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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #301 on: April 21, 2009, 03:25:21 PM »
Mr. Rald,

I highly salute your response, sir.

Boholanos are an industrious, educated, motivated, and optimistic people. For all foreigners to flaunt that they will leave their investments and halt planned investments in Bohol because of this case, I think it is very rude to make such a statement.

There are thousands of Boholanos that are employed, enjoy a well round lifestyle in Bohol, and thousands more around the globe that bring back remittances to their family.

Boholanos over here in the United States of America are highly respected professionals: Nurses, Doctors, Engineers, Teachers!

Please don't offend us by showcasing peso rewards and threatening remarks, because do you think we are that lowly to grobble for scraps? I am a Filipino-American, Philippine-born, but grew up here in the states.

And for one who has worked and competed and collaborated with many Americans (be they black, latin, asian or white American); equality and common decency is goaled. There are thousands of homocides in Britain, USA, Canada, Germany, Spain, Japan, China on foreign nationals. Many of whom have been unsolved.

Every nation has its own laws and regulations. When you enter that nation, you are expected to follow their laws, and work with the established office of that country. Same as how Filipinos that immigrate to the UK follow the rules, regs and pay taxes in the UK.

There are over 1.3 Million Boholanos in Bohol. and thousands of more boholanos around the world as professionals, and expats. We are not 'dependent'.

The death of Mr. Martin Williams is deplorable, and he has our condolences, but for anyone to attack Boholanos (women and men) and make gross allegations and generalizations is preposterous.

Let us be open minded and reasonable.


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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #302 on: April 21, 2009, 03:54:34 PM »
I have been away for some time trying to relax and recooperate. I can see this blog topic has now gained interest from many.

That's great! I am happy to see both sides communicating with one another.
 things being said in her are the soul rights of everyone, even though we all may not agree.

Glaceir...How the heck are you buddy you mentioned in a reply maybe a page or two before this that I and JFM had basically convicted the wife?


That's not my intent I have plenty of questions to ask and that I want to know and to get some kind of other side of what is really going on?

What would you call a boholano community that I have spent time unwinding worreid that Martin was some sort of serial rapest?

Glaceir I can see thet you love your country and your people I do also.
But the community was beleiving in the things that the wife was trying to push on the them by use of the media and may i add the world wide media and the authorities here. She was bringing women into the police station the week that her husband was found murdered to say that they were allegedly had been raped by him!? why in god sake would she do that and try to continue having her husband convicted by the community and authoriteis here? when he has never been what she was making him out to be?
Glaceir71 yes we do have the dismissed resolution on that case, Gulle's case, and the allegedly hired hitmans case. So was not the wife and the community convicting the dead as well. I could or would never do such a thing no matter how much i had disliked someone.
As I said i am confussed to all of this I would like to hear positive words from everyone about Martin not as if confessin through God that Martin needed to be killed or that martin was a bad man. What is your point?

Did you love him and did you love him before?

Then act what you say if you love him you speak well about him but if you are spitefull then you would bring up the bad things!

For me that is bizzare for a wife who should be mourning instead. Then whats more bizzare is the court scene from last week the tears, the saying how you had missed him and that she was seperated in December from her husband it is just so contradicting on her part.

This is not normal behavior for such a case as this.

My big question is she said she loves her husband,  and when martin started having all the attempted assinations against him where was she?

It is expected and normal for a Filipina wife to go to the media and ask for help as to who is the one out to get her husband?
Despite the hard feelings as a loved one it is normal to help them so that they are safe from harm.

News articles on Martin's cases were were printed in both TBS and the Bohol chronicle last Sunday. (court affidavit style.)

By the end of this week it will have gone to the national newspaper's. It is the request by the family of Martin and the authorities in England from what I was told.

I have taken time off from writing for almost a month now including my column last month titled "In Memory of Martin Williams, when that column was read I had received an anynomous text message that my column was a BITCH! I am mourning about the cruel murder of my freind who was always telling us and showing us text messages with threats. He was right all along that some one was out to murder him? Question..

Was he not murdered?


I am sad as his freind I knew him before he had come to me for help as he knew I am in the media and I am frank to the point and hard hitting.


In fact Martin told me in the phone call early last januarary that he had heard I was a a good writer he he he! Yea' good but with sloppy grammar!

We giggled about that. I thought wow what kind of a story is this? this is something hard to do because people here are sensitive to things that happen like this around here.

My freinds here are super sweet and super supportive of me I would not want it any other way.

How do you think I felt when a media colleauge had called me with the early morning find to tell me my freinds worst nightmare had come true.

The scene that Atty. lim and I had seen at the morgue was grabi no words can describe my feelings now.

I am happy that the community is seeing the light now. I just received a phone call from a canadian who had read the newspaper he told me why that guy? He was a regular guy.
He found the news very alarming and indeed it is.

This kind of crimes happen often all over thhe world, and in order to get justice for someone you like or love you must put up a fight for what is right.


I had the pictures developed from the morgue as I stood there watching Atty. lim scrutinize every stab wound on his body. The gash in his head from being hit.

I gave them to Atty. Lim as i could not handle seeing his body like that. Mike our administrator and Lim were saying as they looked at the pictures that it just way too much to bear!



Just analyze things going on in your head. For me I am hobug with everything going on.

All I know about his wife is that he told me he really loved here when they first came here and he was honest in saying that they were having problems.
That's part of being a couple.








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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #303 on: April 21, 2009, 04:03:17 PM »
Lets just hope and pray that final justice is guaranteed.

For all of you who are affected by this case, and feel that your pains and anguish knows no bounds.

Please, all you have to do is PRAY!!
Release your pain, anguish, and restlessness to Jesus!
Surely if there is no judgement in Earth,
there is final and righteous judgment in HEAVEN!

To which no one can hide, lie, or strive away from.
GUARANTEE you that.


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God Bless, you all.
Peace mo tanan, okay? (peace be with you all, okay)



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #304 on: April 21, 2009, 04:45:42 PM »
If you have been following the case of Ted Failon, the lesson we learn from non-natural deaths is that the spouse is always a suspect.

But even as the investigation is still in progress, the more significant lesson we learn is the importance of forensic evidence.

Motive is only secondary. Of course, everybody can testify that Ted has been loving to his wife and wouldn't lift a finger on her. But a person can change when faced with an unexpected situation (discovery of financial problem) or in a moment of insanity. In the same way, Martin's wife may be full of murderous intent because of lingering marital problems. But motive is all in the mind until you actually get your hand in the blood.

Therefore, motive cannot be the basis for establishing the guilt of a person, unless you have something to show for it. Only forensic evidence can tell who really pulled the trigger or sank the knife on the victim.

Was Gulle a hired gun? Were there other accomplices? Your guess is just as good as mine.

You can't force me to conclude one way or the other unless you have the evidence. In the same way, you can't ram your own conclusions down the judge's throat unless you prove your assertion.

It is terrible if a dead man's real killer is never convicted. But it is even more terrible if you convict the wrong person.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #305 on: April 21, 2009, 08:15:08 PM »
Chona, id like to bring up what you said on page 37 your quote is

- maybe god said martin you are hurting too much people now its time to get you now, so i think he deserve his death.-

What god would say that,? ? do you worship the devil ? ?

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #306 on: April 21, 2009, 08:32:37 PM »
Pasayloa ko ninyo mga kaigsuonan kong mga Bol-anon sa akong mga nasulti.Ilabi pa ni Mike. Apan kining mga tawhana murag sobra ra manulti ug modaug daug sa atong mga kaigsuonan nga atua sa Bohol. Nakaminus ni sila nato.

way problema nako ning imong kalagot nila, sir lind. hala, rakrak ta ani...bahalag mga MUNGI, MUNGI na daan. hehehe

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #307 on: April 22, 2009, 01:44:01 AM »
I have been observing this site for some time and felt i had to comment. This whole thing is making me very angry about the way the police deal with such a horrible crime do they not have any compassion for the people that Martin knew and had in his life. I know Martin as he was friends with my mum although Martin and i didnt get on in the end, i know was never a violant person he was decent towards woman when he had his limosine company he would make sure the women got into there house safley before driving off, margie just sounds like she is a money grabbing pathetic excuse of a woman. Yes harsh but i wouldnt be so harsh if i hadnt heard the way she has delt with this whole thing it is clear as daylight that she had him murdered and it makes me sick that she is getting away with it. If thats not the case and she didnt have him murdered then why doesnt she give up what he owned to his family let them have the money and not herself to prove there was nothing in it for her to have him killed. If Martin was so bad to you and that is your reason for what you have done then you are a million times worse than him and you are a sick woman, i hope you get what you deserve as i beleive in karma!

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #308 on: April 22, 2009, 06:15:31 AM »
I like sian have been reading this site and i totaly agree with all she says,i knew martin,he was a very good friend, i am female and i only was ever a good friend, he never tried anything on because he knew i had a boyfriend and he always respected people. he was kind and thoughtful and was only ever out to enjoy his life and have fun.

KARMA - A deliberate good,bad or EVIL action leads a persons destiny in the appropriate direction and intended acts inevitably entail consequences.

I believe in karma too.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #309 on: April 22, 2009, 06:19:55 AM »
thank you kay and sian its nice to know that he had lots of friends and i totally agree with all you say ....
welcome to this chat :)

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #310 on: April 22, 2009, 09:58:37 AM »
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Glaceir I can see thet you love your country and your people I do also.
But the community was beleiving in the things that the wife was trying to push on the them by use of the media and may i add the world wide media and the authorities here. She was bringing women into the police station the week that her husband was found murdered to say that they were allegedly had been raped by him!? why in god sake would she do that and try to continue having her husband convicted by the community and authoriteis here? when he has never been what she was making him out to be?
Glaceir71 yes we do have the dismissed resolution on that case, Gulle's case, and the allegedly hired hitmans case. So was not the wife and the community convicting the dead as well. I could or would never do such a thing no matter how much i had disliked someone.
As I said i am confussed to all of this I would like to hear positive words from everyone about Martin not as if confessin through God that Martin needed to be killed or that martin was a bad man. What is your point?

Did you love him and did you love him before?

Then act what you say if you love him you speak well about him but if you are spitefull then you would bring up the bad things!

For me that is bizzare for a wife who should be mourning instead. Then whats more bizzare is the court scene from last week the tears, the saying how you had missed him and that she was seperated in December from her husband it is just so contradicting on her part.

This is not normal behavior for such a case as this.

My big question is she said she loves her husband,  and when martin started having all the attempted assinations against him where was she?

It is expected and normal for a Filipina wife to go to the media and ask for help as to who is the one out to get her husband?
Despite the hard feelings as a loved one it is normal to help them so that they are safe from harm.

News articles on Martin's cases were were printed in both TBS and the Bohol chronicle last Sunday. (court affidavit style.)

I have taken time off from writing for almost a month now including my column last month titled "In Memory of Martin Williams, when that column was read I had received an anynomous text message that my column was a BITCH! I am mourning about the cruel murder of my freind who was always telling us and showing us text messages with threats. He was right all along that some one was out to murder him? Question..

Was he not murdered?


I am sad as his freind I knew him before he had come to me for help as he knew I am in the media and I am frank to the point and hard hitting.


In fact Martin told me in the phone call early last januarary that he had heard I was a a good writer he he he! Yea' good but with sloppy grammar!

We giggled about that. I thought wow what kind of a story is this? this is something hard to do because people here are sensitive to things that happen like this around here.

My freinds here are super sweet and super supportive of me I would not want it any other way.


I am happy that the community is seeing the light now. I just received a phone call from a canadian who had read the newspaper he told me why that guy? He was a regular guy.
He found the news very alarming and indeed it is.

This kind of crimes happen often all over thhe world, and in order to get justice for someone you like or love you must put up a fight for what is right.


I had the pictures developed from the morgue as I stood there watching Atty. lim scrutinize every stab wound on his body. The gash in his head from being hit.


Just analyze things going on in your head. For me I am hobug with everything going on.

....

in many respects, we all are grieving.

in your case, being a friend..a close friend at that, it is very understandable

in the case of the wife, i guess, she has felt that too, being with martin for a time. i still believe most boholanos have good conscience. no one can tell the state of the soul of anyone involved here. even to murderers.

and in our case, those who don't know the victim and the suspects, we are grieving as well because the killing has destroyed the trust and mutual respect between the boholano community and the foreigners.  other than that, we're grieving too because it has tarnished the reputation of our province, both local and abroad, AND because some people irresponsibly portray our province as if it were a ghetto of panhandlers begging for their so-called "investments", which in fact we're NOT.

someone's anymous text about your column should be your wake-up call regarding perhaps how the case is being treated and discussed in the media, even if your action is done in memory of the victim. if one is looking for sympathy, this is not gained by endless praises to the dead alone but also by preventing prejudices and being careful to the sensibilities of the public, especially when the murder happened with open speculations as to the reason why. if you think your money (with your thousands of pesos for reward) can solve the case, it may, but it cannot win support and hospitable gestures,which we, boholanos, are famous of. humility can; prayer can; respect can. we may be poor but we're not stupid. fanning your money  right on our faces doesn't really make any air of relief; it's just adding insult to injury. we have our values as boholanos. if this world likes money, it's persons we love. we will be all right behind you if you ask our allegiance if your faith in our system and values is sincere despite its flaws; but if not, this crusade of yours will be a lonesome journey. but this is where we TB boholanos can assure you: WE PRAY FOR MARTIN and his FAMILY and FRIENDS.

in my humble opinion, let me share you this thing: it would be better if you refrain from repeating all these "infos and grumblings" you keep posting like the ones here, over and over. the more you say similar words, the more you make his case a matter of derision for some and irritating for others. make this a prayerful atmospere instead, not  a marketplace for throwing garbage, when no one is yet absolutely sure as to the guilty. reflect on the sadness of death of your friend. on friendship. on loss and separation. on anything spritual. that would be the best way to remember Martin. any sorts of "revenge" in words or in deed do not make us victors in the end but only monsters, which don't make us look any more different than perpetrators of the murder.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #311 on: April 22, 2009, 12:39:47 PM »
in many respects, we all are grieving.

in your case, being a friend..a close friend at that, it is very understandable

in the case of the wife, i guess, she has felt that too, being with martin for a time. i still believe most boholanos have good conscience. no one can tell the state of the soul of anyone involved here. even to murderers.

and in our case, those who don't know the victim and the suspects, we are grieving as well because the killing has destroyed the trust and mutual respect between the boholano community and the foreigners.  other than that, we're grieving too because it has tarnished the reputation of our province, both local and abroad, AND because some people irresponsibly portray our province as if it were a ghetto of panhandlers begging for their so-called "investments", when in fact we're NOT.

someone's anymous text about your column should be your wake-up call regarding perhaps how the case is being treated and discussed in the media, even if your action is done in memory of the victim. if one is looking for sympathy, this is not gained by endless praises to the dead alone but also by preventing prejudices and being careful to the sensibilities of the public, especially when the murder happened with open speculations as to the reason why. if you think your money (with your thousands of pesos for reward) can solve the case, it may, but it cannot win support and hospitable gestures,which we, boholanos, are famous of. humility can; prayer can; respect can. we may be poor but we're not stupid. if this world likes money, it's persons we love. we will be all right behind you if you ask our allegiance if your faith in our system and values is sincere despite its flaws; but if not, this crusade of yours will be a lonesome journey. but this is where we TB boholanos can assure you: WE PRAY FOR MARTIN and his FAMILY and FRIENDS.

in my humble opinion, let me share you this thing: it would be better if you refrain from repeating all these "infos and grumblings" you keep posting like the ones here, over and over. the more you say similar words, the more you make his case a matter of derision for some and irritating for others. make this a prayerful atmospere instead, not  a marketplace for throwing garbage, when no one is yet absolutely sure as to the guilty. reflect on the sadness of death of your friend. on friendship. on loss and separation. on anything spritual. that would be the best way to remember Martin. any sorts of "revenge" in words or in deed do not make us victors in the end but only monsters, which don't make us look any more different than perpetrators of the murder.

Amen.

Jesus may have sounded cold and indifferent when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead" in response to a man who wanted to go back to bury his father before he gets on with his own spiritual journey.

Jesus was only telling that there is more urgency for the living to get on with living right and living in the light, than for us to be consumed by the deathly affairs of the dead, in this instance even imputing malice on people who have not been proven guilty and making wholesale accusations against the residents, the court and the police and just about everybody else.

Prayers do count, so I'm saying mine as well for the quick resolution of this case and for everybody's peace. Meanwhile, let's continue to share love, good will and neighborly peace.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #312 on: April 22, 2009, 01:13:02 PM »
Is rhis the  agression of British for the upcoming Paquio VS Hatton Match coming up in Las vegas this May 2?

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« Reply #313 on: April 22, 2009, 01:17:04 PM »
Is rhis the  agression of British for the upcoming Paquio VS Hatton Match coming up in Las vegas this May 2?

We, Filipinos, are not like that. If we were, we should have drowned a handful of Mexicans in tequila by now.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #314 on: April 22, 2009, 01:23:11 PM »
ha ha ha ha! now that's good!


Come on people let's laf for a litttle bit is there not a saying we are all familiar with?

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #315 on: April 22, 2009, 01:27:51 PM »
Aggression of British?  I thought you are not British, Precious!  I don't know how else can the eloquent people like Benelynne, Glacier, RaldAmpong, Lorenzo and the others I failed to mention here can explain to you that this has nothing to do with Mr. Martin Williams and that we grieve for his untimely death and we pray for the eternal repose of his soul.  This has something to do with you guys and your attitude about things that's happening. 

This is not aggression.  You asked for what we think about your posts.  This is what we call freedom of speech.  This is what we call freedom to stand up for our rights which have been aggressed by people who thought highly of themselves.  These are the people we call haughty.  Some people had veered the issue already to us being Pinoys or Bol-anons and you guys being "foreigners", to people here who are flaunting their imaginary dollars and pounds and saying that they will invest somewhere else and no way in Bohol - in fact, "imploring" prospective investors to not invest in Bohol because it isn't safe in Bohol and that the case has been so corrupted.  We are not about to cry and plead for your imaginary money.  Go ahead, invest it wherever you want.  Let's see how far your imaginary pounds and dollars can go. 

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #316 on: April 22, 2009, 01:30:59 PM »
 hi im martin and margies frend.i knw the couple much..wen they live in uk martin looks after his wife,he didnt even let his wife works bec he said she will look after here till margie get bored and have some partime job in liverpool.the couple seems no problem at all. martin was so happy and continue loving his wife..the only thing i knew they got prob is through mobile fon coz martin doesnt want margie to hold or read his messages and i dnt knw wats martins xplanations on dat..till martin decide to live in phils..they got engaged in opps bar which s located in alona and have there honeymoon in alona as well..so the couple realy love the place..then they decide i think last07 to buy the a lot in panglao..they went back in uk..and mhargie was pregnant..as soon as they get back in uk the couple realy made thier on sketches in their house..u might be surprse i knw this coz i olways visit je and martin in their house in birkenhead in martins apartment,i even meet steve once coz he drive martin fire engine,and his nice with je,so stop accusing je.anyway the couple was so happy continuing their mariage life till martin went in the phil by his own.he left je in their new rented house in heswall coz shes nearly due,je also said to martin that she trust him to go by his own.and  also so that the house would be built in good,at first martin was so exicited to fon je in uk and talk evrything he did in he phils.then martin went back in uk coz je will going to gave birth..the couple seems no problem afer the baby is 3 weeks old martin went to phil again,je doesnt like it coz she just had baby but martin have plenty of excuses he said his going to do this and do that.margie told me that she can sense martin is doing something..thats all i knew i dont knw wat happen next.i meet margie in the bus going to liverpool and i visit her during my day off..margie is so nice an honest person.she always told me she loves martin too bits.and i knw martin loves his wife..so please stop blaming margie nor accuse her as well as martin. i knw margies is genna be so sad esp wen her daughter is a replica of her husband...let my frend martin rest in peace..and please please people stop it or u may have ur KARMA coming!!!!!!!

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #317 on: April 22, 2009, 01:33:55 PM »
and to u miss precilla why dont u talk to margie before u put things in the blog..i think u never evr meet margie ryht?talk to her..shes a sensible lady..u myht change ur tune wen u meet her

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #318 on: April 22, 2009, 01:41:13 PM »
and to u steve stop accusing margie..u were so nice to her..knw the truth first before u accuse people..u said u visit martin in phil why u didnt even advise him to get back his wife and daughter???and if ur really a good frend can i ask u?did u even see martin for the last time in the funeral?dnt tell me u cant spend £600 for flight?ur martins bestfrend right?all u do is putting blog against je her instead of helping her to have decent burial,je evn txt u but u dnt bother...im realy sory to say this but i dont like the way u put ur words..its so nasty to a human being....god bless u steve!


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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #319 on: April 22, 2009, 03:22:15 PM »
Murders and killings are  within our midst. Crime rate in Tagbbilaran is still very very
low compared to other cities in the country.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #320 on: April 22, 2009, 04:16:14 PM »
and to u steve stop accusing margie..u were so nice to her..knw the truth first before u accuse people..u said u visit martin in phil why u didnt even advise him to get back his wife and daughter???and if ur really a good frend can i ask u?did u even see martin for the last time in the funeral?dnt tell me u cant spend £600 for flight?ur martins bestfrend right?all u do is putting blog against je her instead of helping her to have decent burial,je evn txt u but u dnt bother...im realy sory to say this but i dont like the way u put ur words..its so nasty to a human being....god bless u steve!


Hi Abby,

Thanks for weighing in with the balanced view of one who knows both parties. I am sure that Martin was a good man with some imperfections, and Margie was an imperfect woman with a lot of goodness. If their marriage broke down, I am sure each had his and her own share of fault, but  that's something between the two of them.

It is simply not fair to accuse one or the other of culpability without proof. I feel sorry for Margie, as much as I am horrified by Martin's untimely death. The culprit is in custody. Almost a month had lapsed, why isn't he confessing that somebody had paid him to do it? Does Margie have millions to keep this hired gun mum? Is Margie so sophisticated as to hide the blood and paper trail, worthy of an Agatha Christie plot? I am sure that if she is that cunning, she could have thought of better ways to get to rid of Martin and her hands into his assets.

I have nothing against people who say Margie or anybody else is guilty as long as they uncloak themselves and step out of their anonymity in this forum into the courtroom and bring on their evidence. We are all for the quick resolution of this case.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #321 on: April 22, 2009, 04:52:17 PM »
Is rhis the  agression of British for the upcoming Paquio VS Hatton Match coming up in Las vegas this May 2?

Win or loss this coming May 2, I'll always love the Britons. For one, Susan Boyle not only gobsmacked me, she also captured both my wife's heart and mine. For another, Precious, it's not about you and me, it's not about Filipinos and Britons or Americans, it's all about fair play.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #322 on: April 22, 2009, 05:25:35 PM »
I cant wait for the day the truth comes out because it will.

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« Reply #323 on: April 22, 2009, 07:24:20 PM »
We don't need bad feeling between foreigners and Boholanos.  Please try not to be too provocative!

A couple of thoughts:

I wonder whether disclosing details about evidence online might cause a mistrial.  It probably would under British law.

I was told by an embassy worker that Britain will only offer investigative support to another country in these cases: if the victim is a corporate exec, a government employee or the center of a media storm.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #324 on: April 22, 2009, 07:31:34 PM »
Is rhis the  agression of British for the upcoming Paquio VS Hatton Match coming up in Las vegas this May 2?

let me borrow the words of this great leader, "show us your worst, and we will give you our best." these words are echoing in my mind right now.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #325 on: April 22, 2009, 09:41:26 PM »
excuse me sir..not all filipinas nor margie are money grabber u know ..perhaps u dnt knw the lady..wen u die u cant even bring a peny in ur own coffin for we just nothing when we die...the only thing w/c remains in the world is the good works we deed ...and people will always remember u in a good way...there is no marriage thats perfect..we always have differences and its only the couple knws so pls dnt judge.........

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #326 on: April 22, 2009, 09:45:49 PM »
my message on the top is for "SIAN" watch ur language sir pls..

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« Reply #327 on: April 23, 2009, 05:54:46 AM »
Ive just found an e.mail sent to myself from martins wife last year, i cant post it on this site as it will need to be sent to the correct authorities , but in it she does say she wants him dead, its similar to death threat text messages she use to send him. When i knew Margie over here you would think butter wouldnt melt, but i certainly seen another side to her once she went back to the Philipeans, it was hard to believe it was the same person.
For the record Abby, i never went back for Martins funeral mainly because i beleived his wife would have respected his parents wishes and Martin would of came home, but also we were shot at and was not somewhere i felt i should of rushed back to.



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« Reply #328 on: April 23, 2009, 06:00:50 AM »
Let the dead rest in peace.

God Rest his soul.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #329 on: April 23, 2009, 06:27:02 AM »
I can assure you Martin will not be resting in peace at this moment in time, the poor man will be turning in his grave.. Just because one of the people who stabbed him is behind bars and he is buried, believe me, no-one will rest untill real justice is served. This fight will continue until that day comes, then Martin will rest in peace. It seems to me that a lot of poeple think the case is closed but its far from it, put yourself in a similar situation and think if it was a loved one of yours would you not do all you could if there was so many unanswered questions. Think about it.

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« Reply #330 on: April 23, 2009, 06:32:05 AM »
We can only pray for Martin's soul. We do not know what he is thinking, because he isn't thinking. He is dead. His spirit has been already called back to the lord.

Let him rest in peace. And let us pray that good, and fair justice will be secured.



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #331 on: April 23, 2009, 07:15:45 AM »
The bible has a great deal to say about revenge.
The key verse regarding this truth is found in the old testament and is quoted twice in the new testament.
God said-
"It is mine to avenge, i will repay, In due time their foot will slip, their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them."

(And god is on our side.)

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #332 on: April 23, 2009, 01:40:56 PM »
to steve..margie was leaving in uk 2 yrs dnt tell me on that span of time her true color will not reveal.je told me dat it was martins idea to come and live in philippines coz of martins x wife a british as well..margie s my close frend she told me about martins x wife that she still bother them and sometimes cause argue.dats why martin realy wants to live abroad,i try to contact je round about july08 but her fon is off,she told me once they are planning to migrate in phil june08 so if they realy migrate on that month how can je afford to pay a person f she got no money...she had baby feb 08 &she stop her partime wen they visit phil i think b4 nov07 coz i meet je in liverpool dec.07. steve je dont have money coz martin s d one who holds their income and run the limo business am i ryht?i even had a joke on her that s martin tight?most british are like dat here u c but she said his not...its just martin manage d money...i felt pity on her but je said its ok coz martin looks after her and its seems im satisfied coz even je s pregnant she still pretty lady and well look after...
je even borow me money wen we meet dec07 coz she wanna buy something 4 baby.bu i said i buy it as my present for her baby..so why are u blogging je that she hired someone to kill her own husband..im sory about this but i have to xplain it so people will not judge margie nor martin.i cant realy see where would je get money to pay..her family are not rich nor poor as well..they are just ordinary people and je sis as well..she doesnt have job coz she got 2 kids to look after,she just had baby as well..the 2 sis stock in house and got no job. i meet je mum her in uk ..she told me dat martins parents and her mother meet already and i think martins parents like margie mum coz they invite her 4 dinner...so in the end i dn think je will have a motive to kill her own husband...i hope steve this can enlighten ur mind..i dnt knw f je s reading dis but f she did..je if anything i can help u contact me pls..give my kisses to amy..i love dat baby..and i pray dat martin will find justice and i knw u will find the truth..be brave for ur daughter dnt mind other people chismiss....BE BRAVE GOD IS WITH U MY FREND...

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #333 on: April 23, 2009, 02:49:38 PM »
Good afternoon, evening and morning to everyone who is reading this around the globe.

Today in England the family will be holding a service for Martin who was found stabbed to death 14 times exactly one month ago today.

The service in England will be at 230PM  in the afternoon.

May the family in England have a peacefull and blessed service for some one who was in my eyes a kind person to me and people who were in our circle.

Martin had a good heart to try and help the Philiippine persons, he came to Philippines because I think in my own mind god had sent him on a positive mission here.

He and some freinds whome I have met had plans to build a village area inside of Panglao and make nice housing for very affordable  for Filipinos who are working and sending money home to they're families. (similair to fair housing like HUD).

He and his freinds were not in it for profit as I had heard him talking on his cell phone often and talking with his British freinds and also talking to them in person in front of me when we had taken meals or snacks together.

Martin is not snobbish to me or toward any of my freinds he always discussed about the good things.
Martin loved his daughter Amy very much. Margie he said did not want him around her.

Abby, Margie does receive supplimental funds from English government up untill the age of 18 years old and it is similair to the wellfare systemin the United states has.

The people who reply in here today I would like to make a pleasant suggestion in respects to his family in England holding services today as we kknow they are reading this blog, let's keep our comments positive.

and for future advice try to understand what are the good points and the constructive points being mentioned in here.

Do your best to keep out your biasis as well as I and others have been discussing that in here that there seeems to be a tinge of biasis.

So please today and through out other postings let's  be guided by God on how we speak and how we are to truly respect each other by the manner's that we are to have.

God Bless you Martin

Love from all off your freinds and family.

You will always be in our prayer's.
I use to smile when he would tell me about the good things from back home in England such as a mobil unit that had music and and was made for the kids to enjoy.Sort of like a funky truck. Bibo England!







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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #334 on: April 23, 2009, 06:34:02 PM »
Please take a rest Prescilla, you must very exhausted now for all your concern to your dear friend Martin.

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« Reply #335 on: April 23, 2009, 10:46:57 PM »
Thank you hofelina for the care and the concern and that goes for the rest of you who are following this blog as concerned persons from Bohol and around the world.

I really do want that people stop knocking everyone down, instead give positive praises to people so they feel good about what they are doing.

Remember it is not important to be perfect it is more important to be natural and it is okay to have imperfections in life because thwith out that we can not learn.

I am spending this day reflecting on all of Martins good intentions and perceptions and what he wanted for the Boholano people.

I am also hoping things went really well with his families preperation for him in England at his funeral today.

Hey my buddy here it is 1030 at night the time when we normally had our after dinner beer spent with good freinds and tonight I am having one for you maybe even more if I can stomach it so you can rest well now.(I never told you I am not one much for beer freind.) It was not the beer is why I had hung together with you during times when you were down it was my trying to help you as a freind and most important your honest smart pleasant company.

You were good and do not let anyone ever say different about you!

Most important your famiy and children love you very much and your mates are out of this world. Even though your gone physically you are still alive in our minds.

God Bless you and all of us.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #336 on: April 24, 2009, 04:29:27 AM »
Just home from Martins service and i would just like to say how lovely it was, The turn out was very big, lots of friends and family. It was as you can imagine very emotional, there was beautiful photos of him and lovely things said about him and we wrote messages on balloons and let them all go together. . The day touched my heart, his family done him proud. God bless you Martin, you will be in our hearts and thoughts forever. Steve and Julie. x x x   

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #338 on: April 24, 2009, 04:48:01 PM »
i wish i was there steve..martin was a nice guy..a loving dad , a happy person and a caring husband...we will miss u mart..u will olways be in our heart..may u rest in peace and be with god

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« Reply #339 on: April 24, 2009, 07:47:48 PM »
there's nothing more painful in friendship than losing one. but we hold up our love even when he/she is gone because he/she is a friend to the end.



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« Reply #340 on: April 24, 2009, 11:59:12 PM »
May he rest in eternal peace.

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« Reply #341 on: April 25, 2009, 05:32:26 AM »
to martins family,
 sorry i could not make it to the service.

i will never forget my mate walter and as i have already told you

 it was an honour to of had a school mate like him.

he made my younger years a joy,

and if i could have

told him one last thing

it would have been

 "my red raleigh griffter

 was better than your blue one",

god bless 

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #342 on: April 26, 2009, 06:47:44 PM »
korek jud ka diha sobra ra kaayo mangdaut murag kabalo jud tanan sa nahitabo. >:(

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« Reply #343 on: April 26, 2009, 07:15:54 PM »
i'm just curious if u really care for martin why u never come to philippines even 1 of the family member of martin? y? Thats how u call u care for him? and ur a true friend? hmmm i dont think so before u say something about the person u accused think about it first, u like it or not she's the legal wife all u can do is to talk bad things about her y? r u jealous? if thats the case i'm sorry but u can have nothing! martin's assets will give it to his wife, martin was soooo married when he died so its normal the next of kin will have the propertys he have. especially u steve ur the bestfriend but where r u? ur in england u dont visit him and tell that to his family as well, they didnt pay respect for the last time. I'm glad steve ur not a judge other wise how many innocent or not even proven guilty u already judge. I'm so amazed that u posted everything in here the text, the affidavit etc. ur too much maybe one day u will become like martin remember? what happend to ur other friend b4 martin died? so calm down  steve if u dont believe the KARMA i believe so... To Martin may he rest in peace no one deserve what happend to him.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #344 on: April 26, 2009, 10:36:39 PM »
Curiosty killed the cat ! How do you know theres been no family members out there ? You know nothing. Justice is all anyone wants and the day will come when you will eat your words.

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« Reply #345 on: April 26, 2009, 10:59:12 PM »
I think i would make a great Judge,am certainly a great detective, ning nong,All the money in the world isnt worth a mans life, its not about money or assets its about finding out the truth  and we will, and before you write things on this site get your facts right first.

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« Reply #346 on: April 27, 2009, 12:41:27 AM »
to ning 10 there is no reason for you to be writing and attacking steve ... why would anyone want to go over to where their friend died already being there once before and having there life put in danger !!!!! .... and you should be very carefull with your choice of words as it sounded like you were throwing threats at him which makes you look like the fool ...i think alot of people are miss reading as we are not fighting for his money and assets we are fighting for the truth and justice for our friend as he no longer has a voice !

to steve keep up the fight for justce for martin all his friends have your back x

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« Reply #347 on: April 27, 2009, 04:19:18 AM »
ning how dare u question his family and friends love! i actually met martins parents at his memorial service and witnessed their grief and the rest of his family and friends also, and i would not want wish what has happened on anyone. your words disgust me, martin was a friend of mine and what you say about his parents appaul me what kind of person are you? have you yourself lost a son/daughter in such a violent way??? i doubt it, so until you know how his poor parents are feeling i think you should show some respect! I dont think martins family would have arranged such a beautiful and fitting service if they did'nt really care, i could see a lot of thought had gone in to it all and martin would have been proud. im sure if you had witnessed the pain on their faces you would not be so harsh however curious you may be! 
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« Reply #348 on: April 27, 2009, 04:21:56 AM »
 Ning,Chona/Jenny/Gee !! you really are stupid do you really not think no-one knows who you are ? Durr !!.  Ur still trying every trick in the book, the thing is ur just not clever enough, its quite amusing reading what you write you just keep digging that hole that little bit bigger, every time you write something you always come out with something personal about Martin that only his wife or close friends would know,  you say about Martins and steves other friend, how many people know about him. Dont think thats common knowledge. Do you also not realise the authorities read this site so keep it coming and hang yourself. Steves getting the death threats now ive noticed, is that because Martins not here anymore for you to send them to. ?

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« Reply #349 on: April 27, 2009, 04:40:57 AM »
jfm i was  thinking exactly the same as you! mmm but dont suppose that was  hard as probably most of us were! only someone so filled with hate would attack his family in that way. sick.............

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« Reply #350 on: April 27, 2009, 04:45:08 AM »
Yer Nat, not just hate and sick, they must have blue blood running through thier veins- its pure EVIL.

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« Reply #351 on: April 27, 2009, 04:56:18 AM »
To steve i would just like to contradict your lies in the blogged that gies dad is riding martins honda motorbike i dont know where you get your information from all of martins belongings are being kept here in the police station until the end of the court hearing which is nextweek and hopefully the two murders will be found guilty as charged.so please keep your ugly face out of this because it is you that dont jnow the facts!

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« Reply #353 on: April 27, 2009, 05:03:31 AM »
nice ni diri kay naay sege ga away kinsa kaha ato tu-ohan

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« Reply #354 on: April 27, 2009, 05:06:54 AM »
nice ni diri kay naay sege ga away kinsa kaha ato tu-ohan

kana maoy dakong pangutana...

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« Reply #355 on: April 27, 2009, 05:15:21 AM »
mao sege lang gud ko ga basa  ani nga thread mora ang dako nga pangutana is walay sure kon matubag ba gud

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« Reply #356 on: April 27, 2009, 05:15:59 AM »
Hows it gong out there Joe,?

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« Reply #357 on: April 27, 2009, 05:44:17 AM »
unsa man pud ning mga bitoy nga wala pa gani resulta kusog man dajon mamasangil...

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« Reply #358 on: April 27, 2009, 05:44:36 AM »
mga bakakon ug hambog nagkita ra jud mo diri mga normal ug abnormal dia pud hehehe pabadlong man mo oi :P

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« Reply #359 on: April 27, 2009, 05:45:38 AM »
korek jud! mga bitoy pataka ra grrrrrrr >:(

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« Reply #360 on: April 27, 2009, 05:53:34 AM »
be true to urself as what they said... how about u jfm? r u true to urself? hehehe peace!!! :P

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« Reply #361 on: April 27, 2009, 06:34:49 AM »

For me that is bizzare for a wife who should be mourning instead. Then whats more bizzare is the court scene from last week the tears, the saying how you had missed him and that she was seperated in December from her husband it is just so contradicting on her part.

This is not normal behavior for such a case as this.

I know this Bich and her family are bad news


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« Reply #362 on: April 27, 2009, 06:35:42 AM »
ning nong, ning nong, ning nong, ning nong, ning nong, ning nong, ning nong, ning nong, 
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« Reply #364 on: April 27, 2009, 08:15:51 AM »
For me that is bizzare for a wife who should be mourning instead. Then whats more bizzare is the court scene from last week the tears, the saying how you had missed him and that she was seperated in December from her husband it is just so contradicting on her part.

This is not normal behavior for such a case as this.

I know this Bich and her family are bad news


so the trial started already, jess? any update?

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« Reply #365 on: April 27, 2009, 08:10:08 PM »
Col lang kamo dha basin ma heart attach unya mo why dont you sit and relax on ur chair and wait the final result of the court dili man mo judge so your not allowed to judge anyone else hows that?

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« Reply #366 on: April 27, 2009, 08:20:31 PM »
naana pod ka manang judge npod bootan daw si martin kay ngano kamo bay nag ipon tell me how many years u know him much?manang kong ako nimo hulat nalang sa resulta ayaw patakag storya ug pagbotangbotang usahay ning mga kababayan nato kay lge naana sa laing nasod trying hard pod nga maasinso ang tawo kung pono ang kinabuhi ug kagobot ug walay pagsalig sa ginoo dili maasinso so kung ako ninyo tabang nalng mog ampo para mahilangit si martin kung madawat pa!

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« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2009, 08:24:38 PM »
naa man kahay pultahan na kasudlan  makasulod lagi to sa langit.

ayaw lang kagool  chon.

wa man ko kaila ani nila sabat nalng ko

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« Reply #368 on: April 27, 2009, 10:09:28 PM »
naana pod ka manang judge npod bootan daw si martin kay ngano kamo bay nag ipon tell me how many years u know him much?manang kong ako nimo hulat nalang sa resulta ayaw patakag storya ug pagbotangbotang usahay ning mga kababayan nato kay lge naana sa laing nasod trying hard pod nga maasinso ang tawo kung pono ang kinabuhi ug kagobot ug walay pagsalig sa ginoo dili maasinso so kung ako ninyo tabang nalng mog ampo para mahilangit si martin kung madawat pa!
Hope you pray hard for Him Chona. You are preaching not to be judegmental but in this post you sounds like you  judge Martin that he almost have no chance of entering heaven. Please be more charitable.God wills not the death of a sinner.Rather, God wills that "all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. You don't know what happens between the bridge and the water  this comes  to mind becuse only God knows what is in someones heart.People are given time just before death to choose God and He is endlessly merciful.


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« Reply #369 on: April 27, 2009, 10:28:37 PM »
hayyyy kamo pataka mo ug storya..ajaw namo pangare mga britoy sa pinas na buhi mn pod me wa mo dri...salig kay pounds mo piso rame but soooo wat???????? mga gwapa me kaaysa ninjo diba mga pinays???..kalibang sa mo oi hehehe ;D :D ;) ::)

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« Reply #370 on: April 27, 2009, 10:31:53 PM »
hoy kanang cge ingon og nawong kwarta c margie nasuya cguro mo nuh kay wamo bahini..marisi mo pakasal samo aron leagl basis bah...kabit ramo ..asawa cja with anak pa jd and besides nawonng c e mo og sapi hala inag kamatay ninjo dalha ! ok!

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« Reply #372 on: April 27, 2009, 11:05:33 PM »
To all admin: Translate daw para kay sian

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« Reply #373 on: April 28, 2009, 12:03:13 AM »
walay mo translate hehehe ipatranslate sag nig apil ha?

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« Reply #374 on: April 28, 2009, 12:09:24 AM »
To Abby: Naglibog jud ko nimo friend jud mo ni mhargie? ask lang ko

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« Reply #375 on: April 28, 2009, 02:04:32 AM »
Martin was a nice man ,

so? what now?

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« Reply #376 on: April 28, 2009, 07:59:13 PM »
I never knew Martin, but have been reading this like many others, My American father was murdered some years back now in Manila by his fillipeno wife, but the case was solved and as a family we could  greive as justice was served. At the time of his death many awful things were said by his murderers, trying to justify what had happened to him, like he was a womaniser ect. But at the end of the day he never deserved to die. Whats sinister here is the awful things being said about Martin, and obiviously by people who know him.- think about it- Martin was ment to have been murdered in cold blood by a stranger. so why on earth would anyone who knows him, want to get on this site and say bad things about him, if my worse enemy was murdered i would certainly not say bad things about them in my book it would be a very sad and awful thing to happen to them,they would still of had loved ones devistated by whats happened, even if i had my differences i would not slag them off or his family/friends. The only people who would write such things are the people behind his murder, trying to justify whats happened to him, just like what happened in the case of my father.

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« Reply #377 on: April 28, 2009, 09:00:30 PM »
Thanks for sharing your thoughts dolphin, i'm sure you
 just spoke for many  of us, and I'm glad that a stranger to martin can also see that some ppl on here are trying to justify martins death, which in my opinion is very odd. As you said if this was an unplanned murder, why would you say nasty spiteful things about the deceased and attack the family especially, in my eyes it makes them look like they hiding behind something! 

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« Reply #378 on: April 30, 2009, 07:06:42 PM »
been reading some past comments and a few quick observations but first our condolences to the family of dolphin lover and you will understand why the people that new martin will not let this drop as we all now that his estranged wife as this is what she was and her family are behind the murder ,oh raldampong on page 10,martin did not abandon her like most people thought she was with her parents in leyte we was all shocked to find her in England trying to apply for a uk visa,during August and September and she was deported as they new the truth and was crying as she had to leave England NOT for the reason as missing Martin if she had got the visa she would not have returned to the Phil,
Benelynne gets facts correct Lucy Blackman nothing to do with this case but her father excepted a compensation of 250,000 pounds
and youre shamfull remark about pants down disgust any decent people you are no better that the killer/the wifes family and every one that tries to use a sex angle to to make headlines instead of sticking to the truth and facts ,I am in a position to know a lot of facts that have not been made public till any trail starts


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« Reply #379 on: April 30, 2009, 07:08:57 PM »
If anyone rereads page 13 and the blog of steve he has it correct and truthfull

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« Reply #380 on: April 30, 2009, 07:12:22 PM »
Sian what Abby said is that people here are talking crap storeis. She also say that British do not need to go to Philippines that Philippina's are beautiful and people saying that margie is just after the money maybe who is saying that is jealous.

And that when someone dies then thats when you collect the money.

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today i had taken a look at that area where Martin was discovered dead. No way would anyone go down there at night alone or willingly with abother person especailly martin who was under several threats and attempted homices already.

It would have taken some strong men to get him down there and to do what was done since gulle is just too small too have dragged Martin with as big as he was, martin was a large framed man.

I had also seen the place where he stayed for the first time and it is somewhere where English would rent to sleep at as Earupeans love staying in old fashioned places (bungalow) with a tucked away private place off the main road, it was just on the other side of the small waterway where Martin was found.

Martin had been dragged some 30 mitres and impossible for a man gulle's size do to it alone.
The dammage to the corpse also indicates that was not done alone.

That place is unlit at night and again why would martin want to go to such a place, if gulle is right in saying that he may have thought Borja was raped by martin but he did not see him on her or pennetrating her why would he go there when his room was conveinantly near by?

No foreigner ever in his right mind would ever go to that place with or with out company. It's a perfect place to throw away the murdered hoping his body would wash away with the tide.

The ebankment is shallow and steep and often there is a high tide.

earlier a question was asked in here and up untill now does not have an answer?

Reapeat Question- "Where was Margie during all the attempts of murder on her husband in the past?Why did she not go to the media to help find the prepatrator who wanted her husband dead?

If a wife here needs help to find who it is out to harm her husband and family it is normal for her to go to the radio for help.
The wife in this case with the past events that were life threatenining was no where to be heard from.

It would of been okay for her to get help to see who was after her husband. Maybe with more public awareness then he had he may still be alive and safe today?

The following attempts on his life included, hit and runs when his body ended up broken into peices that landed him in the hospital, the shooting when his english mates were with him at his bar, the alleged poisoning, the b*** farfetched alleged rape charges. the countless phone threats from text messages that he had shown to his freinds and forwarded to his family and freinds circle.

On March 19 he sent a message to freind sayin he would promise to do something for them thats if he was still alive he said on march 23rd, he was murdered, March 24th, he was found dead near the bay and ebankment...Martin knew it all along that death was looking at him in the face.

I am sorry i may not be a detective but it does not take a moron to figure out this was not done by just a little boy alone.

first Gulle admits to stabbing martin 5 times and then it changed to 14 times....are you sure it is just 14 times?

How did his guts end up hanging from the trees was he tossed into the bay by that little small boy alone or was he given assistance?





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« Reply #381 on: April 30, 2009, 08:58:39 PM »
Thanks for your condolances crusaderfreedom, the best advice i can give is -NEVER GIVE UP,, any friends and family wont be able to grieve until the case is solved properly. Reading what thegirlnextdoor says and others, theres so much more to this,but money unfortunatly silences many people. Its human nature to fight for things like this, and i hope and pray you win. x

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« Reply #382 on: April 30, 2009, 09:07:39 PM »
been reading some past comments and a few quick observations but first our condolences to the family of dolphin lover and you will understand why the people that new martin will not let this drop as we all now that his estranged wife as this is what she was and her family are behind the murder ,oh raldampong on page 10,martin did not abandon her like most people thought she was with her parents in leyte we was all shocked to find her in England trying to apply for a uk visa,during August and September and she was deported as they new the truth and was crying as she had to leave England NOT for the reason as missing Martin if she had got the visa she would not have returned to the Phil,
Benelynne gets facts correct Lucy Blackman nothing to do with this case but her father excepted a compensation of 250,000 pounds
and youre shamfull remark about pants down disgust any decent people you are no better that the killer/the wifes family and every one that tries to use a sex angle to to make headlines instead of sticking to the truth and facts ,I am in a position to know a lot of facts that have not been made public till any trail starts


Crusader, just tell me about your lifestyle, your family relationship and what kind of business your in and how you behave in the society.

I can tell what kind of person you are? believe me my friend you're seeking danger to society.

Anywhere you go in  this world, you are what you are. You can seek asylum in peaceful community and attracted to it. But the danger is lurking behind you because you are the monster of your self.

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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #383 on: April 30, 2009, 09:23:57 PM »
been reading some past comments and a few quick observations but first our condolences to the family of dolphin lover and you will understand why the people that new martin will not let this drop as we all now that his estranged wife as this is what she was and her family are behind the murder ,oh raldampong on page 10,martin did not abandon her like most people thought she was with her parents in leyte we was all shocked to find her in England trying to apply for a uk visa,during August and September and she was deported as they new the truth and was crying as she had to leave England NOT for the reason as missing Martin if she had got the visa she would not have returned to the Phil,
Benelynne gets facts correct Lucy Blackman nothing to do with this case but her father excepted a compensation of 250,000 pounds
and youre shamfull remark about pants down disgust any decent people you are no better that the killer/the wifes family and every one that tries to use a sex angle to to make headlines instead of sticking to the truth and facts ,I am in a position to know a lot of facts that have not been made public till any trail starts

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If my wife cry, i will comfort her asked her whats wrong. And discussed the problem. Do what I can do to make her happy.

That how to deal with her feelings because I love her and never wanted to see crying. I will find comport for her and happiness for her.

But the way martin sees her, is nothing to do love  of family. In fact you're mocking her for being wanting to live in England. What kind of feeling you have to hurt because She wanted to live a comfortable life in UK.

Tell me? Is having VISA in UK is a bad thing. That why she married Martin in the first place.

But Martin refused that because He had different motives behind his mind. Asian sex in paradise island of Bohol.




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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #384 on: April 30, 2009, 10:51:30 PM »
Rald, Crusader loves Martin very much he is compasssionat about seeking the real justice for his freind.

He is a sweet person and has a great sense of humor and I hope everyone has a compasionat frind just as he is.

How are you these days Rald?

Is your family partaking in feista in Tagbilaran this week?

Where are you now are you in MiddleEast?

Has that awfull swinflue reached where you are at?

Just remember good hygeine and cook your meats thoroughly.

Take care You!



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Re: British National Gruesomly Murdered in Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.)
« Reply #385 on: April 30, 2009, 11:22:48 PM »
Hi Preci, just arrived in Manila 4 days ago. Yesterday I attended the Tapok-tapok Boholanos at Camp Villamor the Annual General's Cup of Gen. Holganza and Gen. Olegario with prominent Boholanos.

Amay Bisaya was inviting me to attend the Election for Actors Guild of the Philippines whereby Senator Bong Revilla is the current President.

Amay is asking me to be in his side to bid for the next Governatorial seat. But my heart goes to Chatto.

Tomorrow, I have my annual general medical check up at Heart Center. On monday I have to do my driver's test to renew my drivers license at LTO. I'm delinquent for more than two years thats why I have to retake the test LTO is now ISO accredited so I follow the rules. 

I try to squeeezed my scheduled, so hope to get the ticket soon. Anyway, thanks for the warning. My Doctor, Dr. Encarnacion, cancelled his trip to the US to attend a Medical Conference because of the Pandemic of this proportion.
He is afraid he might be hostages is the US for a month because of the quarantine.

I try to talk to some people, about martin case to search more some angles of the case. I will do it in silence.

Hope justice will be served for Martin, whenever i'll be home i will see then. Take care.

Heres Amay and Del Horest and Gen. Holganza with a glass of brandy enjoying his sip.

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dear raldampong ,i'm sorry you feel like that ,I like to keep promises I make ,i have been happily married to a good honest Filippina for nearly 25 years with 3 children so over the years know of good and bad Filipina like in all country some you trust some you have no time for,I am lucky in finance and as we are secure like to buy and sell for a hobby 1 peso or a 1,000peso it the chalange of profit so am able to help others set up bussiness and be self surporting and make a good living ,the hardest part is having the finance to start,I wish more Filippina would stake the ones that want to earn a living yes I get a small percentage ,but could earn more in bank intrest,but the reward is in helping others progress to a good standered of living like I have .I think there for the grace of god go I ,that could be Me I can only spend so much we have the important things the love of a good family,without being bigheaded have helped nearly 50 families that are having a good bussiness and so far 10 have been able to upgrade from nippa house to a block house ,I would love to see all with decent houseing ,this is one thing that we dicussed with martin,I told him straight If I thought for one moment he was guilty I wouldnot stand by his side,As it was he was found not guiltyafter his death and you know once dead it hard to clear youre name,you seem to say it ok for the wife to get visa Why she not worked for it ,come hear be kept and paid by the state ,when it was her intention to get a person to get visa and use him to surport his family ,try taking the sex angle out and look at the everdence then you will see who is really behind things and unfortunate the corupt police that are relitives dont help ,I am sorry if you dont like the truth of coruption but am sure you are well versed with it

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This story has been viewed now over 9060 times and had 387 replies and read world wide. That certainly would not happen if it wasnt as interesting as it is, its one of those storys that you get passionate about just reading it, its a shame the ending isnt wrote yet but i hope its a happy one and the family and friends of Martin get the justice he deserves, and the estranged wife gets done for this. The Phillipeans need to change the way the law enforcement is run and get rid of all corrupt authorities and the only way to do that is to start making an example of the ones that are corrupt now so others think twice about doing the same in the future. Good luck to all the people fighting for his justice, am sure if you dont give up,there will be a happy ending.

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Thank you Rald for your kind reply. Sounds like your having a good time tip sum up for me while you are at it.

Also thanks for your support and interest in this case as well.

Sure call me anytime when your in Bohol.

Looking forward to seeing you.

I have been busy working on the groups agenda's and goals and told my darling freinds from around the world that I would decline any nominations but for now I am the acttiing Chairman and willing to get this group underway by lending my free time and expereinces from serving on various civic organizations also.

The group is comprized of mainly foreigner males.

Our meeting last week went well especailly with our two guest speakers who were Kit and Atty. Lim who had given wise and strong advises for foreigers.

During the meeting about half of those in attendance were indeed in need of legal services because they were victims of circumstance and some were seperated from wives and just simply wanted to settle half in half of the property dispute regardless if they're wives had paid or not.

You see many Filipino and foreigners are not aware that pre-nuptials are honored here, and that property purchased while marreid with your Filipina/Filipino spouse regardless if they put a penny into it or not it is considered conjugal property in which it will be split equally down the middle, but if the foreignerdies the family of the foreigner also has rights as his next of kin to get they're half and the wife keeps her half. That's the Philippine law.
Hope some of learned from this reply of mine even I have been here many years and did not know some of this untill recently.

The Phlippine Constitution will be changing with in a year in where it will be no longer necessary to have to marry a native from this country to buy and own properties.

In the long run it will be better so that more outside investors can come in to Philippines and build businesses and create more livlihood so that Philippno do not have to leave the country and work in countreis that are so dangerous.

Philippines is a beautiful country ut it does need to clean up in corruption and I am sure many Phllipine persons can agree to that.

Happy Positive Thinking Everyone!

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dear raldampong ,i'm sorry you feel like that ,I like to keep promises I make ,i have been happily married to a good honest Filippina for nearly 25 years with 3 children so over the years know of good and bad Filipina like in all country some you trust some you have no time for,I am lucky in finance and as we are secure like to buy and sell for a hobby 1 peso or a 1,000peso it the chalange of profit so am able to help others set up bussiness and be self surporting and make a good living ,the hardest part is having the finance to start,I wish more Filippina would stake the ones that want to earn a living yes I get a small percentage ,but could earn more in bank intrest,but the reward is in helping others progress to a good standered of living like I have .I think there for the grace of god go I ,that could be Me I can only spend so much we have the important things the love of a good family,without being bigheaded have helped nearly 50 families that are having a good bussiness and so far 10 have been able to upgrade from nippa house to a block house ,I would love to see all with decent houseing ,this is one thing that we dicussed with martin,I told him straight If I thought for one moment he was guilty I wouldnot stand by his side,As it was he was found not guiltyafter his death and you know once dead it hard to clear youre name,you seem to say it ok for the wife to get visa Why she not worked for it ,come hear be kept and paid by the state ,when it was her intention to get a person to get visa and use him to surport his family ,try taking the sex angle out and look at the everdence then you will see who is really behind things and unfortunate the corupt police that are relitives dont help ,I am sorry if you dont like the truth of coruption but am sure you are well versed with it

Crusader, do you really believe its his wife and relatives are behind all of this. I know some wives can say i want you to die but really not mean it. Because if she text you that she not going to do it. Nobody in this world to tell every one to kill anybody and really mean it. A killer will hide his motives.

I believe your intention is good for everyone but not all are like that. Thats why your still alive and your neighborhood loved you for this endeavor. I salute you for this crusader. We all pray for the speedy solution of the case of Martin and jailed the real killer.

I do not condoned and sympathized with the killer, I only seek justice for everyone who are innocent and convict the real killer. Because in the end justice will prevail.

Peace be with you Crusader for Justice.





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Thank you Rald for your kind reply. Sounds like your having a good time tip sum up for me while you are at it.

Also thanks for your support and interest in this case as well.

Sure call me anytime when your in Bohol.

Looking forward to seeing you.

I have been busy working on the groups agenda's and goals and told my darling freinds from around the world that I would decline any nominations but for now I am the acttiing Chairman and willing to get this group underway by lending my free time and expereinces from serving on various civic organizations also.

The group is comprized of mainly foreigner males.

Our meeting last week went well especailly with our two guest speakers who were Kit and Atty. Lim who had given wise and strong advises for foreigers.

During the meeting about half of those in attendance were indeed in need of legal services because they were victims of circumstance and some were seperated from wives and just simply wanted to settle half in half of the property dispute regardless if they're wives had paid or not.

You see many Filipino and foreigners are not aware that pre-nuptials are honored here, and that property purchased while marreid with your Filipina/Filipino spouse regardless if they put a penny into it or not it is considered conjugal property in which it will be split equally down the middle, but if the foreignerdies the family of the foreigner also has rights as his next of kin to get they're half and the wife keeps her half. That's the Philippine law.
Hope some of learned from this reply of mine even I have been here many years and did not know some of this untill recently.

The Phlippine Constitution will be changing with in a year in where it will be no longer necessary to have to marry a native from this country to buy and own properties.

In the long run it will be better so that more outside investors can come in to Philippines and build businesses and create more livlihood so that Philippno do not have to leave the country and work in countreis that are so dangerous.

Philippines is a beautiful country ut it does need to clean up in corruption and I am sure many Phllipine persons can agree to that.

Happy Positive Thinking Everyone!

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Yes, Presci, I will lobby in Congress that Foreigner can own 100 % with out going thru married. This is one things our law makers doesn't understand. They think if foreigner buy property they carry it back home if they go. hehehe

Enjoy the fiestas in Bohol, but watch out your colesterol intake.

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Yes, Presci, I will lobby in Congress that Foreigner can own 100 % with out going thru married. This is one things our law makers doesn't understand. They think if foreigner buy property they carry it back home if they go. hehehe

being married to a foreigner,  i'm for a law allowing foreigners to own property without getting married to a filipina,sir ralds.

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Hello Lumine and Ralds,

I had mentioned it about three years a go in one of our press conferences but not out loud it was a conversation held at a lunchoen table regarding foreigners not having to marry to buy properties.

I was shocked to have learned that it was my country that decided long a go to not allow foreigners to take what belongs to the Philippines.

But times have changed and the population has been way over grown and resources are scarce.
So foreigners need to invest so that we can make jobs for the people here so that the kids can eat properlyand live properly and human as possible.

To lessesn corruption and to make a more honest and not so lazy police force by allowing them to get they're full bennefits in order to let them want to work the way they should.

Right now at current the sittuation is not good but it would improve wonderfully with foreigners coming here under good intentions and being appreciated for what they have done thatwill be good.

Martin had plans to put up a Villa for people who were on low income he wanted to help persons here.
He and his freinds discussed it many times even when he had just arrived here and had freinds in the sports bar he would talk too about it.

It would of been what they could afforded to pay for rent and not end up broke, it would of been a good example for the philippine persons to see that this is how you are to take care of people who are less unfortunante.

Sad to say Martins life was taken away and he can no longer do what he and his freinds had been planning to do from England.

Now on the other hand a wife in Margie's sittuation if she truly miss's her husband would continue his legacy in his name.


The best advice to give Gie in this sittuation is get the bar fixxed up really nice, go to work in it and run it the best she can to help her daughter and her, and keep the house as it will always go up in value.

it's a beautiful home and she should consider herself lucky it is nice and paid for I know plenty women in the states who have children and a rockyroad marraige and they are not sittiing in a 15million piso home.

I know up untill around Augest, Sept, Oct, Martin loved his wife and daughter very much.

His freinds ae clean shaven business type freinds, not sleazy or dirty old men. and the ones i had met were marreid and descent family men.

I had met maybe four of his freinds who came here to see there mate from England.

I have seen that area where martin was found dead, no way would anyone go there alone or with people at that time of the night.

it's a steep embankment and below the road and if the tide is high enough if you were to fall over the railing its a straight drop into the bay.
Its a steep embankment with small trees and it was around 150-200 metres from where he was checked in at.

let me describe mongrove, it is off the road quaint, sort of like a victorian bed and breakfast tyle place were the Westerners and Eauropeans like to stay because of its quantenance.
It is surrounded by vegetation and trees and plants, and it you are a foreigner and still new here for 1-2 or 3 years you would not know that it was a short time place.

It is a secluded place and that is where he chose to be safe at while protecting his witness at the same time.
Martin did ot come across as a dark or shadey person I am sure he comes from a clean non abussive family as well as having non alcoholic family members around him when he was raised in England to have put him in any wrong type of personality as an adult.

Most often you find that persons who are mean adults are those coming from a childhood environent of being around a parent or parents who is violent or an abusser of alcohol. most kids who end up as hatefull adults do not know any bettter and often you will will find a parent or a cousin or an uncle having a criminal record rangining from physical abuse, stealing, extortionist, shoplifting Etc....
That adult as a child who is mean does not know how to love or be loved all they know is hate and take what they can get materialistically or sometimes emotionally ungreatfully with out even knowing the way they behave is bad.

Martin was giving because it is how he was raised in an environment not rich but not poor but from an environment on knowing what it is to work and keep what you have and appreciate what it is you have worked for.
He knew what it was like to start out from the bottom and since God was good to him he wanted to help Philippine persons here who were not born fortunant.

he is not a rapist and i heard from designers and persons who knew and worked with martin that the employees of martin were very well taken care of.

Atty. lim worked with Martin well, and martin had not just an Atty. in Lim but had made a freind.


I read the police blotter in Jan, 2009, in panglao where it was written that he did not have any grudges with any of the locals.

CSI and autopsy records thank God for that technology because it speaks for the dead. it is capable to make a liar out of any alleged suspect or confirm what he has said. to be true or it could lead into others being involved?

It can pin point many things that the human body endured during the trauma of the murder and the physical aspect sometimes right down as to who is the killer/s and how many were they and what happened in sequence.

Got to love Sceince!

I thought about that line of work before but it is really a tedious project to be able to get it right on and be sure in any cases that it is used in.

It can make or break a case.

Lorenzo, may be able  to explainit better then me.

Lorenzo, what are the findings that an autopsy can show as far as murder crimes?





















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This bills is already in congress during Pres. Erap. I can't remember who filed.

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Rald, you ask crusader does he really believe his wife and family are behind this, and that he shouldnt think like that just because of some text messages,which i totally understand where your coming from, but the thing is it wasnt just text messages. It really is what Martin believed before he died, he was 100% sure himself she was behind the attempted murders and that came to light when he put up the reward after the shooting. I can assure you he never wanted to believe it was her ,but all the evidence he gathered while he was still alive made him believe it was. One being it was her who offered money to a bar maid to poison him. His friends and family feel as strong as they do mainly because of what Martin said before his death and it was what he believed and said, not what his friends and family are wanting to make up.

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DEAR RALD ,HOPE YOU NOT MIND ME SHORTEN YOUR NAME,YES I DO BELIEVE THE WIFE AND HER FAMILY OUR INVOLVED,from what I know and the prelimerary report from the P.I.who looked into the family situation in bthe UK. and in Maasin and in Bohol it confirms what I think,every time she text martin he forward them to his friends so we all knew the threats he got and demands,this is why she so urgent to retrive his mobile,to delete but she not realise that texts can be retrived by the phone company,and I got some threats fwd from her to me on a differant sim that i asked martin to use incase his phone stolen too many questions ,remain that i will come to in new blog as been ill to compleat it
I questioned Martin about the alligations and told him I had to be sure before I gave him my full surport,any hint of truth i told him I stand by him but he had to own up as that would be bad to put an innercent person through a court case,after many calls by phone I felt assured of his inercence and promised to stand by him and promised I would help and surport him as I knew of problems with his estranged wife as I was justified as he was found innercent after his death,

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I would like to raise the offer of a reward from 10,000 to 20,000 peso making a total of 40,000 peso leading to the convicton of the other killers and naming of thoes involved

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I would like to raise the offer of a reward from 10,000 to 20,000 peso making a total of 40,000 peso leading to the convicton of the other killers and naming of thoes involved

So the only person who can lead to the conviction of the mastermind is the confession of the hired killer. Is this reward valid if we can extract a tape of the confession of the killer that he was hired by the mastermind?






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I will add P 5,000.00 to 20,000 total of Php 45,000.00 for the solid evidence that lead to conviction of the real mastermind so you would believed that We Boholanos are peaceful loving people. We don't allow the guilty unpunished.

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Dear Rald, I spent time with the people from your country, and  i truley believe they are lovin peaceful people i have many friends there, i will also add another 10,000  to the reward making that 55,000. I have in my possesion a picture of my friend and it is no way  a murder commited by a single person. All i am after is justice. Rald thankyou for your help

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