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« Reply #80 on: March 11, 2009, 06:42:30 am »
You can see a family tree of Datahan/Sumatra at the facebook group 'Eskaya Cultural Heritage' (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=34913077181&ref=ts)

Thanks for information on Timori, the map (see post above) is getting better and better. Keep the info coming!

Note that I'm also interested in urasyun (Latin-based ritual speech) and Loboc Musicians' Cant (veiled speech).

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2009, 11:38:49 pm »
quote from apothecary: "I used to know about a sandbar in Talibon, i think it's Mahaba Island now, which was christened by an NGO group as Tirot. It should sound editable in the Cebuano. Hmm"

the term "tirot" was invented by staff of CVRP-Talibon Site Management Unit. there were indeed places they called tirot as well as their pumpboats which they names tirot I, tirot II, etc... charito should be able to give additional information on this.


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« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2009, 12:17:32 am »
Yes, nakasakay jud ko anang mga Tirot boats sa CVRP in the early 1990s. Morag acronymn nang Tirot. Nakalimot lang ko. And yes, maka explain si Charito ana. Or si Dr. Alan Poquita of BFAR.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2009, 03:08:58 am »
mangutana ko kay Allan Poquita  kay ako man nang ig-agaw. Sure ko kahibalo siya .


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« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2009, 04:17:13 am »
mangutana ko kay Allan Poquita  kay ako man nang ig-agaw. Sure ko kahibalo siya .


try kog google sa Tirot, foreign language man niguwa hahahahaha

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« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2009, 08:15:24 am »
Yes, nakasakay jud ko anang mga Tirot boats sa CVRP in the early 1990s. Morag acronymn nang Tirot. Nakalimot lang ko. And yes, maka explain si Charito ana. Or si Dr. Alan Poquita of BFAR.

TIROT in Timori means B*l*t. wahahah, ma edit jud ug di ta ma ban ini

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« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2009, 09:20:01 am »
TIROT in Timori means B*l*t. wahahah, ma edit jud ug di ta ma ban ini

dili diay pareho ang binali sa T (B) kung first letter ug T (T) kung last sa timori, apo?

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« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2009, 03:38:20 pm »
its kind of funny gali kay nganong TB ta, nga sa Timori ang T sa in Timori B man pud.

Basta kanang word nga Timori
                                       Binali.

As in ang T=B
                I=I
               M=N
               O=A
               R=L


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« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2009, 03:39:42 pm »
That way, TIROT becomes B*L*T. Huhu, i said it again, ban na jud ko.

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« Reply #89 on: March 13, 2009, 04:40:18 pm »
Tinuod diay nga adunay Eskaya Tribe sa Bohol. When did this exist?

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« Reply #90 on: March 13, 2009, 07:17:28 pm »
ajaw panglaktod daray. basaha ng mga postings sa diha, hehehe.

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« Reply #91 on: March 13, 2009, 07:52:49 pm »
ajaw panglaktod daray. basaha ng mga postings sa diha, hehehe.

gikapoy na tingali og basa, bay calle, kay taas na man. hhehehe.

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« Reply #92 on: March 13, 2009, 07:55:07 pm »
its kind of funny gali kay nganong TB ta, nga sa Timori ang T sa in Timori B man pud.

Basta kanang word nga Timori
                                       Binali.

As in ang T=B
                I=I
               M=N
               O=A
               R=L


bay apo, ibutang kono diri ang tanang kombinasyon sa timori/binali. pls.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2009, 01:04:28 am »
hello pwede mag ask lang ako aware kasi ako masyado sa tribes sa bohol kasi taga bohol ako....nabangit mo yung pangalan ni Rajah Buntas sabi mo kaibigan mo sya diba..nagtry ako research sa name nya sa internet tapos marami ako nakita na nirerepresentahan nya...meron mandaya, manobo, at dibabawon alin ba talaga dyan sa tatlo ang totoo?kasama rin ba dyan ang tribo sa Eskaya? kasi antropology ako according to my understanding diba dapat iisa lang ang tribe mo na dpat paglingkoran as a traditional leader..eh bakit naging marami tribo ito si rajah buntas..totoo ba sya na lider eh mukhang marami rin sya nagamit na mga tribo ayon sa internet...

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« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2009, 06:15:31 am »
Umeca, Rajah Carlito Buntas, was a Commissioner of Indigenous People. During President Erap Estrada. Was ousted from office during the time of President GMA,

When I was assigned to call a meeting for IPs group under KP( is an association of about 2000 NGOs under Nona Ricafort now in CHED) of the office of the Speaker JDV. I meet Rajah Carlito Buntas. That was the time we became friend, I tried to help him to restored him as IP Commissioner, which I found out later that in Politics you need to have a lot of influenced.

Rajah Carlito Buntas, is a Marcos loyalist, He organized all tribes in the Philippines to rally under KBL. He married to an Edralin. According to him he is the discoverer of Mt. Diwalwal ( Diwata ) in Compostela Valley. His father at one time a deputy police commander in Bohol. Its his father who bring a lot of Boholanos to be miner in Diwalwal. One of the famous name is Dodong Balonos of Loay. Who own a concession in Mt. Diwalwal. Amper, Simbajon, Herrera, etc.

His short stint in IP Commission is also a controbersial when he approved a lot of Ancestral Land Tittle to many IPs.

During his youth, He won a World Scout Gold Medal in Tribal Dance. That make him a regular visitor of President Marcos, he dance along with his troupe at Palace. He later became a scholar of PWU taking up Engineering. The Benitez included him in the BAYANIHAN DANCE TROUPE that toured around the World.

Rajah Buntas, spanish features make a Cassanova of his time, He was manly and greasefull.   

This is just some bits and pieces about Rajah Carlito Buntas, Hes life is very colorful. full of intrigued.




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« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2009, 06:25:17 am »
Welcome,  Umeca, unsa man ka tagalog o bol-anon?

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« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2009, 10:53:22 pm »
Welcome,  Umeca, unsa man ka tagalog o bol-anon?

hofs, bol-anon sya, tan-awa iya first line sa iyahang statement.

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« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2009, 01:18:13 am »
kadako sa space, unya ang sinugdan tagawog, unja bol-anon man diay, shalan ba!

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« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2009, 01:30:37 am »
sagdi nalang gud galing og dugay na sa Manila dili na maka stra8 og binol-anon kuma-kuma na.

naa bitaw sad uban bol-anon man kaha unya english english man.

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« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2009, 12:22:48 pm »
ako bitaw, minsan, magtagalog ako dito sa forum eh, hahaha.

ayaw na lang sukil manay para walang bokil ang imung bagil-bagil.

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« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2009, 01:19:06 pm »
ako bitaw, minsan, magtagalog ako dito sa forum eh, hahaha.

ayaw na lang sukil manay para walang bokil ang imung bagil-bagil.

calle, bagul bagol man cguro ui dili bagil bagil

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2009, 05:14:00 pm »
ah ganun ba, eh nasaan na pala sya ngayon?kung dati pala sya na commissioner sa IP nong  una bakit hindi na sya nabigyan ng chance ngayon?atsaka totoo ba syan na rajah?kasi marami ako naririning na mga iba na leader sa tribo na invested DATU or yung mga adopted ano ba pinag iba non?

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« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2009, 07:19:28 pm »
According to my late Lolo this certain Anoy Datahan (leader daw ni sa eskaya) s k******n sa iyang mga baka sauna sa Cadapdapan, Candijay. Sukad sa ahong pagkagamay as a Candijaynon wa ko kadungog nga naay tribe nga eskaya. Ako lng nahibaw-an sa ako igsoon nga naay mga tawo nga nagpaluyo  para lng makakwarta kay naa baya budget ang gov't. sa mga tribes. Kinsay kaila ni Egay Dee? Pagresearch mo kinsa ning tawhana kay mao ni nagdala ug tigaw sa Bohol. 

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« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2009, 08:48:24 pm »
Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems are concerned. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. A lot of research and "scholarly" works have been done on Eskaya, unya ingon lang diay niini ka yano ang iyang sugilanon. Maora og daghan ang nailad. Creativity lang gyud sa mga Bol-anon nang mga alphabets, signs and symbols nga presumably gikan pa kuno sa mga laing nasud sa Southeast Asia.

While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon (most if not all are in Spanish) are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.         

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« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2009, 09:17:22 am »
Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer.         
Can you tell me where you got this specific piece of information? I am writing a history of the Eskaya and I haven't come across this before. As far as I know, Mariano Sumatra was a young acolyte of a few priests in Bohol not Manila. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been to Mindanao and had contact with the Katipunan but I haven't found any records of this. Can you help?
In fact if anyone has information that is not already on the internet, please contact me at [email protected] or via the facebook Eskaya group.

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« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2009, 07:37:31 pm »
Engr. Jes Tirol, PhD, premier Boholano historian, has an extensive account of the Eskayas.

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« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2009, 10:14:25 am »
Yes, but Jes Tirol does not give any account of Mariano Datahan in Mindanao and the possible katipunan connection. He may well have a hypothesis about this but without a reference to a historical record this claim is useless.
So much has been written about the Eskaya in the past 20 years by Tirol and many others. But most of what has been written amounts to projections, possibilities and vague theories. This is all very well but it doesn't help to produce a clear idea of Eskaya history unless these claims are verifiable by persons other than the researcher. 
Everybody know that Eskaya history is controversial which is all the more reason why I am keen to collect as many reliable sources as possible.

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« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2009, 10:52:47 am »
Maajo  unta  kon  ibutang  pod  na  sila  sa  reservation  camps  aron  dili  mawala and   ilang  heritage....

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« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2009, 11:10:33 am »
Engr. JEss Tirol can not give further accounts and factual information of the Eskaya tribes.The Tirols are not of Boholano origin. They migrated Bohol in the early 1940 from Antique.

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« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2009, 11:23:36 am »
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« Reply #110 on: November 01, 2009, 03:22:29 am »
Dr. Luigi Romanillos, a UP-based Boholano historian and linguist, and a good friend of Engr. Jes Tirol, said during the very controversial Conference of the Philippine National Historical Society held last week at HNU, that Tirol's published accounts of many historical events are full of conjectures. 

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« Reply #111 on: November 01, 2009, 10:36:44 am »
So  wa  pa  jud  diay  proven  facts and  solid  evidence  about  the existence  of  the  Eskaya tribes?

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« Reply #112 on: November 04, 2009, 06:46:55 am »
Naa diay. But it takes a lot of patience to go through the records and sort out what is historically verifiable and what is speculation. I am slowly gathering all the available Eskaya resources here in one place: http://www.scribd.com/documents#folder/55722

For an outline of the problems facing Eskaya studies, see the introduction to the document 'Visayan-Eskaya Secondary Source Materials: Survey and Review'.  Also see Fr Ted Torralba's chapter in Tubod (you'll find it in the same scribd folder following the link above).

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« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2009, 05:20:08 pm »
the sad fact about the Eskaya is only few spoke the Iskaya language. They are now helped and monitored by the government in her effort to save the unique culture of the Eskaya. There is a sunday school for the youngs but only a handful manifested interest. If this will continue, this group will become just a part of our past.

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« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2009, 12:20:02 am »


Statue of Mariano Datahan outside the Eskaya cultural school, Taytay Duero.

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« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2009, 12:23:13 am »
So  wa  pa  jud  diay  proven  facts and  solid  evidence  about  the existence  of  the  Eskaya tribes?

Wala oy. Himohimo ra na ni Datahan.
Pila ra man goy paghimog letra coded.
Tan-awa ra gud tong iyang alphabets kuno,
di ba binuang nga characters.

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« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2009, 03:07:02 pm »
naka anha nkus ilang lugar sa biabas, taytay, lundag ug Cadapdapan. Cige pug anha sila sa amua sa unhaha. Personally close me sa 2 ka chietain nila like si si Anhing Tay Bian. My sister-in-law is a member of the tribe. I am handling socioanthropolgy and in my efforts to understand and look for possible clues, nalibug nuon kug samot. Anoy with out question was too advanced in his generation. Indeed a wise and clever man!

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2009, 07:37:41 pm »
Wala oy. Himohimo ra na ni Datahan.
Pila ra man goy paghimog letra coded.
Tan-awa ra gud tong iyang alphabets kuno,
di ba binuang nga characters.

Tinood jud na Gwargs.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2009, 07:38:48 pm »
naka anha nkus ilang lugar sa biabas, taytay, lundag ug Cadapdapan. Cige pug anha sila sa amua sa unhaha. Personally close me sa 2 ka chietain nila like si si Anhing Tay Bian. My sister-in-law is a member of the tribe. I am handling socioanthropolgy and in my efforts to understand and look for possible clues, nalibug nuon kug samot. Anoy with out question was too advanced in his generation. Indeed a wise and clever man!

Tinood na. k******n na sija matod pa sa ahong Lolo.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2009, 11:56:19 am »
Let us ask from the Phil. Historical Commission about this controversy The existence of EScaya tribe is not taught in our Philippine history.

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