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With a case like this, I think it would not be easy for the widowed wife of Martin to travel to UK , she has to clean her name first. Aside from the fact that there is an EU ruling that a foreigner married to an EU, in this case UK, will lose her permit to stay if the marriage is less than 5 years. This could be overruled if she has a place to stay and job to earn a living.  This is a guaranty that she will not be a social burden to the government.

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well hosefina we are not the embassy who give visa to go in uk ,its their decessions but for now i think they will giving her so what else we can do we dont have power to do so? probably the embassy find out shes not guilty thats why they will allow her and her baby to be in uk again , we will wait and see okey!

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To karma, anytime she can come bcoz the baby is british and the british embassy now find out that shes not guilty so if they want to visit uk why not?as long as they can pay their flights the , i dont think so she will live uk she just want to be back and go home again.thats it!its amy palce and shes with under her moms obligations.we are not the emabassy my dear!

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One has to wonder why anyone would want to live in the UK when they have the resources to live the good life here.  It is a truly awful, cold, depressing place, populated largely by people who never smile to strangers.
IMHO

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Dear Bebe,
Hofelina is my Forum name, if the concerned family of Martin informs the British embassay in Manila about the situation she might not be able to get a visa and be placed in the watch out list. What I posted before is a legal ruling which I knew by heart because I work with a group helping Pinay migrants.
If she has a clean record, she could fly anytime.
Wishing that justice prevails.

Ben is right, the people here are cold, that is why Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta expressed her disappoinment that Western civilization is living in a lonely society.

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thanks for correcting ,well, for what i have heard the grandparents want to see also their grandchild while she grow up and the important they get on with her coz probably they know from their heart the wife is not guilty so why not?she can come anytime of course?

everybody wants to go somewhere else but bcoz she been already in uk for two years im sure she can come anytime or visit withe her british baby as long as the emabassy will give her visa.


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Good luck and best wishes to all who have the honest intentions in their heart.

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Bebe what planet are you on, theres a kids tv programe called the teletubies it would suit your IQ a lot better, this site is beyond your comprehension.

 

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Very well said Doris & Bebe for the record Martins Parents, Family & Friends despise The Black Widow & know in their hearts that  she IS GUILTY!!!!

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A bit more information,

If you talk to the police on the neighbouring island of Layte, they will say the wife is behind Martins murder, but unfortunatly unable to do anything about it, as they only police there own island.

If you talk to the police in Bohol they say shes not, unfortunatly she has Bohol police members in her family, Mmmm!!!

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thanks for correcting ,well, for what i have heard the grandparents want to see also their grandchild while she grow up and the important they get on with her coz probably they know from their heart the wife is not guilty so why not?she can come anytime of course?

everybody wants to go somewhere else but bcoz she been already in uk for two years im sure she can come anytime or visit withe her british baby as long as the emabassy will give her visa.

What a load of crap,are u gei or mhardie,one minute you call Martins parents names and uncaring next you are saying youre close you are a user and use them to suite  the situation whitchever makes you look good like the lies you told the police you close to the parents,every decent person knows you are hated as you and youre family behind the assasination,and you know she never was in the U>K>for 2 years ,only 18 months of a 2 year visa that why she came back when leaving Martin as they new she had to apply to stay while here,before the visa expire in October,but as you was refused and your apeal to the court was refused as they both saw how calculating you was,you was served a deportation notice,at the airport they told you amy could stay ,but you couldnt,and this is when your father made threats,as you was refused leave to stay you and you never had residence you do not have the right to enter just because youre daughter is british ,and as you have been involved in the husbands murder you will be classed as an undesirable,and will be differcult to get a visa, and the office in Manila know the parents of Martin dislikes you And have not been cleared of involvement in the murder

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One has to wonder why anyone would want to live in the UK when they have the resources to live the good life here.  It is a truly awful, cold, depressing place, populated largely by people who never smile to strangers.
IMHO
we dont want idiots like you or the filippina that lie to enter and bring all the family to live on welfare,if its that bad why do assylam seekers travel across Europe to enter the U.K. Its just arses like you that Dont smile but we welcome the decent Filippina with open arms ,you are correct it is cold ,but the police investagate murder properly not cover up like this as they have connections

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we dont want idiots like you or the filippina that lie to enter and bring all the family to live on welfare,if its that bad why do assylam seekers travel across Europe to enter the U.K. Its just arses like you that Dont smile but we welcome the decent Filippina with open arms ,you are correct it is cold ,but the police investagate murder properly not cover up like this as they have connections
Your spelling and grammar expose your intelligence level. filippina assylam investagate

To deal with your misguided statements: 99% of the Filipinos that go abroad do so to work, to earn, to send money home to their family.  The cannot do this if their income is merely welfare.  These overseas workers usually make the painful decision to leave their family at home, their income is not sufficient to support an entire family in a western country.  I cannot vouch for immigrants from other countries, but to suggest that the Filipinos are spongers is way off the mark.

As for corruption, undoubtedly the Philippines is rife with it.  However, if you think that the UK has a clean justice system then I suggest you read the Private Eye rather than the Daily Sport.

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dapat nga freedom crusader pre.... para idealist ang dating... peace freedom!

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dapat nga freedom crusader pre.... para idealist ang dating... peace freedom!

Buwad asa ra man bro, ako kang gi PM naa ko number sa imong inbox jamming ta pohon sa balay. Thanks Bro.

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sometimes this blog goes off what its ment for, we all know there are lots of lovely kind genuine people both here in England and the Phillipeans. Both counties are lovely places and both have bad in them.

Remember what this site is for, its to help get justice for Martin,. Am still waiting for the simple questions to be answered by his wife the ones with the simple answers, she is reading this so are her friends and family, can no one answer ?

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The wife is a fool to herself, by not answering the questions she makes herself look more guilty, there are certain questions directed to her they are simple with simple answers instead of answering she and her family go on the attack instead. There are also lots of other unanswered questions surrounding this murder i hope for everyones sake not just for family and friends but for the reputation of the island that the authorities ,the ones above the local police realise this and look into the matter further. Fingers crossed for you guys.

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Can we not talk in a polite way and show some respect by using civilized words?
Mr Crusaderfreedom, you are a big disappointment to me.

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Kanus-a ka mu-uli Bay Rald?  Kay mu-uli pud ko ug maki jam sa inyo.  hehe

Buwad asa ra man bro, ako kang gi PM naa ko number sa imong inbox jamming ta pohon sa balay. Thanks Bro.

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kitakita ta bay kay mouli pod ko.

Kanus-a ka mu-uli Bay Rald?  Kay mu-uli pud ko ug maki jam sa inyo.  hehe


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to crusader or jfm ,your both talking crap too!bcoz your the same person, maybe if you got out of your wheelchair stand up look over the hedgerows and smell the roses and get yourself into the real world.
not jumping to conclusions!just keep talking the pills.

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Ok Chona, seeing as you are the wife or the family, answer these questions the best you can, if shes so innocent help her by proving it. Clear her name.

1. Where was the wife during Martins homicide attempts.?

2. What time was she informed of his murder ?

3. Who informed her ?

4. How did this person know how to inform her ?

5. Why would she text to Martin 15 mins before the shooting attempt "GOODNIGHT" when not on speaking terms ?

6.Why go and visit Gulle as soon as he was arrested and be able to be left alone with him and talk about anything they wanted ?

7. Why want Martins mobile phone, why not leave it with the police, when it could of had possible evidence on it ?

8. Why take girls after his death to the police with more rape alligations ?

9. Why put the house up for sale at half its market value ? ( thats maybe because its now haunted. )

I may think of others but these questions will do for now, so instead of coming on here incriminating his wife more by always being on the attack and not ever saying anything constructive . GIVE US SOME ANSWERS - SHOW US SHES NOT BEHIND THIS - I DOUBT VERY MUCH YOU CAN.






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This is an excellent posting! Chona come forward please and show that you are a woman of integrity.

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Yes,Chona, i agree with Hofelina, ive noticed your still on line, so what are you waiting for ??

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Does any one have any more news on the murder of Charles Maxwell.

Thanks

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your still on line Chona, still no answers at all ?

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 Mhargei (Gei) or her family,
1,If Gei loved Martin why did she send him and his friends  emails and texts
    threatening him
2,why did she not help to defend martin instead of making unfounded accusations
    if as she told the court that she loved him and only split up in December
3,Why did she take all the important documents and sneak to England without telling him
4,Why did she demand money from Martin;s parents and friends
5,Who was looking after the baby while she was following him around the area and at his bar harassing him
6,Why has she continually tried to blacken his name ,if she loved him,she would have tried to help him prove his innocence or been to a shamed to highlight it all the time

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7,with her police connections why did she not ask them to find out who was behind the murder
8, Why did she lie to the police and say she got on well with the family to get the phone,effects and money,when the F C O said the effects should not be given to her
9,WHERE IS THE SIM CARD TO MARTINS PHONE
10,WHERE IS THE PRENUPTIAL
11 WHERE IS HIS WILL


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Steve Wells,

Sorry we do not have any news regarding your father's murder in Ubay.

According to City Government worker who is marreid to a regional 7 police cheif director he is complaing that Bohol is not turning in new reports or are they sending in new updates regarding past crime reports.

This was brought up by with the Expats guest speaker tonight as one of the topics.

Many crimes against foreigners and filipinos are nt reported in how they should be reported every two days.

I am not sure but i also heard that the police cheif of Ubay might not have been in Ubay that day, and that is one of the reasons why Provincail Police Director Edgardo Inking had gone to Ubay to ovr see the case.

Steve, if you do not mind me asking where are your father's remains laying at rest now?

Beleive me when things like this happen here on Bohol it is very sad indeed as Bohol is a small island with many familiar faces and now not so many familiar faces.

Pray for the best in everything keeep calm and keep cool.

Maybe some of you in here can come up with new hobbies to occupy your minds from the things that have happened here already two months ago.

To much worry can lead to a nervious breakdown as things always have a way in working out correctly as my mom always tells me. :)

God Bless!

Take care!

Sorry steve, I wish we could provide you with more news. What does your embassy say to you and your family back home in England?







 

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Hello people in uk if you want somebody to answer your questions why dont you come here in philippines and talk face to face ,you know whats the best right? ,accusing the wife for murder? ,why dont you answer yourself?you know everything already so whats the purpose to answer those questions,Do you want to be come  a hero dont you? grumpy old man!

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Chona..Why on earth do i want to come there, would that be to face the same fate as Martin ? You say we know everything already so whats the purpose of answering the questions . So what your applying is that we are right and the wife is guilty. You have just said it all and so therefore answered quite well. You also say shes guilty.



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To hofelina,ako tawo ra sad saakong nahibal an a week before namatay si martin naghearing sila sa korti sa iyang asawa about to get the court order to have the right to live on her own house and a support for the baby's needs pagkahuman mipauli ang asaw sa leyte mobalik lang sa bohol para sa second hearing ,on the day namatay si martin naka recieved nalang sya ug call at 8am from the police of tagbilaran to identify if its her husband jud ang gi murder mao misakay dayon sya ug boat arrived at 10am mao hapon nasya sa  tagbilaran mi abot ug si martin gyod diay ,kinsay nag ingon nga ang celpone naa sa asawa nga wala man gayod na makit e sa mga pulis asta ang pitaka ug ang pistol na bag-o pakaayo kung nila pa naadaw daghang kwarta sa pula na bag nga empty na nga gesurender sa mga pulis ang nahibilin nalang ang black na bag naka lock ug ang motorbike nga naka park sa hotel ug kataposan namong nahibal an kinsa mantawon nag ingon nga ang balay karon for sale nga maski mo ari pamo dre sa panglao gipoy an man gayod na sa asawa ug iyang anak!..ari lage mo sa bohol kay ang asawa ready kanunay kon unsay interview... kadaot sa mga pinoy kay ang modaot sa iyang isig katawo  pinoy rapod mao nga until karon ang pilipinas walay asinso kay ang mga tawo paki alamiro,ingetiro,ug mapanghusga. that's all i can say, if  i were you hofelina why dont you contact the british embassy manila? they knows the result of Martins case.satisfy madam!


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If you ring the British embassy they will not give anyone any information as this is still an on going case. Ive tried that.

Even though you  know i dont understand all you just wrote, reading between the lines you have not actually answered any of the asked questions.

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Hofelina, could you kindly translate. Thankyou.

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Chona all you do is sling mud at people but you cannot answer any of the questions without incriminating yourself further!!! we are well aware that you are either mhargie or one of her family & you may think that just because the police have someone behind bars for Martins murder that this case is over but you are in for a rude awakening because its only just beginning!!! I don't know how you can live with your conscience!!!

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Translations on somethings said.

The city police notifeid her at 8AM on the morning that Martins body was discovered.

She came to tagbilaran by 10AM from Leyte. the name of the police is not mentioned just said the Tagbilaran City police.

The money, wallet, cellfone were not found at the crime scene or the hotel where Martin was checked in at.

The red bab was also empty when they had seen it.

The house is for sale in Panglao.

The court date was set for her to get a protection order to live alone in her own house and get support from Martin for her and the baby on the week that her husband was discovered dead.

that if anyone wants to question or intrvw her she is willing to talk so that people will not have any doubts and that the British Embassy she said has the wife innocent of any involvement with the killing of her husband.

That is basically what the message from Chona said.

Maybe Chona is doing her best to answer in her native language so i will try to help for others to understand.

God bless everyone.



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Ok she managed to answer one question, what time was she informed, that was about the easiest, there are so many others, for example

1. Why take girls to the police after his death with more rape alligations ?

2. Why visit Gulle ?

I can repeat myself over again but i think everyone can read the previous posts.

The court case due was to annulle the marriage and why on earth should she of got HIS house that he built with his money, he paid his child maintence and she recieved British child benefit. And if she wanted the house so much, why is she selling it now she has it.?

Where was the money, cellphone and wallet found ?

The British embassy will not say the wife is innocent as they will not comment to anyone, anyone can check that out, the reason being the case is not closed.

Lets face it we all know what we think.



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Girl next door.

Thanks P. We came to Cebu two weeks ago. Charlie was cremated at Cosmopolitan in Cebu and we flew home with the ashes. We met the Bohol police in Cebu and all they could tell us was the case was ongoing.

We are having a service next weekend and are expecting 200+ guests. Charlie was a very friendly lovable man. We will then scatter the ashes at sea in a spot he used to scuba dive.

I hope and pray that Charlie and Martins murderers will be caught.

Chona. I did all i could in Cebu. The Philipino people we met were very proud people and very friendly. I will be back soon if this case does not move forward. It sounds like you have problems of your own chona.

Thank you all.

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TO THE GIRL NEXT DOOR AS WHAT I HAVE SAID THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS NOT FOR SALE!GOT IT!
IF YOUR LOOKING THE WALLET,CELPHONE AND ETC. THE JUDGE GOT IT. HEY ANG ASAWA WALA MO FILE UG ANULMMENT IF U WANT TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ASK THE LAWYER ATTY.LIM HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT.

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HEY THE WIFE NEVER BROUGHT ANY GIRLS TO THE POLICE EXCEPT  HER AUNTIE ,SHE WENT TO THE STATION BCOZ THE POLICE RANG HER TO SEE THE MURDERER  AND FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE MOTIVES OF KILLING ,THE MURDERER CONFESS ROBERRY WITH HOMICIDE.

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MAYBE THE HUSBAND NEVER MAKE A WILL.

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Am i getting this right , The police asked you and your auntie to interview the murderer to find out what his motives where ?

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HEY THE WIFE NEVER BROUGHT ANY GIRLS TO THE POLICE EXCEPT  HER AUNTIE ,SHE WENT TO THE STATION BCOZ THE POLICE RANG HER TO SEE THE MURDERER  AND FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE MOTIVES OF KILLING ,THE MURDERER CONFESS ROBERRY WITH HOMICIDE.

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Mhargei (Gei) or her family,
1,If Gei loved Martin why did she send him and his friends  emails and texts
    threatening him
2,why did she not help to defend martin instead of making unfounded accusations
    if as she told the court that she loved him and only split up in December
3,Why did she take all the important documents and sneak to England without telling him
4,Why did she demand money from Martin;s parents and friends
5,Who was looking after the baby while she was following him around the area and at his bar harassing him
6,Why has she continually tried to blacken his name ,if she loved him,she would have tried to help him prove his innocence or been to a shamed to highlight it all the time
  WHY CANYOU NOT REPLY TO THE QUESTIONS

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7,with her police connections why did she not ask them to find out who was behind the murder
8, Why did she lie to the police and say she got on well with the family to get the phone,effects and money,when the F C O said the effects should not be given to her
9,WHERE IS THE SIM CARD TO MARTINS PHONE
10,WHERE IS THE PRENUPTIAL
11 WHERE IS HIS WILL

WE STILL WAIT YOUR RESPONSE

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Chona you change your story like the wind!! originally the "murderer" stabbed Martin as he went to the aid of an attempted rape" now you say the motive was robbery!!!

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Can i just ask any of the local people over there, if it is normal practice for the police to ask or even allow any public person in this case the wife and her auntie of the murder victim to go and find out the motive off the murderer , (just go and have a chat with him see what you can find out. have a cup of tea while your at it.) That must be the strangest thing ive ever heard



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What time was the exact departure and the port from where the departure was from?

What was the name of the policeman who informed her and how did he know it was Martin with out him having any ID as it is stolen or missing and if she was told at 8AM what had happened in Maasin how did this policeman have a phone number to the wife and know it was her who he was marreid too all in an hour's time from when the body was discovered?




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Dear Chona,

Please don´t get angry by printing your postings all capitalized. We are really curious about your opinion. You joined this Forum and shared your piece of mind, now some are reacting  through their inquiries, I deemed it proper that you answer them.

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Chona,
You really shud answer the questions that you can the best you can.
You see the things is there are lots and lots of people reading this who like myself are niether friends or know Martin or his wife. But this is a very interesting read and people are starting to make up ther mind about the wife is she guilty or not ? I would say up to now if there was to be a vote she would be guilty and thats mainly cos we dont hear enough from her side of the story, no one has really said anything that helps her. It really is best you answer if you want to help clear her name. Saying nothing just makes people think she has no answers or her answers would prove her guilt. 

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Pol123,

 Welcome to the Forum, I think we are not here to judge who is guilty or not.

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Butangi, di malikajan kon dunay magtoo sad-an ba (cannot help if others will think guilty).
Thrilling storya here. Just like detective movie. But true tragedy.

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This story could make a block buster movie,  murder in paradise. My vote : GUILTY

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truce people.  happy poets day...

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wheeew, finally!  i've finished reading from pages 1 to 80.  interesting, confusing, shocking and nerve wracking subject.  :o 
wouldn't wanna miss the next postings from both parties  ::) ???

justice for all...


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Welcome fionna, it must have took you some time to read this from the begining,
It seems to have gone a bit quite now, but am hoping to write some interesting news very soon i just need to find out the facts first.
Stay tunned, watch this space !
Fingers crossed. !

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fingers crossed ... please give us some good news  :-\

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Whats happened Chona ?? you said to me if i keep talking you will keep talking. You seemed to have forgot your voice, remember am only a grumpy old man, Ha Ha ( so you say) surely i cant be much of a threat to you.

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your right its been at least 2 pages since we heard from her j.f.m  im intrested in what chona has to say next ... if i was a true friend i would be making sure i was defending them all the way and trying to help them prove everyone wrong but all she seams to be doing is digging a hole ?????

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Last week an arrest of five persons who are related to the spider task force were arrested on an incident involving the murder of a fatal gun shooting on a Filipine person who was already holding his hands up into the air before he was shot at accidentaly as said by the city police task force members involved.

Before this fatality had happened this place of Mansasa is the breeding ground of gangs and now we can see why crime is rampant in mansasa and easy to do there.

The Tanod is busy being The Lord of the illegal swertez!

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JFM the great pretender y dont u answer those questions instead forcing chona to answer it, because u know better than her and u started those accussation , whatever they say its useless and ur not satisfied so what for then? all i know the wife is not  guilty its up 2 u if u believe it or not. peace! ;)

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I wouldnt be asking questions if i knew the answers, Durr !! Lets face it, we all know for a fact it was his wife that paid someone to shoot at him, Martin found that out while still alive, we also know for a fact she offered the money for someone to poison him and we also know for a fact it was her friends who where paid money to come up with the rape alligations. Now those questions ive not asked, cos they are questions i know the answers to. So the reason why people think the wife is behind the stabbing is mainly because of the other attempts on his life which she was behind. So its hard to believe she wasnt behind that fatal day when he was grusomly murdered. Shes not helped in any way, all she has done is blacken his name, talked as if he deserved it, lied about being friends with his family, happily moved into his house, opened his bar and got everything she wanted, which she could only get if he was dead before his marriage was annulled. Now you tell me if it was your friend and the shoe was on the other foot would you not think the same as we all do ?. Weve tried to give her the chance to answer the questions connected to the stabbing which she refuses to do and in my eyes and everyone elses it just makes her look more and more guilty. So if she is innocent i dont understand why most of those questions cant be answered, but thats up to her but until she does she will get the blame.


Lets be honest its not as if the questions are hard,not even for someone with your IQ. Babe, sorry Bebe i mean.  ::)

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no need to answer those questions u already answer it! durr! so shut up ur smelly mouth! ;)

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You gave the same answer as Chona,that ive already answered those questions, thats the same as she said . So you also say the wife is guilty , you must be saying that if you agree with what i say. Think about it. You have just said am right.

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bebe,chona,abby gei the black widow and the black witch ,you don't need to answer the questions ,and you have failed to so far,if you are innocent,you have no fear?but by giving offensive remarks instead of reasonble answers shows you are hiding your guilt,you might not have used the knife but you are still an accessary to murder with other family members and most likley be guilty,have you no ANSWER to 11 previouse questions ,I have another 8 if you are not scared to answer them ,I wonder if you dare???? without being offensive

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His will was either on him and stolen when he was murdered or in his safe which shes ransacked it within hours of his death.

They say i know all the answers, do they want me to answer the others ?

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Hi Prescilla!

First of all I want to thank you for all your efforts to keep us informed about the latest news regarding the murdered Briton.  This is detrimental for us Bol-anons since we are proud of our peaceful and friendly province.
Being a foreigner living in Germany,  it is a wise step to organize yourselves as foreigners living in Bohol.
I think it is also advisable to  determine the group’s purpose and mission so that you can plan an organizational structure to accomplish them.
This is a necessity to protect your interest and to act in solidarity in case of exigencies. Wishing you good luck and best regards.

truly yours,
Tessie Bertumen Wilms


First, they will organize,

then ask for guns... maybe....

then, if the have everything on placed,  INVASION na.

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First, they will organize,

then ask for guns... maybe....

then, if the have everything on placed,  INVASION na.
PLESE DO NOT COMMENT ON BELOW WITHOUT READING THE FULL POST AS IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN CONTEXT. TY.

Do they need guns? Personally I hate guns.
I cannot beleive that you write such jokes about a serious subject. I am sure you are aware there are Filipino organizations all over the western world. Unlike the one being formed in Bohol, these are not formed because Filipinos abroad are being legally treated as second class citizens. They are not being formed because people feel threatened for their lives.

This murder in itself is not doing a lot of harm to the Bohol economy. But the aftermath is indeed very harmful. Some Filipinos' (very few mind you) anti-foreigner comments together with the total inadaquacies of the Bohol Police is very harmful.

I hear many people openly state that the tourist police are corrupt. The whole idea of tourist police is to protect tourists. They should be beyond any type of corruption.

Having been to Bohol on many occasions, and never feeling my security theatened, I can now see how easily that could go all wrong. I was always aware (although appalled) that in the event of an accusation by a local, a foreigner has no equal rights. This is indeed a draconian law and has no place in modern society, as it is also a pro-racism law.

If the Bohol authorities do not show to be investigating this murder in a satisfactory way, Bohol is in danger of becoming blacklisted by travel agents akin to Sulu.

Will I go back to Bohol? Yes. Because I think it is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

Would I live there? No. Coming from a country where the same crimnal laws apply to all citizens no mater what their colour or creed.

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Very well said Patman.

Thank you for the ongoing  support of the Expat goup here in Bohol. I hear often they are having interesting discussions on how to enjoy and love and also are learning how to feel safe and secure in Bohol.

Foreigners can also help Bohol by promoting handi crafts and what nots coming from Bohol that are good, and as well help in promoting places in which are beautiful to go and see in Bohol.

The group also has discussions on being able to have legal representaton when being a victim of crime.

All three guest speakers so far have done a very excellent job in making foreigners open up with a better respect for the island despite the slipshod POLICE SYSTEM HERE.

How would they dig it if we said the same thing about the Philippine organizations going on in other counteries i think and know for sure it would peeve them pretty bad.

But Patman your the best man!

kudos to you!
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PLESE DO NOT COMMENT ON BELOW WITHOUT READING THE FULL POST AS IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN CONTEXT. TY.

Do they need guns? Personally I hate guns.
I cannot beleive that you write such jokes about a serious subject. I am sure you are aware there are Filipino organizations all over the western world. Unlike the one being formed in Bohol, these are not formed because Filipinos abroad are being legally treated as second class citizens. They are not being formed because people feel threatened for their lives.

This murder in itself is not doing a lot of harm to the Bohol economy. But the aftermath is indeed very harmful. Some Filipinos' (very few mind you) anti-foreigner comments together with the total inadaquacies of the Bohol Police is very harmful.

I hear many people openly state that the tourist police are corrupt. The whole idea of tourist police is to protect tourists. They should be beyond any type of corruption.

Having been to Bohol on many occasions, and never feeling my security theatened, I can now see how easily that could go all wrong. I was always aware (although appalled) that in the event of an accusation by a local, a foreigner has no equal rights. This is indeed a draconian law and has no place in modern society, as it is also a pro-racism law.

If the Bohol authorities do not show to be investigating this murder in a satisfactory way, Bohol is in danger of becoming blacklisted by travel agents akin to Sulu.

Will I go back to Bohol? Yes. Because I think it is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

Would I live there? No. Coming from a country where the same crimnal laws apply to all citizens no mater what their colour or creed.

Pat


anywhere in the world,   nobody, nobody will protect us unless we ourselves are vigilant for our own safety.  here, or in our country.........


it' is the thought that we know ourselves better than others that is why we need to do things to be kept away from any harm..

Final word,  you cant trust anybody...  ( the least we could apply on our daily life encounters )

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huh.. kapuy basa ani.. magabugno man mga tao. na puy mangbugno ra man ahat.

say, why dont we let the authorities decide about this. if any anybody wants to join the carava, they can bring the case to the court, at their own expense of course.

nangilabot na ta ug di angay hilabtan.;   comments...  we are given a chance to give comments at that ends there.  gasto mo kasingkasing?  hala pakapini ug kwarta aron maglami..

Martin's remains already laid to rest.. ug makadungo pa na siya inani ang dixcussion,   mag kondinar man kaha syag kalag.

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huh.. kapuy basa ani.. magabugno man mga tao. na puy mangbugno ra man ahat

mga high blood ni sila diri,reg. kapoy btaw usahay basahon.

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you should not have to bring your own case to court ,you would expect to have conferdance in the  authorities of the country you are visiting if anything goes wrong ,as long as you have corruption in the police ,as in this case ,it will not do the tourist trade any good

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If Martin was discovered at the hour of 6.30am to 7am.and they say the things are stolen such as wallet and moneyand ID,and he was not weraring a ring either,does the contact person have the cell phone number of MHARGEI????

Then how is it this person who informed her ,that her husband was murdered,know it was Martin????

How did they connect her to being his wife without his ID.all under an hour's timeif she is saying the things were stolen of Martin????

We ask her to post her Police afferdavit so everyone can see what the remaining items left at the crime scene?????


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Yep i would like to know that and also, she was informed at 8am on another island and arrived in Tagbilaran at 10am. Can she fly?

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If there are any Authorities reading this both in the UK & The Philippines you should be ashamed of yourselves, there are more holes in the wives stories than in a packet of polo mints and all you ever claim is that your hands are tied well untie your hands and go out there and get justice for Martins poor family who are going through hell, imagine if this was one of yours wouldn't you want justice??

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Due to the simple non-blind facts in the court and affidavits and court resolutions the false alleged rape that he had to battle with just before he was killed it did mention the police going to girls homes in Panglao in where they were trying to bribe monies of around Philippine peso Five Thousand   (PHP 5000) well would leave one to wonder just how much further are the Police involved Ur:::<????????????????????

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Anyone knows in any court of law or justice system if there is substancail enough evidence for example an acessary to the crime is also just as good that has been committed.

Now in Philippines if you want to have convict some one in the court system it is not the court or the police to file the charges it is up to the victims affected.

This is why Mharge is filing charges against gulle but lets say MORE ARE FOUND TO BE INVOLVED then she would also be the one to file the charges against them as well.

In America if no one files against persons involved with murder it is usually the job of the state, or federal officails,or even city or county to have charges filed.

That is what you call State vs John Doe or UK vs Jane Doe.

City vs Jane Doe, and so on because of the severity and the dangerous level at putting persons at risk if the private person is the one who files the charges versus the entire state, federal or city.

It would be hard for the murder victim or his co-horts to go after the state, federal or city to try and have them killed off for either knowing to much and being the one to testify and witness against any murderer or any one who is an acessary or even the MASTERMIND of the preperated crime.

In Philippines if anyone dare to go after anyone in a court of law that person who files charges takes a big fat risk of being killed off if not mamed by the one they are going up against.

I personally could never understand this philosophy of the Philippine law in that it puts innocent person at risk of being killed for being a witness in court.

Why should anyone but the law itself be the one to take persons to court depending on the severity of the crime? To avoid other murders from possibly happening?

It simply just askiing for trouble in how they do things in the Philippines. You think Chicago State would let a known murderer or alleged suspect just walk the streets because no one filed charges against him? Think again.

Maybe the States as well as other coutries should handle hard core criminals in how they handle them in the Philippines?

Why the hell bother having police when they can not do much and some are even a part of crime?

Why have a justice system if justice can not go after those on their own to convict someone who has done really wrong?

Why do people who are witnesses stay away from court cases?

Because they are open to danger from the defendant's party.

It has been done in many cases were there is no witness and the case ends up being dismissed in the Philippines and other countreis as well.

The minor law in the states or any other country is different compared to Philippines because in the states and depending on the severity of the case especailly that of murder the minor will be handled in the legal system as an adult.

Borja is also living at large in custody of her mother supposedly.

She was the one with Gulle and others that night when martin was murdered she even frequents in adult clubs here but heaven forbid spare her of severe crime.

In the states and other countreis the wife is automatically the alleged suspect untill proven otherwise.

Just saying she gets along with the inlaws is not enough and would not float another countreis innocent boat in the action of law, and further more if Martin had previous attempts of homocide in were her name was brought up as the one to hire JunRey Palinosa as the bullet hitman last Jan, 2009 and her name was also mentioned as the one who treid to to have him poisooned then it sounds like to me that the panglao police and the Tagbialran police did not coordinate the investigation together?

The police and the investigators are not very wide eyed in this particular case as there sounds like there are many holes in the English cheeze to look into according to the pip's minds in Enland?

Well lets just surmize this case as a prime example of why Philippines continues to be a third world country.

Why should I care if people get killed or hurt or can not feed they're own kids in the Philippines or any other country that is doing the same when no one cares about doing what is right to clean up the crap that happens everyday in thirs world countreis as how Philippines is.

America and other countreis may have its own problems but the people are not always straving due to the good government assistance shelters and free hotmeal programs and also the churches good services and offerings to the people.

It is called take care of your people and your counrty and throw away what are the bad ways. If everyone fought for the right justice and for better governance and services then the world would be a better place if we just keep silent are we not being an acessary to what are the things happening around us?









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wow, thats the nuttiest law ever, so basically you really can just getaway with murder. Can i ask if other people are found to be involved in the murder does she have to be the one to file the charges against them ? What am trying to say is - she just cant turn round and say no i dont want to file charges against them , say for instance she knows them.  Also just say the wife was found to be behind the murder,who then files the charges against her ? Would that be Martins family ?

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wow, thats the nuttiest law ever, so basically you really can just getaway with murder. Can i ask if other people are found to be involved in the murder does she have to be the one to file the charges against them ? What am trying to say is - she just cant turn round and say no i dont want to file charges against them , say for instance she knows them.  Also just say the wife was found to be behind the murder,who then files the charges against her ? Would that be Martins family ?

And you believe that?  FYI to those who claim to know the law but really knows nothing, I don't know much either but I took the most basic law in college. Murder is one of the many cases considered as criminal case.  When it's criminal case,  the plaintiff or the one who files charges, as you call it, is not the family of the victim but the Republic of the Philippines.  In other words, the case becomes, People of the Republic of the Philippines VS. Murderer, and not Martin's Family VS Murderer.   

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I dont claim to know the law, i only asked some questions, because i dont know. so whats the attitude for ?

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According to the Tagbilaran fiscal office anyone who has knoweldge on any case as a witness can file charges against anyone who has done a crime even as exstensive as murder.

The case has to be filed by any witness before it will be considered in court in the Philippines.

I think the fiscal office of the court should know pretty much how the system works.

I have heard it said more then once by them regarding how any any court case matter.s are How could the court file charges if they do not know the sittuation?

How can the court be the one to prosecute correctly untill they have heard all parteis involved per any case they may have.

Life is a bit more harder in the Philippines when it comes to the older system of justice which is said by Atty's that say some parts of justice are still having a slow process compared to other countreis legal systems which are more advanced.

Hello Grazie, how are things in California are the fires under control I heard you have bad fires already really into the season? Hope your far from the fire danger.

Take care!

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wow, thats the nuttiest law ever, so basically you really can just getaway with murder. Can i ask if other people are found to be involved in the murder does she have to be the one to file the charges against them ? What am trying to say is - she just cant turn round and say no i dont want to file charges against them , say for instance she knows them.  Also just say the wife was found to be behind the murder,who then files the charges against her ? Would that be Martins family ?

Anyone can file if they know the sittuation and whats going on with any crime. If your evidence is substancail enough to stands a chance in court.

When hiring an Atty. for any case he must first see and reveiw the evidence and links including any feasable angles involving the any case before he would consider first if the case stands a good chance of winning.

I am not an Atty. myself but I know from listening to persons who are in the legal feild somewhat of how the law works.

I hope I have been of some help.

Wellcome to Tubag Bohol.

Since this Topic has been posted the UK membership has been increasing daily.







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Hi girlnextdoor, Thankyou for all that information, you are doing a wonderful job.
Can you just clarify for me that if Martins family contacted an Atty & submitted all the evidence collated by Martins family & friends he/she would then read through it all & decide whether there was a case to be answered, if  the atty agreed to do so could the family charge Martins estranged wife with murder under philippino law?

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We havew Attorney's who are members in this forum may I kindly direct you to  PM  Atty. Handel Laguney.

He is also one of the provincail Atty's. in Bohol.

The best thing to really make things more clear is to ask an Atty. regarding the law system in the Philippines.

I know for any case to be prosecuted there should be substancail  amount of evidence for any case to be prosecuted.

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Regards PM Atty. Handel Laguney,

The Family & Friends of the deceased Martin Williams have extensive evidence against his estranged wife including Death Threats, text messages, emails, affidavits etc, under Philippino law if an Atty agreed that there was a case to be answered could the family of Martin file charges of conspiracy to Murder against her?

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I dont claim to know the law, i only asked some questions, because i dont know. so whats the attitude for ?

Yes' you have every right to ask anything you wish and contribute to any topic in Tubag Bohol.

Our gate keeper say's Grazie is a very nice person. I have never met her in person but when we do not see one another in the forum maybe some mis-understandings may happen.

Grazie is living in America where the tax doller's protect people, and lock up hardend criminals not like in Philippines were one must have money to file a case against some one who has done bad.

It is not up to the PNP to arrest perspons here unless they are under a bench warrant. The victims or the freinds and family of the victim are the one to file any case to be treid in a court of law if they have enough knowledge gathered by themselves or by ohers.

Even I was in shock to know this was how the system works.

I watched police show up before at metro to break up a big brawl but they did not arrest the fighting pair neither did they handcuff them.

They just counsel with them at the police station.

The two fighter's had drawn a crowd and almost busted window panes out of the window at the sundray shop and the fight went on for a long time.

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Grazie, TGND did not mean they NEVER take up the case (IE Philippines vs. Jane Doe). But often times they do not bother doing so either due to financial contraints especially if they beleive it will be a long trial fought against a defendant pleaing not guilty and with means to hire good lawyers.

If there is a defendent whose guilt is easy to prove and/or the said defendent pleads guilty, they then will no doubt persue a court conviction for that crime.

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Thankyou all into the insight on how the law is over there, it does go to show there must be a radical change to the countries legal system, to protect the citizens and foreiners alike, otherwise your going to get gangs who will think they can do as they please and believe they are above the law.

lets hope some good comes of this site and Martins awful death and laws there get changed . Maybe one of the new laws could be named after him in his memory.

Keep up the good work. x


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I believe that in any democratic country you have the rights to have a legal counsel supported with solid evidence. Laws are made to protect the interest of the general public. Philippines and England laws are made by lawmakers before the crime was committed. There are Filipinos who also die in England because of crime, vice versa a British man dies in the Philippines for this reason. We have one in common, to trust the justice system of these countries.

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I recieved the following that was sent by a concerned BOHOL person to my personal message box,and think in fairness should be printed.
EVERYDAY i HAVE BEEN  following the Blog about Martin 's murder.An average person who have no knowledge of law would also think the wife is behind the murder.I have seen similar murder case like that in forensic files.It was ALSO  happen i Philippines but the one who was murder was the american wife of American servicman .They live in Subic since the husband is navy.Then he start having an affair with their maid,it only takes a few thousand pesos and the wife was killed by the maid relatives.She was gruesomely murder also been stab many times,I have a feeling it happen the same way with Martin,Mhargei maybe have no contact with the murdererer but her relatives do all the work, All she have to do is hand them out some money.Now it's sure easy for her to tell everybody that she never know Gulle because it's her family member or whoever she contacted with to hire to murder her husband.
Let's hope the wife can't sleep at night of the awful thing she done and finally confess She can't hide a secret forever.
GOOD LUCK FOR THE FAMILY OF MARTIN AND TO HIS FREINDS IN SEEKING HIS JUSTICE

MAY GOD RETURN OUR BOHOL PROVINCE BACK TO NORMAL AGAIN (end of quote)

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It goes to show crusader that anyone reading this can also see the wife is behind his murder, as you said once before she may not have held the knife but she certainly knows about it and is an accessary to his murder. Theres far too many flaws in the whole story, even Gulles story isnt true, he was obviously one of the murderers, but he knows who the others are and he knows who the person is who was paying for Martins murder. The problem now is Gulle will fear for his own familys lives if he talks,so we will have to hope the police can come up with more evidence to convict others aswel.

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I recieved the following that was sent by a concerned BOHOL person to my personal message box,and think in fairness should be printed.
EVERYDAY i HAVE BEEN  following the Blog about Martin 's murder.An average person who have no knowledge of law would also think the wife is behind the murder.I have seen similar murder case like that in forensic files.It was ALSO  happen i Philippines but the one who was murder was the american wife of American servicman .They live in Subic since the husband is navy.Then he start having an affair with their maid,it only takes a few thousand pesos and the wife was killed by the maid relatives.She was gruesomely murder also been stab many times,I have a feeling it happen the same way with Martin,Mhargei maybe have no contact with the murdererer but her relatives do all the work, All she have to do is hand them out some money.Now it's sure easy for her to tell everybody that she never know Gulle because it's her family member or whoever she contacted with to hire to murder her husband.
Let's hope the wife can't sleep at night of the awful thing she done and finally confess She can't hide a secret forever.
GOOD LUCK FOR THE FAMILY OF MARTIN AND TO HIS FREINDS IN SEEKING HIS JUSTICE

MAY GOD RETURN OUR BOHOL PROVINCE BACK TO NORMAL AGAIN (end of quote)

ma'am, i guess things like this happen everywhere huh?  scary indeed.  lastnight, i was watching a documentary in CNN.  A young mother of two boys was brutally murdered and so were the two boys. the husband was not at home at the time of the murder but he was a suspect.  drew petterson, an american who was once a cop, is in jail again for suspicion of killing his third wife while his fourth wife is missing.  they are all americans.  last month, a very young girl in tracy, california was missing for more than a week and when she was found, she was stuffed in a luggage bag.  the suspect of killing  and raping the young girl was a woman, a mother of the dead girl's best friend.  a school teacher and grand daughter of the church's pastor. they are americans. still an ongoing case is the killing of a young baby girl Caylee in Florida and her mother is the suspect.  they are americans. one time, a homeless man was torched to death by young americans.  so heartbreaking news!  and there are more weird crime cases.  so what am saying is that crime happens everywhere.  we will just have to be careful and to pray that God will always keep us safe.

i am with you in praying that mr. martin's death will be given justice soon.  and when justice comes, i hope we will accept the result.

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I have heard that the city police station in Tagbilaran has recieve a fax message from our British Embassy and they are requesting updates and any special reports being done with the case of Martin.
I also heard that the police are also spreading such words around that the British National had several girlfriends!!!
How unprofessional on the PNP side and also how biased as they did not  know Martin personally when he was alive. The only thing they are aware of are the choreographed attempts of the wife who took the women to the police station saying they were allegedly raped even after his murder.
I am so sick of this sittuation in how it is being treated since the autopsy report was out over a month from Cebu NBI and sent to British Authorities overhere one month ago .
Only if the rest of you reading this topic could know the results of his autopsy and knowing nothing has been done you too would also be mad at this point.
 If what is being said here is true about his wife being related to a police in which I heard that she had a relative working on the police force then this would sound like a beautiful case of covering up one of your own.

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Kiris of course no-one is saying there isnt crimes all over the world just as grusome if not worse. The thing is when a crime like this is not investigated properly, when evidence goes missing, storys dont add up, forensic evidence isnt dealt with in the correct manner and there is obviously police corruption and cover ups and lets not forget the other attempts on his life - And the person murdered is a friend or your family you cant help but get as passionate as we are about getting justice for them. This feeling isnt something everyone will feel in there lifetime and i hope it doesnt happen to many,i wouldnt wish it on anyone, but i can assure you if it does you can not rest until you get your justice. We all know Gulle will serve a long time behind bars but we also know there are others who should be with him, so we will fight until that day comes.

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It is very difficult if people just keep moaning and making conclusions without facts. If you have the evidence or links then why not tell the police/NBI or hire a lawyer to present it. Don't accuse the police of being corrupt and ill-trained. In the world today, what causes the credit crunch? It is due to corruption and fraud by people in the financial institution. The latest one, British Parliament members spending taxpayers money for extravagant personal expenses, such as claiming housing allowances and etc. (read in the internet). In the Philippines, I read the lifestyles of Mr. Martin in the enternet, he is typical strike anywhere guy who likes plenty of women around him. Remember, Bohol culture is not like that.
I support for justice, equal rights and oppurtunities for all the people involved, whether they are my friends or not. Thanks.

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I dont understand what you are saying there are plenty of facts most printed on this site, some not,as it wouldnt be wise to do so. Both countiries authorities are aware of facts and evidence, its just extremly difficult to get a bit of action, but we will, and there is also a lawer involved. I personally will keep moaning.

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hello  i hope u get the same result as wat happened to  to the wife of the english man that was murdered in  manila ... which a documentry was made a few years back and the husbands parents got justice and custody of there grandchildren....

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the lady in question was eveleyn bohol-davis who got 40 years in nov 2004 for the murder of her british husband ...even though she was no where near the scene of the murder but paid for her dirt work .....

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Welcome and thankyou, ive just read about Evelyn Bohol Davis, it took some years for the wife to be convicted it turned out one of the 3 murderers turned state witness. As you say  she was no where near the murder scene but she paid for the dirty work to be carried out. Lets hope Gulle will turn state witness.

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