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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2009, 05:41:02 PM »
i think there two line of thinking in treatment of sickness:

1. chemical treatment on disease

2. herbal treatment on disease

i preffer sa number two line of thinking....i luv guyabano too. :-)


Herbal medicine is effective, for some medical conditions. I agree with that.
But to forgoe medical treatment for a serious medical condition for using herbal remedy is contraindicative.

Ill give you examples. okay?

A patient who is sufferring from severe diabetes mellitus and has the symtoms of developing neuropathy, should not, NOT, NOT, stop taking insulin and dibaetes treatment for say---herbal drugs. Because of you do so, will lead the progression of hepato-splenomegaly, lead to severe neurpathy --> and lead to secondary infections associated w/ neuropathy. And lead to bacterial endocarditis (acute, or chorinic, same effect)

Or a patient who is suffering from CHF or RHF--and forgoing his or her treatment for their condition and instead taking herbal drugs--will most probably die within 6 months to ceasure of treatment. Because CHF, ACF, or RHF is a severe medical condition.

A patient who has a systolic bp = 200 and diastolic bp = 140, is taking metaprolol and CCBs--Verapamil, decides to stop taking his medication because he read in an internet forum that taking mushroom warts would directly stop and help his cardiac situation. Patient does so, without telling his physician. Patient, upon stoping his drug treatment, suffers severe angina pectoris, despite severe chest pain, does not taking nitroprusside or any vasodilators tha he had in his medical cabinet and instead took more mushroom warts in the belief that nature would cure him. What is the prognosis of the patient? Answer --> Grim.


Or a patient with mental conditions such as schizo patient stopping treatment and instead started taking nutritional treatment and herbal plants; this would be negative and lead to adverse effects for him, and the surrounding individuals.

Just 4 examples, of many possible candidacies.

PS. I love this thread. already.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2009, 05:45:39 PM »
Manay, yes, thanks for the posting the info, appreciate it.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2009, 07:47:44 PM »
ganahan ko mo kaon ani guyabano oi...

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2009, 09:43:53 PM »
This has been posted already but for some who might get interested this is for you;

Fresh lemon grass - Herb Against Cancer

nice tip Manay. how do you prepare this tanglad drink? pabukalan pa nimo morag tea o fresh jud nga putol ihumol lng sa water?

naa pud btaw ingon sa aho nga gi na himo ni la ang tanglad nga tea drink, pero taga caribbean man to sya with indian background. sa amo di man mi moinom ani, sagol lng sa mga niluto og lechon.  ::)

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2009, 03:55:15 AM »
Inday jamo2x;  I know that steeping means i-homol. Ang labing maayo, sa gabi-i imong i-homol overnight (first 3-4 leaves kanang dabongon) the water must be at least 2 liters since adults are required to drink this at least everyday.
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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2009, 05:17:32 AM »
  Salamat kaayo sa imong info, all this time wala ko kahibawo nga ang prutas nga one of my favorites is also a potent cancer  cells killer, wow!.
  Growing up years ago, sa uma sa akong Tatay may daghang punoan ani, I helped in harvesting it  then my mother and I sell it in the market, but I always take one for me, sitting on one of the branches while munching a ripe guyabano (guanavana in Spanish)
  I love my job though it's pitiful to see them suffer specially the  cancer patients who are hopelessly clinging to whatever  the Pharmaceutical companies  have available to help them which is no cure at all.  Igbisita diay nako  sa pinas adto ko sa market mamalit ug guyabano or guanavana, miss it though.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2009, 09:15:28 AM »
mao niy gi tudlo sa ahong nanay:

1. tambal sa hubag aron mo boto - odlot sa bijabas nga imong gi nguya

2. tambal sa hapdos ang tyan - gi pabokalan nga halilib-on

3. tambal sa ubo/hubak - dahon sa ----- kalipat na ko

palihug kono ug sumpay para natong tanan!

luv natural medicine! luv herbs! 

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2009, 09:26:09 AM »
buwad, sa number 3 kay "tuba-tuba". bawo kon mao ba pod na ngan sa injo kay it seems like lahi-lahi man ta'g ngalan sa mga tanum.  dagko bitaw na dahon.  mao nay ihakup ni mommy sa among dughan kon ubhon or naay magsugmat ug hubak namo.  pag mo crispy na kana pagkabuntag, that means daw ang iyang bisa tua na sa imong lawas busa maayo na ka.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2009, 09:35:27 AM »
thanks grazie, mao na pareho na sa amo. diha patoy mga ugat nga magbitay sa kilid sa sapa nga tambal pud. hinaut unta nga di malimtan nato ning mga tambal nga natural.

ang tambal nga herbs o natural malimtan man gud sa tawo gumikan sa mga negosyante ug tambal labinag mga dagko like smith and kline o uban pa. dagkog kita ning mga companyaha uy!

siguro malipay ni sila ug dunay magkasakit kay aron mo kita sila. may posibilidad no?

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2009, 11:07:02 AM »
Dahon sa aswete tambal pud ug piang labi na ug mosugmat unya mao nay ibutang pagka ugma ma crispy pud ang dahon.
Kanang dahon sa tuba tuba mao nay tambal pud ug panuhot.
Buwak sa gumamela tambal ug matag tiki
Roots sa buwak nga kumentang tambal pud ug kidney.
Roots sa kanding kanding tambal daw ug bughat.
Pakjawa mura ni siya ug vine ang duga ani perting paita karemember ko mao ni inud nud sa totoy sa inahan aron lutason ang ila anak para di na mototoy
Dahon sa Bujo maoy gamiton ug totho kung naay sibang usapon apil ang putot sa lubi.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2009, 12:16:25 PM »
thanks racquel. sa tinud no, hapit malimtan sa tawo ang natural herbs and traditional medicines o mga healing effect sa mga herbs gumikan sa commercialism sa tambal nga ginama sa tawo. kining commercialized meds halos tanan dunay mga side effects. sa akong pag tugkad ani, advance science in medicine peligro kay dunay side effect. look at china, their chinese herb medicines and acupuncture centuries na ning gigamit sa tawo. hapit ma wani o malimtanc nato. gumikan ba kini sa kahakog sa manghimo ug modern medicines?

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2009, 10:08:02 PM »
Inday jamo2x;  I know that steeping means i-homol. Ang labing maayo, sa gabi-i imong i-homol overnight (first 3-4 leaves kanang dabongon) the water must be at least 2 liters since adults are required to drink this at least everyday.
Manay

ondoy tawon ko manay  :P

aha simple lng man diay na. tenks sa info. abi ko bag himoon parehas sa tea  sagolan pag milk og asucar, kana mainom na jud naho na. hehehe

tampo sa mga herbal, dahon sa bayabas:
  • pabokalan lng unya ang, ang tubig mao nay pang limpio sa mga samad2x, nuka
  • tambal sa tig tuli hehehe, usapon lng ang bayabas, human pakang sa tuli, luwaan ang tintin...gituli dretso man dw ambak sa sapa dungan singgit, 'aguyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyYYYY'
  • tambal sa pasmo: luobon ba tawag ani? na experience ni naho. sa una cge man gud basketbol kalimtan ang kaon tibook adlaw unja dretso pud og inom og tuba og tanduay. ahhhh pag ka ugma kurog ko sa ka luya sa lawas, human 2 days, giluob ko sa ko papa. pabukal ang bayabas perting inita, unya gibutang sa salog, ako gi pa pwesto sa taas sa kaldero, tabonan og habol, pahungaw ang aso sa bayabas. asus perting inita sa sud, daghna ako singot...sus naajo man dajon ko...hehehe dagan na sab basketbol  ;D

kamo na sab, share sa mga gituli sa pakang hehe ky aho sa doktor na man; mas nindot cguro tong mo ambak pa jud sa sapa  ;D ;D  :P ;D ;D

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2009, 10:13:02 PM »
Dahon sa Bujo maoy gamiton ug totho kung naay sibang usapon apil ang putot sa lubi.

paki elaborate dw ni day Raqz, unsa man ang sibang?
buho? kawayan na di ba.  ::)

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2009, 10:44:38 PM »
Buyo or bujo ang english ani kay bitter leaves naa ni daghan sa davao kay kita ko ani nangatay sa likod sa among boarding house mao ni itambal ug sibang or kanang hilanat bitaw nga way pagkaayo segi ra ug balik balik matud pa sa ahong mother ang cause kono ani kay nakasimhot ka ug tawo nga wa ka moangay ba to sa baho mao gisibangan ka dayon mao ni totho an dayon aning buyo dang oracion man siguro to hahahh.Una puston ang putot sa lubi ug buyo or bujo then inud nod sa imong agtang i krus pagkanudnod dayon sa bukton,ug sa tiyan sa tiil.Ingon nila kung kinapaitan kono ang buyo it means grabeh kono ang sibang or hilanat.

Uslob ang tawag anang process nga kung napasmo ka tambalan tru uslob. Napasmo pud ko sa high school pa ko.Unja way paniudto ingkaon ug ice candy pag uli suka kalibang ug na Emergency gud ko adto kay perti nang luyaha didto sa Loon Emergency hospital.Pagkaugma gi usloban ko  sa ahong mother mao na tabunan tag habol diin ang kaldero nga naay mga herb imong simhoton ang hinungaw perti ang singot daghana unya maulian bitaw ta.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2009, 10:50:42 PM »
thanks racquel. sa tinud no, hapit malimtan sa tawo ang natural herbs and traditional medicines o mga healing effect sa mga herbs gumikan sa commercialism sa tambal nga ginama sa tawo. kining commercialized meds halos tanan dunay mga side effects. sa akong pag tugkad ani, advance science in medicine peligro kay dunay side effect. look at china, their chinese herb medicines and acupuncture centuries na ning gigamit sa tawo. hapit ma wani o malimtanc nato. gumikan ba kini sa kahakog sa manghimo ug modern medicines?

hinaut unta nga dili!!!
Kining mga dagkong pharmaceutical company di ni moangay aning mga herbal medicine kay cheap gud ni.Buhaton jud nila ang tanan nga dili ta mogamit ug herb kay unsaon nalang ilang pocket ug ang Lord nila gitawag ug Money.Mo discourage jud ni sila ingnon dayon wa ma proven daghan risk kay sa benefits which wrong kay proven na ni sa atong mga ancestor nga nagwork. Very sad bitaw paminawon nga murag tagsa nalang siguro ang mogamit ug herb malimtan jud ni sa sumusunod natong generation.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2009, 11:00:31 PM »
Vinegar or suka tambal pud ni sa combulsion.Akong anak ikaduha naliwat nako nga kung naay fever mo combulsion karon nakabasa ko nga ug magcombulsion ang bata bas on ang towel ug vinegar then maoy ibutang sa ulo or ipahid sa lawas gi try nako tinuod jud.
First episode sa combulsion or febrile seizure sa akong anak nagbakasyon mi sa kansas city nakaspend gud mi ug 1 night sa E.R unya ang ingon sa doctor normal ra daw ug naay seizure nga kung mo spike ang fever mo combulsion kono ang bata.Ug kitay ginikanan magpanic man ta. Four months ago nagcombulsion napud akong anak thanks goodness twice ra ni siya gihilantan sukad mao to akong gipahiran ug vinegar kay murag nagdelirium na to siya sugod then nag cool down paghuman ug butang nako towel with vinegar sa iyang ulo.Then diha pa namo gidala ug E.R sa naulian na nuon.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2009, 11:16:00 PM »
Buyo or bujo ang english ani kay bitter leaves naa ni daghan sa davao kay kita ko ani nangatay sa likod sa among boarding house mao ni itambal ug sibang or kanang hilanat bitaw nga way pagkaayo segi ra ug balik balik matud pa sa ahong mother ang cause kono ani kay nakasimhot ka ug tawo nga wa ka moangay ba to sa baho mao gisibangan ka dayon mao ni totho an dayon

Uslob ang tawag anang process nga kung napasmo ka tambalan tru uslob. Napasmo pud ko sa high school pa ko.Unja way paniudto ingkaon ug ice candy pag uli suka kalibang ug na Emergency gud ko

pwede na man diay ka mananambal  quack doctor Raqz hehehe, daghn man diay ka mga tips.
sibang morag similar diay na sa tagalog nga 'pwera usog' kay kurusan man ang agtang og laway hehe.

lain diay tong buyo sa amo kay morag lubi ang itsura nga dwarf unya ang bunga kay ma-ma sa mga nitibo hehe.

uslob diay na hehe. palyado man gud ning bisaya naho, kalimtan tungod naka puyo kos manila hehe.  ;D

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2009, 04:12:52 PM »
wow fantastic information, does anybody know where we can buy guyabano in Australia?.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2009, 04:40:55 PM »
Sulayi sa Asianshops, kanang gikan sa Bangladesh or Vietnam, kay anha ko makakita ug Guyabano.

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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2009, 05:07:56 PM »
Sulayi sa Asianshops, kanang gikan sa Bangladesh or Vietnam, kay anha ko makakita ug Guyabano.

Ay salamat manay, akong suwayan ug pangita kay naa koy miga nga naa tawoy cancer sigi pa siya chemo karon tawon, basin makatabang ni niya.

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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2009, 05:20:47 PM »
I-apil ang pag ampo ug sakripisyo.

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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2009, 05:25:04 PM »
Salamat sa pagsiugda aning butanga, maayo ning nga inpormasyon kay makatabang gyud ni sa tanan tawo nga naay cancer, nindot ni pang prevent ug cancer pud..hala uswag ug padayon sa pag diskobre sa mga butang nga may kalambigitan sa kinabuhi sa tawo. Tanan sakit anaay tambal...pwere sakit sa gugma..hehe

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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2009, 05:40:32 PM »
lami raba kaajo ang hinog ani tam-is nga pughad.

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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2009, 07:57:11 PM »
lami ni labi na may ice ug gatas :-\

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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2009, 08:51:14 PM »
My housemate experimented on this for her college thesis. It he was well-received by the medical society ere in the Philippines hwhen she published it many years ago. She's now a medical doctor based in Manila. I haven't seen her for years now.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2009, 01:16:05 AM »
Kining vitamin supplements, and herbal remedies, good ni to take as supplements.

Like for example, fish oil.
Is actually proven to lower LDL levels--LDL (low density lipoprotein) are directly related to heart problems; atherosclerotic growth. If you take LDL inhibitors, it will increase HDL (high density lipoproteins) which are directly related to healthy heart!

So yes, there are indeed good natural supplements out there.
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Like if a pt is hypertensive, and taking Fibrates (fenofibrate or gemzofibril) to lower his triglycerides, or taking Niacin or any Statin drugs (Levostatin, Simvastatin) to lower LDL and raise HDL; an additional intake of fish oil is good too!

Because Fish oil is LDL-antagonistic. :)

Good to complement the prescribed drug.

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Or if we have a patient that is suffering form gastric peptic ulcer secretion; because over activity of the parietal cell. We give the patient PPIs (proton pump inhibitors) eg, omeprazole, lansoprazole. And we also give him H2-receptor blockers to block the histamine 2 receptors which led to active gastric secretion. We give him Cimetidine or Nazitidine.
But we also advice the patient to take any alkylating substances that can raise the PH. If we raise the pH, we counter and neutralize the low ph due to acidity--which facilitates greater damage due to H. pylori infecxn.
:: That is why we tell pt to take and eat alot fo fiber foods, eat cheese and milk. Because dairy products can raise pH(which is good in case of PUD). and at the same time prescribe antimicrobials to kill the h.pylori: give him: metranidizole, clarithromycin etc))

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This is why when a pt has a medical problem, it is best to use dual forms.
1. Treat the disease or treat the symptoms with prescription drugs
2. offer lifestyle tips: eat more leafy and greens; and if pt wants to take nutritional supps or herbal remedy w/ the treatment--that is okay too.
We would then refer pt to a nutritionist. To offer nutritional foods that can best complement the medication given. Anti-symptomatics.

hehehe. cool stuff eh?
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« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2009, 05:02:05 PM »
Sa  didto pa ko sa ato a Bohol, ang tawag ana, karnaba. Diri sa Davao , labana ang tawag.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2009, 05:06:00 PM »
Ang tawag namo niining protasa is "duyan",ambot nganong gi tawag ni ug duyan.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2009, 10:21:34 PM »
Morag ako ra may miingon nga balibanog ang tawag ana sa amo. Mao pud ni ang tawag sa mga katiguwangan sa Maribojoc, Loon, Antequera, San Miguel, etc.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2009, 10:15:13 AM »
Morag ako ra may miingon nga balibanog ang tawag ana sa amo. Mao pud ni ang tawag sa mga katiguwangan sa Maribojoc, Loon, Antequera, San Miguel, etc.

don't worry, kods, kay ako ra pod ning ingon na among tawag sa amo kay banabos.  hehehe lain2x lagi ta'g tawag ani na prutas oi!

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2009, 11:09:58 AM »
Lami ning karnaba isud an ug luto pud oi. Permi ko magsud an ani labi na ug ang sud an sa ahong family sa una kanang isda nga dagko pareha sa pugapo ug ubang naay himbis nga isda di man ko mokaon ug isda nga maot dagway ug kanang dagko sad mao mag antus intawon ko ug sud an ug karnaba.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2009, 11:12:49 AM »
Lami ning karnaba isud an ug luto pud oi. Permi ko magsud an ani labi na ug ang sud an sa ahong family sa una kanang isda nga dagko pareha sa pugapo ug ubang naay himbis nga isda di man ko mokaon ug isda nga maot dagway ug kanang dagko sad mao mag antus intawon ko ug sud an ug karnaba.

hahahha naa diay beauty qualification sa isda na imong kan-on, quel!  ngano diay punggotan na daan liog aron di nimo makita ang maot na dagway! sure ko di ka mokaon ug bakasi noh?

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2009, 03:09:44 AM »
Na di jud ko mokaon ug bakasi ug ubang pareha sa bakasi. Kanang isda nga dagko di pud ko ana baw di man matulon sa ahong ginhawaan like tulingan nga dagko.Basta ako ra kan on nga isda is danggit,mga isda nga gwapa like sinawon ug panit hahhaha like bolinao ug potpot,tulingan gagmay pero kanang mga isda nga naay daghan himbis di pud ko ana maproblema lagi ahong mother sa una kay grabeh man jud ko kapilian.Mosugot gud ko mag sud an hinog saging ug hinog nga karnaba.
Gimingaw na nuon ko ug karnaba bisan asa ra baya na ka tubo bisan kabatuan motubo na.Ang dahon pud ana maoy ibanjos ug ihakop sa ahong mother naho ug mosugmat gani ahong piang sa dughan.Humot pud ug dahon ang karnaba or guyabano.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2009, 04:15:27 PM »
Bitaw lami na. Tambal man gani ni karnaba ug bitok.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2009, 11:19:39 PM »
Aw pangpurga diay pud ang karnaba.Mao diay di ko bitokon sa una kay kusog ko mokaon ana pero akong mga ig agaw mga bitokon jud.Ang tapurok sa hunasan may gitambal adto baw mao mao siguro nay gitawag nila ug amahong.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2009, 10:56:35 AM »
Aw pangpurga diay pud ang karnaba.Mao diay di ko bitokon sa una kay kusog ko mokaon ana pero akong mga ig agaw mga bitokon jud.Ang tapurok sa hunasan may gitambal adto baw mao mao siguro nay gitawag nila ug amahong.

Lahi nang tapurok, Raqz. Linginin ang iyang kabhang, naay mga sungay-sungay sa gawas. Linginon pud iyang unod, flat, pero morag daghan nga layers, gakulongkulong ang sidsid. Ang amahong mora-mora og tahong (green mussels) pero brown ang iyang kabhang.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2009, 11:03:39 AM »
Oo bitaw mao nay tapurok sa bacood or hunasan imong gi describe daghan na sa amoa pero kanang amahong baw nagkahimamat ba kaha mi ana.Permi man hisgotan ang amahong diri sa T.B siguro mao nay gitawag namo ug sisi nga mopilit sa payaw.
Pasalamat sad ko nga ang karnaba diay pang purga,dapat diay tong mga bata sa atua wa motubo pakan on permi ana aron mapurga.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2009, 11:09:50 AM »
Oo bitaw mao nay tapurok sa bacood or hunasan imong gi describe daghan na sa amoa pero kanang amahong baw nagkahimamat ba kaha mi ana.Permi man hisgotan ang amahong diri sa T.B siguro mao nay gitawag namo ug sisi nga mopilit sa payaw.
Pasalamat sad ko nga ang karnaba diay pang purga,dapat diay tong mga bata sa atua wa motubo pakan on permi ana aron mapurga.

quel, ang sisi kay mura man na sya'g gagmatitoy na oyster unya kanang amahong mussel na yellow ang meat.  favorite nako nang amahong ug sisi pod ug swaki pod.  ug banabos! 

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2009, 11:28:29 AM »
Kanang amahong baw nagkahimamat ba kaha mi ana.Permi man hisgotan ang amahong diri sa T.B siguro mao nay gitawag namo ug sisi nga mopilit sa payaw.

Hamis ug uniform ang porma sa kabhang sa amahong. Gamson bitaw na siya, deep orange ang iyang kolor, hasta ang ona'. Matang sa oyster man nang sisi. Yes, kanang mopilit sa payaw, hasta pud nang mopilit sa poste sa pantalan. Kon modagko morag bato ang porma, nagka lain-lain lang. Naa koy ginamos nga sisi diri. Hung-on lang kon gigutom, iparis og bahaw.

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Re: Guyabano - 10,000X stronger than chemo
« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2009, 08:36:59 AM »
kanang sisi ug dagko pana mao banay oyster?

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