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Thanks Lorenzo; you have good assessment of the Obama administration. In my own understanding of how the Chinese manipulate their currency is simple. They have 2 currencies; one is the "rin min bi" which is the official money of China and the other is the "yuan" which is used for international exchange. This rin min bi currency is used inside China and does follow the international value of the dollar or the yuan.

The other issue against Obama is the tragedy in Benghazi. In my opinion Obama's actuation during the crisis violate his mandate under the constitution. His failure to defend a piece of US territory resulted in the death of 4 american personnel including the US ambassador. As CC of the US military he denied a CIA's request for military intervention in the crisis. 

The assassination of the US ambassador to Libya and 3 others and the burning of the consulate was an act of war that coincides with the anniversary of 9/11... and the Obama administration because of its policy of leading from behind accused a film maker that according to the state department caused the riot in the muslim world. The irony is the film maker was shown on TV handcuffed as if he is the culprit for the riot and murder of 4 persons connected to the US embassy in Libya for making the film.

I have not read the law but I believe it's a law preventing the criticism the concept of god, the prophet and religion. This is like appeasing one class of people and its religious practices. But if it is the law then your right to offend, insult and blaspheme the concept of god is curtailed. Now we are going back to the dark ages.   

Quote from: hubag bohol on June 12, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
The revelation of identities does not in any way fortify puny arguments.

Hiding behind an alias and hurling stupid comments is a sign of cowardice... this is why I told you my real name that in a way we can talk in a polite manner with us knowing each other. If you think my argument is easy to destroy then try it. I think you are man who doesn't use your mental faculty in a proper decorum because the last time I engaged with you in an issue you suddenly burst into anger. Are you still young? Why are you so aggressive? So, what can I expect from you but madness. Puny arguments! Hehehe.... You're a sissy to me in argumentation! That is the truth!

Quote from: hubag bohol on June 12, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
Hmm, you will stick to your ridiculous, ignorant, clueless usage? Bwahaha! If your vocabulary is that deficient, why should I venture tangling with you in the more complicated discipline of logic?

It is you who is pretentious! You can talk to me like that because you are hiding behind an alias. But the truth is; you are a coward! You are engaging me in a quarrel of words and not in the deliberation of issues. That's how illogical and stupid you are! Wake up and be a man! Ayaw si'g binayot diha Doy!

Quote from: Lorenzo on June 12, 2012, 12:14:10 PM
actually, the environmentalism seen in california was not because of obama, but because of the policies enacted by past presidents such as bush sr, clinton, and even bush jr. the total and complete blame should not be placed on obama, who actually inherited a devastated american economy.

you're right tho, isles, american overconsumerism is a pivotoral reason for the financial catastrophe of '08; one contributing factor were the sub prime mortgages on homes, the uncontrolled loaning to home-owners, as well as student loans. the problem was that there was a lack of regulation. when the economy tanked, considering how the US economy is linked with the global economy, the waves was felt worldwide.

i believe that we are learning from our mistakes ; a better fiscal policy should be enacted if the united states wishes to evade similar incidents later on. but only time will tell.

The decline of America cannot be blamed on past presidents but to the present administration of Obama. The reason is because he is a leftist president. At the start of his administration he was able to obtain from congress 8 billion stimulus money. What happened to this 8B stimulus? Part of it he made as  giveaways to the unemployed... when in the past there were only 20 million Americans looking for the food stamps today with Obama there are now 45 million Americans asking for food stamps. According to Newt Gingrich he [Obama] is the best food stamp president in American history.

The other part of the stimulus were used to subsidize his cronies making solar panels and wind turbines. These gamble in the "greening of America" went flop with Solyndra fold up shop with the loan gone. And another in California "green" plant closing shop. Who will pay for the loan they acquired? Of course the future Americans!

The Obama administration is already loaning the future of Americans to come. He is now borrowing money from China that no president ever did. The US debt at present is beyond the total GDP of America which is 16 Trillion dollars. During the campaign my political adversary in Bohol-Forum argue that America is too big to fail with its 16 Trillion GDP. 

In the case of California their bankruptcy of the state is to be blamed only to the Californians. Every American state have their own system of laws. California in the 1960's their economy is equivalent to the whole continent of Europe. Why is this state declining? In California liberalism is now mixed up with European Socialism. They are electing leaders in their state that made their state went bankrupt a long time ago. The state of California owes 15 Billion dollars to the bank and they have no idea where to get the money from because businessmen are going out of California. New York and Ohio have the same problem. Wisconsin was able to breath fresh air when they  brought back to the state capitol Scott Walker in a recall election.

This the picture of left wingers who want to takeover a capitalist government.

Panglao with its poor community will never prosper if we listen to leftist and socialist ideas. But you may ask; why the nation of Sweden, Norway, Finland, New Zealand, Australia and etc... etc...? Why? The answer is because they have a good control of their population.

Quote from: hubag bohol on June 11, 2012, 09:03:11 PM
I try not to be dragged into pedestrian thought processes but this kind of pretentious analysis makes me sick. Any tenth-rate intellectual who says "vain" instead of "bane" is a vain TB member who is a bane to this forum.   

Pretentious? Then show to me your unpretentious opinion. If you believe you are correct I'm sorry to tell you I'll stick to my usage of the word "vain". I dare you to argue with me dealing only with issues. If you are really a good english speaker com'n my friend.... don't get mad! My name is Odan Matig-a of Tagbilaran. Tell me what's yours and don't hide with an alias. The issue here is Panglao reclamation!   

Islander says:

[in 2010, yes, along with 29 other states, according to one data.  we all know the role of wall street in the world of finance.  well, wall st. isn't exactly leftist, huh?

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Reply:

Walay "role" ang wall street sa akong boot pasabot. Imo mang gikutlo "out of context" ang akong gisulti. Ug di gani wa lang jud masabti ang ahong gisuwat. Mao ni ahong gisuwat;

"This is also the reason why California, New York, Ohio and other American states are bankrupt because of the leftist union in America. Wisconsin is trying to recover through the reform programs of Gov. Scott Walker."

Kana ako nang gisuwat dugtong mahitungod sa mga leftist nga ang gusto i-bangkarote ang mga negosyo.

Ang akong boot pasabot sa akong gisuwat ug pananglitan ang California ug nganong na-bangkarote? Tungod sa sobra ng abuso sa "government union" sa ilang "entitlement" nga dili na sayon ihatag ang ilang entitlement tungod sa kataas. Niadtong nagpakanaog ang gobierno ug mga balaod aron buhisan ang mga kapitalista wa sila [kapitalista] mosugot nga taasan ang ilang buhis mao kining mga kapitalista sa California nanglayas ngadto sa Texas, Florida, South Carolina ug sa uban pang mga estado diin sila maka negosyo nga gamay ra ang bayronon sa buhis. Mao na nga na-bangkarote karon ang California.

Islander says:

[how do i know?  i passed high school biology, that's how i know.  i've also read up the pros and cons of this project sans ideological stereotypes.  unsa man diay ang mahitabo kun pananglit matuman ang reclamation project, ang manginhasay sa una mahimong hoteliers?]

Reply:

You passed HS biology? There are many in Tagbilaran who gradutated course in Commerce but right at this very moment they are driving trycicle. In the countryside they cannot be employed as accountants so they are taking over the work of their father as farmers. But most they go to the Middle East to work or as domestic helps in some other countries. The chance to progress in your own land is nil because so-so folks always tried to block development projects initiated by the the capitalists.

Islander says:

[my apologies if i wonder what your basis is for such a sweeping claim (i.e., “normally leftists all over the world always try to prevent development initiated by capitalists”).  it may not stand scrutiny because it may also mean that leftists won't prevent development initiated by other sectors other than those by capitalists.]

Reply:

That is not only a claim but it is based on leftist belief that the government is the sole mover in the management of the economy. If the private sector will participate they should be taxed to the hilt. Mura'g sharia law ning klaseha sa gobierno.

Other sectors like the academe, the church, the media and others are also influenced by the left demonizing capitalists as a vain to society. They always initiate class warfare. Try to scrutinize the Obama administration. 

Islander says:

[i shudder at the jumps to a series of conclusions here; from leftists all over the world preventing development projects to china's transformation because those leftists drove the europeans to it.]

Reply:

The style of the left disrupting economic development is true! Example in the Philippines is Carnation Milk Cannery located in Marikina before... crippled in a strike by KMU workers was bought by Alaska Milk Corporation. Through arbitration the workers at Carnation Milk were integrated by Alaska at their warehouse at San Pedro, Laguna. Since the workers were affiliated with KMU they influenced the workers of Alaska Milk and the same occurrence in Marikina where they destroyed canning machinery they also employed at Alaska Milk. These leftist workers are destructive. They are not after the protection of their jobs but the destruction of the Philippine economy. This is only an example happened in the Philippines and it is also happening in other parts of the world in other shape or form.

Islander says:

[oh, one more thing, why equate capitalism with government projects and dub those against these as leftists?  is the world that black and white?]

Reply:

Why should I equate Capitalism with government projects? When I asked; "Who are against the reclamation development of Panglao... the capitalists?" These capitalists are also part of the people and of course they are not against the development of Panglao therefore what I mean is; it's the leftist who are against the development project.

Islander says:

[china was transformed because the europeans went to it from the philippines, where they shied away from leftists?  incredible.]

Reply:

Why incredible? Are you not aware of Mattel a British company packed up their things in Bataan EPZA and tranferred them to China because the KMU were destroying their machinery? Dunlop the makers of tennis balls are gone also. Try to put this in your mind! Chinese in the 70's are all wearing Mao shirts and do not understand what is Capitalism. Now China is a capitalist country.

Islander says:

[despite china's transformation today (thanks to its “leftist” aka communist and thus anti-capitalist government, if we have to go by your definition), the Bataan Export Processing Zone (BEPZ) exists today.]

Reply:

Do not put your political mind in a rigmarole. Simply put it this way. China with a communist government is adopting a capitalist economic system. That is the transformation of China. If they have workers like the KMU China cannot transform what she is today.

Islander says: 

[[It] is located in a cove at the southern tip of the Bataan Peninsula. It is about 172.3 kilometers from Manila via the Bataan Provincial Expressway and North Luzon Expressway, Gapan-Olongapo Road and Roman Highway. It has a total land area of 153.9km² representing 12% of the total land area of Bataan. (wikipedia)]

Reply:

No comment!

Islander says:

[lastly, china, a communist country (leftist to you) fired its economy with capitalistic ventures.  by making the country an example of enviable economic development, you've just revealed that being leftist and capitalist can go hand in hand after all.]

Reply:

Yes... they are adopting the capitalist economic system but is there presence of labor unions with the ferocity of a wild animal like the KMU? Does the communist system of government allowed the organization of labor unions in the public and private sectors and have granted workers the right to strike?

Of course leftist and capitalist can go hand in hand if the left does not put politics above the country's progress. Just like America before the rise of Obama. The Social Security which was initiated by Roosevelt was a leftist agenda but it did not advocate for a change in the system. This is what Americans called Liberalism!

Islander says:   

[thus, "normally all leftists all over the world try to prevent development initiated by capitalists" it isn't.]

Reply:

Don't say it is not... because right now in front of your eyes it is happening. For example in Europe big companies are taxed for polluting the environment. Airlines entering European air space are to be taxed for polluting the air. The government of Obama is trying to pass a "Cap and Trade" laws to tax plants accross the US believed to be polluting the environment. In Australia the government passed the Carbon Tax Law. All of these is war against Capitalism.

Islander says:

[1. it does not follow that leftist ideology is involved just because some people are against certain government projects.]

Reply:

Normally leftists all over the world always try to prevent development initiated by capitalists. For example is the EPZA in Bataan. Developed in the 1970's  during the time of Marcos when the chinese people were still raising in their hands Mao's red book. The workers in Bataan were infiltrated by leftists and wanted to bankrupt the processing zone through labor strikes. The workers were told by their leftist patrons to destroy the machinery making the European investors shied away from the Philippines and went to China. And we can see the transformation of China today.

This is also the reason why California, New York, Ohio and other American states are bankrupt because of the leftist union in America. Wisconsin is trying to recover through the reform programs of Gov. Scott Walker. 

Who are against the reclamation development of Panglao... the capitalists?

And asks:

[a case in point is the church's stand against the rh bill.  does that make the church leftist?]

Reply:

In this case the church is conservative.

Islander says:

[2. the reasons given by opponents of the reclamation are there for the taking.  those environmental concerns don't need a passe political ideology to lean on.]

Reply:

Passe political ideology? Obama's program of government is the greening of America advocated by leftist ideology. He (Obama) is a leftist. He was elected president for being a community organizer. Are you not aware of that? IPCC is a powerful committee in the UN and all leftist governments all over the world agree to this IPCC. At present leftist governments want to take over the economy of the world. Global warming is their rallying cry.

Islander says:     

[3. talk of capitalism, and here we have a capitalist who sorely lacks capital for a project like this reclamation.]

Reply:

There you are! you got the point! So it is not about the environment but capitalists lacking capital. As far as I know developers of this project are from the Arab world. So they will be bringing petro dollars to Bohol. This is a bonanza but I believe there is truth to the rumor that Filipinos adopt in their way of life... the culture of envy.

Islander says:

[4.  no shallow sea water is ever unproductive.]

Reply:

How do you know? Of course that shallow water still has sea shells as production. Gusto ba lang nimo nga ang mga taga Panglao magasige na lang ug panginhas?

Islander says:

[it may not have whales and sharks, but it has planktons and other organisms that contribute to the biodiversity, and thus the very existence, of the whole environment.]

Reply:

I thought the ideology from the left is passe but here you are displaying your leftist ideology. Planktons? Are you talking about planktons? This organism are all over the oceans of the world. Try to look at the map of the world and point with your finger where Panglao is?

Quote from: renegade on June 03, 2012, 12:45:37 AM
ARE U SURE ABOUT THIS??? The developers are planning to bring the mountains of Maribojoc to Panglao.  Meaning, they are going to quarry Maribojoc and supply the panambaks for the proposed project... That was and IS the real story...

I don't know about the issue of the Panglao reclamation is pushing through but if the project will continue my opinion is; "the engineering works are not like Dubai". I saw the area planned to be reclaimed. The water is up only to your knees and the bottom level is rock and connected to the mainland Panglao. If you try to analize that part of the seashore in Panglao... it is like a wasteland. It is unproductive because it too shallow. And you don't need to destroy mountain of Maribojoc to reclaim that part of  the seashore.

Kining gikabingkilan nga pulo mao ning gitawag ug "Scarborough Shoal". Kini walay tawo gapuyo ini ug mao ni gihimong "target practice bombing" sa mga merkano sa panahon nga diha pa ang military bases dinhi sa Pinas. Dool kaayo ni sa Zambales, Bataan ning [mga] islaha. Niadtong panahona wa jud moingon ang China nga amoa ang Scarborough Shoal. Wa sila mo-angkon ug wa'y gisuwat nga record nga hing-angkon sila ining islaha.

Karon mao ni ang nahitabo! Sa nahimong propesor sa UP si Jose Maria Sison iyang gi brainwashed ang iyang mga estudyante nga dautan ang pamaagi sa pamulitika sa Amerika ug komo kay kuno "itoy" man kuno ang mga Pinoy sa Amerika hing sunod kuno ta sa dautan nga pamulitika. Busa ang iyang tudlo sa mga estudyante sa panahon sa mga tuig 1960's nga kinahanglan makakat-on ang Pilipino sa panghuna-hunang pulitikanhon ni Lenin ug ni Mao Tse Tung. Tan-awa ra gud na!

Mao na ni karon nga sa hing kat-ag sa Pinas ang gitawag ug "romanticism" sa mga bata nga wa pa masakto ang ilang panghuna-huna sa pulitika ug migakos lang sila dayon sa usa ka pagtoong pulitikanhong komunista nga wa pa mamatud-i ug sakto ba kung  itandi sa demokrasya. Ang mga bata kaniadto gimaayo ug panton ang ilang huna-huna nga kita matud pa sa mga aktibista nga dili kuno nato kontra ang Tsina. Ang kontra kuno sa Tsina mao ang Amerika ug ang mga missile sa Tsina nakati-on na kuno sa Pilipinas tungod kay ang military bases nia man kuno sa Pilipinas. Mao ni gitawag ug "scare tactic" sa mga aktibista. Pareho karon ang "scare tactic" nila karon mao nang global warming.

Tuod man tungod sa maayong brainwashing nga gihimo nila mao nga nahimong isyu nga papahawa-on nato ang US bases. Ug kalingaw nato makita ang mga demonstrasyon ug rally batok sa mga Merkano. Ambot lang kung may nasayud ba kaninyo nga mo-abot sa Pilipinas ang ubang "leftist" sa tibook kalibutan para mo-uban sa rally.

Karon nga ming hawa na US bases nag pakita na karon ang Tsina sa iyang kabangis ug gusto na mangaw-kaw ug yuta nga dili iya. Ang pangutana; saa na man ang mga tawo nga gusto mopapahawa sa US Bases? Nganong dili man sila mag rally sa tugkaran sa Chines Embassy? Dili mahimo nila tungod kay ang China maoy hing tabang nila ug padala ug armas sa mga rebelde didto sa La Union sakay sa barkong M/S Karagatan.

Numdum mo ining hitaboa? Para ni Joma Sison mas maayo pang sakop ta sa insik kay sa mga Amerkano.

WN 

"Girl in the Internet"

I met her once across my mind,
She is a beauty to behold! A girl;
Whose face is as lovely as a rose I feel.
Sweet girl please tell! A lovely star
That shines at dawn; Are you not Venus?

There is no answer or heed my call,
As if I'm talking all alone;
She's just a dream and it's unre'l,
That makes me say the way I feel;
Such thing's a vision of a fool.

But there she is this beautiful girl!
Like in my dream as she appeared...
I always call her name I swear.
And on my face she stares at me,
In flesh and bone she is so re'l,

An ideal girl in any way,
But still a dream away from me.

Standing on the sands of time,
She's now a woman of reality...
Her breadth of smile all teeth reveal,
It looks to me a lace of pearls,
A sculpted figure to behold and fear;
A masterpiece for all who care.

Her breathless charm still dwell in her,
It stays the same without no change,
Her lovely face I can't argue;
Never effaced through Time and Space,
Relive a scene 'twas in a dream...

Her charm that captivated me again.

Quote from: taga tigbao on May 02, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
I read in the Shameless Poppery blog that the Apocrypha is also called LXX.

LXX means seventy. This is refering to the Septuagint which also means 70. Seventy because Ptolemy II of Egypt commissioned 70 rabbis to translate the hebrew bible into greek.

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 02, 2012, 11:04:52 AM


These 7 books include: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel.

The 7 books above are the deuterocanonical. They are part of the catholic canon of the bible which are also included in the Septuagint. The apochrypal are hidden books of the bible or scriptures not included in the bible. Example are the gnostic bible, docetist and the early christian writings. There are characters in the church that are not found in the bible but it is written in the apochrypal books. Example are; Estas and Dimas, Saint Veronica, St. Longinus etc... The Didache is considered apochrypal.

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 02, 2012, 04:09:39 AM
If one wants to read the bible, read the Bible that was promulgated by the Council of Nicea, the Roman Catholic Bible.

Lorenzo,

The primary goal in the Council of Nicea was to proclaim the divinity of Jesus because there was a certain bishop by the name of Arius whose taught that Jesus is only a human being. Until now the divinity of Jesus is still being debated because there are cults in the Philippines that do not believe Christ as God; like the INC of Manalo, ADD of Eli Soriano [ADD does not believe Jesus is a supreme God], Witnesses of Jehovah [this sect believe that Jesus is the archangel Michael] and islam.

WN

Matabao is a barrio of Tubigon.

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 02, 2012, 05:49:28 AM
Yes, one can easily do this by reading the SEPTUAGINT.

Reply:

The word "septuagint" means seventy. The Septuagint Version was authorized by Ptolemy II to be translated by hiring 70 rabbis. "There should have been no new testament if the Septuagint Version was not written." That's the catch if anybody here will try to understand.

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 02, 2012, 04:14:39 AM
One cannot help but ask, "what authority did Martin Luther have to remove 7 books of the Holy Bible?"

Reply:

Martin Luther has no authority except taking out other books in the bible that contradict to his heretical teaching. Example is the book of 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 which is one of the bases in our teaching of purgatory. It says;

"43And making a gathering, he twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

44(For if he had not hoped that the that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

  45And because he considered that the who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

  46It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

To evade those verses above Martin Luther took out Maccabees in his new canon of the bible without authority.

WN

No... no... no... Martin Luther did not remove the Didache from the bible. The Didache  was pusposely not included in the canon of the bible. But in the case of Martin Luther when he departed from Catholicism he compiled his own canon of the bible by taking out 7 books of the original compilation namely; Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. The book of James in the NT where it is written that "faith without works is useless" was almost deleted by Martin Luther because of his hersey of bible alone doctrine.   

The Didache because this book is considered to be a book on cathecism of the early christians.

WN

The word catholic was first popularized by St. Ignatius of Antioch. He said; "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

Addendum:

The thread; "Will There Be Constitutional Crisis in the Philippines?" I think this is a wrong connotation because there had been "constitutional crisis" in the past. For example under Marcos when he prolonged his term under Martial Law. It means that after his term in 1972 he should have stepped down. Cory in like manner caused a constitutional crisis when she did not respect the result of the 1986 snap election. The diminutive president Gloria M. Arroyo committed the worst crime against the constitution when she ousted Erap and still retain the 1987 constitution. Her actuation was without regards of the law as long as Erap is out. It was purely elitism because the popular talk of the town was that "Erap is the president of the poor" therefore he should be ousted.

WN 

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on March 31, 2012, 07:57:06 AM
Sir Way Nada, what do you think of Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago? Do you agree with her actuation during the impeachment proceedings?

TB.com,

I'm sorry to say; I cannot give you definite answer to your question if you are not specifying what Sen. Merriam D. Santiago is doing. My comments here in TB is in technical form and not on the personal issues involved. TB hibaw ka di man gud ko karon tigbasa ug newspaper dugay nang panahon. Sagdi kay mobalik na pud ko ug basa ug mga mantalaan.

WN

Sakto ka TB.c! Gihimo ni Danding na global corporation ang San Miguel. Boot paliton ni Danding ang Cascade Brewery sa Tasmania pero wa madayon tungod kay nahadlok sila ni Danding nga makasud ang San Miguel diri nga mahimong competitive sa mga Australian branded beer. Ang gi offer sa gobierno ang Berri Juices nga import karon nga naa diha sa Pinas. Ako dia ko manukad sa Australia ug kanang ideya ni Danding bahin sa Cocofed kopya niya na diri sa Australia. Ang farmers diri puro miembro ug kapunungan ug gahatag ug levy sila sa kapunungan. Pananglitan Australian Dairy Product, Australian Meat Ex & Imp. Australian Wheat, Australian Wool ug uban pa. Kini mga farmers association diri wa ni bombaha sa diario. 

I agree with the SC decision that EO's 312 and 313 of Erap is unconstitutional but I cannot agree more of Cory's decision in dismantling the coconut levy management and Cocofed... because the management of the levies was legitimized by decrees signed by Marcos.  Levies contributed by coconut farmers to the Cocofed is just like union members contribution to their union. Binisay-on naho ni pagsulti aron klaro-klaro.

Karon nga nabungkag na ang Cocofed ug ang kuarta nga giingon nga kuarta sa mga coco farmers nga invested diha sa San Miguel nabawi naman sa gobierno... saa na man ning kantidad nga kuarta karon? Boot pasabot nga nalanggong lang diha sa banko kay wa na may nag manage ining kuartaha. Sa una kay ang United Coconut Planters Bank man ang investment manager ining kuartaha unja pag-abot sa gobierno ni Cory gitangtangan man nila ug otoridad ang Planters Bank kay kuno ang tag-iya si Danding Cojuangco ug gikawat lang kuno ni Danding ang kuarta. Ug gikawat napriso na unta si Danding.

Kini karong "levy funds" aron molihok ning kuartaha ibalik ang Cocofed ug ang management sa UCPB kay wa man sila'y nakita nga dautan sa pag manage ni Danding Cojuangco ug ang nakita lang mao ang pagka masinahon sa ubang tawo batok ni Danding Cojuangco.       

Kini sila mga "political activist" kunohay pero ang ilang gipakita dili ang ilang "political thinking" kun dili mao kining giingon ug "vandalism". Dis-a man nila makuha ning ilang kinaiya? Dili jud ko motoo nga gikan sa tudlo sa ilang ginikanan o sa simbahan. Kini paagi ni ug mga "leftist" ug nakuha nila ning kinaiya nila karon sa eskwelahan. Wa man pud tingali ni itudlo sa ilang propesor kundili hugot ang ahong pagtoo nga gikan ni sa mga taong komunista ang baruganan nga sud sa eskwelahan pananglitan ang UP, PUP etc, etc.

Daghan ko ug mga panglantaw ining klaseha sa mga tawo nga kini sila "brainwashed" ang pangutok nga mobatuk sa US ug mga paagi diin gitanum ang ideyang kapitalismo. Kay ngano mang dili man sila mo protesta sa China nga kita man unta ang gilupigan karon pinaagi sa pag-agaw sa mga kapuloan diha sa Spratley's? Ngano man nga adto man sila mag protesta atubangan sa US embassy batok sa balikatan nga gihimo man unta kining balikatan ug gimugna kini aron sa pag depensa sa atong nasud? Kining mga pangutanaha gitumong sa mga lideres nga naa sa walang kamot [leftists] sa pulitika kay sila man ang nangulo ining wa'y boot intawon nga mga bata nga gihimo nilang mga "vandals" sa kalye.

Daghan pa ko ug masulti pero anhi sa lang ko karon ining dapita. 

WN

"Waiting For You"

In the garden in the middle of the forest,
The moon prest by the night agreed to rest.
Shines not; amid the thick foliage deprived,
Me to you... and my eyes forced to subscribe.

Vantagely standing at the point of my mind,
I see you! In front of me and from behind.
From the command of the sky; a voice so faint,
My heart leap'd to hear you singing in the wind.

And all of a sudden the whole heaven refrained,
A choir of angels with its radiance and wings,
But me as an earthling in the thicket below;
Struggling to jump, to reach and to see you.

The stars return like the shimmering candlelights,
And the moon resists with its beam on the rise.
They are partakers in prolonging the night,
Give back its light to lead my steps aright.

In the forest, from the furor of the dark,
Alone, bedraggled and with my sanity intact,
A long time ago since that bleak December,
I held your hand again and we will part never.

 
I close my eyes, and into my sight,
I see darkness covers the light,
It whists the silence of the night.
The whistling wind, I am aware;
It's in my ear, I float on air.

I close my eyes, my thoughts on fire,
The drifting cloud takes me afar...
A picturesque world and folks so fair,
The mood I feel addling my mind;
In every sense I can't explain.

I close my eyes, a baffling scene,
This phenomenon behind my realm.
What's this for you and me to mean?
An inferior being cannot break in,
The world inside a human brain.

I close my eyes, the scene remains,
The girl long gone is here again,
As it is true the story's told,
The rainbow's end and I behold,
When she and I all bathe in gold.

I close my eyes, and off we go,
We soar'd to watch the scene below,
Over land and sky, stars at night,
Mountain tops; I touch them whole,
As Nature's in my hand all in all.

I close my eyes, to seek the land,
Which I believe where life began.
My sight is clear, my mind is bland,
Into the night it was so grand,
It was a dream; I sigh and then I cry.

I float lonely as a leaf.
Blown by the wind; swayed in air
Balanc'd in the breeze; it fell...
It reach'd the ground
And rot forever!

I fly lonely as a bird.
It soar'd the vast horizon;
Down the borderless sky,
It glid'd to the wind...
And never seen again!

I find lonely is my heart.
Sadness everywhere; it cried
And sobb'd, it is uncar'd.
It whisper'd; 'your name is Heart',
But Love is nowhere!

I feel simply as a man.
This pathless world I roamed,
It doesn't mean to me at all.
The lapidarian I met just said;
'Here lies a man, a lonely man! '

Father,

I've been listening to your compositions sometime ago but I lost your website. Naa gani imong composition na binisaya. Sa una sige ko ug balik-balik ug patalinghug. Di ba kadto to "Damgo Man Lang" ang title?

Salamat!

WN 

Where I was born looking above that solitary hill,
I stand alone; no forest growth blurring my eyes,
Of gulls and birds enjoy their freedom in the sky.
A many horizons I have seen, you with me a witness;
To the breaking of dawn and sunlight down the west,
The infinite opens its grandeur for me and us to see.
Any rascal dared not challenge of what I want to say,
My point of view, my faith in God and life with you.
At 64 there is something always grinding in my mind,
I want to say a word or two without a line to rhyme.
People would like to breach the wall along its fold
Its boundary planned parting neighbors in days of old,
Designed a stile to talk free and spend their rights;
From morn till dark they talk whole day and night.
Spend the hours in today's sophisticated talking site.
I stand alone at 64, and from atop that solitary hill;
It caught my eyes the town below that fills my soul...
With fonder memories of folks I love and friends of old.
And from afar that solitary hill I saw a world at peace,
With growth of trees I feel so sad this ghoulish place;
My friends in deep their names forever etched upon a rock,
I asked; "why bother you to think this morbid nook?"
This will give us the difference between Life and friends!

Humanon sa nako kariyut si Eli Soriano sa ijang tubag naho. Dia ko karon man gud sa blog sa mga religious. Hehehe...

Dia pa'y mga balak naho diri. Unya ra kay ahong cut and paste sa TB.

My soul is muffed as I look at you in a moonless sky,
Behind that farthest star above unreach'd by sight...
Filled my heart with deeper longing my being can endure,
You left a thought, my spirit talks with somber music
That gives me the truer meaning of life in dark of night.

The night emptied all my dreams! I lit a little star,
It shimmers in my eyes but failed to illuminate the part
You left behind. A hidden spark lights the darken path,
The old and worn out thoughts will live and in a while...
Will put together the timeless words and shattered dreams.

Again I look; you put that star above to see you smile,
Rekindling a flame frozen in time, a feeling undefiled,
With words unsaid need to be uttered; with love unseen
Ought to be sung. Away from my grasp my happiness is far,
That I'm not worthy to hold a flower or a song in my heart.

You are that beautiful flower and you are the sweetest song.
"To you as well" are words you whispered like sound of music
In my ears. And into the night I'll listen until some magic,
Enchant my soul with flowers, with songs and bottled wine.
And here's to you and to all ethereal beauties of the sky.

I look at you again and I realize that it's been a long time,
Since I was drinking wine with you in a garden with friends...
And singing songs under your roof. You called me by my name,
You sheltered me from the rain; But now the time has changed,
I walk on soddy path that soils not my senses. Stil is the same!

There is nothing meant from a dreamer.
Echoes of the past; annoying and pestering!
Intended not to put you awkwardly,
Words spoken in my inner being, my thoughts are...
Time-less words coming out not so easily.

Beat up Time and Love is dead!

There is nothing meant from a dreamer.
Echoes of the past; annoying and pestering!
Intended not to put you awkwardly,
Words spoken in my inner being, my thoughts are...
Time-less words coming out not so easily.

Beat up Time and Love is dead!

The function of an impeachment court is not to convict but to inquire if there is any culpable violation of the constitituion of the one to be impeached. This impeachment court now is different to the one during Erap's impeachment proceedings where it was projected by media as a criminal court out to convict Erap.

Ahong pasabot nga kung bato ning lugara nga i-reclaim di dili gyud ni mo-unlod. Kaning pung nga "sinking islands" sa pasipiko o asa pang dapita sa kalibutan gigamit ni sa mga "environmental alarmist" para hadlokon ang katawhan. Usa lang ka pananglitan naho nga kana si Ric Obedencio nga usa ka manunulat sa usa sa mga mantalaan sa Bohol; ijang gibalita nga ang duha ka isla sa Talibon... kalituban ug Guindakpan maunlod kuno tungod sa global warming. Kinsa man ang iyang gihadlok kundi kitang mga Bol-anon. Mao ni sila dad-on ka ug hadlok para motoo ka sa ilang issue sa environment.

WN

Quote from: chicogon on December 09, 2011, 08:09:11 AM
Nalingaw sad kog basa sa imong gesuwat kabahin sa "classification" sa Panglao as "atoll." I've read so much about atoll sa mga isla didto sa South Pacific (National Geographic) apan wa jod koy kalibutan unsa ning atoll. Kana ra jong kinuhitan sa TOJOM ug SWAKI akong nahibaw-an labi kung "mokatol" hehehe. Bato diay pasabot ana? Ug since bato kini, walay pulos.

Unya WN, unsa man say imong ikasulti sa epekto ani kung ila man ganing e-reclaim: di ba diay ma apektuhan ang habitat sa mga molupyo sa ilawom sa dagat sama sa mga isda, syokoy, mermaid (mga amiga ni Bay Hubs), sea turtles, dolphin, bongkaras (whales) nga nagpahimulos sa dagatnong-pagkaon? Di ba ang coral reefs importante sa sustenance of marine life? What's your take on it?

Chicogon... naka-anha ko ining lugara. Ug naay reclamation ining lugara dili ma-apektuhan ang habitat kay kini laging lugara taga kiting ra lage ang giladmon sa tubig. Ug motaob kutob tuhod ang tubig. Wa'y dagkong isda nga mo-anhi ining lugara ug naa man galing kadtong isda sa mabaw nga dagat ang naa. Maayo gud unta nga ma-reclaim ang question karong panahona nga naa nay mga aktibista sa nga nakasud na sa atong gobierno ug mao na sila ang mobabag ug progress sa nasud. Dili lang sa Pilipinas kun dili sa tibook kalibutan mao ni sila ang mobabag.

WN   

Kini untang Panglao reclamation mahimo unta ning holiday destination sa mga "rich and famous" sa Europe ug America kay mahal na kaayo ang ilang lugar. Ang expectation naho ini nga naay mga hotels and casinos diin ug didto ibu-bu ang ilang katigayonan. Tan-awa nang "Macao Island developed by the Purtuguese into a holiday destination" di ba lupig ang Pilipino sa standard of living. Pero sa aho lang nahinumduman sa una mga 1950's kining mga Macao gapuyo lang sa "junk". Boot pasabot nga mga "boat people" ni sila apil na ang mga Hongkong Chinese. Pero karon kita na ang maid ug boy nila sa Hongkong. Hahaha!!! Makatawa lang ining pagka butanga.

WN   

Dia pa'y dugang nga info. Kining Dubai Island expected na nga mag-move mao bitaw na nga naay bukid sa Dubai nga gi-quarry nila ang bato. Ang mag-move kadtong mga gi-abuno nila sa ibabaw pero kadtong bas nga tua sa ilawom dili na to mag move kay compact na to.

Sa Panglao dili mahitabo nga mag-move kay bato ug mabaw ra ang tubig nga abunohan ug yuta. Swerte ang Bohol pero ug mo-entra na ang leftist idea nga anti capitalism mao nay ikamatay sa reclamation project.


WN

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on January 22, 2011, 08:28:47 AM
mangutana lang unta ko...unsa mai similarity sa Panglao Island ug Dubai Island?

Tubag:

Ang similarity nila nga reclaim gikan sa dagat. Pero ang Dubai Island pag-construct ana gibungkag nila ang bato sa bukid para maoy himoong pundasyon sa "man made island" kay ang dagat sa Dubai diin didto himoon ang "reclamation" puro sand ang ilawom. Boot pasabot naho nga ang isla gi-alirungan ug mga dagkong bato para dili modagay-day sa kilid ang mga yuta nga maoy gitambak sa isla. Kung modagay-day man gamay na lang ug dali rang masulbad ang problema.

Ang Panglao reclamation lain sa sitwasyon sa Dubai. Ngano man? Tungod kay ang Panglao usa ka isla nga kung tawgon sa iningles ma-classify nga "atoll". Ang atoll usa ka islang bato nga ming-tubo gikan sa ilawom sa dagat tungod sa "volcanic erruption". Ang Dubai bas ang Panglao bato! Mao nay deferencia! Kanang plano nga lugar nga i-reclaim usa ka lugar nga way pus kay puro na bato ug dili lawom ang dagat diha. Taga kiting lang nga ug motaob dili na moabot sa imong tuhod ang giladmon sa tubig. Dili pud mataak ug tawo kay daghang tujom. Karon mao ni nga kining lugara maayo ug nagrasyahan ang Panglao nga naay gaplano ug reclaim kay maayo para sa ikahamugaway sa mga tao nga Bol-anon. Para ang mga taga Panglao dili na molangyaw nga mahimong maid, japayuke o contract worker ba hinoon. Dili na magbuwag-buwag ang pamilya tungod sa kawad-on sa panginabuhi.

WN 

I think there's is no progress to a people that says no to development. By junking the Panglao reclamation project Boholanos will be forced to be contented of being a contract worker in foreign lands and slaves to develop governments in the world.

WN

[When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ.]

Reply: Who are these Jews St. Paul refering to? He meant here that he was living with Jews who do not follow the Jewish law. This Jews I think are the essenes because essenes do not follow the mosaic law.

[When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.]

Reply: These verses are understandable as the Jews who follow the mosaic law.

Quote from: Lorenzo on August 16, 2011, 12:30:14 AM
In my honest and humble view, Sir, when it is mentioned in Genesis 1:27 that God created man in His own image, Genesis refers to the creation of Adam. Adam was the prototype so to say, the progenitor of the Family of Man. Woman comes from Man, if we refer to the Christian declaration in how Woman came to be. Eve was part of Adam. Genesis 2 reiterates the same message that God created man and woman from His own image.

Since God made Adam out of His own image, and since Eve was created from Adam, then Even shares the relation to God.

Lorenzo,

But is Gen. 1:27 some kind of a contradiction? Because God said; he created them male and female. The verse is categorical.

John 10:16 says...

[And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.]

Reply:

This "other sheep" mentioned in this verse are the Jews. Jesus is a Jew and he wanted to bring the house of Israel in his Church. But the Jews don't believe in Jesus. But once he will hear his voice then there will be one fold and one shepherd.

Addendum:

[The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world!]

Reply:

This quote is from John the Baptist who do not believe in the sacrifice in the temple. The Jews believe that when a man sinned he is commanded in the mosaic law to make an animal [preferably a lamb] sacrifice in the temple  to take away his sins. In Christianity Jesus sacrifice on the cross took away all sins of the world and ended all sacrifices in the temple.

Quote from: Lorenzo on August 11, 2011, 03:46:37 PM
"So The Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, He took one of the man's ribs [also translated took part of the man's side] and closed up the place with flesh. Then The Lord God made a woman from the rib He had taken out of the man, and He brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."

    -Genesis 2:21-24

But before Eve was created God already made humans in his own image. In Genesis 1:27 you can read; So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Quote from: hubag bohol on May 29, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
The fact that “Marcos did not murder 6 million Jews” and that “two hundred new breed of legislators voted to let Marcos be buried in the LNMB” does not make Marcos any less of a megalomaniac and a criminal.

You admitted that he is not comparable to Himmler and Hitler. The idea that he is a megalomaniac and a criminal I believe cannot be erased from your mind; which is why I said that after us a new generation of Filipinos will come free from the blemishes of hatred, prejudice, calumny, envy and vengeance... and the time of healing will begin. Thanks for engaging you in this discussion.

WN
   

Quote from: islander on May 29, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
so did hitler have followers and supporters.  and they were not idiots.

So Ramos, Enrile and the whole military establishment once followed a leader who was an idiot. Ninety nine percent of the laws decreed by Marcos are still in effect until today. Marcos is long gone in Philippine politics but his laws and legacies linger on.

WN

"President Marcos was a leader of phenomenal global vision. He dreamed of greatness and relentlessly pursued its realization. He was a man ahead of his time. Perhaps this is the reason he was often misunderstood and unappreciated at that time. He will be remembered as the greatest Filipino law-giver after the winds of hatred and vengeance shall have flown away."

The statements above was quoted by Atty. Lolong Lazaro and he has an opinion about Marcos as a "dreamer of greatness". You also opined about Marcos a "dreamer" but because of hatred you are making him a megalomaniac deluded with fantasies of power, wealth and omnipotence.

I have dreams and you have dreams... we are all dreamers in this world because without dreams there is no idealism.

Others stumble and fail but Marcos did not... as Atty. Lolong Lazaro said; "Marcos dreamed and relentlessly pursued its realization." As a young soldier he received the most coveted Philippine Medal of Valor. Generals MacArthur and Wainwright were not stupid to award medals to a megalomaniac. Apart from being a soldier he turned politician and became a congressman, senator and eventually the president of the Philippines.

Comparing Marcos to Himmler or Hitler? You are being too dishonest to yourself because you know and we know that Marcos did not murder 6 million Jews. After WW-2 an international court was created to try those who committed crimes against humanity. He should have been tried in the Hague but he was not because I believe your opinion is only a product of your imagination. Dream on... without dreams there is no idealism.

As time goes by so also its healing period. I know Marcos will be vindicated by history. Two hundred new breed of legislators voted to let Marcos be buried in the LNMB but twenty or thirty years from now another set of generation will come to replace us free from the blemishes of hatred, prejudice, calumny, envy and vengeance... and will look at Marcos with honor and dignity. All the indignities befallen to his name will have to come to pass. He will be remembered kindly.

WN
 

Quote from: hubag bohol on May 29, 2011, 09:23:23 AM
Marcos reminds me of other megalomaniacs and criminals, but just now I’m struck with the thought that in many ways he resembled Heinrich Himmler, the chief architect of the Holocaust. Himmler, whom many commentators consider as a more evil man than even his boss Adolf Hitler (whom Marcos also reminds me of, needless to say), was reportedly genuinely shocked when he was treated as a war criminal upon his capture. Marcos’ delusion that he was a hero (a psychotic belief apparently still shared by a chosen few) is akin to Himmler’s view of himself as an honorable gentleman soldier.

Spurned by his own people whom he oppressed to feed his vanity, Marcos in the end took solace in the desolate sanctum of his perverted mind, living up (heroically, I may have to admit) to his grandiloquent pronouncement that “Leadership is the other side of the coin of loneliness, and he who is a leader must always act alone. And acting alone, accept everything alone.” Sadly, by then the only beings he led were all in his head, the deformed creatures of Philippine lower mythology with whom, when all is said and done, he is destined to find congenial company.

Marcos reminds you of other "megalomaniacs"? Let me see what is the meaning of that word. Now here is what I found. There are two definitions of the word "megalomaniac".

1. A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.

2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or
actions.

I think the two definitions if I'm not mistaken "in your mind" will fit to the personality of Marcos. I'll take issue with the first meaning because it deals with wealth and power. I think these are the issues always attributed to Marcos.

So Marcos is a psychopath and because his personality is characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence... so it is true that; he amassed wealth by robbing the coffer of the government worth 20B dollars. And you believe that. This amount he robbed is more than the total debt of the Philippines to the WB/IMF which was only 18B dollars during his presidency. Aside from robbing the government coffer he got rich also with his discovery of the treasure of Yamashita. Am I correct? The third aspect is omnipotence; I want to bargain this with you. Please don't believe if Marcos thought that he is omnipotent because this is only attributed to God. Hehehe...

Granting for the sake of argument that he is a megalomaniac. Does it not bother you that for almost 22 years the Filipino people is being led by a megalomaniac. All those who were under him you believe as not as stupid as he is followed and supported him [a megalomaniac] and who in their own rights became also leaders and senators of the republic like Ramos and Erap who became our president; Enrile, Biazon, Angara, Golez and many more... they are Marcos people who became  senators of the republic.

"Worth going according to Atty. Lolong Lazaro... is the fact that from Sept. 21, 1972 up to Feb. 26, 1986, or in a span of 14 years, President Ferdinand E. Marcos had crafted and formulated, with the assistance of experts, 7,883 Presidential Decrees and other legal issuances covering almost every phase of human life or conduct â€" from birth to the grave, so to speak. The presidential legal issuances are categorized as follows:

a) Presidential Decrees (1 to 2036)

b) Letters of Instruction (1 to 1525)

c) Letters of Implementation (1 to 157)

d) General Orders (1 to 61)

e) Executive Orders (366 to 1093)

f) Administrative Orders (349 to 504)

g) Proclamation (1081 to 2486)

h) Memo Circulars (599 to 1297)

These legal issuances were designed not only for the yesteryears, but also for today and tomorrow, touching everyone. Gifted with legal acumen, President Marcos adorned his legal issuances with wisdom and justice, embellished with compassion and concern for the people’s welfare. His issuances are exclusive of the hundreds of laws that he authored and/or sponsored as congressman and senator for almost two decades." [To be continued]

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 29, 2011, 01:24:11 AM
I doubt the British would have engaged the Philippines in such a case, Sir Way Nada, considering that the United States and the Philippines are bilateral major Non-Nato Strategic allies. And considering the United States had a military presence in Olangapo , Subic Bay , Clark and other minor stations.

The state of Malaysia is an invention. Such a state never existed in history. Not to mention how Peninsular Malaysia is linguistically different from eastern Malaysia. The state of Sabah, which is located in the northeastern region of eastern Malaysia, is lingustically and culturally closer to the Philippines than the peninsular Malaysians.

The people of Sabah are ethnically and linguistically identitical to that of the people from Jolo.

In fact, Sabah was part of the Sulu Sultanate for hundreds of years. The Sultan of Sulu and Sultan of Brunei were both blood brothers and in many battles , it was the Sultan of Sulu who used to rescue the Sultan of Brunei's forces.

The languages spoken in Sabah and Sarawak is closer to BINISAYA than it is to the foreign dialect of Bahasa Malay spoken in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta.

Lorenzo.

I think the presence of warships in the sea of Palawan during the crisis created by Ninoy Aquino was only in a defensive posture by the British commonwealth allies in case there is military infiltration by the Filipinos.

You can call it an invention but Malaysia is a name taken from Malaya, which composed all of the Malay kingdoms just like the Philippines before the coming of the Spaniards. It refers to the people who are called Malay... not the place. Before we were called Filipinos we were Malay first. The Malay people including the Filipinos and Indonesians distinguish themselves from the people of China, Burma, Laos, Thailand and Vietnam.

Borneo is a Malay kingdom under the sultan of Brunei. When the British occupied the northern part, they called it North Borneo. The new government of Malaysia changed it to Sabah.

There is no disagreement that Sabah or North Borneo belongs to the Philippines but my point is; Ninoy Aquino scuttled the plan to win back North Borneo. The reason that he was opposed to Marcos doesn't mean that he should also announced to the whole world that Marcos is planning to invade Malaysia.

And irony of all ironies is that; he became a hero and Marcos is not.

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 28, 2011, 07:09:52 AM
The Malaysians have the Gurkhas to thank as these special forces troops were deployed by the British Army as well as by the newly formed Malaysian Armed Forces during the brief Konfrontasi War. The Gurkhas were brutally effective against Sukarno's Indonesian Paramilitary Troops. Brunei employs thousands of them to this day.

In regards to state of the Philippine Air Force, there is no excuse for its condition. It is simple governmental failure to upgrade the military effectively. How is it that Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia have air supremacy fighters whilst the Philippines does not?

The British sent the Gurkha's to train the Malaysian military when in 1968 a young senator by the name of Ninoy Aquino betrayed the Filipino people by divulging sensitive information involving Muslim recruits trained by the military to infiltrate North Borneo. Ninoy Aquino in a privilege speech accused his own government of conpiracy to wreck havoc on Sabah. The British sent special forces to Sabah and trained the Malaysians in counter insurgency warfare... and even sent a flotilla of warship in the sea of Palawan to confront any Filipino infiltrator.

What was ironic of Ninoy's expose was that there was no "massacre" of muslim recruits in Corregidor.

WN
 

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on May 28, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
Ang PAL pilots usa sa mga maayong laki nga mga piloto sa tibook kalibutan. Ang atong army usa sa gisaligan sa UN Peace Force kung asa ang mga nasud nga gubot.


I agree, nga ang atong mga pilot sa PAL is one of the best...Lami kaayo ang ilang LANDING kumpara sa uban nahong naskayan nga Airline...


Sir WN, dili kaha tungod kai BARATO ang bayad sa atong peacekeeping force? maong permi ta apil sa UN?

Lorenzo and bqn:

Mao lagi sa una ra tungod kay wa na intawon ipalit ug eroplano pang gira. Kanang PAL dihay nahitabo ana nga gibombahan ug terorista ang PAL flight paingon Japan pero na landing gihapon sa piloto ang eroplano bisan ug nawad-an na ug hydraulic ang system. Didto pud sa Australia nag-landing ang PAL nga usa ra ka "set of landing gears" ang gigamit. Kay ang nahitabo pag take off sa PAL gikan sa MIA nag explode ang mga ligid pero gi deretso gihapon sa piloto ang biyahe paingon sa Sydney kay matud pa kuno nga sa oras sa "emergency" o peligro maayo ug himan ang airport sa Australia kay sa Manila.


Usa pud nang barato ang bayad sa peace-keeping force. Pero naa pa man puy barato nato pareho anang mga nasud sa Africa. Ang Malaysia karon ra pud na mo-entra nga na-maayo na ug pagka manso ang ilang army sa mga Gurkha Fighters.

WN

Lorenzo and bqn:

Sa akong nahibaw-an sa mga Pinoy dili ta kabsan ug mga maayong laki. Brain drain pa man gani. Ang atong navy, air force ug army... ug naa lang untay gamit nga maayo dili ta malupigan sa mga insik.

Kini huna-hunaa nga sa una sa pagkahuman sa gira kita dinhi sa Asya gitahud ang Pinas nga gamhanan. Kaila ba mo ug unsa ang "Blue Diamonds"? Mao na ang counterpart sa Blue Angels sa US Navy. Ang atong BD mas nauna pa anang aerobatic nga abilidad sa Blue Angels pero karon tungod kay wa na man tay fighter nga maayo kalit na lang nga nawa ang Blue Diamonds.

Ang PAL pilots usa sa mga maayong laki nga mga piloto sa tibook kalibutan. Ang atong army usa sa gisaligan sa UN Peace Force kung asa ang mga nasud nga gubot.  

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 13, 2011, 03:22:21 AM
My father used to tell me of the projects that Marcos implemented in Bohol. For the first time kono, Bohol had electricity , prior to Marcos it was not so, after Marcos it was. The infrastructural projects during Marcos' time spearheaded the development of Bohol Province. A good friend of our family-- the former Gov. Chatto and Torralba used to talk to my paternal grandfather about the situations in Bohol. At the time these said men were supporters of Marcos.

There were some positives he gave to the province as well as negatives.

Lorenzo,

Your father was right... because Marcos was a dictator he commanded; let there be light! And NEA was formed and there was light all over the Philippines. Hehehe....

Kidding aside... Bohol during the time of Pres. Garcia built the Tontonan Hydro Electric Plant but the power is too low that it was supported by a generator installed in Dampas. The power of Tontonan can not generate power all over Bohol.

Really the truth is; the development of our country culminated at the start of Martial Law. And the main thrust of Marcos was to industrialize our country. To achieve this is to develop sustainable power for industrialization. So NEA was formed. Infrastructure in our country was in a faster pace of development through Marcos rule by decree... whereas before Martial Law enabling laws were marred in endless debate in congress.

When Marcos visited Bohol after he declared Martial Law he asked all the town mayors that were gathered at the Garcia Stadium listening to  his speech. Marcos asked; "what road in Bohol is not passable?" One mayor from the eastern part of the province raised his hands and said that a part of the road going to his town is not passable. Marcos again asked; "who is the district engineer?" The mayor answered; Engr. Modesto Butalid Mr. President. On that very moment Engr. Modesto Butalid was fetched in his house to answer Marcos why that road is not passable.

That was Marcos!

But today when Garci or Lacson is summoned to face the court they cannot be found because they're hiding. Angelo Reyes went to the extreme of taking his own life just to evade to answer questions from congress. Hehehe....

WN

Quote from: chicogon on May 13, 2011, 11:30:43 AM
Produkto jud siguro diay kas 1950's nga mga brayt sama nila Nene Borja, Nick Lungay, Bradd Pitt Lungay ug uban pa sa Bohol High (or Bolhi ba?)... maski sa ilang panahon puros mga himasa ug anad mo-maningles.

Thanks for reminding me of Monet kay nakalimot najod kos kadugay sa panahon ug kining nag edaran na. Siya man tong pulis no? Kadtos Iko nuon di jud ko makalimot; he was my basketball idol in the late 60s and early 70s.  When I went to play senior varsity basketball referee na lang tawon tos IKo kay nag edaran naman.

Kadto si Monet bombero to sija. Si Iko gibantug sa basketball. Sa tinood lang kadtong style niya moduwa iya ra jud to. Maski sa PBA wa'y pareho niya ug style.

WN

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on May 13, 2011, 11:17:30 AM
Sir Way Nada, silingan mi ni Monet sa Tagbilaran ug akong teacher ang iyang asawa. How about Erol? su-od ba pod mo? Peace!

Si Monet patay na pud intawon ni sija. Ang iyang asawa si Bebe tua ni sa amerika karon. Ang bay ni Monet naa sa Cogon ug atbang sa bay ni Gov. Aumentado. Si Errol ako pud nang ig-agaw.

WN

Quote from: chicogon on May 13, 2011, 12:51:40 AM
I read somewhere that you're a Matig-a... and yes, I know Tiya Pia (one of my favorite lolas as a kid). Mohapit jud mi sa ilaha kung makalugsong sa syudad gikan sa lungsod and I used to enjoy the street where they lived kay ambugon kaayo (now Matig-a Street). Are we related WN? Basin pod diay like BNC (another Alay-Ano) 

P.S. Lolo Ayong was a staunch Marcos-supporter as well as the rest of the family. I acted as the devil's advocate who truly was the devil's advocate (then and now I guess), bwahahaha 

Wa tay relasyon pero dool ko sa mga Lungay tungod ni Tia Sophia. Panahon sa pista sa Balilihan mamista ko sa una uban nila ni Monet ug Iko. Katapusang anha nako sa Balilihan gida ko ni Emay ug Conchita [puro na intawon hinglalin] didto ila ka Nimia.

Sakto ka, ambugon tong ilaha ug Matig-a St. na karon na. Manghud ka kaayo nako. Talirungan nako si Grace. Si Dodong ug si Boy dugay na nako tong wa ikita. Sakto pud ka nga imong lolo Ayong pro Marcos kaayo ug gi zero si Macapagal ni Marcos sa Balilihan niadtong election sa 1965. Si imong lolo Ayong ang gidudahan nga nag maniobra.

WN

Quote from: chicogon on May 12, 2011, 09:53:08 AM
Sakit na akong tiil ug nilingkod ug binasa sa kaguliyang sa inyong mga salabutan mahitungod ni Ka Ferdi (dili si BQN ha). So far so good, I'm on page 30 na (sukad pagsugod sa kabanata). For the meantime let me put in my .5 cent sa lang...

Oh I bow down in worship (panata only) to the godliness of this wrath 

To WN:
You really make me think and put sense (really!) to a lot of misunderstanding I have about the most hated man I've ever known that catapulted me to reckless abandon as a young 20 year old painting a whole town red in Laguna with KMs, sitting-ins with beautiful "kolehiyalas" of St. Scholastica listening to political maneuvers of the 80s, living with farmers who double-job as NPAs in Samal, Bataan, learning the trick and trade of herbal medicine and acapuncture with leftist guerillas in the Cavite Resettlement Areas, organizing a whole sector of church-people throughout the Southern Tagalog region as a seminarian and later on the whole of Central Luzon and part of the North as a young priest. Wew! Did I do all that? And in the midst of all that, I was given "full protection" by the now-defunct Philippine Constabulary of Imus, Cavite by order of its superior who is a paisano from Corella, Bohol (Col. Zosimo Angan... kaila pa siguro si Sir FD ani) who happened to be my dad's classmate at Bohol High in the 50's. All he said to me then was, "Doy, unya na pag sukol-sukol sa gobierno kung mahuman nakag eskwela... kay mao ra ba nay rason nganong nia ka dire sa Tagaytay, dili ang pag rebelde." Believe me when I say, at that age, I did almost everything without thinking and/or reflecting the consequence of what I was doing... I was a "tira-pasagad" kind of guy who thought was full-of-conviction, but one who still found time to sing in some folk-houses of Manila kung makalugsong intawon sa syudad. 

And this is my story kabahin sa Martial Law.

Are you Fr. Lungay who composed songs for the SPOT? If so... you are the nephew of my late Tia Sophia of Balilihan. How are you related to Arn Lungay?

WN

Quote"LAWFUL," HOLDER SAYS

Attorney General Eric Holder, the country's top law enforcement officer, told a U.S. Senate committee on Wednesday that the operation was legal.

"He was the head of al Qaeda, an organization that had conducted the attacks of September the 11th," Holder said. "It's lawful to target an enemy commander in the field. We did so, for instance, with regard to Yamamoto in World War Two, when he was shot down in an airplane."

The opinion of Eric Holder above is contradictory when he told a U.S. Senate committee that the Navy Seals operation was legal but wants to indict a crime of violation of human rights against CIA agents who planned the Navy Seals operations.

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 11, 2011, 05:40:14 PM
Way Nada,

Quite an interesting parallel you make between the French Revolution and the Toppling of Marcos.

Excellent performance, sir. As always, its always interesting to hear the point of view of the other side.

The phrase; "The Philippines is composed of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch"... was never spoken by an American official. It started as a political intrigue at "Taza de Oro" and printed in the anti Marcos newspapers to manipulate public opinion.

This is what happened in the Philippine media today; "when they say it's the voice of the people"... always expect that it is only the opinion of the writer using the "people" to commit a lie.

The phrase; "let them eat cake"... allegedly spoken by Marie Antoinette is also bogus. It is printed in the Parisienne Gazette during the French revolution to manipulate public opinion. Marie Antoinette was executed by the mob not because of a political crime but she was accused of incest; a common crime.

There are some kind of parallels between the French revolution and the mob that toppled Marcos. The French revolution stormed the Bastille only to find out that there were only eight prisoners convicted of common crimes. They did not find any political prisoner in the Bastille. Malacanang also was stormed by the mob to look for the fabled $20 billion dollars but there was none.

WN

Quote from: hofelina on May 03, 2011, 03:45:58 AM
victory for America, justice prevails!

I agree with you. Justice prevails through the barrel of a gun. This kind of justice is not through the due process where we are presumed innocent in a court of law. UBL meted the kind of justice in Martial Law.

WN

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 10, 2011, 11:59:51 PM
i was only 1 years old when he was overthrown by People's Power, i have no memory of him, but only through political papers that i read some time ago. i must say tho, he was one daring SOB for canceling habeus corpus. This SOB had guts.

this reminds me of a comment US Sec. of State George Schultz one said about Marcos, "The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch."

Lorenzo,

The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was a situation created by the communists. The bombing of the Liberal Party  rally at Plaza Miranda was done by the communists/NPA of which Ninoy Aquino's name was riped in the grapevine as one of the suspected plotters. In 1972 another incident happened in the landing of arms from China intended for the communist rebels in the Philippines. This was another evidence of an open rebellion by the communists in our country that gave his government the move to declare Martial Law. The declaration of Martial Law was one brilliant move by Marcos.

The phrase; "The Philippines is composed of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch" is purportedly spoken by an American official. It started at "Taza de Oro" and saw print in the papers after Marcos loosened the grip on freedom of the press.

The phrase was never spoken!

It just the same during the French revolution as claimed that when Marie Antoinette was told that; "the peasants have no more bread"... she answered; "let them eat cake." This is not true and was never uttered by Marie Antoinette.

WN

Quote from: islander on May 10, 2011, 04:23:45 PM
tip your beard too, as you sit in judgment over mere mortals.

You are out of topic. Hehehe...

WN

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on May 10, 2011, 07:26:55 AM
SAY WHAT? LAYO RA KAAYO'S TINO-OD NING IMONG REASONING!!!

Nganong layo ra man sa tinood ang akong rason. Unsa may imong rason nga matawag nga tinood?

WN

islander quoted:

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i'm persistent and you are not?

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Yes you are persistent... The truth is; "Marcos was awarded medals during WW-II". The 2 generals of the US Army MacArthur and Wainwright awarded Marcos those medals and they were representing the US government. Marcos medals are in the custody of the AFP museum and his war records are in the US military archives.

The statements above is where I based my reasoning. If you are still persistent that my reasoning is without bases... then you must go to the US and the Philippine governments to verify since they are in the best position to know the truth about the medals of Marcos and not Bonifacio Gillego or the opinion of Jarius Bondoc.  

According to the curator/custodian of the Marcos medals Gen. Restituto Aguilar; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”.

islander quoted:

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discussions such as what we have in this forum encourage us to learn more, through shared opinions and proper research and cross-references, with a certain detachment from one's emotional leanings and personal loyalties, so we can make informed conclusions.  had you not mentioned that i or anyone who has an opposing view to yours should go to that afp museum consultant with the evidence that the medals are fake (what a non-sequitur!) or had you not insisted that there was no election cheating, i might have held on to some hope that there's some shred of intellect left in you.

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I agree but let us not go somewhere to the height of obstinacy just to insist a baseless and unfounded opinion. Why? Because Gillego's opinion is based on the opinion of other people like Lt. Manriquez. He [Gillego] tried to access the US achives but he was not permitted. How can we believe him? From Gillego's opinion it was copied by Jarius Bondoc and other opinion writers in the newspapers. All together your opinion is based on the newspapers. Marcos medals are in the court of public opinion so many times. This is trial by publicity against a dead man.  

I have no emotional leanings and I have no brothers or sisters who were detained during Martial Law. My opposition to Marcos at the advent of Martial Law is simply political. I was there at the MIA when Ninoy Aquino arrived from the US.

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on May 06, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
hahaha, probinsya & countryside? pareha ra ang ilang gibati ni MALCOS adtong panahuna. SUBRA NA, TAMA NA! You know a LOT of things about MALCOS, but some of them is FULL of GAS

Dili pareho. Ngano man? Tungod kay ang mga tawo nga napungot kaayo ni Marcos kadto ra mang magasigi ug basa ug opposition newspaper. Hibaw ba ka kung pila ra ka libo ang circulasyon sa newspaper sa panahon ni Marcos? 2,000 mil lang. Kay uban dili na layhan kay puro pabor man ni Marcos ang balita. Nan karon ug moingon ta nga mag-eleksyon modaug jud si Marcos kay iya man ang gamhanan nga "political machinery" sa tibook Pilipinas ug siya ra ang nailhan.

WN

QuoteSo you expect the dictator to conduct a clean and honest election to find out whether or not the people he is oppressing would want to throw him out? You expect him to honor the voice of the people? Or ar you saying that the people have no recourse at all and therefore will just have to accept their misfortune and stoically wait for the oppressor to die?

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Let me say this... there's no need for Marcos to cheat in an election. Nobody can defeat him because he had a complete political machinery. You must also distinguish who the people felt being oppressed by Martial Law. There are only a few. They are businessmen who are antagonistic to Marcos laws on business, the media, the academe, [professors and students] and intellectuals like lawyers... but the vast majority of the people loved Marcos because the Marcos system was pro poor.

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What some dictators do is cling to legitimacy by insisting on the letter of the law (which oftentimes was made by them)--the spirit of the law and the sentiments and welfare of their people be damned.

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Marcos did not cling to legitimacy unlike GMA whose presidency is questioned until now. Marcos was a brilliant lawyer and his Martial Law presidency is legal because it is provided in the constitution.

WN

QuoteTho it may be argued and discussed that Marcos was corrupt etc etc, in the end, the man authored over 90 Republic Acts, all of which are still in effect to this day.

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There is no government that is free from corruption but media in other countries don't use the issue of corruption to put down their government officials if they have no evidence. If Marcos authored over 90 Republic Acts... there are more. Marcos had crafted more than 7,800 Presidential Decrees and other legal issuances â€" from the crib to the grave, so to speak. They are still in effect until today except those that pertain to Martial Law. If Marcos is an evil person our new leaders in government should have repealed all the laws of Marcos.

He is a great lawgiver second only to Moses.

WN

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on May 06, 2011, 01:16:03 PM
I was in DAVAO CITY during the SNAP ELECTION, & what i saw & experienced during those times is the TOTAL OPPOSITE sa gi ingon ni WAY NADA....what a JOKE!

You see... you were in Davao city, it means Cory is popular in cities but when it comes to probinsiya or countryside the people there are for Marcos.

WN

Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 02:42:52 PM
way nada, if your logic turns this way, then i am just wasting my time on this discussion.  but let me try to follow your logic anyway, no matter how different it is from mine and no matter how i insult myself in the process. 

if you must tell me to go to the proper venue to complain that marcos's medals are fake, then i must also tell you to go and bury marcos yourself and give him the proper hero's burial.  better still, jump into the grave and have yourself be buried with him.

I'm not insisting on my logic. It's you who is persistent. I am siding with Enrile, Maceda, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, Gen, Jonathan Wainwright, the US and the Philippine governments that the Marcos medals are genuine. That is simple logic.***

WN

Quotejust because we are agreed on political motivations does not mean that we are agreed about the medals.  besides, his claims to these medals can also be branded as politically motivated, okay?  he capitalized on these to election victory, as you imply.

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The bone of contention here is; "if the Marcos medals are fake or not". If the issue is politically motivated as agreed by you then it is clear as the noon day sun that the Marcos medals are truly genuine. In his case he did not claim to the medals but they were awarded to him. ****

Quotegillego sourced his information from marcos's superiors at the 14th infantry (please see reply #136).  his report was lent credence by the findings of historian alfred w. mccoy.  here i post again what i've previously posted:

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"Sourced his information from marcos's superiors?" You see... they are not the right people to be believed. Gillego's information must come first hand from the archivists of the US and the Philippine military with a certification saying that; they have no information on record awarding war medals to Marcos. Thus debunking the 27 medals of Marcos as fake. And then... tapos na ang boksing if you have this certification. ***

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Marcos’s war hero image collapsed when The New York Times ran an exclusive on January 23, 1986.  He was then wrapping up the election

Quotecampaign against Cory, widow of Ninoy Aquino. As usual he regaled the crowds with accounts of his hot exploits.  The Times doused cold water on his stories, quoting the US Army description of them as mostly “absurd” and “fraudulent”.  Main source was Alfred W. McCoy, a history professor who was researching records just turned over to the National Archives in Washington. McCoy unearthed two requests by Marcos in 1945 and 1948 for official recognition of Mga Maharlika.  Both were rejected as Army investigators found the claims to be exaggerated.  Ray Hunt Jr., an ex-Army captain who directed guerrilla activities in 1942-44 in Pangasinan, North Luzon, was quoted in the Times article as saying the Maharlika was fictitious.  He said if any unit had operated near his base then, he would have known about it.  The investigators said Marcos even [/quo associated with men engaged in “nefarious activity,” like supplying contraband to the Japanese.

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If Alfred W. McCoy "unearthed two requests by Marcos in 1945 and 1948 for official recognition of Mga Maharlika" why he not able to look into Marcos war medals when he had accessed the National Archives in Washington? Why did the National Archives curator allowed McCoy access to Marcos war records and denied Bonifacio Gillego when the later a Filipino has more interest in Marcos war records than McCoy?

Who is Alfred W. McCoy?

Alfred W. McCoy as the report said is a professor of history. His biodata states that he authored many books and researcher of history in Southeast Asia and elsewhere in the world. His biodata says more that he is a researcher on Philipine history and government but I failed to find if he wrote about the war records of Marcos... except a news opinion printed in NYT. ***

Marcos ordered political lieutenants to refute the reports. They came up with a more incredible claim that the medals were for acts in 1941 and 1945, at war’s beginning and end. This only lent more credence to Gillego’s statement that, for Marcos to have fought the 27 battles, he would have been at different places at the same time.


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Some medals were awarded during the war and some after the war. What is wrong with that?

Quoteso?  just because he didn’t divulge it at once his statement is rendered false?  a late confession does not make a confession false.  oh, it wasn’t marcos who staged the ambush.  like any lackey obeying his boss, enrile himself arranged it upon marcos’s orders.

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His statement is doubtful because it is a long drawn second opinion. It can be false! It was spoken at a time when his life was already in danger.

Quotewow!  this party and ideology, marcos’s bogeymen, had been sidelined since the fall of the berlin wall, and you still believe they’re a threat?  come on, do you really believe until now, more than two decades later, the propaganda of the marcos years, with the controlled media as the conveyors?  what decade are you living in?

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Yes they are a threat. You know why? Because they still retain an armed group in the hills. And unknown to some they are already in government posing as progressives.

WN
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Quotehorse aside, and talking of an iota (which the dictionary says is "a very small quantity or degree; a jot; a particle"), i hereby offer the following iotas:

Reply:

Let me see your small evidence.

QuotePosing as the most decorated Filipino soldier of World War II, Ferdinand Marcos foisted 33 medals and awards.  Bonifacio Gillego, in opposing Marcos’s dictatorship, exposed in 1982:

Reply:

So... who is Bonifacio Gillego? Is he a government agent authorize to authenticate the medals of Marcos?
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• Eleven of the 33 were given in 1963, nearly 20 years after the War, when Marcos was Senate President girding to run for President.  Ten of the 11 were given on the same day, December 20. Three of the ten unusually were given under only one General Order.


• One award was given on Marcos’s 55th birthday, September 17, 1972, when he was President, four days before he imposed martial law.

• Eight of the 33 “American and Philippine medals,” as listed by Marcos’s Office of Media Affairs, were actually campaign ribbons given to all participants in the defense of Bataan and in the resistance.

• Awards are duplicated for the same action on the same day and place.

• One is a special award from the Veterans Federation of the Philippines.

Reply:

Where is the declaration of Jarius Bondoc that Marcos medals are fake? Nada!

Quoteso did marcos played politics as usual.  in fact, he played way, way before…

Reply:

"Naturally politics is playing as usual." That is your quote not mine. But Marcos is not playing politics... he is a dead man. His enemies are playing politics with a dead body. A sort of desecration of the dead.
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Quoteit follows, actually.  why cast aspersion on something that's unimpeachable?  let's note in the meantime that there are equally gullible people around who swallow hook, line, sinker and whale marcos’s purported 27 medals of heroism.

Reply:

If you have unimpeachable evidence then you must go to the proper venue and complain that Marcos medals are fake. Anyway Gen. Restituto Aguilar I believe will entertain your evidence thus saying; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”. So that once and for all the Marcos medals' issue will come to a stop.

WN

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Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
you're most welcome.  we are, at least, agreed on the mudslinging of politics, that's why you have no need to complain about the opposition denigrating marcos, right?

So if you are agreeable... therefore the issue against the Marcos medals is politically motivated. It is true that denigrating and mudslinging are often used by vested interest group to take issue to further a political end. By asserting an idea under the protection of freedom of the press can you smear, defame or sully the reputation of a person? This is often predicated on lies and falsehood and I think this is wrong especially if the person concerned is a dead man.

Marcos since he first ran for election in 1948 he capitalized on his medals to attract voters to vote for him. He campaigned in the 1965 presidential election comparing him a war hero to the Liberal Party candidate Sergio Osmena Jr. who was selling scrap iron to the Japanese army during the war.

There was never an issue that his medals are fake until in 1982 a certain Bonifacio Gillego came out with his allegation that the Marcos medals are not genuine who relies his information from people supposedly Marcos comrades in arms during WW-II. Therefore it's a sort of info coming from gossip and political innuendoes... which is why they are really false. And more... not a single information from him that says; he sourced it from the archives of the US and Philippine military.

WN
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Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 09:31:53 AM
and just because there was an arms shipment for the communists the whole country’s freedom needed to be suppressed?  where was our then commander-in-chief’s military?  note that it’s the media that divulged this (according to you), and suddenly, you believe the media despite your repeated claims that they’re not worth believing?

Yes of course! That was the provision in the constitution that; "the president can declare Martial Law if in his own judgement the Philippines is in iminent danger of rebellion". The shipment of arms from China for the communists was a sign that there was a rebellion. It was not only in Luzon but in Mindanao the MNLF of Nur Misuari openly revolted against the government. This was also one of the factors for the closure of the media that; in time of crisis the media should be pro government.

WN

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Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 09:15:09 AM
i think i’m not wrong; i’m just looking at things without myopia.  how can people of another ideology who are not in power ever have the power to suppress a whole country’s freedom?    did the communists do away with the writ of habeas corpus?  did they suppress the press?  let us grant that the communists may have terrified the people, especially those in the countryside, but suppress our freedom?  they were too far away from the reins of power to be able to do that.  have you heard of the word ‘logic’?

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Yes you are wrong. If you are not myopic then maybe you overlooked it. The communists in cahoots with Ninoy Aquino, the students and some of the clergy created the situation to suppress our freedom. Marcos made the preemptive action against the communists. The word "contrive" means to create a situation. Logic???

WN

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Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 09:04:32 AM
the philippine government apologized in embarrassment, knowing that the secret plan to invade sabah (it wasn't to sabotage) was secret no more because of ninoy, will not have any foreign help, even from the u.s., which despite bilateral military agreements is wont to side with the british.  we didn’t stand a chance.  to supposedly continue keeping the operation secret (face-saving at the expense of lives), the trainees were allegedly massacred. the lone survivor, the one who came out alive to tell the tale, is real and alive and well, as you can see.

Jabidah Massacre survivor to join anniversary rites

By Jocelyn Uy
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 22:49:00 03/17/2008

MANILA, Philippines -- An emblem that commemorates the scores of Moro youths killed in the Jabidah massacre 40 years ago will be unveiled on Tuesday at the Kindley Airfield on Corregidor Island, the scene of the atrocity, according to a Muslim group.

The gruesome Jabidah Massacre was believed to have sparked the Muslim rebellion.  According to the MindaNews web site, it is the reckoning date of the founding of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) although its actual creation was on a much later date.

The event refers to the killings of about 60 Muslim youths trained to invade Sabah by henchmen of the late dictator President Ferdinand Marcos on March 18, 1968.

Only one survived to tell the tale, Jibin Arula, who is expected to lead anniversary rites by the Mindanao Peoples’ Caucus on Corregidor Island on Tuesday.

If Arula would be able to join the group, it would be his first time to set foot on Corregidor since the massacre.


More at http://opinion.inquirer.net/

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If there was a massacre please provide a court case. Did Arula testify in congress or in the court of law?

WN

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Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
jibin arula is real, alive and well.  if indeed as you claim ninoy didn’t find him when he went to sulu, why, of course, if i were arula, i would not trust any government man to see me.  i’d be too paranoid by then to even believe that the government man in the person of ninoy may even be followed by some military sniper out to finish me off.   


Jibin Arula, lone survivor of the Jabidah Massacre
He's the one in the middle of the photo, in the light blue shirt. 

at the time of the jabidah massacre in 1968, jibin arula was 27 years old. 

really, way nada, sir, it only takes a few minutes and some patience to browse the internet to verify these things.  i personally would not rely on my own figment of imagination, no matter how colorful it may be, just to make myself feel right about my personal biases.   

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If Arula is a real person he should have been subpoenaed to appear in congress and testify about the massacre. The case about the Jabidah massacre reached the Supreme Court but there was no Arula. In your case you get your information always from the media. The last bulwark of our democracy is always in a court of law and I rely more in the result of an investigation in a court of law. The Jabidah Massacre maybe was the invention of Ninoy Aquino and the media. Believing his own lies he went to Sulo to look for Arula.

WN

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Quote from: islander on May 06, 2011, 08:45:19 AM
don’t tell me it was wrong for the philippine free press magazine (which was established in 1907) to honor marcos as man of the year in 1965. 

meanwhile, here's a little backgrounder that may be worth our while:

“Since 1946, our father has exposed the corruption of Philippine politics through every administration. Having defied the moves of Marcos to impose martial law, he was, upon the declaration of martial law in 1972, arrested and detained.  The Philippines Free Press was shut down, and its assets were sold to a Marcos crony. In 1985, however, our father resumed the publication of the Philippines Free Press to support the candidacy of Corazon Cojuangco Aquino - even in the teeth of military censorship.”  (Enrique L. Locsin on Teodoro M. Locsin Sr.)


http://www.glphils.org/kinship/

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Thanks... you said it!  After Marcos re-election the PFP became a Marcos critic. When his father was arrested T. L. Locsin Sr. became an oppositionist. Joaquin Roces, Max Soliven, Serge Osmena and Gene Lopez... they were arrested. They are only few. In an emergency government it is always the intellectual person or persons  that are arrested.

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WN

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if it wasn't, why didn't he simply go down and not run again after two terms because in the first place that was all that the 1935 constitution allowed him?  by 1972, he was already on his second and last term as president.  political analysts were already wagging that he was bound to stay longer.  everything in him, words and deeds, led those keen enough to understand human nature that it wasn't in him to give up power that easily.

Reply:

The presidential election was to be held in the month of November 1972. Marcos declared Martial Law on September 21, 1972. The election scheduled in November was cancelled and Marcos by virtue of Martial Law had a hold over power. Other political opinion at that time said that Marcos was right in his declaration of Martial Law. If Marcos stood down the communists will have taken over power.

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1971 constitutional convention

When news broke out that Marcos planned to amend the constitution, allowing him to run for a third term in the presidential elections of 1973, student-led protests erupted in the streets, in what has since become known as the First Quarter Storm of 1970.  Later, student movements also led the Diliman Commune of February 1971.  Despite the violent protests, the Constitutional Convention still convened in June 1971.

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Ninoy Aquino was part of this plan to overthrow Marcos. He was caught in a tape recorded conversation with the communists. The university students of Manila were used as tool to create  chaos. In January of 1973 the new constitution was ratified by the people and came into effect.

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1986 snap elections

The snap elections were finally held on 7 February 1986, with Cory Aquino and Salvador “Doy” Laurel running against Marcos and Aurelio Tolentino for the presidency and the vice-presidency.  The heavily-anticipated elections were marred by vote-buying, oppression, and fraudulent results; with Commission on Elections (COMELEC) results were in favor of Marcos while the National Movement for Free Elections (NAMFREL) results were in favor of Aquino.  In protest, thirty computer operators walk out of the COMELEC tabulation center during the tabulation two days after the election.

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The allegation of oppression and fraudulent results in the snap election are not true. There was no oppression because Marcos was already established "name" among the people in the countryside. Marcos won because he had the political machinery and Cory Aquino with her saliva only. If I'm not telling you the truth then ask any politician worth his salt if a candidate without a political machinery can win in a national election.

Those who committed fraud in that election was Joe Concepcion and his Namfrel by manipulating the results through trending... which is why Comelec had a different result than Namfrel. The walked out of the computer operators was staged to show to the world media that the election was a farce. The real reason of all this election drama was the opposition knew they cannot defeat Marcos in a national election.

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One of the most brutal incidents that happened in connection with the snap elections was the killing of lawyer Evelio Javier, opposition ex-governor of Antique, on 11 February 1986.  Javier was chased and shot to death in broad daylight at the provincial capitol.  The assassination was considered as one of the tipping points that led to the revolution. At his funeral mass, the official statement of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines was read, condemning the elections. (wikipedia)

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I agree. They made Evelio Javier a rallying point to their cause to oust Marcos by any means. It is also the same thing today in the massacre of people in Mindanao by the Ampatuan.

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if these are still media inventions for you and you are therefore inclined not to believe, how does catholic church invention suit you?

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I am a catholic but I am not dogmatic. I am a traditionalist. The same with my treatment of the news in the media; I don't believe always as if they are gospel truth.

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you forget that during marcos's two-decade rule he controlled the media for over half of the period.  one of the first things he did after he declared martial law was the closure of all media outlets.  these slowly resurfaced when it was made sure that they would toe the government line.  add the fact that some outlets were taken over by his close associates (a kinder term for cronies), like roberto benedicto, and abs-cbn of the lopezes and rpn came under direct government management, among others.  and they cast aspersion against marcos?  come on.

your declaration that martial law's purpose was to save the country from communist despotism is those media's line.  yet you don't believe in the media?  how can you negate yourself?



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Martial Law is emergency government therefore those publishers who were antagonistic to Martial Law were detained and their newspapers closed or were taken over by the government. Their closure was not for long. It opened again with a new face lift and with a new horizon, so to speak. His purpose was not to control but to regulate the media. I believe it was also good for the people. Why?

Here is my explanation;

The media before Martial Law and in the post Martial Law media don't look any different. They are irresponsible media. In our constitution it says; "No law shall be passed abridging the freedom of speech, of expression or of the press". With this constitutional provision as their protection... they become as chaotic and as rambunctious media making themselves look like an unstoppable train on its track. Who cares? They can easily lambast and castigate politicians or other persons by the lure of the color of money. We think that our system is democratic but we are also well-known worldwide that there are more than many journalists killed if we are compared to some third world countries.   

Marcos was right... imagine they are more powerful than our elected officials and the president because we are to follow regulations.

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it is not a media invention.  neither is your claim that it's a media invention an invention of the media because it is your invention. yes, cesar virata was the prime minister then who will call for an election, when told by marcos to do so.

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Your thinking is too extremist. It's a media invention because there is nothing in the constitution that says he [Marcos] can write a memo to appoint a new president. The Marcos government is parliamentary and the media misled the people... maybe because of their hatred towards Marcos they kept away from the people the information on how a parliamentary form of government works.

When Marcos dies Cesar Virata as Prime Minister will call for a snap election. There is no such thing as a memo to be followed. By the way... snap election is parliamentary terminology.

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Quote from: hubag bohol on May 05, 2011, 03:58:02 PM
If Ka Terry is 51 now, he was 12 in 1972. Hmm, precocious kid...

Maybe he was a teenager at that time. The book was written not this year of course.

WN

Quote from: hubag bohol on May 05, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
And what's the legal way of deposing a dictator?

Again it is always in an election. Remember revolution is always illegal.

WN

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on May 05, 2011, 10:33:58 AM
hehehe...unsa mai imong ika sulti sa SNAP ELECTION, pildi pero gusto pa magpabilin sa pwesto? ngutana lang!

Mao pud ni resulta sa imong "bias" nga panghuna-huna batok ni Marcos. Pildi si Cory sa eleksyon. Si Marcos ang hing-daug. Di jud mahitabo nga modaug si Cory ni Marcos adtong panahona... ngano? Tungod kay si Marcos nakagamut na sa mga probinsiya. Si Cory nailhan lang sa mga ciudad. Pero sa mga balita sa mantalaan kontra kaajo ni Marcos ug mao ni imong gibasihan. Ang eleksyon kinahanglan naay imong organisasyon [political machinery] para ka modaug Si Cory wa'y makinaryas; si Marcos tibook Pilipinas ang iyan organisasyon. Tanan mga mayores sa probinsiya tua dapig ni Marcos.

Unsaon pagdaug ni Cory?

WN

Quote from: hubag bohol on May 05, 2011, 04:00:56 PM
...and he was driven out by the people.

Election by the people carries a heavier weight of credibility than a people's uprising. In our constitution election is the legal way to become president.

WN

islander wrote: 

"two examples stand out.  the u.s. army never acknowledged the existence of the guerrilla unit named “ang maharlika” and marcos was never rewarded for his claimed bravery at the battle of bessang pass."

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The best piece of information whether the "Ang Mga Maharlika" headed by Marcos is a non existent guerilla unit during the war should come not from baseless ideas of thought from authors of books, newspaper reports or issues coming out of political innuendoes. To have a credible information about Marcos' Maharlika unit and his exploit during the war should come from a source in the military especially the history of WW-II. In this case there is no argument that Marcos records are in the military.

islander wrote:     

consider this:

"Marcos’s daring war adventures first saw print in a 1948 magazine series.  The young lawyer supposedly had formed a 9,200-strong guerrilla group called Mga Maharlika (The Nobles) in North Luzon.  Unmindful of danger, he led more than 300 skirmishes with the mighty Japanese Imperial Army, for which he was decorated 27 times.  Thus did Marcos earn in 1947 a post in the Philippine commission that lobbied with the US for veterans’ benefits.   Riding on the daredevil acclaim, he handily won in 1949 a congressional seat."

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You are right! If you have doubts about what you wrote then consult the military historian and not the newspaper writer.

WN

islander wrote:

"spoken like a true functionary.  but of course, as a historical consultant he shouldn't take sides.  the statement does not in any way contradict either the truth or untruth of the authenticity of the medals."

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Gen. Restituto Aguilar is an historical consultant of the AFP Museum... his bias is because he is hired by the government of the Philippines. He has in his possession facts to the authencity of the Marcos medals. Which is why he said; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”.

You see... any person who disagree to the genuineness of the Marcos medals are welcomed to contest but must have proof to substantiate their claim.

The issue about the Marcos medals saw print in We-Forum of Joe Burgos Jr. written sometimes in the early 1980's by former governor of Sorsogon Bonifacio Gillego... and until now the issue remains in the newspaper. Nobody dared to question those medals in a higher venue other than the media or proof to the contrary that Marcos is an impostor during the war. The truth is; there is no proof to substantiate claims in the media that the Marcos medals are fake. Everything against the exploit of Marcos during WW-II is purely mudslinging. "Naturally politics is playing as usual."       

islander wrote:

"meantime, when something is questioned, there must be some weakness in that thing."

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Not necessarily. The things that is questioned by the media are the Marcos medals... and some people just swallow it hook, line and sinker. This not strange because there are lots of gullible people around. To show strenght of their claims they should show proof. According to the Philippine government through Gen. Restituto Aguilar; "Those who contest the authenticity of his [Marcos] medals should substantiate their allegations. It shall undergo investigations and should follow a process”. Until now nobody shows up to contest the Marcos medals. 

islander wrote:   

"your belief that marcos deserved all his 27 war medals must have some basis, such as your readings and your choice of what to believe in your readings.  that’s your right."

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Of course! It's not only a belief but it's a fact of history that Marcos was awarded these medals during WW-II.

islander wrote:

"this is mine:  what are the bases for the doubts cast over marcos’s medals?  in general, some of the medals were earned or bestowed on him in accordance with his own reports and claims.  thus, the medals may be authentic but the reasons for their awarding could be fake.  (please note the qualifications of “may be” and “could be”.)"

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Actually the doubts come from baseless accusation. Devoid of any iota of evidence. The bases for the doubters comes from; "naturally, it was politics as usual." This is straight from the horse's mouth.

WN

islander wrote:

"isn't it that the pff only reported what was going on?  naturally, it was politics as usual.  it’s not as if we don’t know that political campaigns in our political culture will not always bear the mark of mutual mudslinging.  it wasn’t as if marcos and his minions didn’t undertake their own negative tirades against their political enemies.  remember the “walang alam” slogan against cory aquino?  there was, and there will always be, mutual denigration."

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Thanks for your opinion. After all the exchanges of views you admitted that; "naturally, it was politics as usual." I agree! Hehehe...

It's not only the smears and mudslinging but the hate against Marcos and I will also include Erap lingers on... because this is drawn in our political culture of putting down a political adversary. The denigration as you say is very clear and the case of Cory Aquino dubbed as "walang alam" is like the issue attributed to Erap as only an actor. Cory Aquino is no push over when it comes to her education but the "walang alam" is a derision of her in-experience in politics.

WN

islander wrote:

"yet trumpet ferdinand marcos jr did.  in fact, the reason why the whole family decided against burying marcos's body permanently elsewhere was because they themselves wanted him buried at the libingan ng mga bayani, all these years lobbying with political friends for support, and all these years insisting, trumpeting, that their family head was a hero.  and the family has the evidence, marcos's own account of his war exploits and the medals themselves."

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That is your opinion and I respect it. But the reason why the Marcos family wanted him [Marcos] buried in the Libingan and not elsewhere is because Marcos qualified in 4 categories for burial in the Libingan.

Here are his qualification;

1. He is a recipient of 27 genuine war medals awarded to him in 1942 by Gen. Jonathan Wainwright and Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

2. He is an awardee of the Philippine highest award to a soldier. The congressional medal of valor.

3. He was once the president of the Philippines.

4. He served in the government as secretary of National Defense.

WN

islander wrote:

"heroes are deemed worthy of the name, so why should the article's writer still ask if he were worthy of the name when he can settle for simply asking whether he was a hero or not?"

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You are right! "Heroes are deemed worthy of the name." Other people think he is not worth the name of a hero. But honorable men like Gen. Jonathan Wainwright and Gen. Douglas MacArthur think otherwise. They believed Marcos is a hero by honoring him [Marcos] with war medals. These war medals were awarded to Marcos at the time when the war in the Philippines was raging in 1942. The US and Philippine governments never reported that those medals awarded to Marcos were fake medals. 

I for one agree with the 2 generals.

WN

islander wrote: 

"when the philippine free press points out that he “contrived to suppress [that] freedom”, it meant that marcos took away the democratic freedom that was known by the filipino people, that freedom for which those soldiers both dead and living fought for during world war 2,..."

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I think you are wrong. He did not contrive to suppress our freedom but the communists did. The bombing of Plaza Miranda created the situation as attested to by Cor. Victor Corpuz... after the fall of Marcos when he returned to his unit in the AFP. Ex senator Jovito Salonga a political opponent of Marcos accused him as the mastermind in the Plaza Miranda bombing; but after listening to accounts of the bombing by former communists Romulo Kintanar who returned to the fold of the law saying that; Plaza Miranda bombing was the brainchild of the communists... he [Salonga] stops his accusation.

By the way... Romulo Kintanar was executed by the Ka Rosal liquidation squad being a traitor to the communist cause.

islander wrote:   

"first with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, then by martial law, and later by instituting constitutional change (through a rubber stamp constitutional convention) to continue to hold the reins of power."

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The writ of habeas corpus was suspended because Marcos knew about the Plaza Miranda bombing through intelligence reports that it was a prelude of things worse to come. The landing of arms shipment from China aboard M/V Karagatan off the coast of Degoyo Pt. in Luzon was one factor in the declaration of Martial Law. Here is an excerpt of a book narated by a crew member of M/V Karagatan named Ka Terry reported by Jo Clemente of the Inquirer;

"WE STAYED for 10 days at the Chinese naval base playing basketball while they took care of our fishing vessel and loaded boxes of M-14 rifles and ammunitions. In between, we were taught how to use the AK-47 and the anti-aircraft launcher. That could have been the next shipment."

That was Ka Terry speaking in flawless Kapampangan as he described their brief stay in China in 1972. He was part of the crew of the MV Karagatan, the vessel that was tasked with delivering arms for the underground New People's Army in the Philippines.

Ka Terry is now 51 years old.

islander wrote: 

the bogeyman of communism was his most convenient reason then, from the plaza miranda bombing (as yet unsolved) to the supposed ambush of enrile (solved, with enrile admitting that it was plain drama).  even the assassination of benign aquino jr was at once blamed on the communists.

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Bogeyman? hehehe... I think this is the usual terminology of the Marcos critics to discredit Martial Law.

And one thing I can say about Enrile is that; when his life was already in danger during his defiance against Marcos and to attract sympathy from the people he invented a story that his "ambush" was staged by Marcos. His story is unbelievable because it was done at the time when he rebelled against his boss Marcos. If it is for the sake of the people... he should have divulged it long time ago.

islander wrote: 

"was the communists’ npa ever a threat to national security in the real sense of the word? on hindsight, but for the usual government yarn then, the more threatening at the time was our own military that had more political power and better weapons than the ragtag npa, which didn’t have the support of the greater part of the population.  but the communists provided the marcos government with the best excuse to wield power sans check and balance."

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Yes. The CPP-NPA currently poses the greatest armed threat to the Philippine government and has the widest grass-roots support among the various Philippine leftist insurgent groups. The conflict between the CPP-NPA and the Philippine government has taken thousands of lives since the NPA’s inception. The peace talks between the NDF and the government is going nowhere.

WN

islander wrote:

"the philippine free press magazine has always been a critic of any wrongdoings of any administration, marcos’s or not, long before anyone of us here at tb was probably born.  it is not as if its opinion makers (the columnists) focused only on marcos’s time.  it did have more of marcos, because there was more to write about him considering the number of years he had stayed at malacañang."

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The PFP should understand that publishing the "truth is always an overmatch" for lies and falsehood. But like the Philippine Free Press whether the disputed issue is a lie doesn't matter as long as contending parties pay the PFP well. The ethical point here is to rectify what had been published as lies and falsehood. But not for the PFP!

Before Martial Law when Ninoy Aquino's popularity as a critic of Marcos got hold of dossiers pertaining to Muslims massacred [This was known as the Jabidah Massacre.] by the military in Corregidor the PFP and other anti Marcos newspapers bannered the story without even bothering to investigate whether there is truth to their story. Ninoy in a privilege speech spoke of a massacre in congress and that a certain recruit named Arula who survived the massacre was picked up by fishermen in Manila Bay. This was not true and Ninoy believing his own lies went to Sulo to inquire about the person Arula after his speech in congress and he cannot find such a person.

Marcos allegedly signed an approval to recruit Muslims to be trained clandestinely by the military to sabotage Sabah. In an act of treachery in the person of Ninoy; he divulged to the world of a massacre of muslim in Corregidor. The story of a massacre was a myth creating a crisis for the Philippines when the Australian and the New Zealand navies were deployed right in front of Palawan in defense of Malaysia... an ally in the British commonwealth. The British deployed also the Gurkha Fighters in Sabah to help Malaysia in case the Philippines invade Sabah or North Borneo.

The Philippine government apologized to the Malaysian and the British Commonwealth saying that it was only part of the free rolling Philippine press. But the PFP and other anti Marcos newspapers never rectify their story.

WN

islander wrote:

"the irony in the life of marcos is that he made his own life ironic.  there's no doubt about his sincerity when he ran for the top office of the land in the beginning.  along the way, he fell victim, or he allowed himself to be victimized, by the heady addiction of power, and ended up refusing to go down by whatever means. he was a despot, no matter how we look at it, and like most other despots in the world, he wanted to keep power within his family."

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This is also the irony if we believe too much of the newpapers who cast aspersion and bias opinion against Marcos. If you have no doubt in his sincerity of running for the highest office of the land then it's not addiction. His declaration of Martial Law was to save the Philippines from communist despotism. In 1972 it's either Marcos dictatorship or communist despotism.

islander wrote:     

"the fact that he had a memo prepared for his wife to take over his presidency of the land is not a media invention, as we may know."

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It's a media invention and there is no memo of that kind. I think the government introduced by Marcos is new to us and most do not understand how it works. We are being misled by the media that if Marcos dies Imelda will take over. No... it is not that way a parliamentary system works. Cesar Virata who was the prime minister will call for an election.

islander wrote:     

"whatever wrong values were brought along by our colonizers have nothing to do with his decision to stay on and on and on."

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It was not his decision to stay on forever. He was elected by the people.

WN

I was once also an anti Marcos activist. I was at the MIA the time Ninoy Aquino was assassinated. I was there in the streets of Manila demonstrating against the government of Marcos... and at the same time I was employed with RFM a company owned by the Concepcions.

Since being an activist against Marcos my neighbor in Antipolo himself also an activist enrolled me to be a member of ATOM. The group of Butch Aquino who always led demonstrations and rallies against Marcos. While actively affiliated with the group I found out that most of the members are former students from UP, Ateneo, La Salle, UST and etc... etc... and at that time they are employed as junior managers of big companies in the Philippines. Like for example SMC, PMC, Nescafe, Baguio Oil and some of them are in the banks also having access to the Makati banking business who as anti Marcos the promoters of intrigues of a run in the bank. And for those who are in the production of prime commodities they managed production forecast.

My activities turned sour with them when I realized that these junior managers cum political activists were manipulating the production forecast of their companies. They knew when the production of a prime commodity is at low level. For example are pork, chicken, coffee, milk, rice and etc. When rice is forecasted at its low level these junior managers cum anti Marcos activists start to disseminate information that there will be a shortage of rice. The rich made it easy for them to buy by the sacks while the poor are left with nothing in the supermarket shelves thus creating an artificial rice shortage. There was no real crisis in a true sense of the word but these political activists cum junior managers created an artificial crisis. The same thing with other prime commodity products. The purpose is to make the people angry against Marcos.

Their medium of disseminating information to the people is the Pahayagang Malaya newspaper of Joe Burgos. Another anti Marcos newspaper.

During the time of Marcos the Philippines was exporting rice to other countries. Marcos established the Kadiwa Store where prime commodities for the poor were sold at a low price. And all over the country low prices of commodities were available and big business cannot easily jack up their prices. In order to afford maximum protection to consumers, prevent price manipulation and hoarding... the Price Stabilization Council was decreed by Marcos to increase its vigilance, particularly its price monitoring and enforcement.


The price of a liter of gasoline at the pump was pegged at a low price because Marcos subsidized oil companies through the Oil Price Stabilization Fund or OPSF. Therefore oil subsidy through the OPSF protected the country and cannot be hard hit if there is an oil crisis in the world.

The Economic Processing Zone Area or EPZA started in Bataan, Baguio city, Mactan Island, Cebu and Rizal province. The initial introduction into the Philippine market of Volkwagen Sakbayan, Mitsubishi Cimmaron, Ford Fiera and Toyota Tamaraw happened during the time of Marcos before any Asian country could start their own car industry. We started exporting Ford engines and spare parts to Australia and New Zealand. Right now, today, at the present time we are overtaken by Malaysia with their Proton car, In India with their Tata car and Ford Fiera is diverted and improved in Indonesia. 

All these developments happened because Marcos put regulations in the running of the government and for the interest of all Filipinos. Big business interest and politicians were antagonistic of what Marcos did. Marcos cannot have the best of both worlds... either he'll love the influential media, the Manila elite, politicians and big business or despise the people. Marcos chose to protect the people... which is why he was toppled from power.

When the media started to demonize Marcos as a thief and a dictator trusting that their propaganda can easily be absorbed by the gullibility of the people they didn't realize that a plot was hatched to restore the power of big business and corrupt politicians.

After Marcos everything he did for the interest of the people were gone. The PSC, OPSF, Kadiwa Center... etc... etc... were abolished by the new government. The Ministry of Energy was also abolished plunging Manila and the nearby provinces into complete darkness.

Who do you think be blamed for this economic disaster and flight of capital away from our country... Marcos? He was the one who started the development and is he also the one to drive them out? That makes it ridiculous and absurdly contrary to reason. While Marcos ignited the industrialization of our country his political enemies destroyed the developments he established and put Filipinos as contract workers in the Middle East, domestic helps in Singapore and Hongkong and as usual our women are the more easy target for sex slaves to other countries.

The great bard, William Shakespeare, once wrote: "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones."

Salamat!

R.A. Matig-a