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More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« on: November 13, 2010, 07:22:49 AM »
By Michael Lim Umbac

Former US President Bill Clinton sees more babies as an advantage for the Philippines, whose exploding population is projected to reach 94 million by the end of the year.

That cheerful note was sounded Friday by Parañaque Representative Roilo Golez, quoting Clinton who spoke on “the challenge of globalization” on Wednesday at the Manila Hotel.

As highly industrialized nations grapple with the economic and social costs of an aging population, Clinton noted that “you [Filipinos] have a huge population, which is [something] positive, and you have massive natural resources.”

Golez capitalized on that statement to hit back at his colleagues advocating the passage of the long-pending reproductive health (RH) bill that upholds maternal health and seeks to provide couples an informed choice on various methods of family planning.


“Obviously, Clinton can see and understand what procontraceptives people refuse to see—that our people, our children and our babies, present and future, are assets and not liabilities,” Golez said in a text message.

The Population Commission says that some two million Filipino babies are born annually, representing a population growth rate of 2.04 percent.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2010, 10:06:09 AM »
Sayon ra niya pagsulti kay dili man siya ang mobuhi, usa ra man gani iya
 nahimo, unya  magsinardinas na sa kahuot sa kanihit sa lugar  sa Pinas.... ::)

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 10:44:47 AM »
That's impressive to hear that the Philippines produces 2 million Filipino babies per annum. We are a nation maker. The population of Sweden is 9 million, the population of Israel is 5 million, the population of The Netherlands is 15 million.

Within 4.5 years, the philippines can make Sweden. Within 2+ years, the Philippines can create an Israel. Within 7.5 years, the Philippines can create a Netherlands.


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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 02:33:30 PM »
Unsa may nahitabo sa atong population program.? nga more babies na man hinoon.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 03:43:29 PM »
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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 05:49:40 PM »


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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 06:40:43 PM »
Maayo lang ni si Clinton ug ang ubang mga tawo mosulti ug more babies unya dili man sila mohatag hinabang para sa mga bata nga nanginahanlan ,Out of touch ni sila sa reality ug unsa na ang kahimtang sa pilipinas.Kalami ba anang mo himo ug daghan nga bata pero sila ba ang mopakaon ug mogasto sa pageskwela..Pagmata na mo oy!!!!

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2010, 01:05:15 AM »
Kini daw atong ipangutana sa atong kaugalingon...

Are you a mistake? Would the Philippines have been better off kung wa paka ipanganak sa imong ginikanan kay daghan na jamo ta?

If you are then I rest my case.

If not, is it right to say, "Kining kalibutan o Filipinas" para ra ba ni nato (nga gipanganak na or our kind nga maka afford mobuhi ug bata)? Or, even to say "Para ra ni sa atong mga anak? Apan dili para sa uban, who don't deserve to have babies or don't deserve to be babies? Tsk tsk tsk... tao nga naman.  ???

Balik napod ta ani sa issue sa "nipatong," "naglami" "wa tujoa" "nahubog ko ato na time" "kalimot pamutos" etc

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"self-control" "immoralidad " "family planning" etc, bwahahaha!!!  ;D

Sa mga niagi ani - labi na sa mga batan-on pa sila - kahibaw jud nga di ni lalim... basta uwag na ang "maghari." ;D Gawas na lang kung buotan jud na sila sa sila pay mga batan-on... then THEY have the right to form an opinion against this stand or statement!!!

If not, then you're no different from these who keep on making babies, or making mistakes!!!

On my part, padayon kos akong pagtoo nga "babies are no mistake."  :P

What a turnaround then for a Democrat President - a political group which espouses abortion - to finally say "babies are not liabilities, but assets for the country... and for the world in general."  ;)

 




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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2010, 01:15:08 AM »
Make babies in a responsible way nga pagdako nila naa ipakaon ug pa eskwela ang mga ginikanan.para tawon dili ma pareho sa mga bata dihang mga yagit nga bisan asa nalang matulog ug mamunit sa basurahan sa MC Donalds sa ilang panimudto.Now this is where family planning come in,natural or artificial its not for me to say,depende na kana sa mag asawa..Let us be a responsible parents..

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2010, 01:19:28 AM »
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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2010, 01:25:31 AM »
But the reality (also) is....

Daghan gihapon gipang-anak o ipanganak out in some irresponsible ways...

Are these babies mistakes then?

This is where I repeat my stand, "NO, they are not!"

And they deserve this world or the Philippiens just as much (as I do).



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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 01:38:55 AM »
But the reality (also) is....

Daghan gihapon gipang-anak o ipanganak out in some irresponsible ways...

Are these babies mistakes then?

This is where I repeat my stand, "NO, they are not!"

And they deserve this world or the Philippiens just as much (as I do).


Mao lagi gyud ang problema kay naa man gyud bata nga ipanganak in some irresponsible way.. mao nga maayo cguro ug naay mga departamento sa gobyerno nga motabang nila ang kaso lang wala man sa pilipinas..Pagdagko ining mga bata tungod sa environmental factors 80 percent nila mahimong tulisan,k******n,drug addict,drug pusher,rapist,prostitute ,they do more harm to society than doing good.Ug unsa man galing ang maayong solution ini nga problema mangutana kuno ta sa mga Sociology graduates nga member sa TB..

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 02:09:29 AM »
What a turnaround then for a Democrat President - a political group which espouses abortion - to finally say "babies are not liabilities, but assets for the country... and for the world in general."  ;)
Nalipay bitaw ko pagkabasa ani Dre nga medyo na shock kay knowing Clinton pero he gain my respect. Tinuod man siya good for Philippines gyud. Ug buot hunahunaon atong mga ginikanan  ug mga ginikanan sa atong mga ginikanan tagpila ang anak kasagaran moaabot ug 15 ang pinakaubos  unom ang anak daghan tag story nakat unan nila sa ilang kalisod ug paningkamot ug mostly sa product sa big family puro successful kay isi man ug paningkamot tua ang pagtinabangay. Unsa may nakalahi sa una ug karon? Walay kalainan gawas nga sa una ang ginikanan nga naabot ug sobra sa dosena ang anak munamunang kayod aron naay ikapakaon sa iyang mga anak ikapaedukar pero ang karon nga generation maghulat ug goberno mismo mohungit nila. Kadaghan kapanginabuhian ug dili lang tapuwan. Nganong daghan bata halos way kaon sa atua kay ang amahan makasapi gani deretso tagay ug sugal. 

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2010, 02:52:34 AM »
I suggest that the next time Clinton visit the Philippines he will visit the slums of Tondo and the esteros of Pasig and feel for himself what its like to live there, 3 family's in one shack with more than ten children all together.No privacy no furniture lucky to have a television,refregerator is a luxury.One meal a day.What did he do while staying in the Philippines,,staying in a five star hotel, taking the Limo from one place to another,i bet he doesn'nt stop in the middle of his destination take a walk and talk to the masses.Or go to Divisoria to bargain with the vendors.And all of a sudden he decides that it is a good thing for Pilipinos to make more babies.Oh!Come on he can think much better than that.Or i will say that Alzheimers are slowly creeping into his brain..Life in Tondo Slums, Manila, Philippines

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2010, 03:20:01 AM »
This is the reality of what is happening to most part of the Philippines.Most of the members of TB who are staying overseas,They take the plane from Naia to Bohol .Upon arriving Tagbilaran they go  to the comfort of thier multi million homes,or to the nice hotels,eat at fine restaurant.Ride on thier car.Most of them living on thier own world.But are you aware of the true condition of the 80 percent of the pilipino population..If you are staying most of your time in Bohol then you do not really see what happening outside your own protected world.Go to Manila ,visit Tondo you can take a taxi and just cruise by or to Divisoria or even to Quiapo.And you will see the reality of life..They dont call Philippines 3rd world for nothing..philippines street children and beggars

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2010, 08:31:47 AM »
Kahibaw na siya Bay Gwaps. Yes, President Clinton is rich and powerful (wa na tay mahimo ana) but he knows the plight of the poor people being the President of the United States. And as a former President, he does a lot of charity works - maski palakero pana siya  before and probably still now (hahaha). He has also helped a lot of people both from Third World countries and locally... probably more than all of us here at TB combined. It's all perception... and presidents included, at times, they don't get the respect they deserved because of who they are. But they do, sometimes, that we don't know about. I for one can attest to his charity works because our community (my parish) is one of the many recipients of the Presidentd Bush & Clinton grant after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.



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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 08:49:14 AM »
Kahibaw na siya Bay Gwaps. Yes, President Clinton is rich and powerful (wa na tay mahimo ana) but he knows the plight of the poor people being the President of the United States. And as a former President, he does a lot of charity works - maski palakero pana siya  before and probably still now (hahaha). He has also helped a lot of people both from Third World countries and locally... probably more than all of us here at TB combined. It's all perception... and presidents included, at times, they don't get the respect they deserved because of who they are. But they do, sometimes, that we don't know about. I for one can attest to his charity works because our community (my parish) is one of the many recipients of the Presidentd Bush & Clinton grant after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.


Yes, I can vouch for this too because he spearheaded a campaign for the victims of Katrina. The Bush and Clinton tandem in 2005 for the victims of Katrina gained popular support all over the world. We helped also in our own little ways.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2010, 08:49:54 AM »
I'm just happy to hear that for once Clinton said something "right" - at least from my perspective. The Catholic Church thinks the same way: "Babies are no mistakes!" They deserve to live just as all of us. I lived in the slums of San Jose Resettlement Area (1980) and Bagong Bayan, Dasmariñas, Cavite (1982), and 3 months in Tondo (during my regency year in 1980) and among fishermen of Cavite City during my activism and/or part of my apostolate days as a student. Yes, these are very poor.. and often, a product of irresponsible parenthood and/or arratic government/s... but nonetheless they are still human beings who deserve to live with dignity and respect. They are not all bad (although many are victims of circumstances). Many of them have been successful to this day. I'm still in contact with a few of them who now live in the U.S. (who are not poor anymore). Dili baya na sila tanan k******n, drug victims, etc. just because they are poor and basically come from families who have nothing. In other words, dili pod nato ma generalize as altogether "bad" by-products of poverty. Kung sinagoyon pagkasulti... on the contrary, daghan pod gikan sa mga maayong pamilya and affluent classes... pero ang mga kanahan man hinooy big time "k******n" "drug users" who are sitting in big offices and sometimes along the hallways of our capitol buildings or Congress, bwahahaha. If you know what I mean.  ;D


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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2010, 08:58:29 AM »
Agree gyud ko sa imo Father about sa babies. Our children deserve something better, deserve a society that cares, a government that prioritized their welfare, citizens that provide them with proper guidance to become wholesome citizens in the future.



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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2010, 10:01:25 AM »
I'm just happy to hear that for once Clinton said something "right" - at least from my perspective. The Catholic Church thinks the same way: "Babies are no mistakes!" They deserve to live just as all of us. I lived in the slums of San Jose Resettlement Area (1980) and Bagong Bayan, Dasmariñas, Cavite (1982), and 3 months in Tondo (during my regency year in 1980) and among fishermen of Cavite City during my activism and/or part of my apostolate days as a student. Yes, these are very poor.. and often, a product of irresponsible parenthood and/or arratic government/s... but nonetheless they are still human beings who deserve to live with dignity and respect. They are not all bad (although many are victims of circumstances). Many of them have been successful to this day. I'm still in contact with a few of them who now live in the U.S. (who are not poor anymore). Dili baya na sila tanan k******n, drug victims, etc. just because they are poor and basically come from families who have nothing. In other words, dili pod nato ma generalize as altogether "bad" by-products of poverty. Kung sinagoyon pagkasulti... on the contrary, daghan pod gikan sa mga maayong pamilya and affluent classes... pero ang mga kanahan man hinooy big time "k******n" "drug users" who are sitting in big offices and sometimes along the hallways of our capitol buildings or Congress, bwahahaha. If you know what I mean.  ;D


You said it all, Father Roel. All and more. :)

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2010, 11:16:15 AM »
kinsay nag ingon nga mistake to have babies? it is the parent's mistake to f&&&&k without planning what they could do with their children. pero tan awa ang pilipinas arang gamaya ang mga balay nag tapot na ug maajo asa naman dayun mag garden ang gma tawo? bisan unsaon ninyo ug hunahuna ( religion ipadaplin) unsaon naman pag pakaon ang mga tawo sa kalibutan???? hunahunaa ninyo oi. ang mga isda gamay nalang. ang mga corn gamay nalang sad kay gihimo na ug fuel. ang mga forest upao na wa nay kahoy, ang mga animals gipang mass produce gipang enhance para dali ra mo tubo to meet the demands of the over population and thus creates too many illnesses...i set aside sa nato ang ideology lets think of reality.

capitalist countries always want the poor countries to be poor... kay ug puro nalang dato ang mga nasud kinsa naman lang mohimo sa ilang sapatos ug medyas???? Norway? Sweden?Australia?  it is the poor coutry. look at all the labels everytime you put on your clothes or underwear...kamo na  say sumpay.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2010, 02:30:39 PM »
Everything is ideology, in a way, including our respective opinions. The question is how is our opinion formed. Dili man pod basta2x pwede ipadaplin ang religion, because on my part I was formed mainly by my religious faith, not by political nor any other ideology. If you are formed by your secular outlook, that is how you will also judge things. I said my "informed" opinion and you said yours.



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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 03:06:00 PM »
I go with the idea of responsible parent and also responsible family planning. 

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2010, 12:22:37 AM »
If we array the countries of the world according to population density, and then look at the rate of economic growth, we see that it is the more densely-populated countries-such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Holland, Japan-that are growing faster, and that the less-densely populated countries-such as those in Africa-are growing at slower rates.

The view that I have expressed to you thus far is precisely the view held by experts on these topics. Every agricultural economist knows that people have been eating better since World War II, the period for which we have data. Every resource economist knows that natural resources have become cheaper rather than more expensive. Every demographer knows that life expectancy in the wealthy countries has gone up from under 30 years at birth 200 years ago to over 75 years at birth today. And life expectancy has risen in the poor countries from perhaps 35 years at birth only 50 years ago to 60-65-70 years at birth today. Those are the facts which are known by the economists and demographers who study these subjects.

Malthusian common sense is a very attractive idea. But the heart of the growth of civilizations and economies is the non-Malthusian adjustment process that is inevitably complex, and indeed counter-intuitive. The common-sensical Malthusian view sees only the short term rather than the long term. But in the long term these adjustment processes tend to produce opposite results to what the short term results happen to be. Here we should note that science is only interesting when it produces results which are the opposite of common sense.

we have solid statistical evidence about the determinants of economic development. What could only be said on economic faith 30 years ago, we can now document scientifically. We now know statistically that what David Hume wrote on the subject in the 1700s was exactly right. When identifying why Holland was the richest country in Europe, Hume said that “Liberty, necessity, and a multitude of people” were the causes.

A free society with social rules enables people to exercise their talents for their own sakes. This inevitably benefits others by bringing forth prodigious productive efforts which cause growth. And each generation creates a little bit more than it uses. Hence each new generation is richer than the previous generation.



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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 12:38:38 AM »
Everything is ideology, in a way, including our respective opinions. The question is how is our opinion formed. Dili man pod basta2x pwede ipadaplin ang religion, because on my part I was formed mainly by my religious faith, not by political nor any other ideology. If you are formed by your secular outlook, that is how you will also judge things. I said my "informed" opinion and you said yours.



Absolutely, and Totally, Father Roel. Every philosophical thought/standing follows some kind of ideologue. Why even secularism is in itself an ideology. Voltaire once taught to his students in the penny coffee shops of pre-revolutionary France on the importance of thought and ideology. Religious thought, secularist thought, republican thought, royalist thought etc all follow an ideology.

In fact, humans, by the basis of our moral reasoning, thanks in mind to the breadth of our anatomical structure (namely, the cerebral cortex), will always follow an ideology.

Those that try to counter by claiming anarchism as an answer are themselves deaf and too closed minded because anarchism is also an ideology. An ideology that teaches the unimportance of government etc.

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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2010, 01:06:47 AM »
The American Industrial Revolution: A Case Study

by: Lorenzo Lucino

During the early 19th century, the United States of America, experienced what many of my colleagues in the field of American History , and World History, would say as a national transformation. The beginning of what American Historians would call as “The Great American Manifest Destiny”. During this time period, the United States was not considered a world player, as of yet, most of continental Europe were the key players. The British and their overseas empire, which at the time controlled over 1/4th of the world’s land mass, the French with their empire in Indochina, and the heartlands of Africa and parts of the Caribbean; The Dutch and their empire in Africa as well as in the Dutch Malacas (Present day Indonesia).

The United States at this time period was experiencing a rising immigration rate; from Russia, Prussia (Germany), France, Austria-Hungary, Norway, England, Italy and this translated in a massive population boom. Considering the time , there were no such birth agendas, population-check agencies as now, and thus the United States’ population doubled , then tripled in number within the successive generations.
The increased population lead to demographic problems at first, however, were the basis for the industrialization of the country. The population was utilized to build and settle the uncharted areas o the country, colonizing most of Midwestern America, as well as the western basins of California. The building of the railway systems during the mid to late 19th century not only connected continental America for the first time, but allowed the transportation and facilitation of growth in the fringe locations of the country. Agriculture and the agrarian system was utilized in unison with industrial and manufacturing that steamed the United States towards a global role. And it was the population, the natural resources, that allowed the country to transform itself as a 3rd world, backwards former-colony into the leading economic, military and political hyperpower that it is to this day.

The Philippines’ population, natural resources, our rich and expensive islands and coastal areas are all factors for our potential for national greatness and growth.

I do not see the Philippines as a ‘sick man of asia’ and do not see it as a paralytic as what many of you would mention in your descriptives. On the contrary, I see the Philippines as a nation that is on the verge of national growth and future greatness. I believe that the Philippines, like most countries in the world and throughout history, has not yet experienced its ‘time in the sun’. The Republic of the Philippines has the potential, with our innate richness (population, healthy population, active work force, educated populace, cohesive characteristic of Filipinos in general, immense natural resources), to be come a regional and possibly a global power.

As nations such as Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Bulgaria and many western countries, are suffering from a falling population, the Philippines is reaching the 100 million mark. Our country is not weak, not paralytic, but growing, fertile, and ready to boom.
I have been to the Philippines for the first time in 12 years and with my own eyes have seen how much it has grown, improved, and modernized since I was last home in 1998. The country is not as poor and destitute as what others would say. It is growing. And thus following the common trends on national progression towards 1st worldom.  





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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2010, 04:03:17 AM »
kiat lang na si clinton. usa ra man gani iyang anak nya maghisgot na nuon siya ug daghang baby. mao sigurong nangabit siya ni monica lewinsky. motoo ko niya kung iyang ingnon iyang anak kinsa bag-o pang naminyo nga manganak sila ug daghan.

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2010, 04:07:07 AM »
kiat lang na si clinton. usa ra man gani iyang anak nya maghisgot na nuon siya ug daghang baby. mao sigurong nangabit siya ni monica lewinsky. motoo ko niya kung iyang ingnon iyang anak kinsa bag-o pang naminyo nga manganak sila ug daghan.
Sa America man god dili lagi uso ang daghang anak kay mahal kaayo. Dili man ang lalaki dire ang dile gusto, kasagaran mga babaye ang gusto og gamy ra nga anak.

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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2010, 05:55:07 AM »
I go with the idea of responsible parent and also responsible family planning. 

The Catholic Church, too... responsible family planning and parenthood. Pero they insist on natural planning (as of yet)  ;D

Addendum: As far as I know the Bishops of Canada pay wala kauyon aning stand sa Catholic Church sa natural family planning (part of it).


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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2010, 06:13:55 AM »
In my humble opinion, the poor masses (children included) are not the cause of poverty... rather, they are the biggest victims of dire poverty.

Kung akong ig-agaw pa pasultion (Dr. Brydz), who I've heard many times and made me reflect many a-times, moingon man jud to ba, "Magbuot ba diay mog manganak pod mi bisag pobre mi... kamo ba diay nipalit ug gatas og bugas para ipakaon sa among mga anak?" "Nganong kami may basolon nga mangisda pod sa dagat, injo ra ba diay nang dagat? Nganong moingon man mo nga gamay nay nahabiling isda o uban pang seafood... para sa mga dato ra ba diay na o sa mga na tawo sa una?"  ;D

We can't blame poverty alone to over-population. It's a phenomenon we can't control (although many have tried). Lami god unta kong ma control pa ang over-population because it would be big help sa mga nasud nga nagka lisod2x... but to say "babies born out of poverty and irresponsible actions of irresponsible parents" are the cause of our present poverty is just as absurd.

Kung naa pa lay voice ning mga bataa, in effect mao ni ilang isulti:

"Ngeee, pasanginlan ma mi ninyo!"  ;D

"Kamo ra gani naay sweldo (piece of the pie), not us!!!  ;D

Uwagan pod, not us!!! (kay mga bata pa mi)"   ;D


 

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2010, 06:39:29 AM »
In my humble opinion, the poor masses (children included) are not the cause of poverty... rather, they are the biggest victims of dire poverty.

Kung akong ig-agaw pa pasultion (Dr. Brydz), who I've heard many times and made me reflect many a-times, moingon man jud to ba, "Magbuot ba diay mog manganak pod mi bisag pobre mi... kamo ba diay nipalit ug gatas og bugas para ipakaon sa among mga anak?" "Nganong kami may basolon nga mangisda pod sa dagat, injo ra ba diay nang dagat? Nganong moingon man mo nga gamay nay nahabiling isda o uban pang seafood... para sa mga dato ra ba diay na o sa mga na tawo sa una?"  ;D

We can't blame poverty alone to over-population. It's a phenomenon we can't control (although many have tried). Lami god unta kong ma control pa ang over-population because it would be big help sa mga nasud nga nagka lisod2x... but to say "babies born out of poverty and irresponsible actions of irresponsible parents" are the cause of our present poverty is just as absurd.

Kung naa pa lay voice ning mga bataa, in effect mao ni ilang isulti:

"Ngeee, pasanginlan ma mi ninyo!"  ;D

"Kamo ra gani naay sweldo (piece of the pie), not us!!!  ;D

Uwagan pod, not us!!! (kay mga bata pa mi)"   ;D


 

The Holy Spirit speaks in this post. Praise be to God!

It's always without hindsight does one think that poverty can be totally defeated. Why even in the United States, as a 1st world nation (hyperpower) and one that has the largest economy in the world (14 Trillion Dollar Economy), still we have poor and destitute people in the nation. In fact, poverty is not something that will be done away with, many political ideologies that claim to solve the poverty issue are not only lying to themselves and to the masses. Soviet Communism , which began with the Bolshevik Revolution claimed to bring a new hope and end the poverty of the masses and to deliver the people from the authoritative regime of the Romanov Dynasty (Russian Czarism) , however, did such a utopia ever manifest? No. Russian Communism brought backwardness, unhindered industrialism to the states, abuses of power by those in the communist party, so bad that the very political system that the Russians had lived in collapsed by the end of the early 1990s. Political agendas are never constant ; neither are their promises.

In fact, Communism claimed to curve poverty and exterminate it from its borders. Rubbish.

Poverty, my friends, is something that will always will be. Jesus Christ was born , himself, into poverty, lived with those who were poor (some 2000 years ago) and the truth of the matter is that poverty will never disappear. It cannot. It will not.

I'll end this a biblical verse that best coincides with what Father Roel is saying, and I thought it pertinent to add, for those who are open to biblical verses (of course) :)


Nevertheless, just as YOU are abounding in everything, in faith and word and knowledge and all earnestness and in this love of ours to YOU, may YOU also abound in this kind giving.

8 It is not in the way of commanding YOU, but in view of the earnestness of others and to make a test of the genuineness of YOUR love, that I am speaking. 9 For YOU know the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich he became poor for YOUR sakes, that YOU might become rich through his poverty.

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2010, 06:49:38 AM »
Father Roel, tell Dr. Byrdz that what he said was not only poignant, but speaks truth (also tell him that he has an amazing voice!) lol.

Truly, not all the poor deserve death nor should they be told to limit themselves. Who are we to tell them what to do? We can't even solve some of our own problems in our lives, let alone telling who should be born or not born!

Friends, brothers and sisters, Our Savior Jesus Christ was born poor. In fact, he was considered poor of the poor; he was not born in a hospital, but in an animal's manger. He was chased with his mother and earthly father, Joseph, escaping the sword of Herod. By telling the poor that they have no right to have children, let alone use such degrading words about what they should and should not do, one is condemning life. Who are you to condemn life? Is life given to you? Of course. As it is , given to those who live and have the right to live an honest and good life.

Jesus Christ, did not choose to be born amongst the rich, or an earthly king,...but amongst the poor.

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2010, 07:37:18 AM »
capitalist countries always want the poor countries to be poor... kay ug puro nalang dato ang mga nasud kinsa naman lang mohimo sa ilang sapatos ug medyas???? Norway? Sweden?Australia?  it is the poor coutry. look at all the labels everytime you put on your clothes or underwear...kamo na  say sumpay.

Poor countries work hard to make rich countries richer. In protest, wa na koy sul-ob-sul-ob og underwear...  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2010, 08:10:25 AM »
capitalist countries always want the poor countries to be poor... kay ug puro nalang dato ang mga nasud kinsa naman lang mohimo sa ilang sapatos ug medyas???? Norway? Sweden?Australia?  it is the poor coutry. look at all the labels everytime you put on your clothes or underwear...kamo na  say sumpay.

China has the most labels you can find around hehehe (see Walmart)... and yet considered one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful. It has the most population, too. Once called the "Sleeping Giant" they now service loans to the United States and other supposedly super-power nations.  ;D  

And outside the big cities... they too have so many poor. Unbelievably poor for a rich country like China!!!  ???

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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 08:28:59 AM »
Did you also read the news report? China , this year alone, purchased more automobiles for domestic use than the United States.

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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2010, 08:37:32 AM »
The point of the matter: population is not a hindrance, but rather a source of strength.

India. By the time India gained independence from Britain, her population was at 350 million. Since then, her population has more than tripled. And is one of the largest economies of the world, and rising. The same goes for China, who since the Great Cultural Revolution, the population has risen to some 1.3 Billion and rising (tho minimized due to the one-child policy).

China and India is considered part of the third world, however, rising through heavy modernization. The Philippines falls in this same category. This century , the 21st century, is supposedly orient the world order towards the Asian-Pacific Axis.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2010, 10:44:27 AM »
sigi lang ta hisgut ug power! tan awa sa mapa unsa kadak-a ang china compara sa pinas.  pwerte pa silang daghanang natural resources natural maka accommodate sila sa ilang mga tawo. kita karon kay arang daghana naman nganong wa man tay maayong produkto para export? nganong gamay ra sad naghimo ug factories sa atoa kompara sa india?  daghan nurse pero way nag hire? naa noon daghan baligya baje...ayaw mo kalagut kay tinuod jud na.
 gusto mo ma preha ta sa india? pila ang income per capita versus strenght??????? famine vs food?
agi noon sa kadaghan sa tawo mao ni nahitabo oh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWl2rW_K3WQ&feature=player_embedded#!

mga holdaper daw ni sila. and who are you blaming here? the police? holdaper? the parents? their wives? or what???

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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2010, 11:02:56 AM »
Bwahahaha.... repost man jud gikan sa FB. Di man lang kay sa Pinas ra ang abuso sa mga kapulisan or military. Even in so-called super power nations mas hadlok paman gani sila kay e salvage lang ka. Wa na dayoy balita. Mismo sa capital sa United States, one of the worst in the world. New Orleans is another.  ???

Lain pod, kung moundang tag gamag mga bata, gamay na lay magminyog mga Amerkano/Europeans nga mahilig ug Asian or Pinay, or kadtong mga Pinay nga gusto mag minyog mga Amerkano or any other nationalities. Gamay nay maka abroad ;D

Hmmmm, basin mao nay ulterior motives ni Clinton da... kay uwaganix ra ba pod to, bwahahaha!  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2010, 12:10:13 PM »
Bwahahaha.... repost man jud gikan sa FB. Di man lang kay sa Pinas ra ang abuso sa mga kapulisan or military. Even in so-called super power nations mas hadlok paman gani sila kay e salvage lang ka. Wa na dayoy balita. Mismo sa capital sa United States, one of the worst in the world. New Orleans is another.  ???

Lain pod, kung moundang tag gamag mga bata, gamay na lay magminyog mga Amerkano/Europeans nga mahilig ug Asian or Pinay, or kadtong mga Pinay nga gusto mag minyog mga Amerkano or any other nationalities. Gamay nay maka abroad ;D

Hmmmm, basin mao nay ulterior motives ni Clinton da... kay uwaganix ra ba pod to, bwahahaha!  ;D

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tyahaha  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2010, 12:43:32 PM »
Bwahahaha.... repost man jud gikan sa FB. Di man lang kay sa Pinas ra ang abuso sa mga kapulisan or military. Even in so-called super power nations mas hadlok paman gani sila kay e salvage lang ka. Wa na dayoy balita. Mismo sa capital sa United States, one of the worst in the world. New Orleans is another.  ???

Lain pod, kung moundang tag gamag mga bata, gamay na lay magminyog mga Amerkano/Europeans nga mahilig ug Asian or Pinay, or kadtong mga Pinay nga gusto mag minyog mga Amerkano or any other nationalities. Gamay nay maka abroad ;D

Hmmmm, basin mao nay ulterior motives ni Clinton da... kay uwaganix ra ba pod to, bwahahaha!  ;D

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Well said, Father. In cases like the said video post, which is an example of abuse of authoritative power, this is not prejudiced only towards developing nations, but is a psychological delinquency that are seen in all facets of society and civilization, irrespective of cultural diversity as it is a humanistic phenomenon (albeit being a Psychopathology) . In fact, this is standard behavioral psychology theory/ psychiatric cognitive deviance.

In the field of human behavioral science/ neuroscience & psychology, this is seen in the Stanford Prison Experiment , which addressed the following questions (which became standardized in the field of psychology, psychotherapy, and included in the subsets of psychiatry):

What happens when you put good people in an evil place? Does humanity win over evil, or does evil triumph? These are some of the questions we posed in this dramatic simulation of prison life conducted in the summer of 1971 at Stanford University.

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2010, 12:48:59 PM »
What a coincidence because last Thursday I was discussing with my partners, a white American and Hispanic from Ecuador, about this racial distribution in the United States starting the year 2040. According to that research, though am not sure if it is official, that white Americans will be starting to become a history in the US. That Hispanics, black Americans and Asians will become the dominant physical appearance of the people living here, because the whites stopped producing children. The current white people will become old and no new generations will replace them.

Based on this premise, maybe Clinton has some logical explanation at the back of his head. With the influx of inter-marriages happening now to Filipinos, time will come that the Philippines will be converted to different color... and the living brown people will be the minority if we stop making children.

Maybe 100 years or so. That what happened to New Zealand when they adopted "o" population growth way back then. NZ reached to a point, that they don't have enough productive population, even now it is roughly 50% in the labor force and the increase rate is still less than 2%.

There is a saying of the Philippine playboys: " Di bale maubos ang salapi nungka ang lahi."







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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2010, 12:59:09 PM »

There is a saying of the Philippine playboys: " Di bale maubos ang salapi nungka ang lahi."


Bwahahaha! Kung Binisay-on, unsa man? "Bahalag way sapi basta kanunay gahi???"  ;D ;D



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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2010, 12:59:56 PM »
What a coincidence because last Thursday I was discussing with my partners, a white American and Hispanic from Ecuador, about this racial distribution in the United States starting the year 2040. According to that research, though am not sure if it is official, that white Americans will be starting to become a history in the US. That Hispanics, black Americans and Asians will become the dominant physical appearance of the people living here, because the whites stopped producing children. The current white people will become old and no new generations will replace them.

Based on this premise, maybe Clinton has some logical explanation at the back of his head. With the influx of inter-marriages happening now to Filipinos, time will come that the Philippines will be converted to different color... and the living brown people will be the minority if we stop making children.

Maybe 100 years or so. That what happened to New Zealand when they adopted "o" population growth way back then. NZ reached to a point, that they don't have enough productive population, even now it is roughly 50% in the labor force and the increase rate is still less than 2%.

There is a saying of the Philippine playboys: " Di bale maubos ang salapi nungka ang lahi."







hehehe they say that by 2050, the minority will be the majority in the United States of America. This country will no longer be a 'white' nation.

Again, it only strengthens the already internationally accepted understanding that the United States is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-cultural nation state. Our racial demographic will be akin to that of Brazil, which is highly amalgamated nation-state.

In the United States, wolf, the minorities tend to have a higher birth rate , child per family, as compared to the white-american demographic.



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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2010, 01:04:01 PM »
What a coincidence because last Thursday I was discussing with my partners, a white American and Hispanic from Ecuador, about this racial distribution in the United States starting the year 2040. According to that research, though am not sure if it is official, that white Americans will be starting to become a history in the US. That Hispanics, black Americans and Asians will become the dominant physical appearance of the people living here, because the whites stopped producing children. The current white people will become old and no new generations will replace them.

Based on this premise, maybe Clinton has some logical explanation at the back of his head. With the influx of inter-marriages happening now to Filipinos, time will come that the Philippines will be converted to different color... and the living brown people will be the minority if we stop making children.

Maybe 100 years or so. That what happened to New Zealand when they adopted "o" population growth way back then. NZ reached to a point, that they don't have enough productive population, even now it is roughly 50% in the labor force and the increase rate is still less than 2%.

There is a saying of the Philippine playboys: " Di bale maubos ang salapi nungka ang lahi."







Having a falling population is also quite counter-intuitive for highly socialized states. Take for example: Germany and Spain.

The two countries are highly socialized, yet both countries have a falling (rapidly) population; considering the majority of the population are adult or are of the geriatric (meaning, will soon die off), this is negated with the offset of having a low birth rate. This translates in a reduced seeding process (the generation that will replace the one dying off will be limited in number) and thus will lead to a reduction of productivity, and thus, in turn affect their socialized system of government.

Reasons: financial feasibility ramifications.

Explanation: With reduced workers, reduced tax payment, social programs will be minimized.

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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2010, 01:06:42 PM »
hehehe they say that by 2050, the minority will be the majority in the United States of America. This country will no longer be a 'white' nation.

Again, it only strengthens the already internationally accepted understanding that the United States is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-cultural nation state. Our racial demographic will be akin to that of Brazil, which is highly amalgamated nation-state.

In the United States, wolf, the minorities tend to have a higher birth rate , child per family, as compared to the white-american demographic.


So true. In our parish it used to be crowded with white people, now I am seeing black and hispanics. To add, I told the white American, blame that on your white American spouses that bitches about having kids LOL!

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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2010, 01:08:28 PM »
lol! a white woman (who i used to date) once told me that she finds asian women annoying. When asked why , she lamented:

"because you (referring to me) seem to have a racial preference for asian women! that and the fact that asian women are stealing white american men!" i could not help from laughing. :P



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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2010, 01:14:27 PM »
lol! a white woman (who i used to date) once told me that she finds asian women annoying. When asked why , she lamented:

"because you (referring to me) seem to have a racial preference for asian women! that and the fact that asian women are stealing white american men!" i could not help from laughing. :P


Hahahhaha...tell them that is economics, "demand vs supplies", and well of course, the quality of the products dictate the demands.

But, listen to this, a Pinoy once told me that he is angry of foreigners because they are stealing the Filipinas. Magpares na lang kaha na sila, para adunay balance of trade.



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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2010, 01:19:25 PM »
puahaha, i love that coined term, "balance of trade"!

I have a friend , a very beautiful curvy white woman (she has a very curvy body) and was telling me that the man who she liked was taken; taken by a small sized asian woman. She asked me if there was anything wrong with her. Luoy pood intawn. Guapa ug sexy raba ijang lawas...

ahayyyy~  :P

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« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2010, 01:32:08 PM »
puahaha, i love that coined term, "balance of trade"!

I have a friend , a very beautiful curvy white woman (she has a very curvy body) and was telling me that the man who she liked was taken; taken by a small sized asian woman. She asked me if there was anything wrong with her. Luoy pood intawn. Guapa ug sexy raba ijang lawas...

ahayyyy~  :P
Well, the winner takes it all. I lost my husband to another Pinay that he met online. Now, he is in the Ph and joined her. He left everything because of love (maybe lust), you can't beat that part. But, if he comes back to me and said:"You cant find one like me." Jesus, what I did to deserve a double jeopardy.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2010, 01:38:00 PM »
Well, wolf, let's just say that it is his loss. You deserve better than that, anyway. Truly.

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« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2010, 01:39:24 PM »
Well, wolf, let's just say that it is his loss. You deserve better than that, anyway. Truly.
Of course, things happen for reasons. I always believe that.

OT: am going to bed now, GN Lorenz.

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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2010, 01:40:38 PM »
I have a friend , a very beautiful curvy white woman (she has a very curvy body) and was telling me that the man who she liked was taken; taken by a small sized asian woman. She asked me if there was anything wrong with her. Luoy pood intawn. Guapa ug sexy raba ijang lawas...

ahayyyy~  :P

Mora man ug dakong pagmahay ni Enz, while looking at that "curvy" white body, bwahahahaha! Or is it just a "deep sigh?"  ;D



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« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2010, 01:46:27 PM »
ha ha ha, guapa man gud , Father. Tanaw lang pero wa ning hilabot.

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« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2010, 01:46:57 PM »
Of course, things happen for reasons. I always believe that.

OT: am going to bed now, GN Lorenz.

Good Night, Wolf. Sweat dreams.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2010, 01:47:49 PM »
ha ha ha, guapa man gud , Father. Tanaw lang pero wa ning hilabot.

You sound like Bill Clinton!!!  ;D (Joke only)  ;D


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« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2010, 01:53:34 PM »
LOL!!!

I repeat, "i did not have any sexual relations with that woman..."

;)  :P

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« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2010, 01:56:27 PM »
LOL!!!

I repeat, "i did not have any sexual relations with that woman..."

;)  :P

Now you really sounded like Bill Clinton, "I have no recollection!!!"  ;D


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« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2010, 01:57:24 PM »
lol, ha ha ha. Father, laughing and coffee is such a bad combination. :P

I remember one time when i was watching the clip of clinton denying that, and then the subsequent admission "i did have sexual relations..." oh man. patay ang limod.

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« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2010, 02:25:33 PM »
Well, the winner takes it all. I lost my husband to another Pinay that he met online. Now, he is in the Ph and joined her. He left everything because of love (maybe lust), you can't beat that part. But, if he comes back to me and said:"You cant find one like me." Jesus, what I did to deserve a double jeopardy.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...... super kalingaw....  ;D  ;D  ;D

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« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2010, 03:25:54 PM »
The point of the matter: population is not a hindrance, but rather a source of strength.

India. By the time India gained independence from Britain, her population was at 350 million. Since then, her population has more than tripled. And is one of the largest economies of the world, and rising. The same goes for China, who since the Great Cultural Revolution, the population has risen to some 1.3 Billion and rising (tho minimized due to the one-child policy).

China and India is considered part of the third world, however, rising through heavy modernization. The Philippines falls in this same category. This century , the 21st century, is supposedly orient the world order towards the Asian-Pacific Axis.
China had a one child policy since the time of Deng Xiaoping and they prefer a male child ,most of them when they got pregnant with thier 3 child they go to abortion clinic.That's reality ..So before we fall in the same category as China one child policy might as well start responsible family planning.. ;D ;DChina has proclaimed that it will continue its one child policy, which limits couples to having one child, through the 2006-2010 five year planning period.

China's one child policy was established by Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping in 1979 to limit communist China's population growth. Although designated a "temporary measure," it continues a quarter-century after its establishment. The policy limits couples to one child. Fines, pressures to abort a pregnancy, and even forced sterilization accompanied second or subsequent pregnancies.

It is not an all-encompassing rule because it has always been restricted to ethnic Han Chinese living in urban areas. Citizens living in rural areas and minorities living in China are not subject to the law. However, the rule has been estimated to have reduced population growth in the country of 1.3 billion by as much as 300 million people over its first twenty years.

This rule has caused a disdain for female infants; abortion, neglect, abandonment, and even infanticide have been known to occur to female infants. The result of such Draconian family planning has resulted in the disparate ratio of 114 males for every 100 females among babies from birth through children four years of age. Normally, 105 males are naturally born for every 100 females.

Recent Effects of the One Child Law
Now that millions of sibling-less people in China are now young adults in or nearing their child-bearing years, a special provision allows millions of couples to have two children legally. If a couple is composed of two people without siblings, then they may have two children of their own, thus preventing too dramatic of a population decrease.

Although IUDs, sterilization, and abortion (legal in China) are China's most popular forms of birth control, over the past few years, China has provided more education and support for alternative birth control methods.

Statistically, China's total fertility rate (the number of births per woman) is 1.7, much higher than slowly-declining Germany at 1.4 but lower than the U.S. at 2.1 (2.1 births per woman is the replacement level of fertility, representing a stable population, exclusive of migration).

In 2007, there were reports that in the southwestern Guangxi Autonomous Region of China, officials were forcing pregnant women without permission to give birth to have abortions and levying steep fines on families violating the law. As a result, riots broke out and some may have been killed, including population control officials.

The Future of China's One Child Law
China's eleventh Five-Year Plan Period is from 2006 to 2010. Minister of the State Commission of Population and Family Planning Zhang Weiqing confirmed in early 2006 that China's one child policy is consistent with the nation's plan for population growth and would continue indefinitely. He denied rumors that the policy become less stringent to permit a second child.


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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2010, 03:44:55 PM »
I have a mixed feelings about population control. Abortion is a great No..No to me, but I am leaning on the positive side of contraceptives.

Back to China, according to google, its population is 20% world's total. That means 1 every 5 people is a resident of China. Whewwww!!!!

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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2010, 04:51:07 PM »
I have a mixed feelings about population control. Abortion is a great No..No to me, but I am leaning on the positive side of contraceptives.

Back to China, according to google, its population is 20% world's total. That means 1 every 5 people is a resident of China. Whewwww!!!!

Basta naay tatak "Made in China" sa lubot, Chinese na, bwahahahaha!!!  ;D


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« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2010, 09:04:37 PM »
Basta naay tatak "Made in China" sa lubot, Chinese na, bwahahahaha!!!  ;D

Korek gyud, maskin gani bairan naay tatak. Wala lang ko kakita og lugod nga made in China. Pastilan gikan baya na sa Bohol.

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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2010, 09:24:25 PM »
I have a mixed feelings about population control. Abortion is a great No..No to me, but I am leaning on the positive side of contraceptives.

Back to China, according to google, its population is 20% world's total. That means 1 every 5 people is a resident of China. Whewwww!!!!

The Chinese are an example of human growth throughout the histories. Its rather interesting to see that China has grown to such epic numbers (population ranges) , but then again the land of China has existed for more than 5000 years (older than ancient egypt or even israel). The Chinese have been agrarian farmers throughout most of their vast history, fishing the waters has been almost instinct for them, as well as development of land and the basins around the Yangtze.

The former Chinese leader, Mao Zedong, once said that the strength and treasure of China are not its non renewable/ renewable natural resources , but its people. It is the people of China that produce and make up the state, and it has always been the people to give the mandate of heaven (confucian political thought) to the emperor and or similar governmental unit (in this case, the communist government).

The implementation of the one-child policy will probably be done away with after some generations considering that the Chinese population will begin to fall when the gerontology will die off (a considerable part of the Chinese population are those >60 of age). It will be a necessity that China does away with the one child policy.

In Chinese culture (and i speak because my grandmother was Chinese, and my own mother raised in a Chinese-Filipino household) glorifies children and motherhood as well as fatherhood; especially the male child (for practical and cultural reasons; to carry the family name {Tan being the family surname of my maternal grandmother ; my Lola's line hails from Guangzhou Province, CHINA..}). It is looked kindly by relatives and family friends when a mother and father bear children, especially many children. Children and the abundance thereof represents the wealth and health of a nation, in Chinese culture. In regards to the Philippines, our strong and healthy birth rates (seeding processes) represents the fertility and the longevity of the Filipino and the Filipina. We have always been a prodigious and abundant race.

When the Spaniards arrived, our population was no more than 500,000 as documented by the Augustinian and Dominican missionary priests. By the end of the 19th century, the population had skyrocketed to some 8 million.

In my personal point of view, the racial homogeneity of the Filipino and our healthy birth index represents our growing nation. As compared to many countries in the west (which experience a negative birth index; meaning more people are dyng than being born), the Philippines is the antithesis. We produce 2 million Filipino babies a year, which soon will take up their role in society when they reach of age. I don't see this as a hindrance, but come in accordance with Mao Zedong's thought: "The people are the natural resources of the nation. The People are the future."

The Healthy Birth Rate of the Philippines manifests the longevity and the strength of the Filipino Race. We , unlike many nations, will survive the tests of time, and only through genetic processes can the population of a nation survive climactic events. In biological processes, the more population you have, the greater competitive variance, the higher , more likely for a said species to survive an event.

Life, throughout its forms in biology and in life science will want to procreate. Will want to multiply. The very act of trying to 'limit' a population and actively killing population is in itself unnatural and self-defeating.


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« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2010, 01:27:19 AM »
Bwahahaha.... repost man jud gikan sa FB. Di man lang kay sa Pinas ra ang abuso sa mga kapulisan or military. Even in so-called super power nations mas hadlok paman gani sila kay e salvage lang ka. Wa na dayoy balita. Mismo sa capital sa United States, one of the worst in the world. New Orleans is another.  ???

Lain pod, kung moundang tag gamag mga bata, gamay na lay magminyog mga Amerkano/Europeans nga mahilig ug Asian or Pinay, or kadtong mga Pinay nga gusto mag minyog mga Amerkano or any other nationalities. Gamay nay maka abroad ;D

Hmmmm, basin mao nay ulterior motives ni Clinton da... kay uwaganix ra ba pod to, bwahahaha!  ;D

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« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2010, 02:34:25 AM »
The point that Fr. Roel is trying to get across is that torture and abuses of power are never okay; the said police abuse (clearly its in the Philippines) is not just a problem in the Philippines (and the country being catholic has no bearing or no correlation to this whatsoever) but is a problem in the world and is a trans-humanist phenomenon when there is a lacking in checking of powers. The fact that abuses of power occurs in modernized and supposed legally friendly nations such as the United States indicates that the underlying problem is not primarily a politcal, or on site defciency, but rather is more so an individual psychopathology. This was standardized by the 1971 Stanford Prison Project. Again, this is psychological deficiency on the one peforming the act, not the religious environmental factor upon which the subset took place; the latter never was an issue.
Father Roel merely reiterates the fact that this happened in the Philippnes , it does not put weight on any prejudice towards Filipino police brutality; considering police brutality is quite common even in the United States, Turkey, Russia,China and throughout the world. That was the basis and point of his remark, which I found to be rather honest and didactic.


 

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« Reply #68 on: November 16, 2010, 02:35:32 AM »

Chic lahi ni nga sitwasyon sa water boarding kay ang ilaha ila man pa tug-anon biwan way itug-an, kompara ani nga pahalokon in public pa jud! that was nasty...ug ok diay sa super power countries mo okay ra diay ta nga catholic nation? i dont think so.

MDB, I didn't or never said it's OK. All I'm saying is abuses abound, it doesn't matter where it's happening, ma Pilipinas, ma Iraq or America. What you posted here is not an isolated case, as you try to portray or explain here. That's too simplistic. Tungod ba diay kay pobre ta maong "kita ray" nagbuhat ana? I don't think so. Some people (in every place) do crime and nasty stuff kay naa na silay problema o topak sa ulo hehehe   ???

They have some in Wisconsin, too!!! Maong pagbantay sige!!!  ;D





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« Reply #69 on: November 16, 2010, 02:36:55 AM »
MDB, I didn't or never said it's OK. All I'm saying is abuses abound, it doesn't matter where it's happening, ma Pilipinas, ma Iraq or America. What you posted here is not an isolated case, as you try to portray or explain here. That's too simplistic. Tungod ba diay kay pobre ta maong "kita ray" nagbuhat ana? I don't think so. Some people (in every place) do crime and nasty stuff kay naa na silay problema o topak sa ulo hehehe  ;D



You never did, Father Roel. I think Dabinsi over-analyzed something that was not there.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2010, 02:39:47 AM »
I might remind some individuals here that the police department in Michigan (particularly in around Detroit) are known for their racial descrimination and police brutality towards african-americans and even some minorities; again, there is a rather high amount of crime and police-related crime in that state.

So again, the United States (yes, quite shocking) is not itself free of this phenomenon. :)

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2010, 02:57:25 AM »
You never did, Father Roel. I think Dabinsi over-analyzed something that was not there. :)

Of course not. Every person has different way of seeing things. Lahi sad panan-aw ni MDB, lahi sad akoa. Crimes do not change my outlook on what I kept posting here that "babies are no mistake!" Remote kaayo ang connection even if ultimately poverty, or over-crowdedness, is causing some of society's biggest problems. Individualism, indifference, selfishness, false pride, competition, ETC... these are some of the biggest factors nganong ang pobre sa Pilipinas pobre lang gehapon. Not to mention graft and corruption among our supposedly public servants. And that goes to our Church people too! No one's immunue to these, give or take :(

My father used to fuss at us (everytime he noticed that we don't seem to care about people), "Inyo ramang mga lubot inyong gipakaon." Kamoy na lay sabot kung unsa na...

I salute those who always help or extend a hand/help to people, especially the poor and stangers!  ;)

Naa man joy di katog ani ba kay di moundang si ChicogoN ug post ani nga thread, bwahahaha!!!  ;D

Diskusyon ra bitaw ni so way tihik-tihik. Ang uban nihilom na lang intawon for the sake of TB friendship. I still love my friend MDB (My Paparazzi). You're all still welcome to visit my place... and/or witness Mardi Gras as my guests (kana if you're planning to).  ;D

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2010, 03:26:33 AM »
 sorry Pads but im not yet covince that making more and more babies are good for the country.Too much of everything is not good.I still favor responsible family planning.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2010, 04:24:09 AM »
Sorry Pads but im not yet covince that making more and more babies are good for the country.Too much of everything is not good.I still favor responsible family planning.

I agree with you totally. All I'm saying is "babies are not mistakes." That's why the Church promotes family planning but only the natural way only (while some insist on other ways besides natural). Ang akong ge disagree-han is not family planning, but when SOME say "unwanted children" or over-population is the main cause of poverty (as insinuated by their explaination)... which is totally untrue. That's why I said, there are many other factors too... like graft and corruption, imbalance of world's wealth, competition, or plain indifference. Depende raman na sa nag tan-aw or panan-aw sa tawo. If you think you only live for yourself or for your family, that's what most people tend to do... they work their butts off for themselves and their family's future only.  Because normally mao man jud na. Sa tinuod lang, it's not only the Boholanos who are known for ija-ija aho-aho... it's the whole world, you and I included. Kinsa man goy maningkamot para sa laing tawo (which is absurd to the Jews and a scandal to the Greeks ;D ). Pero mao nay outlook, supposedly, sa mga ni profess the Christian faith... while many ask, "Am I my brothers' keepers?" Mao nay dilemna sa mga ni claim ug Christian faith... kutob ra jod sa ngan (nominal Christians), while the one whom they professed to follow (maski Bible pay pasultion) says otherwise.

As far as Clinton's statement is concerned, I don't really know (none of us know) exactly what he said in totality. Iyahay raman tag comment based on the thread title, sa tinuod lang. That's where I believe the gap in our understanding, or replies, lies. Mao ra god na, it's simply a discussion. For once Clinton said something right... as he, like most Democrats politicians espouse "abortion" or "pro-choice."

Like I said in my previous posting, I said my piece and you said yours. And I respect that. And yet I have to stand firm in my belief (as you do yours). Ug kung adunay magpadayon ug hatag sa ilang pamalandong - which agrees or disagrees with mine - aw, that's what this thread or TB is all about.  It's a battle of the mind... and learning experience at the same time.  ;)

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2010, 04:33:14 AM »
Oh sigi agree na ko nimo nga maghimo ug daghan bata pero maka himo pa ba kaha ko ug bata nga edaran naman ko.hehehe maayo cguro testingan da...hehehe..

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2010, 04:36:31 AM »
Oh sigi agree na ko nimo nga maghimo ug daghan bata pero maka himo pa ba kaha ko ug bata nga edaran naman ko.hehehe maayo cguro testingan da...hehehe..

Mao nay giingon, "That's the spirit! That's the attitude!"  ;)

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« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2010, 04:46:39 AM »
Oh sigi agree na ko nimo nga maghimo ug daghan bata pero maka himo pa ba kaha ko ug bata nga edaran naman ko.hehehe maayo cguro testingan da...hehehe..
Ayaw na paghimo kay daghan pa baya nagplano maghimo iadto nalang na sa uban hahahah kay daghan pud nangandoy magkababy pero wa gihapon grasyahi. Labon tuay mga tawo nga di na unta dapat manganak kay way ibuhi segi pud ug palami. Di ba wa nay lami man siguro magsex ug ang imong bana or asawa nanimahong anuos,nagkagidlay,naay mga anak nanghilak kay gigutom pero bilib ko aning mga klase sa tawo nga bisan sa kalisod mga uwagon gihapon. Ug akoy ma presidente akong pangprisohon ang mga uwagon sa atua nga laki labi na daghan anak kay ug di ni nato ni hatagan action magsegi pa ni sila ug breed murag ok ok hahahah. Usa ra buhian ning mga uwagon ug mohupas na ilang uwag hahahah.


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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2010, 05:12:22 AM »
Usa ka pari taga Loon ni istorya nako a while back, true story daw ni nahitabo sa Sandingan Island, Loon. Ang bana (mangingisda) nihangyo sa iya Misis mag eng-eng anang gabhiona kay way laing lingaw sa isla. Wa mosugot si Misis kay basin ug mabuntis, kay daghan na raba kuno silag anak. Maong nag wild nuon si Mister, gipang labay mga plato ug tasang aluminum... saba kaayo!

Niingon si Misis, "Ajaw'g saba Ping kay mauwaw tas mga silingan. Nangatog na baya sila, basin momata."

Insead nga mohilom, ingon si Mister, "Aaah mauwaw diay ka ha?" Nisamot nuon pag wild si Mister... handtod nga nisugot na lang si Misis aron lang mohilom.

To makie the long story short, naka dama si Mister.

Paghuman daw sa title bout ni Pacquiao ug Margarito, pina tambo dayon sa Mister sa bintana (kanang bintana nga tukoran bitaw ug kahoy), dayon dagkot sigarilyo. (Unya ang mga tawo diay kay nag-atang pod sa gawas, naminaw sa lagubo), dayon ingon samtang nibuhot sa yosi:

"Mao ni kinabuhi, hayahay!"  ;D

Suheto man jod kas Panggangan, 'quel... di lalim kinabuhi sa mga tawo didto no, labi na mga mangingisda nga way laing lingaw. Hehehehe  ;D



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« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2010, 07:02:14 AM »
lol, as i sit down in my apartment and brew a nice cup of Folgers coffee , i must admit, Fr. Roel, that i admire how your display your points and do it so subtly and respectfully.

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« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2010, 08:39:11 AM »
Tumpak kaayo imong sugilanon Dre sa akong point hehehe.Tinuod kaayo na. Kining bana nga di gustuan sa asawa manuyo wa hunahunaa nga madugangan napud ang pakan on. Ka observe ko ani dili sa among isla kundi sa small island sa surigao diin sa nag college pa ko segi ko bisita. Makakita ka ug gamay kaayo nga balay gubaon kaayo,ang mga anak uban naghubo na kay walay sinina unya ang asawa nagkagidlay pero ang bana pahayahay rag panabako ug panigarilyo ug malooy ka mag sud ong maglagot. Mao makaingon jud ko nga ug ako ang naay gahum kining klase sa bana akong pakuhaan ug lagay hahahah kay wa gamita ang utok ang uwag nuon.



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« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2010, 09:07:37 AM »
Usa ka pari taga Loon ni istorya nako a while back, true story daw ni nahitabo sa Sandingan Island, Loon. Ang bana (mangingisda) nihangyo sa iya Misis mag eng-eng anang gabhiona kay way laing lingaw sa isla. Wa mosugot si Misis kay basin ug mabuntis, kay daghan na raba kuno silag anak. Maong nag wild nuon si Mister, gipang labay mga plato ug tasang aluminum... saba kaayo!

Niingon si Misis, "Ajaw'g saba Ping kay mauwaw tas mga silingan. Nangatog na baya sila, basin momata."

Insead nga mohilom, ingon si Mister, "Aaah mauwaw diay ka ha?" Nisamot nuon pag wild si Mister... handtod nga nisugot na lang si Misis aron lang mohilom.

To makie the long story short, naka dama si Mister.

Paghuman daw sa title bout ni Pacquiao ug Margarito, pina tambo dayon sa Mister sa bintana (kanang bintana nga tukoran bitaw ug kahoy), dayon dagkot sigarilyo. (Unya ang mga tawo diay kay nag-atang pod sa gawas, naminaw sa lagubo), dayon ingon samtang nibuhot sa yosi:

"Mao ni kinabuhi, hayahay!"  ;D

Suheto man jod kas Panggangan, 'quel... di lalim kinabuhi sa mga tawo didto no, labi na mga mangingisda nga way laing lingaw. Hehehehe  ;D


Tinuod gyud kay mangingisda man nang akong Tatay, mao nga 7 mi buaw walo unta og wala pa namatayan og usa. Ika-duha ko, bogbog gyud og sugo tapos bantay sa bata, mao nga kada buntis Nanay nako mag-hunger strike ko kay manglaba na pod og lampin maskin 7 pa akong edad, bantay na pod og manghod. Sos, karon kasabot nako nganong mag-away sila kaniadto.

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« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2010, 09:36:26 AM »
Usa ka pari taga Loon ni istorya nako a while back, true story daw ni nahitabo sa Sandingan Island, Loon. Ang bana (mangingisda) nihangyo sa iya Misis mag eng-eng anang gabhiona kay way laing lingaw sa isla. Wa mosugot si Misis kay basin ug mabuntis, kay daghan na raba kuno silag anak. Maong nag wild nuon si Mister, gipang labay mga plato ug tasang aluminum... saba kaayo!

Niingon si Misis, "Ajaw'g saba Ping kay mauwaw tas mga silingan. Nangatog na baya sila, basin momata."

Insead nga mohilom, ingon si Mister, "Aaah mauwaw diay ka ha?" Nisamot nuon pag wild si Mister... handtod nga nisugot na lang si Misis aron lang mohilom.

To makie the long story short, naka dama si Mister.

Paghuman daw sa title bout ni Pacquiao ug Margarito, pina tambo dayon sa Mister sa bintana (kanang bintana nga tukoran bitaw ug kahoy), dayon dagkot sigarilyo. (Unya ang mga tawo diay kay nag-atang pod sa gawas, naminaw sa lagubo), dayon ingon samtang nibuhot sa yosi:

"Mao ni kinabuhi, hayahay!"  ;D

Suheto man jod kas Panggangan, 'quel... di lalim kinabuhi sa mga tawo didto no, labi na mga mangingisda nga way laing lingaw. Hehehehe  ;D



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ag mga silingan nga perting kahimantayon. hahahahahaha...




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« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2010, 09:42:17 AM »
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ag mga silingan nga perting kahimantayon. hahahahahaha...




Oi, welcome back, Bay Glace! Morag usa kas mga silingan nga naminaw sa lagubo, bwahaha!  ;D

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2010, 03:39:13 PM »
Angay tingale papuy-on si Bill Clinton ug Hilary sa isla sa ato - bisag usang semana ra - aron maka amgo sila nga di diay jud lalim ning kinaboheng pobre ug islahanon, unja wa pa gyoy kuryente. Maoy akog magsige's hilak si Hilary matag gabii kay mag bugbog sa lagubo ni Bill Clinton, bwahahaha!!! Wa raba na sila maanad ug daghang silingan. Yayayay!!!  ;D



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« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2010, 08:05:53 PM »
More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton. Nagjaga-jaga man ni si Clinton......,

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« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2010, 09:12:59 PM »
Angay tingale papuy-on si Bill Clinton ug Hilary sa isla sa ato - bisag usang semana ra - aron maka amgo sila nga di diay jud lalim ning kinaboheng pobre ug islahanon, unja wa pa gyoy kuryente. Maoy akog magsige's hilak si Hilary matag gabii kay mag bugbog sa lagubo ni Bill Clinton, bwahahaha!!! Wa raba na sila maanad ug daghang silingan. Yayayay!!!  ;D


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« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2010, 11:58:55 PM »
Oi, welcome back, Bay Glace! Morag usa kas mga silingan nga naminaw sa lagubo, bwahaha!  ;D

hehehehehe...didto mis ilawom sa sawog nga kawayan sa ilang balay nagpahiluna, bay bugs. nindota jud sa kinabuhi.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2010, 12:09:22 AM »
Welcome back , Glacier! It has been such a long time since we last saw your post, welcome back! We missed you here.

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« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2010, 12:39:55 AM »
hehehehehe...didto mis ilawom sa sawog nga kawayan sa ilang balay nagpahiluna, bay bugs. nindota jud sa kinabuhi.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sumpayi na unya tong banagbanag nimo.

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« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2010, 12:55:55 AM »
OT: Raquel, i hear its going to snow raba this coming month? how are the winters in Illinois?  :-[

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« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2010, 10:38:03 AM »
hehehehehe...didto mis ilawom sa sawog nga kawayan sa ilang balay nagpahiluna, bay bugs. nindota jud sa kinabuhi.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bwahahhahaha! tua na ning gimaw na ang amaw! PRONSIT pa jud!

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« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2010, 12:02:49 PM »

more babies hope for the nation

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« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2010, 12:16:58 PM »
Kini daw atong ipangutana sa atong kaugalingon...

Are you a mistake? Would the Philippines have been better off kung wa paka ipanganak sa imong ginikanan kay daghan na jamo ta?

If you are then I rest my case.

If not, is it right to say, "Kining kalibutan o Filipinas" para ra ba ni nato (nga gipanganak na or our kind nga maka afford mobuhi ug bata)? Or, even to say "Para ra ni sa atong mga anak? Apan dili para sa uban, who don't deserve to have babies or don't deserve to be babies? Tsk tsk tsk... tao nga naman.  ???

Balik napod ta ani sa issue sa "nipatong," "naglami" "wa tujoa" "nahubog ko ato na time" "kalimot pamutos" etc

VS

"self-control" "immoralidad " "family planning" etc, bwahahaha!!!  ;D

Sa mga niagi ani - labi na sa mga batan-on pa sila - kahibaw jud nga di ni lalim... basta uwag na ang "maghari." ;D Gawas na lang kung buotan jud na sila sa sila pay mga batan-on... then THEY have the right to form an opinion against this stand or statement!!!

If not, then you're no different from these who keep on making babies, or making mistakes!!!

On my part, padayon kos akong pagtoo nga "babies are no mistake."  :P

What a turnaround then for a Democrat President - a political group which espouses abortion - to finally say "babies are not liabilities, but assets for the country... and for the world in general."  ;)


yeheee!  this is what i have believed in all along... having been born and being thankfully alive today do not give me the privilege to decide on who else will be born or not.  otherwise, what's the use of believing in a higher power? 

aren't some of us here at tb from big families?  aren't we thankful that despite everything, we have become what we are?  do we not trust the strength of the human spirit that can tackle all challenges? 

why should the solutions to economic problems involve the control of births and lives when it has been said many times over that the solution lies in political will that could lead to the equitable distribution of resources?
   



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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2010, 12:23:21 PM »
bill clinton must be a believer of those nobel prize-winning economists who find no correlation between population growth and poverty.  these are the economists who claim that human capital is the ultimate resource.   



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« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2010, 12:30:20 PM »
the philippine catholic church, in a pastoral letter earlier this year, expressed wonder why countries desperate for babies because of below zero replacement fertility rates spend huge sums to encourage their population to increase as they spend huge sums to stop the population growth of countries such as ours.  

such moves call to mind the 1974 national security study memorandum 200 of henry kissinger that claims that the increase of world population is harmful to the interests of the west.  considering the state of replacement fertility rates of first world countries, the population increase being referred to here must be that of third world countries such as ours.  simply put, our population growth is not good for western countries. that could be the reason why they are funding our population control program.  it is not for us.  it is for them.

                                      -(data from ‘A Catechism on Family and Life for the 2010 Elections’ and Wikipedia)



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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2010, 12:34:08 PM »
yeheee!  this is what i have believed in all along... having been born and being thankfully alive today do not give me the privilege to decide on who else will be born or not.  otherwise, what's the use of believing in a higher power? 

aren't some of us here at tb from big families?  aren't we thankful that despite everything, we have become what we are?  do we not trust the strength of the human spirit that can tackle all challenges? 

why should the solutions to economic problems involve the control of births and lives when it has been said many times over that the solution lies in political will that could lead to the equitable distribution of resources?
   





Miss Isles, sa dihang natawo ko sa 1964 (hapit na ako bday) ehehehhee! 5 mi kabuok, dayun sa amo street pila lang mi ka balay. among silingan 4 ang uban 6, ka mga anak, karon kada usa namo naay mga anak 2 ang uban3 ang uban 4 or 5. ang among street napuno na ug mga balay...dayun kada balay naay tindahan! hahahahhhaha! kinsa man mo palit na? anyway, sa among panahon dako pa kaajo ang ma umahan... karon napuno na sa mga balay. sa una ang tuna, barilis, tangigi  kinabaratuhan, karon di na kaajo makita kay gi ban na ang uban isda. gawas ang uban illegal fishing,  di ba lahi ang atong panahon kompara sa una? anyway na simang naman ko ani oi... i still believe in birth control nga sa panahon sa una ginadili...ambut kaha karon ug ginadili pa ba.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2010, 01:10:53 PM »

Miss Isles, sa dihang natawo ko sa 1964 (hapit na ako bday) ehehehhee! 5 mi kabuok, dayun sa amo street pila lang mi ka balay. among silingan 4 ang uban 6, ka mga anak, karon kada usa namo naay mga anak 2 ang uban3 ang uban 4 or 5. ang among street napuno na ug mga balay...dayun kada balay naay tindahan! hahahahhhaha! kinsa man mo palit na? anyway, sa among panahon dako pa kaajo ang ma umahan... karon napuno na sa mga balay. sa una ang tuna, barilis, tangigi  kinabaratuhan, karon di na kaajo makita kay gi ban na ang uban isda. gawas ang uban illegal fishing,  di ba lahi ang atong panahon kompara sa una? anyway na simang naman ko ani oi... i still believe in birth control nga sa panahon sa una ginadili...ambut kaha karon ug ginadili pa ba.

OT:  yeheee!  salamat kay nibalik na ka!  (si scarbzy na pod ang nahilom, huhuhu.)

the scene that you have described is repeated many times over in our country in particular and in the third world in general.  it is as real as you and i are real. 

these days, in our country, it's the difference between responsible parenthood and artificial birth control that's the issue.  if a couple doesn't want more mouths to feed and they feel that more mouths don't necessarily mean more hands that work, then fine.  no one can tell them otherwise.  but they should opt for natural birth control. 

kay di man diay kaya, pugong sa panahon sa tingpugong.  mora na man hinoon ug iresponsable nga gusto rag palami pero di modawat sa responsibilidad nga mao unyay resulta sa palami.

for every sad economic story of big families that are bursting at the seams, there's also a story of big families who have conquered the odds.

naa koy kaila nga 13 sila nga anak.  marginal fisherman ang amahan, housewife and inahan.  each child was precious to the parents.  puro nakahuman ug college tanan.  unbelievable.  giunsa nila pag-invest ug education?  kada naay mahuman, mogasto dayon sa sunod manghod.  kay puro kugihan, hamugaway na ron silang tanan. 

they did not rue the day their parents chose to let them live, they did not blame each other for being born.  rather, they looked at themselves as assets that worked for their mutual gains.           

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« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2010, 01:30:38 PM »

the scene that you have described is repeated many times over in our country in particular and in the third world in general.  it is as real as you and i are real. 

these days, in our country, it's the difference between responsible parenthood and artificial birth control that's the issue.  if a couple doesn't want more mouths to feed and they feel that more mouths don't necessarily mean more hands that work, then fine.  no one can tell them otherwise.  but they should opt for natural birth control. 

kay di man diay kaya, pugong sa panahon sa tingpugong.  mora na man hinoon ug iresponsable nga gusto rag palami pero di modawat sa responsibilidad nga mao unyay resulta sa palami.

for every sad economic story of big families that are bursting at the seams, there's also a story of big families who have conquered the odds.

naa koy kaila nga 13 sila nga anak.  marginal fisherman ang amahan, housewife and inahan.  each child was precious to the parents.  puro nakahuman ug college tanan.  unbelievable.  giunsa nila pag-invest ug education?  kada naay mahuman, mogasto dayon sa sunod manghod.  kay puro kugihan, hamugaway na ron silang tanan. 

they did not rue the day their parents chose to let them live, they did not blame each other for being born.  rather, they looked at themselves as assets that worked for their mutual gains.     
     

Well said, Ms. Isles.  Thank you. ;)


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« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2010, 01:36:11 PM »
yeheee!  this is what i have believed in all along... having been born and being thankfully alive today do not give me the privilege to decide on who else will be born or not.  otherwise, what's the use of believing in a higher power? 

aren't some of us here at tb from big families?  aren't we thankful that despite everything, we have become what we are?  do we not trust the strength of the human spirit that can tackle all challenges? 

why should the solutions to economic problems involve the control of births and lives when it has been said many times over that the solution lies in political will that could lead to the equitable distribution of resources?
   

HAPPY JUBILEE!!!  :)


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