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« on: April 30, 2011, 08:10:52 PM »
The messenger of Allah said: "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said: " You have spoken rightly", Jebreel (Gabriel) from Number 2 of "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths."

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 10:29:41 PM »
If you're a Christian then this strongly go against your doctrine.
It is like oil and water, liquid in form, but can never mix.
This is the same for them as well.
Your faith is your Personal choice.
 To be a believer or non believer.


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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 12:23:49 AM »
If you're a Christian then this strongly go against your doctrine.
It is like oil and water, liquid in form, but can never mix.
This is the same for them as well.
Your faith is your Personal choice.
 To be a believer or non believer.


Tinuod. Pero naa poy di mo disagree hehehe. Meaning, ok lang if they hear such. Many a-times we say the same thing about our personal world view, sometimes, negativity towards others. Why? because we think the world revolves around ourselves, bwahahahaha!!! (Biggest sin of man, PRIDE)  :P

Addendum: I have a good friend who is an atheist, by virtue of being into a non-believer family (nahitabo nga gipanganak sa Praque, the old Czechoslovakia)... he does not believe in any of this (religion).  But mosimba pag Domingo, and, if I have my say, mas Kristiyano pa kaayo siya sa mga nabunyagang Kristiyano hahahaha. Saonz  :P



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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 12:44:41 AM »
sa akong pagsabot, pareho lang. Kaya lang nagpadala ang Dyos ug bag-ong Propheta sa panahon nga ang mga tao mawala na sa direkyon ang pamoyo, sama inani karon naay RH bill nakaumang nga sa akong tan-aw dautan ang epekto niani sa moralidad sa mga katawhan ug dili malayo nga maingon ta sa mga tao ni Prophete Moises nga pinarusahan ng Dyos dahil sa mga kalaswaan nga ginagawa noon. Pero may gibilin sa mga tao na iyon at ito nga ang mga Judyo/Judaism (Jews) / Israelitas.


Abrahamic Religions:
1. Judaism (Moises)-holy Torah
2. Christianity (Jesus Christ)-holy Bible
3. Islam (Mohammad)-holy Qur'an

(1)Old Testament, Holy Torah (Judaism)
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Si Moises ay nagsabi:
Deuteronomy: 6:5 "Pakinga mo O Israel, Ang Panginoong Diyos ay isang Panginoon, at iyong mahalin ang inyong Panginoon ng boung puso, ng buong kaluluwa at buong lakas.

(2) New Testament, Holy Bible (Christianity)
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Si Jesus ay nagbibigay aral din at nagwikang:
Markus 12:29 "Pakinggan mo O Israel. Ang Panginoon nating Diyos ay Isang Panginoon. At iyong mahalin ang iyong Panginoon Diyos ng buong puso,buong kaluluwa, ng buong isip at ng buong lakas.

(3) Holy Qur'an (Islam)
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Ang Diyos(Allah) ipinahayag kay Propheta Mohammad ang pangunahing utos na ito:
Qur'an 39:11-12 "Ipahayag: ako'y napag-utusang maglingkod sa Diyos ng tapat na Panalangin. At ako ay napag-utusang maging isa sa mga sumusuko ng (buong) sarili sa Diyos.

Sa tingin nyo alin ang naiiba?


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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 05:35:38 AM »
I studied Islam and the Quran in college heavily, was interested in their teachings during the class (i took 4 classes on this). Culturally and historically Islam helped unite a polytheistic and divided Arabian world. There are many tenets of Islam (the hadiths) that I admire, and find similarity in with Chistianity. One example is the muslim concept of Zakkat, which expouses to give 10% of one's earnings to the poor and needy; this is similar to the Christian concept of Tithing, which also mandates giving 10% of one's earnings to the Church.

One thing that I do not agree tho, and this is my own personal opinion, is the idea that Muhammad was a prophet of God. I believe he was a good tactician, and brilliant leader. He unified a divided and polytheistic people on the basis of Judaistic-Christian concept and applied it to the Arab setting.

Reason why I do not believe he (Muhammad) was a prophet is because of the following:

1. There can be no prophet after Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Law and the Seal of the Prophets. The Word made Flesh

2. Islam denies the divinity of Jesus Christ. Islam refers to Jesus (ISSA) as a mere prophet and do not recognize the his death on the crucifix.


I respect muslims and admire its effect on the arab world and the cultural-historical dynamic of that region of the world. But I disagree with their teachings and the core teachings on salvation.

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 05:41:28 AM »
The clear and delineating difference:

There is no concept of personal salvation in Islam. Everytime I asked this to the imams and the arab professors in college, their answer was always in reference to the Laws of Islam and in abiding in the Laws.

Islam, like Judaism, is founded on strict adherence on their Laws and living according to the Laws.

In my view, Christianity is unique because Christians have transcended the Law because Christ's coming into the world was the fulfillment of the Law, as He reminds us that living according to the Law reminds us of our sinful nature, and believing in him justifies us from sin. The psychological and spiritual dynamic of Christianity and the concept of Salvation is unique from the other 2 Abrahamic faiths (Islam and Judaism) in that only Christianity has the concept of personal Salvation in Christ.

My view lang.

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2011, 05:50:22 AM »
If you're a Christian then this strongly go against your doctrine.
It is like oil and water, liquid in form, but can never mix.
This is the same for them as well.
Your faith is your Personal choice.
 To be a believer or non believer.


I respect your choice and your decision. If one believes in the teachings of one's faith, then it is really up to that individual to make decision. This is the importance of living up to one's principles. Principles of the faith, as well as principles of standing up to one's belief and defending that belief.

I acquiesce that there are honorable traits in all religious belief systems.

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2011, 05:52:23 AM »
The messenger of Allah said: "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said: " You have spoken rightly", Jebreel (Gabriel) from Number 2 of "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths."

Brother Chris,

Are you a Muslim?

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2011, 06:45:56 AM »
One thing that I do not agree tho, and this is my own personal opinion, is the idea that Muhammad was a prophet of God. I believe he was a good tactician, and brilliant leader. He unified a divided and polytheistic people on the basis of Judaistic-Christian concept and applied it to the Arab setting.

Reason why I do not believe he (Muhammad) was a prophet is because of the following:

1. There can be no prophet after Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Law and the Seal of the Prophets. The Word made Flesh

2. Islam denies the divinity of Jesus Christ. Islam refers to Jesus (ISSA) as a mere prophet and do not recognize the his death on the crucifix.


Bran, don't you share in the person of Jesus Christ as priest, prophet and king, by vitue of your baptism? If so, then you must be a priest, prophet and king, too. And so does Mahammadd to the Muslims. (I think)


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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2011, 01:04:10 PM »
muslim man o kristiyano, isa lang ang Diyos nga ginasimba. Dili tanan kristiyano pareho, ug dili tanan muslim pareho. Si Mohammed ay propeta ng Diyos. Ang diperensya, Si Jesus Christ nagatudlo - "love your enemies, how about Islam? An eye for an eye,? Nagtrabaho ko sa middle east for a long time, ug daghan sa muslim didto ang buotan,. But I haven't met a muslim in Philippines that respects Christian way of life.And I have seen Christians respect Muslim way of life.

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2011, 01:21:37 PM »
muslim man o kristiyano, isa lang ang Diyos nga ginasimba. Dili tanan kristiyano pareho, ug dili tanan muslim pareho. Si Mohammed ay propeta ng Diyos. Ang diperensya, Si Jesus Christ nagatudlo - "love your enemies, how about Islam? An eye for an eye,? Nagtrabaho ko sa middle east for a long time, ug daghan sa muslim didto ang buotan,. But I haven't met a muslim in Philippines that respects Christian way of life.And I have seen Christians respect Muslim way of life.

Di kaha ni reflection sa atong pagka Pilipino (ma Muslim o Kristiyano, ma Tagalog o Bisaya, ma taga syudad o ma taga lungsod) duna niining "crab mentality" who live along the line of "misery loves company?" Morag motto sa 3 Musketeers nga "One for all ug all for one." Hahahaha  ;D


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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2011, 03:29:30 PM »
Sa akong ipinyon,usa ra gayud ang sinugdan pero,kon sa Judaism ang kang moises deli man tanang sakop niya nitoo ni Kristo nga muabot,
hantod paman karon wala man sila motoo ni Jesus Christ.Kadto diay pagkamatay ni Kristo sa krus,diba naa may mabasa nga,bisan pakuno sa pagkabanhaw ni Kristo,daghan pa gihapon ang wala ni too niini.kinsa man tong mga tawahana?Taga israel diba.Ang kadtong nitoo kay gisangyaw man nila ang nasaksiyan,Naa poy basa nato nga niingon ang Ginoo isangyaw sa tibook kalibutan ang nasaksihan,sa iya daw yutang natawhan sinalikway ang DIOS.Niadtong panahona nga hari sa kalibutan ang mga Romans.
Og atong pod makomparar kon mag hisgot ta og prophet,Jesus Christ og MOhammad.Makita nato nga si Jesus Christ naa tanang kaayo isip usa ka prophet.Si mohammad unsa naa niya?Naa ba diay prophet na warrior?
Ang bible is complate naa tanan diha polong sa GINOO,kon imong basahon tanan diha sa BIBLE unya imong e comparar sa Quaran layo ra kaayo.opposite kaayo,usa pa sa quaran imong mabantayan nga gi insert si mohammad imbes kay si Jesus Christ,ngano anak ba sa Ginoo SI mohammad?deli diba?,,moingon ang muslim bible daw usa raka diary sa karaang panahon maoy ilang pag too,quaran daw maoy sakto,gikan daw ni ALLAH..Ang balaang kasulatan gikan sa GINOO sinulat sa mga balaang tawo,giniyahan sa espirito santo..Pagkamatay ni mohammad modagan pa og pila ka mga tuig usa pa masulat ang Quaran,na sa ato pa deli jod gikan mohammad kadtong rang mga sumosunod niya.,
Ang uyuan daw ni mohammad usa ka paring katoliko iyang gipatay.
Kon tinood ba ang Quaran,naay makita nga orihinal nga suwat,,pero ang BIBLE naa guyd orihinal,imo daw makita sa british museum og sa Rome museum.ang mga muslim nag too nga ang GINOO ilang gisimba maoy tinood deli parehas sa mga christian.,dako kaayong sukwahi sa christian,kay Love your enemy man sa ilaha patyon mao sugo di mohammad,kinsay mosopak patyon.Gitagna man daan sa kasulatan nga moabot gyud ang higayon na matunga ang pagtoo sa kalibutan pero sa ingon ni ana deli gyud maguba og patumpag ang simbahan na iyang gitokod,Kitang tawo gisukod gyud og unsa ka lig on atong pagtoo..

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2011, 03:30:49 PM »
Brother Chris,

Are you a Muslim?

deli sir oi,,

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2011, 06:11:00 PM »
Bran, don't you share in the person of Jesus Christ as priest, prophet and king, by vitue of your baptism? If so, then you must be a priest, prophet and king, too. And so does Mahammadd to the Muslims. (I think)


I deign to add , Fr. Roel, that the Christian concept and belief of Christ's Sonship to God The Father is not necessarily shared in the Islamic belief system. More importantly, unlike Christans who regard Christ as God the Son, an integral member of the Trinitarian view of The Lord God, the muslims reject that view wholeheartedly.

In fact, it is an integral aspect within Islam to teach other muslima that Jesus Christ is Not God's Son. Muslims and the Q'uran reject the notion of Christ's divinity and saving power.

This is specifically seen in Surah 19:88-95,

"And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son. Certainly you have made an abominable assertion The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces, That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son. There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent God as a servant. Certainly He has a comprehensive knowledge of them and He has numbered them a (comprehensive) numbering. And every one of them will come to Him on the day of resurrection alone.

Islam also denies that Jesus Christ suffered, and died on the Cross for our sins. So, according to Islam, none of us are saved because Jesus Christ did not die on the Cross, which was integral for the Salvation of all sins.

This is seen in Surah 4: 157,

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.


If we follow and refer to Catholic and Christian Scripture, we cannot help but remember the verse from Matthew Chapter 10 verse 32-33,

32 So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, 33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

again, Christ reminds us that He is the way to Salvation. In Him there is salvation, outside of Him, there is nothing. Those who do not believe in Christ will die in their sins. Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ tells us this in John Chapter 8 verses 23 to  30,


23 And Jesus said unto  them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” 25 So they said to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning. 26 I have much to say about you and much to judge, but he who sent me is true, and I declare to the world what I have heard from him.” 27 They did not understand that he had been speaking to them about the Father. 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. 29 And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.” 30 As he was saying these things, many believed in him.


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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2011, 06:11:01 PM »
basta i am a proud muslim even if i practice catholicism :-)

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2011, 06:16:20 PM »
basta i am a proud muslim even if i practice catholicism :-)

Your Sulu blood is strong, Anne. :)

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2011, 06:28:13 PM »
Sa akong ipinyon,usa ra gayud ang sinugdan pero,kon sa Judaism ang kang moises deli man tanang sakop niya nitoo ni Kristo nga muabot,
hantod paman karon wala man sila motoo ni Jesus Christ.Kadto diay pagkamatay ni Kristo sa krus,diba naa may mabasa nga,bisan pakuno sa pagkabanhaw ni Kristo,daghan pa gihapon ang wala ni too niini.kinsa man tong mga tawahana?Taga israel diba.Ang kadtong nitoo kay gisangyaw man nila ang nasaksiyan,Naa poy basa nato nga niingon ang Ginoo isangyaw sa tibook kalibutan ang nasaksihan,sa iya daw yutang natawhan sinalikway ang DIOS.Niadtong panahona nga hari sa kalibutan ang mga Romans.
Og atong pod makomparar kon mag hisgot ta og prophet,Jesus Christ og MOhammad.Makita nato nga si Jesus Christ naa tanang kaayo isip usa ka prophet.Si mohammad unsa naa niya?Naa ba diay prophet na warrior?
Ang bible is complate naa tanan diha polong sa GINOO,kon imong basahon tanan diha sa BIBLE unya imong e comparar sa Quaran layo ra kaayo.opposite kaayo,usa pa sa quaran imong mabantayan nga gi insert si mohammad imbes kay si Jesus Christ,ngano anak ba sa Ginoo SI mohammad?deli diba?,,moingon ang muslim bible daw usa raka diary sa karaang panahon maoy ilang pag too,quaran daw maoy sakto,gikan daw ni ALLAH..Ang balaang kasulatan gikan sa GINOO sinulat sa mga balaang tawo,giniyahan sa espirito santo..Pagkamatay ni mohammad modagan pa og pila ka mga tuig usa pa masulat ang Quaran,na sa ato pa deli jod gikan mohammad kadtong rang mga sumosunod niya.,
Ang uyuan daw ni mohammad usa ka paring katoliko iyang gipatay.
Kon tinood ba ang Quaran,naay makita nga orihinal nga suwat,,pero ang BIBLE naa guyd orihinal,imo daw makita sa british museum og sa Rome museum.ang mga muslim nag too nga ang GINOO ilang gisimba maoy tinood deli parehas sa mga christian.,dako kaayong sukwahi sa christian,kay Love your enemy man sa ilaha patyon mao sugo di mohammad,kinsay mosopak patyon.Gitagna man daan sa kasulatan nga moabot gyud ang higayon na matunga ang pagtoo sa kalibutan pero sa ingon ni ana deli gyud maguba og patumpag ang simbahan na iyang gitokod,Kitang tawo gisukod gyud og unsa ka lig on atong pagtoo..


My friend,

Islam was spread through the sword and through forced conversion. That is the main difference. Christianity, in the beginning, was a persecuted religion and spread its influence through good works, as well as saving faith and eventually blossomed in the many communities in the ancient world.

Christianity , and Christians were persecuted and killed in the beginning. The Jews regarded the early Christians as a radical sect of Judaism and persecuted them accordingly. The Roman Empire , too, persecuted the early Christians in the form of entertainment in the Gladiatorial Games. The Roman Emperors Caligula and Nero were known for their voracious hatred for the Christians and enacted policies for their arrest and murder. It is ironic tho, that within 2 centuries, the very religion that was persecuted by the ancient Romans became the state religion of the entire Roman Empire when the Roman Emperor Constantinus Augustus converted to Christianity ; and with it enacted policies that facilitated the growth of Christian communities and the ceasure of state-supported persecution of Christian communities. By this effect, Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire.

Compare Christianity's mode of spread to that of Islam's. The latter (Islam) was spread via the sword. Muhammad, was a brilliant tactician and political leader then turned theocratic overlord. He utilized brutal military tactics to build his power base; he employed thousands of soldiers to rob, kill and hijack the caravan traders in the Arabian peninsula. This brilliant strategy led to the starving of the principalities of Medina and Mekka , which reduced their defenses. Muhammad then amassed a great army and eventually conquered the city of Medina and Mekka by force; killing and wiping out the defenders and then instituting forced conversion of the population of the two cities.

Muhammad was brilliant. He became the ultimate leader, comparable to a proto-Ayatollah or proto-Mullah. He not only was the political overlord of the Arabian peninsula but also a self-declared theocratic leader as well (as he claimed to be the prophet of Allah (ironically in the old Arabian polytheistic religion, the god Allah was a king of many gods). With Muhammad holding political, economic as well as religious authority (ABSOLUTE POWER), his will was the law.

He legitimized himself even in the SHAHADA, which states:
   lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasÅ«lu-llāh) (in Arabic)
    There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God.




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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2011, 07:39:23 PM »
And the LORD said . . . “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them . . .  Jeremiah 14:14

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2011, 07:40:40 PM »
Your prophets have seen for you False and deceptive visions; They have not uncovered your iniquity . . Lamentations 2:14

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2011, 07:53:57 PM »

Since, O Mazda, from the beginning, Thou didst create soul and body; mental power and knowledge and since Thou didst place life within the corporeal body and didst bestow to mankind the power to act, speak and guide, you wished that everyone should choose his or her own faith and path freely. --Ahunuvaiti Gatha, Yasna 31, Verse 11

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 08:05:40 PM »
masmaayo gyud atong hinoktokan kon asa diay ta dapita na butang sa atong pagtoo,deli lang kay,unsay nahimat an mao na kadto,kondeli mangutana gyud ta sa atong kaugalingon kon mao ba gyud,,,

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 08:29:37 PM »

masmaayo gyud atong hinoktokan kon asa diay ta dapita na butang sa atong pagtoo,deli lang kay,unsay nahimat an mao na kadto,kondeli mangutana gyud ta sa atong kaugalingon kon mao ba gyud,,,

Kon kinahanglan nga maglukso-lukso o magsakdap-sakdap aron lang pagpinsar kon mao ba jud--ato kining buhaton...

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2011, 11:08:23 PM »
And the LORD said . . . “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them . . .  Jeremiah 14:14
Your prophets have seen for you False and deceptive visions; They have not uncovered your iniquity . . Lamentations 2:14


Thanks for sharing these two verses, Chris. Again, even Holy Scripture forewarns us to guard and protect the faith from false teachings. As I read this thread and contemplate and internalize the discourse in here, I cannot help but remember the sermon that was given by my parish priest a couple of weeks ago. He referred to all religions and belief systems as being a "DART BOARD". He said this as a means of figurative comparison and to note that each religious faith taught and professed some aspect or part of Divine Truth.

The other religions of the world were like the outer rings of a dart board, as it held some aspect (even if it be minimal) of the Truth. Christianity was the bulls eye. He said something that I think is pertinent in sharing with everyone in here as well, "So, you all should keep your eyes on the Truth and focus on the Bulls Eye..."


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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2011, 11:16:10 PM »
Since, O Mazda, from the beginning, Thou didst create soul and body; mental power and knowledge and since Thou didst place life within the corporeal body and didst bestow to mankind the power to act, speak and guide, you wished that everyone should choose his or her own faith and path freely. --Ahunuvaiti Gatha, Yasna 31, Verse 11

Manong,

Zoroastrianism was , indeed, one of the beautiful earlier forms of Monotheism, and a religion that was uniquely indigenous to Persia (Iran), same as the Baha'i faith.

Incidentally, the number of Zoroastrians and Baha'i adherents are now very low. Many of whom leaving Iran for refugee camps in India, as well as in the Americas.

The Theocratic Government of Islamic Iran (ruled by the Ayatollahs) have enacted policies that persecute  Zoroastrians and Bahai adherents. Jews and Christians in that country are also persecuted.

I have a friend, Saheed, who was a Shia Muslim and left the country (Iran) in the late 70s after the islamic revolution rocked that country. He said to me that during the revolution, islamic radicals killed thousands of iranian-jews, iranian-christians, and iranian-zoroastrians. Many were forced to convert to Islam by the point of the gun; and many also died. My friend, Saheed, later converted to another religion many years after. He told me that he was drawn to it like a bee to honey because of "its absolute teachings of peace, and love...". For almost 20 years now he has been a practicing/devout Roman Catholic. :)



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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2011, 05:09:42 PM »
Kumusta na mga taga Bohol jan, taga Union,Dauis ko matagal nko hindi nka uwi jan sa atin pasensya na mahirap kc ang buhay jan stin e pero mahal ko ang Dauis kc jan ako isinilang e, nandito ako ng work sa K.S.A. ngayun almost 20 yrs. na for family needs syempre.. regarding jan sa topic natin kanya2 kc ang paniniwala ntin e for me i'm solid christian and it wil never change, thks to all of you guys God loves you...

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2011, 06:50:06 PM »

Welcome to Tubag Bohol, Bay Aureliano. Share your experiences naman jan sa K.S.A kc gusto din naming nalaman kung paano ang buhay jan sa Muslim country...


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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2011, 07:13:38 PM »
dito sa Saudi medyo may kahirapan kasi marami ang bawal...                                                     
1. bawal magkaroon ng ibang religion
2.bawal kausapin ang babae pag hindi mo kamag-anak
3.bawal magtipontipon lalo na pag oras ng sahla or prayer time
4.bawal uminom ng kahit anong klasing alak, kailangan mong sundin pra hindi ka "malatigo"
5.Lahat ng kainan,banko,tirahan. pati pagsakay ng bus mayron para sa mga babae o hiwalay pra sa mga ladies
5.lahat ng Arabo kailangan naka suot ng kulay puti na damit, tawag dito ay "Thob" prang sutana ng pari
6.Lahat ng babae ay kailangan naka suot naman ng kulay itim na damit, tawag dito ay "Abaya"
7.Kailangan oras ng sahla o prayer time lahat ng tindahan,banko grocery basta lahat ng negosyo sarado, kailangan mong sundin pra hndi ka malatigo
napakarami pang bawal pero magtataka ka  napakarami ding gago dto...maraming salamat po kaibigan...
just call me:dingdong you can  check my profile in FB.. just add me if ur interested  Aureliano Cilocilo  thks sa sa abala mabuhay po kayo..
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2011, 01:08:58 AM »
I think what will be the most important thing that must come to an individual mind is that what happen to your life after death. And besides both theology supports the doctrine of life after death, for muslim, martyrs get 74 virgins and christians be in heaven, etc.... And if you study the doctrines both contextual and metaphorical & dispensational time, this should give you a guidance which is which is the faith you should follow and what is more important for you. and I believe the gospel totaly make sense to me, the theological studies does not contradict to each other though it is written by several prohpets and really seems like it is coming from one source alone.

but such opinion and faith should not make us stereotype but instead be guided and enlightend on which path to follow. We all see the things going on all around the world and that should give us the picture and reflect on to our chosen path.

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2011, 01:32:47 AM »
Basa lang ko aning inyong topic, kai waa jud koi ika tampo :)

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2011, 02:18:32 AM »
Kumusta na mga taga Bohol jan, taga Union,Dauis ko matagal nko hindi nka uwi jan sa atin pasensya na mahirap kc ang buhay jan stin e pero mahal ko ang Dauis kc jan ako isinilang e, nandito ako ng work sa K.S.A. ngayun almost 20 yrs. na for family needs syempre.. regarding jan sa topic natin kanya2 kc ang paniniwala ntin e for me i'm solid christian and it wil never change, thks to all of you guys God loves you...

Kamusta Aureliano!

Maraming Salamat sa post at chaka ang intersado mo sa itong topic. At salamat sa inyong sakripisyo sa pamilya na lahat. Our province of Bohol is proud of men and women like you who go abroad to help family and support them!

Welcome to Tubag Bohol Dot Com!

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Re: Uyon mo sa Muslim?
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2011, 03:19:37 AM »
... for muslim, martyrs get 74 virgins


Mao diay ni ila pagtoo... hmmmm, morag daghang taga TB muangay ani da. Unsa man Brad Lorenz, Bay Hubs, Bay Bugs, Bay Vist, Bay Glace, Bay BQN, BNC? Morag kamo man ang mga miembro sa TOS (TB Oragonz Society)  ;D ;D


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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2011, 03:22:32 AM »
.... for muslim, martyrs get 74 virgins


Catholic theology insists that there are no marriages in heaven ;D Muangay mo aning kalakia? (LoL) ;D


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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2011, 05:46:26 AM »
Mao diay ni ila pagtoo... hmmmm, morag daghang taga TB muangay ani da. Unsa man Brad Lorenz, Bay Hubs, Bay Bugs, Bay Vist, Bay Glace, Bay BQN, BNC? Morag kamo man ang mga miembro sa TOS (TB Oragonz Society)  ;D ;D


hehehehe! kuyaw lagi ning mga muslim kai ilang paradisyo, puro ug mga physical treats ug physical enjoyments. wa jamoy spiritualisto nga reward, puro ra ug u-wag u-wag! kahibalo ka, Fr. Roel, nga sa paradise sa muslim, naay mga batang lalake para sa lalake ilang i remedyohon ug ilang i iyuton?


I was shocked to read this too when I read the Q'uran many years ago. Islam and the Q'uran is a hypocritical belief system because despite the outward condemnation of homosexuality and sexuality in general, Allah apparently tells Muhammad that Paradise will be filled with sex and physical pleasures. In other words, a whore-house.

Despite outwardly condemnation or disapproval, homosexuality was and is widely practiced in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers, Prophet Muhammad promised them pre-pubescent pear-like boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam will get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths, who are fresh like pearls.

Quran 52:24
…Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Quran 76:19
…And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.







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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2011, 05:48:41 AM »
A prominent muslim imam and poet, Abu Nawas, was also a violent crusader of the Islamic Faith. However, unbenownst to many was that he was a supporter of sodomy and pedophilia. In one poem that he wrote, he expressed this so:

O the joy of sodomy!

So now be sodomites, you Arabs.

Turn not away from it therein is wondrous pleasure.

Take some coy lad with kiss curls twisting on his temple

And ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate.

A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt not like your whore who has to go veiled.

Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best to mount them,

for women are the mounts of the devils



It is amazing that this was written by an Islamic Imam. A man of the faith and a crusader for Islam.

tsk tsk tsk.  :-\

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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2011, 05:50:08 AM »
For all muslims kono, paradise will be filled with virgins a plenty.

Quran 78:31
…As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.


My question is, what about the women? Will they also be given 72 virgins daw? lol  ::)


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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2011, 05:57:26 AM »
I think what will be the most important thing that must come to an individual mind is that what happen to your life after death. And besides both theology supports the doctrine of life after death, for muslim, martyrs get 74 virgins and christians be in heaven, etc.... And if you study the doctrines both contextual and metaphorical & dispensational time, this should give you a guidance which is which is the faith you should follow and what is more important for you. and I believe the gospel totaly make sense to me, the theological studies does not contradict to each other though it is written by several prohpets and really seems like it is coming from one source alone.

but such opinion and faith should not make us stereotype but instead be guided and enlightend on which path to follow. We all see the things going on all around the world and that should give us the picture and reflect on to our chosen path.

The beauty of the Gospel is that it coalesces and coincides with its teachings from start to finish: the Power of Saving Faith.

The beauty of the Holy Gospel is that it teaches us to expect the world to come and to practice an active faith in Christ Jesus.

We are promised , as Christians, the salvation of the soul and the overcoming of the world and all the pleasures and pains of the world.

That is the beauty, power, and incorruptibility of the Christian Faith that surmounts the rest.

"Keep your eyes on the Bull's Eye"

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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2011, 02:18:10 PM »

Mao diay ni ila pagtoo... hmmmm, morag daghang taga TB muangay ani da. Unsa man Brad Lorenz, Bay Hubs, Bay Bugs, Bay Vist, Bay Glace, Bay BQN, BNC? Morag kamo man ang mga miembro sa TOS (TB Oragonz Society)  ;D ;D

Unsa to, 74 virgins? Hmm, usa ray akoa unya akong pabatnan ang 73... ;D

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2011, 08:28:00 PM »
Unsa to, 74 virgins? Hmm, usa ray akoa unya akong pabatnan ang 73... ;D

imo nalang na virgin bai,,di matabang oi,,unsa god nang relihiyona nga,sukwahi mas gitudlo sa uban,,di maayo,,

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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2011, 08:43:08 PM »

imo nalang na virgin bai,,di matabang oi,,unsa god nang relihiyona nga,sukwahi mas gitudlo sa uban,,di maayo,,

Hmm, di kag virgin kay mas gusto kag experienced bay?

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