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#25401
Facts and Trivia / Re: Kaila ka kinsa ning bataa?
January 26, 2013, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 22, 2013, 04:23:54 PM
Kaila ka kinsa ning bataa?





8)


sa nidako na nang bataa.
#25402
Photos Unlimited / Re: News images
January 26, 2013, 04:28:26 PM

Local residents ride on a bamboo raft in a flooded street in northern Jakarta, Indonesia. Government officials have downplayed predictions that heavy rain and rising tides due to the full moon could cause the worst flood in the past six years. (AP)
#25403
Photos Unlimited / Re: News images
January 26, 2013, 04:26:02 PM

#25404
Photos Unlimited / Re: News images
January 26, 2013, 04:21:55 PM
25 January 2013
http://blogs.voanews.com/


Egyptian protesters hang a giant banner in the colors of Egypt’s national flag on barbed wires in front of anti-riot soldiers at the entrance to the presidential palace in Cairo. (AP)
#25405
Photos Unlimited / Re: Karnero mo diha, barato ra...
January 26, 2013, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: chicogon on January 26, 2013, 12:45:18 AMDuhay piso? ;D

a dime a dozen ang kang lolla nga lamb.  this one is not for sale:

#25406
Bawal ang Epal campaign seeks to inform the beneficiaries that no one has the right to delist a beneficiary, except the DSWD when the beneficiary does not comply with the conditions of the program.

Pantawid Pamilya beneficiaries are given P500 per month for health and P300 per month per child for a maximum of three children, provided that they comply with these conditions, which include pre- and post-natal care, once a month preventive health check-ups, attendance to family development sessions for the parents and 85 percent school attendance for their children.

The Bawal ang Epal campaign will eliminate the misconception of the beneficiaries about the control of politicians over the Pantawid Pamilya program.

Acts of politicking should be reported to the DSWD or through hotline (0918) 9122813.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/
#25407
DSWD launches ‘anti-epal’ campaign as election nears

Saturday, January 26th, 2013

In line with the efforts of the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) to protect the integrity of its various social protection programs, especially the Pantawid Pamilyang Pilipino Program, a Bawal ang Epal campaign was launched.

The anti-epal campaign was due to reports of various politicians and groups threatening to delist beneficiaries from the human development program if they do not support them in the upcoming May elections.
#25408
Jokes and Humor / Re: Abtik
January 26, 2013, 11:02:09 AM
#25409
Weird and Extreme / Re: Death by urination
January 26, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
morag wa mao nga nangamatay intawon. ::)
#25410
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 26, 2013, 07:21:06 AM
May myosikal instromint...





8)

kaayo ra nga gikugihan pa gyod ug himo ani para manaygon.  wa lang i-flatten ang mga tansan for a better sound.  sayang.

the times they are a-changing... karon, ang mga batang manaygonay di na gani maningkamot ug himo agig puhunan ani nga musical instrument.  duha ra ka bato ang gigamit imbis tansan, gipukpok-pukpok against each other agig duyog sa kanta, morag cymbals.  diha poy usa, iya rang duha ka kamot ang duyog, pakpak-pakpak.  ma-impressed pa tingali ko kun tulo pa ka kamot.  pukpok, pakpak, bato, kamot.  how cheap naman.   
#25411
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 26, 2013, 07:20:10 AM
I'm sure your demons keep coming back... ;D

as surely as they go.  in fact, they come parading back every time i read your posts. ;D
#25412
Health and Food / Re: Ugly Truth About Bottled Water
January 26, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
purya gaba.  laina pod sa design sa iyahang portable water jug.  mora man ug niinom ug butong. :P
#25413
Jokes and Humor / Re: Abtik
January 26, 2013, 06:19:17 AM
dia na, sakpan na nako why...
(at yahoo answers)

TONTO (native american name) - well-endowed
GOLDSTEIN (jewish family name) - best lover
BUBBA (redneck name) - best stamina
#25414
Jokes and Humor / Re: Abtik
January 26, 2013, 06:07:31 AM
wa lagi ko ka-gets sa joke.  mangita kuno ko kinsa na si bubba.  igsoon ba kaha na ni bubble gum...
#25415

this is my first musical instrument, the 12-stringed laud (lute in english).  i was one of two who played this instrument in a rondalla when i was 13.

when i outgrew the rondalla, i switched to the guitar.  now i have my violin.

admittedly, i'm not good at any musical instrument.  being tone deaf renders me a slow learner.  thus i have to read notes (a slow note reader to boot) and memorize them because i can never go oido.  but i play anyway to drive away my demons.
#25416
Health and Food / Re: Ugly Truth About Bottled Water
January 26, 2013, 05:37:14 AM
paksit... tua na lagi.  na, hala, pangandoy pa mog inom ug ihi.  tiwasan hinoon mo ni flying segs ug orig nga drinker.  tan-awa, di ba lupig pay fresh buko sa freshness, direct from the source pa gyod.  en ader words, kadtong nangandoy, liwat sa unggoy, hahaha! 
#25417
ngano god tawon... i will work.  managan ug pauli ang uban, and i can have the whole office, including my boss's, hahaha! ;D
#25418
Photos Unlimited / Re: Homesick
January 25, 2013, 11:29:40 AM
my bonnie lies over the ocean
my bonnie lies over the sea
my bonnie lies over the ocean
bring back my bonnie to me...
#25419
Health and Food / Re: Ugly Truth About Bottled Water
January 25, 2013, 11:26:01 AM
atot.  surefire man pod nga manimaho tang angso ana.  wa na lang nga lisod tunlon.
#25420
as for not reading about the black nazarene in the bible... hey, can we read about filipinos in the bible?  does it mean we do not exist?
#25421
but then, you have to be a catholic to understand that, but since you're not, with due respect, i doubt that your religion, which i surmise is christian just like catholicism, teaches that black is bad.  it is because you seem to imply that just because the nazarene image at quiapo and the sto. niño image in cebu are black (already explained in previous posts as due to their having survived fires), they are thus misrepresentations of the beauty of jesus christ.  would these images have estimated the beauty of christ had their faces been painted white as a japanese kabuki? 
#25422
tabla ra diay ni sa moingon tag mahimong yatak-yatakan ug luwaan ang hulagway sa atong amahan ug inahan, sir fd.  sa akong bahin, bantay lang ang mobuhat ana.  out of reverence for my parents, i will not allow anyone to disrespect and deface their picture or image.  di na akong parents mismo kay ang pictures, aw, papel ra god na.  it is what those pictures represent that ought to be respected and revered.  that's the way it is with catholics; we revere symbols that represent our god and all the angels and saints.   
#25423
bored nga nagtan-aw ug parade passing by sa ubos.
#25424
Health and Food / Re: Ugly Truth About Bottled Water
January 25, 2013, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: islander on January 25, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
*Refilling stations bottle their water; this is non-compliance of DOH rules
*Fly-by-night “Garage Negosyo”
*Use of recycled containers and tap water

hear ye.  i knew this for a fact; i have seen this with my own eyes. 

except for small bottled water as emergency drink when i'm on the road (bought only from reputable grocery stores and not from ambulant vendors) we have stopped buying those 5-gallon household bottled water for over a year now.

what we did is to install our own filter (2 processes) and boil twice the filtered water.  that's our drinking water. 
#25425
Health and Food / Re: Ugly Truth About Bottled Water
January 25, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
Several issues dealing with the quality of commercial bottled water were raised in a technical forum sponsored by the National Academy of Science and Technology (NAST) and Kapisanang Kimika ng Pilipinas (KKP) during the Philippine Chemistry Congress last April 13, 2012 at EDSA-Shangrila Hotel, Metro Manila.

(1) Accreditation of laboratories by Department of Health (DOH) â€" proper term is “recognition”

*required laboratory space is too small
*qualifications of persons certifying reports of analysis and evaluating laboratories are in question
*issues on proficiency test and agencies involved in “DOH lab accreditation”

(2) Refilling stations
 
*The question on the proper monitoring of refilling stations by the DOH
*Sampling is done by refilling station owner, thus there is no assurance of sample integrity
*Labeling/mislabeling of bottled water containers; examples are oxygenated, ionized, iodine-fortified, etc.
*Refilling stations bottle their water; this is non-compliance of DOH rules
*Fly-by-night “Garage Negosyo”
*Use of recycled containers and tap water
*Contamination with algae especially when exposed to sunlight, giving  malodor and algal “lumot” taste
*The use of “spring water” which could have microbiological contamination, fertilizer and pesticide contamination

(3) Environmental issues

*Use of plastic PET bottles made from oil and natural gas which are non-renewable and may leach chemicals into the water
*Seventy five per cent of water bottles are thrown in the trash rather than recycled

more at http://www.nast.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=343:report-on-bottled-water-rtd&catid=1:news
#25426
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:48:59 AM
1
Spending Makes You Happy




There’s a wealth of evidence to suggest that consumer culture is linked to poor mental healthâ€"especially in children. A depressing study by The Children’s Society essentially blamed adverts for kids’ unrealistic expectations and often negative self-image. A separate study for UNICEF pointed to the cycle of consumerism as the cause of British children’s comparative misery.

We adults aren’t exactly immune either; those of us who put emphasis on wealth and material gain are more likely to become anxious and depressed when confronted with our lack of possessions, while this study concluded that simply being in “the consumer mindset” is enough to turn most of us into jerks. Yet marketers keep pushing the myth of the “happy shopper,” because if that were to collapse, consumer culture in its entirety would come crashing down.


About the author: Morris is a poverty-stricken freelance writer willing to work for food. He’s scared of Facebook and doesn’t tweet because he has nothing to say. You can send your helpful and less-than-helpful comments to morris.micklewhaite@gmail.com.

http://listverse.com/
#25427
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:43:54 AM
2
Choice is a Good Thing




The central tenet of advertising is that choice is a good thing. Not only is it common sense, it’s backed up by several studies. Eliminate choice and you’re left with a bleak world full of desperate people, which is why consumerism is such a godsend.

But it turns out that our consumer paradise isn’t exactly doing us many favors either. Our brains, it seems, are the mental equivalent of the jerk you always get stuck behind at checkouts. Faced with an abundance of options, we stress out about choosing the wrong one, become convinced we’ve made the wrong decision, and spend our time in perpetual anxiety.

One study offering participants a choice of two chocolates from either a box of six or a box of thirty found that people who were faced with the smaller box were generally satisfied, while those picking from the larger box reported more frustration and less satisfaction. Other studies into speed dating and pension plans produced similar results. It seems our brains freak out when given too many options, leaving us dissatisfied and unhappy.
#25428
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:37:17 AM
3
It’s Your Choice



How would Pepsi drinkers feel if they were told that they’re more likely to be uneducated, read terrible tabloids, watch lowbrow TV, never leave the country, and rarely leave the house?

All of those statements come from a heavily biased survey with no scientific merit. Yet some people will have read that and thought, “sounds about right”. That’s our old friend confirmation bias rearing its ugly head. The same brain-fart that can make a hardcore Dem believe George Bush had the IQ of asparagus is exploited by advertisers to make us want to buy their brand.

They call it “identity marketing:” the act of transforming consumer products into lifestyle choices. We don’t merely drink Coke; we are “Coke drinkers,” and our drink choice is an extension of ourselves.
#25429
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:35:18 AM
4
Branded Goods Are Better



Even people who are clued-up enough to understand that price doesn’t mean quality will often still be brand loyal. When a man of moderate means goes to buy coffee, and faces a choice between expensive Starbucks, mid-range Folgers and Maxwell House, and a forlorn-looking bag of Walmart own-brandâ€"the man is most likely to choose anything but Walmart.

But here’s the kicker: in a blind taste test, Walmart coffee scored higher than Folgers and Maxwell House, and equal to Starbucks. This wasn’t a one-off; similar tests have proven that people often can’t differentiate between cheap and expensive products.

This all takes a weird twist when you read about the Pepsi vs. Coke challenge. Blind tasters repeatedly named Pepsi the better drinkâ€"until they were told it was Pepsi, whereupon they quickly changed their minds.  Intrigued, scientists ran a brain scan and found out that the tasters were telling the truth about their enjoyment levels. Pepsi really did start tasting worse once people knew what it was.
#25430
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:32:31 AM
5
Quality is Objective



It sounds like a no-brainer: if one product fulfills its function (for example “being tasty” or “smelling good”) better than another, then its quality is better by all standards.

But that’s not exactly true. Our concept of “quality” can be pretty easily manipulated by advertising lies. Take the Italian lager Peroni. In the UK it’s an expensive premium drink; in Italy it’s cheap, bland swill for cheap, bland drunkards.

It turns out that human brains are hardwired to believe in hype. In a widely-reported study, researchers showed that people will believe a wine is of a high quality simply because they’re told it has a $90 price tag. Brands take advantage of this; packaging, pricing, and wording is designed to make you associate their product with quality, even when it’s quite possibly worse than the competition.
#25431
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:27:34 AM
6
It Really Does What They Say It Does



In the wake of SARS and other scares, the market for hand sanitizer was booming. People evidently thought it helpedâ€"but what caused this misconception?

That would be companies like Lysol and Kleenex. Around this time, they went out of their way to insinuate that their products would save us from infectionâ€"and many people lapped it up, despite the lack of evidence. You see examples of this all the time; one of them is the entire homeopath industry, which is based on a set of unverified statements. Yet we keep on buying those herbal remedies, even when confronted with empirical proof of their ineffectiveness.
#25432
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:25:33 AM
7
It Really Looks Like That



If you’re anything like me, you’ve probably lost count of the number of times you’ve drunkenly staggered into McDonalds, seduced by the warm smell and mouth-watering picturesâ€"only to wind up eating something that looks like it just came unstuck from the bottom of a hobo’s foot. It has become so endemic that one guy even started a photo blog just to compare the adverts with realityâ€"and the results are as depressing as they are expected.

Although companies are legally obliged to use real food in their promotional pictures, there’s no law saying they can’t airbrush it. Pots of glue, motor oil, brown shoe polish; if it can make that crappy burger look appetizing, food photographers will use it. So the moment we enter the store, we’re already suffering from unrealistic expectations.
#25433
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:08:41 AM
8
Experts Know What They’re Talking About



Most of us are big enough to admit that we don’t know everything. That’s why we look to experts: so that they can bring us up to speed on topics about which our knowledge may be lacking. Which is great and allâ€"except when the “experts” are jerks.

Last year, the drug company Pfizer was forced to shell out $60 million when it turned out that employees were bribing doctors to recommend their products. While this was a massive scandal, similar stuff crops up all the time. Whether it’s doctors rehashing company press-releases, or people making up credentials to sell you useless medicine, “experts” are often no more trustworthy than anyone else on the payroll.

We need to ask ourselves: is it more likely that a group of doctors really came to the conclusion that Walmart lard is good for our cholesterol, or that someone sent them a crate of champagne in exchange for a lazy quote?
#25434
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 05:06:14 AM
9
Numbers Mean Something



Most of us are familiar with the concept of “cherry picking;” that’s why we automatically tune out wild claims like “97% of women prefer Dove deodorant”. But numerical fudging affects entire industries. Fish oil is a good example: a couple of years ago a slew of companies triumphantly declared that trials had “proven” fish oil helped school children concentrate. They had data, figures, and serious-sounding statistics; they couldn’t be lying.

Except they could and they were. The data came from a laughably small study on Omega-3, not on fish oil. Meanwhile an actual study into fish oil proved that it made no difference whatsoever. Yet fish oil pill sales boomed. Turns out that stuff like this goes on all the time in the health industries.
#25435
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 25, 2013, 04:50:54 AM
Quote from: hofelina on January 23, 2013, 03:50:08 PM
The difference is that the success or failure of the persuasion advertisers use will affect individuals...

10 Advertising Lies We’ve All Been Fed

by Morris M., January 22, 2013

On an intellectual level, we know that adverts lie to us. No one seriously thinks that wearing Axe will get you laid or that changing toothpaste will make your smile more radiant. Yet there are certain basic assumptions we’ve become so used to making that we take them for granted â€" allowing canny advertisers to screw us over when we least expect it. I’m talking terrifyingly simple assumptions like:

10
Words Mean Something



Long, bitter experience has taught most of us that words like “deluxe” usually mean “anything but.” For example, take the McLean Deluxe, a McDonald’s flop that took “deluxe” to mean “full of water and seaweed”.

But what about words with clear definitions, like “light” or “low fat”? Well, last year the consumer group Which? ran a study that concluded the health difference between “light” and regular options was almost nonexistent. In one example, the study compared “light” with “normal” biscuits and found just eight calories of difference, while another measured the fat in “lighter” cheddar and concluded that it was still dangerously high.

The trouble is that advertisers play on the vast gap between a term’s legal meaning and its regular one. So while “lighter” cheddar may have the required thirty percent less fat, it’s still a guaranteed future coronary. Even worse are ambiguous words, which essentially get a free pass. So we get “premium” vodka that tastes like gasoline, and “improved” flavors that taste like lies.
#25436
Family & Parenting / Re: How fast time flies...
January 25, 2013, 02:47:11 AM


imagine no possessions, i wonder if you can...
#25437
Family & Parenting / Re: How fast time flies...
January 25, 2013, 01:19:29 AM


here comes the sun... and i say it's all right...
#25438
Family & Parenting / Re: How fast time flies...
January 25, 2013, 01:11:31 AM


we all live in a yellow submarine...
#25439
Family & Parenting / Re: How fast time flies...
January 25, 2013, 01:02:37 AM


yesterday, all my troubles seem so far away...
#25440
Photos Unlimited / Re: Coenobita violascens
January 24, 2013, 09:11:04 PM
is this a hermit crab, lorenz?  our little girl got two as a gift two years ago, complete with a brochure of instructions on how to care for them.  they're supposed to be pets.  malas.  under her care, they didn't survive long.
#25441
Family & Parenting / Re: How fast time flies...
January 24, 2013, 07:37:31 PM
The Rolling Stones











and then there were four...
#25442
General Topic / Re: Man's dream home for cats to enjoy
January 24, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
Even the bathroom has a commode next to the cat’s litter box - although thankfully there is a partition in between.

'Cat-proof' surfaces have also been used throughout which are resistant to scratches and easy to clean.

Designers at Asahi Kasei researched cat and human interaction before coming up with their cat home.


A caged outdoor area allows cats to get a breath of fresh air but not to escape

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
#25443
General Topic / Re: Man's dream home for cats to enjoy
January 24, 2013, 06:57:05 PM

The Japanese company studied cat and human interaction before coming up with the design for a perfect cat home


Window fencing allows cats to climb but not escape from the apartment
#25444
General Topic / Man's dream home for cats to enjoy
January 24, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
Does it come fully furnished? Dream home designed especially for cats to enjoy

*Japanese firm offers apartment built with favourite pets in mind
*Elevated platforms, cat flaps on every door and scratch-proof surfaces


By Steve Robson
Daily Mail
23 January 2013


It's the purrfect place for the ultimate cat lover to reside.

A Japanese house building company has designed a flat filled with features especially designed for favourite pets.

It includes elevated platforms, tunnels, cat flaps in every door, steps to wooden beams and viewing areas which are dispersed around the property.


The dream home for cats has features such as wooden beams around the each room and a litter box in the bathroom
#25445
Showbiz & Celebrity / Re: Mike and Shobel
January 24, 2013, 06:32:11 PM
wa lagi koy makit-an, hof. :)
#25446
General Topic / Re: How to detect a propaganda?
January 24, 2013, 05:04:16 PM

this, at least, is truthful.
#25447
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 24, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
Then do it gently, please...

na, hala, bugsay lang ang akong gamiton pagdukol ha?  di baseball bat. ;D
#25448
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 24, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Jawohl. Ich kann nicht anders.

samakatuwid, ala e, magtagalog tayo.  mula ngayon hanggang sa sinapupunan, pumasok kayo sa silid-aklatan at magbasa, huwag maghimbing at baka walang mangyayari sa guniguni mo, ginoong hubag (aka lord hubag, hihihi). ;D
#25449
aw, bahalag unsay edad, pangag o doble ba ug tango, we can be kind.  duklon sad ang angay duklon, hehehe. 
#25450
Introduce Yourself / Re: Picture of Yourself
January 24, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
she is.  morpa.
#25451
...and the die is cast.
#25452
ondoy: si lolo baya... kun wa mapangag, di mogara.  asows, para dat...
#25453
sayang.  naa na untay snow kun diha pay precipitation.  kumusta na kaha ang mga hayop intawon didto...
#25454
Quotable Quotes / Re: Kapag Mayaman... Kapag Mahirap
January 24, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 24, 2013, 04:36:13 PM
Mopilit sa nawong morag til-as? Agoi, may na lang kaysa molahos sa ganganga nga baba... :P

pwera ngangahay lang bi... mahadlok man sad ta ani mokaon ug half-cooked sunnyside-up.
#25455
Quotable Quotes / Re: Kapag Mayaman... Kapag Mahirap
January 24, 2013, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 24, 2013, 04:28:44 PM
Ipon sip-on na lang... :P

aaahhh, that one... so useful, in fact.  kalooy sa nawong sa mawilikan ani kay di pautang. ;D
#25456
not really.  even boxing the moon isn't such a bad deal than not using one's bony fists at all.  one fights for history.
#25457
Jokes and Humor / Re: Tinuod... Nothing But The Truth
January 24, 2013, 04:27:57 PM
mahimo sad nga ang kaha nga init maoy mapindot.  o ang keyboard maoy matilawan.
#25458
Quotable Quotes / Re: Kapag Mayaman... Kapag Mahirap
January 24, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
naa poy uban dinha moipon ug iphone.  puro snatched, hehe.
#25459
Quotable Quotes / Re: Kapag Mayaman... Kapag Mahirap
January 24, 2013, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 24, 2013, 04:23:31 PM
May gani kon naay maipon... :P

wa man hinoon klaroha unsay iponon.  mahimo man moipon ug utang ba.
#25460
usa baya ni ka abilidad ug politician.  wa gyoy politiko nga di moingon nga kandarapa sila ug trabaho, and his/her track record would show how good he/she is, mao nga angay gyod sila botaran kay they're honest and kind and industrious and self-sacrificing for love of the filipino people.
#25461
Gabriela Silang of the Philippines



María Josefa Gabriela Cariño Silang (March 19, 1731 â€" September 20, 1763) was the wife of the Ilocano insurgent leader, Diego Silang. Following Diego's assassination in 1763, she led the group for four months before she was captured and executed.

[...]Gabriela’s troops of 2000 fighters attacked the Spanish in Vigan on September 10, 1763. With a larger number of the Spanish troops, the 6000 men strong Spanish garrison was ready, with amassing Spanish, Tagalog, and Kapampangan soldiers, and Ilocano collaborators recruited from other regions to ambush her and rout her forces. Many were killed. She escaped, alongside Cariño and seven others, but were caught on September 20, 1763. They were summarily hanged.

Her unique policy of harassment was so successful that the name generala, which was given to her by the masses, struck terror to the Spanish troops and to Ilocanos who collaborated with Spain. (wikipedia)
#25462
Agustina of Aragon
March 4, 1786 â€" May 29, 1857



Agustina de Aragón was a Spanish heroine who defended Spain during the Spanish War of Independence, first as a civilian and later as a professional officer in the Spanish Army. So badass were her actions that she became known as “the Spanish Joan of Arc”. When war broke out in 1808, in her small Spanish town, she took a basket of apples to feed the gunners. When she arrived she saw the Spanish soldiers take heavy losses to the French army, causing the Spaniards to flee. Instead of running away, Agustina ran to the cannons and began to defend the town on her own. The sight of her doing this gave the Spaniards the courage to return and help. After a bloody struggle, the French gave up the assault on Zaragosa and abandoned their siege for a few short weeks, before returning to fight their way into the city, house-by-house which ultimately won them the town. After being captured by the French, she was imprisoned but she subsequently mounted a daring escape and became a low-level rebel leader for the guerrilleros, helping to organize raids and attacks that harassed the French. On June 21, 1813, she acted as a front line battery commander at the Battle of Vitoria, under the command of Major Cairncross. This battle was to see the French Army that had occupied Spain effectively smashed beyond repair and driven out. She eventually married a doctor and lived the rest of her life in peace, proudly wearing her battle medals.

-from http://listverse.com/2011/01/22/top-10-incredible-badasses-you-dont-know/
#25463
more warrior women of note who are not in the top 10 list:

Tomoe Gozen
1157 â€" 1247



Two words sum up this amazing woman: concubine, warrior. Tomoe Gozen was an extremely rare thing: a female samurai warrior. Here is what a historical account of her says: “Tomoe was especially beautiful, with white skin, long hair, and charming features. She was also a remarkably strong archer, and as a swordswoman she was a warrior worth a thousand, ready to confront a demon or a god, mounted or on foot. She handled unbroken horses with superb skill; she rode unscathed down perilous descents. Whenever a battle was imminent, Yoshinaka sent her out as his first captain, equipped with strong armor, an oversized sword and a mighty bow; and she performed more deeds of valor than any of his other warriors.” High praise indeed for a male dominated nation, in the 13th century. This warrior woman was also a concubine of Minamoto no Yoshinaka, a revered Japanese general. When he was defeated on the battle field, the sexist pig told Tomoe to leave as he would be ashamed to die with a woman. She went on to behead many, slaughter many, and retire to a quiet life as a nun. Yes â€" a nun.

-from http://listverse.com/2011/01/22/top-10-incredible-badasses-you-dont-know/
#25464
don't twit an old dog, one who's a great survivor at that, alan.  besides, you're all the same there.  the headiness of power takes away any vestige of conscience that makes for honesty.
#25465
Quote from: bugsay on January 23, 2013, 10:52:47 AMkuyawa diay no?...;D
Quote from: islander on January 23, 2013, 10:58:24 AMyou mean, you know a male someone who has been molested by a female?  talkin' dog... ::)
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 24, 2013, 11:53:20 AM
Naa, oi. Gikuyawan man gani siya... ;D

okay, okay... nakasabot na ko.  it's no longer a talkin' dog. ;D
#25466
1
Tamar of Georgia
13th Century AD



Tamar (sometimes known as Tamara) was the daughter of the Georgian King Giorgi III. Her father declared her co-ruler and heir apparent to prevent dispute after his death. After the death of her father, Tamar gained a reputation as an outstanding ruler and was dubbed “King of Kings and Queen of Queens” by her people. Her reign saw the bringing to heel of almost every neighboring Muslim state. Tamar played an active military role as the commander of her army. During her reign the kingdom reached the apex of its political, economic and cultural might. In 1201-1203, Georgians took and annexed the Armenian capitals of Ani and Dvin. In 1204, Tamar’s army occupied the city of Kars. In 1204, Tamar helped to found the Empire of Trebizond on the southern shore of the Black Sea (whose capital is now the Turkish city of Trabzon). Queen Tamar died in 1213.

http://listverse.com/
#25467
2
Zenobia
3rd Century AD



Septima Zenobia governed Syria from about 250 to 275 AD. She led her armies on horseback wearing full armor and during Claudius’ reign defeated the Roman legions so decisively that they retreated from much of Asia Minor. Arabia, Armenia and Persia allied themselves with her and she declared herself Queen of Egypt by right of ancestry. Claudius’ successor Aurelian sent his most experienced legions to conquer Zenobia but it took almost 4 years of battles and sieges before her capital city of Palmyra fell and Zenobia along with nine other martial queens of allied provinces were paraded through the streets of Rome in chains. Aurelian exiled Zenobia to Tibur. Her daughters married into influential Roman families and her line continued to be important in Roman politics for almost three centuries. Mavia, was Queen of the Bedouin Saracens from 370 to 380 AD. She led her troops in defeating a Roman army then made a favorable peace and married her daughter to the Roman commander in chief of the eastern Emperor Valens.
#25468
3
St Joan of Arc
15th Century AD



Saint Joan of Arc appeared before the Crown Prince of France after receiving visions she claimed were from God telling her to fight to take France back from the English late in the Hundred Years’ War. The uncrowned King Charles VII sent her to the siege at Orléans. She gained great recognition after she was able to lift the siege in only nine days. After several more swift victories, she led Charles VII to his coronation at Rheims. She is the only person ever recorded to have commanded the entire army of a nation at the age of seventeen. Despite sustaining wounds to the neck and head, she continued to lead the country to victory repeatedly. She was tried for heresy in a false court and burnt at the stake. Her trial was declared invalid by the Pope and she was canonized as a saint many years later.
#25469
4
Ahhotep I
16th Century BC



Ahhotep I was such an important figure in the early New Kingdom that she is considered to have been a pivotal figure in the founding of the eighteenth dynasty. She had a long and influential life and ruled as regent after the death of her father. She enabled her two sons (Kamose and Ahmose I) to unite Egypt after the Hyskos occupation. She was instrumental in driving the Hyskos invaders out of Egypt. She lived until the age of ninety and was buried beside Kamose at Thebes.

    She is the one who has accomplished the rites and taken care of Egypt… She has looked after her soldiers, she has guarded her, she has brought back her fugitives and collected together her deserters, she has pacified Upper Egypt and expelled her rebels.

Weapons and jewelry found in the tomb of Ahhotep I include an axe depicting Ahmose I striking down a Hyskos soldier, and flies in honor for the queen in her role against the Hyskos. She was considered a warrior Queen and was presented with the Order of Valor. She was honored with a stela, commissioned by Ahmose I in the temple of Amun-Re that praises her military accomplishments.
#25470
5
Fu Hao
1200 BC



Fu Hao was a consort of King Wu Ding of the Shang dynasty. She also (unusually for that time) served as a high priestess and military general. Her tomb (image above) was discovered in Yinxu (the ruins of the Shang Capital, Yin) full intact with her treasures. She is known to modern scholars mainly from inscriptions on Shang dynasty oracle bone artifacts. In the inscriptions she is shown to have lead many military campaigns. The Tu fought again the Shang for many generations until Fu Hao finally defeated them in a single battle. Further campaigns against the neighbouring Yi, Qiang, and Ba were to follow â€" with the latter being particularly well known as the earliest recorded large scale ambush in Chinese history. With over 13,000 troops, she was the most powerful military leader of her time.
#25471
6
Artemisia I of Caria
5th Century BC



Artemisia I of Caria became the ruler of Ionia as a client of the Persians. She is best remembered for her participation in the Battle of Salamis (image above). She alone counseled the King of Persia (Xerxes) not to meet the Greeks at sea and do battle. Nevertheless he did not heed her advice and she participated in the battle in September 480 BC as the commander of five ships. At one point in the battle the Greeks were close to capturing her trireme when she devised a cunning plan to escape. She had her own ship bear down on another Persian ship causing the Greeks to think that she was fighting on their side. When she sank the ship the Greeks left her alone. Xerxes watching from a nearby hill also assumed that she had defeated an enemy ship and praised her for her bravery. Xerxes was so full of praise for her that he said: “My men have turned into women and my women into men!”. Artemisia tried to convince Xerxes to retreat to Asia Minor against the advice of his other generals. Ultimately the Persians suffered a great defeat.
#25472
7
Trung Sisters
1st Century AD



The Trung Sisters were Vietnamese military leaders who managed to repel Chinese invasions for over three years. They are regarded as national heroines of Vietnam. They were born during the thousand-year Chinese occupation. After fighting off a small Chinese unit from their village, they assembled an army mostly consisting of women. Within months they had taken back many regions from the Chinese and had liberated Nam Viut. They became queens of the country and resisted all further attacks from the Chinese for two years. Eventually the Chinese formed a large army to crush the sisters and their army. Legend has it that the Chinese army went in to battle totally naked in order to shame the women soldiers in to defeat. Despite a heroic effort on the part of the sisters, the Chinese overcame their army. To protect their honor and to avoid ridicule at the hands of the Chinese, the two queens committed suicide by drowning themselves in the Hát river.
#25473
8
Boudicca
1st Century AD



Boudicca was a Queen of the people of Norfolk who lead an uprising against the occupying forces of the Roman Empire. Her husband had left his kingdom jointly to his daughters and the Roman Emperor when he died, but the Romans did not acknowledge the joint rule â€" they simply took full control. It was reported that Boudica was flogged and her daughters raped. She was eventually chosen as the leader of her people and their neighbors to lead an assault on the Romans. Her army had great success in their battles â€" and in fact completely demolished the city of Camulodunum (Colchester). Tacitus said that the Britons had no desire to take prisoners â€" they simply slaughtered everyone in their path. Dio said that the noble Roman women were beheaded and had their breasts cut off and sewn to their mouths. Ironically, the great anti-imperialist rebel is now identified with the head of the British Empire, and her statue stands guard over the city she razed to the ground.
#25474
9
Triu Th'Trinh
225 AD



Triu Th'Trinh was a Vietnamese warrior from the 3rd century who successfully resisted the occupying forces of the Wu Kingdom during their time in Vietnam. She was born in the Trieu Son district of Thanh Hoa province (now in Northern Vietnam). At the time of her birth, the area was controlled by the Eastern Wu Kingdom, one of China’s three Kingdoms. She was orphaned at a young age and was raised by her brother and his wife as a slave until the age of 20. She escaped from her brother’s home and fled to the jungle where she built up an army of at least 1,000 men and women soldiers. Tri?u Trinh managed to liberate an area of Vietnam which she then claimed as her own. By the age of 23 she had defeated at least 30 Wu advances. It was said that she rode in to battle on the back of an elephant whilst wearing golden armor and carrying two swords.
#25475
Top 10 Badass Female Warriors

This is a list of the greatest female warriors through history. In order to be selected for this list, the woman has had to be someone who fought in battle herself, not just commanding from a distance, and she had to be real â€" for this reason people like Hua Mulan are not included as there is a lot of doubt about their historical existence.

10
Gudit
960 AD



Gudit (also known as Judit) was a non-Christian queen who ruled D?mt around 960 AD. She laid waste to Axum (the then-Sacred capital of Ethiopia â€" image above) and its countryside. She destroyed monuments and churches and attempted to wipe out all of the members of the ruling dynasty (descendants of the Queen of Sheba). Her activities are recorded in oral tradition and in various historical records. It is believed that she killed the emperor and took over his throne where she reigned for 40 years. Tales of her violence and history are still told by peasants in the North Ethiopian communities. It is traditionally believed that she sacked and destroyed Debre Damo, the treasury and prison for male relatives of the King of Ethiopia.
#25476
some millennia late, this lifting of the ban on women in combat.
#25477
How To Tips / Re: How to save money in 2013
January 24, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
let me begin by asking how to earn so i will have what ought to be saved...
#25478
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 24, 2013, 09:42:45 AM
10. The color of the black box in a commercial airplane


An example of a flight data recorder; the underwater locator beacon is the small cylinder on the far right. (English translation of warning message: FLIGHT RECORDER DO NOT OPEN)

A flight data recorder (FDR) (also ADR, for accident data recorder) is an electronic device employed to record any instructions sent to any electronic systems on an aircraft. It is a device used to record specific aircraft performance parameters. Another kind of flight recorder is the cockpit voice recorder (CVR), which records conversation in the cockpit, radio communications between the cockpit crew and others (including conversation with air traffic control personnel), as well as ambient sounds. In this both functions have been combined into a single unit. The current applicable FAA TSO is C124b titled Flight Data Recorder Systems.


Flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder

Popularly referred to as a "black box" by the media, the data recorded by the FDR is used for accident investigation, as well as for analyzing air safety issues, material degradation and engine performance. Due to their importance in investigating accidents, these ICAO-regulated devices are carefully engineered and stoutly constructed to withstand the force of a high speed impact and the heat of an intense fire.


After the crash of Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907, Brazilian Air Force personnel recover the flight data recorder of PR-GTD, the Boeing 737-8EH used for the flight, in the Amazon Rainforest in Mato Grosso, Brazil.

Contrary to the "black box" reference, the exterior of the FDR is coated with heat-resistant bright orange paint for high visibility in wreckage
, and the unit is usually mounted in the aircraft's empennage (tail section), where it is more likely to survive a severe crash. Following an accident, the recovery of the FDR is usually a high priority for the investigating body, as analysis of the recorded parameters can often detect and identify causes or contributing factors. (wikipedia)

so why is it called 'black box' to begin with?

Early flight data recorders were literally boxes painted black, hence the term "Black Boxes". It wasn't until 1965 they were required to be painted bright orange or bright yellow to make them easier to find at a crash scene. The term "Black" also often implies death and the last moments of fatal flights are often revealed throught the FDR. Perhaps this is a reason the moniker stuck even after the devices were painted. (http://answers.yahoo.com/)


2009: The black box of Air France flight AF447 at the bottom of the Atlantic
#25479
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 24, 2013, 09:18:05 AM
9. Chinese gooseberries in New Zealand

chinese gooseberry sounds unfamiliar.  but say 'kiwi', and most of us know what it is.



and yes, it's commonly understood that it comes from new zealand.  and yet...

The fuzzy kiwifruit is native to southern China, and has been declared a National Fruit of China. Other species of Actinidia are native to India, Japan, and southeastern Siberia. Cultivation of the fuzzy kiwifruit spread from China in the early 20th century, when seeds were introduced to New Zealand by Mary Isabel Fraser, the principal of Wanganui Girls' College, who had been visiting mission schools in Yichang, China. The seeds were planted in 1906 by a Wanganui nurseryman, Alexander Allison, with the vines first fruiting in 1910. (wikipedia)


A kiwi orchard in New Zealand

why it's now 'kiwi" and not 'chinese gooseberry':

As the local popularity of this fruit increased, New Zealanders discarded the old Chinese name for the fruit (mí hóu táo) in favor of the name Chinese Gooseberry. When the export market to the United States started to grow the fruit it was marketed under the invented name melonette as US-China relations were not positive. The San Francisco importer at Ziel & Co suggested that this name was unsuitable, as both melons and berries attracted high duties. It was proposed that the fruit be named after the kiwi, New Zealand’s national symbol, as the bird and the fruit share a similar appearance (small, brown and furry). "Kiwifruit" was used as a global brand for marketing the fuzzy kiwifruit, but was not registered internationally as a trademark. Kiwifruit has since become a common name for all commercially grown fruit from the family Actinidia.(wikipedia)


New Zealand's national bird, the kiwi bird after which the fruit was named
#25480
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 24, 2013, 09:16:59 AM
most welcome, hof.  always have been aswang for trivia, always will be. :)
#25481
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
8. The purple finch

[Purple finch] adults have a short forked brown tail and brown wings and are about 15 cm (4 in) in length and weigh 34 g (1.2 oz).


male purple finch
Adult males are raspberry red on the head, breast, back and rump; their back is streaked.


female purple finch
Adult females have light brown upperparts and white underparts with dark brown streaks throughout; they have a white line on the face above the eye.

-data and images from wikipedia

So why is it called a purple finch?

The color purple (historically) is a mixture where red was more prominent than blue. Royal purple is referred to as crimson, which is the color that appears on the Purple Finch. Most people see the purple finch as being a raspberry color. (http://answers.yahoo.com/)
#25482
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 06:34:58 PM
7. King George VI

George VI or Albert Frederick Arthur George (14 December 1895 â€" 6 February 1952) was King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Commonwealth from 11 December 1936 until his death. He was the last Emperor of India, and the first Head of the Commonwealth.

***

George's elder brother ascended the throne as Edward VIII on the death of their father in 1936. However, later that year Edward revealed his desire to marry the divorced American socialite Wallis Simpson. British Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin advised Edward that for political and religious reasons he could not marry Simpson and remain king. Edward abdicated in order to marry, and George ascended the throne as the third monarch of the House of Windsor.

During George's reign the break-up of the British Empire and its transition into the Commonwealth of Nations accelerated. (wikipedia)


King George VI


he is the father of that baby who is now...

...this:


Queen Elizabeth II
#25483
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 06:18:59 PM
6. The Canary Islands in the Pacific

Contrary to its name, the islands have little to nothing to do with the canary bird. Rather, it is the bird that is named after the islands, not the converse. The name Islas Canarias is likely derived from the Latin name Canariae Insulae, meaning "Island of the Dogs", a name applied originally only to Gran Canaria. According to the historian Pliny the Elder, the Mauritanian king Juba II named the island Canaria because it contained "vast multitudes of dogs of very large size". (wikipedia)


The Canary Islands (Spanish: Islas Canarias), also known as the Canaries (Spanish: Canarias), is a Spanish archipelago located just off the northwest coast of mainland Africa, 100 km west of the border between Morocco and the Western Sahara. The Canaries is one of Spain's 17 autonomous communities and an outermost region of the European Union. The islands include (from largest to smallest): Tenerife, Fuerteventura, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, La Palma, La Gomera, El Hierro, La Graciosa, Alegranza, Isla de Lobos, Montaña Clara, Roque del Este and Roque del Oeste. (wikipedia)
#25484
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
5. Camel hair brush

A "camel" brush is not made of camel hair. It is a generic term for soft-haired brushes that are made of various inexpensive hairs such as pony, bear, sheep, and lesser grades of squirrel mixed together and supposedly named after the man who originated it. Camel hair brushes received their name from "Mr. Camel"*, who invented them. (http://www.brushes-manufacturers.com/)




and they're used for application of cosmetics and as artists' painting tools

i don't know if anyone had tried brushing a pet camel's hair with this brush.

*some sites say it's a german guy named "kemmel".
#25485
i hope she is spared the execution.
#25486
Fashion Trend / Re: Hypnotic
January 23, 2013, 05:26:30 PM
hubag's girls...






;D
#25487
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 03:59:14 PM
4. Russia celebrates the October Revolution in November

At the time of the revolution, the Russian Empire still was using the ancient Julian calendar, which had been discarded some 150 years earlier by most Western countries. The result was that each day in Russia was dated 13 days earlier than the same day in the West.

According to the old calendar, the date of the Bolshevik revolution was October 25. But according to the new Gregorian calendar, the date actually was November 7.

Only after the Bolsheviks established the Soviet Union did the country adopt the new calendar. So it was the Bolsheviks themselves who were responsible for changing the date of their October Revolution of October 25 to the national celebration November 7. (http://wiki.answers.com/)


Much-publicized photo purporting to show the storming of the Winter Palace, October 1917. It is in fact from a Bolshevik re-enactment staged as a civic spectacle on the third anniversary of the action. The actual fighting at the Palace took place at night and there were no cameras present. (http://www.nevsky88.com/)
#25488
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 03:49:59 PM
3. Catgut

Catgut is a type of cord that is prepared from the natural fibre found in the walls of animal intestines. Usually sheep or goat intestines are used, but it is occasionally made from the intestines of cattle, hogs, horses, mules, or donkeys.
***
The word catgut may have been an abbreviation of the word "cattlegut". Alternatively, it may have derived by folk etymology from kitgut or kitstring â€" the word kit, meaning fiddle, having at some point been confused with the word kit for a young cat. (wikipedia)


catgut is used as strings for musical instruments, more commonly before synthetics came in.



Catgut isn’t just used for instruments, but is also often used in very high quality tennis rackets; bow-strings; for hanging weights on high-end clocks; and sometimes used for stitching wounds, though that practice has gradually given way to using cotton and synthetic threads, which seem to make wounds less prone to infection. (http://www.todayifoundout.com/)
#25489
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 03:13:23 PM
hala, si banana republic akong gi-test ani.  he got 7 out of 10.  suya lagi ko.  i only got 4, honest. 8) senior citizens na gyod diay tingali mi, hihihi. ;D
#25490
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
2.  Panama hats

A Panama hat (sometimes informally among hat enthusiasts, just a Panama) is a traditional brimmed hat of Ecuadorian origin that is made from the plaited leaves of the toquilla straw plant (Carludovica palmata).

Straw hats woven in Ecuador, like many other 19th and early 20th century South American goods, were shipped first to the Isthmus of Panama before sailing for their destinations in Asia, the rest of the Americas and Europe. For some products, the name reflects their point of international sale rather than their place of domestic origin; hence "Panama hats". (wikipedia)


A Panama hat
#25491
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 02:55:36 PM
the war was not really fought continuously for a hundred or 116 years.  rather, it was a series of wars, a succession of conflicts, that covered that period.  thus:

The war is commonly divided into three or four phases, separated by truces: the Edwardian Era War (1337â€"1360), the Caroline War (1369â€"1389) and the Lancastrian War (1415â€"1453), which saw the slow decline of Plantagenet fortunes after Joan of Arc (1412â€"1431) appeared. Contemporary European conflicts directly related to this conflict were the Breton War of Succession, the Castilian Civil War, the War of the Two Peters, and the 1383-1385 Crisis. The term "Hundred Years' War" was a term invented later by historians to encompass the events. (wikipedia)


The Battle of Crécy


English and Franco-Castilian fleets at the Battle of La Rochelle


Henry V and the English army at the Battle of Agincourt


Joan of Arc rallies French forces at the Siege of Orléans
#25492
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
curious that i am, here's digging deeper...


1.  The Hundred Years' War (1337-1453)

The Hundred Years' War was a series of conflicts waged from 1337 to 1453 between the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of France and their various allies for control of the French throne. It was the result of a dynastic disagreement dating back to William the Conqueror who became King of England in 1066, while remaining Duke of Normandy. As dukes of Normandy and other lands on the continent, the English kings owed homage to the King of France. In 1337 Edward III of England refused to pay homage to Philip VI of France, leading the French king to claim confiscation of Edward's lands in Aquitaine.

Edward responded by declaring that he, not Philip, was the rightful king of France - a claim dating to 1328 when Charles IV of France had died without a male heir. A claim for the succession had been made for Edward through the right of his mother Isabella, daughter of Philip IV. Instead, the son of Philip IV’s younger brother, Charles of Valois, had been crowned king. The question of legal succession to the French crown was central to the war over generations of English and French claimants. (wikipedia)
#25493
Philippine Education / Re: difficult senior exams
January 23, 2013, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: hofelina on January 20, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
What do you mean, you failed?

Me, too.

(And if you try to tell me you passed, you LIED!)

hahaha!  arang siawa.
#25494
terrifying.  i hope ginger's death was fast with a minimum of pain.  at least, he died fighting.
#25495
hehehe, way to go, asawa.  sundog aning final solution.
#25496
Introduce Yourself / Re: Picture of Yourself
January 23, 2013, 11:44:12 AM
cute.  such happy faces.  did you by chance also get to meet the webmaster, tigs, and the cats of raqz?
#25497
at least happy ending, loll.  at least pod wa pa ka magdagkot ug kandila para ani niya (oops, sorry for the seeming irreverence...)
#25498
intawon.  kun supak ang bana, mas maayo nga motuo na lang baya unta ang asawa.  mora man god nig insulto sa bana nga wa tawon makaprobitso ug sakto. 
#25499
Question and Answer / Re: Ano gid ginapanghambog mo?
January 23, 2013, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: Chongki on January 23, 2013, 10:52:35 AM
bai hubs, kinsa may guidimalas ron?

tubag dajon, lord hubag.  ajaw ug lihay-lihay diha. ;D
#25500
Question and Answer / Re: Ano gid ginapanghambog mo?
January 23, 2013, 11:00:22 AM
Quote from: hubag bohol on January 23, 2013, 09:46:23 AM
Oi, manugpadala kagid sang abuloy sang mga ginadimalas haw, bason sumamot hang imon nga pagkapogito... ;D

pogitito lang ang sangpotan sa indi magpadala.