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Additional One Year in All Degree Coures in College.
« on: January 31, 2009, 10:51:18 AM »
Today's reality indicates that the Philipines is left behind in economic progress by almost
every country in the world including Asian countries like Japan, China, Singapore, South
Korea and others. Even Vietman which , not too long ago was a war zone. It starting now
to overtake us.

The simple solution is to improve the quality of our education and everything else will move
forward.

In the third International Mathematics and Science Study involving 40 countries, our
country ended up third to the last in Mathematics and second to the last in science ahead
only of South Africa. The result reflects the state of our country, which is characterized by
incompetence, and why poverty is prevalent.

To be more competing globally, is it  necessary that we will add one year in college for
all degree courses.?

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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 12:51:33 PM »
are they from UP or Ateneo or some classy schools of the country?
how were they picked to represent philippines to compete?

well, for me, another year in college means only one thing: more MONEY (oy caps).

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 08:36:58 PM »
kini polong ni Sir Felix. We should improve the quality of education and teaching. Our system is antiquated and the teaching forces are poorly paid. The best teachers are mostly in abroad now.
Here is Germany, there  are lots of sick teachers, I,  as  parent has to make a follow-up and if possible gives my kid some materials to put more substance in his learning. Apil pod ko or tuon kay akong mang pangutan-on.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 11:46:00 PM »
How about adding years sa mo take ug education lang?

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 05:07:55 AM »
murag dili lang man siguro added number of years ang kinahanglan para mosaka ang kalidad sa edukasyon sa Pilipinas... 

kung buot huna hunaon, nganong maglisud man ug sabot ang estudyante sa pagsabot sa magtutudlo? usa ka rason atong maingon ang linggwahe nga gigamit... mao tingali nga dili ma grasp sa estudyante ang leksiyon kay hamabaw ra ang pagsabot niya tungod sa kining gitawag tang language barriers...

usa pa ka rason ang teaching strategy nga gigamit sa magtutudlo... kung by the book ra kaayo ang teacher, na... unsaon na lang...

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 06:00:34 AM »
kung usa ra ka tuig, does it really make a difference?
ang kalidad, adto na gyud unta magsugod sa ubos
nga ang-ang nga pagtoon

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 07:14:11 AM »
highschool ang dapat dugangan..

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 07:46:40 AM »
bitaw oi... ang problema sa atoa sad... ang basics malimtan kay sigeg huna huna pag ayo sa mga komplikadong butang... if i semento sa mga utok sa estudyante ang mga basic theories nga kinahanglan mahibaw an, i think mahan ay ra ang tanan in the course of learning...

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2009, 07:50:49 AM »
Agree ko ani ligiah,. karun kay murag jack of all trades, master of none.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2009, 04:10:15 PM »
Tungod  ba kaha kay ang Pilipino karon, Taglish naman ang namaster, (Tagalog English). Ngano man ang Japan, dili sila master sa english pero highly industrialized man.?

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2009, 05:02:15 PM »
try to  imagine a Filipino classroom scene (this is based on observations and experience):

the theories are presented in English, and the explanations can be explained in pure English or the mother tongue (tagalog, cebuano) and english.

If the teacher explains in a mixed language, this is the possibility. when it comes for the student to explain, he most probably would be required by the teacher to use English as a medium. But since the student understood it in his own mother tongue, he would find it hard to use English words in his explanation. He/ she knows the answer, but just could not get it out of his mind. He has the tendency to lose his confidence in class.

 If the teacher explains everything in complicated English, the students would find it hard to grasp the theory, let alone explain it.

everything goes back to basics... simplification... and consistency in the language that is used in a classroom setting.

Let this be heeded by teachers...



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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 06:23:46 PM »
our math teacher back in highschool used basic English words. nya maglibog na gane mi sa process, he'll speak in vernacular. which was really helpful.

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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2009, 06:51:53 PM »
Hinuon, murag 4 or 4 ra ka degree courses and naay additional nga usa ka tuig.

Thse 5 courses as planned have already been having extra summer classes sana sa engineering, architecture, nursing...

So if kwarat ang pasanginlan, murag dili kaayo ka epekto kay daan na man jud nga sige pud ug kuha sa summer ang mga estudyante, which is ilang gigastohan sad.

Kon kapun-an ug usa ka tuig kining mga kursoha, wala na man say summer terms.

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 08:56:16 PM »
We must go back to basics. That's what we need if we want to improve the quality of our students. All are eyeing for one additional year in college which is I think, is too late. When we talk about going back to basic, then overhaul the eductional system from pre-school, and then grade school. The present system introduces so many subjects in these levels which often confused our young students whose parents also are out of grasp about so many topics. The so called 'Parents Participation' to help them cope up, is really necessary on the present set-up or syllabi. This presumption is true only to well educated parents whose time is focused on the school performance of their children. How about the working parents, who just leave the care of their children to their 'yayas'? One could not really avoid hiring private tutor to take care of the battery of assignments in school which is another expense. If not children have nowhere else to go but loss their interest to strive and learn more in school.

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2009, 09:10:49 PM »
unsa may gipasabot aning "quality" nga gusto nilang maabot sa mga college students?
i believe many of our graduates are highly qualified, and have quality.

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2009, 09:36:28 PM »
Glace, kon quality ang atong hisgotan looy jod kaajo. I could speak only about the young bunch of Filipino Engineers, which field I also belong. Even graduates of the prestigious schools (UP, Mapua, La Salle, etc.) parehas lang. Basic theories, wala ni sila. (I based this sad experience during every screening of job applicants.) They know only the formulas, but nowhere in their minds could they prove where the simple formulas were derived from? Take for example, formulas of plane areas, surface areas, and volumes of solids. In estimating project costs, we need all these principles to arrive at the nearest quantity. The more the error you have, the more the quality of your job weakens. Very surprising! Even the simplest formula of deriving the surface area of a triangle which I often include in my exams, no one was able to get the right approach. When I shew them how, they just answered, "Sir nakalimutan na namin yon." See? Kini tungod kay they do not consider much the importance of the basic principles which are the essential parts of achieving the right quality of education they should have.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2009, 09:45:51 PM »
mao ba. pero di pod tanan lagi.
pero, mao na, if we need to improve the quality
i don't think adding one more year in college is the answer
you're correct, go back to the basics


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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2009, 10:03:17 PM »
kung usa ra ka tuig, does it really make a difference?
ang kalidad, adto na gyud unta magsugod sa ubos
nga ang-ang nga pagtoon


Glacier imo ning nga komentar, sakto ka ni-ini!
The quality of education starts from the basic,  that means at home, then we have our elementary, high school and so on.
Assuming we have very qualified teachers, the rooms are congested. The number of students are too much to handle causing so much stress for students and teacher.

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2009, 10:10:42 PM »
yup. you're right, manay.
the quality education is not juts achieved by its competent mentors.
it's also about the place in general if it's conducive to learning.
which we have lacked in our country's education system.

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2009, 11:13:08 PM »
Mastery of the basic principles is no longer emphasized in school because the present educational set-up is aimed at coping up with global competitiveness. This set-up is equivalent to 'speed learning process' , a process almost similar to what is used in graduate schools. Subject or topic syllabi have shorter time allotments which unable a mentally average teacher to expound further the topic and check the level of comprehesion of the students. What complicates the matter is the 'bahala na' attitude of the teachers. Then, when the pupils flunk in the exams, they pass their responsibilities to the parents for lack of encouragement and supervision. How could we attain our goal with the kind of teachers we have now? Mostly, grade school teachers assigned in classrooms are average or below, mentally (sorry for my sweeping generalization). How could we expect students to become excellent? Best teachers are rarely assigned as classroom teachers. They are getting higher positions as principals, supervisors and superintendents because they were able to pursue graduate studies out of their above average mentality.

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2009, 08:51:26 AM »
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unsa may gipasabot aning "quality" nga gusto nilang maabot sa mga college students?
i believe many of our graduates are highly qualified, and have quality


as far as i can recall, there is one school sa atoa nga naghatag ur real quality ug ideal education.

PMI.

Ang majority sa ilang estudyante adto makit-an sa quality kon di gali, adto sa ideal.

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2009, 09:30:46 AM »
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unsa may gipasabot aning "quality" nga gusto nilang maabot sa mga college students?
i believe many of our graduates are highly qualified, and have quality


as far as i can recall, there is one school sa atoa nga naghatag ur real quality ug ideal education.

PMI.

Ang majority sa ilang estudyante adto makit-an sa quality kon di gali, adto sa ideal.

haahahahhaa. ijag inig makatrabaho sa barko, puro na dagat ang palibot...mao tingali gipabong-bong og suroy

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »
Adding one year in college will open more employments for teachers and instructors in colleges and universities.  Its quite a good move to improve  our educational system and besides add employments.

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2009, 03:58:07 PM »
Bai Felix, that defeats the real purpose.

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2009, 07:54:08 PM »
um.. i think the idea nga isemento ang basics sa utok sa estudyante is very good.

Taking a graduate study (masters and eventually ph.d.) would do the trick of opening more employment opportunities.



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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2009, 09:10:00 PM »
adding one more year is not the silver bullet to this problem in the education

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2009, 01:36:26 AM »
by the way, how were they able to consider nga mao ni solution?
it was never mentioned nga gi studiohan ni sa CHED.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2009, 08:12:56 AM »
Mao ra ni ang pinaka convenient way they think of improving the quality of education in our country. But, how sure they are? Is it not a total overhaul of teachers in the education sector which is needed? Certainly, this is the root cause of the problem. However, this method could be costly to the government. Our government doesn't want to be affected by the cost it will incur. They just pass this burden to the parents. So easy! See!

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2009, 08:35:34 AM »
it will only make education more expensive sa mga naglisud tawn... how about strip down all those unnecessary subjects.. and .. focus on whatever the major is.. that way the student would be more efficient and more knowledgeable sa iyang korso nga nahumanan

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2009, 08:40:33 AM »
Lest we fall into another hen and egg viscious cycle, lest just try to start somewhere deep down.

How is the big question nga nagtangag og usa ka sakong bugas humay.

First, if youll take a closer look at the teachers in preschool, then youll know where one educational system overhaul is most needed. Kong baga, sa preschool teacher pa lang, not even 50% (sorry for the bite) is psychologically capable. Last time i knew, anybody who has gone through a four year course could be a day care teacher.

So you wont wonder why first proper teachers own a terrible grasp of their sublime mission.

You cant blame them because their teachers in college did not have any idea that they'd be doing a try at making the first impression of educating kids.

Second, reality says majority of out teacher graduates are not the best siblings in the family.

The best minds take law, engineering, medicine, nursing and other high falluting sounding courses. The least, i mean those whose brain functions only enough to make body movement  their parents usually decide for them: take up education.

And the brainier in the course usually pass through college with nary a challenge. Kay ang iyang competitors ang utok igo ra daw mipilit sa bagolbagol, ang trabaho sa utok, igo ra gyud para ginhawa.

And their faculty, seguradoon nila makapasar ang teacher bisag ang inenglisan sinampangkong kay lagi, malooy sa gigasto sa ginikanan.

Ang teacher graduate is only strongest as the best their sometimes incapable college teachers can give.

And their teachers in early years also find similar predicament.

So where are we now?

Sadly,  our Department of Education does not have the same grasp of what they are doing.

Poor Pinoys.



 

 

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2009, 09:00:13 AM »
Sorry, daghan sa atoa are products of public schools. Sa una during our times wa pa ning pre-school sa atong lugar. Then lately, it became a pre-requisite on the guise of preparedness to enrol in grade one, a step of improving the quality kuno. But when we look at the curriculum, it's very surprising dahil daghang mga subjects nga gi introduce sa grade schools nga subjects nga naton-an  nato sa high school before. This is another guise of advancement, no doubt, because we lag behind our neighboring countries in terms of literacy. While the objective was ideal, it produces fewer fruits, but still of lesser quality. Only few were able to cope up with the curricular requirements, the speed learners. How about the others? Ina antok na lang sa dami. Why not revive the teaching method of mastery in (Science, Math, and English) as was done before? Certainly, with this method, a reversal of the pupils reaction is obvious. Aantokin ang mga speed learners, while the others will slowly have the grasp of comprehension on the subjects. Matototo sila while developing their interests on the relevant subjects. Which method would you prefer?

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2009, 09:05:37 AM »
kay and CHED Chairman kay tag-iya man ug eskwelahan.

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2009, 09:30:22 AM »
I was so surprised to learn by experience when I took up graduate studies in Engineering in Bangkok, Thailand way back 1976. We were composed of 17 Filipinos in our batch, among other students taking up graduate courses from the other 21 nationalities majority from East Asia. All the students in this school were chosen as the bests from each countries of origin and each student was sponsored by a government scholarship foundation. In example, my scholarship grant was given to me by the Australian government.

What's tricky here is that, when we took up our first exam in Advance Mathematics for one hour, all Filipino students were left behind inside the examination room after one hour. We submitted our test papers exactly after one hour while students from other nationalities submitted their test papers and gone after 30 minutes. We didn't feel nakakahiya when we surmised that they might miss to answer some of the questions. Kaya sunabmit nalang nila after so much exhaustions. But, we were totally wrong with our presumptions. Every one in the class got high grades! How come!

When we befriended some of them and tried to ask how come, we got a disgusting answer that Advance Mathematics was part of their undergraduate curriculum in third year. Samantalang kami, mga Pinoy, the same subject was so fresh to us! Nangamote jod mig maajo.
 

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2009, 09:41:19 AM »
so, layo na gyud kintahay ta kay hagbaya ra man tong hitaboa, lay.

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2009, 09:50:24 AM »
Tinood jod Glace! We are much behind from them. That's why when I was fortunate to be back in the academe in 1986 here in Manila, I struggled for the revision of the school syllabi by taking out reduntant subjects and introducing essential subjects I learned in graduate school. Good that I was given the chair by the schools to deliberate the proposed changes. The proposal was approved by the school and CHED.

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2009, 09:56:30 AM »
so, how come it has happened still? if your proposal was approved? by your story, lay, i must admit i admire how much you have involved yourself into this area. someone like you must continue to critique this anomaly that's been going on in the education system.

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2009, 10:06:17 AM »
The outcome really depends on the teachers attitude towards their responsibility. In other words, devotion to their task of transfering essential knowledge to the students. That devotion should not be confined only inside the classroom, and inside the faculty room. They should always be accessible to the students who wanted to confirm their understanding of the particular topic taken up inside the classroom.

I was given a citation for this effort by the school that appreciates the effect of the change. This was proven right when I was tasked to coach the school team in 'Mathematics' and 'Practical Engineering' competitions sponsored by the Philippine Institute of Civil Engineering.

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2009, 10:12:30 AM »
but we're talking here of the whole archipelago, what's the best approach then?

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2009, 10:14:30 AM »
Select the best teachers and entice them to devote their life in the profession by giving them just compensation.

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Re: Additional one year in all Degree Coures in college.
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2009, 10:29:33 AM »
lay, it sounds plausible but how many could only benefit this? the more i listen to you, the more the solution becomes acutely necessary. however, considering the magnitude of the problem, we may not be able to see that day because our government seems not being concern, or worst sympathetic, of this malady in our school system. my opinion. i dunno. hehehe

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