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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2010, 03:15:10 AM »
so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

It was a mere historical inference, my dear Fraulein (or Frau), which gives precedence to the Hebrew claim. Judea was settled by the Jews, and trade with them was the basis for Roman interaction in the region. A simple inference for all to note. 

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2010, 03:16:17 AM »
i mentioned other empires in the context of your claim that empires that tried to exterminate the jews had collapsed.  empires collapse, as they all must, whether they try to exterminate jews or not.   

i claimed nothing of the sort that all empires had something to do with the jews.  rather, my point was the collapse of empires is way off the current israeli-palestinian issue. 

and now your lecture is expanding to what happened to those other empires.  o, lorenzo, hilfe!  how would you feel if you’re talking about how fine the weather is and someone answers with the details of the mortgage on his latest sailboat acquisition?         

you either cannot get it or you simply refuse to get it.  the former is a product of a short-circuited intellect, the latter of being too full of oneself. 

i appreciate your stamina, though.  goodnight.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2010, 03:20:15 AM »
granted then that we're not OT, put another way, does it mean that for peace between israel and palestine, "the philistines need to go back to crete" because palestine was a roman impression on the near east? 





All peoples come from different regions, the Philistines came from Crete while Abraham and his followers originally came from the land of Ur (present day Iraq).

Do I believe that Israelis and Palestinians should live in harmony? Sure, they all have the right to live in peace.
But do I believe it will happen? No. There are too many factors that will prevent the two from having peace.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2010, 03:21:36 AM »
as sure as one plus one equals two.  and as far as i know, crete is only one of the many places of origin of philistines.  you yourself mentioned arabs as migrants to palestine too in another post of yours.

The only reason why I stated this was because Ms States mentioned Crete, and you tried to undermine her that they (Philistines) were Greek-speaking people; when in reality, Crete itself was under the Greek League. Hellenistic culture is quite vibrant in Crete. :)

Just making a point.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2010, 03:24:19 AM »
usa lang ang solution dihang lugara, i-take over ng UN ang pang governo diha.

hehehe, it was the UN that recognized the Jewish State, following the standards of the Balfour Declaration (or as what anti-Semites would deem it as~ Zionist Expansionism).

It was the UN and the west that did not consider the peoples that lived in present-day Palestine and nullified their sense of nationhood and independence by giving autonomy to Palestine under the banner of Israel. Resolution 181 declared that there would be two nations: Israel and Palestine, however, had wars that led to the concession of Palestinian-controlled lands till their zone of control was West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Who is to blame for the current situation? Well one has to understand that since after WWII and an estimated 6-12 million European Jews were exterminated in German concentration camps, the western powers felt it necessary to establish a Jewish state for the Jews, what better location than Palestine (their ancestral home); tho other plans suggested resettling Jews in other parts of North Africa and in the interior.

Is Israel to be blamed? Good question, indeed.

Let's talk about it.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2010, 04:55:35 AM »
The only reason why I stated this was because Ms States mentioned Crete, and you tried to undermine her that they (Philistines) were Greek-speaking people; when in reality, Crete itself was under the Greek League. Hellenistic culture is quite vibrant in Crete. :)

Just making a point.

Very well said Lorenzo, I felt like a student again sitting in a classroom
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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2010, 05:00:29 AM »
Ms. States, this is off the topic, but I like reading your posts because they are filled with wisdom and prudence. Your explanation and posts on matters of biblical truth or medicine is 'to the dot' precise. Thank you, and I am honored to even discuss and share insights with you.

Thanks Ma'am.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2010, 07:51:04 AM »

nindot raman nang lecture basta sex education sus mag banganga jud ko ana pero aside ana, pwera nalanng!! mag gamit na laman ko ug EARPLUGS! hahahhah!

Bwahaha! Seguroa nga dili matangtang imong earplugs, Ms, MDB! Nakamatikod ko nga a few hours ago wa ka kataod og earplugs mao nga morag hapit na mobuto imong butsi!  ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2010, 08:03:05 AM »
aha!  bistado nga wa diay maka-recess kay naminaw sa social studies!  bistado sad ang edad kay social studies pa, di sibika. ;D

 :o - nawong nako nga naugtas

p.s.  naa koy keffiyeh ug keyholder with a palestinian flag design as keepsakes from a palestinian i met who does not even have a passport because he is stateless.    the way things are now, a historical wrong is being righted by another wrong.  magubot lang baya ning katawhan kon naay mamintaha.
 

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2010, 08:07:19 AM »
obviously in the sense that we are all human beings (hopefully, anyway). 

Matawag bag human being ang Neanderthal, Ms. Isle? Bwahaha! ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2010, 08:10:40 AM »
way lana nga gi dihog sa akong gisulti....labi na pod nga way kaguran nga gihapak...hehehe
tinuod to ms isles.. >:(

He he, ang akong namatikdan diri kay ang lanahan kadto mang mga mantikaon nang daan og panagway... ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2010, 08:17:57 AM »
as in everything else in our discussion, i'm shocked and awed by this indigestible mishmash of information so generously given but has nothing to do with the topic.

This quote will explain why:

"Showing off is the fool's idea of glory." --Bruce Lee

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« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2010, 09:08:03 AM »
so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

It is because of Hadrian's policy that the world referred to Judea as 'Palestine' for almost 2 millennia; the original inhabitants were not Arabs, but Hebrews who were eventually scattered (hence the Jewish Diaspora). Which goes back to your lecture to Ms. States, which I found rather erroneous. So I added a bit of history for all of us to take into consideration. Since antiquity, this region in the world was known as Yehudah ( from The tribe of Judah).




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #93 on: June 19, 2010, 02:10:27 PM »
It was a mere historical inference, my dear Fraulein (or Frau), which gives precedence to the Hebrew claim. Judea was settled by the Jews, and trade with them was the basis for Roman interaction in the region. A simple inference for all to note. 

and a long shot inference at that, which no one will probably care about, much less be noted by all.  it does not answer the question.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2010, 02:16:08 PM »
Sure, im glad you could keep up. :)
Auf wiedersehen!

to be honest, i can’t keep up.  i go for wit, that’s why, not mental masturbation nor all sound and fury signifying nothing.  but i have the patience for trying to decipher words like ceasure and raize, which i feel are your latest inventions.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2010, 04:05:00 PM »
All peoples come from different regions, the Philistines came from Crete while Abraham and his followers originally came from the land of Ur (present day Iraq).

Do I believe that Israelis and Palestinians should live in harmony? Sure, they all have the right to live in peace.
But do I believe it will happen? No. There are too many factors that will prevent the two from having peace.


boy, are we agreed.  it’s just that philistines didn’t only come from crete, which was what i meant by my ‘answer’ to states. 

The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt  by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat).  In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts. (palestinefacts.org/pf)

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2010, 04:17:47 PM »
The only reason why I stated this was because Ms States mentioned Crete, and you tried to undermine her that they (Philistines) were Greek-speaking people; when in reality, Crete itself was under the Greek League. Hellenistic culture is quite vibrant in Crete. :)

Just making a point.

with apologies to states, i did not undermine her nor try to undermine her.  to undermine is “to weaken, damage or demoralize”.  surely you know that.  nor did i claim that the philistines were not greek-speaking people.  will you please read other people’s posts well first before looking at your beard and deciding that its color is blond?

my “lecture” to states was only because of the impossibility of having philistines go back to crete (and not all of them came from crete), and why, because it’s like saying that white americans need to go back to europe where they came from.  too bad your bit of history that includes mention of hellenistic culture in crete did not help any.  unsa man tawoy labot sa uling sa valencia, dong, sa ihid nga iring sa dimiao?
 
disagreeing is not undermining.   but what a childish game you play, baby boy.  you seem to try to take other people’s side and praise them to gain their own praises for you or, when that proves impossible, sometimes go as far as deleting posts that didn’t agree with yours.  it’s pathetic, because this forum can make us all friends, in cyberspace at least, even if we disagree on some things.
 
you don’t have to grovel to anyone and in the process risk strewing carelessly and needlessly the facts you've read.

you are an earnest young man, no doubt.  a few more years and more realistic experiences of life’s ups and downs perhaps can tame your loose missile (or firecracker) of an intellect.




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #97 on: June 19, 2010, 04:58:13 PM »
It is because of Hadrian's policy that the world referred to Judea as 'Palestine' for almost 2 millennia; the original inhabitants were not Arabs, but Hebrews who were eventually scattered (hence the Jewish Diaspora). Which goes back to your lecture to Ms. States, which I found rather erroneous. So I added a bit of history for all of us to take into consideration. Since antiquity, this region in the world was known as Yehudah ( from The tribe of Judah).


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let me try to follow the thread of your logic.

so the original inhabitants were hebrews and not arabs, as you say in your post?  (quoted thus)

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?  what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews? 

my, everybody there, after all, was an immigrant, though it seems to you that some immigrants are more original than others and thus have more right to the place.  ugh.  let that be said about 5th generation fil-ams, your own generation notwithstanding.  it’s called discrimination, right? 

if my “lecture” to states was erroneous, you may write to historians about how misleading their book entries were.  it looks like you know more than they do.

here’s that “erroneous” post (post #7).  tell me what's in it to undermine states with.

sorry, statesville, but i beg to disagree with this statement (not necessarily with you).  one group of the so-called philistines did come from crete, at around 1190BC; most of these groups of philistines are of mediterranean and greek origin. 

the current palestinians are descendants of abraham as the israelis--- a more apt and current term instead of 'jews'--- are descendants of the same patriarch.  (that makes israelis and palestinians blood relatives in the strict sense of the word.)

lineage aside, if we say that these 'philistines' need to go back to crete (it's not a country but a mediterranean island that is part of greece), they who have settled in gaza for more than a thousand years before christ, surely you will find it unthinkable if present americans (the whites, for purposes of this discussion) are deemed to need to go back to their countries of origin in europe because america belongs to native americans.  unthinkable, right?  to think that white americans started settling in the new world only in the 1500s after christ while the 'philistines' settled in the currently named palestine for more than a millennium before christ.

of note in these current times is that palestinians hold titles to the land and their houses that are bulldozed to make way for israeli settlements.  any country will go to war if this is done to its people.” 

 
p.s. when you say “since antiquity…”, in essence it means “from ancient times until now…”.  unfortunately, nowadays there’s no such place named yehudah.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #98 on: June 19, 2010, 05:05:42 PM »
lorenzo, baby boy,

may I repeat some questions of mine which you, in your omniscience, perhaps failed to see and which, unfortunately, your posts failed to enlighten amid all its garbling:

by reminding me that the term palestine was a “roman impression and not original”, did you mean to say that the palestinian nation does not exist or does not deserve to exist at all?

states’ statement was that 'philistines need to go back to crete'.  is this exactly what you gave credence to with your little inference?  as i have earlier said, that statement is like saying that white americans should go back to europe because they came from there.   

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?

what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews?

so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

n.b.  these questions are a result of your posts.

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« Reply #99 on: June 19, 2010, 05:16:34 PM »
Very well said Lorenzo, I felt like a student again sitting in a classroom
   listening to  a brilliant instructor, you are exceptional while keeping
   your composure and stay cool... :D


Ms. States, this is off the topic, but I like reading your posts because they are filled with wisdom and prudence. Your explanation and posts on matters of biblical truth or medicine is 'to the dot' precise. Thank you, and I am honored to even discuss and share insights with you.

Thanks Ma'am.


congratulations, statesville and lorenzo, on your newfound mutual admiration club.  from wisdom to precision to grammar, you are, indeed, one in glory.  may your tribe multiply like the tribes of israel. ;D 
 

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« Reply #100 on: June 19, 2010, 11:59:33 PM »
and a long shot inference at that, which no one will probably care about, much less be noted by all.  it does not answer the question.

it's frau, mein herr.
 



That may be so, but I wanted to clarify the situation. As well, add clarity and precedence to Ms. State's post. All are welcome to read it, not only for you.

Thank you for the correction, mein frau.




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #101 on: June 20, 2010, 12:02:45 AM »
to be honest, i can’t keep up.  i go for wit, that’s why, not mental masturbation nor all sound and fury signifying nothing.  but i have the patience for trying to decipher words like ceasure and raize, which i feel are your latest inventions.

geh mit gott!

I trust you can let go the spelling errors (im not writing an academic essay and is not graded, so therefore, i don't feel the need to spell check, since the main point is being shared) I trust you can accept this, after all, this is a public forum and not a college.

But in the future, I will take into consideration your zeal for grammatical correction. :)


All the best mein Frau.,

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« Reply #102 on: June 20, 2010, 12:06:04 AM »
with apologies to states, i did not undermine her nor try to undermine her.  to undermine is “to weaken, damage or demoralize”.  surely you know that.  nor did i claim that the philistines were not greek-speaking people.  will you please read other people’s posts well first before looking at your beard and deciding that its color is blond?

my “lecture” to states was only because of the impossibility of having philistines go back to crete (and not all of them came from crete), and why, because it’s like saying that white americans need to go back to europe where they came from.  too bad your bit of history that includes mention of hellenistic culture in crete did not help any.  unsa man tawoy labot sa uling sa valencia, dong, sa ihid nga iring sa dimiao?
 
disagreeing is not undermining.   but what a childish game you play, baby boy.  you seem to try to take other people’s side and praise them to gain their own praises for you or, when that proves impossible, sometimes go as far as deleting posts that didn’t agree with yours.  it’s pathetic, because this forum can make us all friends, in cyberspace at least, even if we disagree on some things.
 
you don’t have to grovel to anyone and in the process risk strewing carelessly and needlessly the facts you've read.

you are an earnest young man, no doubt.  a few more years and more realistic experiences of life’s ups and downs perhaps can tame your loose missile (or firecracker) of an intellect.




Aside from your personal anecdotes and personal lecture, the main point of my post was to correct and clarify your original post on the Philistines.
With that said, I thank you for your side comment as well as personal inference that has nothing to do with the subject.
My age has nothing to do with the subject matter, however, I thankfully and graciously take into consideration your point of view.

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« Reply #103 on: June 20, 2010, 12:16:09 AM »
let me try to follow the thread of your logic.

so the original inhabitants were hebrews and not arabs, as you say in your post?  (quoted thus)

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?  what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews? 

my, everybody there, after all, was an immigrant, though it seems to you that some immigrants are more original than others and thus have more right to the place.  ugh.  let that be said about 5th generation fil-ams, your own generation notwithstanding.  it’s called discrimination, right? 

if my “lecture” to states was erroneous, you may write to historians about how misleading their book entries were.  it looks like you know more than they do.

here’s that “erroneous” post (post #7).  tell me what's in it to undermine states with.

sorry, statesville, but i beg to disagree with this statement (not necessarily with you).  one group of the so-called philistines did come from crete, at around 1190BC; most of these groups of philistines are of mediterranean and greek origin. 

the current palestinians are descendants of abraham as the israelis--- a more apt and current term instead of 'jews'--- are descendants of the same patriarch.  (that makes israelis and palestinians blood relatives in the strict sense of the word.)

lineage aside, if we say that these 'philistines' need to go back to crete (it's not a country but a mediterranean island that is part of greece), they who have settled in gaza for more than a thousand years before christ, surely you will find it unthinkable if present americans (the whites, for purposes of this discussion) are deemed to need to go back to their countries of origin in europe because america belongs to native americans.  unthinkable, right?  to think that white americans started settling in the new world only in the 1500s after christ while the 'philistines' settled in the currently named palestine for more than a millennium before christ.

of note in these current times is that palestinians hold titles to the land and their houses that are bulldozed to make way for israeli settlements.  any country will go to war if this is done to its people.” 

 
p.s. when you say “since antiquity…”, in essence it means “from ancient times until now…”.  unfortunately, nowadays there’s no such place named yehudah.

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With ardent apologies, I did not mean to strike your nerve when I used the term erroneous, but rather was a corrective implication on my part. I do not doubt and question your intelligence, for you have shown quite the zeal in meticulous dates as well as grammatical understanding, which leads me to surmise that you have a background in Language Arts and Creative Writing of some sort.

My little inference was merely to add a simple historical input in the reasons why Palestine was called Palestine and not Judea, not in anyways or sorts to mitigate your intelligence, but rather, a sharing of historical tid bit to this beautiful and wonderful discussion.

I do hope you do not mind my doing that, mein Frau.

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« Reply #104 on: June 20, 2010, 12:17:48 AM »
congratulations, statesville and lorenzo, on your newfound mutual admiration club.  from wisdom to precision to grammar, you are, indeed, one in glory.  may your tribe multiply like the tribes of israel. ;D 
 

I admire you as well, mein Frau, for your spirited discussion and debate (not to mention your beautiful mind).

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« Reply #105 on: June 20, 2010, 12:30:36 AM »
lorenzo, baby boy,

may I repeat some questions of mine which you, in your omniscience, perhaps failed to see and which, unfortunately, your posts failed to enlighten amid all its garbling:

by reminding me that the term palestine was a “roman impression and not original”, did you mean to say that the palestinian nation does not exist or does not deserve to exist at all?

states’ statement was that 'philistines need to go back to crete'.  is this exactly what you gave credence to with your little inference?  as i have earlier said, that statement is like saying that white americans should go back to europe because they came from there.   

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?

what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews?

so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

n.b.  these questions are a result of your posts.

regards.

Dearest Frau,

That is the very question that you and I and all the world would like to know the answer to. Can there be peace? When you know the answer, please, share with us.

As for your biblical query on Abraham's movement to Judea, one finds the answer in the Book of Genesis Chapter 12: 1Now(O) the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2(P) And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and(R) in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

His migration to Judea was a direct mandate not of himself, but by God The Father, the importance of which, is the completion of redemption prophesy (I leave that to you and others to accept or believe/ or not).



All the best mein frau,
Lorenzo
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PS. My dearest frau, never have i claimed omniscience nor do i come close to that. The only one who is omniscient is The Lord God. Anyone else is but a speck of dust in time before His Majesty. I am but a simple and common student wanting to learn a little bit of information (with the time we are given), much like yourself and the rest of the world. Please, i dont know why you would think i am omniscient when i am but an average student in all things.
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« Reply #106 on: June 20, 2010, 11:14:08 AM »

That may be so, but I wanted to clarify the situation. As well, add clarity and precedence to Ms. State's post. All are welcome to read it, not only for you.

Thank you for the correction, mein frau.


before you can clarify anything, you should be clear yourself.  you wish to “add clarity and precedence to ms. state’s post”?  do you really understand what “precedence” means?

“all are welcome to read it, not only for you.”  the word “for” should be deleted.

and “mein frau” is wrong twice over.  since “frau” is feminine, it ought to be “meine frau”.  but still it would be wrong, because it means “my wife”.  the correct expression is “meine dame”.
 
oh, lorenzo, as the saying goes, “marami ka pang kakaining bigas”.  please act according to your age, which isn’t much, and accomplishment, which is zilch.  who knows, if you do so you might earn a multitude of real friends.

now i'm doing what you do, correcting people. 

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« Reply #107 on: June 20, 2010, 11:22:28 AM »
I trust you can let go the spelling errors (im not writing an academic essay and is not graded, so therefore, i don't feel the need to spell check, since the main point is being shared) I trust you can accept this, after all, this is a public forum and not a college.

But in the future, I will take into consideration your zeal for grammatical correction. :)


All the best mein Frau.,

i am looking forward to that day. 

when one is careful with simpler things like grammar and spelling, whether it is in university or a forum or the rest room, it may show that one is also careful with everything else, from manners to data and conclusions.  the main point gets garbled if the medium is garbled. 

who cares about grades?  they matter not because we don’t do things as cleanly as we could only because we are graded.  i believe we should not sacrifice quality for speed.


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« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2010, 11:50:35 AM »
Aside from your personal anecdotes and personal lecture, the main point of my post was to correct and clarify your original post on the Philistines.
With that said, I thank you for your side comment as well as personal inference that has nothing to do with the subject.


that’s the very problem of this exchange; you believe you can correct and clarify as if others cannot read or understand what they’re reading.  you could have said that you only wanted to add, not correct and clarify.  the latter confused me because i couldn’t for the life of me get what it was that you wanted to correct and clarify nor get your correction and clarification, on top of your claim that i was undermining ms. states.  

but if you insist, then please take time to distill what you wish to convey so you won’t end up muddling your points.  we’re reading almost the same things anyway.  we (tb members) differ only in understanding and interpretation of what we read and know.  top that with experiences and personal choices or even biases if you may, and truly our discussions have reason for being.  

unfortunately, all my "comments and personal inferences" have something to do with our discussion.

wow, i’m already lecturing, say you.  taking after you?  credit me at least for being a fast learner.



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« Reply #109 on: June 20, 2010, 12:33:03 PM »

My age has nothing to do with the subject matter, however, I thankfully and graciously take into consideration your point of view.

All the best mein Frau.
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age generally has everything to do with most things, from one’s health to this subject matter, the former as a matter of course and the latter in terms of perspectives.  (there are reasons for the minimum age for one to qualify for a driver’s license or to be qualified to vote, right?)   

gaining perspectives, in context, and gaining more knowledge takes time.  and one gains age with time.  (your understanding of your parents’ relationship with each other must be different now than when you were 6 years old, for example.  so it is with one’s understanding of everything else.)

when one is young, one tends to believe that everybody else is less knowledgeable.  mark twain put it thus:   

“When I was a boy of fourteen my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.  But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man has learned in seven years.”

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With ardent apologies, I did not mean to strike your nerve when I used the term erroneous, but rather was a corrective implication on my part. I do not doubt and question your intelligence, for you have shown quite the zeal in meticulous dates as well as grammatical understanding, which leads me to surmise that you have a background in Language Arts and Creative Writing of some sort.

My little inference was merely to add a simple historical input in the reasons why Palestine was called Palestine and not Judea, not in anyways or sorts to mitigate your intelligence, but rather, a sharing of historical tid bit to this beautiful and wonderful discussion.

I do hope you do not mind my doing that, mein Frau.

Danke mein Frau.,
baby boy Lorenzo


ardent apologies ardently accepted. 

one uses the term erroneous because something’s wrong; one uses the term ‘corrective implication’ because there is ‘wrong implication’ somewhere.  i don’t take things personally, though, so you need not be concerned about any nerve of mine being struck by lightning. 

you can doubt my intelligence anytime and it would not increase nor decrease my imbecility.  it is best to separate the person from his mistakes, real or imagined, for objectivity’s sake, such as when it comes to history, right?  i do regard you and everybody else that way in our discussions here at tb.  i expect you to do the same.   

at the latter part of this quoted post of yours, you’re saying you’re adding.  so it’s no longer correcting and clarifying.  now, where did your claim of my undermining ms. states go? 

we’re not here at tb to question anybody’s intelligence, not mine, not yours, or anybody else’s.  we’re discussing where we stand, not our intelligence quotients.

i truly do not mind your doing what you wish to do.  just expect answers, which i hope you wouldn’t mind too.     


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I admire you as well, mein Frau, for your spirited discussion and debate (not to mention your beautiful mind).

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« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2010, 03:10:12 PM »
Dearest Frau,

That is the very question that you and I and all the world would like to know the answer to. Can there be peace? When you know the answer, please, share with us.


which question of mine is this that you refer to as the very question?  my questions, which this quoted post of yours comments on, total 5.  definitely, not one of my questions is on whether there will be peace or not.  

here we go again, i go in one direction, you go the other way.  this is getting impossible.  i'm beginning to feel i'm wasting my time.  

if you cannot answer any of my specific questions, couldn't you just say so?



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« Reply #113 on: June 20, 2010, 03:17:12 PM »
  Naai PEACE ani nila? ambot lang, basin inig puti sa uwak ug di ba
      paatras na ang lupad sa aeroplano!  ;D ;D ;D......who knows?

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« Reply #114 on: June 20, 2010, 03:31:56 PM »
Gawas sa Israel ug Palestine, naa pud koy namatikdan nga nagkasumpaki nga way kalinaw nga mapaabot. Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #115 on: June 20, 2010, 03:37:58 PM »

Will there be peace? Ambot lang. Aniay akong gamayng panghinaot nga mohugpa ang kalinaw...




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« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2010, 03:41:01 PM »

As for your biblical query on Abraham's movement to Judea, one finds the answer in the Book of Genesis Chapter 12: 1Now(O) the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2(P) And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and(R) in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

His migration to Judea was a direct mandate not of himself, but by God The Father, the importance of which, is the completion of redemption prophesy (I leave that to you and others to accept or believe/ or not).


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spare me the bible when my questions are deduced from the claims in your posts. 

or why don’t we just call on our creator to answer everything or make him as the reason for everything?  will there be peace between israel and palestine?  yes/no, because of the grace of god.  will the sun come out tomorrow?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will scarb appear in tb again?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will bugsay use a paddle instead of a kaguran?  no, because of the grace of god. 

will ms da binsi be able to raise again from the dead those trees in guindulman?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will vhinz08 get all his front teeth back?  yes, because of the grace of god.  is lorenzo my relative?  yes, because of the grace of god.  will hubag complete his collection of frog collectibles?  no, because of the grace of god. 

dearest average baby boy, it just won’t do.  if it were so, we wouldn’t have this kind of discussion.  you need not even have started this thread because the answer is the grace of god. 

sure, abraham’s mandate came from god.  but since you’re interested in comparative religion as i am, kindly check out what muslims also believe as their mandate from allah.  for starters, muslims also believe they are descendants of abraham.  (of course, you know that.  you’ve mentioned somewhere about your subject on islamic studies or something where the muslim professor wasn’t able to answer your question.)  and thus we may go back all over again, ad nauseam, to the beginning of this thread.

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PS. My dearest frau, never have i claimed omniscience nor do i come close to that. The only one who is omniscient is The Lord God. Anyone else is but a speck of dust in time before His Majesty. I am but a simple and common student wanting to learn a little bit of information (with the time we are given), much like yourself and the rest of the world. Please, i dont know why you would think i am omniscient when i am but an average student in all things.
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take note that i did not credit you with omnipotence and omnipresence.  my use of the word omniscience here is as a literary device.  i’m not crediting you with divinity, far from it, because if i did so, long before i could punch the letter x on my computer keyboard i would have wilted like the fig trees when the messiah passes by.

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« Reply #119 on: June 20, 2010, 06:14:51 PM »


if you cannot answer any of my specific questions, couldn't you just say so?



He he... ;D

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