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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 05:58:44 PM »
Yes, i'm sure with that, that there will be a peace someday at that place if both of them agreed to quit claiming to reigns at area and they should consider that area as International Community.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 05:25:06 AM »
No, that won't happen
  Gaza belongs to the Jews, the Philistines need to go back
   to their country  in  Crete.


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 09:36:18 PM »

yes, but not in our lifetime.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 10:08:16 PM »
NO! they have been fighting since before bible was written! NEVER!

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 10:26:16 PM »
No, that won't happen
  Gaza belongs to the Jews, the Philistines need to go back
   to their country  in  Crete.


sorry, statesville, but i beg to disagree with this statement (not necessarily with you).  one group of the so-called philistines did come from crete, at around 1190BC; most of these groups of philistines are of mediterranean and greek origin. 

the current palestinians are descendants of abraham as the israelis--- a more apt and current term instead of 'jews'--- are descendants of the same patriarch.  (that makes israelis and palestinians blood relatives in the strict sense of the word.)

lineage aside, if we say that these 'philistines' need to go back to crete (it's not a country but a mediterranean island that is part of greece), they who have settled in gaza for more than a thousand years before christ, surely you will find it unthinkable if present americans (the whites, for purposes of this discussion) are deemed to need to go back to their countries of origin in europe because america belongs to native americans.  unthinkable, right?  to think that white americans started settling in the new world only in the 1500s after christ while the 'philistines' settled in the currently named palestine for more than a millenium before christ.

of note in these current times is that palestinians hold titles to the land and their houses that are bulldozed to make way for israeli settlements.  any country will go to war if this is done to its people.         



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2010, 02:07:54 AM »
Islander, if i may infer:

Prior to the Great Jewish Revolt, present day Israel was known as Judea, it was only after the pacification of many Jewish revolts that the Romans changed the name from Judea to Palestine.

When the Romans exerted their influence in Judea in 63BC, this lead to hostility between the two peoples and would later lead to the Roman pacification of Jewish revolts and thus lead to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70AD. The Jews would later revolt in the 2nd century AD in what is known as the Bar Kokhba uprising, which lead to a prompt and devastating Roman response. The Romans implemented an ancient world version of 'Shock And Awe' by destroying and razing Jerusalem to the ground and pacified the Jews in Judea, thereby forcing the Jewish people in a diaspora. Many of whom were forced to leave for Hispaniola and Central Europe. The Jews in Iberia would later be called Sephardi Jews and the Jews in present day central and eastern europe would be called the Ashkenazi Jews.

Rome, by Imperial Promulgation under the reign of Emperor Hadrian, renamed Judea ("Provincia Judea") into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants). The Byzantines retained the Roman name and modified it to "Palastinia Sultaris"; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.

Prior to the Great Revolt, the Arab presence in Judea was minimal. Hebrews dominated the land, and it was only after Hadrian sent 12 Roman legions (a force of about 60,000 men) to pacify Judea did their presence fall. Rome tried to exterminate the Jews in that savage campaign, as it did with the Carthaginians in their 3 Punic Wars. The difference here is that Rome did erase Carthage from the known world, even as much as pouring salt over Carthage and enslaved its entire population, thereby stamping out the only rival to Roman domination of the Mediterranean World. Rome, however, was not successful in regards to its extermination of the Jews. While Rome did destroy Jerusalem and forced the Hebrews in a global diaspora, the Jews outlived the Roman Empire, and have resettled their original homeland. The descendants of Abraham continue to pray before the wall of the Great Temple, while, the Eagle of Rome has long rusted into oblivion.

Note: all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2010, 10:18:10 PM »
Islander, if i may infer:


lorenzo,

you have, indeed, inferred, in your own usual way.  inference is akin to extrapolation, which in verb form means "to come up with conclusions from known data".  please don't get me wrong, but your inference, i.e., conclusion, is a lecture on history that would have been more enjoyable to read if you bothered to summarize this particular aspect of history from your source (which, I’m prone to believe, is http://www.palestinefacts.org/ pf_early_ palestine_ brief_ history.php).  unfortunately, i find this source biased any way I look at it.  how about getting facts and distilling them from many sources first before jumping to conclusions?  there’s so much data out there from which we could infer, but it should be data from all sides that should interest us.  

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." (Harry S. Truman)

 oh, the wikipedia (on the palestinian people) in this instance strikes me as more balanced.  (quite unlike the wikipedia entry on our homegrown iglesia ni cristo which is inherently biased.)  needless to say, for purposes of scholarly research, it would be greatly appreciated if you quote or name your source when you post entries such as these.  

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.  


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2010, 10:32:38 PM »

Prior to the Great Jewish Revolt, present day Israel was known as Judea, it was only after the pacification of many Jewish revolts that the Romans changed the name from Judea to Palestine.


it does not mean that by virtue of the ancient name of the place the ancestors of present-day palestinians were not there.

‘Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group are closely related to Jews and represent modern descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,  largely predating the Arabian Muslim conquest that resulted in their acculturation, established Arabic as the predominant vernacular, and over time also Islamized many of them from various prior faiths.’  (from Palestinian People, Wikipedia)


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2010, 10:39:40 PM »

When the Romans exerted their influence in Judea in 63BC, this lead to hostility between the two peoples and would later lead to the Roman pacification of Jewish revolts and thus lead to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70AD. The Jews would later revolt in the 2nd century AD in what is known as the Bar Kokhba uprising, which lead to a prompt and devastating Roman response. The Romans implemented an ancient world version of 'Shock And Awe' by destroying and razing Jerusalem to the ground and pacified the Jews in Judea, thereby forcing the Jewish people in a diaspora. Many of whom were forced to leave for Hispaniola and Central Europe. The Jews in Iberia would later be called Sephardi Jews and the Jews in present day central and eastern europe would be called the Ashkenazi Jews.


as in everything else in our discussion, i'm shocked and awed by this indigestible mishmash of information so generously given but has nothing to do with the topic.

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 10:48:05 PM »

Rome, by Imperial Promulgation under the reign of Emperor Hadrian, renamed Judea ("Provincia Judea") into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants).


‘The Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea.  Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel.  At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.  The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived left the devastated country (and established Jewish communities throughout the Middle East) but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land of Israel.  That is, there were always Jews and Jewish communities in Palestine, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly.’  (from Palestine History, http://www.palestinefacts.org/ pf_early_palestine_brief_history.php)

as for the “Arabs who came to settle Judea”, please refer to reply no. 9.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 10:54:42 PM »
absent tingali kos high school pa ko pag discussed ani...
nangabot na man ni'g roman empire....

para nako, mituo pa ko'g milagro...so basin diayg milagrohan ning dapita nga inig mata nilang tanan gikang sa ilang pagkahinanok kalinaw nay maghari.....mao ra pod sa atong pinangga nga Minadanao. ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 11:01:14 PM »

The Byzantines retained the Roman name and modified it to "Palastinia Sultaris"; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.


‘The Greek toponym Palestini (Παλαιστίνη), with which the Arabic Filastin (فلسطين) is cognate, first occurs in the work of the Greek historian Herodotus, active in the middle of the 5th century BCE, where it denotes generally the coastal land from Phoenicia down to Egypt. Herodotus also employs the term as an ethnonym, as when he speaks of the 'Syrians of Palestine' or 'Palestinian-Syrians', an ethnically amorphous group he distinguishes from the Phoenicians referring to the Aramaeic Samaritans led by Sanbalat and appointed by the Persian kings and the Arabs in Jerusalem referred to also by Ezra (the Bible).  The word bears comparison to a congeries of ethnonyms in Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian Plst or flst, Assyrian as Palastu, and the Hebraic as Plishtim, the latter term used in the Bible to signify the Philistines.’ (from Etymology, Palestinian People, Wikipedia)


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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 11:38:22 PM »

Prior to the Great Revolt, the Arab presence in Judea was minimal. Hebrews dominated the land, and it was only after Hadrian sent 12 Roman legions (a force of about 60,000 men) to pacify Judea did their presence fall. Rome tried to exterminate the Jews in that savage campaign, as it did with the Carthaginians in their 3 Punic Wars. The difference here is that Rome did erase Carthage from the known world, even as much as pouring salt over Carthage and enslaved its entire population, thereby stamping out the only rival to Roman domination of the Mediterranean World. Rome, however, was not successful in regards to its extermination of the Jews. While Rome did destroy Jerusalem and forced the Hebrews in a global diaspora, the Jews outlived the Roman Empire, and have resettled their original homeland. The descendants of Abraham continue to pray before the wall of the Great Temple, while, the Eagle of Rome has long rusted into oblivion.

Note: all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.


what goes up must come down.  all empires collapse, from the most ancient achaemenid empire to the medieval mongol empire, srivijaya empire, down to the modern british empire, western european empires, aztec empire, and the more recent soviet empire.  the world has known over 200 empires that came and went.  how many of these tried to exterminate the jews? 

i hope this particular note is not inferred from the data you have gathered because, excuse me, the collapse of empires has nothing to do with the current israeli-palestinian issue.



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2010, 11:49:39 PM »
absent tingali kos high school pa ko pag discussed ani...
nangabot na man ni'g roman empire....

para nako, mituo pa ko'g milagro...so basin diayg milagrohan ning dapita nga inig mata nilang tanan gikang sa ilang pagkahinanok kalinaw nay maghari.....mao ra pod sa atong pinangga nga Minadanao. ;D

present tingali ka oy.  wa lang ka maminaw kay nagsige ra man kag huwat ug recess. ;D

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 12:11:09 AM »
present tingali ka oy.  wa lang ka maminaw kay nagsige ra man kag huwat ug recess. ;D

mura'g correct gyud ms isles.....lami man sab gud ni'ng recess uy...paborito ni nako.

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 12:35:00 AM »
lorenzo,

you have, indeed, inferred, in your own usual way.  inference is akin to extrapolation, which in verb form means "to come up with conclusions from known data".  please don't get me wrong, but your inference, i.e., conclusion, is a lecture on history that would have been more enjoyable to read if you bothered to summarize this particular aspect of history from your source (which, I’m prone to believe, is http://www.palestinefacts.org/ pf_early_ palestine_ brief_ history.php).  unfortunately, i find this source biased any way I look at it.  how about getting facts and distilling them from many sources first before jumping to conclusions?  there’s so much data out there from which we could infer, but it should be data from all sides that should interest us. 

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." (Harry S. Truman)

 oh, the wikipedia (on the palestinian people) in this instance strikes me as more balanced.  (quite unlike the wikipedia entry on our homegrown iglesia ni cristo which is inherently biased.)  needless to say, for purposes of scholarly research, it would be greatly appreciated if you quote or name your source when you post entries such as these. 

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.   


We're not veering from the topic, rather, my little inference was just to remind you that Palestine was not the original. The term Palestine was a foreign (Roman, to be exact) impression on the near east. So it gives credence to States' statement.

And as far as I know, Crete was ruled by the Greeks. That island was ruled by the ancient Minoans (Mycenaean), who were Greek-speaking people. The island was (and is)  linked to the mainland Greek-city states (Greek League). So could have the Philistines been from Crete? Sure, since Crete was part of the Greek League, and since the Philistines were Greek-speaking people.
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resource:
http://www.ancient-greece.org/history/minoan.html

http://www.ancient-greece.org/





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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 12:43:19 AM »
it does not mean that by virtue of the ancient name of the place the ancestors of present-day palestinians were not there.

‘Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group are closely related to Jews and represent modern descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,  largely predating the Arabian Muslim conquest that resulted in their acculturation, established Arabic as the predominant vernacular, and over time also Islamized many of them from various prior faiths.’  (from Palestinian People, Wikipedia)


Genetic results can also conclude that all human beings share 99.99% of the same homeobox. :)

The Arabs were an ethnic group that originally came from the Arab peninsula and expanded throughout the region as traders, herders and nomads. The forced explusion of the Hebrews and the subsequent raizing of Jerusalem to the ground created a void in the region; and the region was resettled by non-Hebrews.

The term Palestine is in itself vague because the term was coined by Roman promulgation in order to erase the Jewish presence or knowledge thereof from the histories. The entire region of Provincia Judea was renamed to Syria Palestinia after the 2nd Great Jewish Revolt after the Romans sent 12 legions to Judea to raize Jerusalem to the ground and to pacify the revolt (more like a genocide).

The term 'Palestine' is a foreign coinage, Roman to be exact. Byzantium retained the Roman standard and altered Syria Palaestinia to ~ Palaestinia Sultaris. When the Ottoman Turks took control of the region, they called it Falastin (retaining the Roman standard). And when Britain took control of the region after the defeat of the Ottoman Turks in 1918, renamed it as Palestine.

Thus, retaining the Roman standard.




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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 12:47:31 AM »
My answer to this question:

I don't think there will ever be peace in the near east.

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 01:02:03 AM »
Note: When Hadrian ordered the razing of Jerusalem to the ground, he also ordered the renaming of Provincia Judea to Provincia Syria Palestinia; in honor of the enemy of the Jews, the Philistines. One has to understand that the basis for this renaming was that the Jews earned the enmity of Rome with their revolts and uprisings. Hadrian was adamant about his decision and sent 12 Roman Legions to quell the rebellion.



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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 01:19:07 AM »
what goes up must come down.  all empires collapse, from the most ancient achaemenid empire to the medieval mongol empire, srivijaya empire, down to the modern british empire, western european empires, aztec empire, and the more recent soviet empire.  the world has known over 200 empires that came and went.  how many of these tried to exterminate the jews? 

i hope this particular note is not inferred from the data you have gathered because, excuse me, the collapse of empires has nothing to do with the current israeli-palestinian issue.



The Ottoman Turks that used to govern what is now present day Israel (Palestine) conceded it to the British Empire after the ceasure of the 1st World War. The British would be influential in the development of the Israeli State.

The collapse of the the Roman Empire led to the rise of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman), which then collapsed to the Ottoman Turks (which expanded throughout southern and eastern europe for a good 4-5 centuries); before itself collapsing after the Young Turk Revolution and the ending of the 1st World War.

Additionally, i stated that all nations/ empires that tried to exterminate the Jews all collapsed. Your mentioning of the Azteca (mesoamerican), Srivijayan (south east asian) etc has no basis in this since these civilizations had no contact with the Jewish people or implemented a policy of wiping out a large Jewish population.

Azteca was overwhelmed by the Spanish (offspring of the Roman) Empire; while Srivijaya , a major sea-faring empire, was silenced by the Singhasari  and later the Majapahit Empire.



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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2010, 08:37:41 AM »
mura'g correct gyud ms isles.....lami man sab gud ni'ng recess uy...paborito ni nako.

He he, buhatan kaha natog recess ning boring lesson diri, Bay Bugs... ;D

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2010, 08:40:35 AM »

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.  


Basta maghisgot na ganig delete-delete, mora jud kog gitikon... which leads me to wonder, can there indeed ever be peace between Israel and Palestine?  Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2010, 08:45:17 AM »
He he, buhatan kaha natog recess ning boring lesson diri, Bay Bugs... ;D


hehehe..paborito man gud nako to'ng galanggalang ug puto'ng balanghoy sa una...
ug wa ning duha...adto mag suyop sa bakilid... ;D

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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2010, 08:45:56 AM »
absent tingali kos high school pa ko pag discussed ani...
nangabot na man ni'g roman empire....


He he, basin kon laayan kas leksyon, Bay Bugs, moadto kas likod sa eskwelahan unya adto ka pungko kilid sa pond maghuwat sa recess... ;D

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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2010, 08:50:23 AM »
He he, basin kon laayan kas leksyon, Bay Bugs, moadto kas likod sa eskwelahan unya adto ka pungko kilid sa pond maghuwat sa recess... ;D

hehehe....naay fishpond bitaw sa elementary...pero last na sa among time nga gibutangan ug fry......karon nahimo nang "frog pond" ;D

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 08:52:42 AM »

hehehe..paborito man gud nako to'ng galanggalang ug puto'ng balanghoy sa una...
ug wa ning duha...adto mag suyop sa bakilid... ;D

Bitaw, Bay Bugs, kalami sa putong balanghoy
Labi na kon maoy bawon sa bagdoy-bagdoy,
Kon tua pa ni sa Tunga-Tungang Sidlakan
Di unta magkagubot ang mga kanahan.

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 08:56:43 AM »
hehehe....naay fishpond bitaw sa elementary...pero last na sa among time nga gibutangan ug fry......karon nahimo nang "frog pond" ;D

Hala! Nindot ra ba tan-awon ang mga pito-pito nga hinay-hinay tuboan og tiil! Kaniadto mao jud nay akong kalingawan first thing in the morning--tandaon ang mga pito-pito. Cute kon gagmay pa, pero kon dagko na, karamba! As some specimens would croak to us... ;D

Dili man tingali pud magkasinabot ang fry ug tadpoles--much like Israel and Palestine...;D

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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 08:57:26 AM »
Bitaw, Bay Bugs, kalami sa putong balanghoy
Labi na kon maoy bawon sa bagdoy-bagdoy,
Kon tua pa ni sa Tunga-Tungang Sidlakan
Di unta magkagubot ang mga kanahan.

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unsa man sa'y ilang putohon didto
ang bonbon sa desyerto
ang mga tawo didto way laing trabaho
sige'g hapyod sa ilang armas de fuego. ;D

ang kalinaw? idlas pa's manatad.. ;D
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2010, 09:03:44 AM »

unsa man sa'y ilang putohon didto
ang bonbon sa desyerto
ang mga tawo didto way laing trabaho
sige'g hapyod sa ilang armas de fuego. ;D

ang kalinaw? idlas pa's manatad.. ;D
or, dangngog pas halwan



Bitaw, ang kalinaw didto idlas pas manatad
Bisag unsa pang peace intiative nga ilusad.
Madungog didto paka-paka ug buto-buto
Dili ang panaghoy sa baki ug pito-pito.

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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2010, 09:05:57 AM »
Hala! Nindot ra ba tan-awon ang mga pito-pito nga hinay-hinay tuboan og tiil! Kaniadto mao jud nay akong kalingawan first thing in the morning--tandaon ang mga pito-pito. Cute kon gagmay pa, pero kon dagko na, karamba! As some specimens would croak to us... ;D

Dili man tingali pud magkasinabot ang fry ug tadpoles--much like Israel and Palestine...;D

mao ba? nindot bitaw ug cute ning mga tadpoles....duwa-an man namo sa una...isulod sa botelya.

ang fry pod bai Hubs, sa grade six pa ko kusog ko manahid ani....ibaligya kay daghan kaayong mopalit...mao lagi kon magdugay pod kag humol sa dagat maka danlak...ahak.. ;D

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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2010, 09:16:44 AM »
mao ba? nindot bitaw ug cute ning mga tadpoles....duwa-an man namo sa una...isulod sa botelya.

ang fry pod bai Hubs, sa grade six pa ko kusog ko manahid ani....ibaligya kay daghan kaayong mopalit...mao lagi kon magdugay pod kag humol sa dagat maka danlak...ahak.. ;D

Makadanlak diay nang sigig humol sa dagat? Abi nakog salted eggs ang resulta, bwahaha!

Unsa kaha kon adto permi maghumol sa Dead Sea, nga arang parata man. Hmm. Dili kaha danlakon ang mga tawo nga nagpuyo didto? Dili kaha ang danlak usa sa mga katalagman nga magtukmod sa tawo ngadto sa pagkapalaaway? Dili kaha ang danlak maoy hinungdan sa kagubot nga maoy lintunganay sa kukabildo dinhi?

Kini maoy mga pangutana alang sa mga baggiitang tinun-an sa kasaysayan sa Tunga-Tungang Silangan... ;D

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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2010, 09:21:24 AM »
Makadanlak diay nang sigig humol sa dagat? Abi nakog salted eggs ang resulta, bwahaha!

Unsa kaha kon adto permi maghumol sa Dead Sea, nga arang parata man. Hmm. Dili kaha danlakon ang mga tawo nga nagpuyo didto? Dili kaha ang danlak usa sa mga katalagman nga magtukmod sa tawo ngadto sa pagkapalaaway? Dili kaha ang danlak maoy hinungdan sa kagubot nga maoy lintunganay sa kukabildo dinhi?

Kini maoy mga pangutana alang sa mga baggiitang tinun-an sa kasaysayan sa Tunga-Tungang Silangan... ;D

dili seguro maka danlak ang red sea kay molutaw ra man ka...so dili permi mahumol ang itlog....hehehe
ug mauhon ni...pakapangutana pod ta'g danlakon ba pod ang baki kay nagsige ma'g humol? ;D

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2010, 09:28:42 AM »
dili seguro maka danlak ang red sea kay molutaw ra man ka...so dili permi mahumol ang itlog....hehehe
ug mauhon ni...pakapangutana pod ta'g danlakon ba pod ang baki kay nagsige ma'g humol? ;D

Bwahaha! Oh my beloved froggy!

Pero, he he, simple ra ang tubag, Bay Bugs. Dili danlakon ang baki kay ang baki wa may itlog...

By the way, bisan tuod mainly dry ang Middle East, daghang baki didto... ;D

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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2010, 09:30:50 AM »
Bwahaha! Oh my beloved froggy!

Pero, he he, simple ra ang tubag, Bay Bugs. Dili danlakon ang baki kay ang baki wa may itlog...

By the way, bisan tuod mainly dry ang Middle East, daghang baki didto... ;D


naa sad diay baki sa desyerto???  huy naa may itlog ang baki pero gitagu-an para di ma klaro labina ug mag swimsuit! hahahahahaha!

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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2010, 09:40:16 AM »

naa sad diay baki sa desyerto???  huy naa may itlog ang baki pero gitagu-an para di ma klaro labina ug mag swimsuit! hahahahahaha!

hehehe...ang baki sa atua akong gipasabot ug danlakan ba pod kay sige man humol.....
atot, baki nga nag swimsuit...maka provide ba kaha'g hulagway akong migo Hubs ana?

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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2010, 09:40:34 AM »

naa sad diay baki sa desyerto???  huy naa may itlog ang baki pero gitagu-an para di ma klaro labina ug mag swimsuit! hahahahahaha!

Aw di jud hinuon kon maohon...



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Aw di jud hinuon kon maohon...



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