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Title: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: bulak on March 29, 2008, 03:29:14 AM
Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz vowed yesterday not to give holy communion to President Arroyo, members of her family, and other known “sinners” in the country.

Cruz told the Newsmakers Forum held every Wednesday at the Crowne Plaza in Mandaluyong City that he will encourage the Catholic Church leadership, specifically the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), not to allow any publicly known sinners like Mrs. Arroyo and members of the First Family to receive communion.

“A publicly known sinner and a good number of them receiving communion in public, I think it is a scandal. I would not give communion to people whom I know as a public sinner. No,” Cruz said when asked if he will give communion to the Arroyos.

Cruz said it pains him very much to see Mrs. Arroyo and the other publicly known sinners ostensibly going to Church every time the Arroyo government is being dragged in controversy, and receiving communion in public.

“In our moral theology, that is a principle. If one gives communion to sinners the Church is scandalized,” Cruz said.

Cruz also admitted that the CBCP is divided over the clamor for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because of monetary considerations.

He said at least eight bishops, including himself, are calling for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because they believe that the Arroyo government has no moral ascendancy to govern because of the rampant corruption involving ranking government officials.

Cruz said that there are also seven bishops who are supporting Mrs. Arroyo, while the majority of the 92 bishops nationwide are neutral.

He said the call of the CBCP for Mrs. Arroyo to allow Commission on Higher Education chairman Romulo Neri to testify before the Senate, abolish Executive Order 464 and to allow the other officials who have knowledge about the national broadband network (NBN) deal to reveal what they know about the scandal, can still change.

“The CBCP’s pronouncement is stagnant and static in terms of socio-economic issues. It can change. How could you just remain silent, quiet and stand still after you say the government is morally corrupt and morally bankrupt? It is not a political but a moral duty of the priests. I looked at that as a moral dimension. Once the politicians are already above the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. If politicians are exempted from the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. But if politicians are still bound by the Ten Commandments, I will continue to speak. The Church is the soul of the nation,” Cruz said.

Cruz said God is always in favor of those who follow the Ten Commandments.

source: (STAR) By Jose Rodel Clapano
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 29, 2008, 03:46:46 AM
kalooy sad...
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: B:) on March 29, 2008, 03:58:05 AM
this is nothing but bs.
God knows what I'm talking about!

What a shame! What about those priest who abused kids, did they do something about them, I don't think so. All they do is transfer the priest to another area and that's about it.

That's why I don't like to read or see Church who's trying to get involve with politics.

Although, I didn't say, P.GMA is not a sinner, we all are! So what's with the fuzz?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 29, 2008, 04:33:30 AM
I am not happy with this either. These priests are not involved in the investigation.  All they know is what is talked about by the media and for them to ex-communicate the whole family, they are judging.  It is not their job to render verdict of cases like this.   

I will always be a Catholic no matter what but I still don't agree with this decision.  They should start now investigating their parishioners who are committing adultery or pre-marital sex and other sinful acts if they are really serious in their conviction of eliminating sinners among Catholics.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: pioneer on March 29, 2008, 04:40:49 AM
hypocisy. what about the hundreds of cases of priests molesting young boys behind the altar?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: pioneer on March 29, 2008, 04:42:48 AM
This is where we see the separation of Religion and Jesus Christ himself.

Religion wants to kill by stoning an adulterous woman.
Jesus Christ: "He who is without sin may cast the first stone."

And all the hypocrites walked away, shaking their heads.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 29, 2008, 04:47:16 AM
Cruz said it pains him very much to see Mrs. Arroyo and the other publicly known sinners ostensibly going to Church every time the Arroyo government is being dragged in controversy, and receiving communion in public.

“In our moral theology, that is a principle. If one gives communion to sinners the Church is scandalized,” Cruz said.


nice job Dre!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Macky Ferniz on March 29, 2008, 04:51:39 AM
hypocisy. what about the hundreds of cases of priests molesting young boys behind the altar?

This kind of priest are giving strength to Satan.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 29, 2008, 05:02:35 AM
mosulti raman ng mga pari na..."follow what i say for it is the word of God...do not follow what i do for i am just human..."
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Brownman on March 29, 2008, 05:02:41 AM
I'm not a pro GMA, but i think it's not the proper forum for archbishop Cruz to air his sintements towards GMA. matters involving church and state should be done in right manner, respect to everyone especially to the head of state should be taken care of.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 29, 2008, 05:06:09 AM
I'm not a pro GMA, but i think it's not the proper forum for archbishop Cruz to air his sintements towards GMA. matters involving church and state should be done in right manner, respect to everyone especially to the head of state should be taken care of.

there is an absolute separation of state and religion mao gani na dili makapugos ang government ni Archbishop paghatag ug communion kay ate glow
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 06:32:31 AM
His Eminence, Archbishop Cruz needs to separate himself from the state.

Who are we to judge who is a sinner and not, but the Almighty. President Arroyo and her family attend church for their own reasons, either it be for personal reasons or as a way to escape public attacks. She comes to church to worship and visit the Lord, let her. And God Bless her for the things she goes through.

His Eminence, Archbishop Cruz needs to remember this scripture,
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
-Romans 8:38-39


Leave politics for the politicians, and religion for the priests.
The role of the priest is to minister to the soul of the faithful, to give rights, and to preach the gospel,
NOT to instigate politics.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: svetlana on March 29, 2008, 08:20:53 AM
"Publicly known sinner"?! Was he saying, as long as you're discreet it's okay to sin and receive the body of Christ?! IMO, his views were morally skewed. This is one reason why I don't go to confessions anymore. I might as well talk to God myself. but, I am and will always be a Catholic.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 08:30:45 AM
I disagree with his views, as well, as a devout Roman Catholic, I must say that he goes against church teachings, which are the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

My pastor, who I can say is my close confidant has always told me this:
"Forgive those who hurt you, Bless those who harm you, and try your best your utmost best to turn the other cheek. Show mercy and you shall be given mercy, show compassion and you shall be given compassion."

We are all sinners, no one is exempt, not even Bishop Cruz. 

 
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: svetlana on March 29, 2008, 08:39:06 AM
korek jud ka Bran, murag nakalimot ang Archbishop sa iyang gipang preach kay he's doing the exact opposite man. This is but a clear example of hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: gelyan on March 29, 2008, 09:50:22 AM
lol...what a news! all I can say...never judge anyone even if we know he/she commits sin.. always remember there's a jurisprudence in heaven who will judge in times...who are we to judge other people...its not our business! kinsa man sad ta para magjudge ni GMA? unya kinsa pud ta para magjudge ni padre cruz...nyahaha hahay...in short if we are all Christians and if we believe in God we know how to tame our tongue this is one of our doctrine as Christians...   :-X  :-X  :-X
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 10:00:29 AM
hypocisy. what about the hundreds of cases of priests molesting young boys behind the altar?





Korek!

Religion has nothing to do with politics!

Now I know ngano gi separate jud ni sila diri sa Merika!

Archbishop i wished you should've mind your own business!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 29, 2008, 11:40:26 AM
mura sad mog wala nakaila ni ato glow! or nagpaka buta bungol lang ba kaha mo? sakto lang to gibuhat ni Archbishop. Dili man ka mahimong Archbishop kun wala kay Masters degree sa Theology and Divinity. The question is who are we to question the Archbishops decisions? wala ra ta sa kumingkingan sa iyang knowledge about theology and divinity...
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: lindy on March 29, 2008, 11:54:10 AM
Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz vowed yesterday not to give holy communion to President Arroyo, members of her family, and other known “sinners” in the country.

Cruz told the Newsmakers Forum held every Wednesday at the Crowne Plaza in Mandaluyong City that he will encourage the Catholic Church leadership, specifically the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), not to allow any publicly known sinners like Mrs. Arroyo and members of the First Family to receive communion.

“A publicly known sinner and a good number of them receiving communion in public, I think it is a scandal. I would not give communion to people whom I know as a public sinner. No,” Cruz said when asked if he will give communion to the Arroyos.

Cruz said it pains him very much to see Mrs. Arroyo and the other publicly known sinners ostensibly going to Church every time the Arroyo government is being dragged in controversy, and receiving communion in public.

“In our moral theology, that is a principle. If one gives communion to sinners the Church is scandalized,” Cruz said.

Cruz also admitted that the CBCP is divided over the clamor for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because of monetary considerations.

He said at least eight bishops, including himself, are calling for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because they believe that the Arroyo government has no moral ascendancy to govern because of the rampant corruption involving ranking government officials.

Cruz said that there are also seven bishops who are supporting Mrs. Arroyo, while the majority of the 92 bishops nationwide are neutral.

He said the call of the CBCP for Mrs. Arroyo to allow Commission on Higher Education chairman Romulo Neri to testify before the Senate, abolish Executive Order 464 and to allow the other officials who have knowledge about the national broadband network (NBN) deal to reveal what they know about the scandal, can still change.

“The CBCP’s pronouncement is stagnant and static in terms of socio-economic issues. It can change. How could you just remain silent, quiet and stand still after you say the government is morally corrupt and morally bankrupt? It is not a political but a moral duty of the priests. I looked at that as a moral dimension. Once the politicians are already above the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. If politicians are exempted from the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. But if politicians are still bound by the Ten Commandments, I will continue to speak. The Church is the soul of the nation,” Cruz said.

Cruz said God is always in favor of those who follow the Ten Commandments.

source: (STAR) By Jose Rodel Clapano

I don't agree with him, kinsa man siya nga manghuwes sa iyang isigkatawo.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Raquelproud boholana on March 29, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
The Archbishop is just doing the right thing.If there is ignorance, instruct the ignorant. If there is obstinacy, exact the canonical
penalty. To fail to do so results not only in ignorance and obstinacy, but negligence and
permissiveness: the fertile soil in which a degenerating culture can multiply its errors,
bear evil fruit, and die. Religious leaders are in a unique position to influence the nation
and the world for the better by calling their people to high moral standards. Failure to do
so ultimately results in disaster, for the moral demise of a nation always precedes the
ultimate demise of a nation.The version of separation
of church and state that is presently being foisted on an unsuspecting public is tantamount
to a suppression of the fundamental constitutional rights of a class of citizens. Since when
is Christian thought not permitted to influence a country that was founded on Christian
principles? We share in the good and the evil of those we place in office. The Catechism
of the Catholic Church teaches that, although “sin is a personal act, we have a
responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them” (CCC
#1868). We can be accomplices in the sins of others:
By participating directly and voluntarily in them;
By ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
By not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
Any candidate for political office, Catholic or otherwise, who is in favor of intrinsically
evil things (abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, etc), votes for them, or otherwise
funds or furthers their cause, cannot be supported in any way by a Catholic who wishes to
remain Catholic in fact, not just in name. Catholic office holders, whether presidents,
senators, congress men or women, or judges at any level must adhere to Catholic teaching
or run the risk of separating themselves from the Body of Christ. In such egregious and
chronic cases of gross moral evil such as instituting and perpetuating abortion and the
structures of sin that surround it, it is quite probable that such Catholic officials are
excommunicated in virtue of the acts themselves. A latae sententiae (automatic)
excommunication is likely triggered when they vote for laws, funding, and structures that
enable and perpetuate such obvious and egregious evil (Cf. Code of Canon Law, Canons
1364,1398; Canon 1329, par. #2). They are in turn forbidden from approaching the
sacraments as the result (Cf. Catechism of Catholic Church #1463).
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: pioneer on March 29, 2008, 01:14:40 PM
The corruption in our country does not point to GMA alone.

If we review our Bohol news section, we read a kagawad in Carmen who admitted before Capitol's investigation team that he used up Bohol's poverty program fund to finance his election campaign last May. Did GMA instruct the Carmen, Bohol kagawad to do that?

The corruption is already widespread. Many barangay captains and kagawads are corrupt, too. Should they be denied communion too?

Knowledge of theology does not make one special in the eyes of God. The cardinals and bishops who were accused of pedophile (child molestation) are holders of Ph.D. in Divinity.

Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Romans 3:12: "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (King James Version).

The Prophet Isaiah, after seeing the glory and holiness of God:

Isaiah 6:1-10 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, [which] he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid [it] upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here [am] I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Even the prophet Isaiah did not claim of being "holier than you" mentality.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 01:36:05 PM
Then why not make the Archbishop lead out country then?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 02:03:04 PM
The Archbishop is just doing the right thing.If there is ignorance, instruct the ignorant. If there is obstinacy, exact the canonical
penalty. To fail to do so results not only in ignorance and obstinacy, but negligence and
permissiveness: the fertile soil in which a degenerating culture can multiply its errors,
bear evil fruit, and die. Religious leaders are in a unique position to influence the nation
and the world for the better by calling their people to high moral standards. Failure to do
so ultimately results in disaster, for the moral demise of a nation always precedes the
ultimate demise of a nation.The version of separation
of church and state that is presently being foisted on an unsuspecting public is tantamount
to a suppression of the fundamental constitutional rights of a class of citizens. Since when
is Christian thought not permitted to influence a country that was founded on Christian
principles? We share in the good and the evil of those we place in office. The Catechism
of the Catholic Church teaches that, although “sin is a personal act, we have a
responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them” (CCC
#1868). We can be accomplices in the sins of others:
By participating directly and voluntarily in them;
By ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
By not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
Any candidate for political office, Catholic or otherwise, who is in favor of intrinsically
evil things (abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, etc), votes for them, or otherwise
funds or furthers their cause, cannot be supported in any way by a Catholic who wishes to
remain Catholic in fact, not just in name. Catholic office holders, whether presidents,
senators, congress men or women, or judges at any level must adhere to Catholic teaching
or run the risk of separating themselves from the Body of Christ. In such egregious and
chronic cases of gross moral evil such as instituting and perpetuating abortion and the
structures of sin that surround it, it is quite probable that such Catholic officials are
excommunicated in virtue of the acts themselves. A latae sententiae (automatic)
excommunication is likely triggered when they vote for laws, funding, and structures that
enable and perpetuate such obvious and egregious evil (Cf. Code of Canon Law, Canons
1364,1398; Canon 1329, par. #2). They are in turn forbidden from approaching the
sacraments as the result (Cf. Catechism of Catholic Church #1463).

Raquel,

This post is very educational and I agree with it for the most part, in terms of moral responsibility. I do not doubt the truth and correctness of Catholic teachings, pero I have a problem in how Archbishop Cruz directed his judgment to President Arroyo and her family, especially in the manner that he publicized it. It is evident that there is a clear political agenda, as to pressure her until she gives in, so that she can partake of the blessed Eucharist, the Body and Blood of the Lord, Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Redeemer.

You cannot sell the body of Christ for political amnesty, political favors, or the change of policy, that is a total abomination of church teachings. You see, it would be different if Archbishop contacted Arroyo and her family personally and secretly and told her, but it is different when one goes public and announces this. For who can separate us from the Love of Our Christ? No One! Not angels, not heirarchs, seraphims, cherubim, not the storms, natural ailments, not kings, emperors, not even the Devil (May the Almight Father Rebuke Him!) or his legions of demons who prowl the earth for lost souls! No One! Christ Came for those who have sinned, for those who have malicious hearts, for the unbelievers! Remember the parable of the Prodigal Son that Christ Jesus told his desciples? It illustrates the TOTAL and ABSOLUTE Love of our Father in Heaven!
"Then the father said to him, 'Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. But we had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and has been found."
Luke 15:11-3
The eucharist is there for us. What about myself, yourself, and all the faithful? Are we not sinners before the eyes of God?

Did His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI even deny his own iniquities? No, he admits to his own iniquities, and the heir of Blessed Peter the Apostle even tells us to show mercy to those of a different faith; per se our muslim brothers and sisters. So why does His Eminence Bishop Cruz say this? I mean this in no disrespect to His Eminence, but merely questioning his motives and his judgment.

It is good to contemplate on a specific scripture in reference to this.
Read Romans Chapter 5 verses 12 to 17:

"Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned-sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.And the free gift is not like the effect of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brings justification.If, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ."


Thank You Raquel for sharing that information, and thank you for sharing your view point. Amen!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 02:15:23 PM
Jee i wish i could say the same Dodong, you said it all!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 02:19:42 PM
The corruption in our country does not point to GMA alone.

If we review our Bohol news section, we read a kagawad in Carmen who admitted before Capitol's investigation team that he used up Bohol's poverty program fund to finance his election campaign last May. Did GMA instruct the Carmen, Bohol kagawad to do that?

The corruption is already widespread. Many barangay captains and kagawads are corrupt, too. Should they be denied communion too?

Knowledge of theology does not make one special in the eyes of God. The cardinals and bishops who were accused of pedophile (child molestation) are holders of Ph.D. in Divinity.

Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Romans 3:12: "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (King James Version).

The Prophet Isaiah, after seeing the glory and holiness of God:

Isaiah 6:1-10 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, [which] he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid [it] upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here [am] I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Even the prophet Isaiah did not claim of being "holier than you" mentality.





Yeheeey!

very well said!

nalaktasan naho nih!

pakpak ko ani mga kapatid!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: pioneer on March 29, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
From the Gospel of Jesus Christ (King James Version). Reality Check for the Archbishop.

Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, "God, I thank You that I am not like other men - extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess."

And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, "God, be merciful to me a sinner!"

(Jesus said:) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 11:28:13 PM
Ahaaa!

koreeeek!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: pioneer on March 29, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
After reading this passage from the Bible, I decide to rest my case regarding this topic.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 29, 2008, 11:32:39 PM
Honestly, I couldn't care less about this.

If a person's heart is as black as coal, and as evil as can be, bisan pa usa ka kilo nga osteyas, dili na matabang. Bisan pa moinom ug usa ka litrong holy water, wala gihapon effect.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 11:42:13 PM
bwahahahah

Pwera gaba!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: orChids on March 29, 2008, 11:46:22 PM
Sus basin iyaha ra nang isyu pari-a na kay gustong musikat pod.Sakay sa panahon.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Brownman on March 29, 2008, 11:47:01 PM
mao nay guiingun C2 nga dili makadajun sa
purgatoryo kay dili ablihan ni san pedro.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: lindy on March 30, 2008, 12:15:56 AM
mao nay guiingun C2 nga dili makadajun sa
purgatoryo kay dili ablihan ni san pedro.

gaw di ba si sa pedro tua sa ganghaan sa langit...
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 12:19:27 AM
^Mr Brownman, pag mention nimo ni San Pedro, gigutom ko kay naka remember ko sa Sr Pedro Lechon Manok
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 12:21:26 AM
mao nay guiingun C2 nga dili makadajun sa
purgatoryo kay dili ablihan ni san pedro.

gaw di ba si sa pedro tua sa ganghaan sa langit...



Lindy and C2 dears, you both have very extreme oposite discription of San Pedro!

hahahahhahahahha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: lindy on March 30, 2008, 12:24:59 AM
daghan man gud papel si san pedro dear.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 12:27:27 AM
^mas nindot akong description ms belle kay makabusog
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
wahahahha!

huy asa na imong Nawong sa avatar?

OT: i like your toy, naay close up ana or dako nga image?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Brownman on March 30, 2008, 12:33:26 AM
duha man kuno ang pwisto ni san Pedro gaw sa purgatoryo
ug sa langit ang ijang manok nga maoy guiingun ni C2 guilitsun
na ni mang Andoks, arang lami-a raba

kining san pedro bitaw sa amung lugar engrande ni nga adlaw kay
mangaligo ming tanang taga baryo didto sa dagat, kadtung ngapujo sa bukid
manugbung sila diri sa dagat para magbasa basa ug mag tagay tagay.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: lindy on March 30, 2008, 12:34:02 AM
wahahahha!

huy asa na imong Nawong sa avatar?

OT: i like your toy, naay close up ana or dako nga image?

ako usang gitaguan kay basin makit an sa mga karaan nga dia diri nag suroy suroy basin masukmatan tas mga panaad nga wala matuman hehehe. btw I will try kon ako na mapadak-an. Hilig diay pod ka ani duna pod koy lain karaan nga 22 magnum.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 12:37:16 AM
Aguy picturi Dear dayun i post sa thread nga collections!

im waiting!  (sus ka demanding nako oi!)

Take your time...
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: John on March 30, 2008, 12:50:41 AM
Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz vowed yesterday not to give holy communion to President Arroyo, members of her family, and other known “sinners” in the country.

Cruz told the Newsmakers Forum held every Wednesday at the Crowne Plaza in Mandaluyong City that he will encourage the Catholic Church leadership, specifically the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), not to allow any publicly known sinners like Mrs. Arroyo and members of the First Family to receive communion.

“A publicly known sinner and a good number of them receiving communion in public, I think it is a scandal. I would not give communion to people whom I know as a public sinner. No,” Cruz said when asked if he will give communion to the Arroyos.

Cruz said it pains him very much to see Mrs. Arroyo and the other publicly known sinners ostensibly going to Church every time the Arroyo government is being dragged in controversy, and receiving communion in public.

“In our moral theology, that is a principle. If one gives communion to sinners the Church is scandalized,” Cruz said.

Cruz also admitted that the CBCP is divided over the clamor for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because of monetary considerations.

He said at least eight bishops, including himself, are calling for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because they believe that the Arroyo government has no moral ascendancy to govern because of the rampant corruption involving ranking government officials.

Cruz said that there are also seven bishops who are supporting Mrs. Arroyo, while the majority of the 92 bishops nationwide are neutral.

He said the call of the CBCP for Mrs. Arroyo to allow Commission on Higher Education chairman Romulo Neri to testify before the Senate, abolish Executive Order 464 and to allow the other officials who have knowledge about the national broadband network (NBN) deal to reveal what they know about the scandal, can still change.

“The CBCP’s pronouncement is stagnant and static in terms of socio-economic issues. It can change. How could you just remain silent, quiet and stand still after you say the government is morally corrupt and morally bankrupt? It is not a political but a moral duty of the priests. I looked at that as a moral dimension. Once the politicians are already above the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. If politicians are exempted from the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. But if politicians are still bound by the Ten Commandments, I will continue to speak. The Church is the soul of the nation,” Cruz said.

Cruz said God is always in favor of those who follow the Ten Commandments.

source: (STAR) By Jose Rodel Clapano

Kini nga pare or Arcbishop. labaw sad ni nga makakasala. unta kung duol man sya sa gino-o i ampo nya nga matarong na ang administration dili kay mo judge sya , Kinsa man sya nga mo judge nga kitang tanan mga makasala man ma pare ka ug ma butakal. Uhm I'm catholic pero what he did is not rigth.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Brownman on March 30, 2008, 12:53:44 AM
hala ang heart nato john
take good care of it, he, he
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 12:54:20 AM
hala ang heart nato john
take good care of it, he, he




Hahaha Yet i was about to say that too!

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Brownman on March 30, 2008, 12:57:25 AM
hala ang heart nato john
take good care of it, he, he

mao bitaw Ms Bell ako lang guipakatawa si
john kay seryoso cja karun.



Hahaha Yet i was about to say that too!


Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 01:01:44 AM
We are all sinners. Bow.

John: didto baya ko Duluth last week. Gipangita tika, nag tago tago man ka.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 02:20:56 AM
Pagkalingawa nko basa injong mga posts karong buntaga oi!  Sus, sayuha ba ni nang mata si Bella ug Ethyl na kadlawon naman unta ni nangatulog! hahaha

Thyl, lami bitaw tong San Pedro lechon manok sa Cagayan ba unya pati tong ilang liempo.   ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:10:31 AM
From the Gospel of Jesus Christ (King James Version). Reality Check for the Archbishop.

Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, "God, I thank You that I am not like other men - extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess."

And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, "God, be merciful to me a sinner!"

(Jesus said:) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

ate glow is worse than a tax collector and the Pharisee combined
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:13:16 AM
Pasalamat si ate glow wala siya gi excommunicate sa roman catholic church
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 05:16:34 AM
You cannot be excommunicated unless you commit a travesty that is beyond blasphemy. Excommunication is only for those who publicly denounce church teachings. What has she done that merits her excommunication? All politicians sin, every man, woman and child sins. We are born with sin.

This is all I'm going to say.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:23:02 AM
We can not let our country to be ruled by a thief...its more than blasphemy when you caused the suffering of many people
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 05:31:15 AM
I agree with you, Dong!

I admit GMA is unpopular but there are always two sides of the coin.  I remember when GMA was still new in Malacanang after Erap was ousted, the workers were complaining because GMA was so serious in her job and she expected the workers to be serious too.  After she goes to church at 6 a.m. she was there working already.   She was no nonsense. She meant good for her country.  Yes, I don't think she did something to merit all this talk about excommunication.  That is so preposterous! 
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:33:42 AM
maayo jud ninyo pagkabrainwash sa arroyo administration
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Raquelproud boholana on March 30, 2008, 05:37:23 AM
I think I base my judgement on the Archbishop on assuming that he has solid evidence of Arroyo guilt.Thats why I said he is doing the right thing. If the Archbishop  base it on rumors it can be wrong because  you should make a judgement on matter like this base on proven fact.Let us hope that the Archbishop base his decision on the facts of the matter and not personaly disliking the Arroyo family.Dislike and or rumors about someone is not reason for excommunication.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 05:37:39 AM
We can not let our country to be ruled by a thief...its more than blasphemy when you caused the suffering of many people

When Erap stole the coffers of our country, he was tried and found guilty and convicted.  If GMA did that, the court of law will be the judge to that.  Not you or me.  Not the Archbishop. 

The sufferings of our people started from way back during Marcos and Imelda era.  Then Erap.  Did anybody talke about having these people excommunicated? Again, no one is saying GMA or me or anybody is worthy of God's forgiveness.  But we are forgiven.  And again, that is grace.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:38:37 AM
this is all i can say to the arroyo administration...

(Slackware, I can not allow you to disrespect us here.  I removed the picture you posted. Grazie7y, Global Admin)
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 05:39:42 AM
maayo jud ninyo pagkabrainwash sa arroyo administration

hahahah.  How is it being brainwashed by the Arroyo administration?  Sige, peace be with you, slackware!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
We can not let our country to be ruled by a thief...its more than blasphemy when you caused the suffering of many people

When Erap stole the coffers of our country, he was tried and found guilty and convicted.  If GMA did that, the court of law will be the judge to that.  Not you or me.  Not the Archbishop. 

The sufferings of our people started from way back during Marcos and Imelda era.  Then Erap.  Did anybody talke about having these people excommunicated? Again, no one is saying GMA or me or anybody is worthy of God's forgiveness.  But we are forgiven.  And again, that is grace.

mas grabe ang sufferings karon sa time ni arroyo...
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:42:51 AM
maayo jud ninyo pagkabrainwash sa arroyo administration

hahahah.  How is it being brainwashed by the Arroyo administration?  Sige, peace be with you, slackware!

it seems that you're a devoted loyalist of ate glow aka the 4'11" menace...
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 05:43:21 AM
Taym ako raba mo moderate ani...

pwede ba nang finger image diri?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:45:38 AM
tanggala at your own risk...for what purpose ba naa tay moderator dire? di ba para anang mga situations like that?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 05:49:27 AM
tanggala at your own risk...for what purpose ba naa tay moderator dire? di ba para anang mga situations like that?



I was only thinking pero it looks okay man! 

kamot raman na sha!

hahahhahahha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 05:50:34 AM
Nope, I removed it.  It was so disrespectful. 
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 05:51:41 AM
aw wala na diay?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:52:22 AM
Nope, I removed it.  It was so disrespectful. 

aha! loyalist jud lage diay ka ni ate glow ha!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 05:56:03 AM
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Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 07:09:50 AM
hahahahha!

Huy para walay samok akoy mo lansar sunod Election!

tabangi ko ninyo ha? tabangi'g duot!

hahahahhahah

di bitaw ko oi kay di pa jud na mo prosper atong nasud bisan pila pa ka Presidente gikan karon.

just my prediction....
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: John on March 30, 2008, 07:16:11 AM
bwa- ha ha ha common sense lang yon, Mostly sa mga tao sa Pilipinas, naghulat lang nga taga-an ug bugas sa atong gobyerno, naghulat nga ma barato ug balik ang mga paliton mga tapulan. Bisan pa siguro ug si George Bush ang ma Presidente sa Phil. dili na mabarato ug balik ang mga paliton.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 07:18:20 AM
korek Ash, ning mahal man gani kaajo ang GAS diri nga naa tay daghang datung, sa Pinas pa nga daghang bayronon?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 07:28:43 AM
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: John on March 30, 2008, 07:39:49 AM
Insoy Good point and I'm second demotion.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 07:41:01 AM
Truly, I mean this, the fault needs to be placed on the hypocrites in the Senate and in the Congress. One day they bow before our President when she addresses the nation, the next day they are quick to stab her on the back if a group of uneducated, biased, unemployed people decide to protest.

Most of these protesters do not even understand politics, nor do they understand the difficulties of managing a government that is EXTREMELY  corrupt as that of the Philippines. People complain about how Arroyo is too severe, too strict, too this, too that. What would they want? A president that is soft and deny the fact that we do have political corruption, that the country is in war with communists and muslim extremist? If it were only so easy, dear friends. This is why idealogues don't run nations, they teach; realists and leaders, like Arroyo, run nations. She has to do what she has to do. Can they not see through their eyes that on the general scale, the country is progressing?

I grow so tired of people that complain day and night, even with progress, they still complain. Do they expect bread and butter to be handed to their face and coke and sprite to be fed to their mouths as well? Sorry! The people need to understand that our country is a third world nation, and those that are responsible for most of this wide spread corruption is not the Arroyo administration, but the devious senators, congressmen that take large chunks of pork barelling. Dare I even say that the president is innocent? Nay! Of course she isn't as she has to play the games of politics in order to PROPERLY work our corrupt government that runs in such a system. If she does not, the country will not work.

Do you understand? Its a concept of 'the chicken and the egg' so to say. Only the song that should be sung is "who is corrupt, the president or the entire congress?" Understand?

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 08:20:54 AM
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 




Dodong unsaon naman na ron nga di naman gani sha pwede mangalawat, aber? so meaning ang mga tawo raba sa atoa mo tuo raba ug mga pari ug Bishops kay sa politiko? Sus mao jud na akong ingon ni Tiya Gracia nga ang mga tawo gani ug naay mo lead nga istrikto dili ganahan kay di sila ka palagaylay. Karon kay mahimutang naman sad na nga mailisan na si Ate Glow? Kay gi buling bulingan naman sha? Im for Ate Glow baya pero ang nakaapan ang atong mga tawo dili cooperative.

Unsaon naman lang ning among suliran, Kuya Eddie?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 09:41:34 AM
Ate,

The problem stems to the influence of the Catholic Church in politics. I am against religious interaction in politics, either it be direct or indirect. There must be a clear line that separates both groups, as so long as this establishment continues to operate this way, it will stay the same in the future. Though I am against total secularization of the Philippines, as I do believe that it is important that we retain our christian roots and morality, I do believe that there needs to be laws in place that controls church influence.

For one, Bishop Cruz's interference in a political arena is an example of a clergyma's dereliction to religious duties. His motives are already questionable. I have no qualms with Catholic Doctrine nor am I lambasting the Catholic Church, I just personally believe that there needs to be a separation of both church and state.

Lastly, the main problem in the Philippines is the passions of the people. I am not saying that government becomes completely deaf to the cries of the people, but however government needs to stick to policy and decisions that will benefit the people, not a crowd of individuals with an agenda (protesters).

Take for example the United States, the Congress is targetted by dozens of protesters everyday due to policies on healthcare, military, immigration, taxes, job outsourcing, sexual rights, gender rights, etc. You name it, you find it. However, one notices that in the United States, the government's job is to preserve and protect the sanctity of the Constitution and to maintain the course that our forefathers implemented since the creation of this American Republic almost 3 centuries ago. The passions of the people, though they may go against traditional laws, will change all the time. If government adopts a position to support every single protest, then this country would be plagued with instability and laws that wouldn't be followed due to any protesting of ammendments etc. The administration in power's job is to observe the people, and make decisions for the good of the people, not just the demands of an assembled few (protesters).

The fate of our Republic, to which over 91,000,000 citizens live in, must not be dictated by several thousand protesters. Our citizens elected politicians, educated in the theories of law and economics, to faithfully operate the helms of the nation; NOT a mob of protesters.


Good point of view, Ate Belle.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: B:) on March 30, 2008, 11:19:08 AM
hala naunsa naman ni nga thread oi :(

Mao na lagi ni akong giingon ba nga Religion ang Politics are topics that I wanted to skip as much as I can. I didn't help myself lang gyud mao na naka post ko dayon right from the very beginning of this thread.

Mao rana akong masulti.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 

do you really believe in all these stuffs? i mean theres no doubt she is brilliantly intelligent thats why cheating the presidential election is one of her best strategy. how can you say she's the best best leader the country needs right now when you are living and enjoying most of your life the american way? you dont have any idea how the common filipino suffered under her administration. ask the palengke vendors if the so called 7% rise of GNP has made a difference in their lives? your statistics are all wrong!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 11:54:30 AM
My relatives live in the Philippines, in Bohol to be specific. I have an uncle who is the Postmaster for Valencia, uncles who work abroad as Engineers and give back to their relatives in the Philippines (Bohol, Pampanga), I have cousins who live in Bohol, and I have aunts in the government, and one aunt who is the Assistant Provincial Director of Bohol.

Talks with them in the phone and with my cousins and uncles have been about how the country is prospering, changes are happening in the Philippines. What you may claim to be regression is seen as progress and positive changes by others.

Additionally, so what if I am in the United States? Do I not have a say on my own beloved homeland? Was I not born in Bohol and raised in the Bisayan way of life? Do I not speak Bol-anon as you do? Do you consider me any less for being overseas and raised in the American Way of life?

Additionally, Marjun, my statistics are from economists in the Philippines and economic think tanks in the United States and abroad.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: slackware on March 30, 2008, 12:19:12 PM
My relatives live in the Philippines, in Bohol to be specific. I have an uncle who is the Postmaster for Valencia, uncles who work abroad as Engineers and give back to their relatives in the Philippines (Bohol, Pampanga), I have cousins who live in Bohol, and I have aunts in the government, and one aunt who is the Assistant Provincial Director of Bohol.

Talks with them in the phone and with my cousins and uncles have been about how the country is prospering, changes are happening in the Philippines. What you may claim to be regression is seen as progress and positive changes by others.

Additionally, so what if I am in the United States? Do I not have a say on my own beloved homeland? Was I not born in Bohol and raised in the Bisayan way of life? Do I not speak Bol-anon as you do? Do you consider me any less for being overseas and raised in the American Way of life?

Additionally, Marjun, my statistics are from economists in the Philippines and economic think tanks in the United States and abroad.


yup! you have wealthy relatives like you! how wud they understand the real score? statistics are only based on the incomes of the few rich businessmen. if you only have a chance to talk to the mountain and village people, they wud say diffirent statistics based on actual
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 12:50:53 PM
I have so many relatives in Bohol.  They are so poor but they were like that when Marcos was the president.  Actually, they didn't know they are poor because that's the life they grow up with.  They go fishing, sell their catch, drink tuba and the would do exactly the same the next day and all these years.  We were much poorer then but we worked so hard.  Our parents couldn't afford to send us to high school and college but we persevered.  We wanted to change the course of our life.  We are not rich now, in fact we still consider ourselves as poor because there are times we can't send our sick to the hospital because we don't have money but we are much better now because of hard work, determination and perseverance and not because we expected the previous presidents of the Philippines and GMA to change the course of our lives.  The masang Pilipino or the tenderas are being used by the politicians as icon of poverty.  These people are working hard to earn a living.  Life is tough but we know that already.  And no one has the right to tell me I don't know how it is to be poor because we have been the poorest of poors.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 01:21:30 PM
Growing up helping my lola with her drugstore, I've sold a lot of drugs to men from the different barrios nga modayo sa poblacion every Sunday para mamuwang. They spend all their money to buy drugs for their manok para makadaug kuno. A lot of these men also have a fondness for tuba and tabako. And then they complain about their miserable lives. I've told them, if you think your life is miserable, why don't you do something about it? They always reply with, "unsaon man day, dinhi ra gyud kutob akong makab-ot, sa kapobrehon ra gyud ko taman".

It is not a person's fault that he is born poor. However, if he doesn't like being poor, he has it within himself to change his fate. In that case, if he dies poor, that is his fault.

Makalagot ning mga tawo nga mag sige ug reklamo sa ilang ka pobrehon unya mga tapulan, wala'y mga ambisyon. Imbes maningkamot mahaw-as sa kapobrehon, mag bisyo na hinuon...inom tuba, mag tabako, mag sugal...wala'y kuarta ipalit pagkaon unya naay kuarta para sa mga bisyo.

If your life is miserable, it is your own fault. No one else's. Don't blame everything on the government. You are miserable by your own doing.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 01:48:38 PM
My relatives live in the Philippines, in Bohol to be specific. I have an uncle who is the Postmaster for Valencia, uncles who work abroad as Engineers and give back to their relatives in the Philippines (Bohol, Pampanga), I have cousins who live in Bohol, and I have aunts in the government, and one aunt who is the Assistant Provincial Director of Bohol.

Talks with them in the phone and with my cousins and uncles have been about how the country is prospering, changes are happening in the Philippines. What you may claim to be regression is seen as progress and positive changes by others.

Additionally, so what if I am in the United States? Do I not have a say on my own beloved homeland? Was I not born in Bohol and raised in the Bisayan way of life? Do I not speak Bol-anon as you do? Do you consider me any less for being overseas and raised in the American Way of life?

Additionally, Marjun, my statistics are from economists in the Philippines and economic think tanks in the United States and abroad.


yup! you have wealthy relatives like you! how wud they understand the real score? statistics are only based on the incomes of the few rich businessmen. if you only have a chance to talk to the mountain and village people, they wud say diffirent statistics based on actual

Sorry, but please don't generalize.

My relatives are not wealthy, my family comes from very humble beginnings. My father's dad did not even finish elementary school. My papa titing came from pintuyan island in southern leyte and hitched on a pumpboat when he was only 8 y/o to get away and make a living, it was his own hard work and his faith that led him to survive; and his wife was only a school teacher, and they had 7 children and all finished college. And my Papa Titing, my father's dad, died when my dad was only 21 y/o, leaving the entire family crippled. However, they all sacrificed, my lola worked overtime and family aided them so that they were all successful. My aunt, most especially, was helpful for her other brothers. My family is very humble, and it was not wealth that brought them to their current disposition, but through HARD and HONEST work.

My mother's side of the family. My mother's father and mother did not even go to college; my lolo ciano didn't even finish elementary school because he came from a poor family in barangay anas in valencia, in the bukid. He had 12 brothers and sisters, and as the eldest he worked, in the basak, as a boy helper; he went to Mindanao in his youth to help his family, as for my lola nating, she worked ans a business woman. And they were both able to send their children to college and finish; all of them. Not because of wealth, no, they were very poor. But through the grace of God, faith and hard work that my relatives were successful.

The same for us here in the 'states. There is not one day we forget of our humble beginnings.
We are not wealthy, but honest and hard working family members. The Lucino-Salvo-Ebuenga-Salise family are hard working people. We are not elites, but simple commoners.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 02:20:06 PM
Insoy Good point and I'm second demotion.

And I second your seconding dodong's motion, Mr John aka Ashton.

Unsa na ni oi, wrong grammar nako kaayo ani, pero bahala na, basta mao na to.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 02:24:24 PM
OT: Its funny how the same Bishop Cruz is denying his own statement.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 02:28:21 PM
^dong, he makes his own fire but he can't take the heat, IMO
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 02:32:57 PM
Kuyawa no? Na lingaw jud ko sa ang emotions sa kaning thread, kai ning show jud ang kristiano-ness sa ang mga pnoy. Naka point out gud ta diri sa ang faults sa bishop's statement, and ang personal anecdotes sa members diri is very humbling kaayo, especialamente ang historidad  nimo 'te sa drugstore sa imung lola, ang story pood sa pamilya ni 'te Ging. Luuy kaayo pero ma inspired pood ko lagi kai hard working man mo tanan, ang espirito sa tao lagi is defined by his actions and works. 'te, i agree with you jud on your statement about helping yourself. 110% agree with you.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
^Dong, I want you to know that I am proud of you. You have unbelievable composure and a level of maturity that belies your age.

The measure of a man is seen by how he reacts when things don't go his way. Others fall apart while others are strengthened by adversity.

If that Archbishop had an ounce of your tact, dodong...we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 02:43:44 PM
Mao jud, Dong!  Wa untay mahitabo sa among kinabuhi if we didn't defy poverty then.  I didn't say we were unhappy then even if at times we didn't have food to eat but we wanted more. we wanted education. we wanted to be able to help our younger siblings get education too.  we wanted better life for our parents when they grow older. and there was no other way but to leave home and work.  of course, it was also because we had so much faith that God would us to our desire to have a change, a better change of the course of our lives.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 02:45:47 PM
Tiya ang uban gusto lang ug hatagan kanunay! Dili na sila maning kamot!

Pwera gabz!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 02:46:17 PM
Haha, 'te I am nothing, I told you that. In the large scheme of things all of us are mud, dust, and to dust shall we return. All glory and praise goes to the Almighty Father, who strengthens all of us, and instills within us a sense of truth, kindness, and perserverance.

I mean this pood. Ikaw 'te, you are such a sharp individual, to the point and to the truth. I am always in awe of what you say kai tinuud man jud what you say. I mean this, ha.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 02:47:11 PM
^Dong, I want you to know that I am proud of you. You have unbelievable composure and a level of maturity that belies your age.

The measure of a man is seen by how he reacts when things don't go his way. Others fall apart while others are strengthened by adversity.

If that Archbishop had an ounce of your tact, dodong...we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.



I agree, Thyl!  I particularly like this sentence:  The measure of a man is seen by how he reacts when things don't go his way.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 02:50:55 PM
Mao jud, Dong!  Wa untay mahitabo sa among kinabuhi if we didn't defy poverty then.  I didn't say we were unhappy then even if at times we didn't have food to eat but we wanted more. we wanted education. we wanted to be able to help our younger siblings get education too.  we wanted better life for our parents when they grow older. and there was no other way but to leave home and work.  of course, it was also because we had so much faith that God would us to our desire to have a change, a better change of the course of our lives.

My beloved Ate Ging,

I never knew about your family history, hapit pood ta mo hilak to hear about it kai maka remember pood ko sa ang mama ug papa sa ahong ginikanan. Ning sacrifice sila tanana para maka succeed ilang anak, and maka realize pood ko the things my parents do for me and my siblings is a continuation of the sacrifices of my lolos and lolas. Ma humbled pood ta sa ang humble beginnings of your parents, and your relatives, 'te, kai no matter what, wa jud mo ning give up. You know that? You guys are the true heroes of the Philippines, kai naka succeed mo tanana despite the odds and the hardships.

Naa ang saying "a man is average, but a man who sustains hardships, storms, and yet continues forward, is more than a man. He is a godly man." Mao na ang definition sa ninyo, 'te. I really mean it. The hardships that i have, that my siblings have, and us 1st/2nd generation Fil-Ams is NOTHING compared to the hardships that you guys had to go through. And it makes us really think what hard work is, and was. Inspiring mo tanan, especialamente namo.

God Bless You, all of You!
More Power to you guys!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 02:51:54 PM
Tiya ang uban gusto lang ug hatagan kanunay! Dili na sila maning kamot!

Pwera gabz!

Oi, naa ra diay ka!  Pastilan dear, makujapan man ta nimo ning kalit lang ka sulpot! hahahaha 

Mao jud, Maring, sige lang fret!  Kaluoy sa Ginoo, wa man intawon ga blame among family sa among kapobrihon sa una oi sa gobyerno oi!  Gakalisud mi kay way nahibaluan na trabaho si Daddy.  Naa mi mga fishermen na family members.  Kabalo sila na kon di sila managat, wa sila'y makuha unya usahay naay dimalas pero sa kanunay naay swerte.  Sa panahon na naay daghan kuha na bolinaw igo2x naay masobra ma gamos ug ma buwad busa sa panahon na way kuha, naay ginamos ug buwad makuot pasud-an!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 02:55:10 PM
tiuod jud Tiya, karon lahi na mga tawo noh? gusto sigi lang dawat limpyo?

OT: karon pa ko nakabalik sa room, Mike was playing and i went to see him, para lucky charm!

hahahaha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 02:57:22 PM
Mao jud, Dong!  Wa untay mahitabo sa among kinabuhi if we didn't defy poverty then.  I didn't say we were unhappy then even if at times we didn't have food to eat but we wanted more. we wanted education. we wanted to be able to help our younger siblings get education too.  we wanted better life for our parents when they grow older. and there was no other way but to leave home and work.  of course, it was also because we had so much faith that God would us to our desire to have a change, a better change of the course of our lives.

My beloved Ate Ging,

I never knew about your family history, hapit pood ta mo hilak to hear about it kai maka remember pood ko sa ang mama ug papa sa ahong ginikanan. Ning sacrifice sila tanana para maka succeed ilang anak, and maka realize pood ko the things my parents do for me and my siblings is a continuation of the sacrifices of my lolos and lolas. Ma humbled pood ta sa ang humble beginnings of your parents, and your relatives, 'te, kai no matter what, wa jud mo ning give up. You know that? You guys are the true heroes of the Philippines, kai naka succeed mo tanana despite the odds and the hardships.

Naa ang saying "a man is average, but a man who sustains hardships, storms, and yet continues forward, is more than a man. He is a godly man." Mao na ang definition sa ninyo, 'te. I really mean it. The hardships that i have, that my siblings have, and us 1st/2nd generation Fil-Ams is NOTHING compared to the hardships that you guys had to go through. And it makes us really think what hard work is, and was. Inspiring mo tanan, especialamente namo.

God Bless You, all of You!
More Power to you guys!

Thanks, Dong!  I am not trying to solicit sympathy because I don't need that. I am just stating the fact aron way magpataka mag ingon na we didn't know how it is to be poor.  We didn't talk the mountains alright but we talked the ocean to give us fish and we talked our little garden to give us better harvest of kamote.  heheheh
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 02:59:30 PM
Mao jud, Dong!  Wa untay mahitabo sa among kinabuhi if we didn't defy poverty then.  I didn't say we were unhappy then even if at times we didn't have food to eat but we wanted more. we wanted education. we wanted to be able to help our younger siblings get education too.  we wanted better life for our parents when they grow older. and there was no other way but to leave home and work.  of course, it was also because we had so much faith that God would us to our desire to have a change, a better change of the course of our lives.

My beloved Ate Ging,

I never knew about your family history, hapit pood ta mo hilak to hear about it kai maka remember pood ko sa ang mama ug papa sa ahong ginikanan. Ning sacrifice sila tanana para maka succeed ilang anak, and maka realize pood ko the things my parents do for me and my siblings is a continuation of the sacrifices of my lolos and lolas. Ma humbled pood ta sa ang humble beginnings of your parents, and your relatives, 'te, kai no matter what, wa jud mo ning give up. You know that? You guys are the true heroes of the Philippines, kai naka succeed mo tanana despite the odds and the hardships.

Naa ang saying "a man is average, but a man who sustains hardships, storms, and yet continues forward, is more than a man. He is a godly man." Mao na ang definition sa ninyo, 'te. I really mean it. The hardships that i have, that my siblings have, and us 1st/2nd generation Fil-Ams is NOTHING compared to the hardships that you guys had to go through. And it makes us really think what hard work is, and was. Inspiring mo tanan, especialamente namo.

God Bless You, all of You!
More Power to you guys!

Thanks, Dong!  I am not trying to solicit sympathy because I don't need that. I am just stating the fact aron way magpataka mag ingon na we didn't know how it is to be poor.  We didn't talk the mountains alright but we talked the ocean to give us fish and we talked our little garden to give us better harvest of kamote.  heheheh  And most of all, we had strong faith that God would help us because we were helping ourselves.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 02:59:39 PM
^thanks dong, I don't always succeed, but I do try to be as truthful as I can.

Abraham Lincoln said, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

And to borrow Bobby Flay's words, dong...

Just keep doing what you do. But ask yourself this, "Are you ready for a throwdown?"

hehehe

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:00:00 PM
Tiya ang uban gusto lang ug hatagan kanunay! Dili na sila maning kamot!

Pwera gabz!

Oi, naa ra diay ka!  Pastilan dear, makujapan man ta nimo ning kalit lang ka sulpot! hahahaha 

Mao jud, Maring, sige lang fret!  Kaluoy sa Ginoo, wa man intawon ga blame among family sa among kapobrihon sa una oi sa gobyerno oi!  Gakalisud mi kay way nahibaluan na trabaho si Daddy.  Naa mi mga fishermen na family members.  Kabalo sila na kon di sila managat, wa sila'y makuha unya usahay naay dimalas pero sa kanunay naay swerte.  Sa panahon na naay daghan kuha na bolinaw igo2x naay masobra ma gamos ug ma buwad busa sa panahon na way kuha, naay ginamos ug buwad makuot pasud-an!

Lingaw kaayo ang message nimo, 'te. I'm here in my biology cublicle working on papers and reading this thread, and as I read your story, I swear, I began to cry. Luuy kayo, pero something different sa imung pamilya kai naa man mo drive, ang ambisyon to be more that what was. That, 'te, is what defines a person. It defines you, your sisters, your brothers, and it ultimately defines your parents--in that they have such intelligent children--to use their own whits, their own GOD-GIVEN minds, arms, hands, to succeed.

Amen, I say to you, Amen!

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:00:23 PM
tiuod jud Tiya, karon lahi na mga tawo noh? gusto sigi lang dawat limpyo?

OT: karon pa ko nakabalik sa room, Mike was playing and i went to see him, para lucky charm!

hahahaha

OT:  hehehe lucky charm jud ha!  Hangtud anus a diay mo diha, Maring?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
Speaking of kamote!

Hey that is you!

sori dear kay hubog2x na ko, i jsut want to change a little bit the air here  sa forum kay smog kaajo!

hahahahahhah
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:03:18 PM
LOL,

now I have a craving for kamote and cheese.

ngek!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:03:31 PM
^thanks dong, I don't always succeed, but I do try to be as truthful as I can.

Abraham Lincoln said, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

And to borrow Bobby Flay's words, dong...

Just keep doing what you do. But ask yourself this, "Are you ready for a throwdown?"

hehehe



Hahahaha
Tiya ang uban gusto lang ug hatagan kanunay! Dili na sila maning kamot!

Pwera gabz!

Oi, naa ra diay ka!  Pastilan dear, makujapan man ta nimo ning kalit lang ka sulpot! hahahaha 

Mao jud, Maring, sige lang fret!  Kaluoy sa Ginoo, wa man intawon ga blame among family sa among kapobrihon sa una oi sa gobyerno oi!  Gakalisud mi kay way nahibaluan na trabaho si Daddy.  Naa mi mga fishermen na family members.  Kabalo sila na kon di sila managat, wa sila'y makuha unya usahay naay dimalas pero sa kanunay naay swerte.  Sa panahon na naay daghan kuha na bolinaw igo2x naay masobra ma gamos ug ma buwad busa sa panahon na way kuha, naay ginamos ug buwad makuot pasud-an!

Lingaw kaayo ang message nimo, 'te. I'm here in my biology cublicle working on papers and reading this thread, and as I read your story, I swear, I began to cry. Luuy kayo, pero something different sa imung pamilya kai naa man mo drive, ang ambisyon to be more that what was. That, 'te, is what defines a person. It defines you, your sisters, your brothers, and it ultimately defines your parents--in that they have such intelligent children--to use their own whits, their own GOD-GIVEN minds, arms, hands, to succeed.

Amen, I say to you, Amen!



Hehehe hala dong, ga sirit2x ra ba akong binisaya ana I am glad nasabtan nimo.  Diha jud ko bilib nimo, Dong, bisan dato na ka humble gihapon! hahaha joke lang, Dong!  It's true though that you are dato sa compassion, understanding and respect ug uban pa!  Thanks a lot for all the kind words, Dong!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:04:44 PM
Hahaha, 'te dato ko sa student loan debt. LOL

Aguy!

PS. Love ya, 'te Ging. :)
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:05:24 PM
Speaking of kamote!

Hey that is you!

sori dear kay hubog2x na ko, i jsut want to change a little bit the air here  sa forum kay smog kaajo!

hahahahahhah

hahahah no wonder kamote ang tawag sa ako sa akong bana!  he likes kamote too, Dong!  Me, I like the kamote that my mother used to plant in our stamp-size front yard or what we call ba-ow.  Lami to kay bantok! heheheh
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:06:58 PM
Speaking of kamote!

Hey that is you!

sori dear kay hubog2x na ko, i jsut want to change a little bit the air here  sa forum kay smog kaajo!

hahahahahhah

hahahah no wonder kamote ang tawag sa ako sa akong bana!  he likes kamote too, Dong!  Me, I like the kamote that my mother used to plant in our stamp-size front yard or what we call ba-ow.  Lami to kay bantok! heheheh

'te maka hilak pood na uy, i can imagine seeing your mama planting the kamote in front of your balay. You know that is what my Lola Nating used to do when she was still alive...my mommy's mommy... :'(
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:07:04 PM
^thanks dong, I don't always succeed, but I do try to be as truthful as I can.

Abraham Lincoln said, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

And to borrow Bobby Flay's words, dong...

Just keep doing what you do. But ask yourself this, "Are you ready for a throwdown?"

hehehe



hahahah nia na pod, gisugdan na pod ug Iron Chef ni Ethyl, Maring! hahahaha I prefer, Thyl, that kind of throwdown kay everybody's happy after!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 03:08:21 PM
hahaahhaha!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
I totally agree. I am inspired by Ms Grazie, she is such a positive influence. The thing I notice about great people is that they are never self-indulgent. Whereas others wallow in miseries of their own making, always focused on themselves, always calling out as if to say, "look at me! I've had a hard life! I'm so sad, I'm so lonely, I'm so poor! Look at me!"...

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:09:11 PM
hahahaha Boby Flay, isn't he in the Food Network?

man, whenever we all talk, it all ends up on food LOL

I have an odd craving for barbeque spare ribs now.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:10:07 PM
Speaking of kamote!

Hey that is you!

sori dear kay hubog2x na ko, i jsut want to change a little bit the air here  sa forum kay smog kaajo!

hahahahahhah

hahahah no wonder kamote ang tawag sa ako sa akong bana!  he likes kamote too, Dong!  Me, I like the kamote that my mother used to plant in our stamp-size front yard or what we call ba-ow.  Lami to kay bantok! heheheh

'te maka hilak pood na uy, i can imagine seeing your mama planting the kamote in front of your balay. You know that is what my Lola Nating used to do when she was still alive...my mommy's mommy... :'(

Oh, don't cry, Dong because we had fun then!  You know what i like most, when I had to harvest na.  I checked where the crack in the soil and in there lies the kamote that we soon would cook!  We also use the young leaves of the kamote  (is that kamote tops?) for our sud-an by just sauteing with ahos, siboyas and kamatis and that was far better than hamburger in terms of nutrients! hehehehe
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 03:10:34 PM
Dodong sa Applebee naa silay ribs nga lami humok kaajo!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:11:24 PM
'te, don't tempt me, i have an urge to go there right now and get that, LOL!!!!

Wa pa raba ko ning ka-un, coffee coffee ra
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:12:31 PM
^agay, kalami sa ribs! yum yum yum

tsalap!

Btaw Ms Grazie, mas maayo pa ing-ani nga throwdown atong buhaton noh? Busog pa ta tanan

hehehe
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:12:39 PM
hahahaha Boby Flay, isn't he in the Food Network?

man, whenever we all talk, it all ends up on food LOL

I have an odd craving for barbeque spare ribs now.

Yes, Dong, he is a food network celebrity - one of the Iron Chefs.  Oh, in food equation, Bobby Flay is equal to Barbecue, Dong! hahahahahha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 03:13:12 PM
Huy you should eat a little, mag hypoglycemic gani ka!

ikaw ra raba diha usa kanunay!

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:14:01 PM
'te, don't tempt me, i have an urge to go there right now and get that, LOL!!!!

Wa pa raba ko ning ka-un, coffee coffee ra

Dong, think of me inig chow chow nimo sa spareribs ha. hehe
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:14:16 PM
Dodong sa Applebee naa silay ribs nga lami humok kaajo!

Diha sa Applebee, Maring, si Tyler Florence pod na diha ang Celebrity Chef! Lami bya jud kaayo nang ilang spare ribs diha oi as in matanggal gud ang bukog sa kahumok! hahahaha gi tease jud nato'g ayo si Dodong na kadlawon na ra ba sirado na ang Applebee! 
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:17:10 PM
Tyler Florence is cute noh? Hehe

I also like Guy Fieri, cute lami kusion, chubby ching ching

Off topic na jud kaayo ni,

but I made ham & cheese ravioli ganina, akong gi sundog tong akong nakit-an sa Ultimate Food Challenge (Pasta)...wala man lami oi.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:21:45 PM
Tyler Florence is cute noh? Hehe

I also like Guy Fieri, cute lami kusion, chubby ching ching

Off topic na jud kaayo ni,

but I made ham & cheese ravioli ganina, akong gi sundog tong akong nakit-an sa Ultimate Food Challenge (Pasta)...wala man lami oi.



I like Tyler Florence bitaw kay dali ra iyang food.  Thyl, kana si Guy Fieri kay taga dire man na.  Naa syay resto dire pero wa pa nko gi adtuan kay di man chada ug review.  Maayo pa Max's Chicken nato kay top pa ang rating!  ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:26:43 PM
Mao ba? panget diay review sa iyang resto? madaut iyang image sa Food Network ana...

Did you know about that whole issue with Robert Irvine? He faked his resume kuno, so he got fired from his show, Dinner Impossible.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:30:00 PM
hahahaha Boby Flay, isn't he in the Food Network?

man, whenever we all talk, it all ends up on food LOL

I have an odd craving for barbeque spare ribs now.

Yes, Dong, he is a food network celebrity - one of the Iron Chefs.  Oh, in food equation, Bobby Flay is equal to Barbecue, Dong! hahahahahha

aguy!! na gutom ko
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:31:01 PM
Mao ba? panget diay review sa iyang resto? madaut iyang image sa Food Network ana...

Did you know about that whole issue with Robert Irvine? He faked his resume kuno, so he got fired from his show, Dinner Impossible.



Oi, where did you get this scoop ba, Thyl?  So he wasn't really the chef of the Queen of England?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:31:36 PM
hahahaha Boby Flay, isn't he in the Food Network?

man, whenever we all talk, it all ends up on food LOL

I have an odd craving for barbeque spare ribs now.

Yes, Dong, he is a food network celebrity - one of the Iron Chefs.  Oh, in food equation, Bobby Flay is equal to Barbecue, Dong! hahahahahha

aguy!! na gutom ko

Drink water na lang, Dong, and let your imagination work na barbecue sauce na! hahahahaha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:31:44 PM
Tyler Florence is cute noh? Hehe

I also like Guy Fieri, cute lami kusion, chubby ching ching

Off topic na jud kaayo ni,

but I made ham & cheese ravioli ganina, akong gi sundog tong akong nakit-an sa Ultimate Food Challenge (Pasta)...wala man lami oi.



LOL!!!!

Kamo uy! Sige im gonna go get something to eat, ma mats ko ani reading at this thread about food..hahahaha1

ngek!

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:33:13 PM
^nope...he didn't cook for any of the US Presidents as well...

which is a shocker noh? You would think Food Network would check his background first before hiring him...

I think they're now looking for another chef to take-over the show

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:33:14 PM
Tyler Florence is cute noh? Hehe

I also like Guy Fieri, cute lami kusion, chubby ching ching

Off topic na jud kaayo ni,

but I made ham & cheese ravioli ganina, akong gi sundog tong akong nakit-an sa Ultimate Food Challenge (Pasta)...wala man lami oi.



LOL!!!!

Kamo uy! Sige im gonna go get something to eat, ma mats ko ani reading at this thread about food..hahahaha1

ngek!



hhahahha i like your term " ma mats", Dong!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:34:57 PM
Hahaha

Ms Grazie, tan-awa si dodong gi gutom na hinuon,

murag mga BI ta ani da

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:34:59 PM
^nope...he didn't cook for any of the US Presidents as well...

which is a shocker noh? You would think Food Network would check his background first before hiring him...

I think they're now looking for another chef to take-over the show



He was good at it pa naman!  Why would anyone fake their resume unya i involve pa presidents na that is so easy to check!  Sahay, mag mess up ning Food Network kay naay mga contestants sa Next Food Network Star na ma strip pod sa crown tungod kay naa diay deliberate wrong info sa ilang resume.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:36:59 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah

You guys are hilarious, my classmates think im going crazy kai ning laugh ko hard, ingoon si Jared kono, "Al, are you alright? Maybe you need a break, dude. Go outside"

LOL!!!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:38:34 PM
hahahahhaha as in times 10 na hahahahha

You tell him, Dong, no, I need barbecue! hahahaha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:39:52 PM
ROFLMAO!!!

Wahahahahaahah, my sides, laughing, too hard, bad, bad for me, LOL
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:45:10 PM
Let's now go to sleep with food in our hearts and hoping we'll dream of barbecue! ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 03:45:53 PM
There should be a big sign when we log in dire that says:

Warning: TB can incude spontaneous bouts of laughter in the wee hours of the morning. Please exercise caution to avoid getting asked by Jared if you've gone bonkers.

Hehehe! joke, joke, joke dodong! labs yu!

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: orChids on March 30, 2008, 03:47:03 PM
Huh,I smell something yummy here.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:48:23 PM
hahahah you smell it right, Aya san!  Naa lagi mag damgo ani ron ug barbecue! ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: orChids on March 30, 2008, 03:49:37 PM
Bantay diha dear kay basin naay ghost b-b-q na pod. ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:53:05 PM
hahahaha trend na gani ni Aya san dah!  the other night, kitang tulo Dong Enzo gahisgot ug squid then I feel the Squid ghost! 
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: orChids on March 30, 2008, 03:55:30 PM
Aw,hahahahaha Well,agwanta sa ko ron,by Monday mag order n'ya ko sa bussan,lami jod ilang b-b-q Pinoy style jod.Di ko maghimo on my own kay walay kalamansi,pait ning ting tugnaw pa.
Hayy,makatambok ang TB. ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 03:57:59 PM
lol @ ghost sa bbq

'te what about the ghots of the nukos that I ate?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 03:58:44 PM
lol @ ghost sa bbq

'te what about the ghots of the nukos that I ate?

Dong, it got digested already! hahahahaha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: orChids on March 30, 2008, 03:59:36 PM
Kataw anan baya ning ghost sa nukos,but nanglibawot akong balhibo ato baya.hahahaha
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 30, 2008, 04:00:44 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, Tubag Bohol friends, Romans, lend me your ears!  It's time for me to say, good night!  I had a good night with you guys!  I hope that in the morning, we continue this day of happiness not of fighting and of being unreasonable.  God bless us all!  See you all later!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2008, 04:04:28 PM
Good Night to you guys as well!

Tubag Bohol Kapamilya,

Remember this: Always Smile, because life is too sweet to waste!

Good Night, my brothers and sisters.

And Remember, we are All Boholanos in here.

Cheers, :)
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 30, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Hehehe, ning diskurso na si Ms Grazie...hehehe

I will log out na pud, mag recharge sa battery...

Ms Grazie and Dodong Bran, I had so much fun hanging out with you both!

*C2H4 logging off, while humming Matt White's Best Days*

I love you both! mwah!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Vito Andoline on March 30, 2008, 07:18:22 PM
ok
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: John on March 30, 2008, 08:10:14 PM


do you really believe in all these stuffs? i mean theres no doubt she is brilliantly intelligent thats why cheating the presidential election is one of her best strategy. how can you say she's the best best leader the country needs right now when you are living and enjoying most of your life the american way? you dont have any idea how the common filipino suffered under her administration. ask the palengke vendors if the so called 7% rise of GNP has made a difference in their lives? your statistics are all wrong!
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uhhm this thread it's make me funny and otherwise very interesting, fortunately some people were answered using what so called sentiment words.
   Cheating the votes during the election is one of the component in political arena of our country or even all over the world.
Candidates who were vanished after the elections most of them were using this word ( Cheat ) gikawatan/ gilimbongan etc.. oi all of them are cheater ang pang palit ug mga votes is considered cheater. Dahil peldi dako ug gasto sa election  magpabuhi lang sa dugo to impress their supporter. Those people sobrang believed sa ilang kaugalingon ug dili modawat sa kapildihan, Those people maoy nag-hatag ug dakong problima sa atong gobyerno very nasty,  sila ang nasa likod or nag finance sa mga activist. Ginamit nila ang ka parean or some civic organizations to demoralized  the administration ug sila ang gusto mo lingkod ug mag- paburot na naman sa bulsa bawe gasto sa election.

Kahit sino ang Presidente dili na mo barato ang presyo sa palitonon. Pareho sa atong edad if your aged now is 40 years old dili poydi sa next year nga maging 39 years old ka. ha ha ha.

Slackware, of course the 7% rise of GNP  dili na nimo makita sa mga market vendor naunsi man intawon ka oi he he he.

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Vito Andoline on March 30, 2008, 08:15:35 PM
I dont know.di ako mahilig sa pulitika.chicks hilig nako.lol
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 09:04:39 PM
Mao ba? panget diay review sa iyang resto? madaut iyang image sa Food Network ana...

Did you know about that whole issue with Robert Irvine? He faked his resume kuno, so he got fired from his show, Dinner Impossible.





Gi fire sha Thyl kay i think usahay mean sha bisan sa show na!
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Vito Andoline on March 30, 2008, 09:08:45 PM
kinsa mana sya oi?
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: ms da binsi on March 30, 2008, 09:11:47 PM
Ay dahhh, chef sa Dinner Impossible diri sa Merika!

Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: Vito Andoline on March 30, 2008, 09:15:08 PM
ah ok.sorry po
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: orChids on March 30, 2008, 10:38:12 PM
Ah naay diskurso pod aning tanora ni.Lami na,naa pa jod tig tahi.Peace be with you guys and have a good weekend.
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: C2H4 on March 31, 2008, 12:10:51 AM


do you really believe in all these stuffs? i mean theres no doubt she is brilliantly intelligent thats why cheating the presidential election is one of her best strategy. how can you say she's the best best leader the country needs right now when you are living and enjoying most of your life the american way? you dont have any idea how the common filipino suffered under her administration. ask the palengke vendors if the so called 7% rise of GNP has made a difference in their lives? your statistics are all wrong!

uhhm this thread it's make me funny and otherwise very interesting, fortunately some people were answered using what so called sentiment words.
   Cheating the votes during the election is one of the component in political arena of our country or even all over the world.
Candidates who were vanished after the elections most of them were using this word ( Cheat ) gikawatan/ gilimbongan etc.. oi all of them are cheater ang pang palit ug mga votes is considered cheater. Dahil peldi dako ug gasto sa election  magpabuhi lang sa dugo to impress their supporter. Those people sobrang believed sa ilang kaugalingon ug dili modawat sa kapildihan, Those people maoy nag-hatag ug dakong problima sa atong gobyerno very nasty,  sila ang nasa likod or nag finance sa mga activist. Ginamit nila ang ka parean or some civic organizations to demoralized  the administration ug sila ang gusto mo lingkod ug mag- paburot na naman sa bulsa bawe gasto sa election.

Kahit sino ang Presidente dili na mo barato ang presyo sa palitonon. Pareho sa atong edad if your aged now is 40 years old dili poydi sa next year nga maging 39 years old ka. ha ha ha.

Slackware, of course the 7% rise of GNP  dili na nimo makita sa mga market vendor naunsi man intawon ka oi he he he.


[/quote]

I second the motion, Ashton.

 ;D
Title: Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
Post by: grazie7y on March 31, 2008, 05:16:49 AM


do you really believe in all these stuffs? i mean theres no doubt she is brilliantly intelligent thats why cheating the presidential election is one of her best strategy. how can you say she's the best best leader the country needs right now when you are living and enjoying most of your life the american way? you dont have any idea how the common filipino suffered under her administration. ask the palengke vendors if the so called 7% rise of GNP has made a difference in their lives? your statistics are all wrong!

uhhm this thread it's make me funny and otherwise very interesting, fortunately some people were answered using what so called sentiment words.
   Cheating the votes during the election is one of the component in political arena of our country or even all over the world.
Candidates who were vanished after the elections most of them were using this word ( Cheat ) gikawatan/ gilimbongan etc.. oi all of them are cheater ang pang palit ug mga votes is considered cheater. Dahil peldi dako ug gasto sa election  magpabuhi lang sa dugo to impress their supporter. Those people sobrang believed sa ilang kaugalingon ug dili modawat sa kapildihan, Those people maoy nag-hatag ug dakong problima sa atong gobyerno very nasty,  sila ang nasa likod or nag finance sa mga activist. Ginamit nila ang ka parean or some civic organizations to demoralized  the administration ug sila ang gusto mo lingkod ug mag- paburot na naman sa bulsa bawe gasto sa election.

Kahit sino ang Presidente dili na mo barato ang presyo sa palitonon. Pareho sa atong edad if your aged now is 40 years old dili poydi sa next year nga maging 39 years old ka. ha ha ha.

Slackware, of course the 7% rise of GNP  dili na nimo makita sa mga market vendor naunsi man intawon ka oi he he he.



I second the motion, Ashton.

 ;D
[/quote]

motion approved! heheheheh