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Racism Against Filipinos
« on: April 27, 2012, 05:58:50 AM »
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The Assistant Attorney General (AAG) of Guam is in hot water after an anonymously posted YouTube video revealed alleged racist remarks he made towards the local Filipino community.

The Philippine Consul General’s Office plans to meet with the Guam Bar Association to find out whether or not AAG Ben Abram’s remarks warrant an ethics complaint, according to the KUAM TV news in Guam.

“The AG (attorney general) expressed his apprehension that the video incident might create a propaganda effect and divert the focused determination of the AGO (attorney general’s office) to prosecute the concerned case with integrity and transparency,” said Philippine Consul General Bayani Mangibin in a statement to the TV station.

The uproar occurred when an anonymous person posted a video showing Abrams refuting an unnamed person’s remarks about sending transcription work to the Philippines.

“Their English is not good enough,” said Abrams. “I don’t think their English is good enough…I don’t like that idea at all… You’re dealing with a Third World country where English is a second language.”

Abrams, whose wife is a Filipina, said the remarks were taken out of context.

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Re: Racism Against Filipinos
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 01:25:18 PM »
how seynseytib naman natin... unsaon ta man kun ang iyang basis intawon ang inenglisan ra man sa iyang asawa? ;D

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 01:33:57 PM »
seriously, i do not believe that saying that a certain nation has poor english can be called racism.  our nation does not have english as a first language, to begin with.  so what's the fuss?  is it racism if the philippines is also said to be ignorant of the russian language?

i know of many americans who write with atrocious grammar, in their own language.  is that a racist statement?

tagalogs make jokes of bisayas and look down on them.  is that racism?  (heavens, we're of the same race, lest we forget.)

guam natives are huge and dark and they look dirty no matter how they bathe.  now, am i racist?

 ??? ;D :P

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Re: Racism Against Filipinos
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 01:40:13 PM »


hey, yo, c'mon, man.  let's do de twist wid 'ere grass skirt an' yodel, man.  a-wan, a-tu, a-tre...

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 02:41:02 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 03:10:20 PM »
Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment (which some regard as "discrimination") of members of that race.  The term is commonly used negatively and is usually associated with race-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression; the term can also have varying and contested definitions.  (wiki)

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 03:15:10 PM »
other definitions of racism:

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races, and the expression of such prejudice. - Oxford English Dictionary (wiki)

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 03:17:28 PM »
 [A] belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and alternatively that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. - Merriam-Webster's Dictionary (wiki)

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 03:24:55 PM »
The  belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others. - Macquarie Dictionary (wiki)

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 03:25:18 PM »
What is interesting is the fact that Guam was considered part of the Philippines prior to the Treaty of Paris (1898). The ethnic Chamorro (native people of Guam) were mingled with the Filipinos when the Spaniards administered the islands , and later on with the United States taking over, there is a considerable Filipino presence in the island. the overwhelming majority of the people living in Guam are Filipino or of Filipino descent .



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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 08:32:15 PM »
Unsa man intawoy naka racist ani? sensitive ra jud bitaw tang mga pinoy. Tinood man ang giingon ni abram kay hunahunaa ang trabaho transcriber ba to. Ug akong bana ang pasultion most of our english daw book taught which is true nga usahay atong pronunciation di pareha nila nga maoy gidak-an. Example antibiotic sakto kaayo atong pronunciation pero ug silay pasultion lamon lamonon nilang ang word. Naa poy uban nga kinawrong atong pronunciation kay unsaon mao may atong nalearn sa atong english teacher. Kapila kaha ko correction sa akong bana ug worst of all akong mga anak hehhe kay wa magdadimao akong english ug pronunciation ug dili pud ko moexcuse nga unsaon english is my second third language man magpasalamat jud nuon ko ug dako nga ila kong gi correctionan. Naa koy kaila nga pinay nahulog ug ga divorce jud nuon sa iyang bana kay unsaon sensitive kaayo unya ang bana wa poy pasensya inay tudluan ug sakto pakaulawan man nuon ang english. Di pareha nako ug akong bana nga mangatawa ra inig human nako ug correction dayon kung ingon Thank You.

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 09:19:31 PM »
this is true, sensitive ra kaayo ta. halos tanang estorya nga dili maayo sa reputation sa Pinoy apangitaan ug debate.

this was in 1999: (tinuod bitaw ni)
The city council of Manila voted 3 weeks ago to ban all movies featuring
Claire Danes because the actress dissed the Philippine city in the
current issue of Premiere Magazine. "She is declared persona non
grata," councilor Kim Atienza tells the Associated Press. At Magazine
issue is Danes' public recollection of the months she spent in Manila
earlier this year while shooting scenes for Brokedown Palace in a
dilapidated mental hospital. The city "just f--king smelled of
cockroaches," she told Premiere Magazine. "There's no sewage system in
Manila, and people have nothing there. People with, like, no arms, no
legs, no eyes, no teeth.... Rats were everywhere."

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 09:41:51 PM »
we could just have laughed at claire danes's ignorance and blindness. ;D

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 09:47:17 PM »
those manila city legislators simply showed their pettiness.  ngano man tawon nga gitagad pa man nila ang statement ug second rate hollywood actress nga klaro man tawon nga wa ma-edukar?  pasagdan na lang unta nila nga parehang annabelle rama ug amalia fuentes ang moatbang ni inday claire. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2012, 04:26:38 PM »
guam natives are huge and dark and they look dirty no matter how they bathe.  now, am i racist?

Bwahaha! What a rhetorical question! ;D

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2012, 06:02:44 PM »
Bwahaha! What a rhetorical question! ;D

as it turns out, abrams appears to be caucasian in the video.  i was barking up the wrong tree. :-[

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 12:08:43 AM »
Sa akong experience, kasagarang taw nga mo generalize, kuwang2 ra na sila ug experience and education.  Ang mga taw nga kusog kaayo mo look down sa uban, sila gyud tong obvious nga alanganin ug utok, edukasyon ug experience sa kalibutan. Ma puti, itum, brown, hasta kapwa pinoy. Kung gustohon lang, daghan ug world class services makuha nato sa Pilipinas.  Only, ang mga taw nga walay alamag, dli magdahom kay dli siguro kaya sa ilang utok i-reconcile ang mga pinoy ilang nailhang VS mga pinoy nga ika-tigi bisan kinsang brighta sa kalibutan. :-)

Dli sad ta kabasul ni Abrams kay ug tinuod nga ang iyang gibasehan nga iyang asawa ra sa pang-english ug pinoy, aw lisod pud. limitado gyud tawn siya. Naa ko mga nailhang pinay diri sa Houston nga bisan ug nangaraan na, dli jud willing intawn maghimo ug efford. Mahulog nuon ug bugno kung i-correct sa bana. Pastilan. hehe mao na ron.

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 01:21:20 AM »
Racism is everywhere. Just look around usahay naa ra sa kaugalingon natong tugkaran.

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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 03:24:21 AM »
Racism and Bullying  is a very sensitive and difficult issue to proved but it's happening and it's true,Take for example of Mommy Dionisia saying the word Negro in U.S.,She thinks it's okey to say those words but it is a racist word.In Hongkong they think most Filipinos who are in HK are maid they are just narrow minded  chinese idiots.

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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 07:50:59 AM »
Racism is everywhere. Just look around usahay naa ra sa kaugalingon natong tugkaran.

Usahay naa ra jud sa sulod sa balay...




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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 11:51:51 AM »
Usahay naa ra jud sa sulod sa balay...



Bitaw sakto kaayo. Kining sungogon tag kinit- an sa basurahan ug di tinuod anak kay anak kono sa Bil-at. Tuo pud intawon kay gitabangan man ug sungog sa mga maguwang angin nangluod wa mokaon ug usa ka adlaw. Racism pud ning ujat ujaton bitaw ug pikot,insik,hudeyo,nig, nawong arabo pastilan kadaghan ug nganlan.

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 11:35:11 PM »
Bitaw sakto kaayo. Kining sungogon tag kinit- an sa basurahan ug di tinuod anak kay anak kono sa Bil-at. Tuo pud intawon kay gitabangan man ug sungog sa mga maguwang angin nangluod wa mokaon ug usa ka adlaw. Racism pud ning ujat ujaton bitaw ug pikot,insik,hudeyo,nig, nawong arabo pastilan kadaghan ug nganlan.

Hahaha pastilan no. Mahinumdum man nuon ko adtong mga sugsug...kinit-an sa dagat, anak sa agokoy, anak sa kapre heheh !

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2012, 09:20:29 AM »
Bitaw sakto kaayo. Kining sungogon tag kinit- an sa basurahan ug di tinuod anak kay anak kono sa Bil-at. Tuo pud intawon kay gitabangan man ug sungog sa mga maguwang angin nangluod wa mokaon ug usa ka adlaw. Racism pud ning ujat ujaton bitaw ug pikot,insik,hudeyo,nig, nawong arabo pastilan kadaghan ug nganlan.
Hahaha pastilan no. Mahinumdum man nuon ko adtong mga sugsug...kinit-an sa dagat, anak sa agokoy, anak sa kapre heheh !

kaagi sad ko aning kapait kay very real sa akong imagination nga si percival ug rowena kuno akong ginikanan, mga engkanto. 

arang pod tong akong duha ka elder brothers nganong ako man gyod ang ilang kulinitan ug sugsug, three sisters man unta mi.  inig kagabii hinoon, imbis matulog magsige lang kog siyagit ug hilak ug ipabalikbalik sa among mama nga anak ko nila.  mahapak na lang hinoon ko usahay.  mosamot kog siyagit. 

growing older, i realized that the names of my supposed "parents" were taken from the stories of 'ivanhoe' and 'king arthur' by my brothers, who had sufficient background of literature, being seminarians.  kabawos hinoon kog aswang nila.  magkapuliki sila kun mag-tantrums na ko.  natiguwang na lang mi, nganlan gihapon ko nilag "spoiled brat".  obviously they contributed to to my being one, hahaha. 

moral lesson to brothers: ayaw mo panugsug ug sisters. ;D   

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2012, 10:15:18 AM »
Mostly youngest maoy permi mabiktima ani. Akoy kay youngest man ko akong duha ka older brother usahay moapil pud tong akong older sister nga madre na karon ug sogsog nga dili kono ko anak sa among inahan kay ang ngalan kono sa akong inahan si Ester heheheh kinamauhan jud kono ko ug nawong ni Ester ang nakaparat kay burikat kono ni si Ester. Magbinakho intawon ko ug hilak sa akong kahiubos unya kara sogsog i confirm jud ni nako sa akong inahan ug tinuod ba ni. Tubag sa akong mother" tigtubay anang way hinungdan.  I learn later on in life nga kini daw si ester kinakontrahan daw ni sa akong inahan sa gabuntis pa siya nako bale silingan daw ni namo sa una nga medyo birgatinyahon. Kuyaw to manugsog akong mga igsoon kay they go the extreme. Ingnon ko nga tan awa ra gud imong dagway ug kanawong ba ka namo? ikaw ray lahi ug nawong which makaingon baya ko nga lahi ko ug nawong nila kay mga dark skin sila ako medyo light. Pinunitan lagi kono ko nila sa katungganan. Very mean jud ni nga form sa sogsog, worst pa ni sa racism.

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2012, 10:38:53 AM »
Mostly youngest maoy permi mabiktima ani. Akoy kay youngest man ko akong duha ka older brother usahay moapil pud tong akong older sister nga madre na karon ug sogsog nga dili kono ko anak sa among inahan kay ang ngalan kono sa akong inahan si Ester heheheh kinamauhan jud kono ko ug nawong ni Ester ang nakaparat kay burikat kono ni si Ester.

maayo gani ka kay youngest ka.  may rason.  middle child intawon ko, feeling gitabangan, hahaha.  pait gyod hinoon ning naa pa gyoy ngan ang laing inahan kunohay. ;D 

Magbinakho intawon ko ug hilak sa akong kahiubos unya kara sogsog i confirm jud ni nako sa akong inahan ug tinuod ba ni. Tubag sa akong mother" tigtubay anang way hinungdan.

kalami na lang sa tubag sa imong inahan.  pero nihilom ba kaha ko kun gitubag pa kog ingon ana sa among mama?  ambot lang.

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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2012, 10:56:16 AM »
Racism and Bullying  is a very sensitive and difficult issue to proved but it's happening and it's true,Take for example of Mommy Dionisia saying the word Negro in U.S.,She thinks it's okey to say those words but it is a racist word.In Hongkong they think most Filipinos who are in HK are maid they are just narrow minded  chinese idiots.

Delikado ning situwasyon, Bai, kai sensitibo jamo ning mga itom. Og mo ingon ka nila ang "N" word, mo file ni sila og Civil Rights Law suit.

Kahibalo kong usang M.D nga gi sue-han kai ning ingon kon sija sa ijang itom nga pasyente, "Oh, its hard to see if you have acanthosis nigricans because your skin is so black."

Yataps. Tinuod baja pod ijang gi sultihan. :P

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
oo bai bisan deri sa UK as much as possible magbantay gyud ka sa imong guisulti bisan pungot na ka kay sa ma kiha ka delikado.

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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2012, 11:01:56 PM »
Sa akong trabaho, lisod usahay dili i-discriminate. Magsige ko ug pahinumdum sa akong kaugalingon to keep an open mind. Unsaon man, kung naa itumon mang-apply (for rent house) , inig dagan sa background check, naa jud sango. Sa mga babaye, 1 out of 2 nga na arrested ug fraud, ug di gani, na preso jud. Sa mga lalaki, murag tanan naa jud history nga na arrested marijuana, theft etc. pastilan. Wala sad klaro income, halos 95% siguro naay social security. gipalamon sa gobyerno, ug disability nga able bodied man unta dagway. Wala paka sa mga anak nga 3-4 kabuok, lahi2 apelyedo kay lahi2 diay tog amahan. toinks ! Ang mga dili badlongon ug hinlo ug record, kadto mga itum nga immigrants gikan Bahamas ug South America. Mga edukado pa kaau.

Kung mag-eval sad ko ug balay nga palitunon, kung itumon ang na-foreclosan, wala bisan bombilya nabilin, buho2 ang bungbung, ingon ka lang ug gi-rape ang balay. Lahi ra jud sa ubang color kay bisan na ug untidy, dli jud preha ka warak nga tinuyuan. Laliman mo, diha kas-a nga didto na nangalibang sa bathtub kay nag overflow na ang inodoro. Ijara gyud oi pwera gaba.

Mao na, kung magsugod nasad ko ug Open House kung naay rent house nga ma ready, mo ginhawa ko ug lawon ug mag-ampo nga makabingwit tawn ko ug mga tarong2 nga pamilya kay naa man sad mga tarong nga itumon. Talagsa lang gyud kaayo. :-)

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2012, 10:55:21 AM »
Sa tinuod lang hadlok jud ning itom. Mo smile ta nila kay magmug ot nuon ug samot inay ing smile ta. True ang itom nga immigrant mao nay pinakamaayo pero ug itom nga nagtubo diri gawas nga di ta kasabot sa ilang sinultian di pud friendly.
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2012, 11:36:12 AM »
Sa akong trabaho, lisod usahay dili i-discriminate. Magsige ko ug pahinumdum sa akong kaugalingon to keep an open mind. Unsaon man, kung naa itumon mang-apply (for rent house) , inig dagan sa background check, naa jud sango. Sa mga babaye, 1 out of 2 nga na arrested ug fraud, ug di gani, na preso jud. Sa mga lalaki, murag tanan naa jud history nga na arrested marijuana, theft etc. pastilan. Wala sad klaro income, halos 95% siguro naay social security. gipalamon sa gobyerno, ug disability nga able bodied man unta dagway. Wala paka sa mga anak nga 3-4 kabuok, lahi2 apelyedo kay lahi2 diay tog amahan. toinks ! Ang mga dili badlongon ug hinlo ug record, kadto mga itum nga immigrants gikan Bahamas ug South America. Mga edukado pa kaau.

Kung mag-eval sad ko ug balay nga palitunon, kung itumon ang na-foreclosan, wala bisan bombilya nabilin, buho2 ang bungbung, ingon ka lang ug gi-rape ang balay. Lahi ra jud sa ubang color kay bisan na ug untidy, dli jud preha ka warak nga tinuyuan. Laliman mo, diha kas-a nga didto na nangalibang sa bathtub kay nag overflow na ang inodoro. Ijara gyud oi pwera gaba.

Mao na, kung magsugod nasad ko ug Open House kung naay rent house nga ma ready, mo ginhawa ko ug lawon ug mag-ampo nga makabingwit tawn ko ug mga tarong2 nga pamilya kay naa man sad mga tarong nga itumon. Talagsa lang gyud kaayo. :-)

Maayo bitaw ning ehemplo nimo, Alice, there are good and bad examples gajod. Ahong experience lang , working as a Medical Intern diri sa Chicago (at a hospital in the south side of Chicago) daghang kaayong cases makit-an diri, from trauma, gun shot, muggings, rape, to typical pathological cases.

I can say that being on call for many hours and responding to code blues diri, most of all the gun shot patients we have are African-American patients, daghan ni sila myembro sa mga gangs diri sa Chicago; Bloods, Crips, etc. One time galing, Alice, while I was on call and doing rounds in the ICU (intensive care unit), nag check up ko sa usang pasyente nako (itom, batan-on pa; came in because of gun shot to the back; on the lumbar vertebrae), when I came to ask how he was doing and how he was feeling, ning ingon nako, "Ahh shyat da fak up man, can't a brothaa get some peace in hyea widout y'all trying to pizzz me off? Fak yall doctors n nurses n shyiet, can't a nigggah get respekt in hea."

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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2012, 11:39:53 AM »
oo bai bisan deri sa UK as much as possible magbantay gyud ka sa imong guisulti bisan pungot na ka kay sa ma kiha ka delikado.

Bitaw bai, mag watch out lang ta kai di maayo og ma suko suko pod sila nato.

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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2012, 11:43:48 AM »
Sa tinuod lang hadlok jud ning itom. Mo smile ta nila kay magmug ot nuon ug samot inay ing smile ta. True ang itom nga immigrant mao nay pinakamaayo pero ug itom nga nagtubo diri gawas nga di ta kasabot sa ilang sinultian di pud friendly.
Grabe no sa bathtub nangalibang pila raman untay pagtawag ug plumber ug wa ikabayad kasayon ray pag plumbing.



He he he lain bitaw ni ilang 'ebonics' lingo. :P



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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2012, 10:33:23 AM »
"Ahh shyat da fak up man, can't a brothaa get some peace in hyea widout y'all trying to pizzz me off? Fak yall doctors n nurses n shyiet, can't a nigggah get respekt in hea."

pagkalaming dli tambalan..hahaha lami hinuon butangan ug iodized salt iyang samad igo mo tig-ik murag baktin lechonon sa pista hahahaha !. Haaaay..repeat repeat nalang ang hippocratic oath hantud dli na lami samtan. 

Lagi, kahibaw ko nga makaluluoy sila sauna, pero maayo gani sila, sa sila nay na libre, at least naa sila gapuyo sa USofA, kitang mga pinoy, sa nalibre nata sa mga katsila, unsa may gibilin nila nato ? korup nga gobyerno ug mga gwaffa ug gwaffong mestizos and mestizas LOL !  Bitaw. Kung huna-hunaon, sa emancipation, nakakuha sila ug 2 acres and a mule. Ang pinoy, unsa man dagway nakuha nato sa mga katsila beh ??? o diba sa Japan after world war II...JAICA ? kung huna-hunaon, mas daghang asians nga dapat mas suko pa sa kalibutan kesa nila pero sige lang jud nang mentality na kept down by "The man" . Lami bitaw ipakog unya ingnon. "dong, tan-aw kuno. Ang taw sa amerika, murag rainbow, naa puti, itum, brown, red, purple ug uban pa, nganong kadtong uyamot kagikan TNT pa uban, molambo man, pero kamo, hinungitan man unta mos gobyerno, wala man tawn mo ni lambo ???"

anyway, undang nako. sakit dughan kapoy.

@ Raquel ...murag usahay maglibog ko kung kaila ba kaha sila ug unsay limpyo ug unsaon pag amping. DIha mi usa ka tenant sauna, ang brand new GE dishwasher among gibutang sa rent house, guba dayun after 3 years. hasta ang plumber galibog ug gi-unsa pag guba. Kaluoy sa diyos, pagpalit namo iring among bay pag 2005, dala na washer, hantud ron, 7 yrs later, limpyo paman japon. unya preha ra gyud, exact model sa GE tong diha sa rent house. Pastilan mga tawhana ! kuwang ug bunal sa ilang mga inahan :-)

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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2012, 10:58:16 AM »
pagkalaming dli tambalan..hahaha lami hinuon butangan ug iodized salt iyang samad igo mo tig-ik murag baktin lechonon sa pista hahahaha !. Haaaay..repeat repeat nalang ang hippocratic oath hantud dli na lami samtan. 

Lagi, kahibaw ko nga makaluluoy sila sauna, pero maayo gani sila, sa sila nay na libre, at least naa sila gapuyo sa USofA, kitang mga pinoy, sa nalibre nata sa mga katsila, unsa may gibilin nila nato ? korup nga gobyerno ug mga gwaffa ug gwaffong mestizos and mestizas LOL !  Bitaw. Kung huna-hunaon, sa emancipation, nakakuha sila ug 2 acres and a mule. Ang pinoy, unsa man dagway nakuha nato sa mga katsila beh ??? o diba sa Japan after world war II...JAICA ? kung huna-hunaon, mas daghang asians nga dapat mas suko pa sa kalibutan kesa nila pero sige lang jud nang mentality na kept down by "The man" . Lami bitaw ipakog unya ingnon. "dong, tan-aw kuno. Ang taw sa amerika, murag rainbow, naa puti, itum, brown, red, purple ug uban pa, nganong kadtong uyamot kagikan TNT pa uban, molambo man, pero kamo, hinungitan man unta mos gobyerno, wala man tawn mo ni lambo ???"

anyway, undang nako. sakit dughan kapoy.



ha ha ha ! perting katawa ko sa imong response, Alice. In regards to that particular patient, I just looked at him, checked on his charts and walked away. Kining mga itom nga na raised sa "streets" they have been indoctrinated to think a certain way and to speak a certain way, kuan ilang lifestyle , agresibo kaayo. Given, many of them grew up in very abusive homes and are living in an environment that is saturated with a plethora of criminal activity (drugs, murders, gangbang shootings, prostitution, etc).

For the most part, ma luoy ko sa ilang upbringing, but there are times (and this particular incident was one of them) where I had an urge to say something.

You are right tho, Alice. There are a great many African-Americans who perpetuate their lifestyle and do not raise their way of living. I even had a conversation one time with an African-American nurse who said to me, "Doc, i really respect y'all Filipinos because you all are very hard working."

And that is right, the great many Filipinos that come to the United States work hard and strive to better their living conditions. The difference , in my view, is that Filipinos have a natural yearning to succeed. Many of us do not have the opportunity in the Philippines or the opportunity is very limited, and when placed here in the United States, we are able to sprout and bloom.

My gf , for example, comes from very humble beginnings. Her parents grew up in Iloilo (her mother) and Bacolod (her father) , and they were very poor. But when they came to the United States (her father is an Engineer and her mother is an RN), they blossomed. Now, her family own a very large Home Health Care Company that employs 30 nurses and sees hundreds of patients. My gf is an M.D , like myself. Both of us are product of the 'Brain Drain', but the opportunity we had to blossom was because of our parents immigration to the United States.

That is the difference. Filipinos strive. No matter where we are.

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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2012, 11:59:53 AM »
in other words, racism seems ingrained in all races, in varying degrees, and i take care to point out that it's in varying degrees, from the most benign to the most rabid and destructive, judging from the posted personal observations and experiences. 

there's always this difference that is credited to the color of one's skin or one's nationality.  too bad, but that is very real.

in the philippines, we may take it for granted, but isn't it racism when we jokingly say that caucasians give off a bad smell?  or that older caucasians who walk our streets are suspected, derisively, as pedophiles?  can we blame marlon brando who once declared that filipinos are sly (and that's his experience with filipinos in the u.s.).  oh, it's easy to react with righteous indignation that we are victims of racism.  but if we look closer at the mirror, we can be racists too, after all.  thus it's safe enough to say that racism is universal. 

now let's hear it from the martians...

         

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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2012, 12:04:00 PM »
in other words, racism seems ingrained in all races, in varying degrees, and i take care to point out that it's in varying degrees, from the most benign to the most rabid and destructive, judging from the posted personal observations and experiences. 

there's always this difference that is credited to the color of one's skin or one's nationality.  too bad, but that is very real.

in the philippines, we may take it for granted, but isn't it racism when we jokingly say that caucasians give off a bad smell?  or that older caucasians who walk our streets are suspected, derisively, as pedophiles?  can we blame marlon brando who once declared that filipinos are sly (and that's his experience with filipinos in the u.s.).  oh, it's easy to react with righteous indignation that we are victims of racism.  but if we look closer at the mirror, we can be racists too, after all.  thus it's safe enough to say that racism is universal. 

now let's hear it from the martians...

         

Well said, Isles. It is impossible for people to not have some kind of prejudice towards other groups of people. It is only natural; one should not deny one's prejudicial tendencies, but rather, recognize one has it and do the utmost best in trying to change that view.

Repression , afterall, is an immature defense mechanism.

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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2012, 05:28:43 PM »
Sakto jud ka raquel ang atong pronunciations lahi pod sa ila, labi na ang taga Australia lahi pod ilang pronunciation sa u.s.a. bisan ang spellingn.

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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2012, 09:43:14 PM »
in other words, racism seems ingrained in all races, in varying degrees, and i take care to point out that it's in varying degrees, from the most benign to the most rabid and destructive, judging from the posted personal observations and experiences. 

there's always this difference that is credited to the color of one's skin or one's nationality.  too bad, but that is very real.

in the philippines, we may take it for granted, but isn't it racism when we jokingly say that caucasians give off a bad smell?  or that older caucasians who walk our streets are suspected, derisively, as pedophiles?  can we blame marlon brando who once declared that filipinos are sly (and that's his experience with filipinos in the u.s.).  oh, it's easy to react with righteous indignation that we are victims of racism.  but if we look closer at the mirror, we can be racists too, after all.  thus it's safe enough to say that racism is universal. 

now let's hear it from the martians...

         

Well said, Isles. It is impossible for people to not have some kind of prejudice towards other groups of people. It is only natural; one should not deny one's prejudicial tendencies, but rather, recognize one has it and do the utmost best in trying to change that view.

Repression , afterall, is an immature defense mechanism.

Hmm, racists trying to define racism. Good luck, guys (and gals).




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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2012, 11:57:45 PM »
the martian hereby speaketh; glad you know thyself, hubag. ;D

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« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2012, 02:21:56 AM »
Hmm, racists trying to define racism. Good luck, guys (and gals).




Murag kitang tanan predisposed man ani heheheh ! depende lang ug unsaon nato pag handle.


kinsa tong mahinumdum anang mga storya nga gasugod ug  : "Diha toy Amerkano, Insik ug PIlipino ga hinambugay...."  diba ang ending kay Pinoy jud ang daug  :-P

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« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2012, 12:16:48 PM »
undang na mog lalis ana oi, kamo lay sakitan sa inyong dughan smile people..

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« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2012, 03:07:16 PM »
undang na mog lalis ana oi, kamo lay sakitan sa inyong dughan smile people..

Hello Tita! Welcome back to Tubag Bohol! And yes, thank you for your message. :)

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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2012, 04:07:15 PM »
Hello Tita! Welcome back to Tubag Bohol! And yes, thank you for your message....

Dong Lorenz, thanks for welcoming me back in TB.. Mag study na pod ko kay nalimot kog unsaon pag share sa mga pics nga akong giupload, wewww galisud ko.

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« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2012, 12:15:40 AM »
Hello Tita! Welcome back to Tubag Bohol! And yes, thank you for your message....

Dong Lorenz, thanks for welcoming me back in TB.. Mag study na pod ko kay nalimot kog unsaon pag share sa mga pics nga akong giupload, wewww galisud ko.

he he he he! if you ever need any help, you can always ask me here in the forum or in PM. but to post pictures, you paste your picture's URL onto the forum.

how are you doing ? kumusta naman ang life nimo dinha sa australia? i think it's been some 2 years since i last talked to you.

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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2012, 01:41:27 PM »
he he he he! if you ever need any help, you can always ask me here in the forum or in PM. but to post pictures, you paste your picture's URL onto the forum.

how are you doing ? kumusta naman ang life nimo dinha sa australia? i think it's been some 2 years since i last talked to you.

Am doing ok dong.. kaw doktor na jud ka?..

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2012, 01:42:40 PM »
Racism is everywhere. Just look around usahay naa ra sa kaugalingon natong tugkaran.

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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2012, 02:13:13 PM »
Sakto jud ka raquel ang atong Pronunciations lahi pod sa ila, labi na ang taga Australia lahi pod ilang Pronunciations sa u.s.a. bisan ang spelling.

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« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2012, 02:56:38 PM »
To be honest tho, Tita, cute kaayo ang Aussie accent. Labi na ang mga baje. :)

There is a young Aussie nurse in the hospital I work at. Cute kaajo!

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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2012, 10:25:19 AM »
To be honest tho, Tita, cute kaayo ang Aussie accent. Labi na ang mga baje. :)

There is a young Aussie nurse in the hospital I work at. Cute kaajo!

really dong guapa ba kay cute man kaha lol.

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« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2012, 11:14:02 AM »
Guapa gayod, pero not as guapa as my gf. Mas guapa pa ahong babycakes kai Pinay jud. ;)


Ahong babycakes mao na siya sa left (in green). Doctor pod na sija... :)



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« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2012, 11:29:26 AM »
Hehehe, taga Bacolod ni sija, Tita. Pero she grew up here in USA. We both met each other in Medical School. :)



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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2012, 12:01:02 PM »
Guapa gayod, pero not as guapa as my gf. Mas guapa pa ahong babycakes kai Pinay jud. ;)


Ahong babycakes mao na siya sa left (in green). Doctor pod na sija... :)



wow dong mayo jud ka mopili dah. afa jud lagi imo baby cake,hmmmm inbitado ba kaha ko kon moabot ang panahon.

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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2012, 12:02:35 PM »
Hehehe, taga Bacolod ni sija, Tita. Pero she grew up here in USA. We both met each other in Medical School. :)



guapa black beauty dong..regards ko sa mga guapa nimo nga girls diha. di pod malupigan ang kaguapa sa mga pinoy oi, unya  bright pa jud di ba dong.

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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2012, 12:04:01 PM »
Hehehe, i will extend your regards to her. Her name is Stacy. Naa kami diri sa Chicago, Tita. Kuan na sija, Internal Medicine ijang gi specialize.
Smart lagi kaajo ang Pinay ! Smart and beautiful. ;)

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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2012, 12:09:40 PM »
Tita, when Stacy and I first met 3 years ago, she did not know how to speak or understand Bol-anon, and I did not know how to speak or understand Ilonggo. Pero, now, she knows how to speak Bol-anon and she understands it pod. Ako, medyo medyo ra ko sa Ilonggo hahaha. She is smarter than I, i am a slower learner than her.

Karon, og mo adto mi sa Filipino restaurant when I speak Cebuano to some of the people in the stores, kahibalo pod ni si babycakes mo join in. She even uses "Indi / Dili " interchangeably now. hahaha.

The last time her dad came to visit, when he asked her for something and she said, 'Dili ko gusto'. Her dad said, "Ano ka ba? Cebuano na gid ikaw?" ha ha ha! ;D

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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2012, 12:12:00 PM »
Tita, when Stacy and I first met 3 years ago, she did not know how to speak or understand Bol-anon, and I did not know how to speak or understand Ilonggo. Pero, now, she knows how to speak Bol-anon and she understands it pod. Ako, medyo medyo ra ko sa Ilonggo hahaha. She is smarter than I, i am a slower learner than her.

Karon, og mo adto mi sa Filipino restaurant when I speak Cebuano to some of the people in the stores, kahibalo pod ni si babycakes mo join in. She even uses "Indi / Dili " interchangeably now. hahaha.

The last time her dad came to visit, when he asked her for something and she said, 'Dili ko gusto'. Her dad said, "Ano ka ba? Cebuano na gid ikaw?" ha ha ha! ;D

hahaha very smart unya ang iya dad nakasabot ba kaha.

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« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2012, 12:14:24 PM »
maka sabot man si Tito, kai naka adto na kono sija sa Cebu sa una. gi ingnan sija nako, 'Tito, next time I'll show you around Bohol!'

gusto kono mo bisita sa 'Chocolate Island' ha ha ha!

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« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2012, 12:21:18 PM »
maka sabot man si Tito, kai naka adto na kono sija sa Cebu sa una. gi ingnan sija nako, 'Tito, next time I'll show you around Bohol!'

gusto kono mo bisita sa 'Chocolate Island' ha ha ha!

Hala dad-a jud dong  didto, be proud sa atong mga beautiful spot sa ato, ang anda lang where i was born sus nindot na jud kaayo hapit nya mo didto..

Akong gidaa akong bana nalinngaw siya baya mga lima ka town among giadtuan, CDO.Cebu, camiguin,davao ug nihapit mi sa Hongkonng nindot kaayo didto ko kita sa disneyland HK.. Ay tuod nagkita mi si lumine didto sa cagayan.

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« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2012, 02:39:05 PM »
Hala dad-a jud dong  didto, be proud sa atong mga beautiful spot sa ato, ang anda lang where i was born sus nindot na jud kaayo hapit nya mo didto..

Akong gidaa akong bana nalinngaw siya baya mga lima ka town among giadtuan, CDO.Cebu, camiguin,davao ug nihapit mi sa Hongkonng nindot kaayo didto ko kita sa disneyland HK.. Ay tuod nagkita mi si lumine didto sa cagayan.

Mao na among plano mo adto kami duha sa Pilipinas next year. Gusto mo bisita si babycakes sa Bohol kai ever since i showed her the pictures and the videos of my last visit to Bohol in 2010 she has been interested in going pod. When she looked at my photos and videos she kept on saying, "Oh wow! Ganda Ganda Gid!" hehehe...

She wants to visit Chocolate hills/ sagbayan peak, Tagbilaran City, Panglao, Valencia, Ubay. I would like to give her a tour of the towns around Bohol so maka kita pod sija sa ahoang yutang natawhan. I want to also visit her place in Negros Occidental and Iloilo. Luoy pod ni si babycakes, Tita, kai wa la na sija ka balik sa Pilinas since 2000. Ning plano mi mo balik pero hinay hinay kai mag save pa lagi, he he he...

Yes, I will show her around your hometown of Anda. Taga Anda diay ka , Tita? Same town baya na ni Mike og ni Virginia. I have yet to visit Anda, I have heard that the beaches there are beautiful...

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« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2012, 02:40:04 PM »
Hala dad-a jud dong  didto, be proud sa atong mga beautiful spot sa ato, ang anda lang where i was born sus nindot na jud kaayo hapit nya mo didto..

Akong gidaa akong bana nalinngaw siya baya mga lima ka town among giadtuan, CDO.Cebu, camiguin,davao ug nihapit mi sa Hongkonng nindot kaayo didto ko kita sa disneyland HK.. Ay tuod nagkita mi si lumine didto sa cagayan.

he he he! maayo kai naka meet up na diay ka ni Ate Lumine. How is she doing na diay? Gimingaw pod ko ni Ate Lumine kai dili na sija mo post diri. I miss her and Ate Ging , too.

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« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2012, 03:19:50 PM »
he he he! maayo kai naka meet up na diay ka ni Ate Lumine. How is she doing na diay? Gimingaw pod ko ni Ate Lumine kai dili na sija mo post diri. I miss her and Ate Ging , too.

naa man lagi koy nabasa nga messages gikan ni lumine,naa ra man kono siya magbasa2 lang sa mga gipangpost.. Ug grazie pod busy man cguro cya kay tagsa ra pod siya sa FB mag-open.

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« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2012, 03:21:12 PM »
Hehehe, i will extend your regards to her. Her name is Stacy. Naa kami diri sa Chicago, Tita. Kuan na sija, Internal Medicine ijang gi specialize.
Smart lagi kaajo ang Pinay ! Smart and beautiful. ;)
motoo jud ko ana dong pero ako ray bugo tingali sa mga pinay hehehehehe.


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« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2012, 03:23:43 PM »
Mao na among plano mo adto kami duha sa Pilipinas next year. Gusto mo bisita si babycakes sa Bohol kai ever since i showed her the pictures and the videos of my last visit to Bohol in 2010 she has been interested in going pod. When she looked at my photos and videos she kept on saying, "Oh wow! Ganda Ganda Gid!" hehehe...

She wants to visit Chocolate hills/ sagbayan peak, Tagbilaran City, Panglao, Valencia, Ubay. I would like to give her a tour of the towns around Bohol so maka kita pod sija sa ahoang yutang natawhan. I want to also visit her place in Negros Occidental and Iloilo. Luoy pod ni si babycakes, Tita, kai wa la na sija ka balik sa Pilinas since 2000. Ning plano mi mo balik pero hinay hinay kai mag save pa lagi, he he he...

Yes, I will show her around your hometown of Anda. Taga Anda diay ka , Tita? Same town baya na ni Mike og ni Virginia. I have yet to visit Anda, I have heard that the beaches there are beautiful...

natawo ra ko didto dong sa cbu ko nagdaku..

nagkita naman pod mi si ginger ug si mike. and yeah same town ra mi pero si mike nagdaku man cguro sa anda ug si aya sa butuan man tingali to siya/


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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2012, 07:04:29 AM »
Okay let us be fair about this. First off there are authors out there who are Filipino and they are some of the greatest and most current writers. I have read some magazines on where this author discusses the sensitive mannerisms and the pride here...He said people here are too busy being onion skinned and always looking for an apology and said this is one of the reasons you do not see progress happening here in Philippines.
I do not think in my own opinion that this topic and this subject matter makes me believe that his comment was racism remarks against the  country itself more in he is using the Philippine country as an example...of those countries in where people are often scared in not being able to speak well in the English vocab department.
I myself I am so hurt when it is my turn at the counter and the one waiting on me is running to help others who had come in after me??? Because she is ashamed to speak to me do to her lack of English speaking experience.  This has happened many times....even people behind me will be waited on before me and that is when I put my foot down realizing that what she is doing has carried on too much and it is more than past time when I should have been waited on....I have also been discriminated against living here as a foreigner...even though I have a permanent residence card...I have been living here 11 long years....I know already what is the Philippines.........you just have to know how to sort out the good and the bad here in order to wade through it all..... Before I have a problem like  heck with so many things here but over the years I have really become use to the habits here.....I laugh at new comer foreign persons coming here and hearing them moan about things I laugh as it reminds me how I use to sound before when I first came here.........What bothered me back in the days was they say it is a very Catholic dominant country.....but, with being a a sample dominant member of a Catholic church here.....I was expecting people to follow Gods ways as in having good manners at all times, having honesty in your heart and truly loving people and the things that surround you...So when you see someone one in a Catholic dominant nation and they are not setting a good example it is as if contradictory to say that this is a Catholic dominant country because if it were true i use to think that there should be no corruption, starvation and the other unsightly conditions and things that go on here....I use to think that sisters and brothers should look out for themselves and others especially those in more need...That to me is being dominant about being Catholic and being one nation....it was hard for me to digest this phrase; "A DOMINATE CATHOLIC COUNTRY"......You think of beautiful things when you hear these words put together as if it is to be a paradise in God's country.....
11 years ago you did not have as many religious choices as you do now a days here....I have noticed more people picking up in other churches aside from the Catholic church's here..... Religion should be a choice a personal choice at that it should be followed and one should be disciplined to follow what his beliefs are.
I admit I have plenty of friends here who are super sweet..... I have met people here who are also users, scammers, killers, drug addicts.....people who do really mean things to others have not even deserved to have someone done mean at them...but these people are not just here they can be found world wide....My dream and it is my biggest dream is to see the Philippines no longer a third world to see things much better then they are now and that includes services and government as well.
I would love to see the people here not looy as some are now. It is important for people to work on better attitude, for themselves so that they feel good enough to not sit back and allow things to be the way they are at present. It is going to have to take some strong heads to start breaking the ice for the better of everyone...Philippines is physically attractive the people are sweet when you meet the right ones.....this place has some pretty fantastic potential that others should be paying attention and focusing on.....so it can move ahead and advance.... :)


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« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2012, 10:45:45 AM »
Priscilla,

It is good to dream big, to think about the potential our people have, the possibilities the country and the people have. I have no doubt that the country is progressing in the right direction. The Philippines, a nation that just received independence some 65 years ago, has achieved and overcome a plethora of political, military and economic situations in its recent history. I hope and pray that the Philippines and the Filipino people continue towards its march of Progress.

I trust in the character and the potential of the Filipino, which I am very proud to be part of. :)

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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2012, 06:41:43 PM »
and there are also many looy people in the u.s.  one difference is that there hardly are foreign correspondents in the u.s. who would choose to focus on new york's homeless, as a case in point.

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« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2012, 06:52:48 PM »
what i'm saying is that what we're complaining about our wretched poor actually also holds true in a majority of countries.  we will stop being third world if the western world stops giving us that monicker because, for heaven's sake, after the cold war, is there still a second world nowadays?

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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2012, 10:41:41 PM »
How many of you send  American goods back here? I would love to send home presents from here in a big Balikbayan box how you all can from there to here...but here it would cost more and no one honors such a service that I have been able to find but Johny Air and it is expensive as all heck.....


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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2012, 11:34:23 PM »
You both make a good point; Isles is pointing out that even in a country like the United States where the GDP per capita is over $40,000 , still there are poor amongst the people living in the United States. Priscilla makes a point in indicating that there are more Americans or Pinoy-Americans that send goods back home to the Philippines via balikbayan boxes. Both point out a strong point and see things in different sides of the coin.

Yes, Filipinos do recieve balikbayan boxes from their friends and relatives abroad, however, this is done so (accepted and received) with open arms and in recognition of the sacrifices of the relatives abroad to help family members back home. I prefer to implement a meta-analysis of the situation. The humanistic drive to help one's fellow is a universal trait. The Pinoys abroad who send balikbayan boxes as well as money back home to the Philippines do so in an attempt to better the lives of their relatives, and loved ones. It is the same driving force that propelled these Pinoys to g abroad in the first place. The same kind of drive is seen in the Americans who partake in food drive and donation drives to help communities that have poor and homeless who are stricken in the streets. The very same drive that compels hospitals to provide MEDICAID for homeless or poor patients who cannot afford to pay medical care in the United States. Wherever we go, there will always be poor, that is just a fact. What we do about it, is what matters.

Thank You, Isles and Priscilla, for making your points. Thanks for sharing with all of us two different points of view.



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« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2012, 12:13:09 AM »
In fact, we are commanded by The Lord when he said , " There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore, I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." (Deuteronomy 15:11)




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« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2012, 12:47:35 AM »
Okay let us be fair about this. First off there are authors out there who are Filipino and they are some of the greatest and most current writers. I have read some magazines on where this author discusses the sensitive mannerisms and the pride here...He said people here are too busy being onion skinned and always looking for an apology and said this is one of the reasons you do not see progress happening here in Philippines.
I do not think in my own opinion that this topic and this subject matter makes me believe that his comment was racism remarks against the  country itself more in he is using the Philippine country as an example...of those countries in where people are often scared in not being able to speak well in the English vocab department.
I myself I am so hurt when it is my turn at the counter and the one waiting on me is running to help others who had come in after me??? Because she is ashamed to speak to me do to her lack of English speaking experience.  This has happened many times....even people behind me will be waited on before me and that is when I put my foot down realizing that what she is doing has carried on too much and it is more than past time when I should have been waited on....I have also been discriminated against living here as a foreigner...even though I have a permanent residence card...I have been living here 11 long years....I know already what is the Philippines.........you just have to know how to sort out the good and the bad here in order to wade through it all..... Before I have a problem like  heck with so many things here but over the years I have really become use to the habits here.....I laugh at new comer foreign persons coming here and hearing them moan about things I laugh as it reminds me how I use to sound before when I first came here.........What bothered me back in the days was they say it is a very Catholic dominant country.....but, with being a a sample dominant member of a Catholic church here.....I was expecting people to follow Gods ways as in having good manners at all times, having honesty in your heart and truly loving people and the things that surround you...So when you see someone one in a Catholic dominant nation and they are not setting a good example it is as if contradictory to say that this is a Catholic dominant country because if it were true i use to think that there should be no corruption, starvation and the other unsightly conditions and things that go on here....I use to think that sisters and brothers should look out for themselves and others especially those in more need...That to me is being dominant about being Catholic and being one nation....it was hard for me to digest this phrase; "A DOMINATE CATHOLIC COUNTRY"......You think of beautiful things when you hear these words put together as if it is to be a paradise in God's country.....
11 years ago you did not have as many religious choices as you do now a days here....I have noticed more people picking up in other churches aside from the Catholic church's here..... Religion should be a choice a personal choice at that it should be followed and one should be disciplined to follow what his beliefs are.
I admit I have plenty of friends here who are super sweet..... I have met people here who are also users, scammers, killers, drug addicts.....people who do really mean things to others have not even deserved to have someone done mean at them...but these people are not just here they can be found world wide....My dream and it is my biggest dream is to see the Philippines no longer a third world to see things much better then they are now and that includes services and government as well.

I love this one... tinuod gyud ka day.

I would love to see the people here not looy as some are now. It is important for people to work on better attitude, for themselves so that they feel good enough to not sit back and allow things to be the way they are at present. It is going to have to take some strong heads to start breaking the ice for the better of everyone...Philippines is physically attractive the people are sweet when you meet the right ones.....this place has some pretty fantastic potential that others should be paying attention and focusing on.....so it can move ahead and advance.... :)


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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2012, 05:58:55 AM »
I am living here for almost 11 years....no matter how nice how caring or how many nice friends I have here....Foreigners are also treated here discriminatory....at times....We are sometimes thinking wow this is a sensitive culture...okay for them to do certain behaviorism but lord forbid if a foreigner does the same sometimes offensive actions of the Filipino (double standard), look at places to buy things at with no menu and no price tags....We often talk among ourselves in groups at the malls comparing news and experiences and touching basis with one another some of the male foreigners tell me that some Filipino think this is the only country that exists in the world...It is all about being a Pinoy.... I ask them then why do they stay here and why do they take GF Filipino.......the answers vary....Look at adoption fees in the country foreigners pay more to file a case versus Filipino?   And go through the same amount of hearings....in a speedier amount of time.....but the foreigner has 10 times more requirements to obtain in comparison to Filipino in the court systems here...some people here will even cut in front of foreigners who are already at the counter next to be served and if you call the one cutting in line in front of you you get looked at like oh well....Last night three students from USA standing in line at the counter they were being cut in front of and they had no qualms telling the ones in front to have some manners...Look at Filipino abroad they have communities of they're own race....one time I tried to have an expat group here.....but the people were so appalled about the ideal as if it were ganging up on the Filipino...do we as Americans say that about Filipino's having their communities....I think not....Racism is not just about being victimized as one nationality....racism comes in all forms and all nationalities...

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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2012, 06:10:17 AM »
Lorenzo what I am saying about the box being sent from states is easy to send but from Philippines to America is impossible....

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« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2012, 04:38:28 AM »
I am living here for almost 11 years....no matter how nice how caring or how many nice friends I have here....Foreigners are also treated here discriminatory....at times....We are sometimes thinking wow this is a sensitive culture...okay for them to do certain behaviorism but lord forbid if a foreigner does the same sometimes offensive actions of the Filipino (double standard), look at places to buy things at with no menu and no price tags....We often talk among ourselves in groups at the malls comparing news and experiences and touching basis with one another some of the male foreigners tell me that some Filipino think this is the only country that exists in the world...It is all about being a Pinoy....

This could be true here in the US too. Although you get varying degrees of uber tolerance to people saying something. It depends on where you are. In the less educated and travelled populations of the US, the people are rude too...rude enough to ask you to your face if you're a mail-order bride...or ask if we have plates, forks and spoons in the Philippines ! I've been to places where big, fat, unkempt ugly American ladies stared at me up and down, sniffed and refused to look at me while she waited on our table, once at a Cracker Barrel in Georgia and another at a barbeque place in South Carolina !  ::)  On the other hand, when you are in educated company, the experience is total different. The conversations are meaningful, and there is mutual respect where nobody thinks that they are above anybody.

While there are Pinoys who think that Philippines is the end-all, be all, there's a good number of Americans who think that way as well. You only have to turn the TV on to see Americans making idiots of themselves and recording it too.  Same goes for pinoys...Anybody remember that air headed "actress" who actually tried to put on her lifejacket on a plane as she followed the flight attendant step by step ?  8) ;D

Don't forget, ex pats are not only "suffering" for being expats themselves but unfortunately get lumped in with all the pervs and pedophiles that find their way into the Philippines.(which is lots)  Its unfair, I know, unfortunately, people would sooner believe the bad stuff rather than the good stuff. Both in the US and in the PI. You hardly hear of the good-natured ex pat sending needy kids to school but oh, the whole community will hear about this perv who is banging his wife's 3 teenage sisters who got them all preggers in a New York minute !!! LOL !  Same thing goes here with Filipinas who marry Americans. Even without having seen us or met us, we're already labelled gold diggers, hookers and visa hunters. Even though sometimes, the Pinay's life was easier here in the Philippines rather than the life her American husband can offer her in the US. I know a few who are honestly richer and more educated than their American husbands. Not the norm but there is a good number where the Pinay wife makes more money than the American hubby even if you added hubby's ex wife's income to his, they are still short a few thousand of what Pinay wife makes.  8) Guess we could blame the G.I.s for bringing back hookers and the scammers who really do this stuff. Even if they're probably just 1 for every 100 girls.  :-[

I ask them then why do they stay here and why do they take GF Filipino.......the answers vary....Look at adoption fees in the country foreigners pay more to file a case versus Filipino?   And go through the same amount of hearings....in a speedier amount of time.....but the foreigner has 10 times more requirements to obtain in comparison to Filipino in the court systems here...some people here will even cut in front of foreigners who are already at the counter next to be served and if you call the one cutting in line in front of you you get looked at like oh well....Last night three students from USA standing in line at the counter they were being cut in front of and they had no qualms telling the ones in front to have some manners...

1.) PALAKAS <-- its the case of who they know and probably a case of beer to grease the wheels. The people in the system know they can squeeze more out of foreigners and there is something to squeeze. They know that no matter how hard they squeeze some fellow pinoys, they can't get anything.  As for requirements, I think whoever is a foreigner in a country will have more requirements.  Just think, as a green card holder in the US, you are limited legally compared to a US citizen.

2.) Cutting in line <--- Priscilla dear, I suffer this almost every day in good old Houston with  a good wallop of it this morning. With the exception of people staring, here,if they're not involved, they don't give a crap while the aggravated parties give each other the bird and yell at each other. They come in all races and shapes too. White people, Black people, Asians, Euros etc.  Not as bad in the more affluent areas of town but darn, even a Home Depot or a Best Buy in the poorer part of town have super crappy service, rude ignorant associates and to top it off, they make you see and feel how they don't give a rat's ass about customer service. Really go out of their way, I think.  DOn't know which is worse, but still frustrating all thesame.

Ermmmm....remember, a good number of Filipinos are poor. Yes, its frustrating, but if you can't beat it, join in and be good at the game ! :D ;) I remember being in Hong Kong where they seem ruder than anywhere I've been in my life. They shove you out of the way, scurry and when they hit you, they don't even apologize, just look away. Guess if they don't see you, you don't see them.  You can't speak Greek to an Inuit, so when I had the chance to shove back, I did so with gusto. Fair Play Senior ? hahaha ! ;D

Look at Filipino abroad they have communities of they're own race....one time I tried to have an expat group here.....but the people were so appalled about the ideal as if it were ganging up on the Filipino...do we as Americans say that about Filipino's having their communities....I think not....Racism is not just about being victimized as one nationality....racism comes in all forms and all nationalities...

Wow, this I never knew. When I was still living there, there were always Euro communities in Bohol. They stick together, specially the Germans and Swedes. Complete with their flags on their front porch.  Although, I wonder who were appalled, the other ex pats ? or the Filipino community ?

For Ex Pats who just want to enjoy retirement, I don't see why there's a problem with having an Ex Pat American community in Bohol, Lord knows there's quite a few. Most of them decent family men who could be a force for good if they work together.

Now, if the men in question are in the Philippines for some unwholesome reason aka sex tours, bad behavior and perverts,  ;D OF COURSE, they would NOT want to be in a community with decent people. They know that while most Pinoys won't call them out, you guys might and will. THey also know that if a Pinoy without any money were to file a case against them, its not gonna stick unless its really blatant, but they know most fellow Ex Pats have the money, education and resources to hold their butts accountable for their actions so they stay away.  ;)

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« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2012, 04:39:57 AM »
Lorenzo what I am saying about the box being sent from states is easy to send but from Philippines to America is impossible....

Been wanting to do that but it'll cost an arm and a leg. A jumbo 24x18x18 from Houston to Bohol is $115. A small, itty bitty box from Bohol to Florida cost me almost $50. Law of supply and demand I guess :-( wish there was a reasonable forwarder though...

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« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2012, 04:52:45 AM »
Lorenzo what I am saying about the box being sent from states is easy to send but from Philippines to America is impossible....

I understand what you're trying to say, but you have to look at the situation, Priscilla. Statistically speaking, most of the Pinoy-Americans have relatives in the Philippines , Pinoy-Americans also make more money than their relatives in the Philippines, so it would be improbable for the relatives who are in need to be sending boxes to relatives in the United States , who are, incidentally, better of in terms of finance.

I understand your point that it may not be common for Pinoys in the Philippines to be sending balikbayan boxes to relatives in the United States, but one has to look at the situation.

In my honest opinion, there is nothing wrong with Americans and Pinoy-Americans sending money or boxes back to the Philippines. In fact, its commendable and honorable. Giving back to those who are in need and helping friends and relatives is always commendable and encouraged by scripture and also ethically and morally.




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« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2012, 05:05:48 AM »
Murag kitang tanan predisposed man ani heheheh ! depende lang ug unsaon nato pag handle.


kinsa tong mahinumdum anang mga storya nga gasugod ug  : "Diha toy Amerkano, Insik ug PIlipino ga hinambugay...."  diba ang ending kay Pinoy jud ang daug  :-P

You are absolutely correct, Alice. We are all predisposed to prejudice and racism. The best way is to recognize one's prejudices , identify what causes one's behavior, try to ameliorate it. The mature way to mitigate instances of prejudice is to recognize it, and then to implement cogntive and behavioral modification.

That is the psychiatric / psychological directive. :)

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« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2012, 05:49:57 AM »
ALYCXS.....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha you made my morning I laughed all the way through what your saying....I agree with most of what you said.....Please let me know the name of the place that you were able to send a box from here in Bohol??

I think the community of Europe is not the same as before. I have noticed the turn-over is more now on Korean nationals working and living here especially in the Dive areas and tourist sites...


Maybe eventually I am going to be moving back to US but of course coming back here despite the tolerances but I have grown use to having tons of fun here actually and when something bad goes a muck here you had better bet I want what is best and I will defend to keep the peace here...I before moving here Lorenzo friend payed for many box's to be sent here in Bohol...indeed....but I have earned so much in memories, plaques of appreciation for guest speaking, judges awards...etc....that i do not want to leave behind....and taking on a plane is limited... believe me after eleven long years in a fun place and having done all the neat things as I have here....I am hoping if all goes well I am going home...to get some fresh air see my family and bring my things my memories and have a show and tell of how my life was here my accomplishments and believe me there are many....So you can see why me as an American whats to be like a pack rat =D and take my loot home that means so much to me here...

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« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2012, 06:14:10 AM »
it was in 2004, I tried to ship a box of presents for my in-laws in FL via the post office. They wanted me to unwrap everything to make sure there was no "contraband" then I had to re-wrap it and reseal the box and then send it.  The post office near the old city hall.

in the more recent years 2009-2011, Mama pays anywhere around Php 2000 to Php 3000 when she sends me care packages of soaps, tabliya and amoxicillin and the occasional well-wrapped dried fish  and ginamos 8) a little 8x8x8 box.

Although... if you have a friend in the Navy, they might be able to help get your loot home. Either that or someone who works for an oil company. I know they move them all over the world so they should have a good deal when it comes to freight. I could be wrong. Hubby works for Cathay Pacific and we don't get squat...not even a poke in the eye. :-(

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« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2012, 06:20:21 AM »
Yeah I have thought about NAVY but they go to a North port of call from here...ha ha ha ha I wonder if I tried a gas ship oh man that could be floating around for months or years as it tramps is way to my place back home in the PNW.... Cathy Pacific's It's owner is in HK...that does not shock me ....but what a sad thing.....no incentives for employees....


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« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2012, 07:21:20 AM »
Cathay has good pay packages, good health insurance and good travel bennies for the really senior guys or if you move to HK. Now, compared to other airlines, say the former Continental Airlines, they had good travel bennies even for the 5-7 year employees. Pay is less than half of Cathay's and job stability is not too good. CX has continued to be one of the world's best. You can reap bigger rewards only if you give them your first born son...err...I mean, live the life they dictate. 8) For some of us who don't want to live in HK and want to stay where we've settled, the bennies is not as good (travel etc)  but at least the job stability is better than most US airlines.

Just thought of something, there are so many Pinoy sailors out there, I wonder if any of them know of a cheap way to send say a container back to the US. I know there are Pinoys who send container full of stuff from US to PI, there must be a way to do it in reverse, without breaking the bank. I hope. (really good wood furniture from the artisans in Loboc and Antequera I'd want to bring back )

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