Author Topic: Additional One Year in All Degree Coures in College. (Read 16802 times)

fdaray · « **on:** January 31, 2009, 10:51:18 AM »

Today's reality indicates that the Philipines is left behind in economic progress by almost
every country in the world including Asian countries like Japan, China, Singapore, South
Korea and others. Even Vietman which , not too long ago was a war zone. It starting now
to overtake us.

The simple solution is to improve the quality of our education and everything else will move
forward.

In the third International Mathematics and Science Study involving 40 countries, our
country ended up third to the last in Mathematics and second to the last in science ahead
only of South Africa. The result reflects the state of our country, which is characterized by
incompetence, and why poverty is prevalent.

To be more competing globally, is it necessary that we will add one year in college for
all degree courses.?

Give your comments and suggestions.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:51:33 PM »

are they from UP or Ateneo or some classy schools of the country?
how were they picked to represent philippines to compete?

well, for me, another year in college means only one thing: more MONEY (oy caps).

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hofelina · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2009, 08:36:58 PM »

kini polong ni Sir Felix. We should improve the quality of education and teaching. Our system is antiquated and the teaching forces are poorly paid. The best teachers are mostly in abroad now.
Here is Germany, there are lots of sick teachers, I, as parent has to make a follow-up and if possible gives my kid some materials to put more substance in his learning. Apil pod ko or tuon kay akong mang pangutan-on.

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kiamoy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2009, 11:46:00 PM »

How about adding years sa mo take ug education lang?

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ligiah · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:07:55 AM »

murag dili lang man siguro added number of years ang kinahanglan para mosaka ang kalidad sa edukasyon sa Pilipinas...

kung buot huna hunaon, nganong maglisud man ug sabot ang estudyante sa pagsabot sa magtutudlo? usa ka rason atong maingon ang linggwahe nga gigamit... mao tingali nga dili ma grasp sa estudyante ang leksiyon kay hamabaw ra ang pagsabot niya tungod sa kining gitawag tang language barriers...

usa pa ka rason ang teaching strategy nga gigamit sa magtutudlo... kung by the book ra kaayo ang teacher, na... unsaon na lang...

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2009, 06:00:34 AM »

kung usa ra ka tuig, does it really make a difference?
ang kalidad, adto na gyud unta magsugod sa ubos
nga ang-ang nga pagtoon

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kiamoy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:14:11 AM »

highschool ang dapat dugangan..

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ligiah · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:46:40 AM »

bitaw oi... ang problema sa atoa sad... ang basics malimtan kay sigeg huna huna pag ayo sa mga komplikadong butang... if i semento sa mga utok sa estudyante ang mga basic theories nga kinahanglan mahibaw an, i think mahan ay ra ang tanan in the course of learning...

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kiamoy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:50:49 AM »

Agree ko ani ligiah,. karun kay murag jack of all trades, master of none.

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fdaray · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2009, 04:10:15 PM »

Tungod ba kaha kay ang Pilipino karon, Taglish naman ang namaster, (Tagalog English). Ngano man ang Japan, dili sila master sa english pero highly industrialized man.?

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ligiah · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:02:15 PM »

try to imagine a Filipino classroom scene (this is based on observations and experience):

the theories are presented in English, and the explanations can be explained in pure English or the mother tongue (tagalog, cebuano) and english.

If the teacher explains in a mixed language, this is the possibility. when it comes for the student to explain, he most probably would be required by the teacher to use English as a medium. But since the student understood it in his own mother tongue, he would find it hard to use English words in his explanation. He/ she knows the answer, but just could not get it out of his mind. He has the tendency to lose his confidence in class.

If the teacher explains everything in complicated English, the students would find it hard to grasp the theory, let alone explain it.

everything goes back to basics... simplification... and consistency in the language that is used in a classroom setting.

Let this be heeded by teachers...

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kiamoy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:23:46 PM »

our math teacher back in highschool used basic English words. nya maglibog na gane mi sa process, he'll speak in vernacular. which was really helpful.

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apothecary · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:51:53 PM »

Hinuon, murag 4 or 4 ra ka degree courses and naay additional nga usa ka tuig.

Thse 5 courses as planned have already been having extra summer classes sana sa engineering, architecture, nursing...

So if kwarat ang pasanginlan, murag dili kaayo ka epekto kay daan na man jud nga sige pud ug kuha sa summer ang mga estudyante, which is ilang gigastohan sad.

Kon kapun-an ug usa ka tuig kining mga kursoha, wala na man say summer terms.

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A Layman · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2009, 08:56:16 PM »

We must go back to basics. That's what we need if we want to improve the quality of our students. All are eyeing for one additional year in college which is I think, is too late. When we talk about going back to basic, then overhaul the eductional system from pre-school, and then grade school. The present system introduces so many subjects in these levels which often confused our young students whose parents also are out of grasp about so many topics. The so called 'Parents Participation' to help them cope up, is really necessary on the present set-up or syllabi. This presumption is true only to well educated parents whose time is focused on the school performance of their children. How about the working parents, who just leave the care of their children to their 'yayas'? One could not really avoid hiring private tutor to take care of the battery of assignments in school which is another expense. If not children have nowhere else to go but loss their interest to strive and learn more in school.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:10:49 PM »

unsa may gipasabot aning "quality" nga gusto nilang maabot sa mga college students?
i believe many of our graduates are highly qualified, and have quality.

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A Layman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:36:28 PM »

Glace, kon quality ang atong hisgotan looy jod kaajo. I could speak only about the young bunch of Filipino Engineers, which field I also belong. Even graduates of the prestigious schools (UP, Mapua, La Salle, etc.) parehas lang. Basic theories, wala ni sila. (I based this sad experience during every screening of job applicants.) They know only the formulas, but nowhere in their minds could they prove where the simple formulas were derived from? Take for example, formulas of plane areas, surface areas, and volumes of solids. In estimating project costs, we need all these principles to arrive at the nearest quantity. The more the error you have, the more the quality of your job weakens. Very surprising! Even the simplest formula of deriving the surface area of a triangle which I often include in my exams, no one was able to get the right approach. When I shew them how, they just answered, "Sir nakalimutan na namin yon." See? Kini tungod kay they do not consider much the importance of the basic principles which are the essential parts of achieving the right quality of education they should have.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:45:51 PM »

mao ba. pero di pod tanan lagi.
pero, mao na, if we need to improve the quality
i don't think adding one more year in college is the answer
you're correct, go back to the basics

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hofelina · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:03:17 PM »

kung usa ra ka tuig, does it really make a difference?
ang kalidad, adto na gyud unta magsugod sa ubos
nga ang-ang nga pagtoon

Glacier imo ning nga komentar, sakto ka ni-ini!
The quality of education starts from the basic, that means at home, then we have our elementary, high school and so on.
Assuming we have very qualified teachers, the rooms are congested. The number of students are too much to handle causing so much stress for students and teacher.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:10:42 PM »

yup. you're right, manay.
the quality education is not juts achieved by its competent mentors.
it's also about the place in general if it's conducive to learning.
which we have lacked in our country's education system.

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A Layman · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2009, 11:13:08 PM »

Mastery of the basic principles is no longer emphasized in school because the present educational set-up is aimed at coping up with global competitiveness. This set-up is equivalent to 'speed learning process' , a process almost similar to what is used in graduate schools. Subject or topic syllabi have shorter time allotments which unable a mentally average teacher to expound further the topic and check the level of comprehesion of the students. What complicates the matter is the 'bahala na' attitude of the teachers. Then, when the pupils flunk in the exams, they pass their responsibilities to the parents for lack of encouragement and supervision. How could we attain our goal with the kind of teachers we have now? Mostly, grade school teachers assigned in classrooms are average or below, mentally (sorry for my sweeping generalization). How could we expect students to become excellent? Best teachers are rarely assigned as classroom teachers. They are getting higher positions as principals, supervisors and superintendents because they were able to pursue graduate studies out of their above average mentality.

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apothecary · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:51:26 AM »

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unsa may gipasabot aning "quality" nga gusto nilang maabot sa mga college students?
i believe many of our graduates are highly qualified, and have quality

as far as i can recall, there is one school sa atoa nga naghatag ur real quality ug ideal education.

PMI.

Ang majority sa ilang estudyante adto makit-an sa quality kon di gali, adto sa ideal.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2009, 09:30:46 AM »

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unsa may gipasabot aning "quality" nga gusto nilang maabot sa mga college students?
i believe many of our graduates are highly qualified, and have quality

as far as i can recall, there is one school sa atoa nga naghatag ur real quality ug ideal education.

PMI.

Ang majority sa ilang estudyante adto makit-an sa quality kon di gali, adto sa ideal.

haahahahhaa. ijag inig makatrabaho sa barko, puro na dagat ang palibot...mao tingali gipabong-bong og suroy

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fdaray · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »

Adding one year in college will open more employments for teachers and instructors in colleges and universities. Its quite a good move to improve our educational system and besides add employments.

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A Layman · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:58:07 PM »

Bai Felix, that defeats the real purpose.

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ligiah · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:54:08 PM »

um.. i think the idea nga isemento ang basics sa utok sa estudyante is very good.

Taking a graduate study (masters and eventually ph.d.) would do the trick of opening more employment opportunities.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:10:00 PM »

adding one more year is not the silver bullet to this problem in the education

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kiamoy · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2009, 01:36:26 AM »

by the way, how were they able to consider nga mao ni solution?
it was never mentioned nga gi studiohan ni sa CHED.

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A Layman · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:12:56 AM »

Mao ra ni ang pinaka convenient way they think of improving the quality of education in our country. But, how sure they are? Is it not a total overhaul of teachers in the education sector which is needed? Certainly, this is the root cause of the problem. However, this method could be costly to the government. Our government doesn't want to be affected by the cost it will incur. They just pass this burden to the parents. So easy! See!

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #28 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:35:34 AM »

it will only make education more expensive sa mga naglisud tawn... how about strip down all those unnecessary subjects.. and .. focus on whatever the major is.. that way the student would be more efficient and more knowledgeable sa iyang korso nga nahumanan

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apothecary · « **Reply #29 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:40:33 AM »

Lest we fall into another hen and egg viscious cycle, lest just try to start somewhere deep down.

How is the big question nga nagtangag og usa ka sakong bugas humay.

First, if youll take a closer look at the teachers in preschool, then youll know where one educational system overhaul is most needed. Kong baga, sa preschool teacher pa lang, not even 50% (sorry for the bite) is psychologically capable. Last time i knew, anybody who has gone through a four year course could be a day care teacher.

So you wont wonder why first proper teachers own a terrible grasp of their sublime mission.

You cant blame them because their teachers in college did not have any idea that they'd be doing a try at making the first impression of educating kids.

Second, reality says majority of out teacher graduates are not the best siblings in the family.

The best minds take law, engineering, medicine, nursing and other high falluting sounding courses. The least, i mean those whose brain functions only enough to make body movement their parents usually decide for them: take up education.

And the brainier in the course usually pass through college with nary a challenge. Kay ang iyang competitors ang utok igo ra daw mipilit sa bagolbagol, ang trabaho sa utok, igo ra gyud para ginhawa.

And their faculty, seguradoon nila makapasar ang teacher bisag ang inenglisan sinampangkong kay lagi, malooy sa gigasto sa ginikanan.

Ang teacher graduate is only strongest as the best their sometimes incapable college teachers can give.

And their teachers in early years also find similar predicament.

So where are we now?

Sadly, our Department of Education does not have the same grasp of what they are doing.

Poor Pinoys.

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A Layman · « **Reply #30 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:00:13 AM »

Sorry, daghan sa atoa are products of public schools. Sa una during our times wa pa ning pre-school sa atong lugar. Then lately, it became a pre-requisite on the guise of preparedness to enrol in grade one, a step of improving the quality kuno. But when we look at the curriculum, it's very surprising dahil daghang mga subjects nga gi introduce sa grade schools nga subjects nga naton-an nato sa high school before. This is another guise of advancement, no doubt, because we lag behind our neighboring countries in terms of literacy. While the objective was ideal, it produces fewer fruits, but still of lesser quality. Only few were able to cope up with the curricular requirements, the speed learners. How about the others? Ina antok na lang sa dami. Why not revive the teaching method of mastery in (Science, Math, and English) as was done before? Certainly, with this method, a reversal of the pupils reaction is obvious. Aantokin ang mga speed learners, while the others will slowly have the grasp of comprehension on the subjects. Matototo sila while developing their interests on the relevant subjects. Which method would you prefer?

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TOPAC · « **Reply #31 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:05:37 AM »

kay and CHED Chairman kay tag-iya man ug eskwelahan.

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A Layman · « **Reply #32 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:30:22 AM »

I was so surprised to learn by experience when I took up graduate studies in Engineering in Bangkok, Thailand way back 1976. We were composed of 17 Filipinos in our batch, among other students taking up graduate courses from the other 21 nationalities majority from East Asia. All the students in this school were chosen as the bests from each countries of origin and each student was sponsored by a government scholarship foundation. In example, my scholarship grant was given to me by the Australian government.

What's tricky here is that, when we took up our first exam in Advance Mathematics for one hour, all Filipino students were left behind inside the examination room after one hour. We submitted our test papers exactly after one hour while students from other nationalities submitted their test papers and gone after 30 minutes. We didn't feel nakakahiya when we surmised that they might miss to answer some of the questions. Kaya sunabmit nalang nila after so much exhaustions. But, we were totally wrong with our presumptions. Every one in the class got high grades! How come!

When we befriended some of them and tried to ask how come, we got a disgusting answer that Advance Mathematics was part of their undergraduate curriculum in third year. Samantalang kami, mga Pinoy, the same subject was so fresh to us! Nangamote jod mig maajo.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:41:19 AM »

so, layo na gyud kintahay ta kay hagbaya ra man tong hitaboa, lay.

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A Layman · « **Reply #34 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:50:24 AM »

Tinood jod Glace! We are much behind from them. That's why when I was fortunate to be back in the academe in 1986 here in Manila, I struggled for the revision of the school syllabi by taking out reduntant subjects and introducing essential subjects I learned in graduate school. Good that I was given the chair by the schools to deliberate the proposed changes. The proposal was approved by the school and CHED.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:56:30 AM »

so, how come it has happened still? if your proposal was approved? by your story, lay, i must admit i admire how much you have involved yourself into this area. someone like you must continue to critique this anomaly that's been going on in the education system.

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A Layman · « **Reply #36 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:06:17 AM »

The outcome really depends on the teachers attitude towards their responsibility. In other words, devotion to their task of transfering essential knowledge to the students. That devotion should not be confined only inside the classroom, and inside the faculty room. They should always be accessible to the students who wanted to confirm their understanding of the particular topic taken up inside the classroom.

I was given a citation for this effort by the school that appreciates the effect of the change. This was proven right when I was tasked to coach the school team in 'Mathematics' and 'Practical Engineering' competitions sponsored by the Philippine Institute of Civil Engineering.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:12:30 AM »

but we're talking here of the whole archipelago, what's the best approach then?

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A Layman · « **Reply #38 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:14:30 AM »

Select the best teachers and entice them to devote their life in the profession by giving them just compensation.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:29:33 AM »

lay, it sounds plausible but how many could only benefit this? the more i listen to you, the more the solution becomes acutely necessary. however, considering the magnitude of the problem, we may not be able to see that day because our government seems not being concern, or worst sympathetic, of this malady in our school system. my opinion. i dunno. hehehe

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A Layman · « **Reply #40 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:46:34 AM »

This has been done Glace in some private schools, more particularly in the tertiary levels. Essential subjects are assigned to highly qualified teachers. I see the mounting problem here in our public schools. If my proposal on teachers selection should be implemented, then another big problem will arise. Plenty of our teachers will be dislocated. Kawawa sab.

Even when I am no longer connected with the academe, still my heart belongs to education. I initiated and conducted trainings and seminars in the company I am with to upgrade the level of quality of the engineers and help them sustain a career path in the company. Kay ang HRD sa companya wa man poy kalibutan sa technical fields puro lang naman sila sa behavioral science and psychology.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #41 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:57:13 AM »

kudos lay! by your own account, you're not just one of the Philippines best, you are the best man! wahhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooo!

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A Layman · « **Reply #42 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:16:39 AM »

Best man bai? Kaninong kasal? Lol

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TOPAC · « **Reply #43 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:37:49 AM »

pa libong libong pa jud ning ungoya ay. ngiga jud oi. yahoooo!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:47:14 AM »

saludo ko nimo, sir.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #45 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:59:20 AM »

pa humble effect pa jud glacier, nuh?

too much humility is too much. LOL

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A Layman · « **Reply #46 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:21:35 PM »

You are also one of the unsung heroes for this cause! Everyone of us has a share to contribute even in the simplest way possible. Let us not be dwelt with outright pessimism, because in every problem that we have there is always a right answer to come. As to when will it come, it all depends on how we devote our time to quash that problem off. Education really is a continuous process if we are going to explore the vast knowledge of the universe.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:35:16 PM »

ok ra, calle, dako man diayng tawo ni bay layman. murag pareho nimo ni calle.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #48 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:38:12 PM »

niwang ko, di ko dako.

clerk lagi tawon ko diri.

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A Layman · « **Reply #49 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:46:03 PM »

Yes that's true Glace! I weigh more pounds than I stand with my feet. Bitaw, 175 lbs. ra ko and my waist line is 36". Sira na ang akong vital stats! LOL

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:51:23 PM »

and you are a gentleman...

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A Layman · « **Reply #51 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:52:58 PM »

You say it so. And I respect your right to express! LOL

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:54:51 PM »

di man kaha ta badlungon sa TB ani...LOL

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A Layman · « **Reply #53 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:57:02 PM »

I think hapit na! Just add one more year and we'll be out!

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ligiah · « **Reply #54 on:** February 05, 2009, 03:38:57 PM »

Manong A Layman: I am quite impressed by your views.

Anyway, I have also been connected to the academe, and also had observations of my own.

For one, teachers can be all too sympathetic to students. Papasron na lang bisag lajo ra sa tinood ang efforts, performance and behavior. Does that help the student? Sometimes, one has to be 'cruel' to help another.

Another, as Manong A Layman has stated, there are teachers who are not really qualified for the position. How can they pass on the knowledge to the students when they are struggling on the course/subject themselves?

Third, magpakasayon na lang sad ang instructor ug basa sa text nga naa sa libro. Wala na'y further explanations... Students themselves can read. Why not do something more interactive? And do further research on the topic so there's more to share? I have been a student and it irks me that teachers just read what's on the book. And i sometimes wonder whether the teacher actually knows more than what the book says...

Fourth, teachers should be willing to help students who need their help... kung daghan galisud, conduct remedial classes, give extra assignments, conduct more learning activities.

Being a teacher is no easy task. They should also be provided with good benefits.

And I definitely agree to Manong A Layman that it is a matter of devotion to work.

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A Layman · « **Reply #55 on:** February 05, 2009, 04:31:40 PM »

Thanks Ligiah for the nice and true complements. So we both have experienced in the academe anyway. In what particular level are you teaching? Tertiaty, secondary, elementary, or pre-school? My older brother is a head teacher of a public school in Bohol located in a remote Barangay of Guindulman. We shared the same interest of uplifting the level of literacy among us.

His problem then was the millenium curricula in grade school introduced by the late Raul Roco. We understood that the move of DECs with Roco at the helm was preparedness towards global competition. A noble idea! But what was disgusting then, was the apathy of the government to support the program by not providing computer units in public schools and train teachers for that purpose. My brother made a good move when he spent his month-long vacation here with me in Manila, instead of just waiting for the support to come from the government. He requested me to teach the basic computer operation and I granted his request without much ado. I even bougth him a book for that as his aid. He was able to learn the basic for one month and brought with him my personal computer set when he went back home. That's it! I could not measure the contentment he had when he told me that his school was the first one with a computer set among the public schools within the entire municipality. I just pray that in a simplest way, we did our share, and always will!

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kiamoy · « **Reply #56 on:** February 05, 2009, 06:43:41 PM »

This has been done Glace in some private schools, more particularly in the tertiary levels. Essential subjects are assigned to highly qualified teachers.

mao ni nahitabo sa amo school mr A.. ang mga 3rd yr ug 4th yr were handled by the best..

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A Layman · « **Reply #57 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:33:18 PM »

Good to hear your side Kiamoysan! At least you know what it will be when best teachers are handling essential subjects. Atenista ka ba? Ask lang ko.

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kiamoy · « **Reply #58 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:34:24 PM »

Dili.

wala ko nakaskul ug Manila.. cebu-tac lang..

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A Layman · « **Reply #59 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:37:33 PM »

Aha...good! Up Tacloban?

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kiamoy · « **Reply #60 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:06:25 PM »

ako manghud ra nakasulod dha.
evsu ko..

nagtarongko iskwela (if tarong man gane) atong highschool days.. mas daghan ko nakat-unan.. college, i was not that interested sa ako course. haha!! slacker kaayu.

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A Layman · « **Reply #61 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:13:59 PM »

EVSU, formerly VISCA located in Baybay, Leyte? At least you made your way and pursued your dreams.

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kiamoy · « **Reply #62 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:15:18 PM »

hehe former LIT kuya A

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ligiah · « **Reply #63 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:38:42 AM »

Thanks Ligiah for the nice and true complements. So we both have experienced in the academe anyway. In what particular level are you teaching? Tertiaty, secondary, elementary, or pre-school? My older brother is a head teacher of a public school in Bohol located in a remote Barangay of Guindulman. We shared the same interest of uplifting the level of literacy among us.

His problem then was the millenium curricula in grade school introduced by the late Raul Roco. We understood that the move of DECs with Roco at the helm was preparedness towards global competition. A noble idea! But what was disgusting then, was the apathy of the government to support the program by not providing computer units in public schools and train teachers for that purpose. My brother made a good move when he spent his month-long vacation here with me in Manila, instead of just waiting for the support to come from the government. He requested me to teach the basic computer operation and I granted his request without much ado. I even bougth him a book for that as his aid. He was able to learn the basic for one month and brought with him my personal computer set when he went back home. That's it! I could not measure the contentment he had when he told me that his school was the first one with a computer set among the public schools within the entire municipality. I just pray that in a simplest way, we did our share, and always will!

Manong A Layman... you're welcome. i taught in the tertiary level. Biological Sciences.

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #64 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:48:09 AM »

ok ra, calle, dako man diayng tawo ni bay layman. murag pareho nimo ni calle.

ha unsa ka dak-a? 7 footer? 8 footer? ehhehehe

btaw saludo ko nmu Layman

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A Layman · « **Reply #65 on:** February 06, 2009, 07:33:37 AM »

Hoi, naunsa naman noon ni! Mora naman noon kog si General nga gisaluduhan ni Bol-anon Ko. Anyways, thanks a lot for the compliment! Alright class, let us now go back to the topic we are discussing here, otherwise, we will be expelled by the principal administrator for not doing our assignments well. Are you agreeable to add one year in all Degree Courses in College? Taym sa ha? Naa ba poy degree and High School? He he he...mora naman noon kog titser da!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:14:45 PM »

di ko agreeable ana, lay. kabalo naka ako rason...di na maoy solusyon.

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apothecary · « **Reply #67 on:** February 06, 2009, 04:44:54 PM »

mao na jud ni karon.

A country that could not even decide what to do with its students, simple ang solusyon. experimentohan na lamang.

Bale gayud, og sa mga taga Panglao pa. Sugot pod ka Roy?

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fdaray · « **Reply #68 on:** February 07, 2009, 11:03:22 AM »

Until this time , wala pay final ang DepEd nga dugangan ug one year ang college effective next school year 2009-10.

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #69 on:** February 07, 2009, 11:48:49 AM »

Among the countries in the world, only Philippines has 10-year basic education curriculum, other countries have 12-year basic education curriculum.

There are so many problems in the education system of the Philippines right now which need to be be addressed by those people in authority aside from that increasing one year for all degree programs. As what I have observed, the problem is not lying in the higher education only but the biggest problem in education which affects the downward spiral of the Philippine economy lies heavily in our basic education system.

Most of the students entering college could hardly do basic algebraic operations which is supposed to be developed during high school years. I don't know if it has been changed but when I was teaching Mathematics in the Philippines, the following curriculum has been followed for high school Mathematics:

First Year: Elementary Algebra
Second Year: Intermediate Algebra
Third year: Geometry
Fourth Year: Advance Algebra and Basic Probability and Statistics

Well, as we can see, most of the mathematics courses in high school are dealing with ALGEBRA but aren't we surprised why students entering college could hardly do basic algebraic operations? There are students who could hardly determine the sum of x + x which is merely an addition of 1 banana + 1 banana = 2 bananas (x + x=2x). Here are some problems in the basic education system which I think must be resolved by the department of education:

1. There is much focus on the content of curriculum and less or zero focus on mastery learning.
The Philippines is following fixed curriculum provided by those people in authority. It is mandated that the all topics within the curriculum should be tackled within the specified curriculum days. I could still remember my high school math teacher who told us, "This topic is supposed to be completed within 3 days but we have been discussing days for 4 days so let's end it up." when we asked for more practice exercises and more explanation about a certain topic in Mathematics which we could hardly understand. MASTERY LEARNING is not emphasized and it's a very sad fact for the students who are ought to learn life skills and not just go through the topics within the curriculum.

2. Teaching for test is still blatantly practised.
Teaching is geared towards achieving high marks in the achievement test and not towards achieving the expected knowledge and skills. A teacher once told, "I have to teach all the topics specified in the curriculum because they will all come out in the National Achievement Test." Are our learners learning for the test? NO! NO! NO!

3. Stiff bureaucracy in the education system
The curriculum is still pre-determined by those "EXPERTS?" in the Department of Education. It's about time for our education administrators to wake up the diversity of our students (different needs, different environment, different social and economic status, different learning styles etc.) and therefor ONE ABSOLUTE CURRICULUM could not work for all. The EXPERTS that they call who designed the curriculum doesn't have any idea of what's happening in BARANGAY CANLUBAS. Do they know the learners in such area? If no, what made them design and implement a curriculum for learners there. I agree that DepEd should set goals and standard for education that would reach to all types of learners but I am against of a centralized curriculum. TEACHERS should be given the task to assess the learners' needs and design a curriculum based on their needs and DepEd's goals and standards (although this is very expensive because it would require rigid training for teachers on assessment and curriculum design).

For more articles on education, visit my teaching blog www.edulotion.blogspot.com . I will update it very soon.

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fdaray · « **Reply #70 on:** February 07, 2009, 12:19:46 PM »

Mang Jose , I agree with you. Ang atong system of education is subject centered,
dili child centered. Dapat inig graduate sa bata sa high adunay sa siyay specialized
knowledge nga iyang mastered sama sa cooking, dressmaking,agribussines ,
mechanics or any techinical skills nga hilig nila.

Ang atong systema sa education is always revising the curriculum.

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #71 on:** February 07, 2009, 10:53:00 PM »

Yes sir. As individuals wala tay mahimo but to start the change in ourselves.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 07, 2009, 11:06:27 PM »

Yes sir. As individuals wala tay mahimo but to start the change in ourselves.

but education problems are systemic deficiencies. people in the system have figured out what's wrong with our education. yet they have no political will to resolve the issues. unfortunately, their apathy affects most of those who are down-under, people of lesser voice, people who can change yet too powerless to do it.

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #73 on:** February 07, 2009, 11:37:23 PM »

but education problems are systemic deficiencies. people in the system have figured out what's wrong with our education. yet they have no political will to resolve the issues. unfortunately, their apathy affects most of those who are down-under, people of lesser voice, people who can change yet too powerless to do it.

In some international conferences here, it's pretty funny how big countries like USA, UK and Singapore admit the current problems in their education system and that they are doing their best to patch things up. However, the Philippines always boasts for having the best system of education and there's no problem within it. Even the education of our country is politically driven. There are people who become voiceless in the name of politics which they claim as national mandate.

Teaching is not a lucrative job and not an attractive course for the Filipino youths and for this, the government has to do something. It's a very big problem. We are losing good teachers and our teacher-training institutions are becoming inefficient.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #74 on:** February 07, 2009, 11:46:50 PM »

universities and some schools in big cities are i think not that bad. the problem can be felt more in the countrysides. and that's where most graduates in this country are from.

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #75 on:** February 07, 2009, 11:49:01 PM »

but most teachers are from the countryside and not from the big cities because people in the big cities usually opt for business, medical or IT- related courses.

I am from countryside... From the town that amazes Boholanos as they ask, ASA MAN NA?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #76 on:** February 08, 2009, 12:04:31 AM »

Danao? hahahahaha

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #77 on:** February 08, 2009, 12:23:49 AM »

Danao? hahahahaha

People know Danao more than my place. At least, Boholanos know where is Danao because of Francisco Dagohoy and Danao is going national in terms of echo tourism. Danao is not new. People doesn't even know that my town is a town. Anyhow, I can;t blame them for my town was once a colonia of a popular scond-class municipality.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #78 on:** February 08, 2009, 01:07:22 AM »

People know Danao more than my place. At least, Boholanos know where is Danao because of Francisco Dagohoy and Danao is going national in terms of echo tourism. Danao is not new. People doesn't even know that my town is a town. Anyhow, I can;t blame them for my town was once a colonia of a popular scond-class municipality.

Pitogo?

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apothecary · « **Reply #79 on:** February 09, 2009, 09:24:08 AM »

I got this from a parent of a kid in a hinterland barangay sa atoa.

Ang among maestra Sir,
Martes na wa pa,
unja Hwebes pa, wa na.

Howd you expect an education other than standing by sa sulod sa quality ining graduate aning mga bataa nga under sa titser?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #80 on:** February 09, 2009, 09:31:37 AM »

daghan man nas among baryo pod...saon man lagi, wa pa may habal-habal sa una. karon, medyo makasayo-sayo nag report si ma'am...

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apothecary · « **Reply #81 on:** February 10, 2009, 11:50:22 AM »

Heard of Operation Titser?

Mga habal2 driver nga ulitawo, manguyab sa titser para seguradong di na mabuhian sa barangay? hehehe nice try, but please maam, deodorants may help.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #82 on:** February 10, 2009, 11:54:40 AM »

kung maka-asawa man gud pod og maestra si ondoy, dili balibaran sa banko mangutang og motor para gamitong service ni mrs.

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apothecary · « **Reply #83 on:** February 10, 2009, 12:45:58 PM »

vicious cycle.

Titser para mahatagag tarung edukasyon mga bata. Titser makabana ug habal2 driver nga mahadlok tag basig sa ka bughuan, mao ray makaingon nga mo regress si Maam sa iyang nahibal-an.

Pag regress ni Maam, ang mga estudyante mag driver rag habal2 nga mangasawa napud og maam. waaah

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #84 on:** February 10, 2009, 09:29:22 PM »

hahaha...the DepEd should know your analytic discovery of this cycle, apo. that might save our students. hahahaha

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #85 on:** February 11, 2009, 07:41:26 AM »

suan sa atua daw barrio kay ang Monday kay "My day" ug ang Friday kay "Fly day"

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fdaray · « **Reply #86 on:** February 12, 2009, 11:52:37 AM »

I was assigned first in the remote and mountainous barangay of Pinalpalan, Malita Davao del in 1981. We hiked 5 hours from the highway crossing rivers 18 times, descending and ascending on one line trail on slippery mountains.

We arrived Monday afernoon to the station. We started classes the following day, Tuesday. Friday morning, mopauli na. Mosugod ug hike pababa pauli. Ussually 4 days ra ang klarong klase. This is true in many far flung areas.

These are contributing factors of our weakening educational system in the country.

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apothecary · « **Reply #87 on:** March 21, 2009, 10:09:52 PM »

exactly.

so one year will be an be-all and end all solution?
Even teachers, (oh my, i am hitting raw nerve) may not be as certain about their roles, theyre not even that prepared.

I saw a lesson plan, it has an annotation when submitted to the principal
(for week 3, please refer to my lesson plan last year!)

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ayessa · « **Reply #88 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:46:49 AM »

I was assigned first in the remote and mountainous barangay of Pinalpalan, Malita Davao del in 1981. We hiked 5 hours from the highway crossing rivers 18 times, descending and ascending on one line trail on slippery mountains.

We arrived Monday afernoon to the station. We started classes the following day, Tuesday. Friday morning, mopauli na. Mosugod ug hike pababa pauli. Ussually 4 days ra ang klarong klase. This is true in many far flung areas.

These are contributing factors of our weakening educational system in the country.

I salute on your dedication to the teaching profession, Fdaray.

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ayessa · « **Reply #89 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:52:32 AM »

Improve the quality of education, discard unnecessary subjects and give more focus to practical knowledge rather than theories most especially in Technical courses.

Extending the college years would not at all be helpful if we would not improve the educational system.

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extrafort · « **Reply #90 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:25:42 AM »

adding 5-year in college is the only pragmatic solution of our educational system. improving the entire system is costly for schools and for the government, which receives tax revenues from these learning institutions. i am for the systemic revamp of our education, but it needs new fresh minds and leadership which we don't have in our present government.

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apothecary · « **Reply #91 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:29:36 AM »

there is a thread in the cortesanon.com about how the forum talked about a school garden with a sign that says welcome Gardenia or something. It was the teacher's idea.

But there were no gardenias in her garden.

So somebody commented that the gardenia tag (which is scientific name for rosal) be replaced so the flower garden could be true to its name. There is no rosal that can be seen, much more, rosals.

Feeling offended by the inter-action, the teacher got personal and dared everyone to a fight.

And to think, the teacher was a nursing graduate but could not pass the exams so she "downgraded" to teaching.

How many are these "teachers" out there who would insist putting up a "gardenia" is always right and pound that everybody is wrong because only she is right?

This is a sad fact in our education.

With this teacher, even 10 years in education is miserably short, if you would agree?

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ligiah · « **Reply #92 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:18:18 PM »

aguy makadumdum kog usa ka maestra ani pag 1st year college nako... nag exam mi... diha'y pangutana nga ang tubag is deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA).

pag uli pa sa akong papel, natingala ko nganong iyang gi consider nga mistake akong answer. so i approached my teacher to for an explanation. ingon siya wrong kuno to kay ang answer... deoxyribose nucleic acid (this is the spelling found in older books) kuno. i said that ever since i was in first year high school, this was the spelling that i learned and it has been right ever since. but then he/she insisted that it is wrong. and her/his expression really changed and got agitated. but still, i said that i can show her books that prove that my spelling is right... and then he/she did not say a word and just ignored me.

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ligiah · « **Reply #93 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:21:43 PM »

anyway, back to the topic...

i had a classmate when i was in first year college... we had (again) a quiz, and there was a question (i think enumerate parts of the excretory system tingali) wherein one answer was the ANUS. ang iyang gibutang sa iyang papel, URANUS... timing jud nga ako ang naka check sa iyang papel perte nakong buhakhak... laliman ka makong planeta parte sa atong lawas!!! and for goodness sake... first year college na to... ultimo intermediate level elementary kahibaw ato.

i rest my case... (bwahaha!)

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #94 on:** March 25, 2009, 05:06:11 PM »

e improve nalang ang quality sa education kay sa dugangan ug usa katuig. binolok maning estoryaha, gastos sa nagpa eskwela. kay tua gikawat nila ang budget sa education! hoo hani bani!

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #95 on:** March 25, 2009, 05:57:43 PM »

Education became commercialized and it became a gateway to employment rather than to learning. Students are programmed/brainwashed to become employees or slaves, rather than employers or Innovators.

In old days, people go to school because they want to learn and not because they want to work after graduation. Thier purpose is to master and improve that field so that they could contribute something to humanity. Back then, people study engineering, arts, medicine or history so that they could preserve the basic principles, make some innovations and teach it to the next generation.

You may notice that very few people study music and history because commercial demand for these fields are very limited.

Jose Rizal did not study optometry because he wants to work in an optical shop. He did not study history or different languages because he wants to work in a translation company. He study because of his passion and he want to improve things.

I am talking here about Philippine scenario.

Sorry if my grammar is bad. It only reflects the quality of educational system we have in our country.

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aduy · « **Reply #96 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:17:23 PM »

maayohon nalang nila ang quality ng education kay bug-at kaayo sa mga ginikanan ang magpaeskoyla pa og usa katuig unya inig kagraduate diay ma jobmismatch lang.

magaling na professor / teacher para makapagturo ng sapat sa mga estudyante.

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apothecary · « **Reply #97 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:24:59 PM »

i still stand my ground.

Education revamp which go all the way from the kindergarten pupil to administrators still hiding their inefficiency with the only thing they are good at: threatening the weakling.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #98 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:38:25 PM »

YES!

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #99 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:12:13 PM »

As I have said earlier, there are so many things in the system of our education which need more focus than this simple addition of one year in all degree courses in college. If this additional one year for all degree courses aims to produce graduates of higher quality, then there's no way for this initiative to succeed. There are so many lapses even in the basic education sector. If we have quality basic education system, there would be no question that we would have quality graduates in college. Education starts from the very beginning and not only in college.

Do these people realize that students just keep on studying a simple lesson over and over again? MASTERY LEARNING in basic education institutions is the sole answer!

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