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« on: March 29, 2008, 03:29:14 AM »
Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz vowed yesterday not to give holy communion to President Arroyo, members of her family, and other known “sinners” in the country.

Cruz told the Newsmakers Forum held every Wednesday at the Crowne Plaza in Mandaluyong City that he will encourage the Catholic Church leadership, specifically the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), not to allow any publicly known sinners like Mrs. Arroyo and members of the First Family to receive communion.

“A publicly known sinner and a good number of them receiving communion in public, I think it is a scandal. I would not give communion to people whom I know as a public sinner. No,” Cruz said when asked if he will give communion to the Arroyos.

Cruz said it pains him very much to see Mrs. Arroyo and the other publicly known sinners ostensibly going to Church every time the Arroyo government is being dragged in controversy, and receiving communion in public.

“In our moral theology, that is a principle. If one gives communion to sinners the Church is scandalized,” Cruz said.

Cruz also admitted that the CBCP is divided over the clamor for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because of monetary considerations.

He said at least eight bishops, including himself, are calling for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because they believe that the Arroyo government has no moral ascendancy to govern because of the rampant corruption involving ranking government officials.

Cruz said that there are also seven bishops who are supporting Mrs. Arroyo, while the majority of the 92 bishops nationwide are neutral.

He said the call of the CBCP for Mrs. Arroyo to allow Commission on Higher Education chairman Romulo Neri to testify before the Senate, abolish Executive Order 464 and to allow the other officials who have knowledge about the national broadband network (NBN) deal to reveal what they know about the scandal, can still change.

“The CBCP’s pronouncement is stagnant and static in terms of socio-economic issues. It can change. How could you just remain silent, quiet and stand still after you say the government is morally corrupt and morally bankrupt? It is not a political but a moral duty of the priests. I looked at that as a moral dimension. Once the politicians are already above the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. If politicians are exempted from the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. But if politicians are still bound by the Ten Commandments, I will continue to speak. The Church is the soul of the nation,” Cruz said.

Cruz said God is always in favor of those who follow the Ten Commandments.

source: (STAR) By Jose Rodel Clapano

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 03:46:46 AM »
kalooy sad...
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 03:58:05 AM »
this is nothing but bs.
God knows what I'm talking about!

What a shame! What about those priest who abused kids, did they do something about them, I don't think so. All they do is transfer the priest to another area and that's about it.

That's why I don't like to read or see Church who's trying to get involve with politics.

Although, I didn't say, P.GMA is not a sinner, we all are! So what's with the fuzz?

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 04:33:30 AM »
I am not happy with this either. These priests are not involved in the investigation.  All they know is what is talked about by the media and for them to ex-communicate the whole family, they are judging.  It is not their job to render verdict of cases like this.   

I will always be a Catholic no matter what but I still don't agree with this decision.  They should start now investigating their parishioners who are committing adultery or pre-marital sex and other sinful acts if they are really serious in their conviction of eliminating sinners among Catholics.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 04:40:49 AM »
hypocisy. what about the hundreds of cases of priests molesting young boys behind the altar?
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 04:42:48 AM »
This is where we see the separation of Religion and Jesus Christ himself.

Religion wants to kill by stoning an adulterous woman.
Jesus Christ: "He who is without sin may cast the first stone."

And all the hypocrites walked away, shaking their heads.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 04:47:16 AM »

nice job Dre!

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 04:51:39 AM »

This kind of priest are giving strength to Satan.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 05:02:35 AM »
mosulti raman ng mga pari na..."follow what i say for it is the word of God...do not follow what i do for i am just human..."

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 05:02:41 AM »
I'm not a pro GMA, but i think it's not the proper forum for archbishop Cruz to air his sintements towards GMA. matters involving church and state should be done in right manner, respect to everyone especially to the head of state should be taken care of.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2008, 05:06:09 AM »

there is an absolute separation of state and religion mao gani na dili makapugos ang government ni Archbishop paghatag ug communion kay ate glow

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2008, 06:32:31 AM »
His Eminence, Archbishop Cruz needs to separate himself from the state.

Who are we to judge who is a sinner and not, but the Almighty. President Arroyo and her family attend church for their own reasons, either it be for personal reasons or as a way to escape public attacks. She comes to church to worship and visit the Lord, let her. And God Bless her for the things she goes through.

His Eminence, Archbishop Cruz needs to remember this scripture,
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"Publicly known sinner"?! Was he saying, as long as you're discreet it's okay to sin and receive the body of Christ?! IMO, his views were morally skewed. This is one reason why I don't go to confessions anymore. I might as well talk to God myself. but, I am and will always be a Catholic.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2008, 08:30:45 AM »
I disagree with his views, as well, as a devout Roman Catholic, I must say that he goes against church teachings, which are the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

My pastor, who I can say is my close confidant has always told me this:
"Forgive those who hurt you, Bless those who harm you, and try your best your utmost best to turn the other cheek. Show mercy and you shall be given mercy, show compassion and you shall be given compassion."

We are all sinners, no one is exempt, not even Bishop Cruz. 

 

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2008, 08:39:06 AM »
korek jud ka Bran, murag nakalimot ang Archbishop sa iyang gipang preach kay he's doing the exact opposite man. This is but a clear example of hypocrisy.


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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2008, 09:50:22 AM »
lol...what a news! all I can say...never judge anyone even if we know he/she commits sin.. always remember there's a jurisprudence in heaven who will judge in times...who are we to judge other people...its not our business! kinsa man sad ta para magjudge ni GMA? unya kinsa pud ta para magjudge ni padre cruz...nyahaha hahay...in short if we are all Christians and if we believe in God we know how to tame our tongue this is one of our doctrine as Christians...   :-X  :-X  :-X

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Korek!

Religion has nothing to do with politics!

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2008, 11:40:26 AM »
mura sad mog wala nakaila ni ato glow! or nagpaka buta bungol lang ba kaha mo? sakto lang to gibuhat ni Archbishop. Dili man ka mahimong Archbishop kun wala kay Masters degree sa Theology and Divinity. The question is who are we to question the Archbishops decisions? wala ra ta sa kumingkingan sa iyang knowledge about theology and divinity...


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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2008, 11:54:10 AM »

I don't agree with him, kinsa man siya nga manghuwes sa iyang isigkatawo.
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The Archbishop is just doing the right thing.If there is ignorance, instruct the ignorant. If there is obstinacy, exact the canonical
penalty. To fail to do so results not only in ignorance and obstinacy, but negligence and
permissiveness: the fertile soil in which a degenerating culture can multiply its errors,
bear evil fruit, and die. Religious leaders are in a unique position to influence the nation
and the world for the better by calling their people to high moral standards. Failure to do
so ultimately results in disaster, for the moral demise of a nation always precedes the
ultimate demise of a nation.The version of separation
of church and state that is presently being foisted on an unsuspecting public is tantamount
to a suppression of the fundamental constitutional rights of a class of citizens. Since when
is Christian thought not permitted to influence a country that was founded on Christian
principles? We share in the good and the evil of those we place in office. The Catechism
of the Catholic Church teaches that, although “sin is a personal act, we have a
responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them” (CCC
#1868). We can be accomplices in the sins of others:
By participating directly and voluntarily in them;
By ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
By not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
Any candidate for political office, Catholic or otherwise, who is in favor of intrinsically
evil things (abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, etc), votes for them, or otherwise
funds or furthers their cause, cannot be supported in any way by a Catholic who wishes to
remain Catholic in fact, not just in name. Catholic office holders, whether presidents,
senators, congress men or women, or judges at any level must adhere to Catholic teaching
or run the risk of separating themselves from the Body of Christ. In such egregious and
chronic cases of gross moral evil such as instituting and perpetuating abortion and the
structures of sin that surround it, it is quite probable that such Catholic officials are
excommunicated in virtue of the acts themselves. A latae sententiae (automatic)
excommunication is likely triggered when they vote for laws, funding, and structures that
enable and perpetuate such obvious and egregious evil (Cf. Code of Canon Law, Canons
1364,1398; Canon 1329, par. #2). They are in turn forbidden from approaching the
sacraments as the result (Cf. Catechism of Catholic Church #1463).
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