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What is your opinion on Pres. Ferdinand Marcos??
« on: July 11, 2007, 12:13:21 AM »
OK. We all know who he was and what he did for the Philippines/ and or to the Philippines. However whenever I talk to my pinoy friends and their parents they have very different conflicting views of Pres. Marcos. I know my family--specially my dad's side of the family who hail him as one of the greatest presidents of the Republic--and there is my mom's side who like him because of his electricity program to Bohol--and his Machismo-esque ordered society. Then there are other Filipinos like my friends' parents who hail from other parts of the Philippines and have very negative views of Marcos. They point out his corrupt flaws and  his anti-democratic ideologies--and talk of him being an embodiment of a cruel/ruthless dictator similar to those of the likes of Fidel Castro, Sadaam Hussein, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Sukarto and Sukarno.

What are your views on this man?? Any personal experiences at all?

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 12:21:22 AM »
One of the greatest Filipino minds...a political scientist...

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2007, 02:09:16 AM »
Once upon a time I, oh, so adored him
Until I realized he was a pebble dropped into the bond
and createad ripples of tsunami.

He was the Humpty Dumpty that I knew
He sat on a wall, had a great fall
And all the kings horses and all the kings men
Could not put him back together again.


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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 07:53:56 AM »
I like your figurative language in referring Marcos to 'Humpty Dumpty'; definately a classic. You know what I noticed--most of my friends that are bisaya--usually have parents and family members who adored Marcos and refer to him as a 'Great politician', however my friends who are originally from Pampanga, Luzon area and Bicol Area have very negative views of him.

Oh so how I wish there would be a future Phil. President with the same charisma and sheer political will as Marcos. His ability to command the military and buckle neighbouring countries--and his almost card-playing abilities in talking and playing with the Americans. What a legacy he could have made had he not gone 'corrupt'.

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Re: What is your oppinion on Pres. Ferdinand Marcos??
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2007, 05:31:44 PM »
Onicul85,

Your observation may be explained this way: The Visayas is usually pro-administration and gives its support to the sitting president--whoever he or she is.
Those in Luzon usually take the side of the opposition.


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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 06:33:49 AM »
But why? Why is the political discourse always in that favour? I mean..were the Visayas region pro-Spanish as well during the era of Imperial Spanish rule? I mean--it does make sense considering the KKK was indeed founded in the north----



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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2007, 10:54:55 PM »

The late President Ferdinand E. Marcos could be hailed as the greatest President the Philippine Republic has ever produced.

It is not fair to judge him for the misdeeds kay kon akoy pasultion wala siguroy presidente nga wala mangurakot, bisan asa pa sa tibuok kalibutan.  Filipinos have that culture of abhoring bad if they will be benefited, pero kon siya na maapektuhan kusog kaayo manaot.  Di ba?

Am not a loyalist, but I have to be grateful for the man who had helped me for what I am now. (thanks for having all those scholarships that brought me to college and post graduate studies, thanks for the government organizations like KB / SK that honed my leadership abilities, thanks for opening the doors for overseas employment that made Philippines as the main source of competent labor where more than 6 million Filipinos are recipients, thanks for the taste of Imelda for what is beautiful in all her touch that made the world recognize that Filipinos have that aesthetic value comparably the same with them... and we have to be grateful for the long long lists... ) Nailhan kaayo ang Pilipinas during the Marcos regime.

Stoning Marcos for what happened to the Philippines is pure hypocrisy.  Dapat ang basolon ang mga tawo, kita....... kitang tanan kay doble kara, double standard morality ang atong culture. Who shaped the norms, di ba kita?  ( tan-awa atong kinaiya kun dunay bisita nga adunahan, mayor, pari ug uban pang dunay puwesto sa katilingban nga mobisita sa balay manggawas ang daghan pagkaon, manggawas ang maayong furnitures, fixtures ug uban unya ang gipakita sa tawo mangiloy-an ug relihiyoso pero kun dunay tawo magkinahanglan ug pagkaon nga pobre tawon, itago ang laming sud-an unya ipakaon lang tawon ang sardinas or bulad ) sa tinuoray mao niy batasan sa halos karamihan nato.  Unya imong basolon ang presidente kung unsa ang gihatag sa mga tawo niya??? taw-awa gud ang parallelism?

Change should start from ourselves.  And we have to be accountable for all our actions.  Tan-awa hangtod karon puro batikos... bisan kinsang presidente.

Ngano dili man ta musuporta sa mga maayong projects and action plans bisan lain na ug administration.  Mao nga wala tay asenso kay puro lang sa sulti wala sa buhat.

Kung duna tay nakita nga sayop sa uban, unya maayo lang ka manaway.  Nganong dili man nimo usbon ang kapalaran by getting the person learn his mistakes and offer solution thru leadership by example.

Anyway, pareho silang tanan.  And it is not fair to single out Marcos sa tanang mga negative things kay pareha nato masayop sad ta ug duna tay maayo nga side sa atong kinabuhi.

Hinuktuki ra god, perfect ka ba?


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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2007, 11:26:09 PM »
marcos was indeed a great political scienstist!

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2007, 09:35:56 AM »
The late President Ferdinand E. Marcos could be hailed as the greatest President the Philippine Republic has ever produced.

It is not fair to judge him for the misdeeds kay kon akoy pasultion wala siguroy presidente nga wala mangurakot, bisan asa pa sa tibuok kalibutan.  Filipinos have that culture of abhoring bad if they will be benefited, pero kon siya na maapektuhan kusog kaayo manaot.  Di ba?

Am not a loyalist, but I have to be grateful for the man who had helped me for what I am now. (thanks for having all those scholarships that brought me to college and post graduate studies, thanks for the government organizations like KB / SK that honed my leadership abilities, thanks for opening the doors for overseas employment that made Philippines as the main source of competent labor where more than 6 million Filipinos are recipients, thanks for the taste of Imelda for what is beautiful in all her touch that made the world recognize that Filipinos have that aesthetic value comparably the same with them... and we have to be grateful for the long long lists... ) Nailhan kaayo ang Pilipinas during the Marcos regime.

Stoning Marcos for what happened to the Philippines is pure hypocrisy.  Dapat ang basolon ang mga tawo, kita....... kitang tanan kay doble kara, double standard morality ang atong culture. Who shaped the norms, di ba kita?  ( tan-awa atong kinaiya kun dunay bisita nga adunahan, mayor, pari ug uban pang dunay puwesto sa katilingban nga mobisita sa balay manggawas ang daghan pagkaon, manggawas ang maayong furnitures, fixtures ug uban unya ang gipakita sa tawo mangiloy-an ug relihiyoso pero kun dunay tawo magkinahanglan ug pagkaon nga pobre tawon, itago ang laming sud-an unya ipakaon lang tawon ang sardinas or bulad ) sa tinuoray mao niy batasan sa halos karamihan nato.  Unya imong basolon ang presidente kung unsa ang gihatag sa mga tawo niya??? taw-awa gud ang parallelism?

Change should start from ourselves.  And we have to be accountable for all our actions.  Tan-awa hangtod karon puro batikos... bisan kinsang presidente.

Ngano dili man ta musuporta sa mga maayong projects and action plans bisan lain na ug administration.  Mao nga wala tay asenso kay puro lang sa sulti wala sa buhat.

Kung duna tay nakita nga sayop sa uban, unya maayo lang ka manaway.  Nganong dili man nimo usbon ang kapalaran by getting the person learn his mistakes and offer solution thru leadership by example.

Anyway, pareho silang tanan.  And it is not fair to single out Marcos sa tanang mga negative things kay pareha nato masayop sad ta ug duna tay maayo nga side sa atong kinabuhi.

Hinuktuki ra god, perfect ka ba?

Agree gyod ko nimo Junayag brilliant ka kaayo sa mga comments mo, maayo unta kong ang atong mga politicos pareha nimo ang panglantaw sa kinabuhi, salute to you, and long live.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2007, 06:58:34 PM »

hi elizabeth,

thanks for your compliments... ang sa ako lang... every one of us has that social responsibility to initiate and embark positive values to be infectious to the other members of the community.

Am the straightforward type, whenever I feel nga sakto akong gusulti, I would fight for it.  And am sorry nalang sa mga nasaktan nga dili makadawat sa ilang mga shortcomings.



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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2007, 08:12:51 AM »
The late President Ferdinand E. Marcos could be hailed as the greatest President the Philippine Republic has ever produced.

It is not fair to judge him for the misdeeds kay kon akoy pasultion wala siguroy presidente nga wala mangurakot, bisan asa pa sa tibuok kalibutan.  Filipinos have that culture of abhoring bad if they will be benefited, pero kon siya na maapektuhan kusog kaayo manaot.  Di ba?

Am not a loyalist, but I have to be grateful for the man who had helped me for what I am now. (thanks for having all those scholarships that brought me to college and post graduate studies, thanks for the government organizations like KB / SK that honed my leadership abilities, thanks for opening the doors for overseas employment that made Philippines as the main source of competent labor where more than 6 million Filipinos are recipients, thanks for the taste of Imelda for what is beautiful in all her touch that made the world recognize that Filipinos have that aesthetic value comparably the same with them... and we have to be grateful for the long long lists... ) Nailhan kaayo ang Pilipinas during the Marcos regime.

Stoning Marcos for what happened to the Philippines is pure hypocrisy.  Dapat ang basolon ang mga tawo, kita....... kitang tanan kay doble kara, double standard morality ang atong culture. Who shaped the norms, di ba kita?  ( tan-awa atong kinaiya kun dunay bisita nga adunahan, mayor, pari ug uban pang dunay puwesto sa katilingban nga mobisita sa balay manggawas ang daghan pagkaon, manggawas ang maayong furnitures, fixtures ug uban unya ang gipakita sa tawo mangiloy-an ug relihiyoso pero kun dunay tawo magkinahanglan ug pagkaon nga pobre tawon, itago ang laming sud-an unya ipakaon lang tawon ang sardinas or bulad ) sa tinuoray mao niy batasan sa halos karamihan nato.  Unya imong basolon ang presidente kung unsa ang gihatag sa mga tawo niya??? taw-awa gud ang parallelism?

Change should start from ourselves.  And we have to be accountable for all our actions.  Tan-awa hangtod karon puro batikos... bisan kinsang presidente.

Ngano dili man ta musuporta sa mga maayong projects and action plans bisan lain na ug administration.  Mao nga wala tay asenso kay puro lang sa sulti wala sa buhat.

Kung duna tay nakita nga sayop sa uban, unya maayo lang ka manaway.  Nganong dili man nimo usbon ang kapalaran by getting the person learn his mistakes and offer solution thru leadership by example.

Anyway, pareho silang tanan.  And it is not fair to single out Marcos sa tanang mga negative things kay pareha nato masayop sad ta ug duna tay maayo nga side sa atong kinabuhi.

Hinuktuki ra god, perfect ka ba?


Thanks for posting that sir, your views of late Pres. Marcos is suprisingly similar to that of my father's views of the man. My father, who was rather military-esque during high school and collegiate days, always stressed to me about the cur-infested areas of the Philippines before Marcos. Before Marcos' rise and before he imposed Martial Law, there were rampant violence in the south as well as throughout the country. Massive drug problems as well as the problems of powerful families that had their own military body guard. All this was changed when Marcos issued martial law and for once----silenced and gave peace and order throughout the republic.

Though I have some issues with Marcos' techniques, I am in awe of his political brilliancy. The fact that he had the Americans kissing and wiping his asss for almost 30 years is something to keep into consideration. I'd love to have another president on the Philippines that had such foreign policy abilities regarding the United States and other 'world powers'.



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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2007, 04:11:27 AM »


I agree with you Onicul, tremendous change took place during Marcos time. kadtong nipiyait maoy mga number 1 nga dautan, mangorakot.  Take a look sa Agrarian reform program ni former Pres. Corazon Aquino? even her Hacienda Luisita still an issue up to this time?  kong maayo siyang tawo, siya unta ang manguna to implement aron sundun siya, wala ma gani niya masolve pagkamatay sa iyang bana?

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2007, 04:48:08 AM »
I admired him. He's great President? Whatsoever, mas daghan pa siyang nahimo compared sa uban. puro salita wala namang ginagawa. Ambot? pero tinuod lang mas sagana paman ta sa niadto compara sa karon diba? at sobra ang pagka demokrasya dili nata safe karon. Hadlok nata molakaw bisan asa my cuarta ka o wala.  Og kung ikaw pobre pobre gayod kung dato ka dato pod. Pero puro kurakot lang ang mga naka upo karon dili nalang motingog kay naa may gipanghatag.  But, people suffered.  Take it or leave it na lang . Iyahay nalang paningkamot.


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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2007, 09:44:56 AM »
Marcos once delivered a brilliant speech before the joint Congress of the United States of America without reading a written speech. It was all impromptu. And Marcos received a prolonged standing ovation.

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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2007, 04:20:25 AM »


He's really brilliant! when he speaks, it's with authority, there's no point for questioning and much more, he delivers.....

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2007, 04:32:47 AM »
He's really brilliant!  in any way.. kaya pinapapatay nya si nenoy kay ayaw nya malabwan sa katalino.

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2007, 04:43:39 AM »


the death of Ninoy Aquino still remain an unresolved issue....though may be he was a part but who knows he was not alone....

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2007, 06:22:17 AM »
On the issue of Ninoy Aquino, perhaps it was time for Pres. Marcos to be replaced, though I have positive opinions of the man, the republic was definately suffering during his later administrations--due to massive corruption in the beaurocracy, further escalation in the conflict with the MNLF/MILF/ as well increased terrorist activities by the NPA.

The fall of Marcos allowed the 'dream' of the first republic to be rekindled--with activity in local politics and change in leadership in the central government. Aquino, Ramos, Estrada and now with Macapagal-Arroyo---21 years later, 20 million more filipinos more, and with a growing 6.9% gdp growth, change and fruits of labor definately is witnessed in later years.

Thanks for Marcos for his infrastructure investments, for his maintenance of the republic despite insurgency---lets hope the republic remains strong in this new generation-- and never let the DREAM of a "Philippine Republic" ever die...never shall tyrants trample thy sacred shores.

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2007, 01:24:08 AM »


It was in the "New Society Movement" of Marcos that the Republic moved forward!!!!

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2007, 07:33:07 AM »
Can you tell us more about the New Society Movement?

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2007, 03:26:39 PM »


The declaration of the Martial Law was the start of the New Society Movement. This was the birth too of the Kabataang Barangay which is the present SK; will provide you more...

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2007, 07:31:52 AM »
Junayag,

Please tell us more about the New Society Movement. I was too young then. All I could remember is the tune of the Bagong Lipunan March -- the tempo and marching music is really inspiring. I will give a lock of my hair just to hear that march again over the radio station.



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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2007, 08:34:05 AM »
He is the origin of all our headaches and sins today. He borrowed $25 billion and we are being made to pay it today and probably the next many generations. Paying this debt plus interest have become a monkey on our back. It is one reason why our kababayans have to leave the country look for better pastures overseas. It is a complex process such that many of us are blaming the wrong person. During his time, he turned our teachers, comelec and all small officials into election cheaters. He turned our police and military as his goons. In short, he destroyed whatever good values our teachers and military had. Nobody respects now our teachers, police and soldiers. These are loses and damages which can no longer be restored. Trust and confidence are like eggs. Once they are broken, every thing is gone. Yet until today, we seem to have not learned anything. If we don't decide to change individually, there may be no more hope for the Philippines.

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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2007, 12:48:31 AM »


Yes, the change must start from ourselves, from each individual.

On the other, I could not single out Pres. Marcos for all what transpired, like any other, there are pluses at the same time minuses....

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2007, 07:57:34 AM »
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He's really brilliant!  in any way.. kaya pinapapatay nya si nenoy kay ayaw nya malabwan sa katalino.

Actually I heard some humors nga ang author sa pag papatay ni Ninoy is not come from Marcos Family. I heard nga ang author sometihing related lang sa kay Ninoy nga family that is why one of the reason why until now unresolve pa ang case.

Pres Marcos is  wise and brilliant Pres. he is not a corrupt press but his adviser and his wife are the one who are very corrupt. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2007, 11:14:03 PM »


there might be some truth in that rumor because until now this remained an unresolved matter.... regardless of whoever the culprit, Marcos would remain a legend, a myth that the next generation would unravel his life...

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2007, 05:57:35 AM »
I personally think that Aquino was murdered by another party; probably an anti-marcos supporter and shot Aquino---knowing full well that Marcos would be blamed for the exiled Senator's death.

Aquino's death was the straw the broke the camel's back, and the force that riled the will of the Filipino people.

My views regarding Pres. Marcos remains unchanged; he was a great man--and a brilliant politician. He did what he had to do during the time era he lived in.

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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2007, 10:05:23 AM »
Pres. Marcos
Actually I heard some humors nga ang author sa pag papatay ni Ninoy is not come from Marcos Family. I heard nga ang author sometihing related lang sa kay Ninoy nga family that is why one of the reason why until now unresolve pa ang case.

Pres Marcos is  wise and brilliant Pres. he is not a corrupt press but his adviser and his wife are the one who are very corrupt. 

I've no doubt he was a brilliant man. But what about the thousands of human rights violations nga nahitabo sa panahon sa iyang pagka Presidente? You say nga dili siya corrupt, well what do you call a man who stands by and does nothing while his wife steals billions from his very own people? If indeed, accdg sa imoha nga iyang wife ra ang corrupt ug dili siya...

I've a problem with someone who declares Martial Law and sets up a dictatorship coz he believes nga siya ra ang maayong tawo sa Pilipinas who can single-handedly solve the country's problems. He had the Savior Complex.

He was a brilliant man, maybe even a brilliant politician. But a great man he was not.



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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2007, 12:45:12 PM »
It is human nature to look back fondly to "the good 'ol days." Seldom have I heard anyone say, "these are great days."

Having spent part of my Martial Law-era childhood in the border town of Wao which straddles Bukidnon and Lanao del Sur, I saw my uncle's bullet-ridden body and countless other blood-bathed cadavers that were victims of the Muslim-Christian conflict we still inherit now. My family would never have chosen to live in that strife-torn town if prosperity or the promise of it were widely available then.

Like some of us here, I was a two-year old toddler when Marcos first became president. I have lived through his entire political career as president and my parents, both government employees, barely eked out a living. I was lucky to get a scholarship, courtesy of the Jesuits, from high school through college.

No doubt Marcos had an impressive bearing as a leader--a great orator, a confident statesman whose inimitable political flair easily lent him a bigger-than-life image even in his time. That was also his downfall--as he pandered to the Filipino's instinct for political patronage and made the country a conjugal fiefdom with his wife through his years of dictatorship.

I'll grant that I may have a different definition of great leadership. For me, the legacy of a great national leader is not a personality cult embellished by urban legend. For me, a great national leader is one who has built lasting institutions to help and guide the governance of present and future generations. If Marcos were indeed a great national leader, we should presently be the beneficiaries of independent and co-equal Executive, Legistative and Judicial branches of government. Our electoral system should have been debugged of fraud, manipulation, rigging and vote-buying.

It is noteworthy that we usually associate Martial Law with Marcos--which was a high-handed rule that imprisoned political opponents and widely trampled human rights.

It is not in the same as league the New Deal of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, that continues to be the model for fine-tuning economies all over the world. Nor is it even of the same shade as the more recent Ronald Reagan's Supply-Side Economics that is likewise being used by governments all over the world to boost productivity and revitalize economies.

Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew and Malaysia's Tun Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad have at least built strong economic foundations that continue to spur these countries' growth.

If Marcos were a great leader, most of us at TB should be exchanging our views from within Bohol, or at least from within the country... We should be able to lounge around at the ICM or walk the streets of Tagbilaran without fear for our property and life...



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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2007, 04:35:49 PM »
Sir Bene, You said it well and I can only agree to the fullest.



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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2007, 04:07:50 PM »
But look after Pres. Marcos wala man gihapon miuswag ang Pilipinas misamot man hinuon ka pobre, Look kung pila na ang utang sa Pilipinas karon, Kanang gipamatay nga mga reporters karon time ni Gloria unsa may imong ika sulti.

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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2007, 12:54:40 AM »
One can even say that Her Excellency President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo runs the country in the manner as that of the late, Pres. Marcos.

She, like her predecessor, is absolute, and firm handed when dealing with militant enemies. She, like Marcos, soothes the ears of Washington and under her administration, has re-established the strong Philippine-American military/politico bonds of friendship.

When Marcos promised something, he delivered it. To quote an American Senator during the 70s,
"The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch"

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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2007, 01:00:59 AM »
One can even say that Her Excellency President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo runs the country in the manner as that of the late, Pres. Marcos.

She, like her predecessor, is absolute, and firm handed when dealing with militant enemies. She, like Marcos, soothes the ears of Washington and under her administration, has re-established the strong Philippine-American military/politico bonds of friendship.

When Marcos promised something, he delivered it. To quote an American Senator during the 70s,
"The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch"

Well, dodong, in that case...the 40 million cowards chased the one and only son of a bitch away and hauled his a** off to Honolulu...

A great feat for cowards, wouldn't you say?  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2007, 01:07:44 AM »
But look after Pres. Marcos wala man gihapon miuswag ang Pilipinas misamot man hinuon ka pobre, Look kung pila na ang utang sa Pilipinas karon, Kanang gipamatay nga mga reporters karon time ni Gloria unsa may imong ika sulti.

Ashton, you raised some valid points. But pls don't deviate from the topic at hand. This is a thread about one's opinion on Pres. Marcos, so let's not discuss our country's present woes or Gloria's brand of leadership in here. There are other threads for that.

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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2007, 09:17:22 AM »
Well I understand, honesty our family are not pro Marcos but we are anti Marcos and  we are pro- Gloria. Ang mahirap sa atin one sided ta pag-ayo we are counting all the mali and we're not counting some of their achievements.
Ang corruptions part na sa politics, and not only our governments are corrupt but all over the world. ang uban secrito lang ang bunal pero millions din kada bunal.

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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2007, 11:08:09 AM »
Well, dodong, in that case...the 40 million cowards chased the one and only son of a bitch away and hauled his a** off to Honolulu...

A great feat for cowards, wouldn't you say?  ;D

Hahahahahah well said, 'te.

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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2007, 11:16:50 AM »
Recap:

 For more than 20 years (Dec. 30, 1965 – Feb. 25, 1986) Ferdinand Marcos ruled the Philippines. He promised to make the nation great again in his inaugural speech of December 30, 1965.

His political venture began with his election to the House of Representatives in 1949 as a Congressman from Ilocos. He became Senate President in 1963. He was married to Imelda Romualdez from Leyte.

He ran for President as Nacionalista in 1965 election and won over Macapagal. Elected with Marcos as Vice-President was his NP running mate Fernando Lopez.

THE FIRST MARCOS TERM (1965 – 1969)

In his first term Marcos tried to stabilize the financial position of the government through an intensified tax collection. He also borrowed heavily from international financing institutions to support a large-scale infrastructure works projects were built. He improved agricultural production to make the country self-sufficient in food, especially in rice.

Marcos also tried to strengthen the foreign relations of the Philippines. He hosted a seven-nation summit conference on the crisis in South Vietnam in October, 1966. In support for the U.S. military efforts in South Vietnam, he agreed to send Filipino troops to that war zone.

THE SECOND TERM OF MARCOS (1969 – 1972) In November 1969 Ferdinand Marcos and Fernando Lopez were re-elected. They defeated the Liberal Party ticket of Sergio Osmeña, Jr. and Senator Genaro Magsaysay. In winning the election, Marcos achieved the political distinction of being the first President of the Republic to be re-elected.

The most important developments during the second term of Marcos were the following:

The 1971 Constitutional Convention The Congress of the Philippines called for a Constitutional Convention on June 1, 1971 to review and rewrite the 1935 Constitution. Three-hundred twenty delegates were elected. The convention was headed first by former President Carlos P. Garcia and later by former President Diosdado Macapagal.

The Convention's image was tarnished by scandals which included the bribing of some delegates to make them "vote" against a proposal to prohibit Marcos from continuing in power under a new constitution. This scandal was exposed by Delegate Eduardo Quintero. For exposing the bribery attempt, Quintero found himself harassed by the government.

The first Papal Visit to the Philippines On November 27, 1970, Pope Paul VI visited the Philippines. It was the first time that the Pope had visited the only Catholic nation in Asia. Huge crowds met the Pope wherever he went in Metro Manila. The Pope left on November 29.

The Rise of Student Activism

Students protests on the prevailing conditions of the country saddled the second term of Marcos in office. Large throngs of students went out into the street of Manila and other urban centers to denounce the rampant graft and corruption, human rights violation, high tuition fees, militarization and abuses of the military, the presence of the U.S. Military bases and the subservience of the Marcos Administration to U.S. interests and policies.

The most violent student demonstration took place on January 1970 when thousands of student demonstrators tried to storm the gates of Malacañang. Six students were killed and many were wounded. This event came to be know as the "Battle of Mendiola".

The radical student groups during this period were the Kabataang Makabayan (KM) and the Samahang Demokratikong Kabataan (SDK). The communists took advantage of the situation and used the demonstrations in advancing its interests. The most prominent of the student leaders of this time were Nilo Tayag and Edgar Joson.

THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW PEOPLE'S ARMY (NPA)

Because of the perceived deplorable condition of the nation, the communist movement subdued by President Magsaysay in 1950's, revived their activities and clamor for reform. A more radical group, the Maoists, who believed in the principles of Mao-Tse-Tung (leader of China) took over the communist movement. They reorganized the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) and created a new communist guerilla army called the New People's Army (NPA).

The communists took advantage of the growing discontent with the Marcos. Administration to increase the number and strength. As a strategy, they actively supported a number of anti-Marcos groups. They infiltrated several student organizations, farmers, laborers and even professionals. The NPA gradually increased its ranks and spread to other parts of the country as far as Mindanao.

THE RISE IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE

In the early 1970's many of the acts of violence were inspired by the communists. Some, however, were believed to have been planned by pro-Marcos and other terrorist incidents rocked Metro Manila. The bloodiest was the Plaza Miranda Bombing on the night of August 1, 1971 where the Liberal Party had a political rally. Eight persons were killed and over 100 others were injure. Among the senatorial candidates injured were Eva Estrada Kalaw and several of its top officials.

Marcos blamed the communists for the tragic incident. He suspended the writ of habeas corpus to maintain peace and other. The suspension was lifted on January 11, 1972. Hundred of suspected subversives among the ranks of students, workers and professionals were picked up and detained by the government.

THE PROCLAMATION OF MARTIAL LAW

 On September 21, 1972, Marcos declared Martial Law. This marked the beginning of the Marcos dictatorship. Proclamation 1081 placed the entire country under the military. It was signed on September 21, 1972 and announced to the nation in the evening of September 23, 1972. His main reason for declaring Martial Law as "to save the Republic" and "to reform society". He explained that the growing violence in the nation, caused by the leftists and the rightists elements had come to certain magnitude that required martial law.

It was believed that the true reason why Marcos declared martial was to perpetuate his rule over the Philippines. The 1935 Constitution limited the term of the President to no more than eight consecutive years in office.

The constitution did not say how long martial law should last. The constitution left much about martial law to the President's own judgment.

Marcos extended the period of Martial Law beyond the end of his term in 1973. He abolished the Congress of the Philippines and over its legislative powers. Thus, Marcos became a one-man ruler, a dictator. Marcos described his martial law government as a "constitutional authoritarianism".

Although the courts remained in the judiciary, the judges of all courts, from the Supreme Court down to the lowest courts, became "casuals". Their stay in office depended on the wishes of the dictator.

Under the martial law Marcos disregarded the constitution. For instance, he violated the provision which guaranteed the Bill of Rights (Article III). Upon his orders, the military picked up and detained thousands of Filipinos suspected of subversion. Among them were his critics and political opponents namely Senator Benigno S. Aquino, Jr., Francisco "Soc"Rodrigo, Jose W. Diokno and Jovita R. Salonga. Hundreds of detainees were tortured by their captors. Some disappeared and were never found again. Many were held in military detention camps for years without trial.

As a result of the foregoing measured, the crime rate in the country was reduced significantly. People became law-abiding. But these good gains did not last long. After a year of martial law, crime rates started to soar. By the time Marcos was removed from power, the peace and order situation in the country had become worse.

This communist insurgency problem did not stop when Marcos declared Martial law. A government report in 1986 showed that the NPAs already numbered over 16,000 heavily-armed guerillas. The NPAs waged a vigorous war against government forces They staged ambuscades and engaged in terrorist activities such as assassination of local officials who were known to be engaged in corrupt activities. The NPA killer squads were called Sparrow Units. They were feared in the areas under their control. They also imposed taxed in their territories.

To fight the growing NPA threat, Marcos increased the armed forces to over 200,000 men. He also organized Civilian Home Defense Forces in the rural areas threatened by the NPAs . Several NPA leaders were captured like Jose Ma. Sison, alleged founder of the communist Party in the Philippines; Bernabe Buscayno, the NPA chief, and Victor Corpus, a renegade PC lieutenant.

The rampant violation of human rights of the people in the rural areas suspected of being NPA sympathizers, the injustices committed by some government officials and powerful and influential persons, and the continuing poverty of the people were used as propaganda of the NPA in attracting idealistic young people. Even priests and nuns who were witnesses to the oppression of the Marcos dictatorship join the NPAs. One of the priests who joined the NPA was Father Conrado Balweg of the Society of the Divine Word (SVD). He became a rebel folk hero to the ethnic tribes in the Cordilleras in Northern Luzon. As of July 1993, Balweg claimed to reports: "I am still in charge".

POLITICAL PARTIES DURING THE MARCOS REGIME

In the early years of martial law, political parties were suspended. Political parties resumed only with the election for the Interim Batasang Pambansa on April 7, 1978. It was the first national election under Martial law.

The second electoral exercise was the election of local officials held on January 30, 1980. As expected, political parties resurfaced. Those who supported President Marcos formed the Kilusang Bagong Lipunan (KBL) which became in fact anew political party. Its members were from the ranks of the Liberal and Nacionalist parties. The KBL dominated all the elections held during the Marcos era.

New political parties emerged to fight the KBL. One such group was the Lakas ng Bayan (LABAN) founded in 1978 by the opposition group headed by former Senator Benigno S. Aquino, Jr. LABAN had a 21-man ticket in Metro Manila for the 1978 IBP elections. The KBL candidates headed by Imelda R. Marcos prevailed in the elections.

Aside from LABAN, the other partied organized were the Mindanao Alliance, the Partido Demokratiko ng Pilipinas (PDP), Bicol Saro, Pusyon Bisaya and Pinaghiusa in Cebu. Later on these small political parties united themselved into one umbrella organization that came to be known as the United Nationalist Democratic Organization (UNIDO) headed by former Senator Salvador H. Laurel. The UNIDO had its first electoral exercise in the 1984 Batasan elections. The great majority of the 60 or so opposition lawmakers who were elected in 1984 were UNIDO candidates.

ECONOMIC CHANGES UNDER MARCOS

To hasten the economic development, President Marcos implemented a number of economic programs. These programs helped the country to enjoy the period of economic growth I the mid-1970's up to the early 1980's.

The farmers were given technical and financial aid and other incentives such as "price support". With the incentives given to the farmers, the country's agricultural sector grew. As a result, the Philippines became self-sufficient in rice in 1976 and even became a rice exporter.

To help finance a number of economic development projects such as soil exploration, the establishment of geothermal power plants, the Bataan Nuclear Plant, hydro-electric dams, the construction of more roads, bridges, irrigation systems and other expensive infrastructure projects, the government engaged in foreign borrowings.

Foreign capital was invited to invest in certain industrial projects. They were offered incentives including tax exemption privileges and the privilege of bringing out their profits in foreign currencies. One of the most important economic programs in the 1980's was the Kilusang Kabuhayan at Kaunlaran (KKK). This program was started in September 1981. Its aim was to promote the economic development of the barangays by encouraging the barangay residents to engage in their own livelihood projects.

The government's efforts resulted in the increase of the nation's economic growth rate to an average of six percent to seven percent from 1970 to 1980. The rate was only less than 5 percent in the previous decade. The Gross National Product of the country (GNP) rose from P55 billion in 1972 to P193 billion in 1980.

Another major contributor to the economic growth of the country was the tourism industry. The number of tourists visiting the Philippine rose to one million by 1980 from less than 200,000 in previous years. The country earned at $500 million a year from tourism. A big portion of the tourist group was composed of Filipino balikbayans under the Ministry of Tourism's Balikbayan Program which was launched in 1973.

Another major source of economic growth of the country was the remittances of overseas Filipino workers. Thousands of Filipino workers found employment in the Middle East and in Singapore and Hongkong. These overseas Filipino workers not only helped ease the country's unemployment problem but also earned much-needed foreign exchange for the Philippines.

FOREIGN-RELATIONS POLICY UNDER MARCOS REGIME

In 1976 President Marcos announced to the Filipino people his policy of establishing relations with communist countries such as the People's Republic of Chine (june 9, 1975) and the Soviet Union (June 2, 1976).

Relations with the United States was modified. It was no longer based on the "sentemental ties" but on mutual respect for each other's national interest. Thus, the military and economic agreements between U.S. and the Philippines were amended to reflect this new relationship. In the amendments to the RP-U.S. Military Bases Agreement of 1947, the U.S. acknowledged the sovereignty of the Philippines over the American military bases in the country (Subic and Clark). These bases would have a Filipino commander and would fly the Philippine flag. IN addition, the U.S agreed to pay rentals to the Philippines for the use of the bases.

Marcos established closer ties with the Asian countries. The Philippines became a leading member of the Third-World – the collective name for the developing countries at that time. The Philippines actively participated in such world conferences as the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) meeting held in Nairobi, Kenya, in 1976 and in the International Meeting on "Cooperation and Development held by the heads of 21 nations in Cancun, Mexico, in 1981.

Marcos took his oath of office on June 30, 1981 at the Luneta Park for a six-year term ending in 1987. On that occasion Marcos announced the establishment of a "New Republic of the Philippines".

The lifting of Martial Law

After implementing the program of development, Pres. Marcos issued Proclamation NO. 2045 on January 17, 1981, lifting Martial Law. Martial Law lasted for eight years, 3 months and 26 days. Mr. Marcos lifted Martial law to show to the Filipinos and the world that the situation in the Philippines was already back to normal. The government had already been functioning smoothly under the 1973 Constitution. Despited the lifting of Martial law, however, Marcos remained powerful and practised authoritarian rule.


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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2007, 12:47:56 AM »


Lorenz,
Good material....but we have to get more sources with no biases... to make a balance assessment... Marcos indeed brilliant...

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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2007, 05:01:24 AM »
Will find more information, Jun.

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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2007, 02:09:37 AM »


we should not be mistaken for being a loyalist... what we are trying to drive at is his brilliancy... ideas.. where others have emulate... if there were deficiencies in the process of implementation.that is what the new bred of politicians should rectify...

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