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« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2019, 11:35:27 pm »
Iran shot down a U.S. drone near Iranian airspace in what Tehran calls a "clear message" to the U.S. that it will respond to what it perceives as acts of aggression.

U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East, confirmed the incident early Thursday, saying an Iranian surface-to-air missile shot down the unarmed RQ-4 Global Hawk surveillance drone. The headquarters disputed as "false" Iranian claims that the drone was operating in Iranian airspace.

"This was an unprovoked attack on a U.S. surveillance asset in international airspace," Navy Capt. Bill Urban, a spokesman for the command, said in a statement.

The incident comes at a time of particularly high tensions between Washington and Tehran, following U.S. claims that Iran as of last month presents new and dangerous threats to Americans and their allies in the region. The Trump administration has unilaterally withdrawn itself from the 2015 agreement restricting Iran's nuclear capabilities but also limiting America's ability to impose harsh sanctions, and followed through with what it considers a "maximum pressure campaign" against the Iranian regime.

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« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2019, 11:36:30 pm »
Top officials from each country have stated they do not intend to start a war. But both the U.S. and Iran have increasingly turned to military options in response to a string of contentious incidents in recent days, sparking fears that a military escalation following an incident like Thursday's could prove inevitable.

Maj. Gen. Hossein Salami, commander of Iran's elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, said shooting down the American drone should serve as a warning that the U.S. should "stay away," Iranian state media reported Thursday morning.

"Borders are our red lines and any enemy which violates them will not go back home and will be annihilated. The only way for enemies is to respect Iran's territorial integrity and national interests," Salami said. "We declare that we do not want war with any country but we are fully ready for war and the [incident today] was a clear instance of this precise message."

In an unprecedented move, Iran said earlier this week it plans to break from the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal, which analysts considered a threat it would pursue nuclear weapons if the U.S. did not dial back its sanctions regime.




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« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2019, 11:37:12 pm »
The strike followed U.S. confirmation that Iranian proxies in Yemen had tried to shoot down another American drone that was surveilling two cargo ships that were disabled by some sort of explosion a week ago. Top U.S. officials at the White House, Pentagon and State Department affirm that Iran was solely behind the attack, deploying operatives who placed limpet mines on the ships while they were transiting the Strait of Hormuz, a key shipping lane near Iranian waters.

Yemen's Houthi rebels, backed by Iran, successfully shot down another U.S. drone the week before.

Senior members of Congress have expressed concern that the Trump administration may preemptively attack Iran under congressional authorization from 2001 that allowed the U.S. to pursue the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and their associates. Top Trump officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have insisted in recent weeks that Tehran is coordinating with al-Qaida leaders.

The Trump administration's top envoy to Iran, Special Representative Brian Hook, on Wednesday refused to answer questions from a special meeting of the House Foreign Affairs Committee regarding whether the Trump administration believed it has such authority.

"If the use of military force is necessary to defend U.S. national security interests, we will do everything we need to do," Hook said.

It was not immediately clear Thursday morning whether the U.S. considered Iran's shooting down its drone as a threat to its national security interests.

Analysts last week said suspicion that the Iranian military carried out the attacks on the cargo ships – rather than farming the job out to a proxy group and granting Tehran deniability – served as evidence that the Trump administration's pressure campaign has forced Iran to act with greater desperation.

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« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2019, 11:38:24 pm »
American officials, however, insist the pressure campaign has proven successful in isolating Iran's ability to sell its oil and raise the cash it needs. Hook said Wednesday, "our pressure campaign is working."

He described it as "an economic and diplomatic one," adding "Iran has not responded to this in a diplomatic fashion."

"It has responded to it with violence, and we very much believe Iran should meet diplomacy with diplomacy, not with terror, bloodshed and distortion."

Following reports in early May that Iran posed a new threat, the U.S. expedited deploying the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group to the region, and sent a strategic bomber group. It has subsequently bolstered its military presence, including acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan's confirming on Monday he would send 1,000 more forces to the region to help protect those already there.



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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2019, 08:12:52 pm »
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Outgoing acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan arrives for a meeting with
President Donald Trump about Iran carrying a folder marked secret, at the
White House, Thursday, June 20, 2019, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon) THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2019, 08:13:59 pm »
A U.S. official says the military made preparations Thursday night for limited strikes on Iran in retaliation for the downing of a U.S. surveillance drone, but approval was abruptly withdrawn before the attacks were launched.

The official, who was not authorized to discuss the operation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, says the targets would have included radars and missile batteries.

The New York Times reported that President Donald Trump had approved the strikes, but then called them off. The newspaper cited anonymous senior administration officials.

The White House on Thursday night declined requests for information about whether Trump changed his mind.

Trump spent most of Thursday discussing Iran strategy with top national security advisers and congressional leaders. Asked earlier in the day about a U.S. response to the attack, he said, "You'll soon find out."



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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2019, 08:16:51 pm »
A top Democrat says President Donald Trump "certainly listened" to what lawmakers had to say during a White House meeting Thursday on the situation in Iran.

Rep. Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, says congressional leaders urged the president to work with U.S. allies. They stressed the "need for de-escalation" and cautioned the administration about "the risk of unintended consequences" amid heightened tensions in the Middle East.

Schiff told The Associated Press, "The president certainly listened to what we had to say."

The California Democrat says he doesn't know how the administration will respond. He says he underscored that the administration cannot rely on the authorization for use of military force approved after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

He says the meeting was "cordial" and not confrontational.

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6:15 p.m.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is urging a "strategic, smart" response, in concert with U.S. allies, to the downing of an unmanned U.S. drone by Iran.

Pelosi says the "high-tension wires are up" in the region and says the U.S. "must do everything we can not to escalate the situation, but also to make sure our personnel in the region are safe."

The California Democrat tells reporters it is not clear whether the incident was an intentional attack, but adds, "whatever it is, it was Iranian."

She says Democrats made it clear to President Donald Trump at a meeting Thursday that the White House would need authorization from Congress before launching military action against Iran.

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5:30 p.m.

Top Democrats are warning President Donald Trump that he would need authorization from Congress before launching military action against Iran.

Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer says he told the president during a classified briefing at the White House that there must be a "robust, open debate" and Congress should "have a real say."

He said he's worried the administration "may bumble into a war."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the administration should engage with U.S. allies "and do everything in our power to de-escalate."

The more-than-hourlong briefing on Iran was attended by leaders of both parties.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said afterward that he could confirm that a drone shot down by Iran was flying over international waters. He says the drone was fired upon from Iranian soil.

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5 p.m.

Top administration officials and lawmakers have left the White House after a more than hourlong briefing about Iran's downing of an American surveillance drone in the Middle East amid mounting tension between the U.S. and Iran.

The White House invited House and Senate leaders and Democrats and Republicans on the House and Senate intelligence and Armed Services committees to meet with President Donald Trump on Thursday.

Others who arrived for the meeting included CIA Director Gina Haspel, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and Army Secretary Mark Esper, who Trump has said he'll nominate as defense secretary.

Shanahan was carrying a folder stamped "SECRET/NOFORN," an intelligence classification category prohibiting distribution to anyone outside the United States government.

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3:30 p.m.

Top administration officials and lawmakers are arriving at the White House for a briefing about Iran's downing of an American surveillance drone in the Middle East amid mounting tension between the U.S. and Iran.

The White House invited House and Senate leaders of both parties and Democrats and Republicans on the House and Senate intelligence and Armed Services committees to meet with President Donald Trump on Thursday.

It's unclear if Trump is planning a U.S. response. He told reporters that Iran made a "very big mistake" but also said he has the feeling that it might have been the result of someone being "loose" or doing something "stupid."

Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and Army Secretary Mark Esper, who Trump has said he'll nominate as defense secretary, also arrived for the meeting.

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3:10 p.m.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden says that President Donald Trump has made military conflict with Iran more likely and that "another war in the Middle East is the last thing we need."

Biden made the remarks Thursday as tensions between Washington and Tehran escalated over the downing of an American drone over Iranian airspace.

Biden says Trump's strategy in Iran is "a self-inflicted disaster" since Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear agreement negotiated when Biden was vice president.

Biden says there's no question that Iran "continues to be a bad actor that abuses human rights and supports terrorist activities." But he says the U.S. needs presidential leadership at this moment.

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2:55 p.m.

Democratic presidential candidate Kirsten Gillibrand is demanding that President Donald Trump abstain from sending American troops into a conflict with Iran without congressional approval.

The New York senator outlined her position in a sharply worded letter to the White House on Thursday.

Gillibrand writes that she's "deeply concerned that your administration's stepped up military presence in the Middle East, in conjunction with your dangerous and confusing rhetoric, may lead the United States into a protracted, costly, and unnecessary war with Iran. Such a war is not authorized, would unnecessarily risk the lives of Americans and our allies, cause enormous human suffering, and destabilize the economy."

Gillibrand's position is not unique in her party, but she becomes one of the first Democratic presidential candidates to share her concerns with the White House directly.

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1:50 p.m.

The White House is inviting House and Senate leaders for a briefing with President Donald Trump on Thursday afternoon to discuss tensions with Iran.

That's according to two people familiar with the invitation who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it.

In addition to House and Senate leaders of both parties, the White House extended the invitation to the top Democrats and Republicans on the House and Senate intelligence and Armed Services committees.

The briefing comes after Iran's Revolutionary Guard shot down a U.S. surveillance drone. Trump said it might have been a mistake executed by someone just being "loose and stupid" and was coy about whether the U.S. would respond. He told reporters, "you'll find out."

— Mary Clare Jalonick

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12:35 p.m.

President Donald Trump is playing down Iran's downing of an American drone, saying that it might have been a mistake executed by someone just being "loose and stupid."

Trump told reporters Thursday that the shoot down of the drone was a "new wrinkle" in escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran — a "fly in the ointment."

He was coy about whether the U.S. would respond, saying only that "you'll find out."

He said he has a feeling that it was a mistake — that a "general or somebody" made a mistake in shooting that drone down.

But he added that Iran made a "big mistake" and that the U.S. "will not stand for it."

Trump's words appear to signal that there may not be an immediate U.S. response to the incident.

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12:20 p.m.

President Donald Trump says Iran made a "very big mistake" when it shot down a U.S. drone, but he isn't saying how the U.S. plans to respond, saying only "you're going to find out."

Trump is speaking to reporters while meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as tensions between Washington and Tehran escalated over the downing of the drone, the U.S. exit from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and sanctions crippling Iran's economy.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard said it shot down the drone over Iranian airspace. The U.S. military is calling the downing an "unprovoked attack" and said it occurred over international airspace in the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump said: "It was in international waters."

Iran's Revolutionary Guard says it shot down the RQ-4 Global Hawk drone over Iranian airspace.

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12:20 p.m.

A senior U.S. military official says Iran shot down an unmanned American aircraft over international waters in an attempt to disrupt U.S. efforts to monitor the Persian Gulf area.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Joseph Guastella says the shooting down of the drone follows recent threats to international shipping commerce in the region that the U.S. has blamed on Iran.

The commander of U.S. Central Command air forces in the region disputed Iranian claims that the drone was over Iranian air space.

Guastella told reporters Thursday that the aircraft was at high altitude and at least 34 kilometers from Iranian territory when it was shot over the Gulf of Oman.

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11:05 a.m.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the U.S. cannot be "reckless" amid rising tensions with Iran.

Pelosi said Thursday she doesn't think President Donald Trump wants to go to war. And she said the American people don't want war either.

"There's no appetite for going to war in our country," she said.

The country needs to be "strong and strategic" about protecting its interests, Pelosi said, and "cannot be reckless."

Pelosi called a caucus-wide meeting of Democrats for later Thursday on Iran. House and Senate leadership will also be briefed by administration officials.

Tensions between Tehran and Washington have been rising over the collapsing nuclear deal with world powers. On Thursday, Iran's Revolutionary Guard shot down a U.S. surveillance drone.

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10:20 a.m.

President Donald Trump declared Thursday that "Iran made a very big mistake" in shooting down a U.S. drone.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders says Trump was briefed Wednesday night and again Thursday morning about the incident. She says the administration also will keep in touch with lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

Trump made his comment on Twitter in midmorning.

American and Iranian officials are disputing the circumstances of the incident.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard said it shot down the drone over Iranian airspace. The U.S. military is calling the downing an "unprovoked attack" and said it occurred over international airspace in the Strait of Hormuz.



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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2019, 09:44:19 pm »
continuous ang atong coverage kay thrilling na ni ug sugod. nanimahong komo hihihihi. lisod ug ma dajon ni unja mahimong nuclear. patay tanan hasta ok-ok

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« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2019, 09:46:08 pm »

mao ni mahimong resulta. killed ta tanan ug mahimong nuclear warfare. wala tay ka daganan

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« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2019, 09:48:33 pm »
dili nimo ni ma basa sa manila daily inquirer, cebu daily news, bohol standard. anhi ra ni nimo masubay sa tubagbohol kronikol. busa ayaw ninyo sipyata .

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« Reply #90 on: June 22, 2019, 04:29:32 am »
na anghelan. gi recall ni trump ang retaliatory strike against iran

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« Reply #91 on: June 22, 2019, 04:30:48 am »
Trump Calls Off Retaliatory Strike Against Iran
Hours after Iran reportedly downed a sophisticated U.S. drone, the president recalled a military strike after it launched.

By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior National Security Writer June 21, 2019, at 9:27 a.m.

presko ug lab-as jud ni nga balita. this is the latest news

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« Reply #92 on: June 22, 2019, 04:32:01 am »

President Donald Trump originally approved the military strike after Iran shot down
a multimillion-dollar U.S. drone on Thursday, June 20, 2019.(EVAN VUCCI/AP)

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« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2019, 04:32:55 am »
PRESIDENT Donald Trump on Thursday night abruptly called off a military strike against Iran that had been planned in retaliation for the downing of a sophisticated American drone over international waters.


The New York Times first reported that the president had approved the retaliatory measure after Iran shot down a multimillion-dollar Navy RQ-4 Global Hawk drone with a surface-to-air missile near the Strait of Hormuz.

Military and diplomatic officials were reportedly expecting the strike against Iranian radar and missile sites as late as 7 p.m. Eastern time on Thursday, with planes in the air and ships in position to carry it out. It's not clear whether Trump abruptly changed his mind about carrying out the strikes or if some unforeseen logistical hurdle interfered with the U.S. plans.



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« Reply #94 on: June 22, 2019, 04:33:42 am »
In a series of tweets Friday morning, Trump said the U.S. was "cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different [sites]" before a general told him 150 people would die in the strike.

Trump said he believed the strike was "not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone." He added he is in "no hurry" and that sanctions his administration has imposed against Iran are "biting." He said he added more Thursday night.

The strike would have been Trump's third against targets in the Middle East. He ordered two missile strikes against Syrian targets in 2017 and 2018. He also authorized a previously planned Navy SEAL raid in Yemen days into his administration in early 2017, which resulted in the death of one of the commandos.

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« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2019, 04:34:13 am »
Speaking to reporters earlier on Thursday, Trump said Iran had made "a very big mistake" in attacking the drone, which Tehran on Friday continued to say was in Iranian airspace at the time it was shot down. Trump also indicated he believed Iran's top leadership may not have ordered the strike, suggesting instead that it may have been carried out by someone "loose and stupid."

U.S. officials said the drone was shot down over international waters, where it fell after it was shot down. Officials from Iran claimed Friday it had recovered parts of the drone within its territory.

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« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2019, 09:07:43 am »

Fire and smoke billow from the Norwegian-owned Front Altair tanker on June 13, 2019,
in the Gulf of Oman. Benchmark crude oil prices this week jumped after Iran shot down
a U.S. surveillance drone near the Strait of Hormuz.(AFP/GETTY IMAGES)

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« Reply #97 on: June 22, 2019, 09:24:26 am »
BENCHMARK CRUDE OIL prices this week experienced their biggest jump in months after Iran shot down a U.S. surveillance drone near the Strait of Hormuz, prompting concerns about further regional unrest and threats to oil security in the Middle East.

Brent crude oil, the benchmark for global prices and U.S. gasoline, had climbed by more than 8% since Monday and by over 5% in just the past 36 hours, as of Friday afternoon, after President Donald Trump announced that he had called off a retaliatory military strike against Iran. West Texas Intermediate, which tracks prices for the light, sweet crude produced in the U.S., had shot up by more than 11%.

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« Reply #98 on: June 22, 2019, 09:26:11 am »
The leap in prices amounts to a remarkable turnabout for a market that had seemed all but impervious to price hikes.

"We certainly did see a jump when this occurred, particularly when it wasn't clear what kind of response we were looking at," says Ellen Wald, president of Transversal Consulting and a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council Global Energy Center. "It's a fairly good increase from where we were earlier."

While the escalation of tensions with Iran was the most obvious driver of the spike in oil prices, it occurred in the wake of other events this week that also may have had an influence.

The downing of the drone occurred less than 48 hours after President Donald Trump revealed Tuesday that he would be meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping at next week's G-20 summit in Japan – fueling hopes that an end or even just an easing of the two countries' tit-for-tat sanctions may be in sight. The Federal Reserve meanwhile indicated that it wouldn't raise interest rates and left the door open for a future cut, offering further reassurance to markets that there may not be a feared slowdown in demand.

In the wake of both developments, the S&P 500 – which Brent crude prices have closely tracked – and the Dow Jones industrial average had each climbed by more than 2.5% as of Friday.

"I wouldn't be surprised if some of this elevation in oil prices is due to a more favorable economic outlook," Wald says.

Oil prices are notoriously difficult to predict. Demand from the summer driving season typically drives an increase in prices – going into the Fourth of July weekend last year, Brent was hovering around $80 per barrel.

Yet before Thursday, global worries about an abrupt dropoff in demand – sparked by the U.S.-China trade war and portents of a looming recession – had kept prices between an anemic $59 and $61 per barrel since the start of June. They remained there despite falling inventories of oil worldwide, regional unrest in major oil producing countries, an agreement by OPEC members and Russia to extend production cuts, and even attacks last week on a Japanese and a Norwegian oil tanker near the Strait of Hormuz – events that once would have ignited fears about supply and sent prices soaring. Crude was fetching about $15-20 less than the same period last year, and roughly $10-15 less than analysts anticipated.

Booming U.S. oil production is perhaps most responsible for insulating markets from wild swings in prices, at least for now: Hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling in the past decade have propelled the country to become the world's top oil producer, and in recent months it's seen production rise even as dozens of rigs have gone offline.

"Underlying all of this is the fact that U.S. production continues to grow solidly this year, and it's also expected to grow next year, which is why if demand growth weakens, then the market could be looking at an oversupply," says Ann-Louise Hittle, vice president for oils research at the consulting firm Wood Mackenzie.

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« Reply #99 on: June 22, 2019, 09:27:30 am »
Yet experts also generally agreed that investors' concerns about a drop-off in demand were keeping prices too low, especially based on what's often called the "fundamentals" – the basics of supply and demand. The question was what it would take to shake prices from their stupor.

"Oil prices barely budged on the news. This looks far too complacent," Steven Kopits, managing director of Princeton Energy Advisors, wrote in an email following last week's attack on the oil tankers. Predicting an increase in prices,he continued, "the risk on oil prices seems clearly to the upside over the next 10-day period."

Events this week seemed to provide that answer – at least for now. Between U.S.-Iran tensions, a potential end to the U.S.-China trade war and promising news from the Fed, Brent prices going into Friday afternoon were holding above $65. West Texas Intermediate was remaining around $57, but some analysts predicted it could reach $60 in the days ahead.

What happens with prices going forward depends on a variety of factors: If Trump and Xi signal significant progress in their scheduled talks next week, prices might jump. Conversely, Trump's disclosure Friday that he abruptly called off a planned military strike on Iran seemed to indicate that diplomatic and economic responses may still be on the table – perhaps avoiding a likely increase in oil prices caused by further military actions.

"From here, prices could go down $5 or they could go up $5, but it depends whether the U.S. reaches out to Iran or not. If it does, then oil prices will fall back to $62. If it doesn't, then we'll see another Iranian incident, after which there will be another very specific U.S. military response," Kopits says. "Then we're talking about Brent will be above $70 and WTI will be above $60."



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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #100 on: June 22, 2019, 11:51:50 pm »

An oil tanker is on fire in the sea of Oman, Thursday, June 13, 2019. Two oil tankers near the strategic Strait of Hormuz were reportedly attacked on Thursday, an assault that left one ablaze and adrift as sailors were evacuated from both vessels and the U.S. Navy rushed to assist amid heightened tensions between Washington and Tehran.(ISNA/AP)

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #101 on: June 22, 2019, 11:53:08 pm »
naka hinomdom na hinoon ko kaniadto sa SHEman pa ko pagka kita naho ining picture

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #102 on: June 22, 2019, 11:59:57 pm »
wala pa tay balita karon. maayo na lang nangakak si trump, wala dayona ang gi plan nga retaliatory strikes against iran. lisod na kay mahimo unyang pabilo sa WW3.

gubot kanunay ning atong kalibotan. di mawala ning gera gera. maajo unta ug walay gera kay nahilona na ko dinhi sa states. naay gamatoy nga balay, mga kotse nga kagalkal. ano pang hanapin mo.

kadtong nag subay aning topic, tune in lang mo sa youtube for updates. up to date ang balita bahin sa US vs. Iran

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2019, 03:28:20 am »
Trump warns Iran of ’obliteration like you’ve never seen before’

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2019, 03:29:49 am »
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President Donald Trump warned the United States may launch a devastating military attack on Iran unless it comes to the negotiating table and drops its bid to develop nuclear weapons.

“I'm not looking for war, and if there is, it'll be obliteration like you’ve never seen before. But I’m not looking to do that. But you can’t have a nuclear weapon. You want to talk? Good. Otherwise you can have a bad economy for the next three years,” Trump said during an interview with NBC’s “Meet The Press” airing Sunday.


The president said he’d be willing to sit down with Iranian officials without preconditions.

The comments, made during an interview taped Friday, came the same day Trump confirmed on Twitter that he called off a retaliatory strike on Iran at the last minute Thursday night. He said he decided that the potential cost of human lives was “not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.”

Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said Thursday it had shot down an American drone, claiming it had entered Iranian airspace, a claim disputed by the U.S., which has maintained the drone was over international waters. Both countries have since produced what they say is evidence supporting their respective positions.

Trump said the U.S. had a “modest but pretty, pretty heavy attack schedule,” but planes were not in the air when he called off the attack.



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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2019, 03:30:58 am »
The commander in chief said the response now should be increased sanctions on Iran’s economy.

“We’re increasing the sanctions now,” adding the country’s economy has already been “shattered.”

Trump said he believes Iranian officials want to negotiate and that any deal would have to be about nuclear weapons. He also claimed that Iran had violated the nuclear agreement struck by the Obama administration and other world powers.

“They cannot have a nuclear weapon,” he said. “They cannot have a nuclear weapon. They’d use it. And they’re not going to have a nuclear weapon.”

Trump also disputed that he sent a message to Iranian leaders through a third country, saying he did not want conflict, dubbing it “fake news.”

However, he also declined to send a message during the interview to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

“Wouldn’t be much different than that message,” Trump said.



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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2019, 03:35:53 am »
The hysteria of war is once more gripping Washington. President Donald Trump reportedly ordered and later canceled airstrikes against Iran for its latest provocations. The litany of Iranian mischief is certainly a long one: Tehran has declared its intention to violate the Iran nuclear deal—the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action—by exceeding limits on enrichment stockpiles; it has, according to the Trump administration, assaulted oil tankers in the Persian Gulf, thus interfering with commercial traffic in an international waterway; and on Thursday it shot down a U.S. drone.

Having studied the Iranian regime for decades, I believe the purpose of all this, however, is not to start a war with America. More likely, it’s to enter talks with Washington claiming to be the empowered party that has withstood America’s strategy of maximum pressure. Before negotiating with the United States, Iran needs a narrative of success. And the events of the past few days, in which the Trump administration threatened and then backed off a military confrontation, have finally provided Tehran with a justification to enter talks with, in Iran’s telling, a chastened Washington.


You could see this narrative develop on Friday, when—hours after Trump reportedly called off airstrikes—the podiums of the Islamic Republic proclaimed victory. Tehran’s influential Friday Prayer leader Ali Akbari insisted, “The enemies also know that if they start a war, they will not end it.” General Amir Hajizadeh of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps boasted that it could have easily shot down a U.S. spy plan, “but we did not do it.” (Trump on Saturday nodded to the same event: “There was a plane with 38 people yesterday, did you see that? … They had it in their sights and they didn’t shoot it down. I think they were very wise not to do that. And we appreciate that they didn’t do that. I think that was a very wise decision.”)

The reality is more complicated than Iran’s assertions of success. First, the White House abrogated the JCPOA without being isolated internationally. Then, it managed to gain multilateral support for its economic sanctions, as European businesses complied with U.S. demands over the objections of Europe’s diplomats and politicians. By the International Monetary Fund’s estimate, due to the sanctions, Iran’s GDP will contract by 6 percent while inflation hovers around 50 percent. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo then announced 12 demands for a new nuclear treaty with Iran, sensibly suggesting that the U.S. has to address not just Iran’s nuclear weapons aspirations but also its penchant toward terrorism and regional subversion. And finally, the administration has made much progress in reducing Iran’s exports to zero.

In other words, Iran has much more to gain by negotiating with the U.S. than by continuing the confrontation. Iranian diplomats, who believe they came out of talks with the Obama administration with the longer end of the stick, think that if they enter any negotiating room they can easily beset their interlocutors. Stalemated talks will inevitably generate pressure on the Trump team by European allies and Democrats who will insist that the Pompeo parameters are unrealistic and must be abandoned. Many within the professional bureaucracy led by State Department diplomats, intelligence analysts and Pentagon generals are likely to echo these themes. The Iranians have seen these pressures and fears of another war in the Middle East drive both the Obama and the George W. Bush administrations to the negotiating table, and they hope the same factors will finally cause Trump and Pompeo to narrow their gaze to some modest changes in the JCPOA, rather than a total overhaul. But Iran’s leadership, which has insisted to its populace for two years that it will not enter talks with a truculent Trump, requires a narrative of success justifying its turnabout. The regime cannot enter negotiations as a supplicant battered by American sanctions.



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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #107 on: June 24, 2019, 03:36:17 am »
I believe this is why Tehran in May opted for a riskier strategy of incrementally increasing pressure on America while whittling down its demands for resumption of nuclear talks. President Hassan Rouhani announced Iran would gradually reconsider its obligations under the JCPOA starting with retaining enriched uranium at home as opposed to sending it abroad. Then, the Trump administration accused Iran of attacking oil tankers around the Strait of Hormuz. Iran has denied the attacks, but Iran has often threatened Gulf shipping whenever it has faced sanctions and threats from America—a signal to the international community that the Islamic Republic is capable of obstructing oil commerce through one of the most strategically vital waterways. And then for good measure, Iran shot down an American drone. Tehran, I think, hoped that its incremental escalation would not lead to war, but generate a diplomatic process. It was a risky move, but one that may yet pay off.

Look closely, and you’ll see that in the past weeks, Rouhani and Foreign Minister Javad Zarif have also offered their own subtle olive branch. Rouhani stopped insisting that America rejoin the JCPOA as a precondition to talks while stressing, “We are for logic and talks if [the other side] sits respectfully at the negotiating table and follows international regulations, not if it issues an order to negotiate.” Zarif has cautioned Trump, “You campaigned against costly stupid interventions,” but a “conniving cabal of warmongers and butchers, the infamous B-Team, is plotting for way more than what you bargained for.” By separating Trump from his so-called belligerent advisers, Zarif intimated that Trump can be a statesmen if only he dispenses with the reckless aides who are, in Zarif‘s words, tricking him into war.


Some in the foreign policy community at times suggest that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is opposed to any talks and will not permit his diplomats to reengage with the United States. But this is a misreading of Khamenei, who has routinely denounced talks in public while supporting them in private. After all, the talks with the Obama administration would not have taken place without his consent. In a recent speech, Khamenei claimed he had opposed the JCPOA and had warned Rouhani and Zarif not to trust the Americans. But he added that the executive branch, led by Rouhani, is responsible for diplomacy and that he himself rarely intervenes in such matters unless they threaten the revolution itself.

This tells us that if Rouhani in his role as the head of the executive branch wants to embark on talks with America, Khamenei will publicly express his skepticism while essentially allowing the negotiations to proceed. This is a convenient way for the supreme leader to disown controversial talks with the U.S. so that Rouhani will have to deal with any political blowback.

It’s clear to me that the talks between United States and Iran are coming. And the challenge for the Trump administration is to hold fast to the Pompeo parameters. Ultimately, the legacy of Trump’s Iran policy will be whether the adminisration can sustain its hawkish policy and move forward with successful negotiations or whether it will join its predecessor in abandoning its own sensible red lines for sake of an agreement at any cost.



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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #108 on: June 24, 2019, 03:41:45 am »


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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #109 on: June 24, 2019, 03:43:48 am »
hala kombate na. cool lang ang iran. kataw-an lang si trump. porbida ning ahong manok. menos ug labok hihihihi

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2019, 03:47:46 am »
kotob ra man sa pangisog si trump. hala bombahi na poslan man.

bitaw mag ampo tang tanan oi. kay lisod ni ug masugdan. mahimo na unjang WORLD WAR 3 kay labanay na man. molaban ang russia ug china sa iran. unya kinsa may mo laban sa US. ang pilipinas? ma pordoy ta kay daku ug gasto ning gera.

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2019, 04:00:26 am »

A Ghader missile is launched from the area near the Iranian port of Jask port on the shore of the Gulf of Oman during an Iranian navy drill, Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013. Iran says it has tested advanced anti-ship missiles in the final day of a naval drill near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, the passageway for one-fifth of the world's oil supply. State TV says "Ghader", or "Capable", a missile with a range of 200 kilometers (120 miles), was among the weapons used Tuesday. It says the weapon can destroy warships. (AP Photo/Jamejam Online, Azin Haghighi) (AP2013)

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« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2019, 04:39:32 am »
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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2019, 10:38:51 am »
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FILE - In this Feb. 3, 2019 file photo, an Iranian clergyman looks at domestically built surface to surface missiles displayed by the Revolutionary Guard in a military show marking the 40th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, at Imam Khomeini Grand Mosque in Tehran, Iran. On Monday, April 8, 2019, the Trump administration designated Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a “foreign terrorist organization” in an unprecedented move against a national armed force. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps went from being a domestic security force with origins in the 1979 Islamic Revolution to a transnational fighting force. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi, File)

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2019, 10:15:20 pm »
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Iranian official warns more US spy drones can be blown out of the sky

An Iranian military official said Monday that Tehran is capable of shooting down more
American spy drones as tensions between the two countries continue to simmer, according
to a report out of the country.

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2019, 10:16:25 pm »
An Iranian military official said Monday that Tehran is capable of shooting down more American spy drones as tensions between the two countries continue to simmer, according to a report out of the country.

Rear. Adm. Hossein Khanzadi, Iran's naval chief, said Iran can deliver another “crushing response … and the enemy knows it," according to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

IRAN LIKELY AT 'INFLECTION POINT,' LAUNCHING ATTACKS TO CHANGE 'STATUS QUO,' DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY DIRECTOR TELLS FOX NEWS

Trump called off military strikes against Tehran after Iranians shot down a U.S. surveillance drone, which was valued at over $100 million.

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2019, 10:17:48 pm »
Iran claimed that the drone was flying over its airspace at the time of the shooting. Washington insisted that the drone was over international waters.

In an interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Trump said that he did not think the potential loss of life in Iran was “proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.”

Instead of a military strike, the president noted that his administration plans to ratchet up the already hefty sanctions on Iran. Trump is prepared to announce new sanctions on the country on Monday.

Trump expressed his willingness to open talks with Iranian officials without any preconditions – saying that he doesn’t want a war with the Islamic Republic, but if it comes down to an armed conflict it will be “obliteration like you've never seen before.”

The Associated Press and Fox News’ Andrew O’Reilly contributed to this report.

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2019, 10:19:42 pm »
na isog na ang iran kay kotob ra man gud sa hata hata si trump. gi birahan unta nija dajon. unya nangakak man. wala dajona ang retaliatory strike.

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2019, 10:22:20 pm »

U.S. National Security Advisor John Bolton gives statements to media in Jerusalem, Sunday, June 23, 2019. (Associated Press)

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Re: WW3 US vs Iran
« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2019, 10:24:01 pm »
U.S. national security adviser John Bolton had a message for Iran on Sunday during his visit to Israel: He advised the leaders of the Islamic nation not to “mistake U.S. prudence and discretion for weakness.”

Bolton’s comment followed Friday’s confirmation by President Trump that he had called off a planned retaliatory attack against Iran following that country’s downing of a U.S. military drone Thursday in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump said he reconsidered action after deciding that the potential loss of life in a military action was not “proportionate” after Iran had attacked an unmanned aircraft.

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