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Quote from: calle on April 13, 2009, 12:22:48 PM
ako bitaw, minsan, magtagalog ako dito sa forum eh, hahaha.

ayaw na lang sukil manay para walang bokil ang imung bagil-bagil.

calle, bagul bagol man cguro ui dili bagil bagil

ah ganun ba, eh nasaan na pala sya ngayon?kung dati pala sya na commissioner sa IP nong  una bakit hindi na sya nabigyan ng chance ngayon?atsaka totoo ba syan na rajah?kasi marami ako naririning na mga iba na leader sa tribo na invested DATU or yung mga adopted ano ba pinag iba non?

According to my late Lolo this certain Anoy Datahan (leader daw ni sa eskaya) s k******n sa iyang mga baka sauna sa Cadapdapan, Candijay. Sukad sa ahong pagkagamay as a Candijaynon wa ko kadungog nga naay tribe nga eskaya. Ako lng nahibaw-an sa ako igsoon nga naay mga tawo nga nagpaluyo  para lng makakwarta kay naa baya budget ang gov't. sa mga tribes. Kinsay kaila ni Egay Dee? Pagresearch mo kinsa ning tawhana kay mao ni nagdala ug tigaw sa Bohol. 

Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems are concerned. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. A lot of research and "scholarly" works have been done on Eskaya, unya ingon lang diay niini ka yano ang iyang sugilanon. Maora og daghan ang nailad. Creativity lang gyud sa mga Bol-anon nang mga alphabets, signs and symbols nga presumably gikan pa kuno sa mga laing nasud sa Southeast Asia.

While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon (most if not all are in Spanish) are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.         

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on June 08, 2009, 08:48:24 PM
Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer.         

Can you tell me where you got this specific piece of information? I am writing a history of the Eskaya and I haven't come across this before. As far as I know, Mariano Sumatra was a young acolyte of a few priests in Bohol not Manila. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been to Mindanao and had contact with the Katipunan but I haven't found any records of this. Can you help?
In fact if anyone has information that is not already on the internet, please contact me at pierskelly@yahoo.it or via the facebook Eskaya group.

Engr. Jes Tirol, PhD, premier Boholano historian, has an extensive account of the Eskayas.

Yes, but Jes Tirol does not give any account of Mariano Datahan in Mindanao and the possible katipunan connection. He may well have a hypothesis about this but without a reference to a historical record this claim is useless.
So much has been written about the Eskaya in the past 20 years by Tirol and many others. But most of what has been written amounts to projections, possibilities and vague theories. This is all very well but it doesn't help to produce a clear idea of Eskaya history unless these claims are verifiable by persons other than the researcher. 
Everybody know that Eskaya history is controversial which is all the more reason why I am keen to collect as many reliable sources as possible.

Maajo  unta  kon  ibutang  pod  na  sila  sa  reservation  camps  aron  dili  mawala and   ilang  heritage....

Engr. JEss Tirol can not give further accounts and factual information of the Eskaya tribes.The Tirols are not of Boholano origin. They migrated Bohol in the early 1940 from Antique.

Thanks  for  the  info...

Dr. Luigi Romanillos, a UP-based Boholano historian and linguist, and a good friend of Engr. Jes Tirol, said during the very controversial Conference of the Philippine National Historical Society held last week at HNU, that Tirol's published accounts of many historical events are full of conjectures. 

So  wa  pa  jud  diay  proven  facts and  solid  evidence  about  the existence  of  the  Eskaya tribes?

Naa diay. But it takes a lot of patience to go through the records and sort out what is historically verifiable and what is speculation. I am slowly gathering all the available Eskaya resources here in one place: http://www.scribd.com/documents#folder/55722

For an outline of the problems facing Eskaya studies, see the introduction to the document 'Visayan-Eskaya Secondary Source Materials: Survey and Review'.  Also see Fr Ted Torralba's chapter in Tubod (you'll find it in the same scribd folder following the link above).

the sad fact about the Eskaya is only few spoke the Iskaya language. They are now helped and monitored by the government in her effort to save the unique culture of the Eskaya. There is a sunday school for the youngs but only a handful manifested interest. If this will continue, this group will become just a part of our past.

Quote from: Brownman on May 03, 2008, 07:45:56 AM


Statue of Mariano Datahan outside the Eskaya cultural school, Taytay Duero.

Naa na diay Robotics sauna. Awww. Morag robot nga estatwa.

Quote from: indaymen50 on November 01, 2009, 10:36:44 AM
So  wa  pa  jud  diay  proven  facts and  solid  evidence  about  the existence  of  the  Eskaya tribes?

Wala oy. Himohimo ra na ni Datahan.
Pila ra man goy paghimog letra coded.
Tan-awa ra gud tong iyang alphabets kuno,
di ba binuang nga characters.

naka anha nkus ilang lugar sa biabas, taytay, lundag ug Cadapdapan. Cige pug anha sila sa amua sa unhaha. Personally close me sa 2 ka chietain nila like si si Anhing Tay Bian. My sister-in-law is a member of the tribe. I am handling socioanthropolgy and in my efforts to understand and look for possible clues, nalibug nuon kug samot. Anoy with out question was too advanced in his generation. Indeed a wise and clever man!

Quote from: gwargz on November 11, 2009, 12:23:13 AM
Wala oy. Himohimo ra na ni Datahan.
Pila ra man goy paghimog letra coded.
Tan-awa ra gud tong iyang alphabets kuno,
di ba binuang nga characters.

Tinood jud na Gwargs.

Quote from: junjun on November 11, 2009, 03:07:02 PM
naka anha nkus ilang lugar sa biabas, taytay, lundag ug Cadapdapan. Cige pug anha sila sa amua sa unhaha. Personally close me sa 2 ka chietain nila like si si Anhing Tay Bian. My sister-in-law is a member of the tribe. I am handling socioanthropolgy and in my efforts to understand and look for possible clues, nalibug nuon kug samot. Anoy with out question was too advanced in his generation. Indeed a wise and clever man!

Tinood na. k******n na sija matod pa sa ahong Lolo.

Let us ask from the Phil. Historical Commission about this controversy The existence of EScaya tribe is not taught in our Philippine history.

My brother is always in his defense, mao nga dili nalang ko mag-apil2 sa mga debate sa academe. Sa tinuoray bitaw, dili ko makatuo nila. Sorry!

dili to k******n si anoy datahn.. kadto ra iya mga anak na gigamit sa binuang ang iyang gahum.. Maayong tawo to si anoy

These are tidbits of what I know about the Eskayas. Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.       

Abi ko ug ang Eskaya tribe tua magpuyo sa Taytay, Duero duol duol sa Bangwalog?

Quote from: kiamoy on May 02, 2008, 11:18:47 PM


impressive

nice

sukad sa akong pagka bata karon pa man ko makadungog aning ESKAYA ug wala ko mo anhi sa TB mao salamat jud MIKE. im interested the existing of the eskaya ug tinood ba. kay wala mana gud itudlo sa history nato sa high school pata.impress lang ko nga naa sila alphabet.gamay pa ko kadungog lang ko katung mga Rizalian nga mananambal. mo opera ibot ngipon nga kamot ra dah ospital lagi ang mga mitoo.na diay pod sila statue dah.

Quote from: kan-ogong on April 24, 2010, 02:39:34 AM
sukad sa akong pagka bata karon pa man ko makadungog aning ESKAYA ug wala ko mo anhi sa TB mao salamat jud MIKE. im interested the existing of the eskaya ug tinood ba. kay wala mana gud itudlo sa history nato sa high school pata.impress lang ko nga naa sila alphabet.gamay pa ko kadungog lang ko katung mga Rizalian nga mananambal. mo opera ibot ngipon nga kamot ra dah ospital lagi ang mga mitoo.na diay pod sila statue dah.

naa gyud sila dre bohol.. they existed!!

yes, they are real. ug kinsay masayod, ang uban ani nila naa na gapunay og dokdok diri sa TB. 

Maybe there is a connection between PBMA of Surigao and Anoy Datahan because of its cult like religion and healing and extracting tooth through ¨tayhop¨ Commander Asir is rebellion leader in the 70´s a Rizalian and a PBMA follower who surrender in Lombog, Guindulman.

Quote from: kaanindotsab on April 13, 2010, 05:46:50 PM
Abi ko ug ang Eskaya tribe tua magpuyo sa Taytay, Duero duol duol sa Bangwalog?

Taytay is in fact an extension of the Eskaya community in Biabas.   

The Eskayas are classified as an indigenous group under RA 8371 entitled; “The Indigenous Peoples Rights Act of 1997. I hope that these people are aware of their legitimate rights, because if they are not, they will be exploited just like other minority tribes in our country. They should also avail of some government grants and programs for the development of their community.

Like natural resources, indigenous people enjoys protective statue as well. Our government and the people shall also work together to preserve their heritage.

  what are ur basis in your statement??

Quote from: jc on July 13, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
what are ur basis in your statement??

Are you asking me? There are so many literatures and publications about the Eskaya tribes in the internet. I just picked the basic.

These are tidbits of what I know about the Eskayas. Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.       

anad tingali ni sila mo eskrima

Ako nakapuyo ko ug kadiyot sa Biabas ug dili ko moto-o nga mga fake ni sila. Secretive lang kaayo ni sila tungod mga estorya nga sila dili tino-od. Duna ni silay kaugalingong dialect ug dili timori. Ang Timori gigamit ni panahon sa Hapon. Duna silay kaugalingon alphabet. Dili ka makapalit ug yuta sa Biabas kon way aproval sa ilang Chieftain. Wa na ko kahibalo kon kinsa nay ilang Chieftain kay namatay na man niadtong truck depasahero ni Loring nga nahulog pagsaka padulong sa Biabas ug tungod sa kapuno niatras. Every year they have cultural and sport activities coming from different places like Taytay held mostly in Biabas. If you are interested of the tribe you should attend in this affair. You will be amzed with their Eskaya songs, dance and the way they talk Eskaya to each other. Nahibalo ba mo nga duna nay Eskaya nga Municipal councilor sa ato kaniadto? Iyang ngalan Tony. Tingali na confuse mo sa mga Eskaya ug religion nga Rizalian.
Kasagarang mga Eskaya mga Rizalian pero daghan pod nga Catholico. Bag-o paman ning Rizalian ang ilang mesa pareho ra sa Catholico. Duna say laing religion (Binobolin) diha sa Biabas nga gipangulohan ni Loring ug kini sila daghang armas ug nag terrorized niining mga Eskaya. Kon mo-adto mo sa Biabas pagbantay mo kay na-ay magsunod ninyo nga mga Binobolin kini sila dili taga Guindulman kasagaran mga tagalog. Kining grupo ni Loring daghan ug armas tungod kay daghan ni sila ug kuarta tungod kay una ka mamember ihatag ni tanang assets ni Loring, Ang ilang kampo naa sa Tambis mao nga iniglabay nimo nga

Quote from: sanonidagohoy on July 15, 2010, 05:03:39 PM
Ako nakapuyo ko ug kadiyot sa Biabas ug dili ko moto-o nga mga fake ni sila. Secretive lang kaayo ni sila tungod mga estorya nga sila dili tino-od. Duna ni silay kaugalingong dialect ug dili timori. Ang Timori gigamit ni panahon sa Hapon. Duna silay kaugalingon alphabet. Dili ka makapalit ug yuta sa Biabas kon way aproval sa ilang Chieftain. Wa na ko kahibalo kon kinsa nay ilang Chieftain kay namatay na man niadtong truck depasahero ni Loring nga nahulog pagsaka padulong sa Biabas ug tungod sa kapuno niatras. Every year they have cultural and sport activities coming from different places like Taytay held mostly in Biabas. If you are interested of the tribe you should attend in this affair. You will be amzed with their Eskaya songs, dance and the way they talk Eskaya to each other. Nahibalo ba mo nga duna nay Eskaya nga Municipal councilor sa ato kaniadto? Iyang ngalan Tony. Tingali na confuse mo sa mga Eskaya ug religion nga Rizalian.
Kasagarang mga Eskaya mga Rizalian pero daghan pod nga Catholico. Bag-o paman ning Rizalian ang ilang mesa pareho ra sa Catholico. Duna say laing religion (Binobolin) diha sa Biabas nga gipangulohan ni Loring ug kini sila daghang armas ug nag terrorized niining mga Eskaya. Kon mo-adto mo sa Biabas pagbantay mo kay na-ay magsunod ninyo nga mga Binobolin kini sila dili taga Guindulman kasagaran mga tagalog. Kining grupo ni Loring daghan ug armas tungod kay daghan ni sila ug kuarta tungod kay una ka mamember ihatag ni tanang assets ni Loring, Ang ilang kampo naa sa Tambis mao nga iniglabay nimo nga

Sa ato pa gapuyo ang Eskaya sa kahadlok sa ilang mga lider.