few months after I moved to this part of the world approx 600 of my ex-colleagues were terminated.  Their work was moved to India.  I imagine many of them are still unemployed to this day, given that they had been idling, thinking they had a job for life - not learning new skills.
  I believe outsourcing will contribute to better equality between the standard of living in the affected countries.  Sure, the owners in the USA etc may take the profits - but there's still that extra money flowing into the nation through salaries and investment.



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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2007, 12:26:20 AM »


am with you Ben that the impact is more felt with those who are adversely affected and those being benefitted. 

with globalization,  building a global village, no one could monopolize in the same geographic location... labor / resources are cheap elsewhere, hence, entrepreneurs are focused of being cost-effective...

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2007, 02:53:24 AM »
Bootstrapping operating costs through outsourcing can help owners get to break-even sooner and improve profit margins as the business grows.

Outsourcing is a strategy that can work very well for a start-up and very small businesses. Rather than bear the cost of renting space and hiring a staff, these businesses utilize the excess capacity of someone else's business to make their product.

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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2007, 09:41:20 AM »
RP set to overtake India in business outsourcing  
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MANILA, Philippines -- THE PHILIPPINES is poised to overtake India as the world's top provider of business process outsourcing services as industry players firm up their strength and marketing efforts.

Cesar B. Bautista, co-chairman of the National Competitiveness Council (NCC), told the Philippine Daily Inquirer that the Indian cyber services sector was losing its edge as telecommunication infrastructure get saturated and costs go up.

"At the same time, our BPO sector has started strengthening their organization into something like India's Nasscom [National Association of Software and Services Companies], which can represent the members as a bigger and more influential entity," Bautista said.

He was alluding to the Business Process Association of the Philippines, which he said could now be more decisive because it had reformed its structure, unlike the "weak" group it had been in the past years.

Bautista, a former trade secretary who now represents the private sector in the NCC, said it was only expected that the Philippines would emerge as a leading provider of BPO services despite coming into it later than India did.

He noted that information technology-enabled services had become the fastest growing sector in the economy, which is expected to be providing some 400,000 jobs by the end of this year compared to 8,000 in 2000.

"Our cyber services sector is growing much than that of India and the projection that by 2010, the industry would represent a million jobs and $12 billion in revenues is not farfetched," Bautista said.

To prove his point, Bautista cited to a report that US-based research firm Frontier Strategy Group released earlier this month, which identified the Philippines as one of seven markets that would drive corporate profit growth in 2008 and beyond.

Titled "Shift from the BRIC to the Future 7," the study showed that the country--along with Indonesia, inland Brazil (as opposed to the coastal areas), inland China, Mexico, Turkey and Vietnam--was replacing the BRIC countries (coastal Brazil, Russia, urban India, and coastal China) as markets of fast growth.

Based on FSG's survey of at least 100 top executives from top performing firms in the world, 86 percent said the Philippines was a top destination in the Asia-Pacific-together with inland China, Vietnam and Indonesia.

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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2007, 02:59:09 AM »


Big economies of the world recognized Philippines as a rich potential source of resources but lacking the mechanism to fully utilize them... much more, we lack marketing... and a balance protection for both investors and labor must prevail.

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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2007, 10:10:36 PM »
Also to our mentality..Most Filipinos prefer to lost a job than to have low salary!! It's true, we have a lot of foreign investors are relocating their BUSINESS to China or Vietnam.  Filipinos do not want to be called CHEAP LABOR!! Better to quit the job than to have low salary, that's the MILITANT labor group said!!! Hahahahahaha, how can our country progress with such mentality. Ugali na ng mga Kabayan natin na hindi makontento kundi mareklamo, isa pa wala sa atin ang tinatawag na SAKRIPISYO MO NA PARA SA BANSA kundi bahala kayo sa buhay ninyo basta sa akin ayos! KANYA-KANYA mentality. Only my opinion..

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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2007, 12:17:23 AM »


more amount of efforts are required to educate and orient the citizenry (community) about the impact of outsourcing in socio-economic development... hence, it is a social responsibility to impart or inculcate the impact if given opportunity for every encounter...

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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2007, 04:24:06 AM »
Also to our mentality..Most Filipinos prefer to lost a job than to have low salary!! It's true, we have a lot of foreign investors are relocating their BUSINESS to China or Vietnam.  Filipinos do not want to be called CHEAP LABOR!! Better to quit the job than to have low salary, that's the MILITANT labor group said!!! Hahahahahaha, how can our country progress with such mentality. Ugali na ng mga Kabayan natin na hindi makontento kundi mareklamo, isa pa wala sa atin ang tinatawag na SAKRIPISYO MO NA PARA SA BANSA kundi bahala kayo sa buhay ninyo basta sa akin ayos! KANYA-KANYA mentality. Only my opinion..

Gervistil, please allow me to comment on your statements. You are equating oranges to apples. On the contrary, prefering to loose a job than to have low salary is a good attitude and it does not necessarily equate to non-patriotism or bahala na attitude. Infact I salute these people for keeping value to our quality labor. We can not just give everything for free, otherwise we loose our value and quality. Everything has its place and value in the market, like you can not sell a Rolex Watch in sidewalks.

However, this is true to us who are working abroad as we have a wide array of choices. Unfortunately, in the Philippines, it is not. There is no much choice and every cup of rice counts for a person's survival. Termination means going back to zero, standing on that long line. This situation gives exploiters an opportunity to rule. Sadly, the labor sector in the Philippines are the most deprived by the government. Therefore, we can not blame others of becoming a militant. At least some of thier struggles are being heard. Unfortunately, instead of helping them, the government is demonizing them and branding them as communists. Should not due to their continuous struggle and protests, minimum wage policy would not have been implemented.

I am afraid that we will become like China, where sweat shops and child labors are seen in every corner. At least China has still its hang-overs from years of communists regime. Some Chinese are willing to work in factories with less than a dollar a day or even do not bother to work for free, just to be patriotic.

If we come back to the post of Asian Fairy, labors in other countries are well respected and protected by the government. Labors are the back-bone of the society. That's why their country is successful because of this government policy.

Our parents educate us with high hopes. Not just to become a cheap labor.

We are friends. I am not expecting your agreement, but these are my views.

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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2007, 08:51:40 AM »
i agree..but not this time, remember Japan, Korea they started with that, now China look at them after luring the investors, they started too..
We need more sacrifice to achive that.

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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2007, 09:37:27 AM »
The rich in our country are the oppressors of the poor.
Most employers are selfish and greedy.

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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2007, 12:38:55 AM »
i agree..but not this time, remember Japan, Korea they started with that, now China look at them after luring the investors, they started too..
We need more sacrifice to achive that.

Gervistill,

I agree with you to some extent, but not at all times. Of course, no success can be achieved without sacrifice. Specially for newcomers in the market, like India, china and Vietnam, they have to put thier price at low-end just to gain customers/investors.

However, we Filipinos are seasoned in the technical / service enterprise. We have already carved our niche throught years of dominance. Our quality speaks for itself. However, what we should do is avoid the Rabbit vs. Turtle situation. Let us not be over confident.

While China and India are just new in the market, they are slowly immerging and taking the shortcut. While we are fast but going on the long & wrong direction as we have weak leaders in our government. Sooner, they will outrun us.

I salute you Gervistil for being one of the contributors in building our nation.

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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2007, 12:51:13 AM »
Moreover, I went to market to buy fish in one of Saudi markets. I have seen a goup of asian ladies. I am surprised to know that they are a bunch of Chinese Nurses employed in one of the known hospitals.

Nakasulod na diay ni sila sa Saudi? One by stander told me that they are just lowly paid at $200 to $250 a month.

I have a bad feeling about this and I am afraid. They are invading like locust. Sooner, they will invade the US and UK job market and I expect a vast migration of Filipina nurses back to the Philippines.

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2007, 01:02:14 AM »
Moreover, I went to market to buy fish in one of Saudi markets. I have seen a goup of asian ladies. I am surprised to know that they are a bunch of Chinese Nurses employed in one of the known hospitals.

Nakasulod na diay ni sila sa Saudi? One by stander told me that they are just lowly paid at $200 to $250 a month.

I have a bad feeling about this and I am afraid. They are invading like locust. Sooner, they will invade the US and UK job market and I expect a vast migration of Filipina nurses back to the Philippines.
Naa gani mga doctors na chinese sa GOSI...

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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2007, 07:28:22 AM »
Nakasulod na diay ni sila sa Saudi? One by stander told me that they are just lowly paid at $200 to $250 a month.
sa Qatar Mac ang mga Chinese nga mga babaye mga pokpok, mao rapoy barato barato, mao nga moingon nalang tawon ang mga Pinay "ajaw mo ana mga Chinese oi, maajo pa mga Pinay kay makatabang pamo, bisan mahal-mahal ;D

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« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2007, 09:17:44 AM »
bulok to sila Gerv....sagdi nalang to sila...


but what surprised me really.. we have too many professionals and why cant we export some of them out para maka ahon pod?

i dont believe that Jun said nga patriotism... noooo, nope... it has something to do with jealousy, inggit...or katangahan sa mga leader...

i dont really know what to say but it makes me so mad....

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« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2007, 03:19:09 PM »
What is a good wage for a professional here?  I ask because I hear so many conflicting estimates.

.. also, what's the point in having a minimum wage when most employers and even the government flout it by using short term contracts & temporary layoffs after 6 months?  This puzzles me.

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« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2007, 04:39:54 PM »
What is a good wage for a professional here?  I ask because I hear so many conflicting estimates.

.. also, what's the point in having a minimum wage when most employers and even the government flout it by using short term contracts & temporary layoffs after 6 months?  This puzzles me.

There is no job security in the Philippines. Most employers want to hire you for six months only and then renew your contract for another six months so they can avoid paying SSS, PhilHealth, and other fees due to the workers.

If we base the professional wage according to the Department of Labor scale, then it's tantamount to exploitation. The Labor Department has never been sympathetic to workers.

I worked like a dog when I was still there and I could hardly afford to buy a cup of coffee.

Employers are getting richer and richer while their slaves and workers are neglected.

If professionals in the Philippines were only compensated according to humanitarian reasons, we would have not fled from our country and suffered the terrible loneliness of being away from home.

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« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2007, 04:56:14 PM »
hmmmn, i worked here in the pilippines right now relatively in Outsourcing business.It depends in the company you are working with when we speak of job security. yeah i agree there are employers that hired people as contractuals only, but there are still a lot of companies here that can provide you job security(depending on the job you are applying). i dont know in other countries if contractual employees are allowed or not. it's true as well that compensation here is not good enough particularly for the rank and file employees.

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« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2007, 10:35:45 AM »
Cebu ranks 4th globally as outsourcing destination

CEBU CITY -- Cebu landed number four among 15 emerging outsourcing destinations for global companies, according to an industry report.

India, though, remains the most favored technology outsourcing destination despite concerns that a rising rupee and soaring wages would blunt the country’s competitive edge.

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A study by industry publication Global Services and investment advisory firm Tholons put the Indian cities of Chennai, Hyderabad and Pune at the top of a list of 15 emerging outsourcing destinations for global companies.

In an interview with Sun.Star Cebu, Cebu Investment Promotions Center (CIPC) executive director Joel Mari Yu said he expects Cebu to reach number one, as the business process outsourcing (BPO) industry here is rising compared to that in India.

Costs are surging in the prime cities in India, which has earned a reputation as the world’s back office, as property values and rentals rise and wages increase at an annual pace of more than 15 percent amid a shortage of skilled employees.

Indian outsourcing firms are also feeling the pinch from an appreciating rupee, which dents dollar-billed earnings, forcing them to cut costs by expanding to less expensive locations.

Demand outpaces supply

“With the demand-supply gap widening, newer tier II cities will play a critical role in reengineered globalization models,” said Tholons chairman Avinash Vashistha.

“Destinations will need to provide a greater level of cost effectiveness and operational efficiency.”

Kolkata at number five and Chandigarh at number nine were the other two Indian locations on the list, which contained three Chinese and two Vietnamese cities as well.

The three hot cities for outsourcing from China were Shanghai at number eight, Beijing at 10 and Shenzhen at 13. Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi were put at number six and number 12.

The Sri Lankan capital of Colombo placed seventh, Cairo at 11, Buenos Aires at 14 and Sao Paulo at 15, the study’s sponsors said in a statement released in Bangalore Sunday.

The list is based on criteria such as scale and quality of workforce, financial infrastructure, risk environment and quality of life.

But it does not include established outsourcing locations such as Bangalore, the New Delhi capital region, Manila, Mumbai and Dublin that have had a decade’s headstart.

India’s outsourcing companies have thrived by winning work from companies in the United States and Europe that sought to tap the country’s low costs and large employee pool by handing over jobs ranging from answering customers’ calls to risk management and financial analysis.

Pure-play outsourcing firms account for about 10 percent of the $50 billion in revenue logged in the year ended March by the entire information technology industry, which also includes software giants such as Tata Consultancy and Infosys.

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Yu said among Third World countries, the Philippines has an edge in that Filipinos speak better English, or that which is closest to the American twang, compared to Indians, who have an accent.

But, he said, the government should start giving the industry more attention in policy direction to keep that advantage.

“It would be better that the industry would not be concentrated in Cebu alone but in other provinces as well so that qualified workers do not congregate in Cebu.

And this entails better government planning involving other local government units,” Yu said.
In particular, he said, other places should offer English, computer technology and other information technology-related courses for a better-qualified pool of workers.

“Pero ang bottomline sweldo gihapon,” he said, however, adding that Cebu has lower labor cost compared to the competition.

He said the industry would not wither in the next five to six years even though only those with good oral communication skills, the willingness to work night shifts, and the stomach to accept insults (from customers) are suited for the job.

Yu also revealed another problem just came into focus.

He said that while workers are especially educated for IT-related jobs, their training does not include managerial and people skills so that they struggle when promoted to higher positions.

“There is also the need for schools to offer IT curricula that teach students to be more versatile IT workers,” he said in Cebuano.

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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2007, 10:37:33 AM »
More Dutch firms outsourcing to Philippines

MANILA, Philippines -- Like many of their counterparts in other parts of the world, companies from the Netherlands are finding the Philippines an attractive outsourcing site, still due mainly to the country’s pool of highly skilled English-speaking workers, a Dutch executive said.

Brian Altman, managing director of Dutch information technology firm IAMD Software Solutions, said the Philippines was generally a good offshore alternative for European companies.

“Services of even the more common business processes will be hard -- and expensive -- to come by in Europe, and the Philippines is a very good alternative low-cost center for (business process outsourcing),” he said in a statement.

He said the Philippines’ telecommunications infrastructure, skilled workers and largely English-speaking population continued to give it a competitive edge over many other potential BPO sites the world over.

Other plus factors included relatively low labor costs as well as cultural similarities with Western countries, he added.

What the government and local stakeholders should do to make the country more attractive to potential outsourcers, he said, was package it properly by highlighting its competitive advantages.

“The Philippines should be marketed properly to the West. There should be more focus on the business side of the country: language advantage, modern infrastructure, high-tech cities like Makati, Eastwood City and Ortigas Center,” he said.

He said one good way of showcasing the country’s merits was through government-spearheaded trade missions, usually organized by the Department of Trade and Industry’s Center for International Trade Expositions and Missions.

“With more foreign nationals in the Philippines, a larger network of westerners is created, thus improving the promotion of the Philippines to the West,” he said.

There are currently around 30 Dutch companies in the country, including big-name firms such as Shell, Philips, Unilever and ABN Amro.

“The Dutch are very careful when it comes to outsourcing. This goes for most of the European market. Trade missions to Europe bridge that and, in important ways, project the Philippines as an attractive offshore location,” Altman said.


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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2007, 08:54:57 AM »
If professionals in the Philippines were only compensated according to humanitarian reasons, we would have not fled from our country and suffered the terrible loneliness of being away from home.

I can empathise due to learning of the experience of my OFW friends (when I was living in another country).  So much sacrifice - even leaving behind small children or giving up all their own life's needs so that they could continue to work abroad and send remittances.

The exploiting employers - do you mean the huge companies like SM?  Or all of them, including small businesses?  As for my efforts to recruit here it seems that to get someone with good experience you have to offer good benefits.  There are plenty of graduates but can't take too many - too much time training.

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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2007, 08:59:17 AM »
Greetings Ben! What part of England do you hail from?

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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2007, 12:58:09 PM »
Greetings Ben! What part of England do you hail from?
Hi Lorenzo,  I come from the industrial midlands.  To keep it on topic - that's an area hit hard by outsourcing.  Manufacturing is approaching 0 there.. first it was the textile business then more recently the business process / service sector.  I guess the people there will end up just fixing each others cars and cutting each others hair!  It's not a place like London, which is very wealthy compared with most of the rest of the Country.

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« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2007, 01:00:23 PM »
I guess the people there will end up just fixing each others cars and cutting each others hair!




That's funny Ben..

dont you think it would be a place for me to retire too??? (switch)

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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2007, 08:07:45 AM »
sa Qatar Mac ang mga Chinese nga mga babaye mga pokpok, mao rapoy barato barato, mao nga moingon nalang tawon ang mga Pinay "ajaw mo ana mga Chinese oi, maajo pa mga Pinay kay makatabang pamo, bisan mahal-mahal ;D

OT..asa naman ron si Piw-Piw?


Nice to share minds with you here in Tubag Bohol Gervistil. Si Piw-piw naa gihapon sa Inabangga. Si Nong Willy iyang papa, gikan man to diri sa Saudi ug wala na mo balik. Gi pangitaan man to namo ug trabaho si Piw-piw dire pere pirming demalason, ma ilogan.

Unsa man imong apelyido, Vestal ba? Naa ko mga amigo mga Vestal taga Inabangga.

Balik ta sa atong topic, naa gani mga Engineers ug Chinese na nga mga Chinese diri. Delikado kung mga hugmo ang building bisan wala pa mahuman. Known raba ang mga Chinese nga walay quality control.

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« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2007, 08:10:13 AM »
I agree, karon gi news napod naa napod gi recall nga made in china... >:(

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« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2007, 08:21:25 AM »
Hi Lorenzo,  I come from the industrial midlands.  To keep it on topic - that's an area hit hard by outsourcing.  Manufacturing is approaching 0 there.. first it was the textile business then more recently the business process / service sector.  I guess the people there will end up just fixing each others cars and cutting each others hair!  It's not a place like London, which is very wealthy compared with most of the rest of the Country.

Speaking of hair, you have two things in common with Mr. Benylenne. Haha, Ben and Hair. Just kidding, we are all friends here.

By the way, speaking of textile industry, I've heared that European Textile industry is booming due to the ban on Chinese textile by the US, which started in 2006 til present.

However, I wonder why we Filipinos did not grab this opportunity. In fact we have a long line of textile industry since the Acapulco Trade. Perhaps, our focus is mainly on local demands and most of our entrepreneurs do not find interest in international business trends.

These are one of the lost opportunities for us Filipinos. We are way behind the Chinese in terms of business agressivenes.

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« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2007, 09:29:02 AM »
kany ngano???

We prefer to become only an employee than becoming an employer..

tinuod man na...

nalimot ka sa imong Rico papi y pobresito papi???

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« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2007, 01:59:30 PM »
Speaking of hair, you have two things in common with Mr. Benylenne. Haha, Ben and Hair. Just kidding, we are all friends here.

By the way, speaking of textile industry, I've heared that European Textile industry is booming due to the ban on Chinese textile by the US, which started in 2006 til present.

However, I wonder why we Filipinos did not grab this opportunity. In fact we have a long line of textile industry since the Acapulco Trade. Perhaps, our focus is mainly on local demands and most of our entrepreneurs do not find interest in international business trends.

These are one of the lost opportunities for us Filipinos. We are way behind the Chinese in terms of business agressivenes.
I knew it was a mistake to use my picture as my avatar. 
There are maybe 1 or 2 textile factories back in my hometown. In the 70s/80s it was the main employer - with 10s of factories.
You're right about it being an opportunity for this country.  Some countries manage to sell at higher prices than China because they have more ethical employment practices and human rights.  The consumers prefer not to think of kids in sweatshops etc. so it give the brand more value.  Still, to be competitive with the rest of this region you would have to offer your workers only about 3000pesos per month for 12 hour days, 6 days a week. I guess 'ethical employment practices' is a very relative thing!

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« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2007, 06:58:11 PM »
Nice to share minds with you here in Tubag Bohol Gervistil. Si Piw-piw naa gihapon sa Inabangga. Si Nong Willy iyang papa, gikan man to diri sa Saudi ug wala na mo balik. Gi pangitaan man to namo ug trabaho si Piw-piw dire pere pirming demalason, ma ilogan.

Unsa man imong apelyido, Vestal ba? Naa ko mga amigo mga Vestal taga Inabangga.

Balik ta sa atong topic, naa gani mga Engineers ug Chinese na nga mga Chinese diri. Delikado kung mga hugmo ang building bisan wala pa mahuman. Known raba ang mga Chinese nga walay quality control.

hehehe wla quality control... this is also true to some electronic specifically computer
parts.
Well China is perhaps a threat to the Philippines on outsourcing industry I heard
the labor cost in China is cheaper than here in the Philippines

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« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2007, 12:35:44 AM »
They are way, wasy cheaper than any in the world...


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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2007, 10:18:56 AM »
Nice to share minds with you here in Tubag Bohol Gervistil. Si Piw-piw naa gihapon sa Inabangga. Si Nong Willy iyang papa, gikan man to diri sa Saudi ug wala na mo balik. Gi pangitaan man to namo ug trabaho si Piw-piw dire pere pirming demalason, ma ilogan.

Unsa man imong apelyido, Vestal ba? Naa ko mga amigo mga Vestal taga Inabangga.

Balik ta sa atong topic, naa gani mga Engineers ug Chinese na nga mga Chinese diri. Delikado kung mga hugmo ang building bisan wala pa mahuman. Known raba ang mga Chinese nga walay quality control.

Vistal oi dili Vestal,
sa dira pako sa Saudi (Riyadh & Jeddah) wala paman to mga Chinese contractors..basin karon nalang na..
pero diri sa Qatar na daghan oi, kusog kaayo mo dive sa presyo mao mga makakuha gyud, maka save man gud sila sa materials kay made in China man ila gamit, basta parehas lang specs.

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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2007, 10:47:50 AM »
dayun dili ra pod mahugno dayun???

kay ilang puthaw mora na naau sagul nga clay kay barato ra gud...hahahha ;D


unsa man nang nindot nga building sa dubai ba na??? kanang half moon?

dinsa may contractor ana??? chekwa???



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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2007, 10:49:33 AM »
Gibalita bitaw miss belle,

nga ang mga boy scout badges gipang recall

kay made in china, and it showed excessively dangerous amounts of lead



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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2007, 10:51:26 AM »
Gibalita bitaw miss belle,

nga ang mga boy scout badges gipang recall

kay made in china, and it showed excessively dangerous amounts of lead





naka dungog ko ana...

hasta gani tooth paste...

hesus mobalik na dagway ta pagka premitive ani, gamit sa asin...

o sanga sa bajabas...

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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2007, 11:09:56 AM »
hahaha

grabe man gud pud,

moadto kas walmart,

halos tanan nilang baligya, made in china



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« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2007, 11:15:23 AM »
bitaw...

dili baja ko mo palit didto kay ma recall unya...

ang cat food gani careful gyud ko kay na mag daut unya si Louie...

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« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2007, 11:38:18 AM »
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2007, 11:41:01 AM »
unsaon nalang...


good night na tanan...

see ya later C2...

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« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2007, 11:47:14 AM »
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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2007, 12:00:04 PM »

hi guys /gals,

am back, am in the Philippines for an emergency business trip; and I find time now to browse...miss you all TB friends...

on "Recall" issue. I've learned recently that the government of USA had apologized China for some errors that have something to do / impact in recalling China made products?  ( how could we call this - have the term but has apprehension )...

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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2007, 12:03:01 PM »
why should they apologize, mr junayag?

if those products are truly a danger to consumers?



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« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2007, 12:06:21 PM »
dako baya gyud ug effect ang pag recall sa mga china products bisan ako gani i bought a medicinal cream sa pharmacy pag tan aw nako sa label kay made in china man ako jud gi uli nag pailis na lang ko ug lain nga brand....noted man gud na sila nga low quality ang products and some are dangerous sa health...

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« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2007, 12:22:15 PM »


there was a mistake in issuing such recall order for some products? of which the fault could not be blamed entirely to China.

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« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2007, 12:24:40 PM »
correct!

random raman diay ang checking diri sa control Jun... i didnt know it , only recently...

nga tanan diay moabot sa port diri, dili man diay checkon kanunay...

ang quality contol pod same thing...

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« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2007, 12:28:32 PM »
oist miss belle,

mata pa man lagi ka?

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« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2007, 12:29:44 PM »
nag search ko sa among adtoon  next week

moadto mi sa Iowa pohon...

nag search ko ug mag train ba mi, fly or drive...

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« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2007, 12:30:01 PM »

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« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2007, 12:30:43 PM »
wow!

mag laag laag mo sa iowa, miss belle?



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« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2007, 09:43:50 PM »
Not all made-in-chinas been designed in China.

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« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2007, 09:45:38 PM »
Just recently, one of our products "Bausch&Lomb Solution" have been recalled from Saudi Government even if there was no indication of harm from SASO (Saudi Arabian Standard Organization). The reason is that there was a magazine publicity in USA that people suffered from eye irritation after using the solution.

As a precaution, the Saudi government recalled the product. Actually, it was only a publicity by a rival brand.

Saudi is one of the toughest quality control in the world. In every country there is a SASO and no product can pass the Customs without SASO Certificate. Even Airconditioners and cars will undergo SASO inspection.

Even the Royal Family businesses is not excempted by this rule. Last month, a bottled water factory owned by a prince has been closed due to high bromate content exceeding SASO recommended level. Bromate at high level has been known to be carcenogenic.

Back in the Philippines, we even don't know if the processed food we are eating are safe. So better eat natural food, and avoid the processed ones. It is much safer.

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« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2007, 09:51:07 PM »
Just recently, one of our products "Bausch&Lomb Solution" have been recalled from Saudi Government even if there was no indication of harm from SASO (Saudi Arabian Standard Organization). The reason is that there was a magazine publicity in USA that people suffered from eye irritation after using the solution.

As a precaution, the Saudi government recalled the product. Actually, it was only a publicity by a rival brand.

Saudi is one of the toughest quality control in the world. In every country there is a SASO and no product can pass the Customs without SASO Certificate. Even Airconditioners and cars will undergo SASO inspection.

Even the Royal Family businesses is not excempted by this rule. Last month, a bottled water factory owned by a prince has been closed due to high bromate content exceeding SASO recommended level. Bromate at high level has been known to be carcenogenic.

Back in the Philippines, we even don't know if the processed food we are eating are safe. So better eat natural food, and avoid the processed ones. It is much safer.




Nice to know...

high standard sila diha Macky no???

as fas as i know... kay naa man kuy amiga naa diha... but i dont know asa na sila karon diha...

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« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2007, 09:53:04 PM »
oist miss gorgeous, mata naman lagi ka?

 ;D

Mr Macky, akong uncle naa man pud sa Saudi, ingon siya ang inyo kunong mga vegetables diha, acres upon acres, naka greenhouse, controlled w/ optimum temps jud daw...mahala siguro operating expenses ana noh?



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« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2007, 09:55:34 PM »
Ms. Dabinsi,

Nice lagi imong fairy attire.

Just tell me your friend's family name and I will try to inquire.

By the way, naa mi ig-agaw diha sa Michigan nga si Nong Roldan Sarmiento. Kaila ba ka nila? Akong mama ug iyang papa igsoon.

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« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2007, 10:03:18 PM »
Saudi is one of the toughest quality control in the world. In every country there is a SASO and no product can pass the Customs without SASO Certificate.
Tinuod gyud ka Mac kay sa Riyadh wala gyud mo pasar ang atong Made-in-RP nga Silver Swan sauce. na recall pod

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« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2007, 10:05:22 PM »
I knew it was a mistake to use my picture as my avatar. 
There are maybe 1 or 2 textile factories back in my hometown. In the 70s/80s it was the main employer - with 10s of factories.
You're right about it being an opportunity for this country.  Some countries manage to sell at higher prices than China because they have more ethical employment practices and human rights.  The consumers prefer not to think of kids in sweatshops etc. so it give the brand more value.  Still, to be competitive with the rest of this region you would have to offer your workers only about 3000pesos per month for 12 hour days, 6 days a week. I guess 'ethical employment practices' is a very relative thing!

Actually, Mr. Ben, it is not too late for anybody to start with this kind of business, I mean in international level.

I am employed in a company importing home textiles, such as towels, bed sheets, comforters, pillows, rugs, bath mats..etc.

In my observation, buyers are not choosing based on brand but on the design. And quality of material is only a second criteria.

Since, we Boholanos has a unique and creative sense of design, I think we are competitive in this field.

We can import raw materials from China and Thailand and assemble it in Bohol and re-export it to the world.

This is just my idea and who knows it will become a big enterprise in Bohol if all of us will colaborate.

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« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2007, 10:22:30 PM »
i like that idea Macks, at least it could generate employment..


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« Reply #92 on: October 06, 2007, 10:26:11 PM »
why do we need to import ra materials from china and thailand?

don't we have cheap raw materials in the country?



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« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2007, 10:47:19 PM »
The Philippines economic plan is following the path of nations such as India and Malaysia, which is more service oriented. Look at the amount of foreign investment in the IT sphere in the country, as well as the rising banking systems in the country--and this will continue to rise as foreign demand for high skilled laborers in the Philippines is at hand. The Philippines, unlike China and Thailand, graduates thousands of highly skilled individuals in the engineering, medical, teaching, banking fields every year--and are employed abroad, unlike the manufacturing-oriented economies of the region.

Ate Belle did bring up a great point. Why would the Philippines need to import raw materials from Thailand and China considering the Philippines itself is endowed with rich natural resources? Forgive me for being limited in the fields of economics and marketing, perhaps Mr. Ferniz and others could care to explain this?
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« Reply #94 on: October 06, 2007, 10:49:15 PM »
uh-oh naa may bag-ong nagmata ani!!!

it's Ate C2 dong...

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« Reply #95 on: October 06, 2007, 10:50:42 PM »
yeah, fresh from banig atong, dodong?

dong, did you have sweet dreams last night?

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« Reply #96 on: October 06, 2007, 10:54:52 PM »
lol na cozy cozy jud ko, 'te. :) :)

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« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2007, 10:55:38 PM »
uh-oh naa may bag-ong nagmata ani!!!

it's Ate C2 dong...

Mao bitaw, sorry lang ha ate Belle.

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« Reply #98 on: October 06, 2007, 10:56:33 PM »

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« Reply #99 on: October 06, 2007, 10:59:00 PM »
gakos gakos jud kas imong unlan noh?

bahin sa topic,

sakto ka dodong,

we are gearing more towards service-oriented businesses...

our most notable exports are our people, working in every corner of the globe...

but it would be nice kung ma hatagan pud atensyon ang atong pag export ug mga products

right now, all i could think of nga pinaka daghan nato'g export, is our rattan furniture...

sa north america and europe, hit kaayo nang rattan...

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