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Do you think that peace is possible?

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 05:58:44 PM »
Yes, i'm sure with that, that there will be a peace someday at that place if both of them agreed to quit claiming to reigns at area and they should consider that area as International Community.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 05:25:06 AM »
No, that won't happen
  Gaza belongs to the Jews, the Philistines need to go back
   to their country  in  Crete.


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 09:36:18 PM »

yes, but not in our lifetime.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 10:08:16 PM »
NO! they have been fighting since before bible was written! NEVER!

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 10:26:16 PM »
No, that won't happen
  Gaza belongs to the Jews, the Philistines need to go back
   to their country  in  Crete.


sorry, statesville, but i beg to disagree with this statement (not necessarily with you).  one group of the so-called philistines did come from crete, at around 1190BC; most of these groups of philistines are of mediterranean and greek origin. 

the current palestinians are descendants of abraham as the israelis--- a more apt and current term instead of 'jews'--- are descendants of the same patriarch.  (that makes israelis and palestinians blood relatives in the strict sense of the word.)

lineage aside, if we say that these 'philistines' need to go back to crete (it's not a country but a mediterranean island that is part of greece), they who have settled in gaza for more than a thousand years before christ, surely you will find it unthinkable if present americans (the whites, for purposes of this discussion) are deemed to need to go back to their countries of origin in europe because america belongs to native americans.  unthinkable, right?  to think that white americans started settling in the new world only in the 1500s after christ while the 'philistines' settled in the currently named palestine for more than a millenium before christ.

of note in these current times is that palestinians hold titles to the land and their houses that are bulldozed to make way for israeli settlements.  any country will go to war if this is done to its people.         



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2010, 02:07:54 AM »
Islander, if i may infer:

Prior to the Great Jewish Revolt, present day Israel was known as Judea, it was only after the pacification of many Jewish revolts that the Romans changed the name from Judea to Palestine.

When the Romans exerted their influence in Judea in 63BC, this lead to hostility between the two peoples and would later lead to the Roman pacification of Jewish revolts and thus lead to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70AD. The Jews would later revolt in the 2nd century AD in what is known as the Bar Kokhba uprising, which lead to a prompt and devastating Roman response. The Romans implemented an ancient world version of 'Shock And Awe' by destroying and razing Jerusalem to the ground and pacified the Jews in Judea, thereby forcing the Jewish people in a diaspora. Many of whom were forced to leave for Hispaniola and Central Europe. The Jews in Iberia would later be called Sephardi Jews and the Jews in present day central and eastern europe would be called the Ashkenazi Jews.

Rome, by Imperial Promulgation under the reign of Emperor Hadrian, renamed Judea ("Provincia Judea") into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants). The Byzantines retained the Roman name and modified it to "Palastinia Sultaris"; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.

Prior to the Great Revolt, the Arab presence in Judea was minimal. Hebrews dominated the land, and it was only after Hadrian sent 12 Roman legions (a force of about 60,000 men) to pacify Judea did their presence fall. Rome tried to exterminate the Jews in that savage campaign, as it did with the Carthaginians in their 3 Punic Wars. The difference here is that Rome did erase Carthage from the known world, even as much as pouring salt over Carthage and enslaved its entire population, thereby stamping out the only rival to Roman domination of the Mediterranean World. Rome, however, was not successful in regards to its extermination of the Jews. While Rome did destroy Jerusalem and forced the Hebrews in a global diaspora, the Jews outlived the Roman Empire, and have resettled their original homeland. The descendants of Abraham continue to pray before the wall of the Great Temple, while, the Eagle of Rome has long rusted into oblivion.

Note: all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2010, 10:18:10 PM »
Islander, if i may infer:


lorenzo,

you have, indeed, inferred, in your own usual way.  inference is akin to extrapolation, which in verb form means "to come up with conclusions from known data".  please don't get me wrong, but your inference, i.e., conclusion, is a lecture on history that would have been more enjoyable to read if you bothered to summarize this particular aspect of history from your source (which, I’m prone to believe, is http://www.palestinefacts.org/ pf_early_ palestine_ brief_ history.php).  unfortunately, i find this source biased any way I look at it.  how about getting facts and distilling them from many sources first before jumping to conclusions?  there’s so much data out there from which we could infer, but it should be data from all sides that should interest us.  

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth."  (Harry S. Truman)

 oh, the wikipedia (on the palestinian people) in this instance strikes me as more balanced.  (quite unlike the wikipedia entry on our homegrown iglesia ni cristo which is inherently biased.)  needless to say, for purposes of scholarly research, it would be greatly appreciated if you quote or name your source when you post entries such as these.  

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.  


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2010, 10:32:38 PM »

Prior to the Great Jewish Revolt, present day Israel was known as Judea, it was only after the pacification of many Jewish revolts that the Romans changed the name from Judea to Palestine.


it does not mean that by virtue of the ancient name of the place the ancestors of present-day palestinians were not there.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2010, 10:39:40 PM »

When the Romans exerted their influence in Judea in 63BC, this lead to hostility between the two peoples and would later lead to the Roman pacification of Jewish revolts and thus lead to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70AD. The Jews would later revolt in the 2nd century AD in what is known as the Bar Kokhba uprising, which lead to a prompt and devastating Roman response. The Romans implemented an ancient world version of 'Shock And Awe' by destroying and razing Jerusalem to the ground and pacified the Jews in Judea, thereby forcing the Jewish people in a diaspora. Many of whom were forced to leave for Hispaniola and Central Europe. The Jews in Iberia would later be called Sephardi Jews and the Jews in present day central and eastern europe would be called the Ashkenazi Jews.


as in everything else in our discussion, i'm shocked and awed by this indigestible mishmash of information so generously given but has nothing to do with the topic.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 10:48:05 PM »

Rome, by Imperial Promulgation under the reign of Emperor Hadrian, renamed Judea ("Provincia Judea") into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants).


‘The Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea.  Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel.  At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.  The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived left the devastated country (and established Jewish communities throughout the Middle East) but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land of Israel.  That is, there were always Jews and Jewish communities in Palestine, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly.’   (from Palestine History, http://www.palestinefacts.org/ pf_early_palestine_brief_history.php)

as for the “Arabs who came to settle Judea”, please refer to reply no. 9.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 10:54:42 PM »
absent tingali kos high school pa ko pag discussed ani...
nangabot na man ni'g roman empire....

para nako, mituo pa ko'g milagro...so basin diayg milagrohan ning dapita nga inig mata nilang tanan gikang sa ilang pagkahinanok kalinaw nay maghari.....mao ra pod sa atong pinangga nga Minadanao. ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 11:01:14 PM »

The Byzantines retained the Roman name and modified it to "Palastinia Sultaris"; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.


‘The Greek toponym Palestini (Παλαιστίνη), with which the Arabic Filastin (فلسطين) is cognate, first occurs in the work of the Greek historian Herodotus, active in the middle of the 5th century BCE, where it denotes generally the coastal land from Phoenicia down to Egypt. Herodotus also employs the term as an ethnonym, as when he speaks of the 'Syrians of Palestine' or 'Palestinian-Syrians', an ethnically amorphous group he distinguishes from the Phoenicians referring to the Aramaeic Samaritans led by Sanbalat and appointed by the Persian kings and the Arabs in Jerusalem referred to also by Ezra (the Bible).  The word bears comparison to a congeries of ethnonyms in Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian Plst or flst, Assyrian as Palastu, and the Hebraic as Plishtim, the latter term used in the Bible to signify the Philistines.’ (from Etymology, Palestinian People, Wikipedia)


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 11:38:22 PM »

Prior to the Great Revolt, the Arab presence in Judea was minimal. Hebrews dominated the land, and it was only after Hadrian sent 12 Roman legions (a force of about 60,000 men) to pacify Judea did their presence fall. Rome tried to exterminate the Jews in that savage campaign, as it did with the Carthaginians in their 3 Punic Wars. The difference here is that Rome did erase Carthage from the known world, even as much as pouring salt over Carthage and enslaved its entire population, thereby stamping out the only rival to Roman domination of the Mediterranean World. Rome, however, was not successful in regards to its extermination of the Jews. While Rome did destroy Jerusalem and forced the Hebrews in a global diaspora, the Jews outlived the Roman Empire, and have resettled their original homeland. The descendants of Abraham continue to pray before the wall of the Great Temple, while, the Eagle of Rome has long rusted into oblivion.

Note: all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.


what goes up must come down.  all empires collapse, from the most ancient achaemenid empire to the medieval mongol empire, srivijaya empire, down to the modern british empire, western european empires, aztec empire, and the more recent soviet empire.  the world has known over 200 empires that came and went.  how many of these tried to exterminate the jews? 

i hope this particular note is not inferred from the data you have gathered because, excuse me, the collapse of empires has nothing to do with the current israeli-palestinian issue.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2010, 11:49:39 PM »
absent tingali kos high school pa ko pag discussed ani...
nangabot na man ni'g roman empire....

para nako, mituo pa ko'g milagro...so basin diayg milagrohan ning dapita nga inig mata nilang tanan gikang sa ilang pagkahinanok kalinaw nay maghari.....mao ra pod sa atong pinangga nga Minadanao. ;D

present tingali ka oy.  wa lang ka maminaw kay nagsige ra man kag huwat ug recess. ;D

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 12:11:09 AM »
present tingali ka oy.  wa lang ka maminaw kay nagsige ra man kag huwat ug recess. ;D

mura'g correct gyud ms isles.....lami man sab gud ni'ng recess uy...paborito ni nako.

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 12:35:00 AM »
lorenzo,

you have, indeed, inferred, in your own usual way.  inference is akin to extrapolation, which in verb form means "to come up with conclusions from known data".  please don't get me wrong, but your inference, i.e., conclusion, is a lecture on history that would have been more enjoyable to read if you bothered to summarize this particular aspect of history from your source (which, I’m prone to believe, is http://www.palestinefacts.org/ pf_early_ palestine_ brief_ history.php).  unfortunately, i find this source biased any way I look at it.  how about getting facts and distilling them from many sources first before jumping to conclusions?  there’s so much data out there from which we could infer, but it should be data from all sides that should interest us. 

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth."  (Harry S. Truman)

 oh, the wikipedia (on the palestinian people) in this instance strikes me as more balanced.  (quite unlike the wikipedia entry on our homegrown iglesia ni cristo which is inherently biased.)  needless to say, for purposes of scholarly research, it would be greatly appreciated if you quote or name your source when you post entries such as these. 

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.   


We're not veering from the topic, rather, my little inference was just to remind you that Palestine was not the original. The term Palestine was a foreign (Roman, to be exact) impression on the near east. So it gives credence to States' statement.

And as far as I know, Crete was ruled by the Greeks. That island was ruled by the ancient Minoans (Mycenaean), who were Greek-speaking people. The island was (and is)  linked to the mainland Greek-city states (Greek League). So could have the Philistines been from Crete? Sure, since Crete was part of the Greek League, and since the Philistines were Greek-speaking people.
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resource:
http://www.ancient-greece.org/history/minoan.html

http://www.ancient-greece.org/





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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 12:43:19 AM »
it does not mean that by virtue of the ancient name of the place the ancestors of present-day palestinians were not there.

‘Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group are closely related to Jews and represent modern descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,  largely predating the Arabian Muslim conquest that resulted in their acculturation, established Arabic as the predominant vernacular, and over time also Islamized many of them from various prior faiths.’  (from Palestinian People, Wikipedia)


Genetic results can also conclude that all human beings share 99.99% of the same homeobox. :)

The Arabs were an ethnic group that originally came from the Arab peninsula and expanded throughout the region as traders, herders and nomads. The forced explusion of the Hebrews and the subsequent raizing of Jerusalem to the ground created a void in the region; and the region was resettled by non-Hebrews.

The term Palestine is in itself vague because the term was coined by Roman promulgation in order to erase the Jewish presence or knowledge thereof from the histories. The entire region of Provincia Judea was renamed to Syria Palestinia after the 2nd Great Jewish Revolt after the Romans sent 12 legions to Judea to raize Jerusalem to the ground and to pacify the revolt (more like a genocide).

The term 'Palestine' is a foreign coinage, Roman to be exact. Byzantium retained the Roman standard and altered Syria Palaestinia to ~ Palaestinia Sultaris. When the Ottoman Turks took control of the region, they called it Falastin (retaining the Roman standard). And when Britain took control of the region after the defeat of the Ottoman Turks in 1918, renamed it as Palestine.

Thus, retaining the Roman standard.




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 12:47:31 AM »
My answer to this question:

I don't think there will ever be peace in the near east.

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 01:02:03 AM »
Note: When Hadrian ordered the razing of Jerusalem to the ground, he also ordered the renaming of Provincia Judea to Provincia Syria Palestinia; in honor of the enemy of the Jews, the Philistines. One has to understand that the basis for this renaming was that the Jews earned the enmity of Rome with their revolts and uprisings. Hadrian was adamant about his decision and sent 12 Roman Legions to quell the rebellion.



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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 01:19:07 AM »
what goes up must come down.  all empires collapse, from the most ancient achaemenid empire to the medieval mongol empire, srivijaya empire, down to the modern british empire, western european empires, aztec empire, and the more recent soviet empire.  the world has known over 200 empires that came and went.  how many of these tried to exterminate the jews? 

i hope this particular note is not inferred from the data you have gathered because, excuse me, the collapse of empires has nothing to do with the current israeli-palestinian issue.



The Ottoman Turks that used to govern what is now present day Israel (Palestine) conceded it to the British Empire after the ceasure of the 1st World War. The British would be influential in the development of the Israeli State.

The collapse of the the Roman Empire led to the rise of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman), which then collapsed to the Ottoman Turks (which expanded throughout southern and eastern europe for a good 4-5 centuries); before itself collapsing after the Young Turk Revolution and the ending of the 1st World War.

Additionally, i stated that all nations/ empires that tried to exterminate the Jews all collapsed. Your mentioning of the Azteca (mesoamerican), Srivijayan (south east asian) etc has no basis in this since these civilizations had no contact with the Jewish people or implemented a policy of wiping out a large Jewish population.

Azteca was overwhelmed by the Spanish (offspring of the Roman) Empire; while Srivijaya , a major sea-faring empire, was silenced by the Singhasari  and later the Majapahit Empire.



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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2010, 08:37:41 AM »
mura'g correct gyud ms isles.....lami man sab gud ni'ng recess uy...paborito ni nako.

He he, buhatan kaha natog recess ning boring lesson diri, Bay Bugs... ;D

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2010, 08:40:35 AM »

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.  


Basta maghisgot na ganig delete-delete, mora jud kog gitikon... which leads me to wonder, can there indeed ever be peace between Israel and Palestine?  Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2010, 08:45:17 AM »
He he, buhatan kaha natog recess ning boring lesson diri, Bay Bugs... ;D


hehehe..paborito man gud nako to'ng galanggalang ug puto'ng balanghoy sa una...
ug wa ning duha...adto mag suyop sa bakilid... ;D

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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2010, 08:45:56 AM »
absent tingali kos high school pa ko pag discussed ani...
nangabot na man ni'g roman empire....


He he, basin kon laayan kas leksyon, Bay Bugs, moadto kas likod sa eskwelahan unya adto ka pungko kilid sa pond maghuwat sa recess... ;D

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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2010, 08:50:23 AM »
He he, basin kon laayan kas leksyon, Bay Bugs, moadto kas likod sa eskwelahan unya adto ka pungko kilid sa pond maghuwat sa recess... ;D

hehehe....naay fishpond bitaw sa elementary...pero last na sa among time nga gibutangan ug fry......karon nahimo nang "frog pond" ;D

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 08:52:42 AM »

hehehe..paborito man gud nako to'ng galanggalang ug puto'ng balanghoy sa una...
ug wa ning duha...adto mag suyop sa bakilid... ;D

Bitaw, Bay Bugs, kalami sa putong balanghoy
Labi na kon maoy bawon sa bagdoy-bagdoy,
Kon tua pa ni sa Tunga-Tungang Sidlakan
Di unta magkagubot ang mga kanahan.

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 08:56:43 AM »
hehehe....naay fishpond bitaw sa elementary...pero last na sa among time nga gibutangan ug fry......karon nahimo nang "frog pond" ;D

Hala! Nindot ra ba tan-awon ang mga pito-pito nga hinay-hinay tuboan og tiil! Kaniadto mao jud nay akong kalingawan first thing in the morning--tandaon ang mga pito-pito. Cute kon gagmay pa, pero kon dagko na, karamba! As some specimens would croak to us... ;D

Dili man tingali pud magkasinabot ang fry ug tadpoles--much like Israel and Palestine...;D

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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 08:57:26 AM »
Bitaw, Bay Bugs, kalami sa putong balanghoy
Labi na kon maoy bawon sa bagdoy-bagdoy,
Kon tua pa ni sa Tunga-Tungang Sidlakan
Di unta magkagubot ang mga kanahan.

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unsa man sa'y ilang putohon didto
ang bonbon sa desyerto
ang mga tawo didto way laing trabaho
sige'g hapyod sa ilang armas de fuego. ;D

ang kalinaw? idlas pa's manatad.. ;D
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2010, 09:03:44 AM »

unsa man sa'y ilang putohon didto
ang bonbon sa desyerto
ang mga tawo didto way laing trabaho
sige'g hapyod sa ilang armas de fuego. ;D

ang kalinaw? idlas pa's manatad.. ;D
or, dangngog pas halwan



Bitaw, ang kalinaw didto idlas pas manatad
Bisag unsa pang peace intiative nga ilusad.
Madungog didto paka-paka ug buto-buto
Dili ang panaghoy sa baki ug pito-pito.

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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2010, 09:05:57 AM »
Hala! Nindot ra ba tan-awon ang mga pito-pito nga hinay-hinay tuboan og tiil! Kaniadto mao jud nay akong kalingawan first thing in the morning--tandaon ang mga pito-pito. Cute kon gagmay pa, pero kon dagko na, karamba! As some specimens would croak to us... ;D

Dili man tingali pud magkasinabot ang fry ug tadpoles--much like Israel and Palestine...;D

mao ba? nindot bitaw ug cute ning mga tadpoles....duwa-an man namo sa una...isulod sa botelya.

ang fry pod bai Hubs, sa grade six pa ko kusog ko manahid ani....ibaligya kay daghan kaayong mopalit...mao lagi kon magdugay pod kag humol sa dagat maka danlak...ahak.. ;D

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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2010, 09:16:44 AM »
mao ba? nindot bitaw ug cute ning mga tadpoles....duwa-an man namo sa una...isulod sa botelya.

ang fry pod bai Hubs, sa grade six pa ko kusog ko manahid ani....ibaligya kay daghan kaayong mopalit...mao lagi kon magdugay pod kag humol sa dagat maka danlak...ahak.. ;D

Makadanlak diay nang sigig humol sa dagat? Abi nakog salted eggs ang resulta, bwahaha!

Unsa kaha kon adto permi maghumol sa Dead Sea, nga arang parata man. Hmm. Dili kaha danlakon ang mga tawo nga nagpuyo didto? Dili kaha ang danlak usa sa mga katalagman nga magtukmod sa tawo ngadto sa pagkapalaaway? Dili kaha ang danlak maoy hinungdan sa kagubot nga maoy lintunganay sa kukabildo dinhi?

Kini maoy mga pangutana alang sa mga baggiitang tinun-an sa kasaysayan sa Tunga-Tungang Silangan... ;D

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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2010, 09:21:24 AM »
Makadanlak diay nang sigig humol sa dagat? Abi nakog salted eggs ang resulta, bwahaha!

Unsa kaha kon adto permi maghumol sa Dead Sea, nga arang parata man. Hmm. Dili kaha danlakon ang mga tawo nga nagpuyo didto? Dili kaha ang danlak usa sa mga katalagman nga magtukmod sa tawo ngadto sa pagkapalaaway? Dili kaha ang danlak maoy hinungdan sa kagubot nga maoy lintunganay sa kukabildo dinhi?

Kini maoy mga pangutana alang sa mga baggiitang tinun-an sa kasaysayan sa Tunga-Tungang Silangan... ;D

dili seguro maka danlak ang red sea kay molutaw ra man ka...so dili permi mahumol ang itlog....hehehe
ug mauhon ni...pakapangutana pod ta'g danlakon ba pod ang baki kay nagsige ma'g humol? ;D

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2010, 09:28:42 AM »
dili seguro maka danlak ang red sea kay molutaw ra man ka...so dili permi mahumol ang itlog....hehehe
ug mauhon ni...pakapangutana pod ta'g danlakon ba pod ang baki kay nagsige ma'g humol? ;D

Bwahaha! Oh my beloved froggy!

Pero, he he, simple ra ang tubag, Bay Bugs. Dili danlakon ang baki kay ang baki wa may itlog...

By the way, bisan tuod mainly dry ang Middle East, daghang baki didto... ;D

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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2010, 09:30:50 AM »
Bwahaha! Oh my beloved froggy!

Pero, he he, simple ra ang tubag, Bay Bugs. Dili danlakon ang baki kay ang baki wa may itlog...

By the way, bisan tuod mainly dry ang Middle East, daghang baki didto... ;D


naa sad diay baki sa desyerto???  huy naa may itlog ang baki pero gitagu-an para di ma klaro labina ug mag swimsuit! hahahahahaha!

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naa sad diay baki sa desyerto???  huy naa may itlog ang baki pero gitagu-an para di ma klaro labina ug mag swimsuit! hahahahahaha!

hehehe...ang baki sa atua akong gipasabot ug danlakan ba pod kay sige man humol.....
atot, baki nga nag swimsuit...maka provide ba kaha'g hulagway akong migo Hubs ana?

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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2010, 09:40:34 AM »

naa sad diay baki sa desyerto???  huy naa may itlog ang baki pero gitagu-an para di ma klaro labina ug mag swimsuit! hahahahahaha!

Aw di jud hinuon kon maohon...



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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2010, 09:42:33 AM »
Aw di jud hinuon kon maohon...



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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2010, 09:45:53 AM »
hehehe...ang baki sa atua akong gipasabot ug danlakan ba pod kay sige man humol.....
atot, baki nga nag swimsuit...maka provide ba kaha'g hulagway akong migo Hubs ana?

nagpaabot,
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He he, dia ra diay ang partner...



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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...naa man dayon!! ;D

He he, basta baki ang hisgotan... Crua-crua! ;D

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He he, dia ra diay ang partner...



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classmate ni sila? bwahahahhaha

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« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2010, 09:48:59 AM »
murag daghan man tingale pa ka'g gi reserved diha?

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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2010, 09:51:07 AM »
murag daghan man tingale pa ka'g gi reserved diha?

Naay daghang andam. Labi na tong mga panahon nga dili ko kasulod sa website. Nag-ipon ko. Stockpiling of weapons, sama sa gibuhat sa antagonists sa Middle East... ;D

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classmate ni sila? bwahahahhaha

Bwahaha! Patay kang Ms. Isle... ;D

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Naay daghang andam. Labi na tong mga panahon nga dili ko kasulod sa website. Nag-ipon ko. Stockpiling of weapons, sama sa gibuhat sa antagonists sa Middle East... ;D

bitaw, balik tas topic...sa imong kabahin naa pakahay kalinaw?
uns akahay hinungdan nga mura man ni silag iring ug iro?

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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2010, 09:56:07 AM »
Bwahaha! Patay kang Ms. Isle... ;D

bwhahahaha..atot uy, nganong naapil na man si ms isles ani?
hadlok ra ba ko ato kay isog ug taas ang tango....
pero ganahan kong mobasa sa iyang mga punto...
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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2010, 10:00:09 AM »
bitaw, balik tas topic...sa imong kabahin naa pakahay kalinaw?
uns akahay hinungdan nga mura man ni silag iring ug iro?

Not impossible, but highly improbable.

Pero dili na lang ko moantog bahin sa hinungdan kay basin mabungol na pud tas lecture, bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2010, 10:00:10 AM »
dili mangud mo inum ug vino ning mga muslim arabs mao nga lisud estoryahon. No in our lifetime!

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« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2010, 10:03:07 AM »
bwhahahaha..atot uy, nganong naapil na man si ms isles ani?
hadlok ra ba ko ato kay isog ug taas ang tango....
pero ganahan kong mobasa sa iyang mga punto...
labi na'g mauy molatos, mobunal, mobangag, mowitik ug molapdos....hehehe...malingaw ko ;D

He he, si Ms. Isle ra man gud ang nilahutay og tubay sa diskusyon diri...

Bitaw, lisod kon molapdos, labi na kon tinadtarang kaguran ang gamiton! Bwahaha! ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2010, 10:07:42 AM »
Not impossible, but highly improbable.

Pero dili na lang ko moantog bahin sa hinungdan kay basin mabungol na pud tas lecture, bwahaha! ;D

bwhahahahaha......lihay pas halwan ay....



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2010, 10:28:13 AM »
dili mangud mo inum ug vino ning mga muslim arabs mao nga lisud estoryahon. No in our lifetime!


dili bitaw na sila mo inom kay HASHISH ra na ilaha. ang mga first class pa jud gikan sa ilang field!   hahaha!;D

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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2010, 10:29:35 AM »
Not impossible, but highly improbable.

Pero dili na lang ko moantog bahin sa hinungdan kay basin mabungol na pud tas lecture, bwahaha! ;D


nindot raman nang lecture basta sex education sus mag banganga jud ko ana pero aside ana, pwera nalanng!! mag gamit na laman ko ug EARPLUGS! hahahhah!

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« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2010, 10:41:24 AM »

nindot raman nang lecture basta sex education sus mag banganga jud ko ana pero aside ana, pwera nalanng!! mag gamit na laman ko ug EARPLUGS! hahahhah!

He he, bitaw, kon gusto kong makat-on ani nga subject, mangita na lang kog source nga kasaligan ang logic unya limpyo ang grammar ug spelling! ;D

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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2010, 10:36:20 PM »
bwhahahaha..atot uy, nganong naapil na man si ms isles ani?
hadlok ra ba ko ato kay isog ug taas ang tango....
pero ganahan kong mobasa sa iyang mga punto...
labi na'g mauy molatos, mobunal, mobangag, mowitik ug molapdos....hehehe...malingaw ko ;D

ms isles is sweet (ako na).  salamat nga malingaw diay ka, bai bugs. 

p.s. apila nga mamaak, manutho, ug manipnga sad ko kun magkalisod.   

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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2010, 10:47:09 PM »
He he, si Ms. Isle ra man gud ang nilahutay og tubay sa diskusyon diri...

Bitaw, lisod kon molapdos, labi na kon tinadtarang kaguran ang gamiton! Bwahaha! ;D

my fault.  nasujop nga wa kabantay.  kapoy sad baya ning magpalupad ta ug kaguran.

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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2010, 10:48:45 PM »
ms isles is sweet (ako na).  salamat nga malingaw diay ka, bai bugs. 

p.s. apila nga mamaak, manutho, ug manipnga sad ko kun magkalisod.   

way lana nga gi dihog sa akong gisulti....labi na pod nga way kaguran nga gihapak...hehehe
tinuod to ms isles.. >:(

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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2010, 10:50:11 PM »

nindot raman nang lecture basta sex education sus mag banganga jud ko ana pero aside ana, pwera nalanng!! mag gamit na laman ko ug EARPLUGS! hahahhah!

attagirl!  maayo ka pa, earplugs ray solution.  ako mantinir na lang intawon ug bungog.

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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2010, 10:57:42 PM »
way lana nga gi dihog sa akong gisulti....labi na pod nga way kaguran nga gihapak...hehehe
tinuod to ms isles.. >:(

hehe, nituo ko, bai bugs, kay tanang lana akong gihakop karong panahona, morag si bai hubs nga nag-stockpile ug mga hulagway sa inyong paboritong mascot. 

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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2010, 11:02:52 PM »
hehe, nituo ko, bai bugs, kay tanang lana akong gihakop karong panahona, morag si bai hubs nga nag-stockpile ug mga hulagway sa inyong paboritong mascot. 

bwahahahahaha...
 bilib bitaw ko'ng bai Hubag, unahan gani nimog hisgot sa iyang paboritong super-cute animal, moingon dayon "dia ra ay!"...hehehe ;D

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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2010, 11:47:33 PM »
bitaw, balik tas topic...sa imong kabahin naa pakahay kalinaw?
uns akahay hinungdan nga mura man ni silag iring ug iro?

magpatuga na lang kog tubag nimo bai bugs, ha?  sige lang god ug di ako ang imong gipangutana... ari na lang ko sa sayon istoryahan kay sa bungbong nga bungol pa sa baki nga nalumos.

a hypothetical situation:

ikaw, bugsay, kaliwat ug immigrants sa amerika.  naningkamot, niasenso, nakapalit ug yuta, balay, uma, kompleto ang titulo sa tanan, apil pa ang kabilin sa imong lolo nga nag-una nimo.

ako, islander, kaliwat ug amerikano nga nilayas sa amerika kaniadto kay gitaboy, gidaogdaog.  gidaogdaog pa gyod ug samot sa mga nasod diin ako nahidagsa.  pero kuwartahan ko ug daghan pa gyod ang malooy nako kay nakonsensya sa unsay akong gidangatan.

ako, nibalik sa amerika kay amerikana lagi gyod ko ug gikapoy na gyod tawon ko ug laroylaroy nga way nasod nga matawag nga akoa.

ikaw, nga nakaturok na sa amerika gipapadaplin sigon sa akong mando.  gi-backhoe imong balay, ang imong yuta akong gibalayan, ako ang nagbuot kon asa ra ka dapit makapuyo, di ka makaadto sa imong uma kon di ka mangayo ug permiso nako.

ako, mobuhat aning tanan kay naay neighborhood bully nga andam nga motabang nako kanunay.  ngano?  kay nakatabang ug dako ang akong kaparyentihan sa iyang pag-asenso.

di na importante ang mga detalye, sama sa mga iro sa akong silingan nga ginganlan ug hadrian, nero, ug caligula.

na, hala, ingnon na lang nato nga ikaw bugsay maoy palestinian ug ako islander maoy israeli.  guerra patani gyod ta, mangamungi kon mangamungi.


p.s.  mahimo sad ug ani nga thread nga ako ang iring ug si baby boy lorenzo ang iro, or vice versa.
   




 

   

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« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2010, 12:12:02 AM »
magpatuga na lang kog tubag nimo bai bugs, ha?  sige lang god ug di ako ang imong gipangutana... ari na lang ko sa sayon istoryahan kay sa bungbong nga bungol pa sa baki nga nalumos.

a hypothetical situation:

ikaw, bugsay, kaliwat ug immigrants sa amerika.  naningkamot, niasenso, nakapalit ug yuta, balay, uma, kompleto ang titulo sa tanan, apil pa ang kabilin sa imong lolo nga nag-una nimo.

ako, islander, kaliwat ug amerikano nga nilayas sa amerika kaniadto kay gitaboy, gidaogdaog.  gidaogdaog pa gyod ug samot sa mga nasod diin ako nahidagsa.  pero kuwartahan ko ug daghan pa gyod ang malooy nako kay nakonsensya sa unsay akong gidangatan.

ako, nibalik sa amerika kay amerikana lagi gyod ko ug gikapoy na gyod tawon ko ug laroylaroy nga way nasod nga matawag nga akoa.

ikaw, nga nakaturok na sa amerika gipapadaplin sigon sa akong mando.  gi-backhoe imong balay, ang imong yuta akong gibalayan, ako ang nagbuot kon asa ra ka dapit makapuyo, di ka makaadto sa imong uma kon di ka mangayo ug permiso nako.

ako, mobuhat aning tanan kay naay neighborhood bully nga andam nga motabang nako kanunay.  ngano?  kay nakatabang ug dako ang akong kaparyentihan sa iyang pag-asenso.

di na importante ang mga detalye, sama sa mga iro sa akong silingan nga ginganlan ug hadrian, nero, ug caligula.

na, hala, ingnon na lang nato nga ikaw bugsay maoy palestinian ug ako islander maoy israeli.  guerra patani gyod ta, mangamungi kon mangamungi.


p.s.  mahimo sad ug ani nga thread nga ako ang iring ug si baby boy lorenzo ang iro, or vice versa.
   




 

   


 ;D  ;D  ;D  :-X

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« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2010, 12:21:55 AM »
magpatuga na lang kog tubag nimo bai bugs, ha?  sige lang god ug di ako ang imong gipangutana... ari na lang ko sa sayon istoryahan kay sa bungbong nga bungol pa sa baki nga nalumos.

a hypothetical situation:

ikaw, bugsay, kaliwat ug immigrants sa amerika.  naningkamot, niasenso, nakapalit ug yuta, balay, uma, kompleto ang titulo sa tanan, apil pa ang kabilin sa imong lolo nga nag-una nimo.

ako, islander, kaliwat ug amerikano nga nilayas sa amerika kaniadto kay gitaboy, gidaogdaog.  gidaogdaog pa gyod ug samot sa mga nasod diin ako nahidagsa.  pero kuwartahan ko ug daghan pa gyod ang malooy nako kay nakonsensya sa unsay akong gidangatan.

ako, nibalik sa amerika kay amerikana lagi gyod ko ug gikapoy na gyod tawon ko ug laroylaroy nga way nasod nga matawag nga akoa.

ikaw, nga nakaturok na sa amerika gipapadaplin sigon sa akong mando.  gi-backhoe imong balay, ang imong yuta akong gibalayan, ako ang nagbuot kon asa ra ka dapit makapuyo, di ka makaadto sa imong uma kon di ka mangayo ug permiso nako.

ako, mobuhat aning tanan kay naay neighborhood bully nga andam nga motabang nako kanunay.  ngano?  kay nakatabang ug dako ang akong kaparyentihan sa iyang pag-asenso.

di na importante ang mga detalye, sama sa mga iro sa akong silingan nga ginganlan ug hadrian, nero, ug caligula.

na, hala, ingnon na lang nato nga ikaw bugsay maoy palestinian ug ako islander maoy israeli.  guerra patani gyod ta, mangamungi kon mangamungi.


p.s.  mahimo sad ug ani nga thread nga ako ang iring ug si baby boy lorenzo ang iro, or vice versa.
   

   

nakasabot na kong daan sa sentimiento sa mga Palestinian, kay murag diha ko ani pag discussed sa social studies pero dukaduka seguro ko ato..
maingon gyud natong pulonga nga siento porsiento sa mga Palestinian nga namuyo diha pagkakaron, diha sab gyud natawo, ......regardless sa unsay nahitabo sa unang panahon, moingon gyud na sila nga ila nang lugar ug ilang pakamatyan kon ilugon.
so mao ni nahitabo karon....ayayay...murag...milagro na lagi kon makabaton ug kalinaw nang dapita...
??? - nawong sa palestian nga gipalayas
:'(  - nawong sa palestinian nailugan na ug tugkaran

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« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2010, 12:36:32 AM »

 ;D  ;D  ;D  :-X

 :D shalom!  salaam!  maayo pa ka, mata na.  ako wa pa makatulog.

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« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2010, 12:47:49 AM »
nakasabot na kong daan sa sentimiento sa mga Palestinian, kay murag diha ko ani pag discussed sa social studies pero dukaduka seguro ko ato..
maingon gyud natong pulonga nga siento porsiento sa mga Palestinian nga namuyo diha pagkakaron, diha sab gyud natawo, ......regardless sa unsay nahitabo sa unang panahon, moingon gyud na sila nga ila nang lugar ug ilang pakamatyan kon ilugon.
so mao ni nahitabo karon....ayayay...murag...milagro na lagi kon makabaton ug kalinaw nang dapita...
??? - nawong sa palestian nga gipalayas
:'(  - nawong sa palestinian nailugan na ug tugkaran

aha!  bistado nga wa diay maka-recess kay naminaw sa social studies!  bistado sad ang edad kay social studies pa, di sibika. ;D

 :o - nawong nako nga naugtas

p.s.  naa koy keffiyeh ug keyholder with a palestinian flag design as keepsakes from a palestinian i met who does not even have a passport because he is stateless.    the way things are now, a historical wrong is being righted by another wrong.  magubot lang baya ning katawhan kon naay mamintaha.
 

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« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2010, 12:53:24 AM »
usa lang ang solution dihang lugara, i-take over ng UN ang pang governo diha.

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« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2010, 01:21:55 AM »
usa lang ang solution dihang lugara, i-take over ng UN ang pang governo diha.

kun mahimo pa lang, dugay ra tingaling gibuhat. 

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« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2010, 01:47:18 AM »
:D shalom!  salaam!  maayo pa ka, mata na.  ako wa pa makatulog.

huy pag hot bath sa didto para makatulog ka! ;D

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« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2010, 01:48:35 AM »
We're not veering from the topic, rather, my little inference was just to remind you that Palestine was not the original. The term Palestine was a foreign (Roman, to be exact) impression on the near east. So it gives credence to States' statement.


and that little inference failed to remind me that it matters whether or not the term palestine was original.  the reminder was unnecessary.  and useless.
  
by reminding me that the term palestine was a roman impression and not original, did you mean to say that the palestinian nation does not exist or does not deserve to exist at all?    

states’ statement was that 'philistines need to go back to crete'.  is this exactly what you gave credence to with your little inference?  as i have earlier said, that statement is like saying that white americans should go back to europe because they came from there.        



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2010, 01:50:36 AM »
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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2010, 01:51:14 AM »
and that little inference failed to remind me that it matters whether or not the term palestine was original.  the reminder was unnecessary.  and useless.
   
by reminding me that the term palestine was a roman impression and not original, did you mean to say that the palestinian nation does not exist or does not deserve to exist at all?   

states’ statement was that palestinians should go back to crete.  is this exactly what you gave credence to with your little inference?  as i have earlier said, that statement is like saying that white americans should go back to europe because they came from there.         


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2010, 02:08:28 AM »
We're not veering from the topic, rather, my little inference was just to remind you that Palestine was not the original. The term Palestine was a foreign (Roman, to be exact) impression on the near east. So it gives credence to States' statement.

granted then that we're not OT, put another way, does it mean that for peace between israel and palestine, "the philistines need to go back to crete" because palestine was a roman impression on the near east? 





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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2010, 02:14:22 AM »

And as far as I know, Crete was ruled by the Greeks. That island was ruled by the ancient Minoans (Mycenaean), who were Greek-speaking people. The island was (and is)  linked to the mainland Greek-city states (Greek League). So could have the Philistines been from Crete? Sure, since Crete was part of the Greek League, and since the Philistines were Greek-speaking people.
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as sure as one plus one equals two.  and as far as i know, crete is only one of the many places of origin of philistines.  you yourself mentioned arabs as migrants to palestine too in another post of yours.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2010, 02:19:48 AM »

Genetic results can also conclude that all human beings share 99.99% of the same homeobox. :)


obviously in the sense that we are all human beings (hopefully, anyway).  but then some must be more the same than others, otherwise, what’s the point of the terms israeli and palestinian?  congratulations to us, then.  we could be both palestinian and israeli aside from being boholano.   

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2010, 02:23:51 AM »

The Arabs were an ethnic group that originally came from the Arab peninsula and expanded throughout the region as traders, herders and nomads. The forced explusion of the Hebrews and the subsequent raizing of Jerusalem to the ground created a void in the region; and the region was resettled by non-Hebrews.

The term Palestine is in itself vague because the term was coined by Roman promulgation in order to erase the Jewish presence or knowledge thereof from the histories. The entire region of Provincia Judea was renamed to Syria Palestinia after the 2nd Great Jewish Revolt after the Romans sent 12 legions to Judea to raize Jerusalem to the ground and to pacify the revolt (more like a genocide).

The term 'Palestine' is a foreign coinage, Roman to be exact. Byzantium retained the Roman standard and altered Syria Palaestinia to ~ Palaestinia Sultaris. When the Ottoman Turks took control of the region, they called it Falastin (retaining the Roman standard). And when Britain took control of the region after the defeat of the Ottoman Turks in 1918, renamed it as Palestine.

Thus, retaining the Roman standard.


more of the same.  mental indigestion, anyone?  come on, lorenzo.  do you really believe this lecture is necessary and sought after?     



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2010, 02:25:30 AM »
My answer to this question:

I don't think there will ever be peace in the near east.

at least, not in this lifetime.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2010, 02:27:23 AM »
Note: When Hadrian ordered the razing of Jerusalem to the ground, he also ordered the renaming of Provincia Judea to Provincia Syria Palestinia; in honor of the enemy of the Jews, the Philistines. One has to understand that the basis for this renaming was that the Jews earned the enmity of Rome with their revolts and uprisings. Hadrian was adamant about his decision and sent 12 Roman Legions to quell the rebellion.


so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2010, 02:44:28 AM »
The Ottoman Turks that used to govern what is now present day Israel (Palestine) conceded it to the British Empire after the ceasure of the 1st World War. The British would be influential in the development of the Israeli State.

The collapse of the the Roman Empire led to the rise of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman), which then collapsed to the Ottoman Turks (which expanded throughout southern and eastern europe for a good 4-5 centuries); before itself collapsing after the Young Turk Revolution and the ending of the 1st World War.

Additionally, i stated that all nations/ empires that tried to exterminate the Jews all collapsed. Your mentioning of the Azteca (mesoamerican), Srivijayan (south east asian) etc has no basis in this since these civilizations had no contact with the Jewish people or implemented a policy of wiping out a large Jewish population.

Azteca was overwhelmed by the Spanish (offspring of the Roman) Empire; while Srivijaya , a major sea-faring empire, was silenced by the Singhasari  and later the Majapahit Empire.


i mentioned other empires in the context of your claim that empires that tried to exterminate the jews had collapsed.  empires collapse, as they all must, whether they try to exterminate jews or not.   

i claimed nothing of the sort that all empires had something to do with the jews.  rather, my point was the collapse of empires is way off the current israeli-palestinian issue. 

and now your lecture is expanding to what happened to those other empires.  o, lorenzo, hilfe!  how would you feel if you’re talking about how fine the weather is and someone answers with the details of the mortgage on his latest sailboat acquisition?         

you either cannot get it or you simply refuse to get it.  the former is a product of a short-circuited intellect, the latter of being too full of oneself. 

i appreciate your stamina, though.  goodnight.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2010, 02:47:57 AM »

OT:  finally, i'm sleepy ms da binsi.  goodnight/good morning.  have a great day!

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« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2010, 03:15:10 AM »
so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

It was a mere historical inference, my dear Fraulein (or Frau), which gives precedence to the Hebrew claim. Judea was settled by the Jews, and trade with them was the basis for Roman interaction in the region. A simple inference for all to note. 

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« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2010, 03:16:17 AM »
i mentioned other empires in the context of your claim that empires that tried to exterminate the jews had collapsed.  empires collapse, as they all must, whether they try to exterminate jews or not.   

i claimed nothing of the sort that all empires had something to do with the jews.  rather, my point was the collapse of empires is way off the current israeli-palestinian issue. 

and now your lecture is expanding to what happened to those other empires.  o, lorenzo, hilfe!  how would you feel if you’re talking about how fine the weather is and someone answers with the details of the mortgage on his latest sailboat acquisition?         

you either cannot get it or you simply refuse to get it.  the former is a product of a short-circuited intellect, the latter of being too full of oneself. 

i appreciate your stamina, though.  goodnight.



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« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2010, 03:20:15 AM »
granted then that we're not OT, put another way, does it mean that for peace between israel and palestine, "the philistines need to go back to crete" because palestine was a roman impression on the near east? 





All peoples come from different regions, the Philistines came from Crete while Abraham and his followers originally came from the land of Ur (present day Iraq).

Do I believe that Israelis and Palestinians should live in harmony? Sure, they all have the right to live in peace.
But do I believe it will happen? No. There are too many factors that will prevent the two from having peace.



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« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2010, 03:21:36 AM »
as sure as one plus one equals two.  and as far as i know, crete is only one of the many places of origin of philistines.  you yourself mentioned arabs as migrants to palestine too in another post of yours.

The only reason why I stated this was because Ms States mentioned Crete, and you tried to undermine her that they (Philistines) were Greek-speaking people; when in reality, Crete itself was under the Greek League. Hellenistic culture is quite vibrant in Crete. :)

Just making a point.

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« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2010, 03:24:19 AM »
usa lang ang solution dihang lugara, i-take over ng UN ang pang governo diha.

hehehe, it was the UN that recognized the Jewish State, following the standards of the Balfour Declaration (or as what anti-Semites would deem it as~ Zionist Expansionism).

It was the UN and the west that did not consider the peoples that lived in present-day Palestine and nullified their sense of nationhood and independence by giving autonomy to Palestine under the banner of Israel. Resolution 181 declared that there would be two nations: Israel and Palestine, however, had wars that led to the concession of Palestinian-controlled lands till their zone of control was West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Who is to blame for the current situation? Well one has to understand that since after WWII and an estimated 6-12 million European Jews were exterminated in German concentration camps, the western powers felt it necessary to establish a Jewish state for the Jews, what better location than Palestine (their ancestral home); tho other plans suggested resettling Jews in other parts of North Africa and in the interior.

Is Israel to be blamed? Good question, indeed.
Let's talk about it.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2010, 04:55:35 AM »
The only reason why I stated this was because Ms States mentioned Crete, and you tried to undermine her that they (Philistines) were Greek-speaking people; when in reality, Crete itself was under the Greek League. Hellenistic culture is quite vibrant in Crete. :)

Just making a point.

Very well said Lorenzo, I felt like a student again sitting in a classroom
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« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2010, 05:00:29 AM »
Ms. States, this is off the topic, but I like reading your posts because they are filled with wisdom and prudence. Your explanation and posts on matters of biblical truth or medicine is 'to the dot' precise. Thank you, and I am honored to even discuss and share insights with you.

Thanks Ma'am.

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« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2010, 07:51:04 AM »

nindot raman nang lecture basta sex education sus mag banganga jud ko ana pero aside ana, pwera nalanng!! mag gamit na laman ko ug EARPLUGS! hahahhah!

Bwahaha! Seguroa nga dili matangtang imong earplugs, Ms, MDB! Nakamatikod ko nga a few hours ago wa ka kataod og earplugs mao nga morag hapit na mobuto imong butsi!  ;D

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« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2010, 08:03:05 AM »
aha!  bistado nga wa diay maka-recess kay naminaw sa social studies!  bistado sad ang edad kay social studies pa, di sibika. ;D

 :o - nawong nako nga naugtas

p.s.  naa koy keffiyeh ug keyholder with a palestinian flag design as keepsakes from a palestinian i met who does not even have a passport because he is stateless.    the way things are now, a historical wrong is being righted by another wrong.  magubot lang baya ning katawhan kon naay mamintaha.
 

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« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2010, 08:07:19 AM »
obviously in the sense that we are all human beings (hopefully, anyway). 

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« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2010, 08:10:40 AM »
way lana nga gi dihog sa akong gisulti....labi na pod nga way kaguran nga gihapak...hehehe
tinuod to ms isles.. >:(

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« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2010, 08:17:57 AM »
as in everything else in our discussion, i'm shocked and awed by this indigestible mishmash of information so generously given but has nothing to do with the topic.

This quote will explain why:

"Showing off is the fool's idea of glory." --Bruce Lee

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« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2010, 09:08:03 AM »
so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

It is because of Hadrian's policy that the world referred to Judea as 'Palestine' for almost 2 millennia; the original inhabitants were not Arabs, but Hebrews who were eventually scattered (hence the Jewish Diaspora). Which goes back to your lecture to Ms. States, which I found rather erroneous. So I added a bit of history for all of us to take into consideration. Since antiquity, this region in the world was known as Yehudah ( from The tribe of Judah).




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« Reply #93 on: June 19, 2010, 02:10:27 PM »
It was a mere historical inference, my dear Fraulein (or Frau), which gives precedence to the Hebrew claim. Judea was settled by the Jews, and trade with them was the basis for Roman interaction in the region. A simple inference for all to note. 

and a long shot inference at that, which no one will probably care about, much less be noted by all.  it does not answer the question.

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« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2010, 02:16:08 PM »
Sure, im glad you could keep up. :)
Auf wiedersehen!

to be honest, i can’t keep up.  i go for wit, that’s why, not mental masturbation nor all sound and fury signifying nothing.  but i have the patience for trying to decipher words like ceasure and raize, which i feel are your latest inventions.

geh mit gott!

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2010, 04:05:00 PM »
All peoples come from different regions, the Philistines came from Crete while Abraham and his followers originally came from the land of Ur (present day Iraq).

Do I believe that Israelis and Palestinians should live in harmony? Sure, they all have the right to live in peace.
But do I believe it will happen? No. There are too many factors that will prevent the two from having peace.


boy, are we agreed.  it’s just that philistines didn’t only come from crete, which was what i meant by my ‘answer’ to states. 

The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt  by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat).  In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts. (palestinefacts.org/pf)

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2010, 04:17:47 PM »
The only reason why I stated this was because Ms States mentioned Crete, and you tried to undermine her that they (Philistines) were Greek-speaking people; when in reality, Crete itself was under the Greek League. Hellenistic culture is quite vibrant in Crete. :)

Just making a point.

with apologies to states, i did not undermine her nor try to undermine her.  to undermine is “to weaken, damage or demoralize”.  surely you know that.  nor did i claim that the philistines were not greek-speaking people.  will you please read other people’s posts well first before looking at your beard and deciding that its color is blond?

my “lecture” to states was only because of the impossibility of having philistines go back to crete (and not all of them came from crete), and why, because it’s like saying that white americans need to go back to europe where they came from.  too bad your bit of history that includes mention of hellenistic culture in crete did not help any.  unsa man tawoy labot sa uling sa valencia, dong, sa ihid nga iring sa dimiao?
 
disagreeing is not undermining.   but what a childish game you play, baby boy.  you seem to try to take other people’s side and praise them to gain their own praises for you or, when that proves impossible, sometimes go as far as deleting posts that didn’t agree with yours.  it’s pathetic, because this forum can make us all friends, in cyberspace at least, even if we disagree on some things.
 
you don’t have to grovel to anyone and in the process risk strewing carelessly and needlessly the facts you've read.

you are an earnest young man, no doubt.  a few more years and more realistic experiences of life’s ups and downs perhaps can tame your loose missile (or firecracker) of an intellect.




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #97 on: June 19, 2010, 04:58:13 PM »
It is because of Hadrian's policy that the world referred to Judea as 'Palestine' for almost 2 millennia; the original inhabitants were not Arabs, but Hebrews who were eventually scattered (hence the Jewish Diaspora). Which goes back to your lecture to Ms. States, which I found rather erroneous. So I added a bit of history for all of us to take into consideration. Since antiquity, this region in the world was known as Yehudah ( from The tribe of Judah).


Warm regards,
baby boy Lorenzo.
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let me try to follow the thread of your logic.

so the original inhabitants were hebrews and not arabs, as you say in your post?  (quoted thus)

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?  what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews? 

my, everybody there, after all, was an immigrant, though it seems to you that some immigrants are more original than others and thus have more right to the place.  ugh.  let that be said about 5th generation fil-ams, your own generation notwithstanding.  it’s called discrimination, right? 

if my “lecture” to states was erroneous, you may write to historians about how misleading their book entries were.  it looks like you know more than they do.

here’s that “erroneous” post (post #7).  tell me what's in it to undermine states with.

sorry, statesville, but i beg to disagree with this statement (not necessarily with you).  one group of the so-called philistines did come from crete, at around 1190BC; most of these groups of philistines are of mediterranean and greek origin. 

the current palestinians are descendants of abraham as the israelis--- a more apt and current term instead of 'jews'--- are descendants of the same patriarch.  (that makes israelis and palestinians blood relatives in the strict sense of the word.)

lineage aside, if we say that these 'philistines' need to go back to crete (it's not a country but a mediterranean island that is part of greece), they who have settled in gaza for more than a thousand years before christ, surely you will find it unthinkable if present americans (the whites, for purposes of this discussion) are deemed to need to go back to their countries of origin in europe because america belongs to native americans.  unthinkable, right?  to think that white americans started settling in the new world only in the 1500s after christ while the 'philistines' settled in the currently named palestine for more than a millennium before christ.

of note in these current times is that palestinians hold titles to the land and their houses that are bulldozed to make way for israeli settlements.  any country will go to war if this is done to its people.” 
 
p.s. when you say “since antiquity…”, in essence it means “from ancient times until now…”.  unfortunately, nowadays there’s no such place named yehudah.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #98 on: June 19, 2010, 05:05:42 PM »
lorenzo, baby boy,

may I repeat some questions of mine which you, in your omniscience, perhaps failed to see and which, unfortunately, your posts failed to enlighten amid all its garbling:

by reminding me that the term palestine was a “roman impression and not original”, did you mean to say that the palestinian nation does not exist or does not deserve to exist at all?

states’ statement was that 'philistines need to go back to crete'.  is this exactly what you gave credence to with your little inference?  as i have earlier said, that statement is like saying that white americans should go back to europe because they came from there.   

since you yourself posted (#82) that abraham and his followers originally came from ur (present-day iraq), and they were hebrews, who, then, were the true original inhabitants?

what makes the hebrews, who were immigrants as you’ve said, more original to the place compared to other immigrants who were not hebrews?

so?  is it because of hadrian that peace seems impossible there now?

n.b.  these questions are a result of your posts.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #99 on: June 19, 2010, 05:16:34 PM »
Very well said Lorenzo, I felt like a student again sitting in a classroom
   listening to  a brilliant instructor, you are exceptional while keeping
   your composure and stay cool... :D


Ms. States, this is off the topic, but I like reading your posts because they are filled with wisdom and prudence. Your explanation and posts on matters of biblical truth or medicine is 'to the dot' precise. Thank you, and I am honored to even discuss and share insights with you.

Thanks Ma'am.


congratulations, statesville and lorenzo, on your newfound mutual admiration club.  from wisdom to precision to grammar, you are, indeed, one in glory.  may your tribe multiply like the tribes of israel. ;D 
 

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