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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #100 on: June 19, 2010, 11:59:33 PM »
and a long shot inference at that, which no one will probably care about, much less be noted by all.  it does not answer the question.

it's frau, mein herr.
 



That may be so, but I wanted to clarify the situation. As well, add clarity and precedence to Ms. State's post. All are welcome to read it, not only for you.

Thank you for the correction, mein frau.




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #101 on: June 20, 2010, 12:02:45 AM »
to be honest, i can’t keep up.  i go for wit, that’s why, not mental masturbation nor all sound and fury signifying nothing.  but i have the patience for trying to decipher words like ceasure and raize, which i feel are your latest inventions.

geh mit gott!

I trust you can let go the spelling errors (im not writing an academic essay and is not graded, so therefore, i don't feel the need to spell check, since the main point is being shared) I trust you can accept this, after all, this is a public forum and not a college.

But in the future, I will take into consideration your zeal for grammatical correction. :)


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #102 on: June 20, 2010, 12:06:04 AM »
with apologies to states, i did not undermine her nor try to undermine her.  to undermine is “to weaken, damage or demoralize”.  surely you know that.  nor did i claim that the philistines were not greek-speaking people.  will you please read other people’s posts well first before looking at your beard and deciding that its color is blond?

my “lecture” to states was only because of the impossibility of having philistines go back to crete (and not all of them came from crete), and why, because it’s like saying that white americans need to go back to europe where they came from.  too bad your bit of history that includes mention of hellenistic culture in crete did not help any.  unsa man tawoy labot sa uling sa valencia, dong, sa ihid nga iring sa dimiao?
 
disagreeing is not undermining.   but what a childish game you play, baby boy.  you seem to try to take other people’s side and praise them to gain their own praises for you or, when that proves impossible, sometimes go as far as deleting posts that didn’t agree with yours.  it’s pathetic, because this forum can make us all friends, in cyberspace at least, even if we disagree on some things.
 
you don’t have to grovel to anyone and in the process risk strewing carelessly and needlessly the facts you've read.

you are an earnest young man, no doubt.  a few more years and more realistic experiences of life’s ups and downs perhaps can tame your loose missile (or firecracker) of an intellect.




Aside from your personal anecdotes and personal lecture, the main point of my post was to correct and clarify your original post on the Philistines.
With that said, I thank you for your side comment as well as personal inference that has nothing to do with the subject.
My age has nothing to do with the subject matter, however, I thankfully and graciously take into consideration your point of view.

All the best mein Frau.
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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #103 on: June 20, 2010, 12:16:09 AM »
let me try to follow the thread of your logic.

so the original inhabitants were hebrews and not arabs, as you say in your post?  (quoted thus)

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?  what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews? 

my, everybody there, after all, was an immigrant, though it seems to you that some immigrants are more original than others and thus have more right to the place.  ugh.  let that be said about 5th generation fil-ams, your own generation notwithstanding.  it’s called discrimination, right? 

if my “lecture” to states was erroneous, you may write to historians about how misleading their book entries were.  it looks like you know more than they do.

here’s that “erroneous” post (post #7).  tell me what's in it to undermine states with.

sorry, statesville, but i beg to disagree with this statement (not necessarily with you).  one group of the so-called philistines did come from crete, at around 1190BC; most of these groups of philistines are of mediterranean and greek origin. 

the current palestinians are descendants of abraham as the israelis--- a more apt and current term instead of 'jews'--- are descendants of the same patriarch.  (that makes israelis and palestinians blood relatives in the strict sense of the word.)

lineage aside, if we say that these 'philistines' need to go back to crete (it's not a country but a mediterranean island that is part of greece), they who have settled in gaza for more than a thousand years before christ, surely you will find it unthinkable if present americans (the whites, for purposes of this discussion) are deemed to need to go back to their countries of origin in europe because america belongs to native americans.  unthinkable, right?  to think that white americans started settling in the new world only in the 1500s after christ while the 'philistines' settled in the currently named palestine for more than a millennium before christ.

of note in these current times is that palestinians hold titles to the land and their houses that are bulldozed to make way for israeli settlements.  any country will go to war if this is done to its people.” 
 
p.s. when you say “since antiquity…”, in essence it means “from ancient times until now…”.  unfortunately, nowadays there’s no such place named yehudah.

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With ardent apologies, I did not mean to strike your nerve when I used the term erroneous, but rather was a corrective implication on my part. I do not doubt and question your intelligence, for you have shown quite the zeal in meticulous dates as well as grammatical understanding, which leads me to surmise that you have a background in Language Arts and Creative Writing of some sort.

My little inference was merely to add a simple historical input in the reasons why Palestine was called Palestine and not Judea, not in anyways or sorts to mitigate your intelligence, but rather, a sharing of historical tid bit to this beautiful and wonderful discussion.

I do hope you do not mind my doing that, mein Frau.

Danke mein Frau.,
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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #104 on: June 20, 2010, 12:17:48 AM »
congratulations, statesville and lorenzo, on your newfound mutual admiration club.  from wisdom to precision to grammar, you are, indeed, one in glory.  may your tribe multiply like the tribes of israel. ;D 
 

I admire you as well, mein Frau, for your spirited discussion and debate (not to mention your beautiful mind).

Truly and kindly yours,
Lorenzo

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #105 on: June 20, 2010, 12:30:36 AM »
lorenzo, baby boy,

may I repeat some questions of mine which you, in your omniscience, perhaps failed to see and which, unfortunately, your posts failed to enlighten amid all its garbling:

by reminding me that the term palestine was a “roman impression and not original”, did you mean to say that the palestinian nation does not exist or does not deserve to exist at all?

states’ statement was that 'philistines need to go back to crete'.  is this exactly what you gave credence to with your little inference?  as i have earlier said, that statement is like saying that white americans should go back to europe because they came from there.   

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?

what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews?

so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

n.b.  these questions are a result of your posts.

regards.

Dearest Frau,

That is the very question that you and I and all the world would like to know the answer to. Can there be peace? When you know the answer, please, share with us.

As for your biblical query on Abraham's movement to Judea, one finds the answer in the Book of Genesis Chapter 12: 1Now(O) the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2(P) And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and(R) in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

His migration to Judea was a direct mandate not of himself, but by God The Father, the importance of which, is the completion of redemption prophesy (I leave that to you and others to accept or believe/ or not).



All the best mein frau,
Lorenzo
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PS. My dearest frau, never have i claimed omniscience nor do i come close to that. The only one who is omniscient is The Lord God. Anyone else is but a speck of dust in time before His Majesty. I am but a simple and common student wanting to learn a little bit of information (with the time we are given), much like yourself and the rest of the world. Please, i dont know why you would think i am omniscient when i am but an average student in all things.
Average by His Grace...





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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #106 on: June 20, 2010, 11:14:08 AM »

That may be so, but I wanted to clarify the situation. As well, add clarity and precedence to Ms. State's post. All are welcome to read it, not only for you.

Thank you for the correction, mein frau.


before you can clarify anything, you should be clear yourself.  you wish to “add clarity and precedence to ms. state’s post”?  do you really understand what “precedence” means?

“all are welcome to read it, not only for you.”  the word “for” should be deleted.

and “mein frau” is wrong twice over.  since “frau” is feminine, it ought to be “meine frau”.  but still it would be wrong, because it means “my wife”.  the correct expression is “meine dame”.
 
oh, lorenzo, as the saying goes, “marami ka pang kakaining bigas”.  please act according to your age, which isn’t much, and accomplishment, which is zilch.  who knows, if you do so you might earn a multitude of real friends.

now i'm doing what you do, correcting people. 

thanks too.


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #107 on: June 20, 2010, 11:22:28 AM »
I trust you can let go the spelling errors (im not writing an academic essay and is not graded, so therefore, i don't feel the need to spell check, since the main point is being shared) I trust you can accept this, after all, this is a public forum and not a college.

But in the future, I will take into consideration your zeal for grammatical correction. :)


All the best mein Frau.,

i am looking forward to that day. 

when one is careful with simpler things like grammar and spelling, whether it is in university or a forum or the rest room, it may show that one is also careful with everything else, from manners to data and conclusions.  the main point gets garbled if the medium is garbled. 

who cares about grades?  they matter not because we don’t do things as cleanly as we could only because we are graded.  i believe we should not sacrifice quality for speed.


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2010, 11:50:35 AM »
Aside from your personal anecdotes and personal lecture, the main point of my post was to correct and clarify your original post on the Philistines.
With that said, I thank you for your side comment as well as personal inference that has nothing to do with the subject.


that’s the very problem of this exchange; you believe you can correct and clarify as if others cannot read or understand what they’re reading.  you could have said that you only wanted to add, not correct and clarify.  the latter confused me because i couldn’t for the life of me get what it was that you wanted to correct and clarify nor get your correction and clarification, on top of your claim that i was undermining ms. states.  

but if you insist, then please take time to distill what you wish to convey so you won’t end up muddling your points.  we’re reading almost the same things anyway.  we (tb members) differ only in understanding and interpretation of what we read and know.  top that with experiences and personal choices or even biases if you may, and truly our discussions have reason for being.  

unfortunately, all my "comments and personal inferences" have something to do with our discussion.

wow, i’m already lecturing, say you.  taking after you?  credit me at least for being a fast learner.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #109 on: June 20, 2010, 12:33:03 PM »

My age has nothing to do with the subject matter, however, I thankfully and graciously take into consideration your point of view.

All the best mein Frau.
Lorenzo.


age generally has everything to do with most things, from one’s health to this subject matter, the former as a matter of course and the latter in terms of perspectives.  (there are reasons for the minimum age for one to qualify for a driver’s license or to be qualified to vote, right?)   

gaining perspectives, in context, and gaining more knowledge takes time.  and one gains age with time.  (your understanding of your parents’ relationship with each other must be different now than when you were 6 years old, for example.  so it is with one’s understanding of everything else.)

when one is young, one tends to believe that everybody else is less knowledgeable.  mark twain put it thus:   

“When I was a boy of fourteen my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.  But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man has learned in seven years.”  

let any young one show his imagined mettle and chances are he’s bound to be put in his place.
 


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #110 on: June 20, 2010, 12:42:09 PM »
With ardent apologies, I did not mean to strike your nerve when I used the term erroneous, but rather was a corrective implication on my part. I do not doubt and question your intelligence, for you have shown quite the zeal in meticulous dates as well as grammatical understanding, which leads me to surmise that you have a background in Language Arts and Creative Writing of some sort.

My little inference was merely to add a simple historical input in the reasons why Palestine was called Palestine and not Judea, not in anyways or sorts to mitigate your intelligence, but rather, a sharing of historical tid bit to this beautiful and wonderful discussion.

I do hope you do not mind my doing that, mein Frau.

Danke mein Frau.,
baby boy Lorenzo


ardent apologies ardently accepted. 

one uses the term erroneous because something’s wrong; one uses the term ‘corrective implication’ because there is ‘wrong implication’ somewhere.  i don’t take things personally, though, so you need not be concerned about any nerve of mine being struck by lightning. 

you can doubt my intelligence anytime and it would not increase nor decrease my imbecility.  it is best to separate the person from his mistakes, real or imagined, for objectivity’s sake, such as when it comes to history, right?  i do regard you and everybody else that way in our discussions here at tb.  i expect you to do the same.   

at the latter part of this quoted post of yours, you’re saying you’re adding.  so it’s no longer correcting and clarifying.  now, where did your claim of my undermining ms. states go? 

we’re not here at tb to question anybody’s intelligence, not mine, not yours, or anybody else’s.  we’re discussing where we stand, not our intelligence quotients.

i truly do not mind your doing what you wish to do.  just expect answers, which i hope you wouldn’t mind too.     


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #111 on: June 20, 2010, 12:46:52 PM »

I admire you as well, mein Frau, for your spirited discussion and debate (not to mention your beautiful mind).

Truly and kindly yours,
Lorenzo

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beautiful mind?  Wasn’t there a movie of the same title with the hero having only half a mind? ;D  of course, you, too, have a beautiful mind.


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« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2010, 03:10:12 PM »
Dearest Frau,

That is the very question that you and I and all the world would like to know the answer to. Can there be peace? When you know the answer, please, share with us.


which question of mine is this that you refer to as the very question?  my questions, which this quoted post of yours comments on, total 5.  definitely, not one of my questions is on whether there will be peace or not.  

here we go again, i go in one direction, you go the other way.  this is getting impossible.  i'm beginning to feel i'm wasting my time.  

if you cannot answer any of my specific questions, couldn't you just say so?



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #113 on: June 20, 2010, 03:17:12 PM »
  Naai PEACE ani nila? ambot lang, basin inig puti sa uwak  ug di ba
      paatras na ang lupad sa aeroplano!  ;D ;D ;D......who knows?

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #114 on: June 20, 2010, 03:31:56 PM »
Gawas sa Israel ug Palestine, naa pud koy namatikdan nga nagkasumpaki nga way kalinaw nga mapaabot. Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #115 on: June 20, 2010, 03:37:58 PM »

Will there be peace? Ambot lang. Aniay akong gamayng panghinaot nga mohugpa ang kalinaw...




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« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2010, 03:41:01 PM »

As for your biblical query on Abraham's movement to Judea, one finds the answer in the Book of Genesis Chapter 12: 1Now(O) the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2(P) And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and(R) in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

His migration to Judea was a direct mandate not of himself, but by God The Father, the importance of which, is the completion of redemption prophesy (I leave that to you and others to accept or believe/ or not).


All the best mein frau,
Lorenzo
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spare me the bible when my questions are deduced from the claims in your posts. 

or why don’t we just call on our creator to answer everything or make him as the reason for everything?  will there be peace between israel and palestine?  yes/no, because of the grace of god.  will the sun come out tomorrow?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will scarb appear in tb again?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will bugsay use a paddle instead of a kaguran?  no, because of the grace of god. 

will ms da binsi be able to raise again from the dead those trees in guindulman?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will vhinz08 get all his front teeth back?  yes, because of the grace of god.  is lorenzo my relative?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will hubag complete his collection of frog collectibles?  no, because of the grace of god. 

dearest average baby boy, it just won’t do.  if it were so, we wouldn’t have this kind of discussion.  you need not even have started this thread because the answer is the grace of god. 

sure, abraham’s mandate came from god.  but since you’re interested in comparative religion as i am, kindly check out what muslims also believe as their mandate from allah.  for starters, muslims also believe they are descendants of abraham.  (of course, you know that.  you’ve mentioned somewhere about your subject on islamic studies or something where the muslim professor wasn’t able to answer your question.)  and thus we may go back all over again, ad nauseam, to the beginning of this thread.

may you be showered with the best of answers,

islander :D

 


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2010, 03:47:13 PM »

PS. My dearest frau, never have i claimed omniscience nor do i come close to that. The only one who is omniscient is The Lord God. Anyone else is but a speck of dust in time before His Majesty. I am but a simple and common student wanting to learn a little bit of information (with the time we are given), much like yourself and the rest of the world. Please, i dont know why you would think i am omniscient when i am but an average student in all things.
Average by His Grace...


take note that i did not credit you with omnipotence and omnipresence.  my use of the word omniscience here is as a literary device.  i’m not crediting you with divinity, far from it, because if i did so, long before i could punch the letter x on my computer keyboard i would have wilted like the fig trees when the messiah passes by.

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« Reply #119 on: June 20, 2010, 06:14:51 PM »


if you cannot answer any of my specific questions, couldn't you just say so?



He he... ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #120 on: June 20, 2010, 06:34:39 PM »
He he, niay manulonda sa kalinaw
nga gitanyag namong mga tigpaminaw
aron lang ang salabotan malamdagan 
ug ang balatian sa tanan mahumkan ...



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #121 on: June 20, 2010, 08:21:33 PM »
mahadlok ko mo abli ani nga topic....kay si ms isles murag nagdalag latigo... ;D

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« Reply #122 on: June 20, 2010, 08:28:38 PM »
mahadlok ko mo abli ang nga topic....kay si ms isles murag nagdalag latigo... ;D

??? - ang nawong sa hadlukan.


He he, mao bitaw nga akong gipan-an og mga baki, Bay Bugs, para maoy malatigohan... ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #123 on: June 20, 2010, 09:37:51 PM »
Will there be peace? Ambot lang. Aniay akong gamayng panghinaot nga mohugpa ang kalinaw...




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« Reply #124 on: June 20, 2010, 09:38:52 PM »
  Naai PEACE ani nila? ambot lang, basin inig puti sa uwak  ug di ba
      paatras na ang lupad sa aeroplano!  ;D ;D ;D......who knows?





hahahhaha! i love it!!! di na jud ko mosakay ug erplin ug mag atras ang lupad! bahalag mag baktas ko paingon sa Las Vegas pohon! hahahhahha!

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« Reply #125 on: June 20, 2010, 11:16:55 PM »
 Naai PEACE ani nila? ambot lang, basin inig puti sa uwak  ug di ba
      paatras na ang lupad sa aeroplano!  ;D ;D ;D......who knows?

may problema kong paatras na kay walay side mirror ang aeroplano.

bitaw kong di man madala sa peace negotiation na sila di pasagdan kong kinsa nila ang mabilin, mahilom bitaw na kong mahurot na sila.   

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #126 on: June 20, 2010, 11:26:06 PM »
mahadlok ko mo abli ani nga topic....kay si ms isles murag nagdalag latigo... ;D

??? - ang nawong sa hadlukan.


kaguran, bugs, ang akong gitakin.  di ko modalag latigo kay akong knee-high boots nabilin sa pinas.  maayo pay kaguran kay magtsinelas o magtiniil ra.

 8) - nawong sa gatakin ug kaguran

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #127 on: June 21, 2010, 01:42:32 AM »
kaguran, bugs, ang akong gitakin.  di ko modalag latigo kay akong knee-high boots nabilin sa pinas.  maayo pay kaguran kay magtsinelas o magtiniil ra.

 8) - nawong sa gatakin ug kaguran

imong nawong Miss Isles mura man ug ANG PANDAY nga ga bitbit ug sundang!!! hahahahha!

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« Reply #128 on: June 21, 2010, 08:36:24 PM »
"When pigs fly".Arabs and Jews are fighting for thousands of years.!

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« Reply #129 on: June 21, 2010, 09:09:40 PM »
i believe that peace will happen between the two countries but only for a short time, then the jews will build their temple on the spot where the temple of solomon was built.

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« Reply #130 on: June 22, 2010, 12:22:23 PM »
"When pigs fly".Arabs and Jews are fighting for thousands of years.!


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« Reply #133 on: June 22, 2010, 12:50:13 PM »
Sa pagkakaron, dili jud siguro.

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« Reply #134 on: June 22, 2010, 09:17:08 PM »

Hala!  :o






Ha ha ha.You're so funny.I know you're  gonna find a pig with wings!Ribbit Ribbit Ribbit

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« Reply #135 on: June 22, 2010, 09:32:29 PM »

He he, atong pakuyogan ang flying pigs ani niya... ;D




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« Reply #136 on: June 22, 2010, 10:23:31 PM »
He he, atong pakuyogan ang flying pigs ani niya... ;D




nga hinaut paingon sila sa langit? dili sa emperno? hahahhaha!

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« Reply #137 on: June 23, 2010, 12:36:28 AM »
He he, atong pakuyogan ang flying pigs ani niya... ;D




It looks like ribbit is trying to get off the ground,at least the pigs are in cloud nine.Ha ha.

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« Reply #138 on: June 23, 2010, 08:38:45 AM »
nga hinaut paingon sila sa langit? dili sa emperno? hahahhaha!

Delikado nga dili mahilangit si Froggy kay bisag unsaon og kapakapa, mobalik man sa juta! ;D

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« Reply #139 on: June 23, 2010, 08:41:47 AM »
It looks like ribbit is trying to get off the ground,at least the pigs are in cloud nine.Ha ha.

He he, the Piggies are off to a good headstart, but it looks like our friend Mr. Ribbit is screwed up! Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #140 on: June 23, 2010, 09:07:19 AM »
He he, the Piggies are off to a good headstart, but it looks like our friend Mr. Ribbit is screwed up! Bwahaha! ;D


hahahhaha!  murag sa katotohanan murag TRUE!!!

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« Reply #141 on: June 23, 2010, 09:13:44 AM »

hahahhaha!  murag sa katotohanan murag TRUE!!!

Bwahaha! Mao jud... ;D

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« Reply #142 on: June 23, 2010, 10:35:12 AM »
He he, the Piggies are off to a good headstart, but it looks like our friend Mr. Ribbit is screwed up! Bwahaha! ;D

The only thing Mr. Ribbit can catch up with the pigs is IF he is on a rocket ship.Now top that one! Ha ha

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« Reply #143 on: June 23, 2010, 10:53:43 AM »
The only thing Mr. Ribbit can catch up with the pigs is IF he is on a rocket ship.Now top that one! Ha ha

He he, true. Good thing Mr. Ribbit has a monkey for a friend... Here they are:





;D





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« Reply #144 on: June 23, 2010, 11:15:42 AM »
He he, true. Good thing Mr. Ribbit has a monkey for a friend... Here they are:





;D





Hmmm...Monkey as a friend to a frog?Good grief I just saw a video of a monkey raping a frog.Disgusting!

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« Reply #145 on: June 23, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »
Hmmm...Monkey as a friend to a frog?Good grief I just saw a video of a monkey raping a frog.Disgusting!

Disgusting indeed! Must have been one of those giant frogs...

Monkey trying to do goat I've seen a picture of, but frog... :P

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« Reply #146 on: June 23, 2010, 11:58:31 AM »
He he, true. Good thing Mr. Ribbit has a monkey for a friend... Here they are:





;D






hahahha! bitaw naa na sitter si froggie! hahahahha!

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« Reply #147 on: June 23, 2010, 01:24:26 PM »

hahahha! bitaw naa na sitter si froggie! hahahahha!

Sauna pa na nga bata pa sija. Karon pwede na mag-inusara:



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« Reply #148 on: June 23, 2010, 01:30:33 PM »
Oi, ngano man ni nga mogawas man sa preview pero dili kon sa page na?

Kini kaha...





He, he... ;D

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« Reply #149 on: June 23, 2010, 02:02:24 PM »
baki nga astronaut?....rocket's made in Kinalumsan, LapuLapu City.

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« Reply #150 on: June 23, 2010, 07:13:59 PM »

hahahha! bitaw naa na sitter si froggie! hahahahha!

He he he.Ms da binsi that's a good one!

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« Reply #151 on: June 23, 2010, 07:55:51 PM »
hahahha! bitaw naa na sitter si froggie! hahahahha!
He he he.Ms da binsi that's a good one!

He he, tigpahid sa laway? ;D

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« Reply #152 on: June 23, 2010, 10:03:13 PM »
He he, tigpahid sa laway? ;D


;D naa baja uban nga nanginahanglan lag japun ug sitter bisan dako na nga kabaw! jahahaha!

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« Reply #153 on: June 23, 2010, 11:29:37 PM »
Karon ra ko kabasa ani nga thread kujapan ko bai, mga bugno sa hait nga mga huna-huna, nahisgutan ra ba ko, kaingon gud kug tsk tsk tsk sabit lang ko ani.   ;D 
bantog ra kay nangutana si Ms. Isles sa ako-a kung naa na koy postiso bwahahahaha,
kay ang akong avatar pogi na man. 

Pero sa akong pangagpas ani nga thread murag dulot sa bukog ang dumot aning mga lahi-a.  Ang Ginoo ra ang nasayod ani kung anus-a matagamtam ang HINGPIT NA KALINAW diha sa tunga tungang subangan.


Oi, ngano man ni nga mogawas man sa preview pero dili kon sa page na?

Kini kaha...





He, he... ;D

Unsa man ni Bai Hubs terorista (suicide bomber) or  gi sentensyahan ni sija?

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« Reply #154 on: June 23, 2010, 11:49:57 PM »
Karon ra ko kabasa ani nga thread kujapan ko bai, mga bugno sa hait nga mga huna-huna, nahisgutan ra ba ko, kaingon gud kug tsk tsk tsk sabit lang ko ani.   ;D 
bantog ra kay nangutana si Ms. Isles sa ako-a kung naa na koy postiso bwahahahaha,
kay ang akong avatar pogi na man. 

Pero sa akong pangagpas ani nga thread murag dulot sa bukog ang dumot aning mga lahi-a.  Ang Ginoo ra ang nasayod ani kung anus-a matagamtam ang HINGPIT NA KALINAW diha sa tunga tungang subangan.


Unsa man ni Bai Hubs terorista (suicide bomber) or  gi sentensyahan ni sija?


Vhinz, murag suicide bomber na sha! hahahahha! gitauran ug WATUSI! ;D

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« Reply #155 on: June 24, 2010, 12:02:31 AM »

Vhinz, murag suicide bomber na sha! hahahahha! gitauran ug WATUSI! ;D


Ms. Da Binsi dili na sija maoy watusi, ang tawag ana baby rocket.   :)



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #156 on: June 24, 2010, 01:59:42 AM »

Ms. Da Binsi dili na sija maoy watusi, ang tawag ana baby rocket.   :)




bwahahahhha! infant rocket kay murag mas gamay pa na sa baby! wahahhaah! hinimo daw na sa Danao!

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« Reply #157 on: June 24, 2010, 03:19:30 AM »

bwahahahhha! infant rocket kay murag mas gamay pa na sa baby! wahahhaah! hinimo daw na sa Danao!

gikan sa Israel /Palestine na dung na sa Danao Cebu man siguro ni hehehehe ug di madugay makaabot ni sa Bohol sa Danao Adventure Park..hahahha

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« Reply #158 on: June 24, 2010, 04:30:28 AM »
gikan sa Israel /Palestine na dung na sa Danao Cebu man siguro ni hehehehe ug di madugay makaabot ni sa Bohol sa Danao Adventure Park..hahahha



mo abut pa jud ni madugay sa saging nilusak, Vista! hahahaha

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« Reply #159 on: June 24, 2010, 05:43:13 AM »

;D naa baja uban nga nanginahanglan lag japun ug sitter bisan dako na nga kabaw! jahahaha!

Kabaw, or baki nga nagtuo nga parehas sija kadak-a sa kabaw! Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #160 on: June 24, 2010, 05:49:55 AM »



Unsa man ni Bai Hubs terorista (suicide bomber) or  gi sentensyahan ni sija?

He he, nagpahari-hari man gud ning bakia mao nga ibala sa kwitis aron mamenos-menosan ang hypocrisy unja hopefully makat-on og gamay nga humility... :P

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« Reply #161 on: June 24, 2010, 05:52:26 AM »

Ms. Da Binsi dili na sija maoy watusi, ang tawag ana baby rocket.   :)

Baby rocket? Tungod ba kaha kay kining bakia mahilig mokaon og baby cake? Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #162 on: June 24, 2010, 07:00:58 AM »
Baby rocket? Tungod ba kaha kay kining bakia mahilig mokaon og baby cake? Bwahaha! ;D

c baby ...... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  ;D

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« Reply #163 on: June 24, 2010, 08:25:31 AM »
c baby ...... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  ;D


kinsa bay baby oi??? si baboy? kanang gi tudlo sa dalaginding sa imong avatar, Klasmet???

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« Reply #164 on: June 24, 2010, 08:39:20 AM »

kinsa bay baby oi??? si baboy? kanang gi tudlo sa dalaginding sa imong avatar, Klasmet???

Bwahaha! Baby baboy diay!

Tungod lagi aning poor eyesight nato, diha toy nisulat diri og "baby boy" unya akong basa kay "baboy"! Bwahaha! Ambot diin ra to... ;D  

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« Reply #165 on: June 24, 2010, 08:43:44 AM »

kinsa bay baby oi??? si baboy? kanang gi tudlo sa dalaginding sa imong avatar, Klasmet???

klasmet, pangutana kang bai hubs kinsa si baby c....  ;D

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« Reply #166 on: June 24, 2010, 10:22:55 AM »
"When pigs fly".Arabs and Jews are fighting for thousands of years.!

hehe, i like your choice of words, Cujo. Sensitive bitaw ni nga subject.

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« Reply #167 on: June 24, 2010, 10:29:09 AM »
age generally has everything to do with most things, from one’s health to this subject matter, the former as a matter of course and the latter in terms of perspectives.  (there are reasons for the minimum age for one to qualify for a driver’s license or to be qualified to vote, right?)   

gaining perspectives, in context, and gaining more knowledge takes time.  and one gains age with time.  (your understanding of your parents’ relationship with each other must be different now than when you were 6 years old, for example.  so it is with one’s understanding of everything else.)

when one is young, one tends to believe that everybody else is less knowledgeable.  mark twain put it thus:   

“When I was a boy of fourteen my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.  But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man has learned in seven years.”  

let any young one show his imagined mettle and chances are he’s bound to be put in his place.
 


Ma'am,

One's age has nothing to do with this subject, the point I was making was clear from the beginning, which was in support of State's post on the origins. My inference merely added technicality in that the Romans were responsible for the term 'Palestine', and being of foreign influence. Prior to Roman occupation and political meddling (cultural, as well), the region was known as Judea.

The additional post you made to correct grammar merely strayed from the main point. Personal inferences such as parenting and what not has nothing to do with the subject matter. Age or lack of years does not mitigate my point. Thank you for your point, tho.


Let me bring back my point:
Islander, if i may infer:

Prior to the Great Jewish Revolt, present day Israel was known as Judea, it was only after the pacification of many Jewish revolts that the Romans changed the name from Judea to Palestine.

When the Romans exerted their influence in Judea in 63BC, this lead to hostility between the two peoples and would later lead to the Roman pacification of Jewish revolts and thus lead to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70AD. The Jews would later revolt in the 2nd century AD in what is known as the Bar Kokhba uprising, which lead to a prompt and devastating Roman response. The Romans implemented an ancient world version of 'Shock And Awe' by destroying and razing Jerusalem to the ground and pacified the Jews in Judea, thereby forcing the Jewish people in a diaspora. Many of whom were forced to leave for Hispaniola and Central Europe. The Jews in Iberia would later be called Sephardi Jews and the Jews in present day central and eastern europe would be called the Ashkenazi Jews.

Rome, by Imperial Promulgation under the reign of Emperor Hadrian, renamed Judea ("Provincia Judea") into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants). The Byzantines retained the Roman name and modified it to "Palastinia Sultaris"; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.

Prior to the Great Revolt, the Arab presence in Judea was minimal. Hebrews dominated the land, and it was only after Hadrian sent 12 Roman legions (a force of about 60,000 men) to pacify Judea did their presence fall. Rome tried to exterminate the Jews in that savage campaign, as it did with the Carthaginians in their 3 Punic Wars. The difference here is that Rome did erase Carthage from the known world, even as much as pouring salt over Carthage and enslaved its entire population, thereby stamping out the only rival to Roman domination of the Mediterranean World. Rome, however, was not successful in regards to its extermination of the Jews. While Rome did destroy Jerusalem and forced the Hebrews in a global diaspora, the Jews outlived the Roman Empire, and have resettled their original homeland. The descendants of Abraham continue to pray before the wall of the Great Temple, while, the Eagle of Rome has long rusted into oblivion.

Note: all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.



We're not veering from the topic, rather, my little inference was just to remind you that Palestine was not the original name. The term Palestine was a foreign (Roman, to be exact) impression on the near east. So it gives credence to States' statement.

And as far as I know, Crete was ruled by the Greeks. That island was ruled by the ancient Minoans (Mycenaean), who were Greek-speaking people. The island was (and is)  linked to the mainland Greek-city states (Greek League). So could have the Philistines been from Crete? Sure, since Crete was part of the Greek League, and since the Philistines were Greek-speaking people.
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http://www.ancient-greece.org/history/minoan.html

http://www.ancient-greece.org/








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« Reply #168 on: June 24, 2010, 10:30:44 AM »
usa lang ang solution dihang lugara, i-take over ng UN ang pang governo diha.

hehehe, it was the UN that recognized the Jewish State, following the standards of the Balfour Declaration (or as what anti-Semites would deem it as~ Zionist Expansionism).

It was the UN and the west that did not consider the peoples that lived in present-day Palestine and nullified their sense of nationhood and independence by giving autonomy to Palestine under the banner of Israel. Resolution 181 declared that there would be two nations: Israel and Palestine, however, had wars that led to the concession of Palestinian-controlled lands till their zone of control was West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Who is to blame for the current situation? Well one has to understand that since after WWII and an estimated 6-12 million European Jews were exterminated in German concentration camps, the western powers felt it necessary to establish a Jewish state for the Jews, what better location than Palestine (their ancestral home); tho other plans suggested resettling Jews in other parts of North Africa and in the interior.

Is Israel to be blamed? Good question, indeed.
Let's talk about it.

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« Reply #169 on: June 25, 2010, 12:42:12 AM »
hehe, i like your choice of words, Cujo. Sensitive bitaw ni nga subject.

The choice of words shows that this is a sensitive subject? Come on...

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« Reply #170 on: June 25, 2010, 12:59:41 AM »
hehehe, it was the UN that recognized the Jewish State, following the standards of the Balfour Declaration (or as what anti-Semites would deem it as~ Zionist Expansionism).

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

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« Reply #171 on: June 25, 2010, 01:11:28 AM »
dili lang ta diri kay naay gyera....bwahahhaha

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« Reply #172 on: June 25, 2010, 01:14:17 AM »
The choice of words shows that this is a sensitive subject? Come on...
Now,now Mr.Ribbit don't drag me with my simple comment.I enjoy your responds and have a good laugh so lets leave it that way.I read all the responds about this thread from  all of you intellegent people.Ms.Isle for one hold her own.So keep on debating and I will keep reading.Ha Ha

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« Reply #173 on: June 25, 2010, 01:32:28 AM »
Now,now Mr.Ribbit don't drag me with my simple comment.I enjoy your responds and have a good laugh so lets leave it that way.I read all the responds about this thread from  all of you intellegent people.Ms.Isle for one hold her own.So keep on debating and I will keep reading.Ha Ha

Bwahaha. You're not being dragged into this, Ms. Cujo. You're in fact being dragged out of it, my statement being that your perfectly innocuous statement was grossly misintepreted, nay, misappropriated, to serve a stupid observation.

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« Reply #174 on: June 25, 2010, 01:39:39 AM »
It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

Is it?

Then how would you explain the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, where the coalition of Arab nations namely Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and other military supporters of the Arab Legion tried to literally drive Israel to the ocean, in an attempt to 'stamp out' the light of Israel? Three times the Arab nations tried to exterminate the existence of Israel, three times they lost all conflicts due to Israeli tactical precision in land and air. It was only after the Israeli Defense Forces successfully took air supremacy in the region when it pummeled Egypt's Air Force , leading to the Israeli victory over Egyptian armored vehicles , and the subsequent Israeli victories against Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc did these countries sue for peace for a war that they forcibly brought onto Israel. Where was the 'recognition of newly independent states' ? On the contrary, there was no recognition until the aggressors were defeated in the field of battle, a war that they started.  

On the contrary, by your precedent, these Arab nations failed to embody that 'peaceful' recognition of nations as in Israelis Independence in 1947, which she had to fight and secure in self defense.

The United Nations is not a nation state, true, but it is an organization composed of 192 nations (most of the world) that works to acquire and retain world peace, enacts peace-keeping missions, economic welfare, medical standards, and provides as a platform for dialogue in the international body politic.

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« Reply #175 on: June 25, 2010, 01:42:41 AM »
Is it?

Then how would you explain the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, where the colation of Arab nations namely Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and other military supporters of the Arab Legion tried to literally drive Israel to the ocean, in an attempt to 'stamp out' the light of Israel? Three times the Arab nations tried to exterminate the existence of Israel, three times they lost all conflicts due to Israeli tactical precision in land and air. It was only after the Israeli Defense Forces successfully took air supremacy in the region when it pummeled Egypt's Air Force , leading to the Israeli victory over Egyptian armored vehicles , and the subsequent Israeli victories against Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc did these countries sue for peace for a war that they forcibly brought onto Israel.

On the contrary, by your precedent, these Arab nations failed to imbody that 'peaceful' recognition of nations as in Israelis Independence in 1947, which she had to fight and secure in self defense.

The United Nations is not a nation state, true, but it is an organization composed of 192 nations (most of the world) that works to acquire and retain world peace, enacts peace-keeping missions, economic welfare, medical standards, and provides as a platform for dialogue in the international body politic.

Best,

Please review, or read for the first time, a primer on international relations.

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« Reply #176 on: June 25, 2010, 01:43:59 AM »
I have, and have given you an answer to your little inference.

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« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2010, 01:46:11 AM »
You stated, "it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states."

Israel declared its independence and was granted it in 1947, the Arab nations (namely Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq) immediately failed to accept this and declared war on Israel in 1948. They implemented and activated military operations against Israel, which forced Israel to defend itself. Where was the 'recognition' of the newly formed state of Israel by these neighbors?

On the contrary, the Arab nations that went to war with Israel over its independence, failed in that 'prerogative'.

Please, read your own. :)

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« Reply #178 on: June 25, 2010, 01:47:41 AM »
It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

Is it?

Then how would you explain the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, where the coalition of Arab nations namely Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and other military supporters of the Arab Legion tried to literally drive Israel to the ocean, in an attempt to 'stamp out' the light of Israel? Three times the Arab nations tried to exterminate the existence of Israel, three times they lost all conflicts due to Israeli tactical precision in land and air. It was only after the Israeli Defense Forces successfully took air supremacy in the region when it pummeled Egypt's Air Force , leading to the Israeli victory over Egyptian armored vehicles , and the subsequent Israeli victories against Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc did these countries sue for peace for a war that they forcibly brought onto Israel. Where was the 'recognition of newly independent states' ? On the contrary, there was no recognition until the aggressors were defeated in the field of battle, a war that they started. 

On the contrary, by your precedent, these Arab nations failed to embody that 'peaceful' recognition of new nations as in Israel's Independence in 1947, which she had to fight and secure in self defense.

The United Nations is not a nation state, true, but it is an organization composed of 192 nations (most of the world) that works to acquire and retain world peace, enacts peace-keeping missions, economic welfare, medical standards, and provides as a platform for dialogue in the international body politic.

Best,

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« Reply #179 on: June 25, 2010, 01:56:24 AM »
You stated, "it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states."

Israel declared its independence and was granted it in 1947, the Arab nations (namely Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq) immediately failed to accept this and declared war on Israel in 1948. They implemented and activated military operations against Israel, which forced Israel to defend itself. Where was the 'recognition' of the newly formed state of Israel by these neighbors?

Please, read your own. :)

You're confused by too much data without basic understanding of concepts, my friend. Not even of simple words. Do you understand what "prerogative" means? Please look it up. What happened was that the Arab nations exercised their prerogative to NOT recognize Israel.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #180 on: June 25, 2010, 01:59:12 AM »
You're confused by too much data without basic understanding of concepts, my friend. Not even of simple words. Do you understand what "prerogative" means? Please look it up. What happened was that the Arab nations exercised their prerogative to NOT recognize Israel.

On the contrary, I have an understanding of the matter and subject, you however are too busy in the analysis of words and not on the subject matter.

The Arab nations did not recognize Israel's independence in 1947, and declared war in 1948, which nullifies your statement on how it is the 'prerogative' of nation states to recognize new nation states.

This is the very reason why we have the UN. Without the UN, there would be no dialogue. And in the end, after the 3 wars with Israel, the so called Arab nations are now trading with Israel, enact cultural missions etc. Thanks for the role of the UN in social interaction, so to say, between nations.


Keep it up, my friend.


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #181 on: June 25, 2010, 02:01:03 AM »
You're confused by too much data without basic understanding of concepts, my friend. Not even of simple words. Do you understand what "prerogative" means? Please look it up. What happened was that the Arab nations exercised their prerogative to NOT recognize Israel.

You are changing your statement now. Next time be specific in your statement, as you originally said:

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states.

You did not say NOT recognize. Now you are changing your statement. :)




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« Reply #182 on: June 25, 2010, 02:11:02 AM »
On the contrary, I have an understanding of the matter and subject, you however are too busy in the analysis of words and not on the subject matter.

The Arab nations did not recognize Israel's independence in 1947, and declared war in 1948, which nullifies your statement on how it is the 'prerogative' of nation states to recognize new nation states.

This is the very reason why we have the UN. Without the UN, there would be no dialogue. And in the end, after the 3 wars with Israel, the so called Arab nations are now trading with Israel, enact cultural missions etc. Thanks for the role of the UN in social interaction, so to say, between nations.


Keep it up, my friend.


You seem to understand "prerogative" as "obligation", which is wrong, and pathetically illiterate. Prerogative refers to the power, privilege or right to do something, or not to do it. In other words, when I say that it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize a newly-established state, it means that it is up to existing states to recognize a newly-established state or not. 

Oh, Lorenzo, you really make me sick.

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« Reply #183 on: June 25, 2010, 02:14:24 AM »
You seem to understand "prerogative" as "obligation", which is wrong, and pathetically illiterate. Prerogative refers to the power, privilege or right to do something, or not to do it. In other words, when I say that it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize a newly-established state, it means that it is up to existing states to recognize a newly-established state or not.  

Oh, Lorenzo, you really make me sick.


Merriam Webster Dictionary defines the word prerogative as:

1 a : an exclusive or special right, power, or privilege: as (1) : one belonging to an office or an official body (2) : one belonging to a person, group, or class of individuals (3)  : one possessed by a nation as an attribute of sovereignty b : the discretionary power inhering in the British Crown
2 : a distinctive excellence

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You used the word in your sentence as:

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

The way you used this word in your sentence was to infer how it was the right of nations to recognize new nation states (if we go by the 1st definition of the word). Yes, it is the right of a nation state to recognize a new nation state.

However, you have moved from your original statement from recognizing to not recognizing.

I would say , be more specific in what you say. One could translate this as indecisive? :)



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #184 on: June 25, 2010, 02:15:01 AM »
Ma'am,

One's age has nothing to do with this subject, the point I was making was clear from the beginning, which was in support of State's post on the origins. My inference merely added technicality in that the Romans were responsible for the term 'Palestine', and being of foreign influence. Prior to Roman occupation and political meddling (cultural, as well), the region was known as Judea.

The additional post you made to correct grammar merely strayed from the main point. Personal inferences such as parenting and what not has nothing to do with the subject matter. Age or lack of years does not mitigate my point. Thank you for your point, tho.


Let me bring back my point:



sir,

age or lack of years does mitigate your point because it has not yet sharpened your understanding of things, such as this subject.  it is your age (i wouldn’t say it is your intelligence) that makes you insist on your point, which are dulled by many other things aside from age.

for one, let’s look into your insistence of support of “states’ post on the origins” of the philistines (in crete, in this case).  no question; support states all you can, but for you to say that i “undermined her” is another matter.  all i did was to answer that philistines did not only come from crete but from other places as well.  is that difficult to understand?
 
whew!  one cannot “add technicality” to history.  what had happened, happened.  take note that no one is questioning that it was the romans who changed the name of judea to palestine.  but for you to bring this up (over and over) and end with a conclusion of sorts is what confuses about what you want to convey.     

now please answer me.  why bring up “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” in a thread that asks if peace is possible between two peoples?  care to insist some more that you did not veer away from the subject?

so palestine was once judea.  so the romans were responsible for the name judea.  judging from your repeated posts, you seem to be siding with the israelis.  because palestine was once judea?  is that what you are trying to say? 

if you started this thread to justify the israelis, you needn’t have asked then if peace is possible between israel and palestine.  you could simply have asked if israelis could prevail over palestinians.  then can you defend israelis all you can.         

my “additional post” on your grammar and “inferences on parenting” are mere arguments (or examples) of what age and experience or lack thereof can have some bearing on one’s understanding of things, like geopolitics in this case.

but let us grant that my bringing these two things up has nothing to do with the subject.  using your logic then, is your claim therefore that i “undermined” states or that “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” have everything to do with the subject?

p.s. i’m getting dumb and dumber answering your sickening points. 


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #185 on: June 25, 2010, 02:15:51 AM »
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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #186 on: June 25, 2010, 02:18:07 AM »
sir,

age or lack of years does mitigate your point because it has not yet sharpened your understanding of things, such as this subject.  it is your age (i wouldn’t say it is your intelligence) that makes you insist on your point, which are dulled by many other things aside from age.

for one, let’s look into your insistence of support of “states’ post on the origins” of the philistines (in crete, in this case).  no question; support states all you can, but for you to say that i “undermined her” is another matter.  all i did was to answer that philistines did not only come from crete but from other places as well.  is that difficult to understand?
 
whew!  one cannot “add technicality” to history.  what had happened, happened.  take note that no one is questioning that it was the romans who changed the name of judea to palestine.  but for you to bring this up (over and over) and end with a conclusion of sorts is what confuses about what you want to convey.     

now please answer me.  why bring up “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” in a thread that asks if peace is possible between two peoples?  care to insist some more that you did not veer away from the subject?

so palestine was once judea.  so the romans were responsible for the name judea.  judging from your repeated posts, you seem to be siding with the israelis.  because palestine was once judea?  is that what you are trying to say? 

if you started this thread to justify the israelis, you needn’t have asked then if peace is possible between israel and palestine.  you could simply have asked if israelis could prevail over palestinians.  then can you defend israelis all you can.         

my “additional post” on your grammar and “inferences on parenting” are mere arguments (or examples) of what age and experience or lack thereof can have some bearing on one’s understanding of things, like geopolitics in this case.

but let us grant that my bringing these two things up has nothing to do with the subject.  using your logic then, is your claim therefore that i “undermined” states or that “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” have everything to do with the subject?



Ma'am,

That was the only reason for my post was to provide the historical reasoning of the term Judea and Palestine. Nothing more, nothing less.
As it provides a historical tid bit of information for both sides (pro and contra). So far, it has worked. Of course, in light of this discussion.

Is peace possible between Israel and Palestine?

I would have to say that it seems quite dim, however, for those who are interested in the subject, to properly understand the reasons for the difficulties in the peace processes, one has to have an understanding in the historical premises of both sides and their arguments.

Lest we are left to ignorance in the matter.

Is peace possible?
We leave that to people to decide. However, its good to know the history of something before one decides.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #187 on: June 25, 2010, 02:21:20 AM »

Merriam Webster Dictionary defines the word prerogative as:

1 a : an exclusive or special right, power, or privilege: as (1) : one belonging to an office or an official body (2) : one belonging to a person, group, or class of individuals (3)  : one possessed by a nation as an attribute of sovereignty b : the discretionary power inhering in the British Crown
2 : a distinctive excellence

~~

You used the word in your sentence as:

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

The way you used this word in your sentence was to infer how it was the right of nations to recognize new nation states (if we go by the 1st definition of the word). Yes, it is the right of a nation state to recognize a new nation state.

However, you have moved from your original statement from recognizing to not recognizing.

I would say , be more specific in what you say. One could translate this as indecisive? :)



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« Reply #188 on: June 25, 2010, 02:39:40 AM »
During the 2004-2005 academic year, I took a history class called "History of the Middle East" taught by Professor T. Suleiman.

The final exam in this class was quite interesting in that one had to defend a side; I defended the Palestinian cause, and cited the Israeli human rights violations, while my colleague in the opposing, Robert Ayer, defended the Israeli side and the reasons for the Israeli Settlement and the wall that divides The West Bank from Israel proper.

The reason why I chose the Palestinian side was because I wanted to get inside the reasoning for their adamant protest, and to also learn more about their political and military agenda. It was quite enlightening, and one that was brought to light in our live debate-lecture as the auditorium was filled to capacity (200+) students in the History Auditorium at Allegheny College.

I came out of that debate/discussion and research better informed of the situation and sympathetic on the Palestinian side. I understand the Israeli defensive position, yet at the same time i am sympathetic to the Palestinian civil rights abuses. I also understand that the issue of Palestine is used as a ploy for many arab nations to gather the attention of their populace in order to relieve pressure on their own governments. It is, indeed, a sensitive subject, one because the world politic wants peace to this. They say something, but actions reflect the antithesis. There are too many intricacies in this region to allow peace; the jihadiislamofascists want the destruction of Israel because it will bring the end of the world, and the coming of Prophet Issa. There are right wing evangelical christians who want war because it will lead to the End of Days etc. The Israelis and Orthodox Jews want to remove the Al-aqsa mosque (considered a holy site for muslims, because this is the sight that Prophet Muhummad (PBUH) flew to), and this would lead to a Jihad.

Remember in 2000 when Ariel Sharon tried to enter the Al-asqa mosque grounds, it lead to the Intifada of 2000.



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« Reply #189 on: June 25, 2010, 03:03:19 AM »
Yes, i'm sure with that, that there will be a peace someday at that place if both of them agreed to quit claiming to reigns at area and they should consider that area as International Community.

Perhaps, someday, Vistabel.

When religion is not used as pretext to political and military action, perhaps.

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« Reply #190 on: June 25, 2010, 03:25:10 AM »
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« Reply #191 on: June 25, 2010, 03:31:30 AM »
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« Reply #192 on: June 25, 2010, 03:39:03 AM »
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« Reply #193 on: June 25, 2010, 03:40:49 AM »
lol, its just a point of view, sir. Despite your negative view of me, Hubag, I still respect  you.

Cheers.

point of view?  weird.  how can one have a point of view about fixed subjects like "prerogative" and "states"?  it's like saying that lorenzo is a boy, but my point of view is he's a girl.  or how about saying that the united states of america is a country, but my point of view is that it's a barangay road.

one can only be either right or wrong in that lorenzo-hubag dialogue.

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« Reply #194 on: June 25, 2010, 03:46:28 AM »
Bwahaha. You're not being dragged into this, Ms. Cujo. You're in fact being dragged out of it, my statement being that your perfectly innocuous statement was grossly misintepreted, nay, misappropriated, to serve a stupid observation.

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« Reply #195 on: June 25, 2010, 03:47:38 AM »
Kaluuy pood nimo, Ma'am. Adto sa cabinet and grab a Tylenol.

thanks.  but ever since tylenol was contaminated in the u.s. that resulted to some deaths, i've avoided this over-the-counter medicine.  so how are you?  would a neurobion do you good?   

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« Reply #196 on: June 25, 2010, 03:55:07 AM »
Ma'am,

That was the only reason for my post was to provide the historical reasoning of the term Judea and Palestine. Nothing more, nothing less.
As it provides a historical tid bit of information for both sides (pro and contra). So far, it has worked. Of course, in light of this discussion.

Is peace possible between Israel and Palestine?

I would have to say that it seems quite dim, however, for those who are interested in the subject, to properly understand the reasons for the difficulties in the peace processes, one has to have an understanding in the historical premises of both sides and their arguments.

Lest we are left to ignorance in the matter.

Is peace possible?
We leave that to people to decide. However, its good to know the history of something before one decides.


now you say you “provide”.  in your earlier posts, you stated that “your inference was to remind” me.  later, you wanted “to clarify”.  i can hardly wait for you to want to exorcise.
 
too bad, we cannot decide on peace in those lands by merely knowing the historical background.  we can draw our own conclusions about the possibility of peace.  but decide?  who are we?

the best lesson for this discussion though is never to presume ignorance in other people.  about time you let this work for you.



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« Reply #197 on: June 25, 2010, 03:56:40 AM »
thanks.  but ever since tylenol was contaminated in the u.s. that resulted to some deaths, i've avoided this over-the-counter medicine.  so how are you?  would a neurobion do you good?   

Kamusta man ka ma'am? How's everything? For me, okay lang (can't complain), getting read for my vacation to Philippines. :)
I'm leaving in a week and couple days so just organizing things, and at same time, spending time with my brothers (just recently went with my younger brother to get his driver's permit--and my other younger brother,--been spending time with them.

In regards to tylenol, if you don't want the american-brand, im sure you can find the generic brand in the philippines or in the nation you are staying. Contraindicated baya ning tylenol for patients with gastric ulcuers (so if you have that, then dont take it).

Neurobion is (if i recollect properly) for vitamin deficient peoples as its an synergist of Vitamins B1,6, 12. This is good for patients who have a history of anemia (megaloblastic, pernicious). If you're taking neurobion for a deficiency, id suggest you take also multivitamin tablets that covers the whole spectrum.

In regards to treating your headache, the 1st line therapy is usually aspirin (contraindicated in young kids), or NSAIDS.

But one could also take alternative treatment such as a massage.





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« Reply #198 on: June 25, 2010, 03:57:50 AM »
now you say you “provide”.  in your earlier posts, you stated that “your inference was to remind” me.  later, you wanted “to clarify”.  i can hardly wait for you to want to exorcise.
 
too bad, we cannot decide on peace in those lands by merely knowing the historical background.  we can draw our own conclusions about the possibility of peace.  but decide?  who are we?

the best lesson for this discussion though is never to presume ignorance in other people.  about time you let this work for you.



I never presumed ignorance on anyone, merely sharing a point of view and a historical analysis. Simple truth.
How one takes the message and interprets it is their own choosing.

I defend my point tho, Ma'am.

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