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« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2009, 01:19:06 PM »

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« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2009, 05:14:00 PM »
ah ganun ba, eh nasaan na pala sya ngayon?kung dati pala sya na commissioner sa IP nong  una bakit hindi na sya nabigyan ng chance ngayon?atsaka totoo ba syan na rajah?kasi marami ako naririning na mga iba na leader sa tribo na invested DATU or yung mga adopted ano ba pinag iba non?

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« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2009, 07:19:28 PM »
According to my late Lolo this certain Anoy Datahan (leader daw ni sa eskaya) s k******n sa iyang mga baka sauna sa Cadapdapan, Candijay. Sukad sa ahong pagkagamay as a Candijaynon wa ko kadungog nga naay tribe nga eskaya. Ako lng nahibaw-an sa ako igsoon nga naay mga tawo nga nagpaluyo  para lng makakwarta kay naa baya budget ang gov't. sa mga tribes. Kinsay kaila ni Egay Dee? Pagresearch mo kinsa ning tawhana kay mao ni nagdala ug tigaw sa Bohol. 

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« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2009, 08:48:24 PM »
Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems are concerned. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. A lot of research and "scholarly" works have been done on Eskaya, unya ingon lang diay niini ka yano ang iyang sugilanon. Maora og daghan ang nailad. Creativity lang gyud sa mga Bol-anon nang mga alphabets, signs and symbols nga presumably gikan pa kuno sa mga laing nasud sa Southeast Asia.

While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon (most if not all are in Spanish) are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.         

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« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2009, 09:17:22 AM »
Can you tell me where you got this specific piece of information? I am writing a history of the Eskaya and I haven't come across this before. As far as I know, Mariano Sumatra was a young acolyte of a few priests in Bohol not Manila. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been to Mindanao and had contact with the Katipunan but I haven't found any records of this. Can you help?
In fact if anyone has information that is not already on the internet, please contact me at pierskelly@yahoo.it or via the facebook Eskaya group.

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« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2009, 07:37:31 PM »
Engr. Jes Tirol, PhD, premier Boholano historian, has an extensive account of the Eskayas.

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« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2009, 10:14:25 AM »
Yes, but Jes Tirol does not give any account of Mariano Datahan in Mindanao and the possible katipunan connection. He may well have a hypothesis about this but without a reference to a historical record this claim is useless.
So much has been written about the Eskaya in the past 20 years by Tirol and many others. But most of what has been written amounts to projections, possibilities and vague theories. This is all very well but it doesn't help to produce a clear idea of Eskaya history unless these claims are verifiable by persons other than the researcher. 
Everybody know that Eskaya history is controversial which is all the more reason why I am keen to collect as many reliable sources as possible.

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« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2009, 10:52:47 AM »
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« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2009, 11:10:33 AM »
Engr. JEss Tirol can not give further accounts and factual information of the Eskaya tribes.The Tirols are not of Boholano origin. They migrated Bohol in the early 1940 from Antique.
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« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2009, 11:23:36 AM »
Thanks  for  the  info...

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« Reply #110 on: November 01, 2009, 03:22:29 AM »
Dr. Luigi Romanillos, a UP-based Boholano historian and linguist, and a good friend of Engr. Jes Tirol, said during the very controversial Conference of the Philippine National Historical Society held last week at HNU, that Tirol's published accounts of many historical events are full of conjectures. 

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« Reply #111 on: November 01, 2009, 10:36:44 AM »
So  wa  pa  jud  diay  proven  facts and  solid  evidence  about  the existence  of  the  Eskaya tribes?

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« Reply #112 on: November 04, 2009, 06:46:55 AM »
Naa diay. But it takes a lot of patience to go through the records and sort out what is historically verifiable and what is speculation. I am slowly gathering all the available Eskaya resources here in one place: http://www.scribd.com/documents#folder/55722

For an outline of the problems facing Eskaya studies, see the introduction to the document 'Visayan-Eskaya Secondary Source Materials: Survey and Review'.  Also see Fr Ted Torralba's chapter in Tubod (you'll find it in the same scribd folder following the link above).

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« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2009, 05:20:08 PM »
the sad fact about the Eskaya is only few spoke the Iskaya language. They are now helped and monitored by the government in her effort to save the unique culture of the Eskaya. There is a sunday school for the youngs but only a handful manifested interest. If this will continue, this group will become just a part of our past.

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« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2009, 12:20:02 AM »
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Statue of Mariano Datahan outside the Eskaya cultural school, Taytay Duero.

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« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2009, 12:23:13 AM »

Wala oy. Himohimo ra na ni Datahan.
Pila ra man goy paghimog letra coded.
Tan-awa ra gud tong iyang alphabets kuno,
di ba binuang nga characters.

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« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2009, 03:07:02 PM »
naka anha nkus ilang lugar sa biabas, taytay, lundag ug Cadapdapan. Cige pug anha sila sa amua sa unhaha. Personally close me sa 2 ka chietain nila like si si Anhing Tay Bian. My sister-in-law is a member of the tribe. I am handling socioanthropolgy and in my efforts to understand and look for possible clues, nalibug nuon kug samot. Anoy with out question was too advanced in his generation. Indeed a wise and clever man!

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« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2009, 07:37:41 PM »

Tinood jud na Gwargs.

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« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2009, 07:38:48 PM »

Tinood na. k******n na sija matod pa sa ahong Lolo.

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« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2009, 11:56:19 AM »
Let us ask from the Phil. Historical Commission about this controversy The existence of EScaya tribe is not taught in our Philippine history.



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