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Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« on: June 15, 2009, 01:54:05 AM »

 THE SOUR SOP (Guyabano)

The Sour Sop or the fruit from the graviola tree is a miraculous natural cancer cell killer 10,000 times stronger than Chemo ...

 

Why are we not aware of this? Its because some big corporation want to make back their money spent on years of research by trying to make a synthetic version of it for sale.

So, since you know it now you can help a friend in need by letting him know or just drink some sour sop juice yourself as a prevention from time to time. The taste is not bad afterall. Its completely natural and definitely has no side effects. If you have the space plant one in your garden. The other parts of the tree are also useful.

The next time you have a fruit juice, ask for a sour sop.

shfoong: guyabano.





How many people died in vain while this billion-dollar
drug maker concealed the secret of the miraculous Graviola tree?
 


If there ever was a single example that makes it dramatically clear why the existence of Health Sciences Institute is so vital to Americans like you, it's the incredible story behind the Graviola tree.

The truth is stunningly simple: Deep within the Amazon Rainforest grows a tree that could literally revolutionize what you, your doctor, and the rest of the world thinks about cancer treatment and chances of survival. The future has never looked more promising.

Research shows that with extracts from this miraculous tree it now may be possible to....

Attack cancer safely and effectively with an all-natural therapy that does not cause extreme nausea, weight loss and hair loss
Protect your immune system and avoid deadly infections
Feel stronger and healthier throughout the course of the treatment
Boost your energy and improve your outlook on life
The source of this information is just as stunning: It comes from one of America 's largest drug manufacturers, the fruit of over 20 laboratory tests conducted since the 1970's! What those tests revealed was nothing short of mind numbing... Extracts from the tree were shown to:

Effectively target and kill malignant cells in 12 types of cancer, including colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreatic cancer.
The tree compounds proved to be up to 10,000 times stronger in slowing the growth of cancer cells than Adriamycin, a commonly used chemotherapeutic drug!
What's more, unlike chemotherapy, the compound extracted from the Graviola tree selectively hunts down and kills only cancer cells. It does not harm healthy cells!
The amazing anti-cancer properties of the Graviola tree have been extensively researched--so why haven't you heard anything about it? If Graviola extract is as half as promising as it appears to be--why doesn't every single oncologist at every major hospital insist on using it on all his or her patients?

The spine-chilling answer illustrates just how easily our health--and for many, our very lives(!)--are controlled by money and power.

Graviola--the plant that worked too well


One of America 's biggest billion-dollar drug makers began a search for a cancer cure and their research centered on Graviola, a legendary healing tree from the Amazon Rainforest.

Various parts of the Graviola tree--including the bark, leaves, roots, fruit and fruit-seeds--have been used for centuries by medicine men and native Indians in South America to treat heart disease, asthma, liver problems and arthritis. Going on very little documented scientific evidence, the company poured money and resources into testing the tree's anti-cancerous properties--and were shocked by the results. Graviola proved itself to be a cancer-killing dynamo.

But that's where the Graviola story nearly ended.

The company had one huge problem with the Graviola tree--it's completely natural, and so, under federal law, not patentable. There's no way to make serious profits from it.

It turns out the drug company invested nearly seven years trying to synthesize two of the Graviola tree's most powerful anti-cancer ingredients. If they could isolate and produce man-made clones of what makes the Graviola so potent, they'd be able to patent it and make their money back. Alas, they hit a brick wall. The original simply could not be replicated. There was no way the company could protect its profits--or even make back the millions it poured into research.

As the dream of huge profits evaporated, their testing on Graviola came to a screeching halt. Even worse, the company shelved the entire project and chose not to publish the findings of its research!

Luckily, however, there was one scientist from the Graviola research team whose conscience wouldn't let him see such atrocity committed. Risking his career, he contacted a company that's dedicated to harvesting medical plants from the Amazon Rainforest and blew the whistle.



Miracle unleashed



When researchers at the Health Sciences Institute were alerted to the news of Graviola, they began tracking the research done on the cancer-killing tree. Evidence of the astounding effectiveness of Graviola--and its shocking cover-up--came in fast and furious.....

......The National Cancer Institute performed the first scientific research in 1976. The results showed that Graviola's "leaves and stems were found effective in attacking and destroying malignant cells." Inexplicably, the results were published in an internal report and never released to the public...

....Since 1976, Graviola has proven to be an immensely potent cancer killer in 20 independent laboratory tests, yet no double-blind clinical trials--the typical benchmark mainstream doctors and journals use to judge a treatment's value--were ever initiated...

.......A study published in the Journal of Natural Products, following a recent study conducted at Catholic University of South Korea stated that one chemical in Graviola was found to selectively kill colon cancer cells at "10,000 times the potency of (the commonly used chemotherapy drug) Adriamycin..."

....The most significant part of the Catholic University of South Korea report is that Graviola was shown to selectively target the cancer cells, leaving healthy cells untouched. Unlike chemotherapy, which indiscriminately targets all actively reproducing cells (such as stomach and hair cells), causing the often devastating side effects of nausea and hair loss in cancer patients.

....A study at Purdue University recently found that leaves from the Graviola tree killed cancer cells among six human cell lines and were especially effective against prostate, pancreatic and lung cancers...



Seven years of silence broken--it's finally here!



A limited supply of Graviola extract, grown and harvested by indigenous people in Brazil , is finally available in America .

The full Graviola story--including where you can get it and how to use it--is included in Beyond Chemotherapy: New Cancer Killers, Safe as Mother's Milk, a Health Sciences Institute FREE special bonus report on natural substances that will effectively revolutionize the fight against cancer.
This crucial report (along with five more FREE reports) is yours ABSOLUTELY FREE with a new membership to the Health Sciences Institute. It's just one example of how absolutely vital each report from the Institute can be to your life and those of your loved ones.

From breakthrough cancer and heart research and revolutionary Amazon Rainforest herbology to world-leading anti-aging research and nutritional medicine, every monthly Health Sciences Institute Member's Alert puts in your hands today cures the rest of America --including your own doctor(!)--is likely to find out only ten years from now.
 


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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 02:47:58 AM »
This is one of my favorite fruits - - - balibanog!

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 03:15:40 AM »
Manay, bilib jud ko sa imong research! mura ka ug si banana naho!

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 11:19:39 AM »
Karnaba may tawag namo ani sa amoa.Ang dahon gani ani kay pwede ihaplak sa piang. Thanks Manay perti naa man diay ning natural ug barato ra nga tambal daghan ni sa among kusinahan.
Lami bitaw kaajo ning nga prutas pwede ni popuon bisan di pa hinog unja tan ugan butangan lang ug abo ang punga.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 01:01:39 PM »
tinuod bani? dili bani usa sa mga urban legends? well, anyway i really luv guyabano! thanks hofe!

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 01:06:15 PM »
Guyabano ang tawag sa uban. Diri sa davao, labana ang tawag. Ang labana pwede magulay basta linghod pa. Pareha ra siya ug lami sa nangka. Ang maayong luto ani tunuan.

Ang hinog nga labana lami ug tam-is kaayo.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 01:08:15 PM »
Lami jud kaayo ang labana labi na ug hinog kaayo.To man pod ako laway oi.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 02:04:45 PM »
Maayong adlaw nga higala, daghang salamat sa inyong feedbacks, balingo-an labana og karnaba, bisan unsa pa ang tawag ni-aning prutasa, atong masinati-an karon ang tambal sa atong mga sakit ania-a ra kaligiran.
This surfing in internet started as Luarice Guillen asked for help since her husband suffers from prostrate cancer (Johnny de Leon). After finishing his regiment of chemo, she welcomes advices tips and recipes that will stepped up her husband´s health recovery. The best came from a wonderful lady in California, they buy Guabano in shops which came from Brazil. Kon kining prutasa daghan sa ato kining atong nasinati-an karon atong ipahibalo sa laing aron sila masayod. God bless.

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 08:07:03 PM »
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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 01:43:51 AM »
Tried n tested ba gyud ni?gmingaw hinoon ko sa among labana sa davao da,mangita ko ugma sa shoppers.

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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 01:57:21 AM »
Tried n tested ba gyud ni?gmingaw hinoon ko sa among labana sa davao da,mangita ko ugma sa shoppers.



hahahhaha! maka dalangin noh? ako sad gihidlaw na noon ko!

asa man tawon ko mangita ana diri?

Por Dios, Por Santo!!!

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Mamupu ko ugma og balibanog. Dia ra man sa kilid sa balay.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 05:49:42 AM »
barnaba pod ang tawag ani sa amoa, pero nakadawat na ko ani nga balita sa mga forwarded messages nga ahong nadawat.

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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 06:31:59 AM »



So what will we do now?

Let's set up hectares and hectares of Guyabano/Karnaba plantation and export them by the tons! Let's make a killing against those giant big time pharmaceutical companies  ;D




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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 06:37:53 AM »


hahahhaha! maka dalangin noh? ako sad gihidlaw na noon ko!

asa man tawon ko mangita ana diri?

Por Dios, Por Santo!!!

korek!  asa kaha ni makita dire ba?  naa man sa pinoy store pero juice na.

i love this fruit too pero i think we call this fruit banabos sa among baryo.

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 07:33:24 AM »
kalami nalang ani sagulan ug gatas butangan ug ice...

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 07:48:04 AM »


                     Hinog..... lami kaayo.......

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2009, 08:48:21 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2009, 09:44:41 AM »
LAMI KAAYO NING ABANA(ang tawag sa amo) lami kaayo e shake.

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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2009, 09:56:16 AM »
lain-lain lagi ta'g ngalan sa guyabano ba?  basta sa amo banabos na sya.

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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2009, 10:00:23 AM »
maayo kaayo ning balitaa. daghang salamat sa updates. dugangan unya nakug tanom karnaba sa amoa kay nag inusara ra jud to basin karon patay na diay  ang punoan :(


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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2009, 12:57:49 PM »


                     Hinog..... lami kaayo.......








Lamia ani oi.Puedi markotan ang puno-an ani sir.Namatay ang tanom sa amoa oi.

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2009, 02:28:30 PM »
Cancer is the abnormal production of mutated cells due to frameshift mutation in the chromosome, which has led to the abborative transcriptive, translative and elastative processes in protein sequence synthesis.

This therefore translates in the abborative production of signal mechanisms (which are nothing more than hormones; and hormones are nothing but protein derivatives).

These abborative signal mechanisms have lead to the loss of stop codons in Amino Acid production, and thus lead to continuation of cellular reproduction. To the level of 200 to 4000 tandem repeats.

This means, that cells that normally would die when sensescent, and or mantain cellular reproduction, have lost that homeostatic mechanism to maintain balance.

Cancer is a familial defect; can be genetic and somatic. So therefore, since the root of the problem is genetic, the problem is therefore multifactorial in inheritance.

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Cancer cannot be treated via a fruit. This fruit is ingested orally, meaning it will undergo first pass hepato-spleno metabolism. And will become ionized in that metabolic pathway.

To properly treat cancer, which is a genetic abboration in the most simplest and yet base of building blocks--the gene--it requires a corrective procedure.

Not through a PO -based ingestion.

To fully correct a carcinoma (bening of metastaticized) is through the use of bone grafts through bone marrow transplant; which will correct the genetic mutation by introduction of virgin wilde type alleles of the same protein function that has been mutated (congenital or genetic basis). Once  The virgin wildtype allele that has been implanted into the patient's bone marrow [in the spinal cord], it will reproduce via pluripotent stem cell reproduction and therefore produce normal-functioning non-defunct mRNA transcripts --> which will ultimately become proteins--> which, upon addition of proper nucleotide additives in the UTR (upstream translating region): will produce proper signal mechanisms.

This translates, into layman's language as : --> proper signal mechanism, meaning stop codons, regulatory pathway will be regenerated; because more proper functioning protein pathway will be available and reduce the numerical bioavailability of the mutated protein signal mechanisms.

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To treat heavily metasticized patients especially those that are in advanced stages of prostatic, ovarian, gastroesophageal cancer etc--> we provide them with heavy Chemotherapy because chemotherapy bombards the entire tissue to destroy and annihilate the heavily metasticized cancer that have already desseminated throughout the organ systems.

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For treatment of benign tumoric growth; proper procedure is surgical debridement.

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I am heavily against propagating false rumors that are old. The trials afformentioned in this document were in 1970's. This is the 2009 epoch. Pharmaceutical companies have advanced since those days.

For patients who are suffering from cancer; it is unwise to abandon medical procedure for herbalics. Again, proper procedure and regimen needs to be maintained.

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Please do note that cancer treatment has MADE GIANT LEAPS since the 1970s.
Mortality rate has been reduced substantially due to proper examinations for the prevention of cancer (regular check ups), and surgical debridement, and staying away from haphazardous materials that are carcinongenic: Cigarette smoking and other teratogens.


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There is a reason why we have medical trials. A reason why we prevent the proliferation of quack-based drugs from medical trials that have undergone strenous and selective trials that roots out medical contraindicative drugs.



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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2009, 02:39:30 PM »
There is no COMPLETE or ABSOLUTE treatment to cancer.

Because cancer is nothing but an abboration of the basic level of organization, which is in the gene, which is nothing but a segment, of the chromosome.

Simple. Ra ni.

Cancer is a result of a mutation; can be frameshift mutation, can be translocative mutation--> which leads to nonsense in genetic processes. Meaning the proper genetic codes that codes for protein derivatives (which is global in the organismal structure) has been altered and therefore perfunged.

Corrective means can only be limited, considering the problem is genetic based. It is a problem of the basis of the organism---in this case, the human organism.

The only TRUE viable anti-cancerous treatment is vis-a-vis bone marrow transplant is because it can reduce the biovailability of mutated defunct proteins by introducing virgin wilde type forms of the specific protein that has been mutated in that particular individual. Thus, we can observe a return to normal function (nominally, and resemblant). HOWEVER, the mutated proteins are still there--albeit in mitigative numbers---it is still there. It is there because of the mutation in that individual's chromosome, in that individual's genes.

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Cancer treatment [marrow transplant, chemotherapy, surgical debridement] and maybe taking herbalics would be okay [depends on the individual patient, again the patient even has the right to refuse medical treatment; his or her decision to do so]

But to completely withdraw medical treatment for herbalics is ill-advised.

Then again, the patient has the right to refuse medical treatment if he / she wishes.
Again, that falls under the patient's right to refuse medical treatment clause.

The physician has the right to offer his/her medical advice if asked by the patient, but has no right to forcibly give treatment to a mentally-sound patient {non-institutionalized}.



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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2009, 04:06:15 PM »
Dong baka ayaw mo ng guyabano juice....... hehehe!

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2009, 04:27:47 PM »
Inday Lee salamat sa corrections, nasipyat ko da. makosi-an ko ni Inday Laurice. ;D

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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2009, 04:29:32 PM »
Dong baka ayaw mo ng guyabano juice....... hehehe!

lol, the only ones that can profit from this are fruit sellers.
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2009, 04:45:23 PM »
I've checked medical search journals and Medical Research into this.
It's not even listed as a treatment option.

It falls in line with herbalics.

If one wants to follow homeopathic, by all means, do so.

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Proper medical treatment of cancer has saved millions of lives since the discovery of chemotherapeutics as well as invasive surgical procedures.

As we speak, there are search on more specific and selective-based chemotherapeutic drugs. Meaning---> it targets a localized tissue, specific agents.

Its really simple you know.

Because cancers have protein mechanisms that disable the antigen-complex of the body; therefore it prevents the natural macrophagial-phagocytic system. Which is responsible for detecting cancer cells and destroying them vis-a-vis macrophragial phagocytosis and or epiloeidial attack.

So again, its a genetic problem.

However, there have been positive research going in prorduction of the re-activaiton of the antigen-complex via the inroduction of wild type alleles that are responsible for the production of that antigen-antibody complex.

Another research going on is the development of cancer-protein capsule inhibitors.
These new drugs will inhibit the cancer cell's 'cloaking' mechanism so to say. And therefore making it more precipitous to cellular degradation and lysis.

Its really awesome how medical research has made giant leaps just in the last decade.


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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2009, 04:56:55 PM »
Dear Ondoy Lorenzo,

I highly salute your medical answers to the efficacy of this humble fruit Guyabano, libano, karnaba and whatsoever, but in our poor country where excellent medical service is only available to the rich and the few, this is a straw of hope.
We could hardly eat 3 square meals a day for a an average Filipino, medical bills just for a check-up, medications and the rest of the procedure is a financial nightmare!
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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2009, 05:03:52 PM »
Tried n tested ba gyud ni?gmingaw hinoon ko sa among labana sa davao da,mangita ko ugma sa shoppers.

The FDA does not try herbalics or nutritional supplements.


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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2009, 05:19:33 PM »
Dear Ondoy Lorenzo,

I highly salute your medical answers to the efficacy of this humble fruit Guyabano, libano, karnaba and whatsoever, but in our poor country where excellent medical service is only available to the rich and the few, this is a straw of hope.
We could hardly eat 3 square meals a day for a an average Filipino, medical bills just for a check-up, medications and the rest of the procedure is a financial nightmare!
Ang ating buhay sa ngayong panahon ng kahirapan ay kapit sa patalim!

Manay

Absolutely, and your post to this fruit is noted. I've done research on this, Manay. And wanted to add in the medical explanations , as even in very well off nations with superior Health Care Systems like Germany, France, UK, Canada (America's health care system is not as great, because we don't have a full medical coverance as in EU nations); many pts have left medical treatment for use of herbalics.

An example, Ive read into medical journals [New England Journal of Medicine] of how some HTN (hypertensive patients) have ceased taking Beta blockers like Propranolol and Metaprolol because of fear of sexual dysunction and instead started taking plant drugs, roots, and mushroom derivatives.

The result of which led to the deaths of many pts. The withdrawal of beta blockers, led to the continuaiton of their supratachyarrhythmias, leading to subsequent cardiac failure.

Lesson of the story: medical treatment is always, always, always, prime. If you want to take herbalics, please also offer the contraindications, as taking some herbals drugs will impede the metabolism of a prescribed drug; and even cause an unwanted effect.
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Dangerous are these drugs, over the counter types, and unproven types that have not been tested by the FDA [Food and Drug Administration] because there are no clinical trails for these, no known side effects, no known adverse effects, and no biochemical pathways that defines the MOA (mechanism of action and metabolism) of the said herbalics.

Again, there is a reason why natural fruits, and organic supplements are purified and used in pharamcokinetcs---so that we can purify and eliminate the toxic effects of natural drugs.

An example is acetylclyic acid; comes from a tree bark. But pharmacokinetcs and trials have produced a purified form and one with longer DOA(duration of action) and MOE(method of efficacy).


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With any drug, Manay, we must offer contraindications. Lest we provide wrong and erred information.


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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2009, 05:20:24 PM »
Guyabano ang tawag sa uban. Diri sa davao, labana ang tawag. Ang labana pwede magulay basta linghod pa. Pareha ra siya ug lami sa nangka. Ang maayong luto ani tunuan.

Ang hinog nga labana lami ug tam-is kaayo.

Tawag namo ani nga prutas sa Inabanga kay "PANABO".  frdaray, wa pa ko kasuway ug kaon ani silbing gi-utan, nangka ra gjod.  I love this kind of fruit.  Diha mi sa una sa garden, Caimito tree pod, ug Atis, etc.

Thank you Ms. Tess for the info.  Bilib ko nimo sa imong nahibaloan about herbal kind of medications. 

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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2009, 05:24:15 PM »
juice for chemo! wala wala ang fda ani da!

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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2009, 05:31:06 PM »
It is amazing because we covered this last week in Pharmacology class.

The notion of patient compliance.

Some patients will opt to take the herbal medications and not medical drug therapy.
If patient is in severe medical condition; warn him or her of the direct consequences.
Eg, pts that have CHF(chronic heart disease), CRF(chronic renal failure), CHD(chronic hypertensive disorder), cancer patients etc.
So long as the pt is in mentally-sound mind, the physician/surgeon, must--MUST remind his patient of the direct consequences of the ceasure of medical treatment for herbalics.

If patient--with mentally-sound mind--refuses treatment, then he or she has the right to refuse treatment. Covered under HIPPA Agreement that allows patients to refuse medical treatment---which could lead to patient's death.

But as medical students, we are reminded in the lecture room--from first day of our studies, that we are to constantly, constantly remind patients of contraindications.

Theirs is the option of acting on warnings, or refusing.

Ours is responsibility of sharing and inferring medical information. Warnings and what not. That is the SOLE responsibility of a physician/surgeon, and medical student.

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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2009, 05:31:07 PM »
An example, Ive read into medical journals [New England Journal of Medicine] of how some HTN (hypertensive patients) have ceased taking Beta blockers like Propranolol and Metaprolol because of fear of sexual dysunction and instead started taking plant drugs, roots, and mushroom derivatives.

There are some herbal pills/capsules to substitute this chemical medications. Some are using MACA and I forget the other one but I will inform you soon as my senior moments relapse is gone.

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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2009, 05:35:15 PM »
i think there two lines of thinking on treatment of diseases:

1. chemical treatment in disease (alaxan, tylenol, diatabs, chemo)

2. herbal treatment in disease (malungay, bijabas, halilib-on, guyabano)

i preffer sa number two line of thinking....and i luv guyabano too. :-)

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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2009, 05:35:33 PM »
Of course, there are different drug types; depends on their level of efficacy and action.

But in regards to cardiac tachycarrhythmia, the number one DOC (drug of choice)
for an HTN (hypertensive patient) is combinatory:

1. ACE-inhibitors
2. Beta-Blockers (olol types)
3. CCBs (calcium channel blockers).

A combination of these three types; can effectively restore proper cardiac function and decrease hypertension to normal levels and; lead to restore CO (cardiac output) and reduce COD (cardiac oxygen demand). Therefore we observe a reduction in afterload and preload.

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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2009, 05:36:05 PM »
I personally used my Maca against depressions and migraine attacks. It helped me a lot and some shared their expereince that it is also nutritious and libido enhancer. The problem is to make sure that the source is really pure since it is like a white powder odorless and tasteless.

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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2009, 05:39:32 PM »
This has been posted already but for some who might get interested this is for you;

Fresh lemon grass - Herb Against Cancer

While I was undergoing chemotherapy for ovarian cancer, my
oncologist, Dr. Cecilia Llave, suggested that I try tanglad (lemon
grass) for a drink, a tip she got from one of her patients.

That's what I have been doing the past three years. I don't know if
tanglad has something to do with it but so far I'm okay.

A few weeks ago, an article on the medicinal powers of tanglad went
the rounds of internet. There's no harm trying this. A bunch of
tanglad is very cheap. Or you can plant it in your backyard for a
steady supply.

The article is by Allison Kaplan Sommer:

"At first, Benny Zabidov, an Israeli agriculturalist
who grows greenhouses full of lush spices on a pastoral farm in Kfar
Yedidya in the Sharon region, couldn't understand why so many cancer
patients from around the country were showing up on his doorstep
asking for fresh lemon grass.

"It turned out that their doctors had sent them.

"'They had been told to drink eight glasses of hot water with fresh
lemongrass steeped in it on the days that they went for their
radiation and chemotherapy treatments," Zabidov told ISRAEL21c. "And
this is the place you go to in Israel for fresh lemon grass.'

"It all began when researchers at Ben Gurion University of the Negev
discovered last year that the lemon aroma in herbs like lemon grass
kills cancer cells in vitro, while leaving healthy cells unharmed.

"The research team was led by Dr. Rivka Ofir and Prof. Yakov
Weinstein, incumbent of the Albert Katz Chair in Cell-
Differentiation and Malignant Diseases, from the Department of
Microbiology and Immunology at BGU.

"Citral is the key component that gives the lemony aroma and taste in
several herbal plants such as lemon grass (Cymbopogon citratus),
melissa (Melissa officinalis) and verbena (Verbena officinalis. )

"According to Ofir, the study found that citral causes cancer cells
to 'commit suicide: using apoptosis, a mechanism called programmed
cell death.

"A drink with as little as one gram of lemon grass contains enough
citral to prompt the cancer cells to commit suicide in the test tube.

"The BGU investigators checked the influence of the citral on
cancerous cells by adding them to both cancerous cells and normal
cells that were grown in a petri dish. The quantity added in the
concentrate was equivalent to the amount contained in a cup of
regular tea using one gram of lemon herbs in hot water. While the
citral killed the cancerous cells,the normal cells remained unharmed.

"The findings were published in the scientific journal Planta
Medica, which highlights research on alternative and herbal
remedies. Shortly afterwards,the discovery was featured in the
popular Israeli press.

"Why does it work? Nobody knows for certain, but the BGU scientists
have a theory.

"'In each cell in our body, there is a genetic program which causes
programmed cell death. When something goes wrong, the cells divide
with no control and become cancer cells. In normal cells, when the
cell discovers that the control system is not operating correctly -
for example, when it recognizes that a cell contains faulty genetic
material following cell division - it triggers cell death," explains
Weinstein. "This research may explain the medical benefit of these
herbs.'

"The success of their research led them to the conclusion that herbs
containing citral may be consumed as a preventative measure against
certain cancerous cells.

"As they learned of the BGU findings in the press, many physicians
in Israel began to believe that while the research certainly needed
to be explored further, in the meantime it would be advisable for
their patients, who were looking for any possible tool to fight
their condition, to try to harness the cancer-destroying properties
of citral.

"That's why Zabidov's farm - the only major grower of fresh lemon
grass in Israel - has become a pilgrimage destination for these
patients. Luckily, they found themselves in sympathetic hands.
Zabidov greets visitors with a large kettle of aromatic lemon grass
tea, a plate of cookies, and a supportive attitude.

"'My father died of cancer, and my wife's sister died young because
of cancer," said Zabidov. "So I understand what they are dealing
with. And I may not know anything about medicine, but I'm a good
listener. And so they tell me about their expensive painful
treatments and what they've been through. I would never tell them to
stop being treated, but it's great that they are exploring
alternatives and drinking the lemon grass tea as well."

"Zabidov knew from a young age that agriculture was his calling. At
age 14, he enrolled in the Kfar Hayarok Agricultural high school.
After his army service, he joined an idealistic group which headed
south, in the Arava desert region, to found a new moshav
(agricultural settlement) called Tsofar.

"'We were very successful; we raised fruits and vegetables, and," he
notes with a smile, "We raised some very nice children."

"On a trip to Europe in the mid-80s, he began to become interested
in herbs.

Israel , at the time, was nothing like the trend-conscious
cuisine-oriented country it is today, and the only spices being grown
commercially were basics like parsley, dill, and coriander.

"Wandering in the Paris market, looking at the variety of herbs and
spices, Zabidov realized that there was a great export potential in
this niche. He brought samples back home with him, "which was
technically illegal," he says with a guilty smile, to see how they
would grow in his desert greenhouses.

Soon, he was growing basil, oregano, tarragon, chives, sage,
marjoram and melissa, and mint just to name a few.

"His business began to outgrow his desert facilities, and so he
decided to move north, settling in the moshav of Kfar Yedidya, an
hour and a half north of Tel Aviv. He is now selling "several
hundred kilos" of lemon grass per week, and has signed with a
distributor to package and put it in health food
stores.

"Zabidov has taken it upon himself to learn more about the
properties of citral, and help his customers learn more, and has
invited medical experts to his farm to give lectures about how the
citral works and why.

"He also felt a responsibility to know what to tell his customers
about its see. 'When I realized what was happening, I picked up the
phone and called Dr. Weinstein at Ben-Gurion University , because
these people were asking me exactly the best way to consume the
citral. He said to put the loose grass in hot water, and drink
about eight glasses each day.'

"Zabidov is pleased by the findings, not simply because it means
business for his farm, but because it might influence his own
health. "Even before the news of its benefits were demonstrated, he
and his family had been drinking lemon grass in hot water for
years, 'just because it tastes good.'"



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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2009, 05:41:02 PM »
i think there two line of thinking in treatment of sickness:

1. chemical treatment on disease

2. herbal treatment on disease

i preffer sa number two line of thinking....i luv guyabano too. :-)


Herbal medicine is effective, for some medical conditions. I agree with that.
But to forgoe medical treatment for a serious medical condition for using herbal remedy is contraindicative.

Ill give you examples. okay?

A patient who is sufferring from severe diabetes mellitus and has the symtoms of developing neuropathy, should not, NOT, NOT, stop taking insulin and dibaetes treatment for say---herbal drugs. Because of you do so, will lead the progression of hepato-splenomegaly, lead to severe neurpathy --> and lead to secondary infections associated w/ neuropathy. And lead to bacterial endocarditis (acute, or chorinic, same effect)

Or a patient who is suffering from CHF or RHF--and forgoing his or her treatment for their condition and instead taking herbal drugs--will most probably die within 6 months to ceasure of treatment. Because CHF, ACF, or RHF is a severe medical condition.

A patient who has a systolic bp = 200 and diastolic bp = 140, is taking metaprolol and CCBs--Verapamil, decides to stop taking his medication because he read in an internet forum that taking mushroom warts would directly stop and help his cardiac situation. Patient does so, without telling his physician. Patient, upon stoping his drug treatment, suffers severe angina pectoris, despite severe chest pain, does not taking nitroprusside or any vasodilators tha he had in his medical cabinet and instead took more mushroom warts in the belief that nature would cure him. What is the prognosis of the patient? Answer --> Grim.


Or a patient with mental conditions such as schizo patient stopping treatment and instead started taking nutritional treatment and herbal plants; this would be negative and lead to adverse effects for him, and the surrounding individuals.

Just 4 examples, of many possible candidacies.

PS. I love this thread. already.

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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2009, 05:45:39 PM »
Manay, yes, thanks for the posting the info, appreciate it.

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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2009, 07:47:44 PM »
ganahan ko mo kaon ani guyabano oi...

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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2009, 09:43:53 PM »
This has been posted already but for some who might get interested this is for you;

Fresh lemon grass - Herb Against Cancer

nice tip Manay. how do you prepare this tanglad drink? pabukalan pa nimo morag tea o fresh jud nga putol ihumol lng sa water?

naa pud btaw ingon sa aho nga gi na himo ni la ang tanglad nga tea drink, pero taga caribbean man to sya with indian background. sa amo di man mi moinom ani, sagol lng sa mga niluto og lechon.  ::)

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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2009, 03:55:15 AM »
Inday jamo2x;  I know that steeping means i-homol. Ang labing maayo, sa gabi-i imong i-homol overnight (first 3-4 leaves kanang dabongon) the water must be at least 2 liters since adults are required to drink this at least everyday.
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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2009, 05:17:32 AM »
  Salamat kaayo sa imong info, all this time wala ko kahibawo nga ang prutas nga one of my favorites is also a potent cancer  cells killer, wow!.
  Growing up years ago, sa uma sa akong Tatay may daghang punoan ani, I helped in harvesting it  then my mother and I sell it in the market, but I always take one for me, sitting on one of the branches while munching a ripe guyabano (guanavana in Spanish)
  I love my job though it's pitiful to see them suffer specially the  cancer patients who are hopelessly clinging to whatever  the Pharmaceutical companies  have available to help them which is no cure at all.  Igbisita diay nako  sa pinas adto ko sa market mamalit ug guyabano or guanavana, miss it though.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2009, 09:15:28 AM »
mao niy gi tudlo sa ahong nanay:

1. tambal sa hubag aron mo boto - odlot sa bijabas nga imong gi nguya

2. tambal sa hapdos ang tyan - gi pabokalan nga halilib-on

3. tambal sa ubo/hubak - dahon sa ----- kalipat na ko

palihug kono ug sumpay para natong tanan!

luv natural medicine! luv herbs! 

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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2009, 09:26:09 AM »
buwad, sa number 3 kay "tuba-tuba". bawo kon mao ba pod na ngan sa injo kay it seems like lahi-lahi man ta'g ngalan sa mga tanum.  dagko bitaw na dahon.  mao nay ihakup ni mommy sa among dughan kon ubhon or naay magsugmat ug hubak namo.  pag mo crispy na kana pagkabuntag, that means daw ang iyang bisa tua na sa imong lawas busa maayo na ka.

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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2009, 09:35:27 AM »
thanks grazie, mao na pareho na sa amo. diha patoy mga ugat nga magbitay sa kilid sa sapa nga tambal pud. hinaut unta nga di malimtan nato ning mga tambal nga natural.

ang tambal nga herbs o natural malimtan man gud sa tawo gumikan sa mga negosyante ug tambal labinag mga dagko like smith and kline o uban pa. dagkog kita ning mga companyaha uy!

siguro malipay ni sila ug dunay magkasakit kay aron mo kita sila. may posibilidad no?

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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2009, 11:07:02 AM »
Dahon sa aswete tambal pud ug piang labi na ug mosugmat unya mao nay ibutang pagka ugma ma crispy pud ang dahon.
Kanang dahon sa tuba tuba mao nay tambal pud ug panuhot.
Buwak sa gumamela tambal ug matag tiki
Roots sa buwak nga kumentang tambal pud ug kidney.
Roots sa kanding kanding tambal daw ug bughat.
Pakjawa mura ni siya ug vine ang duga ani perting paita karemember ko mao ni inud nud sa totoy sa inahan aron lutason ang ila anak para di na mototoy
Dahon sa Bujo maoy gamiton ug totho kung naay sibang usapon apil ang putot sa lubi.

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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2009, 12:16:25 PM »
thanks racquel. sa tinud no, hapit malimtan sa tawo ang natural herbs and traditional medicines o mga healing effect sa mga herbs gumikan sa commercialism sa tambal nga ginama sa tawo. kining commercialized meds halos tanan dunay mga side effects. sa akong pag tugkad ani, advance science in medicine peligro kay dunay side effect. look at china, their chinese herb medicines and acupuncture centuries na ning gigamit sa tawo. hapit ma wani o malimtanc nato. gumikan ba kini sa kahakog sa manghimo ug modern medicines?

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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2009, 10:08:02 PM »
Inday jamo2x;  I know that steeping means i-homol. Ang labing maayo, sa gabi-i imong i-homol overnight (first 3-4 leaves kanang dabongon) the water must be at least 2 liters since adults are required to drink this at least everyday.
Manay

ondoy tawon ko manay  :P

aha simple lng man diay na. tenks sa info. abi ko bag himoon parehas sa tea  sagolan pag milk og asucar, kana mainom na jud naho na. hehehe

tampo sa mga herbal, dahon sa bayabas:
pabokalan lng unya ang, ang tubig mao nay pang limpio sa mga samad2x, nuka
tambal sa tig tuli hehehe, usapon lng ang bayabas, human pakang sa tuli, luwaan ang tintin...gituli dretso man dw ambak sa sapa dungan singgit, 'aguyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyYYYY'
tambal sa pasmo: luobon ba tawag ani? na experience ni naho. sa una cge man gud basketbol kalimtan ang kaon tibook adlaw unja dretso pud og inom og tuba og tanduay. ahhhh pag ka ugma kurog ko sa ka luya sa lawas, human 2 days, giluob ko sa ko papa. pabukal ang bayabas perting inita, unya gibutang sa salog, ako gi pa pwesto sa taas sa kaldero, tabonan og habol, pahungaw ang aso sa bayabas. asus perting inita sa sud, daghna ako singot...sus naajo man dajon ko...hehehe dagan na sab basketbol  ;D

kamo na sab, share sa mga gituli sa pakang hehe ky aho sa doktor na man; mas nindot cguro tong mo ambak pa jud sa sapa  ;D ;D  :P ;D ;D

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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2009, 10:13:02 PM »
Dahon sa Bujo maoy gamiton ug totho kung naay sibang usapon apil ang putot sa lubi.

paki elaborate dw ni day Raqz, unsa man ang sibang?
buho? kawayan na di ba.  ::)

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« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2009, 10:44:38 PM »
Buyo or bujo ang english ani kay bitter leaves naa ni daghan sa davao kay kita ko ani nangatay sa likod sa among boarding house mao ni itambal ug sibang or kanang hilanat bitaw nga way pagkaayo segi ra ug balik balik matud pa sa ahong mother ang cause kono ani kay nakasimhot ka ug tawo nga wa ka moangay ba to sa baho mao gisibangan ka dayon mao ni totho an dayon aning buyo dang oracion man siguro to hahahh.Una puston ang putot sa lubi ug buyo or bujo then inud nod sa imong agtang i krus pagkanudnod dayon sa bukton,ug sa tiyan sa tiil.Ingon nila kung kinapaitan kono ang buyo it means grabeh kono ang sibang or hilanat.

Uslob ang tawag anang process nga kung napasmo ka tambalan tru uslob. Napasmo pud ko sa high school pa ko.Unja way paniudto ingkaon ug ice candy pag uli suka kalibang ug na Emergency gud ko adto kay perti nang luyaha didto sa Loon Emergency hospital.Pagkaugma gi usloban ko  sa ahong mother mao na tabunan tag habol diin ang kaldero nga naay mga herb imong simhoton ang hinungaw perti ang singot daghana unya maulian bitaw ta.

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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2009, 10:50:42 PM »
thanks racquel. sa tinud no, hapit malimtan sa tawo ang natural herbs and traditional medicines o mga healing effect sa mga herbs gumikan sa commercialism sa tambal nga ginama sa tawo. kining commercialized meds halos tanan dunay mga side effects. sa akong pag tugkad ani, advance science in medicine peligro kay dunay side effect. look at china, their chinese herb medicines and acupuncture centuries na ning gigamit sa tawo. hapit ma wani o malimtanc nato. gumikan ba kini sa kahakog sa manghimo ug modern medicines?

hinaut unta nga dili!!!
Kining mga dagkong pharmaceutical company di ni moangay aning mga herbal medicine kay cheap gud ni.Buhaton jud nila ang tanan nga dili ta mogamit ug herb kay unsaon nalang ilang pocket ug ang Lord nila gitawag ug Money.Mo discourage jud ni sila ingnon dayon wa ma proven daghan risk kay sa benefits which wrong kay proven na ni sa atong mga ancestor nga nagwork. Very sad bitaw paminawon nga murag tagsa nalang siguro ang mogamit ug herb malimtan jud ni sa sumusunod natong generation.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2009, 11:00:31 PM »
Vinegar or suka tambal pud ni sa combulsion.Akong anak ikaduha naliwat nako nga kung naay fever mo combulsion karon nakabasa ko nga ug magcombulsion ang bata bas on ang towel ug vinegar then maoy ibutang sa ulo or ipahid sa lawas gi try nako tinuod jud.
First episode sa combulsion or febrile seizure sa akong anak nagbakasyon mi sa kansas city nakaspend gud mi ug 1 night sa E.R unya ang ingon sa doctor normal ra daw ug naay seizure nga kung mo spike ang fever mo combulsion kono ang bata.Ug kitay ginikanan magpanic man ta. Four months ago nagcombulsion napud akong anak thanks goodness twice ra ni siya gihilantan sukad mao to akong gipahiran ug vinegar kay murag nagdelirium na to siya sugod then nag cool down paghuman ug butang nako towel with vinegar sa iyang ulo.Then diha pa namo gidala ug E.R sa naulian na nuon.

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2009, 11:16:00 PM »
Buyo or bujo ang english ani kay bitter leaves naa ni daghan sa davao kay kita ko ani nangatay sa likod sa among boarding house mao ni itambal ug sibang or kanang hilanat bitaw nga way pagkaayo segi ra ug balik balik matud pa sa ahong mother ang cause kono ani kay nakasimhot ka ug tawo nga wa ka moangay ba to sa baho mao gisibangan ka dayon mao ni totho an dayon

Uslob ang tawag anang process nga kung napasmo ka tambalan tru uslob. Napasmo pud ko sa high school pa ko.Unja way paniudto ingkaon ug ice candy pag uli suka kalibang ug na Emergency gud ko

pwede na man diay ka mananambal  quack doctor Raqz hehehe, daghn man diay ka mga tips.
sibang morag similar diay na sa tagalog nga 'pwera usog' kay kurusan man ang agtang og laway hehe.

lain diay tong buyo sa amo kay morag lubi ang itsura nga dwarf unya ang bunga kay ma-ma sa mga nitibo hehe.

uslob diay na hehe. palyado man gud ning bisaya naho, kalimtan tungod naka puyo kos manila hehe.  ;D

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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2009, 04:12:52 PM »
wow fantastic information, does anybody know where we can buy guyabano in Australia?.

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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2009, 04:40:55 PM »
Sulayi sa Asianshops, kanang gikan sa Bangladesh or Vietnam, kay anha ko makakita ug Guyabano.

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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2009, 05:07:56 PM »
Sulayi sa Asianshops, kanang gikan sa Bangladesh or Vietnam, kay anha ko makakita ug Guyabano.

Ay salamat manay, akong suwayan ug pangita kay naa koy miga nga naa tawoy cancer sigi pa siya chemo karon tawon, basin makatabang ni niya.

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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2009, 05:20:47 PM »
I-apil ang pag ampo ug sakripisyo.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2009, 05:25:04 PM »
Salamat sa pagsiugda aning butanga, maayo ning nga inpormasyon kay makatabang gyud ni sa tanan tawo nga naay cancer, nindot ni pang prevent ug cancer pud..hala uswag ug padayon sa pag diskobre sa mga butang nga may kalambigitan sa kinabuhi sa tawo. Tanan sakit anaay tambal...pwere sakit sa gugma..hehe

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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2009, 05:40:32 PM »
lami raba kaajo ang hinog ani tam-is nga pughad.

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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2009, 07:57:11 PM »
lami ni labi na may ice ug gatas :-\

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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2009, 08:51:14 PM »
My housemate experimented on this for her college thesis. It he was well-received by the medical society ere in the Philippines hwhen she published it many years ago. She's now a medical doctor based in Manila. I haven't seen her for years now.

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« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2009, 01:16:05 AM »
Kining vitamin supplements, and herbal remedies, good ni to take as supplements.

Like for example, fish oil.
Is actually proven to lower LDL levels--LDL (low density lipoprotein) are directly related to heart problems; atherosclerotic growth. If you take LDL inhibitors, it will increase HDL (high density lipoproteins) which are directly related to healthy heart!

So yes, there are indeed good natural supplements out there.
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Like if a pt is hypertensive, and taking Fibrates (fenofibrate or gemzofibril) to lower his triglycerides, or taking Niacin or any Statin drugs (Levostatin, Simvastatin) to lower LDL and raise HDL; an additional intake of fish oil is good too!

Because Fish oil is LDL-antagonistic. :)

Good to complement the prescribed drug.

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Or if we have a patient that is suffering form gastric peptic ulcer secretion; because over activity of the parietal cell. We give the patient PPIs (proton pump inhibitors) eg, omeprazole, lansoprazole. And we also give him H2-receptor blockers to block the histamine 2 receptors which led to active gastric secretion. We give him Cimetidine or Nazitidine.
But we also advice the patient to take any alkylating substances that can raise the PH. If we raise the pH, we counter and neutralize the low ph due to acidity--which facilitates greater damage due to H. pylori infecxn.
:: That is why we tell pt to take and eat alot fo fiber foods, eat cheese and milk. Because dairy products can raise pH(which is good in case of PUD). and at the same time prescribe antimicrobials to kill the h.pylori: give him: metranidizole, clarithromycin etc))

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This is why when a pt has a medical problem, it is best to use dual forms.
1. Treat the disease or treat the symptoms with prescription drugs
2. offer lifestyle tips: eat more leafy and greens; and if pt wants to take nutritional supps or herbal remedy w/ the treatment--that is okay too.
We would then refer pt to a nutritionist. To offer nutritional foods that can best complement the medication given. Anti-symptomatics.

hehehe. cool stuff eh?
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« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2009, 05:02:05 PM »
Sa  didto pa ko sa ato a Bohol, ang tawag ana, karnaba. Diri sa Davao , labana ang tawag.

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« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2009, 05:06:00 PM »
Ang tawag namo niining protasa is "duyan",ambot nganong gi tawag ni ug duyan.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2009, 10:21:34 PM »
Morag ako ra may miingon nga balibanog ang tawag ana sa amo. Mao pud ni ang tawag sa mga katiguwangan sa Maribojoc, Loon, Antequera, San Miguel, etc.

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« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2009, 10:15:13 AM »
Morag ako ra may miingon nga balibanog ang tawag ana sa amo. Mao pud ni ang tawag sa mga katiguwangan sa Maribojoc, Loon, Antequera, San Miguel, etc.

don't worry, kods, kay ako ra pod ning ingon na among tawag sa amo kay banabos.  hehehe lain2x lagi ta'g tawag ani na prutas oi!

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« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2009, 11:09:58 AM »
Lami ning karnaba isud an ug luto pud oi. Permi ko magsud an ani labi na ug ang sud an sa ahong family sa una kanang isda nga dagko pareha sa pugapo ug ubang naay himbis nga isda di man ko mokaon ug isda nga maot dagway ug kanang dagko sad mao mag antus intawon ko ug sud an ug karnaba.

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« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2009, 11:12:49 AM »
Lami ning karnaba isud an ug luto pud oi. Permi ko magsud an ani labi na ug ang sud an sa ahong family sa una kanang isda nga dagko pareha sa pugapo ug ubang naay himbis nga isda di man ko mokaon ug isda nga maot dagway ug kanang dagko sad mao mag antus intawon ko ug sud an ug karnaba.

hahahha naa diay beauty qualification sa isda na imong kan-on, quel!  ngano diay punggotan na daan liog aron di nimo makita ang maot na dagway! sure ko di ka mokaon ug bakasi noh?

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« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2009, 03:09:44 AM »
Na di jud ko mokaon ug bakasi ug ubang pareha sa bakasi. Kanang isda nga dagko di pud ko ana baw di man matulon sa ahong ginhawaan like tulingan nga dagko.Basta ako ra kan on nga isda is danggit,mga isda nga gwapa like sinawon ug panit hahhaha like bolinao ug potpot,tulingan gagmay pero kanang mga isda nga naay daghan himbis di pud ko ana maproblema lagi ahong mother sa una kay grabeh man jud ko kapilian.Mosugot gud ko mag sud an hinog saging ug hinog nga karnaba.
Gimingaw na nuon ko ug karnaba bisan asa ra baya na ka tubo bisan kabatuan motubo na.Ang dahon pud ana maoy ibanjos ug ihakop sa ahong mother naho ug mosugmat gani ahong piang sa dughan.Humot pud ug dahon ang karnaba or guyabano.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2009, 04:15:27 PM »
Bitaw lami na. Tambal man gani ni karnaba ug bitok.

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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2009, 11:19:39 PM »
Aw pangpurga diay pud ang karnaba.Mao diay di ko bitokon sa una kay kusog ko mokaon ana pero akong mga ig agaw mga bitokon jud.Ang tapurok sa hunasan may gitambal adto baw mao mao siguro nay gitawag nila ug amahong.

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« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2009, 10:56:35 AM »
Aw pangpurga diay pud ang karnaba.Mao diay di ko bitokon sa una kay kusog ko mokaon ana pero akong mga ig agaw mga bitokon jud.Ang tapurok sa hunasan may gitambal adto baw mao mao siguro nay gitawag nila ug amahong.

Lahi nang tapurok, Raqz. Linginin ang iyang kabhang, naay mga sungay-sungay sa gawas. Linginon pud iyang unod, flat, pero morag daghan nga layers, gakulongkulong ang sidsid. Ang amahong mora-mora og tahong (green mussels) pero brown ang iyang kabhang.

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« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2009, 11:03:39 AM »
Oo bitaw mao nay tapurok sa bacood or hunasan imong gi describe daghan na sa amoa pero kanang amahong baw nagkahimamat ba kaha mi ana.Permi man hisgotan ang amahong diri sa T.B siguro mao nay gitawag namo ug sisi nga mopilit sa payaw.
Pasalamat sad ko nga ang karnaba diay pang purga,dapat diay tong mga bata sa atua wa motubo pakan on permi ana aron mapurga.

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« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2009, 11:09:50 AM »
Oo bitaw mao nay tapurok sa bacood or hunasan imong gi describe daghan na sa amoa pero kanang amahong baw nagkahimamat ba kaha mi ana.Permi man hisgotan ang amahong diri sa T.B siguro mao nay gitawag namo ug sisi nga mopilit sa payaw.
Pasalamat sad ko nga ang karnaba diay pang purga,dapat diay tong mga bata sa atua wa motubo pakan on permi ana aron mapurga.

quel, ang sisi kay mura man na sya'g gagmatitoy na oyster unya kanang amahong mussel na yellow ang meat.  favorite nako nang amahong ug sisi pod ug swaki pod.  ug banabos! 

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2009, 11:28:29 AM »
Kanang amahong baw nagkahimamat ba kaha mi ana.Permi man hisgotan ang amahong diri sa T.B siguro mao nay gitawag namo ug sisi nga mopilit sa payaw.

Hamis ug uniform ang porma sa kabhang sa amahong. Gamson bitaw na siya, deep orange ang iyang kolor, hasta ang ona'. Matang sa oyster man nang sisi. Yes, kanang mopilit sa payaw, hasta pud nang mopilit sa poste sa pantalan. Kon modagko morag bato ang porma, nagka lain-lain lang. Naa koy ginamos nga sisi diri. Hung-on lang kon gigutom, iparis og bahaw.

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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2009, 08:36:59 AM »
kanang sisi ug dagko pana mao banay oyster?

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 10:04:02 AM »
Koddi Prudente, pangagda sad kono dinha. bisan allergic kog shellfish mag-andam lang kog antihistamine  ;D

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #81 on: June 29, 2009, 02:35:59 PM »
kanang sisi ug dagko pana mao banay oyster?
Yes, sisi is oyster.  Pero usahay malibog ang uban, kay ang dagko ana tawgon nila og talaba, which is Tinagalog na. 

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #82 on: June 29, 2009, 02:37:35 PM »
Koddi Prudente, pangagda sad kono dinha. bisan allergic kog shellfish mag-andam lang kog antihistamine  ;D
Dali mangaon ta. Dia koy daghang klase sa bulad. Daghang klase sa ginamos. Itlog maalat. Bahala'g di na ta makaihi. Inom lang ta'g daghang tubig.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #83 on: June 29, 2009, 02:41:03 PM »
Miabot na man ta'g sisi ani, oy. Nagsugod ta'g balibanog (soursop). Diha pa to'y gi-mention si Raqz Proud Boholana nga pangpurga sa bitok. Mao ni naka interesting dinhi kay mag-abtanay ang mga hisgutanan, ma sisi man o ma bitok.   

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #84 on: June 29, 2009, 05:07:38 PM »
I admire Raquel for remembering things which our folks uses as home rememdy like Guyabano , pang porga, aron mawala ang mga bitok labina sa gamay pa ko.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2009, 08:31:14 AM »
Miabot na man ta'g sisi ani, oy. Nagsugod ta'g balibanog (soursop). Diha pa to'y gi-mention si Raqz Proud Boholana nga pangpurga sa bitok. Mao ni naka interesting dinhi kay mag-abtanay ang mga hisgutanan, ma sisi man o ma bitok.   

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2009, 09:36:46 PM »
I admire Raquel for remembering things which our folks uses as home rememdy like Guyabano , pang porga, aron mawala ang mga bitok labina sa gamay pa ko.


Really? acidic tingali kaajo na noh? hahahhahha

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« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2009, 09:37:39 PM »
Miabot na man ta'g sisi ani, oy. Nagsugod ta'g balibanog (soursop). Diha pa to'y gi-mention si Raqz Proud Boholana nga pangpurga sa bitok. Mao ni naka interesting dinhi kay mag-abtanay ang mga hisgutanan, ma sisi man o ma bitok.   


hahahhahahha!

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2009, 12:48:58 AM »
Sa bata pako, sugoon ko sa akong Mama pagkuha
  ug tambal kon sakitan siyag ulo
Gamot sa guyabano(guanavana) kanang nag-atubang
  sa sidlakan
Akong kawton gamit ang guna, magputol balig tulo ka section
Ang gitas-on sa matag usa, sama sa akong tuo nga
   index finge.
Hugasan, then pabukalan ug tubig dayon isulod sa tasa
   para imnon igbugnaw nag gamay. 
Sa Cebu may tanom nga guyabano sa likod sa among balay sa una
 so lipot lang ko sa balay para magkuhag tambal ni Mama.
It works all the time, tulog dayon siya human inom
Igmata niya wala na kono iya headache.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2009, 02:50:42 AM »
Kadaghan lagi diay aning Guyabano or karnaba ug uses. Magplantation ko ani puhon kay murag bright ang future ani nga prutas pang chemo,pang purga ug bitok,labad sa ulo,tambal sa piang ug uban pa.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2009, 10:18:48 AM »
Ang dahon ani mauy ikusoikuso/ikumot sa karne
  sa kanding  para mawala ang baho dayon hugasan
  usa sugod luto para kaldereta
Wala gyud baho nga deres sa karne, tungod sa dahon
  sa guyabano
Diri sa U.S. suway kog luto ug kaldereta nga kanding
 pero naay baho gamay, unsaon wala may dahon
 sa guyabano.  :-[

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2009, 10:25:47 AM »
Ang dahon ani mauy ikusoikuso/ikumot sa karne
  sa kanding  para mawala ang baho dayon hugasan
  usa sugod luto para kaldereta
Wala gyud baho nga deres sa karne, tungod sa dahon
  sa guyabano
Diri sa U.S. suway kog luto ug kaldereta nga kanding
 pero naay baho gamay, unsaon wala may dahon
 sa guyabano.  :-[
mao bitaw jud na... i komot sa karne para mawala ang bahonglanto sa karne nga kanding..kita ko ana silingan namo...naa ko tanom ani gamay pa kaajo... man...

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2009, 10:39:02 AM »
Kadaghan lagi diay aning Guyabano or karnaba ug uses. Magplantation ko ani puhon kay murag bright ang future ani nga prutas pang chemo,pang purga ug bitok,labad sa ulo,tambal sa piang ug uban pa.

ang tambal sa bitok sab kay ang ipil-ipil. cge mig kaon ana sa una morag snaks namo...kanang green pa gani iya bunga morag flat nga beans. hehehe epektib mn guro to  8)

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2009, 12:26:48 PM »
Kining guyabano,gawas nga herbal food, tostansiya pa gyud kaayo kay magtulo-tulo ang iyang duga inig kaon nimo.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2009, 11:43:57 PM »
Taud-taod na nga adunay baligyang soursop juice in tetrapack diri sa Pilipinas.

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« Reply #95 on: November 24, 2010, 02:06:49 PM »
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« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2010, 04:10:37 AM »
ang tambal sa bitok sab kay ang ipil-ipil. cge mig kaon ana sa una morag snaks namo...kanang green pa gani iya bunga morag flat nga beans. hehehe epektib mn guro to  8)
Epiktib jud to Jams kay ipil ipil pa perting epektiboha.

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