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Title: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on May 02, 2008, 09:36:15 PM

 Sa Barangay Biabas, Guindulman,  adunay usa ka tribu nga gui nganlan ug ESKAYA. Kining tribuha naay kaugalingon pinulongan, relihiyon ug sinuwatan. Sa gamay pa ko motago ko makakita ko ug lumad guikan sa bukid.

Link ni:www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/eskaya.htm
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: orChids on May 02, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Mao ba Raldz?Thanks for the info.Akong lili-on unya.Asa diay ka sa ato? (Bohol)
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: gelyan on May 02, 2008, 10:08:34 PM
rald, ampong imong family name..are you from guindulman? ;D
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: kiamoy on May 02, 2008, 11:18:47 PM
(http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/eskaya1.gif)

impressive ;)
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: udtohan on May 03, 2008, 12:54:15 AM
dugay naman na...and the eskaya is bound for oblivion!!!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on May 03, 2008, 04:25:40 AM

Ampong, lumad nga Guidulmanon. Pelias ahong lola. sa side sa akong inahan. Cellacay ug Bernaldez.

Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on May 03, 2008, 04:30:08 AM

Bitaw, Bai our government should preserve what is left of our ancestor. Its almost non-existence.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on May 03, 2008, 04:31:33 AM

Biabas, Guindulman. Mao niy renant ni Anoy Datahan.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: orChids on May 03, 2008, 07:26:19 AM
Oo kadungog ko ana nga story,duol ra ta Ralds,sa Anda man ko.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Brownman on May 03, 2008, 07:45:56 AM
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2677/450pxstatuemarianodatahfx1.jpg)

Statue of Mariano Datahan outside the Eskaya cultural school, Taytay Duero.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: udtohan on May 03, 2008, 07:48:28 AM
you know rald, i'd visited your place for a documentary wala na jud... ang last leader nga akong nakahinabi si fabian baja. bungol na gani to siya. i'd classmates who're members of the eskaya tribe.

wala na jud. it's hardly to recognize them. maayo pa ang tribu sa aeta (ati) sa calvario, loay kay makit-an pa ang pagkatribu.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: orChids on May 03, 2008, 07:48:56 AM
Oy naa jod diay ang mga signs pod.Thanks for posting Brown,interesado na noon ko sa ilang culture.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Brownman on May 03, 2008, 07:59:54 AM

kining Taytay orChs sakop ni sa lungsud namo sa Duero piro tu a sya sa bukid nga lugar, sa ikaduhang hugna sa Eskaya sa tuig 1951 guimando sya ni Fabian Baja didto sila sa taytay nagdugay.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on May 03, 2008, 09:05:42 AM

Kadtong diha'y meeting sa IPs, nag suggest tong leader sa Mandaya Tribe si Rajah Carlito Buntas, comisioner sa NCIP, gusto nila ako maoy mo represent sa ESKAYA kay taga Bohol kono ko. Pero nibalibad ko kay kaniadto wa pa ko kasinati sa ESKAYA asa ni sila. Nagresearch pod ahong kaugalingon.

Ang last nilang leader si Fabian Baja maoy nakasulat sa listahan didto sa NCIP (National Commission on Indigeneous People).
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on May 03, 2008, 09:15:05 AM

Daghang sign nga tinood ang ESKAYA nga sinuwatan ug usa sa mga nahipalgan nga butang nga naka displi sa National Museum ang Butuan Silver Strip.

link:www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/silver2.htm
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: lyn21 on December 18, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
hello sa tanan...nakaanha nako sa Biabas, Guindulman, where the ESKAYA tribe originated..Actually, kaliwat pod ko og DATAHAN, pero sa Mabini ko nag dako..WHen I attended the reunion of DATAHAN, I was really happy upon knowing na daghan man d i ang among kaliwat, and of course I'm also proud of the ESKAYA tribe..
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Macky Ferniz on December 18, 2008, 06:26:34 PM
Rald, I beg you to please represent Escaya and save the tribe from extinction.

You have the best qualifications:
1. You have the bloodline of an Escaya: Instincts & The Spirits of your ancestors will guide you.
2. You have the enthusiasm and passion
3. You have leadership skills
4. You are educated

You are the best man to lead the tribe. Engr. Jess Tirol is only a researcher and he does not have the lineage.

Moreover, I suggest that you acquire a website for Escaya Tribe and I believe Mike could help you on this.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: hofelina on December 18, 2008, 11:15:24 PM
To give you a better grasp of the significance of the balanghai in the history of Caraga and the Philippines, hereunder the words of Ms. Margarita R. Cembrano, the curator of National Museum in Butuan:

A large boat used by Malay settlers of the Philippines in prehispanic times. The vessel was about eighteen meters in length. Such a vessel would carry a small clan or a large family.
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/balanghai"


... In late 1976, Butuan Boat 1 was discovered near the east bank of the Libertad River. Then in 1977, Boat 2 was found about a kilometer southwest of the first site. All in all, eleven boats were identified at four different open sites (named after the land owners Luna, Toro-Toro, and Fortun and the Shrine Museum). The National Museum excavated and conserved three boats (Boat 1 in 1976, Boat 2 in 1978, and Boat 5 in 1986), despite the furious commercial digging activities for imported ceramics in the mid 1970s and later for processed gold.

Before these discoveries nothing was known about the ancient Philippine boats. The series of Butuan boat archeological excavations contibuted much to the fundamental knowledge about the tradition of boat construction and clarified basic time perspective on the cultures of the ethnic groups of the region....

The radiocarbon (C-14) tests on the three boats (numbered according to the order of their discovery) gave the following results (radiocarbon dates are suggestive rather then conclusive):


Boat 1 1630+-110 years 320 AD
Boat 2  700+-790 years 1250 AD
Boat 5   900+-70 years 900AD

The Butuan Boat, just like the contemporary Badjaw/Sama Laut's Lepa boat, and the barangay boat described in the seventeenth century AD by the Spanish Friar Francisco Alcina in his study of the Eastern Visayas (Samar/Leyte area) material culture, are built in a lashed lug technique. The elements of this boat building tradition are believed to be of Southeast Asian in origin, though there are parallels in Oceania and the Indian Ocean, too. The technique of edge-joining with hardwood spikes is also a tradition in Southeast Asia. Throughout Southeast Asia and the world, it is only in the Philippines where a flotilla of such prehistoric wooden boats are known to exist.
Source: Patterns of the Past: The Ethno Archaeology of Butuan
             by Margarita R. Cembrano
......................................................................................

The Eskaya people are the descendants of of the Balanghai who landed in Butuan/Caraga region. There are scholars and national historians who are working extensively on this part of history.
I will try to reach Mr Vic de Jesus, Bol-anon ang kaginan, history graduate UP and grew up in Butuan City. I did not dare to say much since this has lots of inconclusions and they still refuted the fact the it was not Limasawa where the first spanish landed, it was here in Butuan area.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: hofelina on December 19, 2008, 06:27:07 PM
Mga HIgala,

Here is the reply of Mr Vicente de Jesus, scholar and historian. He provided me with a website for you to learn more about Eskaya as an ethnic group.
Have a nice week end.

Manay Tess

http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/eskaya.htm (http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/eskaya.htm).

parehas lang gihapon kini nga website nga gihatag ni Raldampong.  Leo Udtohan is right, since there is no written document about this ethnic group this cultural heritage will be in oblivion, sad to say the government is not interested to preserve such rich culture.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on December 21, 2008, 12:41:10 AM
i don't know a lot about Eskaya. in my opinion, i think it's best for the Tribe to leave them alone. if we want to preserve their culture, let them be. i'd heard the news, months ago, about a tribe "discovered to have existed" in the middle of a jungle somewhere between Brazil and Peru. They have no contact with "our world" for hundreds of years; ironically, it's the civilized people's disregard and greed, through illegal logging practices, that have threatened the existence of these people. The same is true, i suppose, for the Eskayas. i'd rather see them gone yet having their identity preserved and in tact than keeping them alive yet becoming saturated with modern life and in the process destroying their identity and way of life.

some agency, forget the government, could probably help us document the Eskayas' way of life, study them and find ways how to help them without endangering their noble practices and culture.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Macky Ferniz on December 21, 2008, 05:40:14 PM
Sakto gyud ka glacier. Murag si Jess Tirol ra man ang nag document ani voluntarily free of charge. Ang government department nga responsible wala gyud mag himo ug maayong move, bisan na lang unta sa pag himo ug census or documentary.

Bisan sa US nga modern world na, duna pa silay national heritage nga small pockets of camps sa mga indeginous indian tribes. Parehas ila ka Bella ug uncle ni Gracie.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on December 21, 2008, 08:14:17 PM

naay kaso man gud diri sa akong lugar nga ang mga natives nila, gi-"exprimentohan" sa gobyerno. gi-relocate sila, gi-tukoran og mga eskwelahan, tindahan, post office, etc...in other words, gi-modernize kintahay ilang pamaagi sa panginabuhi. it turned out nga na-guba ang ilang unique culture. worst, many of them have become problematic people. cases of addiction, sexual abuse ug homelessness have become a serious issue now. kung di lang dato ning gobyernoha ug kung di pa lang pod willing sila motabang sa mga nitibo, hayan, gubot pas lukot ang gidangatan aning mga tawhana. gawas pa, naa gyuy programa ang ilang gobyerno unsaon nga ma-preserbar ang ilang kultura ug kustombre.
mao naka-ingon ko nga pasagdi na lang nang mga Eskaya, kay sa tandugon na sila, nya, way saktong supporta sa mga autoridad. they're better off being left alone. so far.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Macky Ferniz on December 23, 2008, 08:43:20 PM
Sakto ka Glacier, kana bitaw mga igorot gi ban na man ang pag hatag ug relief goods didto kay sa una, na looy ang mga taga Manila nga mag hukas lang ang ilang mga bata bisan ug tugnaw didto sa Baguio, apan ang resulta, na wala ang ilang tribal and cultural identity kay wala nay mo suot ug bahag. Mangita na ug pantalon ang ilang mga bag-ong tubo. Mag bahag lang sila kung dunay sayaw or special occations.

Actually ang clothing relief goods nga atong gi tohoan nga tabang is actually naka hatag ug negative effect sa ilang cummunity. For thousands of years ang mga Igorot nga bata matulog nga mag bahag lang bisan tugnaw nga gabii, ug mao na kini ang natural sa ilang lawas.

Actually, kita pa gani ang dapat mo sundog sa mga natives kung unsa ilang secreto nga taas ilang resistensya sa sakit. Unsa ang ilang mga gipang kaon nga herbal ug unsa ilang lifestyle?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Moyhua on December 24, 2008, 12:08:44 AM
I went to "Eskaya Tribe" in Taytay, Duero way back 2001 or 2002. Murag na modernize naman na sila.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: buwadsanga on December 24, 2008, 11:34:06 AM
naunsa na kaha tong stone age tribe nga na descover ni mr. ayala. galaig nag ipod na pod ron sila.
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Post by: hofelina on December 24, 2008, 06:01:22 PM
You mean Manuel Elizalde of PANAMIN , this institution was a pakulo of Pres Marcos. They "discovered" stone-age people called T´saday, in South Cotabato. They were paid to act like stone age people to attract foreign attention. BBC made a documentation about this. They really gullible to believe it. Elizalde was called Taobong, the good man, as the discoverer. He was hailed like a hero. The caves where they lived was supposed to be rich in mineral deposits. It took years to realized that it was all fakes.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on December 24, 2008, 07:18:20 PM
[quote author=buwadsanga link=topic=12292.msg199157#msg199157 date=1230089646]
naunsa na kaha tong stone age tribe nga na descover ni mr. ayala. galaig nag ipod na pod ron sila.
[/quote

Buwad si Elizalde man cguro imong gui mean nga naka discover sa Tasadays sa Bukidnon. Karon modern na sila. Kadtong bata nga iyang nakuhaan ug picture nga guisabak sa iyang inahan minyo na ug naa nay Balay nga pareho sab nato. Pobre lng guihapon.

Na civilized na man sila.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: hofelina on December 24, 2008, 09:51:38 PM
Manuel Elizalde, 60, Dies; Defender of Primitive Tribe
By ROBERT MCG. THOMAS JR.
Published: May 8, 1997
Manuel Elizalde Jr., a wealthy Filipino official who caused a sensation in 1971 when he announced that he had discovered a tiny tribe of people who had lived for thousands of years in such blissful Stone Age isolation that they had no word for war, died on Saturday at his home in Makati, a Manila suburb. He was 60, and some scientists say he was one of the world's master hoaxers.
To the wave of anthropologists, archaeologists and others who descended on Mindanao, in the southern Philippines, in the early 1970's, the 24 people Mr. Elizalde said he had found there in June 1971 seemed too good to be true.
Calling themselves Tasadays, after their sacred mountain, they were hunter-gatherers who never ventured far from their cave dwellings, had no notion of agriculture, went around naked or in leaves, lived in perfect harmony and said they had assumed they were the only people in the world, even though a population of farming people lived only a three-hour walk through the dense jungle.
There were those who were suspicious from the beginning. For one thing, Mr. Elizalde was something of an iconoclast. A Harvard-educated scion of one of the Philippines' wealthiest families, he had given up his hard-drinking playboy ways to champion the nation's beleaguered minorities, first as a private citizen and later as a member of President Ferdinand E. Marcos's Cabinet.
Mr. Elizalde affected such an interest in primitive youth that he and his wife adopted 50 children from minority groups.
Still, the initial wave of social scientists who visited the Tasadays were convinced they were who they and Mr. Elizalde said they were. Their enthusiastic reports led to a book, ''The Gentle Tasaday: A Stone Age People in the Philippine Rain Forest,'' by John Nance; glowing accounts in The National Geographic, and extensive television coverage.
Expressing fear that the Tasadays' habitat would be destroyed by the encroachments of civilization, the Marcos Government created a 46,000-acre preserve for them and put it off limits to loggers and farmers.
Skeptics were dismayed in 1974 when Mr. Elizalde, citing a need to protect the Tasadays from exploitation and the harmful effects of too much contact with civilization, blocked any further visits by social scientists.
The area remained off limits until after Marcos was deposed in 1986. Then, as outsiders again made their way to the Tasaday preserve, doubts about them became rampant.
Some anthropologists had called their story implausible from the beginning. Among other things, they pointed out, their caves lacked the middens, or trash heaps, that would have been expected of peoples living there for centuries.
It did not help when members of a neighboring tribe said Mr. Elizalde had paid them to take off their clothes and pose as Tasadays for visiting journalists and others.
Mr. Elizalde, who had been forced to leave the Philippines in 1983 after a falling out with Imelda Marcos, the President's wife, settled on a coffee plantation in Costa Rica with more than a dozen young Filipino girls. It did not add to his reputation when the Costa Rica Government expelled him in 1986, citing scandalous reports of what went on inside his heavily guarded compound.
He returned to the Philippines in 1988, helped manage his family's extensive business interests and tried unsuccessfully to rekindle his political career. A 1993 nomination to be Ambassador to Mexico was withdrawn after it created a political furor over Mr. Elizalde's ties to the Marcos administration and his role in what was then widely perceived as the Tasaday hoax.
Since 1971 the Tasadays have virtually merged into neighboring groups and picked up so many trappings of modern civilization that they can no longer be studied as unique primitives.
But the debate over their origins still rages. For all the questions of plausibility and the reports that they were paid to fake the degree of their primitive status, some social scientists still believe they had lived for a few centuries in complete isolation.
It was a reflection of their rapid acculturalization that in 1988, several members of the tribe filed a libel suit against anthropologists who had called them fakers.
''We are the forest,'' one of the women said before affixing her thumbprint to the complaint. ''We are the Tasaday. We are as real as the forest and the flowers and the trees and the stream.''
It was an eloquent declaration, and one that would undoubtedly have been given more credence if it had not been made at Mr. Elizalde's Manila mansion by an interpreter he supplied.


Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Lorenzo on December 25, 2008, 12:57:14 AM

What kind of dialect do they use? Is it an offshoot of Bol-anon?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Macky Ferniz on December 25, 2008, 05:44:14 PM
Lorenzo,

My wife's late grandmother is a true bloodied Eskaya from Kabugan, Guindulman. I heared her speaking differently to her co-eskayan friend. It is not visayan but totally of different dialect.

As per the accounts of historians, these people came from the island of Sumatra and settled to Butuan and Bohol.

I heared similar story about the Kapangpangans that during the American occupation, a Kapangpangan was assigned in Sumatra and were surprised that they speak the same language.

I've also seen some articles from Ancient History that due to the raids and skermishes between Mujapahit Empire and Sri Vijayans in 14th century, many tribes in Sumatra fled to neighboring countries & teritories. Eskaya must be one of them.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: hofelina on December 25, 2008, 06:25:13 PM
This is really exciting to find an ethnic group Eskaya who truly exists. Sad to say they were not able to put  their history and culture in writings. If there are present developments in Balanghai and Eskaya connections , rest assured I will post and share it with you here.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Lorenzo on December 25, 2008, 09:27:18 PM
Many thanks and salutations to you, Mr. Ferniz,

I must admit that I never knew about the Eskaya tribe until I read this thread and until you provided that intriguing information. It is very interesting to know that there are, in this day in age, still purists in our country. Which has been considered by many historians as the Europe of Asia due to our amalgamated and rich culture.

In perspective though, knowing now about purist tribes such as the Eskaya and the Ifugao in the north, one really gets an image of Filipino History and Culture as one that is tectorial. Coming in layers. Starting from the Melanesiac, the arrival of the Proto-Malay, the Classic Malay, and later following miscegenation.

I like this thread very much. It is like the opening of a game of chess. :)


Colloquially,
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on January 08, 2009, 10:29:53 AM
wa lang ta kabalo nga tua na diay ilang laptop gimontar sa kilid sa ilang langob o payag. hehehehe
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on January 08, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
A game of chess indeed!
From a purely scholarly point of view I'm interested in many of the assumptions/preconceptions that have appeared in this thread. A common theme is that the Eskaya are primitive and uneducated, and therefore in need of leadership and protection. Someone has also commented that the Eskaya culture is not documented and may be in danger of being lost. Another describes Fabian Baja as the 'last leader'.
Sociologically, these emotive reactions are fascinating but as far as I'm concerned they don't coincide with any empirical reality. The Eskaya have sophisticated systems of leadership. They have a tribal council which accords with the requirements of National Commission of Indigenous Peoples, as well cultural authorities embodied in the corps of teachers. The lineage of Datahan and Baja also provide a dynastic authority. Certain members of the group are among some of the most well-educated, multilingual and highly literate people I have ever had the privilege of meeting. There is currently one at the University of Hawaii working with a field methods group on language documentation. For at least seventy years, Eskayan stories and songs have been recorded BY the Eskaya, FOR the Eskaya and IN the Eskayan language through careful handwritten transcriptions. This is cleary a group that is confident in its own identity with little need of outsider support. Anyone who visits the Eskaya might be a little disappointed that they don't conform to the stereotype. They look, dress, eat, live, work, worship pretty much just like the mainstream. What distinguishes them is their cultural knowledge and identity. In the past, outsiders like Jes Tirol, have advanced some pretty interesting theories about the origin of the group which I personally don't support (and neither do many Eskaya!). There's plenty of info available in the Bohol Provincial Library in Tagbilaran from many different writers. Or you can search scribd.com for a document called Visayan-Eskaya Secondary Source Materials where I have attempted to summarise and compare the different points of view. Happy research, and happy New Year!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on January 08, 2009, 10:46:02 AM
hmmm...so here it is. thank you, perezkelly.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on January 09, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
Perezkelly is an Australian scholar who got interested in Eskaya Tribe. Made researched about the subject and quite dissapointed about what left or remnant of a lost Kingdom.

Butuan and Bo-ol Kingdom is been a long lost Civilization. We are mostly Eskayan in origin, weather we like or not. Visayan language is originated from old kingdom of Sumatra.

As predicted by Kuryapa, this Kingdom will be banished by the Ternatans and the Portuguise. As We been scattered around the Visayas and Mindanao.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on January 28, 2009, 10:08:34 AM
i thought Escayans (some of them) had successfully assimilated themselves as what some success stories of Eskayans mentioned previously.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on February 03, 2009, 05:01:16 PM
lets just pray that the Eskaya may indeed be a lost tribe and be accorded that lofty position in the country's history.

Itell you this because it is sad that there was an anthropologist who summed the Eskaya as a hoax daw.

Seguro, Melrose can tell us about it. 
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on February 03, 2009, 11:38:09 PM
hoax? mao ba. iya ra pod tingali nang tomo-tomo, apo, kay naa man gyoy Eskaya pa sa Bohol (Duero)...
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on February 04, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
that is what i am afraid gali kay until now, naa pa gihapoy moangkon nga T'saday pod sila nga tinuod.

The drift was that it was proliferated by some prominent people daw in Bohol to advance a school's new department daw. And the documentor pa is Jess Tirol, so its kind of suspicious to me personally.

I hope this is not offending the sensibilities of our friends but i would have wanted to pursue a study, most public officials ere however do not put the Eskaya as a priority.     
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on February 04, 2009, 01:20:45 PM
this is a surprisingly new "theory" which can shed more light to this issue, i think
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: TOPAC on February 05, 2009, 08:31:30 AM

so, they are blaming UB for this so-called hoax? this is my first time to hear that this is all hoax.

on the T'saday issue, i think its settled already that Marcos and company used them to portray the late strongman as someone who cares for our country's culture and heritage. also, it was a good publicity as a great discovery at that time.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: A Layman on February 05, 2009, 08:35:57 AM
The Tasadays were hoax of Manda Elizalde, PANAMIN Secretary during the Marco's era.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on February 05, 2009, 08:45:44 AM
ANd there are "tribe members" who would still perpetuate the belief nga sila true minority group.

Sadly, halos parehas sa Eskaya.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on February 05, 2009, 10:15:25 AM
puro na man ni hinoon hoax..hahahah
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on February 05, 2009, 10:55:56 AM
mao na jud
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: TOPAC on February 05, 2009, 11:26:52 AM
by the way, why would they blame jes for the hoax when he was open about the eskaya's theory as being "deniable"?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on February 05, 2009, 08:59:50 PM
Changes are inevitable, it happened all the cultures in the World. Extinction too, ew need to face it. What left is a memory of our past.

Lets make our mistakes from the past, a guiding principle of the future.

All this cultures  existed, but been banished. Even our languages and dialects.


Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on February 05, 2009, 09:07:26 PM
hoax is not about changes...it's tampering the truth. asa may tinood ani.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on February 05, 2009, 09:34:52 PM
Kay Manda Elizalde, sulti pa sa akong amigo si Rajah Carlito Buntas. Iyang gigamit ang mga Manobo ug Mandaya guihimong Tsadays. Tinood tong mga Tribu sa Bukidnon, usa ka grupo nga nagtago sa usa ka lugar. Nakaplagan to sila tungod sa pangita sa Gold bars ug Federal notes. didto kono na crash ang eroplano sa American Army. kining mga native dihay mga Federal Notes.

Nakautok si Manda guihimong Tsaday, unya guilitratohan na published sa National Geographic. Hangtod nakakuha sila nga grand sa mga Foundation.

nahimong panapi sab.

World War II kahadlokan ni si Anoy Datahan, tungod sa Anting-anting. Kining Eskaya, existing sab ni pero na convert sa PBMA ug nahimong Rizalian guikan sa Mindanao.

During sa the 70's gui lead ni Commander Asir. Pero guidakop sa mga Army. Unya na wala na to. Very secretive ni sila tungod sa PBMA. Magporong ni sila ug pula sa una may dalang sundang.

They are not actually hoax, morag ang mga researcher usahay ilang lang pun-an dugangan ang storya to make it more interesting.

Moadto ka sa Nayong Pilipino naa didto ang office ng PANAMIN tua nga picture daghan ni Manda Elizalde kuha sa Bukidnon.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on February 05, 2009, 10:35:28 PM
very interesting, raldam. i wonder if someone got jailed for making up this stuff...
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on March 02, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
These are tidbits of what I know about the Eskayas. Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.               
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on March 03, 2009, 05:44:35 AM
A classmate of mine in high is a member of Escaya has his own languages called TIMORI or BINALI. By changing B=T , I=I , N=M, A=O, L=R, I=I .

Whenever they have conversation they talk that way. Then one time I told them I understand them. They were surprise. So you're just faking the languages,  they laugh at me.


Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 03, 2009, 10:16:25 PM

is timori escayan? daghan man makamao ani sa Carmen ug Sierra Bullones kono. daghan kaliwat escaya tingali pod didto. hehehehe
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: A Layman on March 03, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
I remeber a story about Manda Elizalde with his pet Tasadays kuno which were housed inside his compound in Forbes Park. Neighbors were complaining with the stink odor coming from Manda's residence. He was even threatened to be evicted by the Home Owners Association should he not get rid of all his pets. Did you know how Manda evade the trouble? He bought all the nearby houses of the complainants. He certainly can afford to buy all those nearby houses with his millions of fund granted by several International Foundations to PANAMIN.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on March 03, 2009, 10:45:09 PM

`oo glacier Kaliwat na sila ug mga Eskaya.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 04, 2009, 12:17:57 AM

you mean Escaya ang origin aning TIMORI?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on March 04, 2009, 03:40:02 AM

Pure nga Binisaya pan lang ilang guibali-bali ang mga letra aron dili sila ma sabtan. Ug kuan pa coded ang mga letra.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 04, 2009, 06:55:19 AM

i know and hear about Timori, rald. pero, ako pasabot, ang Escaya maoy nag-una ani?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on March 04, 2009, 09:00:53 AM
That is my belief kay, ilang mga ka guikan sa Eskaya man, although they are already part of the mainstream but they spoke the TIMORI(BINALI).
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 04, 2009, 09:53:59 AM

ok. thanks. this is quite new to me that the TIMORI way of speaking originates from the escaya tribe.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on March 05, 2009, 07:23:24 AM
I have never heard the theory that there is a connection between Timori and Eskayan! This is something that I should test since my dissertation is on the Eskayan language.
So, anybody reading this thread - please help! I would like to chart this on a map of Bohol.

To any Boholano reading this, please tell me:
1. What is your birthplace?
2. Did you ever use Timori growing up?

Just reply to this message! When I finish the Timori map I will send out the link!

(PS. I have much to say about Eskaya and the hoax claims which I think could answer most people's questions. But for now, I'm too interested in Timori to comment here)

Piers Kelly
Australian National University
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on March 05, 2009, 09:57:38 AM

I am from Cortes, in Bohol. I used to hear my uncles, at least two of them, communicate in TIMORI. My mother also knows it, i just dont know if she could still speak it right now.

I used to know about a sandbar in Talibon, i think it's Mahaba Island now, which was christened by an NGO group as Tirot. It should sound editable in the Cebuano. Hmm

Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 05, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
a lot of Carmenanons are skilled in Timori. naa pa ganiy uban nga ang Timori, ila pa gyong i-twist--balihon ang TIMORI word pagkasulti. maglibog na lagi ka. hehehehe. i know some of my friends spoke that way occassionally. too bad, i never tried to learn it.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on March 05, 2009, 03:42:36 PM
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Bai if the group is called Tirol its mean b**** in Timori.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on March 05, 2009, 03:46:39 PM

My classmates are from Sudlon, Guindulman, Bohol. there family is Busilac. Its near Biasbas, Guindulman.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: ayessa on March 05, 2009, 03:54:53 PM
Cultural communities must be integrated to the mainstream society to avoid perpetual isolation which caused their stagnation and poverty.  Xenophobic people tend to fear, that such integration would cause the fading of their culture when apparently it doesnt.

Cultural heritage must likewise be equally protected not by old school "protectionist" means but by process of cultural participation and exchange.  The best way to protect them is not by means of isolating them, depriving them of technology, education and other basic services.  It is by recognizing them as part of our community, with very distinct cultural characteristics.

There are a lot of cultural communities which have been "modernized" in their way of living but still retained their cultural identity. Best examples of which are the Jews.
An important note, I have taught in Ateneo de Davao, and I had Bagobo, Maranao students.  They have still maintained their cultural identity despite modernization.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: ayessa on March 05, 2009, 04:02:13 PM
Regina Estorba, a faculty member of the CAS Department of HNU conducted an ethnographic study of the Eskaya Tribes which was entitled" Scribbling the Voice of the Tende".  A tende is term for an Eskayan woman.  You can access this research at KINA-ADMAN research publication of HNU.
Reg is currently finishing her Masters degree in Gender Studies at  ISS Netherlands.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on March 05, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
Isn't she a Macalandag now?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Bad Godesberg on March 05, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
(http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/eskchart.gif)

SELECTED SUBSET OF ESCAYA SYMBOLS

+JLY
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: ayessa on March 05, 2009, 04:20:23 PM
yes, she is married to Ryan Macalandag. you know reg?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on March 05, 2009, 04:22:05 PM
umm, i know them both. hmmm
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Bad Godesberg on March 05, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
Days of the week:
   Leni           Lunes           Monday
   Mimati   Martes           Tuesday
   Mibol   Miercoles           Wednesday
   Hubir   Jueves           Thursday
   ?           Viernes           Friday
   Sanubi   Sabado           Saturday
   Llongo   Domingo           Sunday
   

Months:
   E-mi-o   Enero   January
   Hebi-o   Febrero   February
   Maso   Marso   March
   Kabir   Abril           April
   Ma-o           Mayo        May
   Hubi           Junio   June
   Hubi-on   Julio           July
   Tatubi   Agosto   August
   Sitibi       Septiembre   September
   Oktubi   Octobre   October
   Nobi       Noviembre   November
   Dibi        Diciembre     December

+JLY
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Bad Godesberg on March 05, 2009, 04:26:28 PM
Eskaya Books
What the Eskaya consider to be an official record of their civilization is contained in a few books (notebooks) which include Unang Katawhan sa Bohol (First People of Bohol) also known as Pinay, Rangman (encyclopedia), Simplet (dictionary), Abadeha (Origin of the Alphabet), Cuadra (Mechanics of the Alphabet), Atekesis (Botanical Knowledge), Daylinda (Romantic story of one chief), and Aritmetica (Arithmetic). The books are not dated so they could be anywhere from a few decades to a few centuries old. The Eskaya claim an ancient date for the books but the publishing date has not been verified. Suffice to say, everything we discuss has the attribute of “deniability.”

In view of the tremendous amount of fantastic information that can be gleaned from these Eskaya “books,” we have to limit ourselves mostly to the subject of the Eskaya script and their number system so we can have a mangeable topic. We will also discuss briefly how the Eskaya purportedly got into Bohol.

+JLY
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: ayessa on March 05, 2009, 04:32:12 PM
ate,

wala ko kahibaw, eskaya man diay ka..

hehehhe.. wala pa ka mo work?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: aduy on March 05, 2009, 05:04:51 PM

The Eskaya, less commonly known as the Visayan-Eskaya, is the collective name for the members of a cultural minority found in Bohol, Philippines. The Eskaya community is distinguished by its cultural heritage, particularly its literature and language, although many of its earlier traditional practices are no longer strictly observed.[1] Reports indicate that Eskaya linguistic and cultural education has been in steady decline since the mid-1980s.

Most members of the Eskaya community inhabit a mountainous area that intersects the municipalities of Duero, Guindulman, Pilar and Sierra Bullones in the once-forested region of Bohol’s southeast interior. The original Eskaya settlement of Biabas (Guindulman), was established in the early 20th century by Mariano Datahan who died in 1949.[5] In 1951, the second township of Taytay (municipality of Duero) was founded by Fabian Baja in accordance with Datahan’s directions.[6] Significant Eskaya populations are now also found in the nearby townships of Canta-ub, Lundag, Tambongan, Cadapdapan and Fatimah. In 1996, the Eskaya community was awarded a certificate of Ancestral Domain Claim by President Fidel Ramos.[7] An official census of the Eskaya population has not yet been made. One report estimates that in 1991 there were 130 Eskaya families living in Bohol.

The teaching of Eskayan in the volunteer schools is one of the few remaining cultural practices of the Eskaya community.

Formerly, Eskaya men would wear shirts made of piña raffia with a Chinese-style collar, black breeches and cotton berets. Women wore piña dresses with bulging sleeves similar to the Spanish-influenced Boholano style (mostly in Biabas) and covered their hair with cotton habits (mostly in Taytay).[16] Traditionally, women were not permitted to cut their hair short nor wear trousers, and drinking and dancing were universally prohibited. For the most part these customs have been discontinued, however traditional dress is sometimes worn on Sundays and special occasions.

At weddings the parents of the bride offer the couple a glass of water and a comb. The comb is dipped in the water and run through the hair of both bride and groom. Rice is then showered on the couple, connoting plenty.  Until recently, the Eskaya practised a form of communal farming in which a portion of land was tilled for the benefit of the whole community.

Although the Eskaya had been known to people living in the vicinity of Bohol’s southeast highlands prior to World War II, it was only in the early 1980s that they came to wider public attention when government agricultural advisers toured the province to introduce Green Revolution policies.[19] Local journalists and researchers have since suggested various theories on the origins of the Eskaya but there is still no broad consensus on the subject.

As far as documented evidence is concerned, genealogies attest that many of the predecessors of those living in the communities today originally came from the town of Loon on Bohol’s western coast;[20] Mariano Datahan is reported to have arrived at the site of present-day Biabas at the turn of the nineteenth century; The Philippine Independent Church in Biabas was established in 1902;[13] Datahan wrote a letter to President Manuel Quezon in 1937;[11] and the resistance hero Col. Esteban Bernido records a meeting with Datahan in Biabas in 1944.

The Eskaya community has been the object of ongoing controversy, particularly with regards to its status as an indigenous group and the classification of the Eskayan language.[9] Intense speculation in the 1980s and 1990s on the part of journalists and lay historians generated a number of theories that continue to be elaborated without resolution.[18]

It has been argued variously that the Eskaya are a remnant of the original indigenous settlers on Bohol;[1] that they migrated to Bohol from Sumatra in the seventh century A.D.;[23] that they are descendants of the resistance groups that fought under Francisco Dagohoy;[24] that they are a cult[25] or secret society;[10] or that they are a conscious reconstruction of an imagined pre-colonial society.

Some of the more unusual proposals are that the Eskaya people are a Semitic proto-Christian tribe;[26] that they possess the lost book of Enoch;[27] that they are descended from the builders of King Solomon’s temple;[12] that their existence proves the imminence of a second Messiah in Bohol; or that they guard esoteric secrets.

Likewise, the Eskayan speech variety has been associated with languages as disparate as Hebrew, Greek, and Etruscan. Recent studies have revealed that the syntax of Eskayan is identical to that of Cebuano,[11][4][9] lending weight to the theory that Eskayan is actually an elaborate form of Cebuano coding.[6][11][9]

Legally, the Eskaya are classified as an indigenous group under Republic Act or R.A. No. 8371 entitled “The Indigenous Peoples Rights Act of 1997.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: ayessa on March 05, 2009, 05:06:47 PM
cite the source.
wikipedia?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: aduy on March 05, 2009, 05:10:02 PM

Yes, ayessa!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on March 06, 2009, 10:25:07 AM
Ha! I wrote that wikipedia article (needs updating though)

Alright, the Secret Languages of Bohol map has been started!:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=105628516000530012194.000464535d9102552fb2b&ll=9.87957,124.155121&spn=0.671048,1.230469&z=10 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=105628516000530012194.000464535d9102552fb2b&ll=9.87957,124.155121&spn=0.671048,1.230469&z=10)

Edit by clicking on the 'edit' button on the left - or just send me an email. I've cut and paste comments from this thread in there. Or just send me an email - pierskelly (at)yahoo.it
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on March 06, 2009, 11:55:52 PM
Interesting! Anoy Datahan's original name is Mariano Sumatra and the Wikipedia source says that the Eskayas originated in Sumatra.  There are still a lot of Sumatras in Loon, Anoy's jometown.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on March 11, 2009, 06:42:30 AM
You can see a family tree of Datahan/Sumatra at the facebook group 'Eskaya Cultural Heritage' (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=34913077181&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=34913077181&ref=ts))

Thanks for information on Timori, the map (see post above) is getting better and better. Keep the info coming!

Note that I'm also interested in urasyun (Latin-based ritual speech) and Loboc Musicians' Cant (veiled speech).
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: bolingitboy on March 12, 2009, 11:38:49 PM
quote from apothecary: "I used to know about a sandbar in Talibon, i think it's Mahaba Island now, which was christened by an NGO group as Tirot. It should sound editable in the Cebuano. Hmm"

the term "tirot" was invented by staff of CVRP-Talibon Site Management Unit. there were indeed places they called tirot as well as their pumpboats which they names tirot I, tirot II, etc... charito should be able to give additional information on this.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on March 13, 2009, 12:17:32 AM
Yes, nakasakay jud ko anang mga Tirot boats sa CVRP in the early 1990s. Morag acronymn nang Tirot. Nakalimot lang ko. And yes, maka explain si Charito ana. Or si Dr. Alan Poquita of BFAR.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Bad Godesberg on March 13, 2009, 03:08:58 AM
mangutana ko kay Allan Poquita  kay ako man nang ig-agaw. Sure ko kahibalo siya .
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 13, 2009, 04:17:13 AM

try kog google sa Tirot, foreign language man niguwa hahahahaha
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on March 13, 2009, 08:15:24 AM

TIROT in Timori means B*l*t. wahahah, ma edit jud ug di ta ma ban ini
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 13, 2009, 09:20:01 AM

dili diay pareho ang binali sa T (B) kung first letter ug T (T) kung last sa timori, apo?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on March 13, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
its kind of funny gali kay nganong TB ta, nga sa Timori ang T sa in Timori B man pud.

Basta kanang word nga Timori
                                       Binali.

As in ang T=B
                I=I
               M=N
               O=A
               R=L
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: apothecary on March 13, 2009, 03:39:42 PM
That way, TIROT becomes B*L*T. Huhu, i said it again, ban na jud ko.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: fdaray on March 13, 2009, 04:40:18 PM
Tinuod diay nga adunay Eskaya Tribe sa Bohol. When did this exist?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: TOPAC on March 13, 2009, 07:17:28 PM
ajaw panglaktod daray. basaha ng mga postings sa diha, hehehe.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 13, 2009, 07:52:49 PM

gikapoy na tingali og basa, bay calle, kay taas na man. hhehehe.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on March 13, 2009, 07:55:07 PM

bay apo, ibutang kono diri ang tanang kombinasyon sa timori/binali. pls.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Umeca on April 11, 2009, 01:04:28 AM
hello pwede mag ask lang ako aware kasi ako masyado sa tribes sa bohol kasi taga bohol ako....nabangit mo yung pangalan ni Rajah Buntas sabi mo kaibigan mo sya diba..nagtry ako research sa name nya sa internet tapos marami ako nakita na nirerepresentahan nya...meron mandaya, manobo, at dibabawon alin ba talaga dyan sa tatlo ang totoo?kasama rin ba dyan ang tribo sa Eskaya? kasi antropology ako according to my understanding diba dapat iisa lang ang tribe mo na dpat paglingkoran as a traditional leader..eh bakit naging marami tribo ito si rajah buntas..totoo ba sya na lider eh mukhang marami rin sya nagamit na mga tribo ayon sa internet...
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on April 11, 2009, 06:15:31 AM
Umeca, Rajah Carlito Buntas, was a Commissioner of Indigenous People. During President Erap Estrada. Was ousted from office during the time of President GMA,

When I was assigned to call a meeting for IPs group under KP( is an association of about 2000 NGOs under Nona Ricafort now in CHED) of the office of the Speaker JDV. I meet Rajah Carlito Buntas. That was the time we became friend, I tried to help him to restored him as IP Commissioner, which I found out later that in Politics you need to have a lot of influenced.

Rajah Carlito Buntas, is a Marcos loyalist, He organized all tribes in the Philippines to rally under KBL. He married to an Edralin. According to him he is the discoverer of Mt. Diwalwal ( Diwata ) in Compostela Valley. His father at one time a deputy police commander in Bohol. Its his father who bring a lot of Boholanos to be miner in Diwalwal. One of the famous name is Dodong Balonos of Loay. Who own a concession in Mt. Diwalwal. Amper, Simbajon, Herrera, etc.

His short stint in IP Commission is also a controbersial when he approved a lot of Ancestral Land Tittle to many IPs.

During his youth, He won a World Scout Gold Medal in Tribal Dance. That make him a regular visitor of President Marcos, he dance along with his troupe at Palace. He later became a scholar of PWU taking up Engineering. The Benitez included him in the BAYANIHAN DANCE TROUPE that toured around the World.

Rajah Buntas, spanish features make a Cassanova of his time, He was manly and greasefull.   

This is just some bits and pieces about Rajah Carlito Buntas, Hes life is very colorful. full of intrigued.


Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: hofelina on April 11, 2009, 06:25:17 AM
Welcome,  Umeca, unsa man ka tagalog o bol-anon?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: aduy on April 11, 2009, 10:53:22 PM

hofs, bol-anon sya, tan-awa iya first line sa iyahang statement.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: hofelina on April 12, 2009, 01:18:13 AM
kadako sa space, unya ang sinugdan tagawog, unja bol-anon man diay, shalan ba!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: aduy on April 12, 2009, 01:30:37 AM
sagdi nalang gud galing og dugay na sa Manila dili na maka stra8 og binol-anon kuma-kuma na.

naa bitaw sad uban bol-anon man kaha unya english english man.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: TOPAC on April 13, 2009, 12:22:48 PM
ako bitaw, minsan, magtagalog ako dito sa forum eh, hahaha.

ayaw na lang sukil manay para walang bokil ang imung bagil-bagil.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: aduy on April 13, 2009, 01:19:06 PM

calle, bagul bagol man cguro ui dili bagil bagil
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Umeca on April 14, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
ah ganun ba, eh nasaan na pala sya ngayon?kung dati pala sya na commissioner sa IP nong  una bakit hindi na sya nabigyan ng chance ngayon?atsaka totoo ba syan na rajah?kasi marami ako naririning na mga iba na leader sa tribo na invested DATU or yung mga adopted ano ba pinag iba non?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Candijaynon on June 08, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
According to my late Lolo this certain Anoy Datahan (leader daw ni sa eskaya) s k******n sa iyang mga baka sauna sa Cadapdapan, Candijay. Sukad sa ahong pagkagamay as a Candijaynon wa ko kadungog nga naay tribe nga eskaya. Ako lng nahibaw-an sa ako igsoon nga naay mga tawo nga nagpaluyo  para lng makakwarta kay naa baya budget ang gov't. sa mga tribes. Kinsay kaila ni Egay Dee? Pagresearch mo kinsa ning tawhana kay mao ni nagdala ug tigaw sa Bohol. 
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on June 08, 2009, 08:48:24 PM
Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems are concerned. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. A lot of research and "scholarly" works have been done on Eskaya, unya ingon lang diay niini ka yano ang iyang sugilanon. Maora og daghan ang nailad. Creativity lang gyud sa mga Bol-anon nang mga alphabets, signs and symbols nga presumably gikan pa kuno sa mga laing nasud sa Southeast Asia.

While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon (most if not all are in Spanish) are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.         
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on June 12, 2009, 09:17:22 AM
Can you tell me where you got this specific piece of information? I am writing a history of the Eskaya and I haven't come across this before. As far as I know, Mariano Sumatra was a young acolyte of a few priests in Bohol not Manila. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been to Mindanao and had contact with the Katipunan but I haven't found any records of this. Can you help?
In fact if anyone has information that is not already on the internet, please contact me at pierskelly@yahoo.it or via the facebook Eskaya group.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on June 12, 2009, 07:37:31 PM
Engr. Jes Tirol, PhD, premier Boholano historian, has an extensive account of the Eskayas.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on June 14, 2009, 10:14:25 AM
Yes, but Jes Tirol does not give any account of Mariano Datahan in Mindanao and the possible katipunan connection. He may well have a hypothesis about this but without a reference to a historical record this claim is useless.
So much has been written about the Eskaya in the past 20 years by Tirol and many others. But most of what has been written amounts to projections, possibilities and vague theories. This is all very well but it doesn't help to produce a clear idea of Eskaya history unless these claims are verifiable by persons other than the researcher. 
Everybody know that Eskaya history is controversial which is all the more reason why I am keen to collect as many reliable sources as possible.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: indaymen50 on October 30, 2009, 10:52:47 AM
Maajo  unta  kon  ibutang  pod  na  sila  sa  reservation  camps  aron  dili  mawala and   ilang  heritage....
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: fdaray on October 30, 2009, 11:10:33 AM
Engr. JEss Tirol can not give further accounts and factual information of the Eskaya tribes.The Tirols are not of Boholano origin. They migrated Bohol in the early 1940 from Antique.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: indaymen50 on October 30, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
Thanks  for  the  info...
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on November 01, 2009, 03:22:29 AM
Dr. Luigi Romanillos, a UP-based Boholano historian and linguist, and a good friend of Engr. Jes Tirol, said during the very controversial Conference of the Philippine National Historical Society held last week at HNU, that Tirol's published accounts of many historical events are full of conjectures. 
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: indaymen50 on November 01, 2009, 10:36:44 AM
So  wa  pa  jud  diay  proven  facts and  solid  evidence  about  the existence  of  the  Eskaya tribes?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: perezkelly on November 04, 2009, 06:46:55 AM
Naa diay. But it takes a lot of patience to go through the records and sort out what is historically verifiable and what is speculation. I am slowly gathering all the available Eskaya resources here in one place: http://www.scribd.com/documents#folder/55722 (http://www.scribd.com/documents#folder/55722)

For an outline of the problems facing Eskaya studies, see the introduction to the document 'Visayan-Eskaya Secondary Source Materials: Survey and Review'.  Also see Fr Ted Torralba's chapter in Tubod (you'll find it in the same scribd folder following the link above).
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: junjun on November 10, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
the sad fact about the Eskaya is only few spoke the Iskaya language. They are now helped and monitored by the government in her effort to save the unique culture of the Eskaya. There is a sunday school for the youngs but only a handful manifested interest. If this will continue, this group will become just a part of our past.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: gwargz on November 11, 2009, 12:20:02 AM
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2677/450pxstatuemarianodatahfx1.jpg[/img]

Statue of Mariano Datahan outside the Eskaya cultural school, Taytay Duero.

Naa na diay Robotics sauna. Awww. Morag robot nga estatwa.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: gwargz on November 11, 2009, 12:23:13 AM

Wala oy. Himohimo ra na ni Datahan.
Pila ra man goy paghimog letra coded.
Tan-awa ra gud tong iyang alphabets kuno,
di ba binuang nga characters.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: junjun on November 11, 2009, 03:07:02 PM
naka anha nkus ilang lugar sa biabas, taytay, lundag ug Cadapdapan. Cige pug anha sila sa amua sa unhaha. Personally close me sa 2 ka chietain nila like si si Anhing Tay Bian. My sister-in-law is a member of the tribe. I am handling socioanthropolgy and in my efforts to understand and look for possible clues, nalibug nuon kug samot. Anoy with out question was too advanced in his generation. Indeed a wise and clever man!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Candijaynon on November 11, 2009, 07:37:41 PM

Tinood jud na Gwargs.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Candijaynon on November 11, 2009, 07:38:48 PM

Tinood na. k******n na sija matod pa sa ahong Lolo.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: fdaray on November 12, 2009, 11:56:19 AM
Let us ask from the Phil. Historical Commission about this controversy The existence of EScaya tribe is not taught in our Philippine history.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: junjun on November 17, 2009, 12:23:10 PM
My brother is always in his defense, mao nga dili nalang ko mag-apil2 sa mga debate sa academe. Sa tinuoray bitaw, dili ko makatuo nila. Sorry!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: yelash on February 03, 2010, 02:47:09 PM
dili to k******n si anoy datahn.. kadto ra iya mga anak na gigamit sa binuang ang iyang gahum.. Maayong tawo to si anoy
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on February 03, 2010, 09:37:57 PM
These are tidbits of what I know about the Eskayas. Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.       
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: kaanindotsab on April 13, 2010, 05:46:50 PM
Abi ko ug ang Eskaya tribe tua magpuyo sa Taytay, Duero duol duol sa Bangwalog?
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: faithal on April 23, 2010, 02:07:36 AM
http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/mystery/eskaya1.gif[/img]

impressive ;)
 nice
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: kan-ogong on April 24, 2010, 02:39:34 AM
sukad sa akong pagka bata karon pa man ko makadungog aning ESKAYA ug wala ko mo anhi sa TB mao salamat jud MIKE. im interested the existing of the eskaya ug tinood ba. kay wala mana gud itudlo sa history nato sa high school pata.impress lang ko nga naa sila alphabet.gamay pa ko kadungog lang ko katung mga Rizalian nga mananambal. mo opera ibot ngipon nga kamot ra dah ospital lagi ang mga mitoo.na diay pod sila statue dah.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: faithal on April 24, 2010, 07:45:03 PM
 naa gyud sila dre bohol.. they existed!!
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: glacier_71 on April 27, 2010, 01:49:34 AM
yes, they are real. ug kinsay masayod, ang uban ani nila naa na gapunay og dokdok diri sa TB.  ;D
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: raldampong on April 30, 2010, 01:40:05 AM
Maybe there is a connection between PBMA of Surigao and Anoy Datahan because of its cult like religion and healing and extracting tooth through ¨tayhop¨ Commander Asir is rebellion leader in the 70´s a Rizalian and a PBMA follower who surrender in Lombog, Guindulman.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on June 02, 2010, 12:01:23 AM

Taytay is in fact an extension of the Eskaya community in Biabas.   
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: wolfpack823 on June 02, 2010, 02:58:57 AM
The Eskayas are classified as an indigenous group under RA 8371 entitled; “The Indigenous Peoples Rights Act of 1997. I hope that these people are aware of their legitimate rights, because if they are not, they will be exploited just like other minority tribes in our country. They should also avail of some government grants and programs for the development of their community.

Like natural resources, indigenous people enjoys protective statue as well. Our government and the people shall also work together to preserve their heritage.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: jc on July 13, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
 ??? what are ur basis in your statement??
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: wolfpack823 on July 13, 2010, 08:32:11 PM
Are you asking me? There are so many literatures and publications about the Eskaya tribes in the internet. I just picked the basic.
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: Koddi Prudente on July 13, 2010, 09:43:35 PM
These are tidbits of what I know about the Eskayas. Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.       
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: borobotoy on July 14, 2010, 06:00:27 PM
anad tingali ni sila mo eskrima
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: sanonidagohoy on July 15, 2010, 05:03:39 PM
Ako nakapuyo ko ug kadiyot sa Biabas ug dili ko moto-o nga mga fake ni sila. Secretive lang kaayo ni sila tungod mga estorya nga sila dili tino-od. Duna ni silay kaugalingong dialect ug dili timori. Ang Timori gigamit ni panahon sa Hapon. Duna silay kaugalingon alphabet. Dili ka makapalit ug yuta sa Biabas kon way aproval sa ilang Chieftain. Wa na ko kahibalo kon kinsa nay ilang Chieftain kay namatay na man niadtong truck depasahero ni Loring nga nahulog pagsaka padulong sa Biabas ug tungod sa kapuno niatras. Every year they have cultural and sport activities coming from different places like Taytay held mostly in Biabas. If you are interested of the tribe you should attend in this affair. You will be amzed with their Eskaya songs, dance and the way they talk Eskaya to each other. Nahibalo ba mo nga duna nay Eskaya nga Municipal councilor sa ato kaniadto? Iyang ngalan Tony. Tingali na confuse mo sa mga Eskaya ug religion nga Rizalian.
Kasagarang mga Eskaya mga Rizalian pero daghan pod nga Catholico. Bag-o paman ning Rizalian ang ilang mesa pareho ra sa Catholico. Duna say laing religion (Binobolin) diha sa Biabas nga gipangulohan ni Loring ug kini sila daghang armas ug nag terrorized niining mga Eskaya. Kon mo-adto mo sa Biabas pagbantay mo kay na-ay magsunod ninyo nga mga Binobolin kini sila dili taga Guindulman kasagaran mga tagalog. Kining grupo ni Loring daghan ug armas tungod kay daghan ni sila ug kuarta tungod kay una ka mamember ihatag ni tanang assets ni Loring, Ang ilang kampo naa sa Tambis mao nga iniglabay nimo nga
Title: Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
Post by: wolfpack823 on July 15, 2010, 07:30:28 PM
Sa ato pa gapuyo ang Eskaya sa kahadlok sa ilang mga lider.
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