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More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« on: November 13, 2010, 07:22:49 AM »
By Michael Lim Umbac

Former US President Bill Clinton sees more babies as an advantage for the Philippines, whose exploding population is projected to reach 94 million by the end of the year.

That cheerful note was sounded Friday by Parañaque Representative Roilo Golez, quoting Clinton who spoke on “the challenge of globalization” on Wednesday at the Manila Hotel.

As highly industrialized nations grapple with the economic and social costs of an aging population, Clinton noted that “you [Filipinos] have a huge population, which is [something] positive, and you have massive natural resources.”

Golez capitalized on that statement to hit back at his colleagues advocating the passage of the long-pending reproductive health (RH) bill that upholds maternal health and seeks to provide couples an informed choice on various methods of family planning.


“Obviously, Clinton can see and understand what procontraceptives people refuse to see—that our people, our children and our babies, present and future, are assets and not liabilities,” Golez said in a text message.

The Population Commission says that some two million Filipino babies are born annually, representing a population growth rate of 2.04 percent.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2010, 10:06:09 AM »
Sayon ra niya pagsulti kay dili man siya ang mobuhi, usa ra man gani iya
 nahimo, unya  magsinardinas na sa kahuot sa kanihit sa lugar  sa Pinas.... ::)

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 10:44:47 AM »
That's impressive to hear that the Philippines produces 2 million Filipino babies per annum. We are a nation maker. The population of Sweden is 9 million, the population of Israel is 5 million, the population of The Netherlands is 15 million.

Within 4.5 years, the philippines can make Sweden. Within 2+ years, the Philippines can create an Israel. Within 7.5 years, the Philippines can create a Netherlands.


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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 02:33:30 PM »
Unsa may nahitabo sa atong population program.? nga more babies na man hinoon.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 03:43:29 PM »
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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 05:49:40 PM »


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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 06:40:43 PM »
Maayo lang ni si Clinton ug ang ubang mga tawo mosulti ug more babies unya dili man sila mohatag hinabang para sa mga bata nga nanginahanlan ,Out of touch ni sila sa reality ug unsa na ang kahimtang sa pilipinas.Kalami ba anang mo himo ug daghan nga bata pero sila ba ang mopakaon ug mogasto sa pageskwela..Pagmata na mo oy!!!!

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2010, 01:05:15 AM »
Kini daw atong ipangutana sa atong kaugalingon...

Are you a mistake? Would the Philippines have been better off kung wa paka ipanganak sa imong ginikanan kay daghan na jamo ta?

If you are then I rest my case.

If not, is it right to say, "Kining kalibutan o Filipinas" para ra ba ni nato (nga gipanganak na or our kind nga maka afford mobuhi ug bata)? Or, even to say "Para ra ni sa atong mga anak? Apan dili para sa uban, who don't deserve to have babies or don't deserve to be babies? Tsk tsk tsk... tao nga naman.  ???

Balik napod ta ani sa issue sa "nipatong," "naglami" "wa tujoa" "nahubog ko ato na time" "kalimot pamutos" etc

VS

"self-control" "immoralidad " "family planning" etc, bwahahaha!!!  ;D

Sa mga niagi ani - labi na sa mga batan-on pa sila - kahibaw jud nga di ni lalim... basta uwag na ang "maghari." ;D Gawas na lang kung buotan jud na sila sa sila pay mga batan-on... then THEY have the right to form an opinion against this stand or statement!!!

If not, then you're no different from these who keep on making babies, or making mistakes!!!

On my part, padayon kos akong pagtoo nga "babies are no mistake."  :P

What a turnaround then for a Democrat President - a political group which espouses abortion - to finally say "babies are not liabilities, but assets for the country... and for the world in general."  ;)

 




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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2010, 01:15:08 AM »
Make babies in a responsible way nga pagdako nila naa ipakaon ug pa eskwela ang mga ginikanan.para tawon dili ma pareho sa mga bata dihang mga yagit nga bisan asa nalang matulog ug mamunit sa basurahan sa MC Donalds sa ilang panimudto.Now this is where family planning come in,natural or artificial its not for me to say,depende na kana sa mag asawa..Let us be a responsible parents..

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2010, 01:19:28 AM »
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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2010, 01:25:31 AM »
But the reality (also) is....

Daghan gihapon gipang-anak o ipanganak out in some irresponsible ways...

Are these babies mistakes then?

This is where I repeat my stand, "NO, they are not!"

And they deserve this world or the Philippiens just as much (as I do).



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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 01:38:55 AM »
But the reality (also) is....

Daghan gihapon gipang-anak o ipanganak out in some irresponsible ways...

Are these babies mistakes then?

This is where I repeat my stand, "NO, they are not!"

And they deserve this world or the Philippiens just as much (as I do).


Mao lagi gyud ang problema kay naa man gyud bata nga ipanganak in some irresponsible way.. mao nga maayo cguro ug naay mga departamento sa gobyerno nga motabang nila ang kaso lang wala man sa pilipinas..Pagdagko ining mga bata tungod sa environmental factors 80 percent nila mahimong tulisan,k******n,drug addict,drug pusher,rapist,prostitute ,they do more harm to society than doing good.Ug unsa man galing ang maayong solution ini nga problema mangutana kuno ta sa mga Sociology graduates nga member sa TB..

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 02:09:29 AM »
What a turnaround then for a Democrat President - a political group which espouses abortion - to finally say "babies are not liabilities, but assets for the country... and for the world in general."  ;)
Nalipay bitaw ko pagkabasa ani Dre nga medyo na shock kay knowing Clinton pero he gain my respect. Tinuod man siya good for Philippines gyud. Ug buot hunahunaon atong mga ginikanan  ug mga ginikanan sa atong mga ginikanan tagpila ang anak kasagaran moaabot ug 15 ang pinakaubos  unom ang anak daghan tag story nakat unan nila sa ilang kalisod ug paningkamot ug mostly sa product sa big family puro successful kay isi man ug paningkamot tua ang pagtinabangay. Unsa may nakalahi sa una ug karon? Walay kalainan gawas nga sa una ang ginikanan nga naabot ug sobra sa dosena ang anak munamunang kayod aron naay ikapakaon sa iyang mga anak ikapaedukar pero ang karon nga generation maghulat ug goberno mismo mohungit nila. Kadaghan kapanginabuhian ug dili lang tapuwan. Nganong daghan bata halos way kaon sa atua kay ang amahan makasapi gani deretso tagay ug sugal. 

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2010, 02:52:34 AM »
I suggest that the next time Clinton visit the Philippines he will visit the slums of Tondo and the esteros of Pasig and feel for himself what its like to live there, 3 family's in one shack with more than ten children all together.No privacy no furniture lucky to have a television,refregerator is a luxury.One meal a day.What did he do while staying in the Philippines,,staying in a five star hotel, taking the Limo from one place to another,i bet he doesn'nt stop in the middle of his destination take a walk and talk to the masses.Or go to Divisoria to bargain with the vendors.And all of a sudden he decides that it is a good thing for Pilipinos to make more babies.Oh!Come on he can think much better than that.Or i will say that Alzheimers are slowly creeping into his brain..Life in Tondo Slums, Manila, Philippines

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2010, 03:20:01 AM »
This is the reality of what is happening to most part of the Philippines.Most of the members of TB who are staying overseas,They take the plane from Naia to Bohol .Upon arriving Tagbilaran they go  to the comfort of thier multi million homes,or to the nice hotels,eat at fine restaurant.Ride on thier car.Most of them living on thier own world.But are you aware of the true condition of the 80 percent of the pilipino population..If you are staying most of your time in Bohol then you do not really see what happening outside your own protected world.Go to Manila ,visit Tondo you can take a taxi and just cruise by or to Divisoria or even to Quiapo.And you will see the reality of life..They dont call Philippines 3rd world for nothing..philippines street children and beggars

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2010, 08:31:47 AM »
Kahibaw na siya Bay Gwaps. Yes, President Clinton is rich and powerful (wa na tay mahimo ana) but he knows the plight of the poor people being the President of the United States. And as a former President, he does a lot of charity works - maski palakero pana siya  before and probably still now (hahaha). He has also helped a lot of people both from Third World countries and locally... probably more than all of us here at TB combined. It's all perception... and presidents included, at times, they don't get the respect they deserved because of who they are. But they do, sometimes, that we don't know about. I for one can attest to his charity works because our community (my parish) is one of the many recipients of the Presidentd Bush & Clinton grant after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.



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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 08:49:14 AM »
Kahibaw na siya Bay Gwaps. Yes, President Clinton is rich and powerful (wa na tay mahimo ana) but he knows the plight of the poor people being the President of the United States. And as a former President, he does a lot of charity works - maski palakero pana siya  before and probably still now (hahaha). He has also helped a lot of people both from Third World countries and locally... probably more than all of us here at TB combined. It's all perception... and presidents included, at times, they don't get the respect they deserved because of who they are. But they do, sometimes, that we don't know about. I for one can attest to his charity works because our community (my parish) is one of the many recipients of the Presidentd Bush & Clinton grant after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.


Yes, I can vouch for this too because he spearheaded a campaign for the victims of Katrina. The Bush and Clinton tandem in 2005 for the victims of Katrina gained popular support all over the world. We helped also in our own little ways.

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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2010, 08:49:54 AM »
I'm just happy to hear that for once Clinton said something "right" - at least from my perspective. The Catholic Church thinks the same way: "Babies are no mistakes!" They deserve to live just as all of us. I lived in the slums of San Jose Resettlement Area (1980) and Bagong Bayan, Dasmariñas, Cavite (1982), and 3 months in Tondo (during my regency year in 1980) and among fishermen of Cavite City during my activism and/or part of my apostolate days as a student. Yes, these are very poor.. and often, a product of irresponsible parenthood and/or arratic government/s... but nonetheless they are still human beings who deserve to live with dignity and respect. They are not all bad (although many are victims of circumstances). Many of them have been successful to this day. I'm still in contact with a few of them who now live in the U.S. (who are not poor anymore). Dili baya na sila tanan k******n, drug victims, etc. just because they are poor and basically come from families who have nothing. In other words, dili pod nato ma generalize as altogether "bad" by-products of poverty. Kung sinagoyon pagkasulti... on the contrary, daghan pod gikan sa mga maayong pamilya and affluent classes... pero ang mga kanahan man hinooy big time "k******n" "drug users" who are sitting in big offices and sometimes along the hallways of our capitol buildings or Congress, bwahahaha. If you know what I mean.  ;D


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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2010, 08:58:29 AM »
Agree gyud ko sa imo Father about sa babies. Our children deserve something better, deserve a society that cares, a government that prioritized their welfare, citizens that provide them with proper guidance to become wholesome citizens in the future.



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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2010, 10:01:25 AM »
I'm just happy to hear that for once Clinton said something "right" - at least from my perspective. The Catholic Church thinks the same way: "Babies are no mistakes!" They deserve to live just as all of us. I lived in the slums of San Jose Resettlement Area (1980) and Bagong Bayan, Dasmariñas, Cavite (1982), and 3 months in Tondo (during my regency year in 1980) and among fishermen of Cavite City during my activism and/or part of my apostolate days as a student. Yes, these are very poor.. and often, a product of irresponsible parenthood and/or arratic government/s... but nonetheless they are still human beings who deserve to live with dignity and respect. They are not all bad (although many are victims of circumstances). Many of them have been successful to this day. I'm still in contact with a few of them who now live in the U.S. (who are not poor anymore). Dili baya na sila tanan k******n, drug victims, etc. just because they are poor and basically come from families who have nothing. In other words, dili pod nato ma generalize as altogether "bad" by-products of poverty. Kung sinagoyon pagkasulti... on the contrary, daghan pod gikan sa mga maayong pamilya and affluent classes... pero ang mga kanahan man hinooy big time "k******n" "drug users" who are sitting in big offices and sometimes along the hallways of our capitol buildings or Congress, bwahahaha. If you know what I mean.  ;D


You said it all, Father Roel. All and more. :)

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2010, 11:16:15 AM »
kinsay nag ingon nga mistake to have babies? it is the parent's mistake to f&&&&k without planning what they could do with their children. pero tan awa ang pilipinas arang gamaya ang mga balay nag tapot na ug maajo asa naman dayun mag garden ang gma tawo? bisan unsaon ninyo ug hunahuna ( religion ipadaplin) unsaon naman pag pakaon ang mga tawo sa kalibutan???? hunahunaa ninyo oi. ang mga isda gamay nalang. ang mga corn gamay nalang sad kay gihimo na ug fuel. ang mga forest upao na wa nay kahoy, ang mga animals gipang mass produce gipang enhance para dali ra mo tubo to meet the demands of the over population and thus creates too many illnesses...i set aside sa nato ang ideology lets think of reality.

capitalist countries always want the poor countries to be poor... kay ug puro nalang dato ang mga nasud kinsa naman lang mohimo sa ilang sapatos ug medyas???? Norway? Sweden?Australia?  it is the poor coutry. look at all the labels everytime you put on your clothes or underwear...kamo na  say sumpay.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2010, 02:30:39 PM »
Everything is ideology, in a way, including our respective opinions. The question is how is our opinion formed. Dili man pod basta2x pwede ipadaplin ang religion, because on my part I was formed mainly by my religious faith, not by political nor any other ideology. If you are formed by your secular outlook, that is how you will also judge things. I said my "informed" opinion and you said yours.



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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 03:06:00 PM »
I go with the idea of responsible parent and also responsible family planning. 

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2010, 12:22:37 AM »
If we array the countries of the world according to population density, and then look at the rate of economic growth, we see that it is the more densely-populated countries-such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Holland, Japan-that are growing faster, and that the less-densely populated countries-such as those in Africa-are growing at slower rates.

The view that I have expressed to you thus far is precisely the view held by experts on these topics. Every agricultural economist knows that people have been eating better since World War II, the period for which we have data. Every resource economist knows that natural resources have become cheaper rather than more expensive. Every demographer knows that life expectancy in the wealthy countries has gone up from under 30 years at birth 200 years ago to over 75 years at birth today. And life expectancy has risen in the poor countries from perhaps 35 years at birth only 50 years ago to 60-65-70 years at birth today. Those are the facts which are known by the economists and demographers who study these subjects.

Malthusian common sense is a very attractive idea. But the heart of the growth of civilizations and economies is the non-Malthusian adjustment process that is inevitably complex, and indeed counter-intuitive. The common-sensical Malthusian view sees only the short term rather than the long term. But in the long term these adjustment processes tend to produce opposite results to what the short term results happen to be. Here we should note that science is only interesting when it produces results which are the opposite of common sense.

we have solid statistical evidence about the determinants of economic development. What could only be said on economic faith 30 years ago, we can now document scientifically. We now know statistically that what David Hume wrote on the subject in the 1700s was exactly right. When identifying why Holland was the richest country in Europe, Hume said that “Liberty, necessity, and a multitude of people” were the causes.

A free society with social rules enables people to exercise their talents for their own sakes. This inevitably benefits others by bringing forth prodigious productive efforts which cause growth. And each generation creates a little bit more than it uses. Hence each new generation is richer than the previous generation.



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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 12:38:38 AM »
Everything is ideology, in a way, including our respective opinions. The question is how is our opinion formed. Dili man pod basta2x pwede ipadaplin ang religion, because on my part I was formed mainly by my religious faith, not by political nor any other ideology. If you are formed by your secular outlook, that is how you will also judge things. I said my "informed" opinion and you said yours.



Absolutely, and Totally, Father Roel. Every philosophical thought/standing follows some kind of ideologue. Why even secularism is in itself an ideology. Voltaire once taught to his students in the penny coffee shops of pre-revolutionary France on the importance of thought and ideology. Religious thought, secularist thought, republican thought, royalist thought etc all follow an ideology.

In fact, humans, by the basis of our moral reasoning, thanks in mind to the breadth of our anatomical structure (namely, the cerebral cortex), will always follow an ideology.

Those that try to counter by claiming anarchism as an answer are themselves deaf and too closed minded because anarchism is also an ideology. An ideology that teaches the unimportance of government etc.

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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2010, 01:06:47 AM »
The American Industrial Revolution: A Case Study

by: Lorenzo Lucino

During the early 19th century, the United States of America, experienced what many of my colleagues in the field of American History , and World History, would say as a national transformation. The beginning of what American Historians would call as “The Great American Manifest Destiny”. During this time period, the United States was not considered a world player, as of yet, most of continental Europe were the key players. The British and their overseas empire, which at the time controlled over 1/4th of the world’s land mass, the French with their empire in Indochina, and the heartlands of Africa and parts of the Caribbean; The Dutch and their empire in Africa as well as in the Dutch Malacas (Present day Indonesia).

The United States at this time period was experiencing a rising immigration rate; from Russia, Prussia (Germany), France, Austria-Hungary, Norway, England, Italy and this translated in a massive population boom. Considering the time , there were no such birth agendas, population-check agencies as now, and thus the United States’ population doubled , then tripled in number within the successive generations.
The increased population lead to demographic problems at first, however, were the basis for the industrialization of the country. The population was utilized to build and settle the uncharted areas o the country, colonizing most of Midwestern America, as well as the western basins of California. The building of the railway systems during the mid to late 19th century not only connected continental America for the first time, but allowed the transportation and facilitation of growth in the fringe locations of the country. Agriculture and the agrarian system was utilized in unison with industrial and manufacturing that steamed the United States towards a global role. And it was the population, the natural resources, that allowed the country to transform itself as a 3rd world, backwards former-colony into the leading economic, military and political hyperpower that it is to this day.

The Philippines’ population, natural resources, our rich and expensive islands and coastal areas are all factors for our potential for national greatness and growth.

I do not see the Philippines as a ‘sick man of asia’ and do not see it as a paralytic as what many of you would mention in your descriptives. On the contrary, I see the Philippines as a nation that is on the verge of national growth and future greatness. I believe that the Philippines, like most countries in the world and throughout history, has not yet experienced its ‘time in the sun’. The Republic of the Philippines has the potential, with our innate richness (population, healthy population, active work force, educated populace, cohesive characteristic of Filipinos in general, immense natural resources), to be come a regional and possibly a global power.

As nations such as Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Bulgaria and many western countries, are suffering from a falling population, the Philippines is reaching the 100 million mark. Our country is not weak, not paralytic, but growing, fertile, and ready to boom.
I have been to the Philippines for the first time in 12 years and with my own eyes have seen how much it has grown, improved, and modernized since I was last home in 1998. The country is not as poor and destitute as what others would say. It is growing. And thus following the common trends on national progression towards 1st worldom.  





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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2010, 04:03:17 AM »
kiat lang na si clinton. usa ra man gani iyang anak nya maghisgot na nuon siya ug daghang baby. mao sigurong nangabit siya ni monica lewinsky. motoo ko niya kung iyang ingnon iyang anak kinsa bag-o pang naminyo nga manganak sila ug daghan.

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2010, 04:07:07 AM »
kiat lang na si clinton. usa ra man gani iyang anak nya maghisgot na nuon siya ug daghang baby. mao sigurong nangabit siya ni monica lewinsky. motoo ko niya kung iyang ingnon iyang anak kinsa bag-o pang naminyo nga manganak sila ug daghan.
Sa America man god dili lagi uso ang daghang anak kay mahal kaayo. Dili man ang lalaki dire ang dile gusto, kasagaran mga babaye ang gusto og gamy ra nga anak.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2010, 05:55:07 AM »
I go with the idea of responsible parent and also responsible family planning. 

The Catholic Church, too... responsible family planning and parenthood. Pero they insist on natural planning (as of yet)  ;D

Addendum: As far as I know the Bishops of Canada pay wala kauyon aning stand sa Catholic Church sa natural family planning (part of it).


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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2010, 06:13:55 AM »
In my humble opinion, the poor masses (children included) are not the cause of poverty... rather, they are the biggest victims of dire poverty.

Kung akong ig-agaw pa pasultion (Dr. Brydz), who I've heard many times and made me reflect many a-times, moingon man jud to ba, "Magbuot ba diay mog manganak pod mi bisag pobre mi... kamo ba diay nipalit ug gatas og bugas para ipakaon sa among mga anak?" "Nganong kami may basolon nga mangisda pod sa dagat, injo ra ba diay nang dagat? Nganong moingon man mo nga gamay nay nahabiling isda o uban pang seafood... para sa mga dato ra ba diay na o sa mga na tawo sa una?"  ;D

We can't blame poverty alone to over-population. It's a phenomenon we can't control (although many have tried). Lami god unta kong ma control pa ang over-population because it would be big help sa mga nasud nga nagka lisod2x... but to say "babies born out of poverty and irresponsible actions of irresponsible parents" are the cause of our present poverty is just as absurd.

Kung naa pa lay voice ning mga bataa, in effect mao ni ilang isulti:

"Ngeee, pasanginlan ma mi ninyo!"  ;D

"Kamo ra gani naay sweldo (piece of the pie), not us!!!  ;D

Uwagan pod, not us!!! (kay mga bata pa mi)"   ;D


 

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2010, 06:39:29 AM »
In my humble opinion, the poor masses (children included) are not the cause of poverty... rather, they are the biggest victims of dire poverty.

Kung akong ig-agaw pa pasultion (Dr. Brydz), who I've heard many times and made me reflect many a-times, moingon man jud to ba, "Magbuot ba diay mog manganak pod mi bisag pobre mi... kamo ba diay nipalit ug gatas og bugas para ipakaon sa among mga anak?" "Nganong kami may basolon nga mangisda pod sa dagat, injo ra ba diay nang dagat? Nganong moingon man mo nga gamay nay nahabiling isda o uban pang seafood... para sa mga dato ra ba diay na o sa mga na tawo sa una?"  ;D

We can't blame poverty alone to over-population. It's a phenomenon we can't control (although many have tried). Lami god unta kong ma control pa ang over-population because it would be big help sa mga nasud nga nagka lisod2x... but to say "babies born out of poverty and irresponsible actions of irresponsible parents" are the cause of our present poverty is just as absurd.

Kung naa pa lay voice ning mga bataa, in effect mao ni ilang isulti:

"Ngeee, pasanginlan ma mi ninyo!"  ;D

"Kamo ra gani naay sweldo (piece of the pie), not us!!!  ;D

Uwagan pod, not us!!! (kay mga bata pa mi)"   ;D


 

The Holy Spirit speaks in this post. Praise be to God!

It's always without hindsight does one think that poverty can be totally defeated. Why even in the United States, as a 1st world nation (hyperpower) and one that has the largest economy in the world (14 Trillion Dollar Economy), still we have poor and destitute people in the nation. In fact, poverty is not something that will be done away with, many political ideologies that claim to solve the poverty issue are not only lying to themselves and to the masses. Soviet Communism , which began with the Bolshevik Revolution claimed to bring a new hope and end the poverty of the masses and to deliver the people from the authoritative regime of the Romanov Dynasty (Russian Czarism) , however, did such a utopia ever manifest? No. Russian Communism brought backwardness, unhindered industrialism to the states, abuses of power by those in the communist party, so bad that the very political system that the Russians had lived in collapsed by the end of the early 1990s. Political agendas are never constant ; neither are their promises.

In fact, Communism claimed to curve poverty and exterminate it from its borders. Rubbish.

Poverty, my friends, is something that will always will be. Jesus Christ was born , himself, into poverty, lived with those who were poor (some 2000 years ago) and the truth of the matter is that poverty will never disappear. It cannot. It will not.

I'll end this a biblical verse that best coincides with what Father Roel is saying, and I thought it pertinent to add, for those who are open to biblical verses (of course) :)


Nevertheless, just as YOU are abounding in everything, in faith and word and knowledge and all earnestness and in this love of ours to YOU, may YOU also abound in this kind giving.

8 It is not in the way of commanding YOU, but in view of the earnestness of others and to make a test of the genuineness of YOUR love, that I am speaking. 9 For YOU know the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich he became poor for YOUR sakes, that YOU might become rich through his poverty.


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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2010, 06:49:38 AM »
Father Roel, tell Dr. Byrdz that what he said was not only poignant, but speaks truth (also tell him that he has an amazing voice!) lol.

Truly, not all the poor deserve death nor should they be told to limit themselves. Who are we to tell them what to do? We can't even solve some of our own problems in our lives, let alone telling who should be born or not born!

Friends, brothers and sisters, Our Savior Jesus Christ was born poor. In fact, he was considered poor of the poor; he was not born in a hospital, but in an animal's manger. He was chased with his mother and earthly father, Joseph, escaping the sword of Herod. By telling the poor that they have no right to have children, let alone use such degrading words about what they should and should not do, one is condemning life. Who are you to condemn life? Is life given to you? Of course. As it is , given to those who live and have the right to live an honest and good life.

Jesus Christ, did not choose to be born amongst the rich, or an earthly king,...but amongst the poor.

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2010, 07:37:18 AM »
capitalist countries always want the poor countries to be poor... kay ug puro nalang dato ang mga nasud kinsa naman lang mohimo sa ilang sapatos ug medyas???? Norway? Sweden?Australia?  it is the poor coutry. look at all the labels everytime you put on your clothes or underwear...kamo na  say sumpay.

Poor countries work hard to make rich countries richer. In protest, wa na koy sul-ob-sul-ob og underwear...  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2010, 08:10:25 AM »
capitalist countries always want the poor countries to be poor... kay ug puro nalang dato ang mga nasud kinsa naman lang mohimo sa ilang sapatos ug medyas???? Norway? Sweden?Australia?  it is the poor coutry. look at all the labels everytime you put on your clothes or underwear...kamo na  say sumpay.

China has the most labels you can find around hehehe (see Walmart)... and yet considered one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful. It has the most population, too. Once called the "Sleeping Giant" they now service loans to the United States and other supposedly super-power nations.  ;D  

And outside the big cities... they too have so many poor. Unbelievably poor for a rich country like China!!!  ???

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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 08:28:59 AM »
Did you also read the news report? China , this year alone, purchased more automobiles for domestic use than the United States.

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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2010, 08:37:32 AM »
The point of the matter: population is not a hindrance, but rather a source of strength.

India. By the time India gained independence from Britain, her population was at 350 million. Since then, her population has more than tripled. And is one of the largest economies of the world, and rising. The same goes for China, who since the Great Cultural Revolution, the population has risen to some 1.3 Billion and rising (tho minimized due to the one-child policy).

China and India is considered part of the third world, however, rising through heavy modernization. The Philippines falls in this same category. This century , the 21st century, is supposedly orient the world order towards the Asian-Pacific Axis.

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Re: More Babies Good for the Philippines, says Bill Clinton
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2010, 10:44:27 AM »
sigi lang ta hisgut ug power! tan awa sa mapa unsa kadak-a ang china compara sa pinas.  pwerte pa silang daghanang natural resources natural maka accommodate sila sa ilang mga tawo. kita karon kay arang daghana naman nganong wa man tay maayong produkto para export? nganong gamay ra sad naghimo ug factories sa atoa kompara sa india?  daghan nurse pero way nag hire? naa noon daghan baligya baje...ayaw mo kalagut kay tinuod jud na.
 gusto mo ma preha ta sa india? pila ang income per capita versus strenght??????? famine vs food?
agi noon sa kadaghan sa tawo mao ni nahitabo oh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWl2rW_K3WQ&feature=player_embedded#!

mga holdaper daw ni sila. and who are you blaming here? the police? holdaper? the parents? their wives? or what???

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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2010, 11:02:56 AM »
Bwahahaha.... repost man jud gikan sa FB. Di man lang kay sa Pinas ra ang abuso sa mga kapulisan or military. Even in so-called super power nations mas hadlok paman gani sila kay e salvage lang ka. Wa na dayoy balita. Mismo sa capital sa United States, one of the worst in the world. New Orleans is another.  ???

Lain pod, kung moundang tag gamag mga bata, gamay na lay magminyog mga Amerkano/Europeans nga mahilig ug Asian or Pinay, or kadtong mga Pinay nga gusto mag minyog mga Amerkano or any other nationalities. Gamay nay maka abroad ;D

Hmmmm, basin mao nay ulterior motives ni Clinton da... kay uwaganix ra ba pod to, bwahahaha!  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2010, 12:10:13 PM »
Bwahahaha.... repost man jud gikan sa FB. Di man lang kay sa Pinas ra ang abuso sa mga kapulisan or military. Even in so-called super power nations mas hadlok paman gani sila kay e salvage lang ka. Wa na dayoy balita. Mismo sa capital sa United States, one of the worst in the world. New Orleans is another.  ???

Lain pod, kung moundang tag gamag mga bata, gamay na lay magminyog mga Amerkano/Europeans nga mahilig ug Asian or Pinay, or kadtong mga Pinay nga gusto mag minyog mga Amerkano or any other nationalities. Gamay nay maka abroad ;D

Hmmmm, basin mao nay ulterior motives ni Clinton da... kay uwaganix ra ba pod to, bwahahaha!  ;D

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