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ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« on: January 07, 2009, 12:30:48 AM »
  IT'S ALL ABOUT THE RAFFLE DRAW OF ICM WHICH WAS SCHEDULED ON JANUARY 6, 2009 SUPPOSEDLY.   AND WAS HELD LAST JANUARY 4 INSTEAD WITHOUT INFORMING THE PUBLIC WHEN THE SCHEDULED WAS POSTED ALL OVER INCLUDING ON THE CUSTOMER'S FACES....


IMAGINE,?   PIPOL FROM THE FAR FLUNG BARANGAYS IN BOHOL CAME, AND TODAY ALSO...  HOW VERY STUPID WAS A PERSONNEL FROM THEM ASKED WHY THE RAFFLE WAS HELD LAST JANUARY 4? BECAUSE THE 6TH DIDNT FALL ON SUNDAY...   PAG KA ESTUPIDO.


MAG RAFFLE GALI TA ARON NA TAY IKAHATAG NGA KALIPAY SA ATONG MGA KLIYENTE. NYA? SA MAN RON?

TUBAGA SULAY NI MARIO KAY IKAW MAN KAHAY ULO ULO ANA DIHAS ICM.   AJAW LANG PAG NEGATIVE KAY MA APIL NYA KA UG KA BAYGON


SA MAY TUBAG ANA?




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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2009, 12:49:19 AM »
I wish they will be able to do something to compromise for the inconvenience they've caused.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2009, 12:55:23 AM »
kafaets! looya fud tong nanganha unya nahuman na diay ang raffles

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2009, 01:12:50 AM »
I wish they will be able to do something to compromise for the inconvenience they've caused.

it's gonna be like, " WISH KO LANG "

hubag hubagan pa unta nang mga buanga na...   tam ison gajud matud pas tga panglao...


suko. AS IN NASUKO JUD NANG MGA TAO. UG AKO PAY NIADTO NYA MAO RAY ITUBAG SA AKOA?


MAMUNIT JUD NA SYA SA IJAHANG ULO UG ASA KALAGPOT INIGSAGPA NAKO KULANG PA IBAYAD NA SA AKOANG BOLPEN UG TIME. NAMINHOD TA UG PAMIL AP ANANG  MGA KUPONA, NYA?????

SA MAY MAY NAKUHA?

MALIPAY UNTA KO UG BISAN NA RA MAN MIDAUG TA UG USA KA TARO NGA SOPAS  ( MURAG TGA PROVINCE MIBYAHE ULI IGO IGASA )


AMAW JUD ........... MGA AMAW!

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 01:18:50 AM »
Kinsa ang naga-regulate sa in-ani nga contest? Adunay government agency responsible to this.It  is like deceiving the public, there are lawyers who are suppose to watch the correctness of the whole procedure? I

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2009, 01:22:44 AM »
No notice was posted outside the mall or perhaps on radio stations?

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 01:24:09 AM »
KANA?

AMBOT LANG KAHA

NAHIBAWO KAHA SI MARLITO UG ANG DTI MAO NAY NAHITABO????


UG WALA>,   PAHIBAW EEEEEEEEEEEEE


ARON MADISIPLINA NANG MGA UNGAS DIHA......

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2009, 01:25:13 AM »
ang blood pressure bantayi kay murag nisaka na...hahahahhaha. :o

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 01:26:41 AM »
No notice was posted outside the mall or perhaps on radio stations?

HAGBAY RA MAN NANG MGA NOTICE NGA SA 6TH....


WAY SA 4TH,,,,,,,,....

MAO LAGI TO,   WA MOTUNONG UG SUNDAY ANG 6TH.   SUNDAY MAN DIAY TUYO..


WAY KALENDARYO GPANGHATAG NANG MGA INSIKA NA.......?
   LA LAGE MATAGAE NANG MGA GUNGGONG NGA SAKOP?


BASIN PINILI PUD ANG TAGAAN...........

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 01:27:58 AM »
ANG BLOOD PRESSURE, BANTAYI KAY MURAG NISAKA NA...

LAAAAAAA  GAJU TO..  LA GAJUD.


way pressure kay way blad..   wa hahaha

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 01:30:35 AM »
pagkaluoy sab intawon tong taga lagyong lungsod nga nanugbong unya napalaw.

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2009, 01:31:39 AM »
dako tingali og premyo kay daghan mang napalaw... :'(

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 01:32:50 AM »

Renegade, please refrain from using all caps!

Thanks!

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2009, 01:37:08 AM »
pasagdi sa lang nas renedage kadiyot kay gapahungaw pa nas gibati....

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2009, 01:38:08 AM »

nope! pwede man siya pahungaw ug di mag capslock.

ikaw pud glacier, avoid using all caps!

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2009, 01:39:35 AM »
nope! pwede man siya pahungaw ug di mag capslock.

ikaw pud glacier, avoid using all caps!

ayay...sowie...arrrggg...!!!

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2009, 01:42:29 AM »
nope! pwede man siya pahungaw ug di mag capslock.

ikaw pud glacier, avoid using all caps!

maoy pasabot nga nasuko ta kay all caps naman...


ug istoryahon pa na. MISYAGET NA JUD KO...

niwey, wats wrong with all caps ba? tell me..

TELL MEEEEEEEEEEEE

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2009, 01:45:11 AM »
bitaw pod no, renegade...importante nga mabasa man unta. (sad)

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2009, 01:48:56 AM »
bitaw pod no, renegade...importante nga mabasa man unta. (sad)

pwede man kaha ta ug pahungaw diri, nya badlungon man ta.

undang gali kog skwela kay magbuot nang mga titser, kana pa kahang wa nako ikita bisan sa de ker ra?????

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2009, 01:53:08 AM »
pwede man kaha ta ug pahungaw diri, nya badlungon man ta.

undang gali kog skwela kay magbuot nang mga titser, kana pa kahang wa nako ikita bisan sa de ker ra?????

hahahahaha...karon pa ko ani. ug naay maghisgot og jer-jer kay di badlongon...ug CAPS na, di na pwede. mag-withdrawal symptoms man pod ta ani DA..

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2009, 01:56:27 AM »
BITAW

PASABOT ANA, DIPENDE SA GIANGAYAN.

UG WA MUANGAY UG ALL CAPS?????????????????

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2009, 01:59:39 AM »
hisgot na lang og partig ginoo basin maangayan

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2009, 02:00:20 AM »
MATUG NA KO

WAY NADA BARAWON TA

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2009, 02:02:36 AM »
Hey renegade and glacier,

All caps and other repetitive characters are not allowed because yahoo and google search engine are very particular on these matters. Tubag Bohol has rules and as decent members, you are expected to oblige.

Read more here http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?topic=7424.0
 
Reasons why we have guidelines - http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?topic=7428.0

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2009, 02:04:12 AM »

Hey renegade and glacier,

All caps and other repetitive characters are not allowed because yahoo and google search engine are very particular on these matters. Tubag Bohol has rules and as decent members, you are expected to oblige.


WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT EEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEER

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for those who doesnt know at first,   plaese enlighten us before barawon.

ang bright, bright unta.


kami or ako kay di man.

i write by instinct and reaction ra .....
 way lain.

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2009, 02:07:55 AM »
Hey renegade and glacier,

All caps and other repetitive characters are not allowed because yahoo and google search engine are very particular on these matters. Tubag Bohol has rules and as decent members, you are expected to oblige.

Read more here http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?topic=7424.0


ok. tnx...mao man kaha gud.


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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2009, 02:09:26 AM »
for those who doesnt know at first,   plaese enlighten us before barawon.

ang bright, bright unta.


kami or ako kay di man.

i write by instinct and reaction ra .....
 way lain.

kasabot ko nimo, renegade...ug labi nas imong gibati...

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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2009, 02:09:34 AM »
ok. tnx...mao man kaha gud.



hehehe.


i wonder why i missed TB meet.


challenging kaajo

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2009, 02:12:23 AM »
ok. tnx...mao man kaha gud.


ug ako lang,   maka afford man kog sopas ba.

ang lain ani, atong mga igsuon nga, sulti na lang nato nga murag nagdahom manaugay....   nya, " gikan pa ako sa bukid " kwentahay,   mapalaw.


LALIM BA?


hehehe.


i wonder why i missed TB meet.


challenging kaajo
kasabot ko nimo, renegade...ug labi nas imong gibati...

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2009, 02:12:59 AM »

hehehe.


i wonder why i missed TB meet.


challenging kaajo

ngano man diay, renegade? pwede makahibawo? heheheh

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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2009, 02:14:37 AM »
ngano man diay, renegade? pwede makahibawo? heheheh


KAPILA NA SKED UG MEET UP, PARTY, EYEBALL UG UBAN PA.
 nig tym mu open kos akoang account human naman.

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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2009, 02:16:10 AM »
hisgot na lang og partig ginoo basin maangayan

sama ani: ginoo, nganong di man tawn kami maka-'caps"...lol

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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2009, 02:17:45 AM »

KAPILA NA SKED UG MEET UP, PARTY, EYEBALL UG UBAN PA.
 nig tym mu open kos akoang account human naman.

sige tingali kag kahubog o katog...o di ka ganahan mo attend sa TB meet.

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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2009, 02:17:50 AM »
 :o

matug na ko.

maajong bie sa tanan
gudnyt
gutten naben
oyasuminassai

bye

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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2009, 02:19:06 AM »
:o

matug na ko.

maajong bie sa tanan
gudnyt
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oyasuminassai

bye

maayong paghagok, renegade. damgoha na lang nang imong gibati...di na ka mabadlongan didto. LOL.

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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2009, 02:47:51 AM »
hahay nahuman ra jud kay nahinanok na ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2009, 02:52:08 AM »
MATUG NA KO

WAY NADA BARAWON TA
adto pahungaw sa TM kay way mobaraw nimo didto pwede nimo solohon

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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2009, 04:53:34 AM »
Haze, I am with you in this regard. You are an admin and it's part of our job to try to maintain order.  You did just what exactly we are expected to do as Admins.  Before naa na tay gibadlong na all-caps ang gipagsulat. Natural ra na na ang gibadlong, masuko kay naa jud mga tawo di pasulti.  Whether we like it or not, we are living in a world where there are rules kay kon walay rules, unsa na lang kaha kagubot ang kalibutan.   Gubot na gani naay rules, unsa pa kon wala.  Just imagine those kids in grade 1 kon walay titser, mao na mahitabo nato or even worst.

Renegade, tiaw ba pod tawon malagpot ang ulo inig sagpa oi!  You may not really meant that but that is so violent.  Yes, if true imong gi ingon, dako ang mali sa ICM from moving the raffle date ahead without informing the public and this should be looked into sa atong mga autoridad.  Or, we can ask ICM kay basin bya diha jud announcement wala lang na abot nimo and other people who came today.  I think nakita man gani na nako sa newspaper.  Nonetheless, diha ba silay gipang declare na winners ang ICM from their January 4 Raffle? 

here's the link of the news sa Bohol Chronicle:  http://www.boholchronicle.com/2006/nov/26/comm3.htm


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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2009, 05:02:45 AM »
misapot c renegade ka sapot tale..kay nagpagawas cya nya sa iya pa own choice of words "nabaraw" then again.. we need to follow..

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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2009, 05:11:20 AM »
unsa gud nang word na baraw, bem?  ang sa amo ang baraw kay kana man piece of iron na ipang kubkub sa yuta.

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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2009, 05:39:28 AM »
baraw te murag na disturb..hehe

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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2009, 06:38:23 AM »

Palihug we put some decency in our postings, of course there are topics which are highly emotional but we belong to a very civilized province named Bohol, so we follow rules and we behave and show respect to other members. Lami lagi usahay mag jama-jama, apan kita mosubay sa balaod sa maayong pamatasan, ajaw kalimti ang GMRC ( Good Manners and Right Conduct) lol, look who´s talking I was hyperctive in school.
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2009, 06:58:55 AM »
baraw te murag na disturb..hehe

Thanks, Bem!  Mao diay na baraw ha! hehehe

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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2009, 09:14:16 AM »
Haze, I am with you in this regard. You are an admin and it's part of our job to try to maintain order.  You did just what exactly we are expected to do as Admins.  Before naa na tay gibadlong na all-caps ang gipagsulat. Natural ra na na ang gibadlong, masuko kay naa jud mga tawo di pasulti.  Whether we like it or not, we are living in a world where there are rules kay kon walay rules, unsa na lang kaha kagubot ang kalibutan.   Gubot na gani naay rules, unsa pa kon wala.  Just imagine those kids in grade 1 kon walay titser, mao na mahitabo nato or even worst.

Renegade, tiaw ba pod tawon malagpot ang ulo inig sagpa oi!  You may not really meant that but that is so violent.  Yes, if true imong gi ingon, dako ang mali sa ICM from moving the raffle date ahead without informing the public and this should be looked into sa atong mga autoridad.  Or, we can ask ICM kay basin bya diha jud announcement wala lang na abot nimo and other people who came today.  I think nakita man gani na nako sa newspaper.  Nonetheless, diha ba silay gipang declare na winners ang ICM from their January 4 Raffle? 

here's the link of the news sa Bohol Chronicle:  http://www.boholchronicle.com/2006/nov/26/comm3.htm


ako lang, di man jud mo maka-expect nga mobasa ang tanan sa rules...
but i am not saying one cannot be culpable for not being aware of the rules...
and i believe in the role of rules.

apan, kung duna man galing "Lagda" dinhi nga na-supak, for sensitivity's sake, i-PM lang gud sa hingtungdan, aron pod dili kaayo "uwaw" kay bisag di ta kaila dinhi, words said are still powerful and it still affects the person...

i am sorry for putting my words in CAPS... sometimes! Imagine niabot na kog 500 ka posts, wa na gani ko kadumdum kapila ko nakagamit og CAPS, unya wa man ko mapil-pili sa kamot..abi nako og ok ra. again, my apologies labi nas Admin...

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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2009, 09:52:01 AM »
Can't Help noticing the post of Renegade about sa nahitabo. I understand how it feels na ma-palaw. I would suggest go to bombo radyo and tell them para sad. Ingna taga ICM or you can email [email protected] para sad ma news ba. Ug a public apology would be sufficient.

Suko siguro si renegade kay murag daghan to entry nya bisag usa wala kadaog.

About  pod sa all caps. Sakto ang gibuhat sa admin giving a warning.  The proper explanation was given, my mom usually says "kung dli ka gani mutuo paka gyud" . And bisan siguro masuko we should be responsible for the consequences.

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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2009, 10:21:35 AM »
sige tingali kag kahubog o katog...o di ka ganahan mo attend sa TB meet.

di man pud.  ug mutunga ko,, matiman an nya,

kaon nya ko ug 'LIBEL "

murag mao gajud.

unless the concerned people will take criticism as a constructive and positive one.

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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2009, 10:40:21 AM »
Can't Help noticing the post of Renegade about sa nahitabo. I understand how it feels na ma-palaw. I would suggest go to bombo radyo and tell them para sad. Ingna taga ICM or you can email [email protected] para sad ma news ba. Ug a public apology would be sufficient.


la tawon kadaog kay la ko entry...

gagmay suwatanan, dako kog agi.

tiaw mahubot nya di ma confirm.


niwey, tanan man cguro naa diri kay civilzed. pero di pud ta pareho ug sud sa ulo. basin kagang ang akoa mao kinagang pud musuwat. pwede mn kaha i PM? mao ra to unta...

murag decency is just an outside personality.

nay tibuok adlaw mag ampo, pero p*//#4&^@  man diayng dako.

basin mao pa toy gapanamak ug tao aron maka kab ot sa iyang ambisyon.

mine is just a show of true color. true feelings that dili deserve taguan.

ug makaligis ko. i would not say sorry that easy. mag sorry ta nya di nto imean. ayaw na lang.

true apology comes from the deepest part of a person's heart and conciousnes, so if and we way sorry,   think about it a thousand times aron di masayang ang effort.

dili na uso ang moralista karon.  para nako, only newborn children are free from any sins in this world of sins.

kanang mga moralista diha, AJAW NA LANG.

bitaw, sa mga mi react nako o sa akong sinuwatan,

this is from my heart and i will say it only NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE.

" I AM SORRY ! "

ang magkatawa, mubutod pa unta ( murag familiar man to nga line ?
Suko siguro si renegade kay murag daghan to entry nya bisag usa wala kadaog.

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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2009, 10:47:24 AM »
ako lang, di man jud mo maka-expect nga mobasa ang tanan sa rules...
but i am not saying one cannot be culpable for not being aware of the rules...
and i believe in the role of rules.

apan, kung duna man galing "Lagda" dinhi nga na-supak, for sensitivity's sake, i-PM lang gud sa hingtungdan, aron pod dili kaayo "uwaw" kay bisag di ta kaila dinhi, words said are still powerful and it still affects the person...

i am sorry for putting my words in CAPS... sometimes! Imagine niabot na kog 500 ka posts, wa na gani ko kadumdum kapila ko nakagamit og CAPS, unya wa man ko mapil-pili sa kamot..abi nako og ok ra. again, my apologies labi nas Admin...

TRUE TO HIS OWN WORDS,

ako pud,  thank you sa admin. salamat sa pag refine sa sa title.

( abi pud nako ug general topic, pwede man kaha iexpress ang feelings. ) di man diay.

magsuwat na lang kos tubig.  di na lang ko mu react.  next time, i will only read threads na lang. no commemnt na lang ko. kana tipo bang wa tay pakialam. 

mao man kaha.


basa na lang, ayaw react.

tulon na lang, aya usapa.

luomi lang, ayaw hilak ( bahalag mubuto inyong dughan. )

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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2009, 04:55:18 PM »
i bet not a lot of government regulators would do that. For a store lik ICM, its definitely one that would shake whomsoever in government meets them hed on.

Like they said, I SEE 'EM, but cant do anything (pardon the pun)

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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2009, 05:09:15 PM »
we're all allowed to react and express our feelings here,  the post was not the issue. it's how it was posted. :)

i get the point.

pro sab, we need to know the rules first before playing. right? really, move on ta uy.

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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2009, 05:40:12 PM »
we're all allowed to react and express our feelings here,  the post was not the issue. it's how it was posted. :)

i get the point.

pro sab, we need to know the rules first before playing. right? really, move on ta uy.
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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2009, 12:00:39 AM »
unsa gud nang word na baraw, bem?  ang sa amo ang baraw kay kana man piece of iron na ipang kubkub sa yuta.
ang baraw, usa ka term nga nagpasabot ug gipakgang or gisanta or unsa may close ani. basin ug daghan ug tickets nga napalit si renegade or di ba kaha ang iyang mga kaparyentehan. unsa may naa ani nga raffle draw? ma forfeit ang imong daug kung wala ka diha during the draw? i think most raffle draws sa mga department stores wala magkinahanglang sa imong presensya kay kung ikaw ang mabunotan ug makadaug, ibutyag man siguro na sa publiko unya pahibaw-on dayon ka through mails or tawag ba kaha. mao nang importante nga imong isulat ug tarong ang mga information nga gikinahanglan diha sa ticket or raffle stub.

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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2009, 12:25:24 AM »
ang baraw, usa ka term nga nagpasabot ug gipakgang or gisanta or unsa may close ani. basin ug daghan ug tickets nga napalit si renegade or di ba kaha ang iyang mga kaparyentehan. unsa may naa ani nga raffle draw? ma forfeit ang imong daug kung wala ka diha during the draw? i think most raffle draws sa mga department stores wala magkinahanglang sa imong presensya kay kung ikaw ang mabunotan ug makadaug, ibutyag man siguro na sa publiko unya pahibaw-on dayon ka through mails or tawag ba kaha. mao nang importante nga imong isulat ug tarong ang mga information nga gikinahanglan diha sa ticket or raffle stub.
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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2009, 12:58:23 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2009, 04:55:21 AM »
maghisgot na lang og parti og ginoo para way mo react...para di na makatawa

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« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2009, 05:23:48 AM »
may pa...pero manglimbawot man sad tanang balhibo nako og Ginoo tanan...
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« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2009, 05:25:10 AM »
baraw kay term na sa hantak.
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« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2009, 05:28:31 AM »
mao tingali akong gilabyan sa una sa CPG, nagpuk-ong kay naghantak..

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« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2009, 05:31:08 AM »
todas2x ang tawag ato tulo ka tag singko sentabos ang iantog

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« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2009, 05:33:44 AM »
hantak man  gihapon tawag ana sa amoa, mr bean

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« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2009, 05:50:06 AM »
hantak man  gihapon tawag ana sa amoa, mr bean
ah tama hantak gihapon kay tulo man ka kwarta gihapon ang gamiton..hari o patay

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« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2009, 05:53:04 AM »
bai, kadumdom ka adtong tinagdako nga dagko gyud mao toy nindot gamiton sa hantak.

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« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2009, 06:02:16 AM »
bai, kadumdom ka adtong tinagdako nga dagko gyud mao toy nindot gamiton sa hantak.

hangtod karon bai mao man lang gihapon ang gamit dagko nga tag dako
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« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2009, 06:26:43 AM »
wa kaha ta magkita sauna bai? hahaha.

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« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2009, 06:35:59 AM »
wa kaha ta magkita sauna bai? hahaha.
basin gakita ta bai unya suplado lang ka.hahahahaha joke lang ha

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« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2009, 10:34:32 AM »
basig ako tong nagdakop ninyo kay sige na lang hantak

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« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2009, 01:33:04 PM »
ang baraw, usa ka term nga nagpasabot ug gipakgang or gisanta or unsa may close ani. basin ug daghan ug tickets nga napalit si renegade or di ba kaha ang iyang mga kaparyentehan. unsa may naa ani nga raffle draw? ma forfeit ang imong daug kung wala ka diha during the draw? i think most raffle draws sa mga department stores wala magkinahanglang sa imong presensya kay kung ikaw ang mabunotan ug makadaug, ibutyag man siguro na sa publiko unya pahibaw-on dayon ka through mails or tawag ba kaha. mao nang importante nga imong isulat ug tarong ang mga information nga gikinahanglan diha sa ticket or raffle stub.

the issue here is not about me. not about even if have all the raffle tickets ug makadaug ba or dili. the real issue here is ang mga tao nga wa inform tungod siguro kay layo ilang lugar or alangan man magnganga ra sila sa radyo maghuwat ug maminaw ug na bay announcement or unsa ba...
the issue is kanang mga tao nga gahuwat ug gapa abot ug na bay swerte nga muabot sa ilaha kay im quite sure some members of this group are nakakita or na meet na ilahang swerte that is why di na nila na kinahanglan mu apil apil ug mga raffles.
the issue is the pipol were not properly informed or were not informed at all sa changes sa dates.
the issue is siguro wala mo sa venue that very day even the next succeding days kay wala mo nakadungog or nakabati sa mga hinuktok ug bagutbot sa mga tao...
the issue is siguro you dont need to travel to a far away mall in the city to witness the draffle ( that adds excitement sa mga daghan gi apil nga stubs )...
the issue is not now or not ever mubato mo sa unsay gibati sa mga tao and the REAL ISSUE IS WALA MO DIDTO...

i am not siiting alone in some corner and murmur about what is happening to mu environment.   na pud koy pakialam but wa ko makialam sa unsay nahitabo.

i was only, and ONLY EXPRESSING what ive heard from true pipol nga as in buhi jud na nangadto didto.

i am not solicitng to anyone to join my sympathy brigade for those pipol.

its just me expressing what supposed to be expressed here, now.

i have notning againts icm or anybody but i give sympathy odt to the pipol who needs it even they dont have to tell me to do so.

we are all humans.


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« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2009, 10:49:36 PM »
while i understand your feelings regarding the failure of the mall management in informing the people the changes they made in the raffle date. im still baffled and confused as to why these people had to come to ICM to personally witness the raffle draw. please lay down the terms and tell your TB friends the mechanics as it might be the key in enlightening our minds regarding this so called raffle draw hysteria.

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« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2009, 03:14:26 AM »
basin og gipanabi pod nga naay moadto nga celebrity/ties o banda ba kaha, nga sikat sa pinas, aron maoy mo-draw o mopadugang sa kaalegre sa raffle. basin lang ha. kay, para nako, kini man jud maoy usa mga hugupan og mga tawo kung naay kalihukan nga sama ani. syempre og ako fan aning celebrity, moadto jud ko. i wonder lang pod bitaw og unsay patakaran aning maong raffle.

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2009, 12:46:47 AM »
mao sad, pwede pud ug mao nay rason. or pwede sad giingnan nga naay additional nga ipanghatag sa mga motambong. pero kaning tanan nga mga pangutana matubag lang jud ni renegade kinsa maoy daghan ug kasayoran kabahin ani.

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« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2009, 08:33:44 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2009, 03:34:43 PM »
i think the warning has been given and we all know were warned because it would upset our position with the global engines.

so where does that leave us?

the issue still pops up, and i think we need the management of Island City Mall come up with a statement more profound than because it was not on a sunday.

i think we deserve that

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2009, 05:33:15 PM »
As much as I like the admins in this forum I must agree with Glacier nga unta ang corrections sa admins isend sa PM kay looy baya hunahunaon si Renegade nga nagpahungaw sa iyang kasuko unya buyagon pagyod siya in public nga di pagamiton sa All caps.
ikaw kunoy nahighblood na unya buyagon paka nga sayop imo pagkasulat.

Pls. admins next time, its better you send the person who doesnt follow the TB rules via PM. (Anha na ipublic kon di gyod motoo sa PM)

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« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2009, 05:44:19 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2009, 05:46:57 PM »

Spiderman, please check your PM re: reply#72

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« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2009, 06:28:46 PM »
i suggest that you guys should read previous posts before posting.

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« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2009, 11:04:49 PM »
what previous posts kiamoy?


i suggest that you guys should read previous posts before posting.

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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2009, 10:10:15 AM »
After reviewing the discussion here, I found that there absolutely was nothing offensive, rude or derogatory or insulting when a site admin or anyone posts an open reminder regarding our simple and easy guidelines.

Posting a TubagBohol reminder in public, so long as it is not a personal attack, is encouraged so that those who are not yet aware of a particular guideline would learn from it.

I don't think we should go this far in the discussion when the friendly shortcut of it was just to say "Sorry, I did not know it. Cheers" or "Thanks for the reminder; I was not aware about it. Cheers".

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2009, 04:15:55 PM »
As much as I like the admins in this forum I must agree with Glacier nga unta ang corrections sa admins isend sa PM kay looy baya hunahunaon si Renegade nga nagpahungaw sa iyang kasuko unya buyagon pagyod siya in public nga di pagamiton sa All caps.
ikaw kunoy nahighblood na unya buyagon paka nga sayop imo pagkasulat.

Pls. admins next time, its better you send the person who doesnt follow the TB rules via PM. (Anha na ipublic kon di gyod motoo sa PM)

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Did you also consider using PM in reminding us Admins that we should PM members in reminding them of their violations to forum rules, Spiderman? Well, I guess not ha?  So then, your suggestion only applies if the Admin is politely reminding members and not the members to the Admins.  But it's okay because first I like you as you are most of the time level-headed and secondly and most importantly, we are open to suggestions and opinions.  Now, if you had your letters in all caps, maybe we'll have to politely ask you not to do such thing for reasons explained in the separate thread started by Mike but you did not so you are good!   :) 

Now, with due respect to you, Spiderman, I totally agree with what Mike said about this issue.

To be honest, I have other issues with renegade's posts and that were the graphic use of violent and derogatory words.  But I've said my piece already in my earlier post so I will leave it at that.

To renegade, you may just had a bad day that day and your emotional outbursts would  not affect my respect to you as a member of TB.

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« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2009, 05:49:02 PM »
what previous posts kiamoy?

That he was indeed warned several times already. It's in this thread.

ingon pa ni kuya mike,. cheers. move on.

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2009, 06:12:09 PM »
I did not say that it is rude or offensive, derogatory or rather  insulting to tell a TB member not to use all caps in his/her posting.

The point here is that: a person was already extremely angry re: the ICM raffle hysteria and I just find it not the right timing for an admin to correct him at that time in public. There are always exceptions in a rule di ba?

Hunahunaa ragod kon naay tawo nga naghuramentado nga nagdala ug sundang unya imo pa siya "correctionan" ug ingnon nga "bay sayop nang imong pagkupot sa sundang".

Di ba kon ang atong asawa or bana perting sukoa angay man na nimo papahungawon sa daan sa iyang kalagot usa nimo sultihan ug laing problema? Sa panultihon pa bitaw, ayaw sugnuri ang kalayo nga nagsilaab na. (aw sakto ba ni?) but you got what I mean.

So at that moment I really feel that it was more fitting for that said admin to send a PM to renegade.
and I was simply agreeing to what glacier suggested.

And since many members still dont know about NETiquette (That using all caps means shouting , althought at that moment  he was literally shouting out his anger;-)) I still find it more fitting to "reprimand" or "remind" the TB members who are NOT aware of the TB rules to send them first a PM and if he/she doesnt listen thats the time to make it public.


That is if  we dont want the other "sensitive" TB members to feel offended.
This is just my opinion. BUT yours is the Law and decision since you own TB.

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« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2009, 06:21:46 PM »
Dear Grazie,
Yes, I know you like me and I like you as well. I am one admirer of your postings and I can sometimes see myself in you. ;D A fighter!

To answer your ?. I did not PM my comments , please it was NOT a reminder to TB admins,  I was simply agreeing with Glaciers suggestion and more of asking ( I wrote: Pls.) that maybe next time it is best they will send it first via PM.
 I am simply a member too who expressed my thoughts at that moment.

I'm not an admin, remember? So I did not know if Renegade have committed many violations about the rules in the past. And if he really did, I still find it NOt the right timing to reprimand him (not using all caps) at that time of his emotional anger.

 So cheers!
PS. I wonder why it  has become such a BIG deal when I simply ask if it is ok to send a first warning via PM? Did I hit the nuclear button here ?? ;)




Did you also consider using PM in reminding us Admins that we should PM members in reminding them of their violations to forum rules, Spiderman? Well, I guess not ha?  So then, your suggestion only applies if the Admin is politely reminding members and not the members to the Admins.  But it's okay because first I like you as you are most of the time level-headed and secondly and most importantly, we are open to suggestions and opinions.  Now, if you had your letters in all caps, maybe we'll have to politely ask you not to do such thing for reasons explained in the separate thread started by Mike but you did not so you are good!   :) 

Now, with due respect to you, Spiderman, I totally agree with what Mike said about this issue.

To be honest, I have other issues with renegade's posts and that were the graphic use of violent and derogatory words.  But I've said my piece already in my earlier post so I will leave it at that.

To renegade, you may just had a bad day that day and your emotional outbursts would  not affect my respect to you as a member of TB.

So peace to all and happy new year!

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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2009, 07:04:22 PM »
Kiamoy,
There are rules in TB, right? If Renegade have violated them, warned several times and still havent listen, nganong gitugotan paman siya pag post dire? Why make the rules/law if it has no power to punish the violators?





That he was indeed warned several times already. It's in this thread.

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« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2009, 02:53:34 AM »
Dear Grazie,
Yes, I know you like me and I like you as well. I am one admirer of your postings and I can sometimes see myself in you. ;D A fighter!

To answer your ?. I did not PM my comments , please it was NOT a reminder to TB admins,  I was simply agreeing with Glaciers suggestion and more of asking ( I wrote: Pls.) that maybe next time it is best they will send it first via PM.
 I am simply a member too who expressed my thoughts at that moment.

I'm not an admin, remember? So I did not know if Renegade have committed many violations about the rules in the past. And if he really did, I still find it NOt the right timing to reprimand him (not using all caps) at that time of his emotional anger.

 So cheers!
PS. I wonder why it  has become such a BIG deal when I simply ask if it is ok to send a first warning via PM? Did I hit the nuclear button here ?? ;)





Did it become a big deal only when you said something, Spiderman?  Believe me, it wasn't you, Spiderman.  But you are cute. hehehe

You said you weren't reminding the Admins but merely agreeing to Glacier? 

Gingah said:  Renegade, please refrain from using all caps! Thanks!

Spiderman said:  Pls. admins next time, its better you send the person who doesnt follow the TB rules via PM. (Anha na ipublic kon di gyod motoo sa PM)

Which one is not a reminder or an instruction?  Let me reiterate though that it's perfectly alright to remind us, or at least to me because I don't want to speak for the other admins.   And if Mike says we should PM each and every reminders to members, well then I will humbly respect that.  And exactly Spiderman, you are not an admin as you said but it's apparent to me you can be a good admin kay you are level-headed and smart and what not.

Now, let me take the counsel of my baby sister here in TB - Bembem aka kiamoy.  I will now move on, Bem.  Thanks for your reminder!

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« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2009, 03:01:18 AM »
Kiamoy,
There are rules in TB, right? If Renegade have violated them, warned several times and still havent listen, nganong gitugotan paman siya pag post dire? Why make the rules/law if it has no power to punish the violators?


wa nako kasabot. at first "unta gi PM" nya karon napud "punish" dayun... maybe kay nabasahan naman ang previous posts?

and speaking of sensitivity, i am hoping nobody will thread their goodbyes all over again. come on.  what's the purpose of informing if the replies won't be read by the starter anyway.. so as claimed.

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« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2009, 03:10:21 AM »

So at that moment I really feel that it was more fitting for that said admin to send a PM to renegade.
and I was simply agreeing to what glacier suggested.


Spiderman, I guess I already said my piece in your PM yesterday. I have enough of this. This thread has gone so far and way out of topic.

To the topic starter renegade: I am going to close this thread for the meantime so people can move on.

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« Reply #86 on: January 14, 2009, 10:16:55 PM »
I am reopening this thread.

Any continuity of discussion must be centered on the original topic. If this thread would only cause division in Tubag Bohol, I will delete it once and for all.

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« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2009, 10:50:04 PM »
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Why are we implementing certain guidelines on how to type our titles or subjects or why we should avoid many dots, periods, commas, question marks, exclamation points, etc.?

We are doing this so that we can maintain our Tubag Bohol as Google-and-Yahoo-friendly site.

Many websites pay thousands of dollars to SEO (search engine optimization) companies so that their websites would appear on the top 10 of search engine results. We don't do that because we simply can't afford that.

Today if you hire a search engine optimizer, it will cost you as much as $10,000 a year.

Myself a search engine optimizer, I've spent hundreds of hours optimizing Tubag Bohol, so I don't need to pay thousands of dollars to SEOs.

As an example, if you type the phrase bohol orchids in google.com, Tubag Bohol website will come out first. Or if you type the name handel lagunay in google.com, Tubag Bohol comes out second in the rank. Or if you type bohol buy and sale in google, com, we rank no. 7 and 8 in search results. There are many other keywords and phrases that appear no. 1 or top 10 in google.com search ranking results.

There are billions of web pages indexed by Google and Yahoo. If you appear no. 1 in search engine results or even in the top 10, that is something you can smile of at the end of the day (usually dawn time), knowing your sleepless nights have been paid off.

That doesn't stop there. The rank has to be maintained everyday. And search engine optimization is only one of the many works I do for Tubag Bohol.

That's why my heart cries when one of us (as what we've experienced before) abused our site by violating certain guidelines here. They don't have any idea how much efforts and time have been used by all of us to have this site run smoothly in the web universe.

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2009, 10:51:26 PM »
Ren, peace na ta tanan please :)

any updates sa ICM? Gi unsa na nila pag compensate sa mga tao?

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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2009, 11:12:10 PM »
mmmm. dont know.

dont wanna touch it na. had enough.

mangita na pud ko unsay lami hisgutan.

kanang way stir.

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« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2009, 06:14:35 AM »
mga Bol-anon ug mga higala,

I would like to make a petition on-line to say/react and to express our disgust about the conduct of this raffle tickets.  This is not a laughing matter, the disappointment is great.  We have some strategies to express our feelings like faxing our sentiments on a certain time simultaneously for example 8.00 A.M. The office will run out of papers and the fax machine will breakdown. We can send emails with the same procedure. I know that we have members here who works for the A.... group. It would be nice if they just keep themselves silent. Attention Wardiflex and Alfonso Potane at iba pa.
This tactic works, this is practiced by a big organization.
I would like to hear your feedbacks  Mike, Admins and the rest of the members who might sympathize with the exploited customers of ....

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« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2009, 09:18:11 AM »
Manay, I totally agree with your idea on making a petition to express our disgust to ICM Management for how poorly, for the lack of word, they handled the raffle draw.  But I am just wondering if you think we should hear first the side of ICM as we are only hearing one side of the coin.  I am not doubting renegade on how she reported the incident here but still, I feel it is best to hear the other side.  We can kindly ask Leo aka El Mundo to take the side of ICM or email Bohol Chronicle maybe?  Maybe Mike has a better idea on how to do this.  What do you think, Manay?  However, if you already have validated report that ICM was at fault, then sure we can go ahead. I'd like to go for the email procedure since I do not have a working fax machine here. (hehehe pobre ba oi!) My next question is, if proven that ICM was at fault, how can ICM make it right to the people they caused inconvenience and disappointment? 

Thanks a lot, Manay! 

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« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2009, 11:07:31 AM »
I think, i really htink is that an apology will do.

it is not a compensation by numbers, let us put it in words,
heavily, heartily. show that we are indeed sincere in asking for an apology.

musabot man ang tao ana bisan gali siguro bata ug mangayo tag pasaylo if we really mean it by heart not just by mere words.

we can not cut down a tree itself because we happened to see nga nay nalata nga bunga. least we could do is to find a solution. Spreyan ba kaha aron di makatakod ug gasakit ang bunga or ato jud kuhaon na lang.

i mind my own opinion and will surely stad for it.

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« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2009, 02:30:50 PM »
That sounds good, Saranghe.  Let's see if we could get the attention of ICM to address the issue here.  Thanks!

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« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2009, 04:48:33 PM »
We can compose a letter expressing our disgust, we will tell them that this letter will be open to the public in what ever form, okay? And we will see how they explain their side which will be open to the public also.  Dili nato palabyon ining higayona kay kon ako nag gunit sa  stubs sa ticket , it will insult me as a customer.

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2009, 01:10:22 AM »
We can compose a letter expressing our disgust, we will tell them that this letter will be open to the public in what ever form, okay? And we will see how they explain their side which will be open to the public also.  Dili nato palabyon ining higayona kay kon ako nag gunit sa  stubs sa ticket , it will insult me as a customer.

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Saranghe, I´m for your proposal for a public apology from the ICM side.

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Manay, how do we go on from here?  Is it too much to ask na ikaw na mag compose sa love letter for ICM kay chada bitaw ka mo han-ay? Please! :-*

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2009, 03:29:11 AM »
I have some second thoughts now after reading the first thread 3 times; it is only the schedule which was prematurely done. The question is , was the raffle draw held on that day correct and properly handled? If there were no irregularities on the side of the ICM administration then  our complain would be about the premature schedule.
I think there are legal observers during the raffle draw, were they aware of this? Is this an irregularity in the eyes of the Phil law? 
I know that a representative from a government agency who take a watch on occasions like this, I don´t know the term and the legal technicalities, we need some advise from members who are lawyers in this Forum.

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2009, 01:39:28 AM »
does ICM have a public relations officer?

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2009, 01:47:38 AM »
Mr. Loy Palapos is the PR and marketing manager of the Alturas Group of Companies that covers all entities owned by the company such as Alturas Dept Store, Plaza Marcela and ICM.

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Re: ICM Raffle Draw Hysteria
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2009, 05:33:07 AM »
Unsa man ang sunod nato nga lakang? I need your sound judgement.

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