Author Topic: British National Gruesomly Murdered In Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.) (Read 130189 times)

kim96 · « **Reply #200 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:13:33 AM »

OMG! Why does this woman (Martins ex wife) allowed to do what she want?
How cruel of her to not even pay respect to Martins parents request?

Something is wrong here. If she is one of the suspect why is she allowed to even move and take Martins property?

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hofelina · « **Reply #201 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:16:59 AM »

Because the police are sleeping.

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rachael · « **Reply #202 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:18:11 AM »

well kim 96 thats what we all want to know ! can any one answer this

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #203 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:34:14 AM »

Speculation and assumption is not evidence. someone from England should tell the British authorities that they really are not on good terms, and have the message sent here.

Why would someone who gets along with they're inlaws be disobedient toward her inlaws then take them to court. I know Martin would not be happy being burreid in the countreis soil that murdered him!

If that is what you call getting along with your inlaws the police have a lot to learn.

According to Bohol chronicle writers in they're paper they had interveiwed the Atty. of Martin and Martin's atty. said that more than one person had to been stabbing martin as there were stabs taken at different angles.
He said Gulle was just to little of a guy to take on Martin alone.

When i had given Atty. Lim the affidavits of Borja and Martin's widow he had read that the girl was still at large because she is in custody of her mother not locked up as she is a minor.

This Sunday'snewspaper releases will be about the dismissed alleged raped charges against Martin in his favor judge beleives the complaintives as very far fetched.

I think they will pursue the case regarding the alleged hired hit man firing bullets at Martin.

Steve you and your freind need to write statements as in affidavits saying what happened since you were present sitting at his bar when the bullets were fired.
I would be suffering traumatic nerve syndrome if i was you guys.
Did you save your ticket plane stubs that indicated your length of stay here and your passports being stamped that shows your length of stay here back in December when I had seen you and martin sitting at ICM Mall's Dunkin Donut's. I remember you being here with martin at the Mall.
I had spoke breifly with Martin at that time as i was busy Xmas shopping.

It had already been blottered by Martin during the time that it happened.

You guys should ask Atty. Lim if your statements would be considered?

I am on prepaid internet and need to log out.

Happy Easter!

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STEVE · « **Reply #204 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:54:07 AM »

We do have our passports stamped and am sure i can also find proof of tickets. The ironic thing is we went to the police at the time of the shooting and gave a statment god only knows if they still have that. We asked what advice they could give us and would you believe they told us to keep our heads down. Hay ho! Thats what we are up against there is no police over there to help. It will feel like your banging your head against a brick wall,it felt that way after getting shot at. x

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #205 on:** April 10, 2009, 07:20:48 AM »

what was that suppose to mean keep your head down low?

meaning if you speel out what happend you guys would end up shot at again?

Yes it was blottered and when I had gone to that outpost to copy down the blotter for my write up last Jan, i was certainly given the run around one of the tourist police had moved the empty shells as they hadsaid it was at the other tourism outpost but when i went there and told them the Tawala outpost tourist police had told me the empty shells were there at Dumaluan the Dumaluan outpost said not at there place they even looked through the files in front of me.

Tawala tourism police did not even bother to look for the empty slugs. I had leave my phone niumber accused them of sloppy evidence handling and gave them my phone number and that I am in the media and that they had better come up with the shells so I can get a picture of them

They called me 430pm the following day telling me the empty shells were at Tawala.

Hmmmm?

Now the slugs are being held for exhibit to last janurary's shooting.

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raldampong · « **Reply #206 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:18:30 AM »

hofelina, thankyou for your kind words, ive honestly only ever wrote true facts. I know the true bol-anon people are some of the loveliest people in the world, as i met so many of them when me and my partner Julie stayed there in Jan. The problem is the same as we have everywhere in the world and there is always at least one bad apple to spoil it for us all. I know i cant bring my mate back, but i can try and fight for his justice and hopefully get a full investigation and the real culprut gets caught. He would do the same for me.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #207 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:08:27 PM »

okay letme clear up this mess.

Martin's wife Margie Gamuyot age 25 years now widowed the outlaw of the inlaws that she once told to SPO4 Silvan Palacio was on good terms with her English in laws.
SPO4 Palacio told me that they are beleiving the wife now because she is the next of kin and she called her inlaws and they are getting along fine.

SPO4 Palacio told me that they had dropped Margie as a suspect after they beleived in her as getting along with Martin's family in England'
Little do they know she was hung up on when she had called to England.

She had even text steve that she planned to put everything in the babies name so that way Martin's parents would not possibly have a chance to fight for they're half of their sons property.

She had text this to Steve around two days after Her husband was murdered. Steve had forwarded the two text messages to me.

Steve would you like to quote the messages you received from Margie just t5wo days after he was found murdered?

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kim96 · « **Reply #208 on:** April 10, 2009, 08:04:03 PM »

Or the culprits may have a very good and strong relations with the authorities.

The rape case issue is also kind of strange. Why would a rich man like Martin rape a girl just like that?

If he only wants sex, there are many available young, sexy and beautiful women for hire
in Tagbilaran.

Because the police are sleeping.

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Bambi · « **Reply #209 on:** April 10, 2009, 10:31:31 PM »

Pressy, you are absolutely right. The fact that the police were able to get their suspects didnÂ´t mean that the case is solved. This is unprofessional for the investigating party. Valuable materials needed to clear the murder case might probably get lost.

Ms. Tess. this is quite a case of disarrangement. Now, that the ex-wife/widow who solely claimed for all the heirs and benefits from her murdered husband means that she has the power to induce buying the corrupt Philippine justice, hope not? As known, dead person is our country mostly considered nugatory (sad to write this). As posted...I hope our government will give more protection and assistant to the alien, this is not the first murder happened towards our guests, right?
Reading some comments about her, makes me believed that she has no heart. Why some women are like that?

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STEVE · « **Reply #210 on:** April 10, 2009, 11:15:56 PM »

She had text this to Steve around two days after Her husband was murdered. Steve had forwarded the two text messages to me.

Steve would you like to quote the messages you received from Margie just t5wo days after he was found murdered?

Text 1 Quote - Sent 26th march- " Steve just let u knw martins gone last march 24, we had a vegel in the house. Im planning to bury him next week . I wish u would see him coz his family will not come here. "

Text 2 Quote - Sent 29th march - "Im not affraid steve coz im not gulity, dont worry steve il transfer all martins assets to amys name so if something happen to me + try 2 kill me ,amys next to kin."

The first text was so cold, she knew he was my best mate, wheres her compassion ?
The 2nd text i had not been in touch with her at all i had not asked her was she affraid, id certainly not talked about his assets to anyone.

Id also like to clear up any allegations of rape, Martin had been to court the week before he died about a rape charge by a girl called venessa, who was a bar maid, she worked there after asking him for a job also after the so called rape incident, when we where there, we all treated his staff to a day out dolhin watching and scuba diving in Balicsag island, Vanessa came for an all expenses paid day out with other staff members. She was also a friend of his wifes, She also happened to take the night off work on the day of the shooting, how convinient ! The judge wiped the floor with her and the rape charges where dropped. Ill say again Martin never did or would never rape a girl.

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aduy · « **Reply #211 on:** April 11, 2009, 12:16:15 AM »

Ms. Bambi, some women or people like that because of monies.

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janjan · « **Reply #212 on:** April 11, 2009, 06:19:14 AM »

mao siguro na pordoy before nya nakahawid ug daghan kwarta unja nakuratan sa kwarta ,greedy

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #213 on:** April 11, 2009, 06:48:53 AM »

I am reading the affadavits of Borja now she said that Martin said this out loud.."Get away from me, or I will kill you"

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STEVE · « **Reply #214 on:** April 11, 2009, 07:04:15 AM »

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #215 on:** April 11, 2009, 04:49:57 PM »

I know many persons are reading this. If you really love your country as you say you do and from what you know it would be nice to hear what some of you are speculating about this matter?

Silence or being scared does not make sense when Bohol is refered to as a peacefull place,nor will those two words help improve matters it just only encourages more bad things for people to do to get away with.

If you do not speak out or have a voice when it comes to bad thngs happening it is like .........turning your head in the other direction and you do not really care?

Witnesses are like that here they would rather remain silent no seak mode if they see somethin wrongg so thats why people know they can get away with things and then you just continue having crimes that escalate.

in other countries witnesses are many because they know they are trying to make a better environment by getting scum off the streets.

If our own local law enforcement is not knoweledgable enough to solve such crimes then thats when citizens need to cooperate and help out and not take the words alone of alleged suspects involved with the crime because no one else will speak out.

We need to help solve and fight crime together.

Are you that easy to be bullied around by people who should not deserve credit. stand up people show some muscle/real balls and some authority here when things happen that are not good.

or continue being silent and keep on looking the other way and let things continue to worsen instead of improve.

Im not talking just alone or exclusivley of this case alone, even though it is really horrible but I am speaking out because I cafe I am tired of having to live in fear but I do try to fight for what is right and try not to offend others that much.

Do we ave to live in a world that is suppose to allow us a free voice and freedom of expression but we have to use alyas names because we do not want to have our speaking rights cause us to be hurt or mamed or even causing us to lose our lives because of how we feel?

We are people and people we are not perfect with out people there is no communication with-out communication there is no knoweldge of whats going on.

No one will bite your head off and people also need to learn to be more complimentive and less insulting.

Build people up do not knock them down.

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crusaderfreedom · « **Reply #216 on:** April 11, 2009, 10:08:33 PM »

A number of Points It would be more respectfull to write in English as your talking about an English person.2nd Mhargie WAS WAS HATED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY MARTINS FAMILY ,AS WHEN SHE CONTACTED THEM IT WAS ALLWAYS TRYING TO EXTORT MONEY AND USING THE BABY AS A MEANS TO AN END SHE IS AND ALLWAYS HAS BEEN A MANIPLITIVE BITCH THAT WILL SHOW NOW SIGHNS OF REMORSE.WHEN SHE LEFT FOR ENGLAND MARTIN CHANGED THE LOCKS SO SHE COULD NEVER ENTER THE HOUSE,HOW IS IT SHE WAS AT THE HOUSE?

? SHE MUST HAVE KNOWN HE WAS NOT COMMING BACK ,
NO COUNTRY WOULD LET A SUSPECT/WIFE INTERVIEW THE ALLEGED MURDERER UNLESS IT WAS A CORRUPT POLICE FORCE
WHERE IS MARTINS WILL HE LEFT

??
WHERE IS MARTINS PRENUPTIAL

?? IS THIS WHY SHE ENTERED HIS HOUSE TO RANSACK HIS SAfE AND DESTROY THE VALUBLE DOCUMENTS AND TAKE HIS CASH

WHATE ABOUT HIS BANK i WONDER WHAT IS LEFT ,
as she had no money of her own why she order the most expensive coffin and funeral ,unless she had access to his money and belongings,
any innercent person would have asked the cost first then contacted his family to help ,but she new she was disliked!!!!!!
some one mention a 50,000 peso reward if readers think it help I will give serious consideration to this as I have saved on the investment

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #217 on:** April 11, 2009, 10:27:10 PM »

This is a painful situation. I am praying for all of the friends and family of Martin. Truly, we offer you our sincerest condolences. You all are in our thoughts and prayers.
May the Justice be given.

May the Good Lord Rest His Soul.
In Jesus' Name.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #218 on:** April 11, 2009, 11:48:00 PM »

Crusader you took the words right out of my mouth.

Happy Easter YOU!

I have lost a kind friend in Martin and will always keep his ideals for handling business in my head.

Martin was like an English uncle to me.

Not even near to being a rapist.

That's obscured to consider him even doing such a thing!

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hofelina · « **Reply #219 on:** April 12, 2009, 12:21:23 AM »

Crusaderfreedom, I know you are hurt that you lost a good friend and you dislike the way the ex-wife behaves. May I say that this is an open Forum, whose tendency is to use the local vernacular of the Bol-anons.
How the members write their feedbacks is a personal choice and their personal opinion. It can not be dictated in what language should it be expressed. It is of course a must, that decent choice of words be used and politeness is observed.
We will abide by the law, no matter how you judge our judicial system, nobody is above the law.

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STEVE · « **Reply #220 on:** April 12, 2009, 07:48:30 PM »

Martin has a good friend over here, who ive spoken to, he has good friends in the BBC (british broadcasting Co). They i believe are very interested in taking up this story and i know this will eventually have world wide media coverage. I assure you,just because some child has been arrested for this stabbing, this is far from over. Lets not forget Martin was-

1. Last December- knocked off his motor bike ,in a hit and run. He survived.

2. In january- Shot at in our presence, He survived.

3.In Jan or Feb- Bar staffed where offered money to poison him. He survived.

4. In Feb- Rape charges brought against him ( by paid girls). He was cleared.

5.In March- Unfortunatly, they got him and stabbed him to death.

So please can anyone tell me that this stabbing was an isollated incident ? I dont think so. HELLO ! you dont need to be a detective to work this one out.
If these 5 incidents were each a one off, would you want to holiday there or invest your money ? the so called mastermind (not a clever one at that) is still at large.

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hofelina · « **Reply #221 on:** April 12, 2009, 08:47:38 PM »

Dear Steve,

Please donÂ´t feel so agitated, I think nobody is assuming that this is an isolated case. Of course, it uncomprehensible for us about the motives of MartinÂ´s killing, reviewing the postings here that he is a good guy.
If IÂ´m a foreigner, I would still love Bohol and invest money here.

Hofelina

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kiris · « **Reply #222 on:** April 13, 2009, 03:31:18 AM »

A number of Points It would be more respectfull to write in English as your talking about an English person.2nd Mhargie WAS WAS HATED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY MARTINS FAMILY ,AS WHEN SHE CONTACTED THEM IT WAS ALLWAYS TRYING TO EXTORT MONEY AND USING THE BABY AS A MEANS TO AN END SHE IS AND ALLWAYS HAS BEEN A MANIPLITIVE BITCH THAT WILL SHOW NOW SIGHNS OF REMORSE.WHEN SHE LEFT FOR ENGLAND MARTIN CHANGED THE LOCKS SO SHE COULD NEVER ENTER THE HOUSE,HOW IS IT SHE WAS AT THE HOUSE?

? SHE MUST HAVE KNOWN HE WAS NOT COMMING BACK ,
NO COUNTRY WOULD LET A SUSPECT/WIFE INTERVIEW THE ALLEGED MURDERER UNLESS IT WAS A CORRUPT POLICE FORCE
WHERE IS MARTINS WILL HE LEFT

??
WHERE IS MARTINS PRENUPTIAL

?? IS THIS WHY SHE ENTERED HIS HOUSE TO RANSACK HIS SAfE AND DESTROY THE VALUBLE DOCUMENTS AND TAKE HIS CASH

WHATE ABOUT HIS BANK i WONDER WHAT IS LEFT ,
as she had no money of her own why she order the most expensive coffin and funeral ,unless she had access to his money and belongings,
any innercent person would have asked the cost first then contacted his family to help ,but she new she was disliked!!!!!!
some one mention a 50,000 peso reward if readers think it help I will give serious consideration to this as I have saved on the investment

it seems that you know all about the marriage problem between martin and his wife. and you're telling it in detailed as if you constantly talk to martin. are you based in bohol right now or have lived in bohol before the killing incident happened? just curious

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #223 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:07:12 AM »

Steve,

My freind relax as we are trying to do over here.

My first write up on Martin regarding the bullets should be in www.boholstandard.com around the 11th and 25th of janurary it should be in the archives.

Hope you had a pleasant Easter!

In the following reply i will paste up some of the counter affadavit of Martin in his recent double cased alleged rape case that was already dismissed last week and will be signed today in court.

The dismissal was in favor of Martin because that girl Vanessa Galo complaint is so fabricated and ridiculous so you see Martins wife is prooved wrong in making him out to waste his time in defending himself as an alleged rapist!

Maybe this was some sort of tactic in order to stall for time to get all the ducks properly lined up in a row in order to throw him off track to get more important matter's done.

Like duh Hello!

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #224 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:42:58 AM »

(Please note this is just a partail paste of what is the full blown contents of the counter affidavit, as I just want you to see what Martin was wasting his time with fighting when he had other important matters to get done before another murder attempt was performed against him.)

COUNTER-AFFIDAVIT

Martin Andrew Williams

7.4 Fourth, this Ludy Vanessa Galo was even one who volunteered information to me as the identity of the hired gun man who shot me last January 11, 2009 and also to the mastermind of said shooting. In fact, she told the tourist police in Panglao during her interview that she knows the suspect and that the suspect told her that it was my wife who was the one who had hired the said suspect to kill me, she even executed in an Affidavit dated February 5, 2009 to support the criminal complaint for Attempted Murder filed against the suspect before the Provincial prosecution Office of Bohol. It is just unfortunate that the contents of her Affidavit submitted to said Office by the tourist police of Panglao were already different from what she actually told the police at the time she was interviewed. So why would she do all theseâ€”help me know and find the suspect and mastermind of the shooting and even help me prosecute them, if I allegedly raped her? And

7.5 Fifth, and most importantly, when this Ludy Vanessa Galo was interviewed by the tourist police, she never told them that she was raped by me, and in fact after the said interview, she even stayed and slept in my house together with other employees since they were also scared of the shooting incident. Again, if she was indeed raped last December 15, 2008, why would she stay and sleep in the house of the man who she has accused of raping her and in the place where she was allegedly raped? Clearly, the above actions and behavior of Ludy Vanessa Galo are not inconsistent with human nature but are also inconsistent with that of an alleged rape victim;

8 . That moreover, this Ludy Vanessa Galo, aside from being over friendly with foreigners, is also known for making up stories and/or lying. In fact, when she was still working at the SHE BAR, she kept on telling the other employees and even some guests that she is my girlfriend and that we have been together for six (6) months already. She even also told them that I would give her my house and lot in Tawala Panglao. She also claimed that she has been working at the SHE BAR for two (2) months already and that she was already nineteen years old. All these are obviously not true. But we (the following other employees and I) just did not mind what Ludy Vanessa Galo was saying because she already has a reputation of making up stories and even lying. That is why I am not actually surprised that she agreed to be used in the filing of these fabricated, incredible, baseless and malicious criminal complaints for rape against me considering that fabricating and concocting stories like the instant complaints would not be easy for Ludy Vanessa Galo but it would be natural for her reputation;
9. That furthermore, the Medical Certificate attached to the complaint should not be given any evidentiary value or weight considering that the date of the examination considering that the date of the examination of Ludy Vanessa Galo was conducted only on February 1, 2009 while the date of the alleged incidents was on December 15, 2008. Besides, it cannot also be discounted that this Ludy Vanessa Galo no longer a virgin considering that she is very accommodating to the foreigners in Panglao and is known to actively pursue them. In fact, she could have very well engaged in sexual activities prior to said examination. And lastly, the said certificate does not even indicate that she was a victim of rape;

10. That it is very clear from the foregoing that all allegations of Ludy Vanessa Galo as narrated in her affidavit are not only fabricated and trumped up but are also tonally absurd, illogical, ridiculous, incredible and downright preposterous. Hence, there is no legal and factual basis to charge me for two (2) counts of RAPE IN RELATION TO R.A. 7610, and therefore, humbly prays for the dismissal of these instant Complaints filed against me;

11. That I am executing this Counter-Affidavit to attest the facts above-stated and to prove my innocence to the fabricated, ridiculous, incredible, baseless and malicious charges leveled against me.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this March 13, 2009 in the City of Tagbilaran, Bohol, Philippines.

MARTIN ANDREW WILLIAMS
Respondent

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN tor before me this March 13, 2009 in the City of Tagbilaran, Bohol, Philippines, and I am satisfied that he has executed his statements according to his free will and voluntarily act.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #225 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:04:50 AM »

it seems that you know all about the marriage problem between martin and his wife. and you're telling it in detailed as if you constantly talk to martin. are you based in bohol right now or have lived in bohol before the killing incident happened? just curious

krisis,

if you are really reading the full context of this blog? STEVE and Martin are very close in fact so close even in England.
Steve, as you probably have been reading was one of two persons present sitting at the bar when the two bullets were fired at Martin.

As for knowing Martin if Martin could trust you he would tell you openly what were the things going on around him and happening to him.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #226 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:01:53 AM »

Aother British was found murdered in poblacion Ubay

Moved to another Topic.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #227 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:36:34 AM »

krisis,

if you are really reading the full context of this blog? STEVE and Martin are very close in fact so close even in England.
Steve, as you probably have been reading was one of two persons present sitting at the bar when the two bullets were fired at Martin.

As for knowing Martin if Martin could trust you he would tell you openly what were the things going on around him and happening to him.

Precious, I read the post. I think Kiris meant to say that to Crusader and not to Steve.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #228 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:36:57 AM »

Aother British was found murdered in Panglao this morning at his own home.

This is getting scarey.

I want out of here!

Any more detail about this case, Precious?

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #229 on:** April 13, 2009, 11:11:01 AM »

Not sure which case your refering too?

Thanks for the correction he he he im tired when I made that reply.

How was your Easter Holiday?

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grazie7y · « **Reply #230 on:** April 13, 2009, 12:38:38 PM »

Not sure which case your refering too?

Thanks for the correction he he he im tired when I made that reply.

How was your Easter Holiday?

Aother British was found murdered in poblacion Ubay

Moved to another Topic.

This is the case I am referring to, Precious.

About Easter, thanks for asking. Easter was good sans were the quiet observance like we do in Bohol with my family. There, you can really tell it's Good Friday since it seems like everything go stand still. lol. Here, it's business as usual. But our local church had the usual easter services. Saturday evening, we had advance Easter celebration with family and close friends. Food was simple and good (seafood, vegetables, fruits, suman, puto, binignit, etc.). Well, we couldn't help it; we were singing and dancing. What is Pinoy party without singing and dancing!

How about you, Precious? How was easter?

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #231 on:** April 13, 2009, 09:00:56 PM »

I spent time havinig bed rest with the kids.

I was abl;e to have two days of bedrest due to new medicines from my Doctor.

They are not working so now I am taking 1000mg of Hemostat to help slow down bleeding that I have had for three months straight with no day off.

My pants are literally falling off of me now.

Ugma ni ulka sa Dr. and ask her if there is an alternative medicines that would be 100% effective for me to use?

My daughter and I went to the Plaza Rizal late on Saturday night and watched the activities at the church and it was capped of with about a 30minute firework show with the help of Dennis Du from Dunkin Donuts Dragon Fireworks tyhe firework display was wonderfull it literally had my dotr in tears!

I have transferred the post on the second British on a new topic.

To be honest Atty. Lim is very mad in how they (the PNP) allowed Martins wife just to do as she damn chooses in how she was able to meddle and break her way inside the house that was locked up and to have possibly botched up this case and has destroyed any evidences that of lead or could have proved if there was a Mastermind?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #232 on:** April 14, 2009, 02:55:17 AM »

I spent time havinig bed rest with the kids.

I was abl;e to have two days of bedrest due to new medicines from my Doctor.

They are not working so now I am taking 1000mg of Hemostat to help slow down bleeding that I have had for three months straight with no day off.

My pants are literally falling off of me now.

Ugma ni ulka sa Dr. and ask her if there is an alternative medicines that would be 100% effective for me to use?

My daughter and I went to the Plaza Rizal late on Saturday night and watched the activities at the church and it was capped of with about a 30minute firework show with the help of Dennis Du from Dunkin Donuts Dragon Fireworks tyhe firework display was wonderfull it literally had my dotr in tears!

I have transferred the post on the second British on a new topic.

To be honest Atty. Lim is very mad in how they (the PNP) allowed Martins wife just to do as she damn chooses in how she was able to meddle and break her way inside the house that was locked up and to have possibly botched up this case and has destroyed any evidences that of lead or could have proved if there was a Mastermind?

Priscilla,

I am impressed with your dedication to your work, and truly you bring a fresh breeze in Bohol Journalism. I admire your American perspective and how you provide that perspective in Bohol Journalism.

Make sure you rest and take it easy as well. Let your mind unwind and don't let such cases affect you too much.

Your health and your safety should be your top priority. Rest a while, make sure to take enough fluids, and keep up with your medication.

Happy Easter, Priscilla. God Bless you for what you are doing and your dedication to your profession.

Sincerely,
Lorenz

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #233 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:01:14 PM »

Thanks for the positive and caring statement.

I am just watching this blog and not saying much as I am just reporting what is on paper available to the public to attain any time.

I am n honestly not saying much because the case in some ways is not closed by no means. According to the local police even they told me they are afraid to comment about the case the exact words were "We can not want comment about it because the case is very dangerous"

Makes one wonder what they mean by it is dangerous when the one behind bars is the one who admitted to being the only one one who had stabbed Martin to death 14 times.

In the opinion of Martin's freinds, family, and the educated Filipino citizens who knew Martin as a good person that he was they would like to request that the local polce to dig deeper into this investigation.

I am with holding those persons names in order to protect them.

WE THE FOREIGNERS ALSO REQUEST PROPER FAIRNESS AND PROTECTION AND HONEST COOPERATION FROM BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE LAW.

WE THE FOREIGNERS WILL NOT STAND FOR FURTHER HARRASSMENT OR TOLLERATE BEING VICTIMS OF CIMES HERE IN BOHOL AND EVERYWHERE WE GO.

WE THE FOREIGNERS WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU GET ONE OF US IT HURTS ALL OF US.

FOREIGNERS AND EXPATS OF BOHOL STAND UNITED AS ONE.

Blogs are on the international web for availibility to allow others to see and make they're own opinions.

Replies to this blog topic is the opinion of others and may not be the opinion of ourselves.

We need to respect the feelings of others on such post as these.

We must keep in mind many of Martins freinds are on this blog and same as his family.

We need to listen and respect what they feel and say.

Martin was a very open and honest person, freind and son and was not a serial rapist in any way shape or form. With Martin you had to earn his trust in you.

Martin always was a gentlman to me and everyone around him.
He enjoyed of talking about things dealing with entrprize and ways on how to help people live a happeir life.

In the final days before Martins was murdered he kept us his freinds and family posted on his thoughts and feelings and often said he was not sure what would happen next to him or if he would end up being murdered before the next coming week

I as his feind find this case sickining and find myself crying twice a day because I never imagined that as nice as he was to know that he would really end up as he had predicted his life to be and that was of ending up murdered and it was looking at him straight in the face everyday for the past year or maybe more.

Remember men and especailly foreign men beauty is only skin deep!

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bridge · « **Reply #234 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:14:43 PM »

Priscilla, thanks for your engangemang and the pathos.

What is now happening in Bohol against us foreigners is terrible. I can now not feel the same security or the pride of Bohol, although I have most of my friends there.

A couple of my foreign friends have already after attack against Steve canceled their travel plans to Bohol and the Philippines. Now I self feel this its not the same place anymore.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #235 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:47:33 PM »

what was the attack on Steve or did you mean Martin?

Well anyways I have been very busy as a concerned citizen and expat looking out for others same as me to warn them to be very carefull now a days.

Unfortunantly with this case in particular if you know the background of it you would find this action from the police and the investigators a slap in the face towrd foreigners such as us.

Not only do foreigners end up getting murdered they end up robbed and in this case the victim was not only robbed and murdered but the wife who inherits the whole bonanza continues to take women to the local police trying to make him look like some serial rapist that he is honestly not.

This woman should be mourning in my thinking.

You should of seen the contents of her text messages that she would send to him and he would show us his freinds and send to his family in England.

Martin kept in touch with his freinds and aslo his family in england.

Many foreigners knew Martin here as well as business owners and they described him as kind.

If you are from the states we some of the expats sort of think about Tawala Panglao in the same way that we think about Guerro Mexico or little Tuajana Mexico close to the border of California.

Martin also sent us text messages about things before he was murdered but the problem was is that the investigator would not entertain the other side of the story he would entertain the widow's side only.

Keep in mind her realtives are a former mayor of Dahohoy and a officer police man here.

Anyways my chin is up and I do not take crap off of anybody but if you come here you may have to wear a bullet proof clothes!

Joke jole joke!

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bridge · « **Reply #236 on:** April 14, 2009, 04:03:33 PM »

Martin, of course.

I am not surprised over the level of police work... My last visit I meet tree police man sitting in the Purok with uniform and drinking tuba at Bohol. I know now that many here at the forum going to be upset on me, but its shocking for a forgeiner to see this happen. I understand why people dont report criminal things, thats also a way to say its low crime level,,

Bohol and the people there had earlier do me very proud and glad, I had always look at it like something special, far away from criminal and unsafe. I had plan to stay there now 6 months from first week of May, but I really need to thinking if thats a bad situation for me and my families safe.

Peace

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #237 on:** April 14, 2009, 04:15:43 PM »

Im still aive and kiccking been here eight years and have seen most of it and getting a more clearer picture.

It means more to pay attention to how things are done when this type of heinius crime has been done to a sweet freind as he was.

I am sure if it was me instead of him he would do the same for me.

or his other freinds and family.

Peace also!

Stop everyone saying the name of Priscilla

there is a reason we use another ID name in here.

That was for veryone!

Thanks!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #238 on:** April 14, 2009, 04:51:08 PM »

pnp, were you able to talk to men in the capitol? how was it?

what was their reaction to your group's position you posted in this forum?

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justice for martin · « **Reply #239 on:** April 15, 2009, 02:14:11 AM »

Ive just been listerning to a liverpool radio station and theres so many poor familys still to this day fighting for justice for the 96 people who died at Hillsborough,20 years ago tomorrow. It goes to show that the family of anyone who dies and justice is not served cannot ever rest and i am sure Martin Williams Hawthornes family will not ever rest until true justice is served no matter how long that takes.

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rachael · « **Reply #240 on:** April 15, 2009, 03:14:28 AM »

you are right i know i will not give up on him or deal with my feelings till this matter is over and i know his family will never rest ever untill we get him home no matter how long it takes !!! how can they say good bye its not fair dragging this on but they are and all his friends are very strong willed so will fight till the end for him .

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #241 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:26:55 AM »

Calle, This memorandum of statement will be also printed inside of the newspaper's I am speculating some time with in the next couple of weeks with hopefully more signatures added to it.

We have the support of my media freinds from both radio stations Dodong Libotuna AM DYTR/911 an Joeph Ligan from Kiss and DYRD announcing when the next meeting will be and they would like to attend the meeting and have coverage as well.

I'm looking at guest speaker's such as Atty, Alexander Lim, and Sr. Writer of Bohol chronicle Kit Bagaipo, and one other person maybe a provincail Dr. to talk about medical services and foreigner rights as pateints and also discuss about blood type.

I hope we can get the donations from the tourist businesses so that they can give back to foreigners what we have given to them for so long.

Any business owner or politicians reading this can contact me if they would like to help support the group.

Our meeting is schelduled for April 27th at 5PM.

I am hoping for a good foreigner turn out.

Take Care!

'''''''''''''

Donot worry justice and Rachael many foreigners are not happy these days with all this murderes being done to our people.

It's emotionally hard and makes even native Filipino scared to live here with all this horible crimes happening.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #242 on:** April 16, 2009, 02:38:50 AM »

I am hoping members of Tubag Bohol can all log onto this web site this saturday April 18 and offer a moment of silence for the two back to back British Murders that happened to people who chose Bohol as a place to live and make they're home.

During this moemnt of silence this weekend I would like that we reflect on the peace and security we had here before and how can we help in making it go back to the way it was before?

Do not worry the case of Martin Willims is still being investigated as far that I am aware of.

I was able to get up the mental strength to have the pictures of Martin developed as he layed a top the morgue table.

Just looking at the places where he had been stabbed so many times makes one think that Gulle with his size is just to little to have pulled that off by himself.

Especailly with the dragging of Martin's body some 30 mitres as he left a blood trail behind.
Who is to say those involved could have set him up to be down to his breifs to cover up what was the real deal.

Martin would not swim at night especailly whith all the threats and the attempted homicides on him from the past.

Martin I am sure is not happy or at rest at the grave burreid in the ground of a country where it's people have murdered him.

The widow should honor the parents request of they're son and she should have him cremated and sent back to England.

I think she told the police she was on good terms with the inlaws so why does she not ablige?

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TOPAC · « **Reply #243 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:51:31 PM »

thanks, pnp.

pnp, can you update us also on the murders of foreigners in valencia and baclayon?

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Mulligan · « **Reply #244 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:07:49 PM »

Salamat sa info.

Kuyaw na gyung bohol karon dili na safe labina sa mga langyaw ................. nga daghan kuarta ug labina ug dili kahibawo makisama.

I am hoping members of Tubag Bohol can all log onto this web site this saturday April 18 and offer a moment of silence for the two back to back British Murders that happened to people who chose Bohol as a place to live and make they're home.

During this moemnt of silence this weekend I would like that we reflect on the peace and security we had here before and how can we help in making it go back to the way it was before?

Do not worry the case of Martin Willims is still being investigated as far that I am aware of.

I was able to get up the mental strength to have the pictures of Martin developed as he layed a top the morgue table.
Just looking at the places where he had been stabbed so many times makes one think that Gulle with his size is just to little to have pulled that off by himself.

Especailly with the dragging of Martin's body some 30 mitres as he left a blood trail behind.
Who is to say those involved could have set him up to be down to his breifs to cover up what was the real deal.

Martin would not swim at night especailly whith all the threats and the attempted homicides on him from the past.

Martin I am sure is not happy or at rest at the grave burreid in the ground of a country where it's people have murdered him.

The widow should honor the parents request of they're son and she should have him cremated and sent back to England.

I think she told the police she was on good terms with the inlaws so why does she not ablige?

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justice for martin · « **Reply #245 on:** April 16, 2009, 06:25:54 PM »

My condolances to Charles Maxwells family and friends,the 2nd British man murdered . Hopefully this case is not as corrupt as Martins.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #246 on:** April 17, 2009, 01:30:56 AM »

Thank You!

Everyone for the kind support of this blog topic

I also notice the date of alleged counter affidavit of rape was dated exactly 10 days to his murder. just thee days before the case would be dismissed.

Now in any investigation the wife must prove her where abouts by receipts any printed out travel ticket's investigator's should talk to her neighbors and businesses who recall seeing here that day of March 23, and any of her family or freinds who are here with here should also be accounted for during time of Martin's death as well as produce ferry and bunka ticket's since by law a passanger list is saved for all boats carrying passengers. (common knoweldge)

That list is called muster list.

most often on record for several days.

Every one including the widow traveling and staying together with family and freinds should be accounted for also on the day of spouses murder.

That would be for sure too clear them from any questionable connection to the murder as the first alleged suspects?

It is normal for the spouse in any murder of they're partner to be the one who is the first alleged suspected of murder.

If I am an investigator/judge I would be a hard corp one at that before I am satisfeid that the perssons suspected are not being involved.

Also background of wifes/husband personality, how was she/he as a wife/husband toward the victim while he was alive?

I was really made to honestly beleive that Martin really did love his wife prior to all the attempts against his life and her not being there ever for him?

I know he would cry in front of me about his wife keeping him from seeing they're own child.

She had abandoned him a long time ago. She also had a court date that following Friday after her husband was found murderd.
That she never showed up for in where she had filed a protection order against her husband?

I always seen him with his English freinds who came to see him from England. i did not ever see him showing off chick's he did not come across to me as a chicks' boy instead he was an absolute gentleman.

And then the wife is not seen mourning she still wanted to make him look bad even after he was murdered?

What was that all about?

This is in no way normal behavior of a woman who has just lost a husband to murder in my eyes.

Especailly she should of known how lucky she truly was, when he had sold everything back home in Englnd to make her a beautifull life here in the Philippines.

It shoould of been normal for the police to have a serch warrant or close off the property and house of Martin to look for any connections to his murder.
To let the widow in less then 24 hours after his murder wow that's really bizzare!

The police should have taken time to get to know the couples history.

This was a corrupted case and very botched and very contaminated case rolled into on!

with added biasis thrown in.

Martin Hawthorn did not deserve to have his life ended up in this way!

Martin deserved to have a winner life instead of loosing his life for looser's!

Nothing surprizes me here anymore as I have even seen popular Atty's treat foreigners inhumane here as well.

Makes me think if foreigners are really liked persoons here when the law does not treat foreigner matter's accordingly.

I have lived here eight years and Bohol has really changed.

Native Boholanos will say that they see so many faces here that they do not even recognize as being from here.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #247 on:** April 17, 2009, 04:04:23 AM »

Steve,

Earlier you mentioned about an award. well normally the way it works here is when the paid hitman murder man what ever you call him starts to run out of monies. Then that person who you paid to do your dirty work will start to blackmail you for more money but if your captured as the murder man who does deeds dirt cheap and your hinney ends up in the keister then the one who hired you will visit you in jail and ask you to plead guilty and promise to pay your family with money.

On the other hand if you are not captured by the law and your at large and the money does not kepp getting paid up then the one who did your dirty deed that you have hired him for will say to the authority that you hired them to do a bad thing.

Even Martin had set up an award for the bullets that were intended for him but no one had come forward.

Instead Panglao tourism police were going door to door to solicit for girls to give false allegations for rape charges against Martin.

Even the parents who are having a an honest heart complained about what the police man in Panglao was doing.

Man can you imagine if that airport comes in? Things will just be getting worse here.

Government needs to clean up corrupt police men and train the police to be real police men instead.

Not all police are bad there are some nice ones out there.

but the bad ones are enough to make up for the good ones and mar they're reputation up.

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STEVE · « **Reply #248 on:** April 17, 2009, 06:04:37 AM »

Thanks for the insight on how it works over there, its ashame we cant make him talk, we will have to hope they dont keep up there end of the bargain and dont look after the killers family,then he sings like a cannary. ! !

Lets face it shes got her hands on enough money of Martins to look after her own family and her hired killers family.

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Newbie · « **Reply #249 on:** April 17, 2009, 09:46:39 AM »

Well Said Steve, Everybody knows that the wife & her family were behind Martins Murder!!

I hope they can live with their consciencenses here on earth because they'll be a long time in HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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kiris · « **Reply #250 on:** April 17, 2009, 11:15:59 PM »

krisis,

if you are really reading the full context of this blog? STEVE and Martin are very close in fact so close even in England.
Steve, as you probably have been reading was one of two persons present sitting at the bar when the two bullets were fired at Martin.

As for knowing Martin if Martin could trust you he would tell you openly what were the things going on around him and happening to him.

so steve and crusaderfreedom are one and the same? still curious

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #251 on:** April 18, 2009, 03:03:36 AM »

Kiris,

That was already taken care of if you were reading the blog all along.

So kiris where are you from?

How did you lear about Tubag Bohol?

What is your age? You seem sort of young? Are you an energetic teenager?

If you do not like the blogs about the Britons there are other topics less complex for you to enjoy.

No crus and Steve are not the same person.

Have a pleasant weekend Krisis!

Do you have any information on this topic that would be constructive to know about?

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #252 on:** April 18, 2009, 03:21:57 AM »

Update on court happening in Tagbilaran Bohol,

Alleged Murder suspect is given 2 years and 4 months in prison for having posession of a dangerous weapon which I think is a Bojol Grill table knife (hope Bojol Grill did not ask for it back!)

According to office mates, The wife of Martin was talking with the court secretareis as she talking in her teers that she's missng her husband and that they have been seperated since December.

Why is the wife present during the sentencing of Gulle? She should still be mourning and letting the law handle the case.
What can she do was she there at the crime scene when it was taking place? What info can she provide to the case?

If my loved one is murdered I would be getting the report after the court and not showwing my face to any alleged killer.

Most people who lose a spouse or loved one or next of kin ussually do not want to have any involvement in making themself visible to the one who has done the killing.

Maybe Gulle would speak his silence if she was not always present?

Philippines needs to learn a few things when it comes to handling parteis involved and to keep them seperated for reasons incase of intimidation provoking.

Also Martin's wife should consider her safety when making herself visible in front of the alleged victim. You know Gulle has freinds and relatives who can visit him. Most persons in her position would be afraid to see the one who allegedly murdered they're loved one or next of kin eye to eye?

Alleged Gulle has not been sentenced yet for the robbery with homocide, when sentenced he can get anywhere from eight or more years depending on severity of crime.

the British Embassy has been callling the court house and monitoring this case very carefullly acording to court worker's here.

Happy Weekend Everyone!

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kiris · « **Reply #253 on:** April 18, 2009, 04:56:32 AM »

Kiris,

That was already taken care of if you were reading the blog all along.

So kiris where are you from?

How did you lear about Tubag Bohol?

What is your age? You seem sort of young? Are you an energetic teenager?

If you do not like the blogs about the Britons there are other topics less complex for you to enjoy.

No crus and Steve are not the same person.

Have a pleasant weekend Krisis!

Do you have any information on this topic that would be constructive to know about?

what's wrong with my question? i'm a concerned citizen and it's normal for me to ask.

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crusaderfreedom · « **Reply #254 on:** April 18, 2009, 10:41:54 AM »

Kris no steve and i are 2differant person he younger better looking ,but we both have the same aim to bring justice for martin and see his estranged lying cheating wife brought to justice.no one mentions her sleeping around before she met martin men she slept with after they split upin June 08 not Dec 08 ,her in Englad in set/Oct trying to extort money from martins family and friends,steve and I know each other and the reel truth and it will be told in a court of law what we know not in this blog police in uk have statements ,its just trying to get past the corupt police trying to brush this under the carpet as she is related to one,I wonder how much they are getting from his 15,000,000.million eastate???

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chona · « **Reply #255 on:** April 18, 2009, 04:29:09 PM »

i believed that all of these is gods will maybe God said martin you are hurting too much people now its time to get you now so i think he deserve his death,we know his wife since before they got married why people cannot accept the turth that martin is the one who finds his death in philippines nobody want it of course but because he thinks that he can buy anything in philippines and he got plenty of money which if you compare pounds to peso which is a lot,he is not rich in uk same as here working too much plenty mortgages if he is a good person why he abandon his first 2lovely daughters in the 1st marriage in uk because he dont want to supprt them coz for him money is important for him so how much more his 3rd daughter to a filipina wife,its ashamed for the kids that their dad never care for them.he decided to live in phil.coz its cheap and he can do what ever he wants which he cant do it here in uk, i dont think martin will pay girls if he wants im sure he wants free ,use them,give them job and feed them thats it,he dont want wasted his money bcoz of that we know what he likes in terms of money...correction also steve the wife rang the parents during the day saturday of his funeral to find out why atty.lim send someone to stop the funeral and frighten the wife if she will she gonna be in trouble not she asking money of the parents coz even a penny they never send money to philiipines just to crimate or burried their sons its so strange ,when the wife rang and ask what going on?the parents say to her "you never follow what we wants which "crimation "so our solicitor is doing his job"and put the phone down ,they always in demanded but no money to be send and use for all the expenses what a mess of the parents done to their sons body which they never think that on that day the body is started to smells bad and leeks, so coz they dont want trouble they return the body to d funeral and suddenly a big surprise again that atty.lim phone the wife monday to say burried the body now coz u steve is the one who rang atty.lim to do the commands not to burried martin on that saturday if your a good friend of martin you should not do that coz if ur a good friend under the heat of the philippines and the body really wanted to be burried and have peace of mine...After all,even martin abandon his family at the end is there a parents and friends look after his body?and put him in peace nobobody except the wife who manage everything even martin never left her to use all the expenses of course the wife will sold some of his belongings just to give him a descent funeral and to be burried and in peace.

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chona · « **Reply #256 on:** April 18, 2009, 04:54:08 PM »

the wife is close to the parents of martin but because blood is sticker than water so they have to favor their sons and get mad the wife after all which is their sons mistakes even their own grandchild they dont care and ask how is she.the wife decided not to crimate because she got also a one yr.old daugther its nice for her that her dad will be burried in philippines while she growing up and do visiting him all the time not like crimation dust to dust.

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chona · « **Reply #257 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:27:27 PM »

hello why dont you stop blamming the wife, we know most of this crime is the suspect is the wife but this case is very big diffrent and we know martin looks for his death.Martins death is so scarry really but this is all because of his all "ATRASO" about shooting before that was happened one of the bar girls was been rape already which she told the boyfriend that martin rape her whitout consent she just want job not to be rape by the time martin took the two bar girls to the panglao pulis station martin brief this two girls already to tell the pulis that the wife is trying to poison him which is not true, martin was a liar person and he really loves making stories which is not true,he wants to see people are fighting and belive what he says,why dont u ask to the panglao pulis station all incident are being recorded and blater everytime he makes troubles before christmas and after...the bar girl was being rape was addmitted that was her boyfriend shoot martin twice he is just lucky not to be dead because the boyfriend was get mad when he rape his girlfriend ,,,on the following week the bar girls dis appear and martin was surprise where they are which he doesnt know that the panglao pulis station keep them for investigations because instead they gonna confese what martin told them to tell the pulis he doesnt know that they tell the truth and cry of what martin done to them...so people try to invistigate from the start before accusing the wife okey.

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hofelina · « **Reply #258 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »

Hold your breath folks, Martin is dead. Let us give respect to him who is already beyond. As to the perpetrators or the people behind, we can not speculate or point a finger. Let justice takes its task, no matter how our system functions.
Let Martin take his final rest.RIP

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jenny1024 · « **Reply #259 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:58:37 PM »

im sory to tell this ,i know martyn more than u know him,i respect him although he treated his wife so badly,yeah he is a good friend and nice to talk with, but when it comes to his wife,he was so horrible treating her like a dirt,eversince they lived in UK he never treated her good,even on their last day before they got married he abuse her and hit her,then whe they lived here in UK for a couple of months he is the one so eager andso itchy to go back to Philippines,because he wants all his freedom he can get,and he doesnt owned that bar your talking to,most of the people who lived there are so mad of martyn,coz he never respect filipino,thats why i was not suprised when i heard about 2 attempted rape case, and doesnt even want to support his daughter,and i cant blame his wife why she left him and moved back as far as she can,coz she cant stand all the things hes done,to her,like bringing womens on their house and hitting her when shes intefering with him.
Im just writting to tell everybody that his wife,had done all her best to be a good wife and give all the support he wanted to,and she did all her best to convince him to come back in Uk,dont blame her and even judge her.

jenny

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hofelina · « **Reply #260 on:** April 18, 2009, 06:06:22 PM »

Good morning Jenny!

Buntag diri namo sa Germany, thanks for your first posting in this Forum. We can not keep on mud slinging, Martin is dead and what he has done, only God knows. So IÂ´m pleading again, let him rest in peace and to his wife, good luck and hopefully she learns to face the future with head high.
What injustice has been done can not be undone. God bless.

Manay Tess

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simplylee · « **Reply #261 on:** April 18, 2009, 09:49:08 PM »

manay dili jud ta makablame nga mopost pod na sila kay gisigihan man god pod ug daut ang asawa basin kining mga nagpost nakaila gyod adtong magtiayon, kahibawo gyod sa tinuod nga sitwasyon

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grazie7y · « **Reply #262 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:12:05 AM »

manay dili jud ta makablame nga mopost pod na sila kay gisigihan man god pod ug daut ang asawa basin kining mga nagpost nakaila gyod adtong magtiayon, kahibawo gyod sa tinuod nga sitwasyon

I agree, Tita Lee. The wife was punched here and there in this thread and if somebody wants to stand up for this woman, who is not even proven guilty, then let them be. For all we know, the wife of Mr. Martin is also suffering for the loss of the father of her child, not to mention the accusations that she has a hand to the killing of her husband. It's a sad story.

Manay, I see your point though but we didn't tell the friends of Mr. Martin to let him rest by not digging personal information anymore and posting these personal infos here.

The wife may be guilty and may be not. And if she is not, she was made guilty already because of all these allegations. And if the wife is not guilty, I don't think some people will ever be happy because their minds are already made up that she is guilty. Again, it's a sad story.

Peace to all.

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rachael · « **Reply #263 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:28:02 AM »

chona can i just correct you about martin's two daughters in the uk ... he loved them very much and always spent time with them when he was aloud to, yes martin and his first wife did break up and did have disagreement about the children on occasion as do many couples in divorce ....but he would do anything for them i know this because i spent alot of time with martin and his daughters who are two beautiful well behaved polite girls who loved there dad very much...
as for his other daughter the baby he was so proud to be a dad again and told all his friends how happy he was....
As for his love of money yes martin did love making money and had many ideas for business that was just his way but he would also be the first person to help out his friends if they needed it ...this does not make him a man to be hated just a man with a very wide imagenation.

to jenny i dont no how close you were to martin and his wife but in all the years i have known him as well as his other close friends not once has he been violent to anyone he never had it in him to be violent even if a fight broke out in a pub he was the first to step back and get away from the situation..than to jump in on it !!!!! so i find it so hard to belive in what you are saying?

??.... rape never ever would he do such a thing EVER!!!! i dont for one minute belive any of these allegations made towards him ....and if im correct he was cleared of all charges of rape after his death

yes martin is dead and should be able to rest in peace but his friends and family are not going to give up on him and getting justice for him ,As for appointing blame by taking qoutes out of context EG "steve said" and "this person said" This is like playgroud gossip! Fact martin has been buried ...! Fact martins parents wishes were to bring their son home by way of cremation ...! so please can we just let the police do their jobs without this hearsay.

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hofelina · « **Reply #264 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:35:54 AM »

Thanks Inday Grace for your postings, I just donÂ´t want to see any unkind words to Mr Martin, he should be respected as a deceased person not in the position to defend himself in case of blasphemy and personal intrigue.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #265 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:43:53 AM »

Thanks Inday Grace for your postings, I just donÂ´t want to see any unkind words to Mr Martin, he should be respected as a deceased person not in the position to defend himself in case of blasphemy and personal intrigue.

I agree, Manay. Thanks too, Manay.

I think of all the people that posted here, only a few stood up for the wife who is not proven guilty of the crimes alleged by some people here. Kaluoy pod if she isn't really guilty. We have to respect the living as much as we respect the dead. Mr. Martin's friends are out here defending for him. Sila man ga una ug hatag ug intriga busa nag defend lang ning uban. I don't know both so I can't tell who is guilty and who is not. If we want Mr. Martin to rest in peace, let us leave the investigation to the police, and respect the result of the investigation.

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raldampong · « **Reply #266 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:44:28 AM »

Let the truth come out in the open. Even Mrs. William has the right to voiced her side of the story so justice can be serve those quilty party.

There's always two side of the story. Let anyone enlightened us to what's really the truth and all will be set free.

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chona · « **Reply #267 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:06:13 PM »

Sakto jud nang imong giingon sir let heard the side of the wife kay kami sir kabalo jud mi sa asawa ni martin kon kinsa jud sya dili gyod na sila pod oltimo lang edukada jud ng pamilyaha,basta sayod jud me ni martin kon kinsa sya sukad sa ilang panag ipon hangtod namalhin nalang jud sila sa bohol kay before natukod ilang balay while nanganak iyang asaw sa uk iya rajud syang gibiyabiyaan kay bz daw sya pagpatokod sa balay pero diay bz sa mga babae,kasagaran jud sa mga puti makapoyo gani sa pinas mura nasilag nakatag iya sa nasod kay saon naaman lagi silay kwarta nga ipanggamit sa unsang klasing paagi diba?so nakaingon nagayod kami nga ang" gaba dili jud diay magsaba" mo abot nagayod diay so "KARMA " na kadtong nahitabo ni martin.kay sa dihang nagpoyo nasila sa panglao buntagay najud sya mo uli natural asawa mangutana jud ug dis a sya gikan mo ingon lang i can do what ever i want unya kung sakto ka sa pangutok moingon ana diay ka pagtubag until cge away unya pasakitan na niya ang asawa mao nga mipauli nalang ang asawa ug napalayo sa bana kauban sa iyang anak kay sa makunsimisyon diba?kay wala man jud si martin musuntinto mao nga ning file nalang ang asawa sa court para legal ang tanan ug ang asaw naapod access sa balay unya mo support sya sa bata.

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chona · « **Reply #268 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:37:58 PM »

To rachel yes we know martins second marriage from the beginning as what we observe him his a kind of person as a "scratesophenic" once he want it he always wanted and always feed up things and no satisfaction in his life never been contented,so why is it everytime he seen his first two kids even how meters away the xwife will phone pulis so theres something wrong on him... which his not allowed to be close the kids?one time the kids saw him i was there he call them if the kids close to him the reaction is so different the kids never bothered him until the xwife saysgo away otherwise i will phone pulis...regarding of martins family if they loved their son no one of them went to philippines when they heard the news its so weird anyway they never pay all the expenses of the burial how much more flying to philippines cost them too much why coz money is important to them and now keep blamming the wife after the mess of their sons thats bollocks!im sure martins is happy now after all he done to his wife and daughter they r still there for him at end of his life ....ang give him a descent burial...

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Newbie · « **Reply #269 on:** April 20, 2009, 01:25:04 AM »

Chona you really need to get your facts straight before you go spouting off!! Martins family were advised by the British Authorities not to go out there besides how the hell would his 2 elderly parents or any of his family members have coped with seeing the mess his murderers made of him?

His family will not pay his 'grieving wife' a penny after all why would they pay after she had him murdered! which is what she wanted the money for to pay off his Assassins!!

And all this crap about him hitting her the day before they got married if that was the case why did she marry him?? Exactly it's all lies, everything that comes out of her mouth is lies!!

Everyone who truly knew Martin knew what she was doing to him & knows that she had him murdered!!!

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rachael · « **Reply #270 on:** April 20, 2009, 01:37:56 AM »

thanks newbie you took the words right out my mouth !!

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lindy · « **Reply #271 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:30:08 AM »

bitaw, maayo sad nang atong madunggan ang story sa other side usa ta manghusga.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #272 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:40:06 AM »

it's good to know the other side of the story. it's healthy for the discussion, albeit difficult for the victim's family.

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justice for martin · « **Reply #273 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:04:18 PM »

Well Chona lets face it you are going to write about Martin the way you are its so obvious you are Margie his wife and as for your Friend Jenny thats your sister who lives in Liverpool. Durr !!!! . We were all wondering how long it would take for you to rear your head, Martin cant speak or defend himself now so his real friends will. So Margie - ( Gee Gee) if your grieving so badly and are so innocent how could you write about him in such a cruel and evil way. ? ? ?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #274 on:** April 20, 2009, 08:20:53 PM »

Well Chona lets face it you are going to write about Martin the way you are its so obvious you are Margie his wife and as for your Friend Jenny thats your sister who lives in Liverpool. Durr !!!! . We were all wondering how long it would take for you to rear your head, Martin cant speak or defend himself now so his real friends will. So Margie - ( Gee Gee) if your grieving so badly and are so innocent how could you write about him in such a cruel and evil way. ? ? ?

in fairness, jfm, you and pnp have been posting here with words condemning the wife of Martin, haven't you? it's not that i agree how both sides sordidly reveal us multiple-layered stories behind the murder and the people involved. we could have objective in presenting the real stories. we can't complain if someone would unkindly do us what we unkindly also do to them. kindness begets kindness. hatred begets hatred. etc etc etc etc

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chona · « **Reply #275 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:52:33 AM »

hey you ?dont ever involve margie here or her sister we are only her friends telling the truth what kind of person martin was evil and badly treated his wife and daughter,he offered me money for sex and told him what kind of girl do u think i am?go back to ur wife and child,but he it didnt take him long to find another girl very young in another bar,his whole life here was just sex sex sex,and he wont even pay for his baby medicine when she was sick ,he was a disgrace as a husband and a pittyful excuse of a father.thats was he is.

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chona · « **Reply #276 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:04:31 AM »

thats not an excuse if the parents care so much their son they will fly straight away old age is not an xcuse they should go there and would proscecute the murders not just setting down and waiting doing nothing .the police say if nobody prosecute the murderers a man and a woman will be set free so why is the wife indangering her own safety and d baby's by prosecuting them her self.if it was her who paid them she would just do nothing just look at the facts and grow up!

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chona · « **Reply #277 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:12:23 AM »

hello rachel i agree with you about martin if a fight broke out in a pub martin would be the first to get out of the way of the situation but he was so brave yes brave when it came to fighting with defensless women.

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justice for martin · « **Reply #278 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:33:17 AM »

Every trick in the books coming out now, Your english has got good, is that your english husband talking aswel now ? Martin never touched his wife - fact. But after everything else you have accused him of , its just another lie to add to the rest of your alligations, i mean your trying to justify his murder, does that make you feel better ? Dont think for one minute anyone reading your crap believes it, even an outsider to this would never agree that anyone deseves to die this way. Have some respect.

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rachael · « **Reply #279 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:07:14 AM »

chona i know there is two sides to the story as with every thing but i do not for one minuet belive the stuff you are writing its a joke never has martin been violent to anyone man or women so i dont no why you feel it to bring it up now that he is dead and can not have his say ... why did she marry him if this was the case and if your such a good freind why did you not help her like any true friend would

?? if any one of my friends had been miss treated like you tell it i would of dragged her away to safety and got the police involved from the start !!!! and now to try and bring more rubbish up saying " he wouldnt even pay for his baby,s med's " that is just scrapping the bottom of the barrell and childish ...

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nat · « **Reply #280 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:54:10 AM »

Every trick in the books coming out now, Your english has got good, is that your english husband talking aswel now ? Martin never touched his wife - fact. But after everything else you have accused him of , its just another lie to add to the rest of your alligations, i mean your trying to justify his murder, does that make you feel better ? Dont think for one minute anyone reading your crap believes it, even an outsider to this would never agree that anyone deseves to die this way. Have some respect.

yes jfm it also seems to me that some ppl are trying to justify what happened to martin! i also was a friend of martins and never witnessed any hint of these accusations and find any of it hard to believe. i also have to ask if he was that bad why did margie marry him?? she certainly had stories to tell before they married (supposedly he had hit her before they married) this tells me that she had married for other reasons than love! why else can i say? pathetic springs to mind......

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grazie7y · « **Reply #281 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:29:06 AM »

Most of you here are standing in different side of the fence, so to speak. We don't know who is telling the truth and who is just biased because you are friend of either Mr. Williams or Mrs. Williams. So just keep your cool. Mr. Williams is dead but surely he has loyal friends to defend him. Mrs. Williams is alive and she too can defend herself, or her friends can defend her. But there are unwilling victims in all the midst of this chaos: their child or the other children of Mr. Williams. Let us be mindful of the feelings of these children.

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Rosie · « **Reply #282 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:31:09 AM »

As somebody who has followed this board with interest I now feel obliged to contribute.

I have close friends who were also close to Martin, and as such, I have known these events as they have unfolded, from when Martin decided to leave for the Philippines up to the present time.

In order of occurrence:
Martin moved to start his fantastic new life in the Philippines
Martin established his house and business, at this point he was still optimistic and enjoying life
Next thing we heard was Martin was experiencing marital difficulties and going through separation
Friends visited Martin, again optimistic about seeing Martin and experiencing the beauty of the Phillipines, however they returned shell shocked and very concerned about Martin's safety having been fired at by a gunman whilst sitting in a bar with Martin.
Friends in England discussed concerns over Martin's welfare and expressed that he should return to England, but Martin had invested everything and needed to sort out his financial affairs so that he could return home.
Martin was prevented from returning home by the sudden unprecedented allegations of rape made against him, it was the impression of his friends at this time that these allegations were made with the specific intent of preventing Martin returning home.
At this point, Martin's friends in England were aware, as was Martin, that this was a very serious situation and Martin was in imminent danger.
Then literally within weeks came the horrific, shocking news of Martin's murder.

I have catalogued these events as they have unfolded, I have known them as they have unfolded, and cannot describe the shock and anger I felt as I heard the news of how he had died. My first reaction was "he should have come home".

This needs investigating thoroughly, especially considering Martin KNEW his life was in danger and BELIEVED that the danger was from those that would benefit financially from his death.

What I find absolutely unacceptable, disgusting and dispicable is that even though he has died in such a horrific way (to imagine his terror in his last moments is unbearable) that people here feel it acceptable to attempt to discredit his memory and portray him as a wife beater and a rapist. I find this disgusting and very disrespectful, inconsiderate and unnacceptabley hurtful to Martin's family. I think anyone, no matter how they may have personal conflicts, deserves respect after their death. On the other hand I believe that anyone who can stoop so low to disrespect a murder victim and his family in such an atrocious way must have ulterior motives for doing so.

Rest in Peace Martin, people who knew you (and even some who didn't) know the truth.

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STEVE · « **Reply #283 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:31:26 AM »

Welcome Nat, You only need to read the bad things being said, and its so obvious who it is. The thing is they are not very clever , they constantly contradict themselves and say things that only a guilty person or guilty persons family would say, to try and get themselves out of organising such an awful crime. They are just digging themselves into a bigger hole, so let them carry on and become a laughing stock .(The worm will keep on wriggling)

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rachael · « **Reply #284 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:58:23 AM »

welcome rosie and thanks for your contribution and thoughts well said

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STEVE · « **Reply #285 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:04:39 AM »

Hey rachael, i was just writing the exact same as you. Yes welcome Rosie, you speak for a big majority of readers, well said.

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crusaderfreedom · « **Reply #286 on:** April 21, 2009, 10:49:01 AM »

I will be back from Hong Kong in a week to compleat my sale of investment ,as I want no further involvment in a place where you cannot get justice and such a corrupt police force ,that does not look at the reel suspect I will shortly list a blog of FACTS NOT FICTION as chona does,I am just awaiting the report from a P.I. we had on the case.
The 20,000-00peso reward is still valid and now I will increase that 10,000-00 peso to have the master mind named and procercuted,But we allready Know who this is ,My P.I.has came up with some intresting facts of information

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #287 on:** April 21, 2009, 10:59:43 AM »

I will be back from Hong Kong in a week to compleat my sale of investment ,as I want no further involvment in a place where you cannot get justice and such a corrupt police force ,that does not look at the reel suspect I will shortly list a blog of FACTS NOT FICTION as chona does,I am just awaiting the report from a P.I. we had on the case.
The 20,000-00peso reward is still valid and now I will increase that 10,000-00 peso to have the master mind named and procercuted,But we allready Know who this is ,My P.I.has came up with some intresting facts of information

we'll see how interesting your facts will be about the case.

with or without your investment, Bohol will remain strong.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #288 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:15:08 AM »

we'll see how interesting your facts will be about the case.

with or without your investment, Bohol will remain strong.

I hear you, glace!

There are still people who are willing to invest in Bohol, who have no biases of this case. I think, no matter how true the result of the investigation is - i meant the official investigation, there are just people who had long made up their conclusion of this case.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #289 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:27:48 AM »

I hear you, glace!

There are still people who are willing to invest in Bohol, who have no biases of this case. I think, no matter how true the result of the investigation is - i meant the official investigation, there are just people who had long made up their conclusion of this case.

that's true.
and these people need to be reminded that our province has gone this far not by a single mouth of a promising stranger but by the resilience of our ancestors

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hofelina · « **Reply #290 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:13:20 PM »

Ondoy Glace lawom ra pagka ingles, nakasabot ba kaha ang uban?

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lindy · « **Reply #291 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:30:34 PM »

kadaghanan sa mga nangbisita sa Bohol karon mga local man dili man tagalaing lugar. Kahilas ba ining mga tawhana manulti. Kon wala mo maka angay diha sa Bohol, hala panguli mos inyo.

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hofelina · « **Reply #292 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:34:02 PM »

Saksto ka Ondoy, morag ila ning Bohol boot huna-hunaon, ang locals wala ma-asenso. Hagbay ra ning gipauli ni Simplylee.

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lindy · « **Reply #293 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:38:28 PM »

Pestihon mani sila nako karon ba. Wala pa siguro ni sila katilaw ug balikas nga binol -anon. Murang y*&^% ug kinsang haria diha sa Bohol.

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benelynne · « **Reply #294 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:41:43 PM »

crusaderfreedom et al.

We haven't met you, you won't cause a rustle in the air if you go.

It's that very arrogance that get you people in trouble, so you're good riddance in Bohol. There is such a thing as high-risk place and a high-risk lifestyle. Where I presently am in Japan, a very low-risk place, foreigners, among whom are two Britons, also got murdered within years of each other. Wonder why? High-risk lifestyle in a low-risk place.

I don't know anybody personally in this incident. I can only tell from what you write. If your idea of justice is convicting someone of murder even before you have an iota of evidence, you can vanish into thin air.

If your idea of investment is thinking you can buy even a person's dignity with your pound, burn it elsewhere.

For Martin's death to make sense, it should be a wake-up call to those who think they could treat their wives and local women shabbily, fool around with minors, put up a dignified face among friends but deal with shady characters in the dark, or otherwise live so liberated a lifestyle that would shame even their friends back home and in wanton disregard of local culture and sensibilities.

Boholanos can't be responsible for your lack of common sense. Even if I am a Boholano, I wouldn't keep company of the people Martin was last seen with.

Having said that, none of the above justifies Martin's gruesome murder. But let's just keep in mind that even in the safest of places in the world, we can invite trouble by our own lifestyles.

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hofelina · « **Reply #295 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:44:58 PM »

You hit the point Sir! Thanks for posting.

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lindy · « **Reply #296 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:50:35 PM »

Pasayloa ko ninyo mga kaigsuonan kong mga Bol-anon sa akong mga nasulti.Ilabi pa ni Mike. Apan kining mga tawhana murag sobra ra manulti ug modaug daug sa atong mga kaigsuonan nga atua sa Bohol. Nakaminus ni sila nato.

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hofelina · « **Reply #297 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:51:46 PM »

May-lain pa. Have a nice day folks!

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raldampong · « **Reply #298 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:01:42 PM »

We don't need this small time investor or Beer House is not a form of business that generate employment but exploiter of our ladies. Bring chaos to family relationship and attract prostitution. We don't need this kind of people, who belittle us and acting like they own the world. They think we don't have justice system in the country. Beside the corrupt Mayor and his police officers. Who harassed them in their establishment. Without this foreigner our Province will be peaceful. Tourist is nothing to do with our economy. Its the Boholanos who work abroad and sent part of our income to our relatives.

What we need that, Boholanos will invest in our shores. We got so many Boholano millionaire outside our Province who can provide better investment opportunity and keep our province peaceful.

Just come home every year as local tourist and build livelihood to fellow Boholanos. Help children to pursue higher education. Adapt a Boholano child as working student to pursue college education.

Many Children finished their studies thru working in the house. My Aunt has five student who finished Teacher as working student.

Lets do it, don't beg to foreigner for investment, in the long run we will see that Boholanos are peaceful people. Just enjoy Bohol in our twilight years.

Peace to ALL.

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benelynne · « **Reply #299 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:13:26 PM »

We don't need this small time investor or Beer House is not a form of business that generate employment but exploiter of our ladies. Bring chaos to family relationship and attract prostitution. We don't need this kind of people, who belittle us and acting like they own the world. They think we don't have justice system in the country. Beside the corrupt Mayor and his police officers. Who harassed them in their establishment. Without this foreigner our Province will be peaceful. Tourist is nothing to do with our economy. Its the Boholanos who work abroad and sent part of our income to our relatives.

What we need that, Boholanos will invest in our shores. We got so many Boholano millionaire outside our Province who can provide better investment opportunity and keep our province peaceful.

Just come home every year as local tourist and build livelihood to fellow Boholanos. Help children to pursue higher education. Adapt a Boholano child as working student to pursue college education.

Many Children finished their studies thru working in the house. My Aunt has five student who finished Teacher as working student.

Lets do it, don't beg to foreigner for investment, in the long run we will see that Boholanos are peaceful people. Just enjoy Bohol in our twilight years.

Peace to ALL.

I agree with you, Rald. We don't need red-light districts run by foreigners in Bohol. They are only magnets to crimes. We need real employment-generating investments, not beerhouses run by bigshots who think their pounds and dollars are enough for us to put up or shut up.

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