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Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« on: February 27, 2010, 01:35:07 PM »
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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 02:16:16 PM »
ang maka share ani, kadto rang mga tiguwang......nyahahahah.

akong older bro kay didto gyud siya...hasta pod sa ikaduha.....ang ikatulo murag mga goons na man to'ng nangapil.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 02:26:16 PM »
ang maka share ani, kadto rang mga tiguwang......nyahahahah.

akong older bro kay didto gyud siya...hasta pod sa ikaduha.....ang ikatulo murag mga goons na man to'ng nangapil.


panahon jud na namo Bugs! Pero dili nako ma relate akong experience kay it was a TOP SECRET. ;)

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 04:48:32 PM »
My experience with Edsa started at the MIA when Ninoy Aquino arrived from exile in the US on August 21, 1983. My cousin and I were the ones representing the Bohol opposition party. I did not see the shooting of Ninoy but I can relate everything what happened outside and inside the airport terminal building.

In my opinion Edsa one was not spontaneous but there were people who organized the rallies through the phones. The issue about the shortage of commodities is not true. The people who started to spread the issue about shortages were the ATOM of Butch Aquino. Most of them are junior  executives in Makati who are anti Marcos. They knew the forecast of production. Whenever a certain product in a certain month will slow down in production they will immediately spread the words that there is a shortage. People will get scared and they will start panic buying... creating an artificial shortages.

I should know this because I was a member of the ATOM group.

I come to realize that Edsa I and II were not good for the political and economic health of our nation. It created uncertainty that Filipinos are looking for works abroad because the Philippines has lesser oportunity today than during the time of Marcos.

During the time of Marcos local employments are available to the people because the government encouraged investors to open EPZA's in Bataan, Cebu and Baguio. The manufacture of computer chips in Asia started in Philippines but investors shied away because there were many political extremists who sabotaged their investment in our country.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 10:17:13 PM »
My experience with Edsa started at the MIA when Ninoy Aquino arrived from exile in the US on August 21, 1983. My cousin and I were the ones representing the Bohol opposition party. I did not see the shooting of Ninoy but I can relate everything what happened outside and inside the airport terminal building.

In my opinion Edsa one was not spontaneous but there were people who organized the rallies through the phones. The issue about the shortage of commodities is not true. The people who started to spread the issue about shortages were the ATOM of Butch Aquino. Most of them are junior  executives in Makati who are anti Marcos. They knew the forecast of production. Whenever a certain product in a certain month will slow down in production they will immediately spread the words that there is a shortage. People will get scared and they will start panic buying... creating an artificial shortages.

I should know this because I was a member of the ATOM group.

I come to realize that Edsa I and II were not good for the political and economic health of our nation. It created uncertainty that Filipinos are looking for works abroad because the Philippines has lesser oportunity today than during the time of Marcos.

During the time of Marcos local employments are available to the people because the government encouraged investors to open EPZA's in Bataan, Cebu and Baguio. The manufacture of computer chips in Asia started in Philippines but investors shied away because there were many political extremists who sabotaged their investment in our country.

WN       



   


Bitaw WN noh? ingon pa to sa ako papa sa una daw si Marcos ra tig hipus sa kwarta, karon daw from the Prexy down to the barangay captains! Honest, we were well off during Marcos time. Pag puli ni Cory wa man sha hanaw mao ang mga ang mga bright mauy nagpalujo nija nga mas hungry detergent pa kay ni Marcos. The country was in distress right then...

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 10:20:08 PM »
Were you there during the first edsa revolution?

Not the first one but the second.  Nagbaklay apil up to Edsa shrine.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 10:24:44 PM »
Were you there during the first edsa revolution?

Not the first one but the second.  Nagbaklay apil up to Edsa shrine.


that was fun! para nako it was fun! kasagaran adtong nangapil, ning apil for fun! hahahha!

anyway humana man to. naa lain reason adto nganong nabuhat to. di nako ma sulti diri.



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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 10:30:33 PM »
Yes, lingaw pud apil apil sa kagubot. Di nako malimtan kay naka tunob ko sa edsa shrine dapit ug human time bomb kay ang uban didto na nagyagyag sa ilang hugaw. Yuck... hehe 


that was fun! para nako it was fun! kasagaran adtong nangapil, ning apil for fun! hahahha!

anyway humana man to. naa lain reason adto nganong nabuhat to. di nako ma sulti diri.


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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 11:16:40 PM »
... i was not there. i was in the province of Leyte.
... i was in Baybay, Leyte. I was inside my cottage.
... inside the college campus.
... radio glued on my ears.
... every broadcast was a thrill.
... i felt very victorious!
... when the Marcoses were sneaked out to Hawaii.
... i was rejoicing! my cottage mates were not.
... they were Leyteños. They loved Marcos.
... they love Imelda very much.
... earlier in January 1986, was the snap election.
... i was a very active member of Namfrel.
... i was assigned to monitor a school nearby the college.
... the pro-Marcos civilians were harassing us, Namfrel members.
... i was not an exemption.
... a caliber .38 was trained at me point-blanked. i was instructed to leave the premises.
... i did not heed his call. i have my order to stay and watch the voting.
... i was not afraid. there were many witnesses, in case, the trigger was pulled.
... i am still alive til now.
... but i am an old gun now. i am passing the yoke to the young guns now.
... the struggle is not yet over.
... the Philippines is not yet free from crocs and wolves.
... i couldnt yet see the light.
... but at least i am proud to be one of the grains of sand,
... who was counted in to make a change.
... Edsa 1 was a success in toppling down one bad man,
... but an opportunity to empower more bad men.
... quo vadis, Filipinas?

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 11:28:23 PM »
I was only a couple months old when this historic event occurred.



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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 05:55:54 AM »

Ms da binsi,

Tinood na nga si Marcos nakakuarta sa panahon nija... pero bisan ug kinsay imong ibutang sa puesto naay panguarta. Dili mawa na bisan asa sa tibook kalibutan kay dili man ta mga santo. Kung manguarta dili unta i-apil ang kuarta sa lungsod.

Usa sa mga hinungdan nganong gi declare ang Martial Law tungod kay sa wa pa ma-deklara ang Martial Law ang mga negosyante sa una ug mga tawo sa gobierno maoy klarong nangawat sa kaban sa lungsod. Mas dautan! Hunahuna-a ni nga kita "classified as an agricultural country" busa ang atong abot gikan sa copra ug asukal adto gyud unta idapat sa kinahanglanon sa tawo. Apan dili man maka-abot sa mga tawo kay tungod dili man mobayad sa hustong buhis ang mga negosyante kay ang copra ila mang gi-smuggle, boot pasabot nga pinaagi sa pagkarga ug copra sa mga hilit ug tago nga mga pantalan labi na sa Mindanao ilang ma-export ang copra without proper documentation. Ang nahibaw ini kadto ra pung mga tawo sa gobierno nga apil sa bahin. Mao ni gitawag ug technical smuggling. Mao pung sistemaha sa BIR ug custom.

Mao usab sa exportation of sugar. Kanang storya sa mga Ilonggo bahin anang giingon ug; "sa amon to ginapiko ginapala ang kuarta may sigarilyo ka ba jan to"... tinood na kay pagapikohon nila ang yuta aron itanum ang tubo ug ang abot nga asukal gipala sa mga nagtrabaho didto sa bodega. Sila mga "sakada" wa jamo-jamo'y kuarta pero ang ilang mga amo nga gitawag ug "sugar planters" maoy sige ug palit ug bag-ong modelo sa awto kada tuig.

Kining copra ug asukal maoy gisaligan sa gobierno nga makakuha ta ug dollar nga boot pasabot "cash crop" nato ni. Sa pag-declare ug Martial Law mao ning duha ka industriya ang gipakanaugan ug "Monopoly Law" ni Marcos. Para ang duha ka "cash crop industries" dili maka-ipsut sa buhis sa gobierno. Ang gihimo ni Marcos nga "Government Controlled Corporation lang ang mahimong mag-export.

Tungod ining paagiha naglaway intawon ang mga sugar ug coconut planters nga gahimo sila ug paagi nga mapukan si Marcos. Usa sila sa nagpasiugda sa people power. Ilang gi-awhag ang katawhan nga dautan si Marcos aron mapukan. 

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 03:20:55 AM »
I was just getting ready to start my 4th year of high school back in my home country of states.

I remember watching it all day repeatedly on the news I felt very sad for what had happened.

The other day I went to the plaza for the anniversary day celebration of EDSA and it was so mingaw. I am sure I recall one of the speeches at the event said that one of the Vice presidential candidates for the May 10 election, that their father was connected to be one of the hench men of Ninoy Aquino.

I will never forget looking on the TV and watching the news on TV and looking at the news in the paper and the turmoil surrounding everything on the day the man who fought for Democratic freedom was shot down......You would not think that anyone cared about such a freedom today as maybe about close to 40 turned out for the event and the candle lighting ceremony for freedom of democracy turn out was around 10-12 persons.

I watched the presentation from start to finish and learned many more things regarding the history and how the people reacted to a very horrible sittuation and time during the time when things here were under martail law.

I hope to see a better turn out next year as the freedom for democracy banner was unveiled the other night during the event and was said that it will adorn the office walls at the freedom for democracy headquarters.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 03:28:10 AM »
Yes' gwargs I have also heard some Filipino sharing the same feelings in the the last two-three lines of your statement two threads back.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 07:41:31 AM »
The true nature of Edsa I and II is a naked grabbed of power. It is a feeling of pride to some people to say that they were at Edsa as part of history during those four days in February when they toppled Marcos. 

In those four days in February it shows the influence media had on the people when they reversed the true meaning of democracy. The media wanted us to believe that Edsa is democratic and some of the people, I believe they are the minority... like cattle led into the slaughterhouse gave their all out faith and support of Edsa. 

The propaganda spun by the media that Edsa one is the restoration of our democracy is purely hogwash because... if you look at the people who led to restore our democracy like the late Cory Aquino and Cardinal Sin, the military, the academe and the elite of Manila are almost the same people who ousted Erap from power. And they let the ordinary people who do not even know the implication and meaning of a political issue to protest in the street for justice and democracy.

The late Cory Aquino the leader of the first Edsa did not understand what she was doing when she led the people again in the ousting of Erap. She is reverred as the restorer of democracy. Erap as a post Marcos president is a product of the belief in Edsa. The ousting of Erap from power is contrary to the tenet of democracy therefore the idea that Cory Aquino restored our democracy is a misnomer that will lead us to believe that Edsa I and II are all political maneuvers to advance their own selfish interest... which is the greed for power.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 07:57:52 AM »
Ms da binsi,

Tinood na nga si Marcos nakakuarta sa panahon nija... pero bisan ug kinsay imong ibutang sa puesto naay panguarta. Dili mawa na bisan asa sa tibook kalibutan kay dili man ta mga santo. Kung manguarta dili unta i-apil ang kuarta sa lungsod.

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Mao usab sa exportation of sugar. Kanang storya sa mga Ilonggo bahin anang giingon ug; "sa amon to ginapiko ginapala ang kuarta may sigarilyo ka ba jan to"... tinood na kay pagapikohon nila ang yuta aron itanum ang tubo ug ang abot nga asukal gipala sa mga nagtrabaho didto sa bodega. Sila mga "sakada" wa jamo-jamo'y kuarta pero ang ilang mga amo nga gitawag ug "sugar planters" maoy sige ug palit ug bag-ong modelo sa awto kada tuig.

Kining copra ug asukal maoy gisaligan sa gobierno nga makakuha ta ug dollar nga boot pasabot "cash crop" nato ni. Sa pag-declare ug Martial Law mao ning duha ka industriya ang gipakanaugan ug "Monopoly Law" ni Marcos. Para ang duha ka "cash crop industries" dili maka-ipsut sa buhis sa gobierno. Ang gihimo ni Marcos nga "Government Controlled Corporation lang ang mahimong mag-export.

Tungod ining paagiha naglaway intawon ang mga sugar ug coconut planters nga gahimo sila ug paagi nga mapukan si Marcos. Usa sila sa nagpasiugda sa people power. Ilang gi-awhag ang katawhan nga dautan si Marcos aron mapukan. 

WN   


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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 07:02:40 AM »
 May pai mosinggit nalang siyag MALCOS PALIN!:)

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2010, 03:42:47 AM »


Ang mga tawo nga moingon nga dautan si Marcos mao tong mga tawo diin iyang gitang-tangan ug mga kagawasan sa pagsaway pinaagi sa "press", kadtong mga kontra partido sa pulitika pananglitan si Ninoy Aquino, kadto pung mga negosyante nga iyang gikuhaan ug gahum sa "exportation" ug kadtong gitawag ug mga "political romantics" nga mogakos lang ug mga ideya sa pulitika bisan ug wa nila masabti ug husto ug unsa... sama pananglit sa mga komunista.

Kini silang tanan suma total wa pa ni sa kamajingking sa kadaghanon sa mga tawo nga nabulahan sa Martial Law ni Marcos. Oo dihay sayop nga nahimo ang mga sundalo sa pagpasunod sa "Martial Law" pero dili pasabot nga ang ilang sayop makalapas sa mga maayong tinguha sa "New Society". Si Marcos namili lang unsay iyang himoon sa pagpalampos sa nasud; pinaagi ba sa pagdapig niya sa mga dagkong higante sa negosyo sama pananglit sa mga Lopezes, Roceses, Lupas ug uban pa... o adto ba siya modapig sa katawhan diin mas daghan ang nahimutang?

Ang gidapigan mao ang katawhan ug usa sa mga tawo nga iyang gisaligan nga mo-amoma ug motabang sa katawhan mao ni si Danding Cojuangco.

Atong hisgutan ni si Danding kay "controversial" nga pagkatawo sa diha nga napukan na si Marcos. Gawas sa mga Marcoses siya ang wa undangi ug gukod sa gobierno ni Cory pinaagi sa PCGG tungod kay matud pa; ang pagka adunahan ni Danding gikan kuno sa kuarta sa gobierno.

Sa akong panglantaw sakto lang nga mahimong adunahan siya [pwera ang katuman nga kasina] kay ngano man... tungod kay sija ang nag-mugna ug mga paagi diin niya natabangan ang yano nga Pilipino sama pananglit sa mga nagtanum ug lubi. Iyang gimugna ang Cocofed nga nagabaod nga kung ikaw nagtanum ug lubi unya nagbaligya ka ug kopras mahimo kang miembro sa gimugna nga kapunungan. Ang mga miembro kung magbaligya ug kopras katlian sa Cocofed ug 0.55 ka centabos sa kada usa ka gatos ka kilong kopras.

Kini gitawag ug "coconut levy" pero wa mosupak ang mga tawo nga nagbaligya lang ug kopras sa 200, 300 o 500 kilos kada ani. Kadtong hingsupak ug taman hangtud sa ilang bukog mao tong mga nagbaligya ug tonelada-toneladang timbang sa ilang kopras kada ani sama pananglit ni kanhing senador sa Pilipinas Emmanuel Pelaez. Sila nga dagko ug kalubin-an maoy dagko pud ug hulog sa "coconut levy". Mao ni sila ang mga tawo nga nangampa ug nagbaton ug nga hugot nga kapungot sa gihimo ni Danding kay dut sa ilang kahiladman tua hingpatigbabaw ang tumang kasina kay kuno kining "coconut levy" tua lang kuno masud sa bulsa ni Danding.

Kining Cocofed man gud dili man kay "brain child" ni Danding kundi iya ning gi-awat nga "cooperative system" sa Australia. Si Danding nahibaw ining sistemaha tungod kay ang uban niyang mga negosyo naa sa Australia mahimutang. Sa Australia man gud tanang linya sa negosyo anaay kapunungan nga kooperatiba sama pananglit sa gatas, harina, baka, karnero, kabayo, prutas, klase-klaseng mina ug uban pa. Nakita ni Danding nga malampuson busa iyang gi-awat.

Apan wa motan-aw ang mga kritiko ni Danding sa kauswagan kundi tua sila motan-aw sa tawo nga hing asenso nga pasanginlan nila dayon nga k******n sa kuarta sa lungsod bisan ug wala sila'y igong kapasikaran sa ilang pasangil. Boot pasabot tomu-tomu lang ug hisgut labi na ang atong "media".

Kining gi-awat ni Danding sa Australia moingon ba ang mga puno-an sa mga mantalaan sa Pilipinas nga k******n pud ang mga Australyano tungod ining napuro na sila kooperatiba?

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2010, 03:45:49 AM »
i was at home as an 10 yr old kid listening the news over the radio with my family.

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010, 03:55:53 AM »
 Way Nada, kong walang unta PATYA ni MALCOS si AQUINO, way sigurog KBL pa gihapon ang astig sa Pinas:D

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Re: Were you there during the First Edsa Revolution?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 04:57:19 AM »
Way Nada, kong walang unta PATYA ni MALCOS si AQUINO, way sigurog KBL pa gihapon ang astig sa Pinas:D

Bol,

Mao pud nay akong katahap sa una nga si Marcos ang nagpapatay ni Ninoy. Hibaw ka dinhi sa Pinas maoy kinaiya nang mag-imbento ug storya [conspiracy theory] nga mao kalingawan nga "talking points" sa mga leftists. Di ba mao nay akong giingon... kanang maga tomu-tomu ug mga pasangil nga storya.

Ako motoo ko nga diha sa sud sa gobierno ni Marcos ang nagpapatay ni Ninoy pero dili si Marcos. Tungod lang kay sija ang presidente adtong panahona nahug lang sa iyang kamot ang responsibilidad sa pagkamatay ni Ninoy.

Sa akong pagtan-aw kadtong gobierno ni Marcos diha nay "power struggle within" ug nahibaw pud si Ninoy ini mao to nga; "He also jumped into the fray"... pero siya ra pud ang nahi-agum. Bisan si Ninoy sa iyang mga diskurso sa Amerika moingon siya nga masakiton na si Marcos nga boot pasabot nga kinahanglan siyang mouli kay di siya gusto nga ipiyal ang kaugmaon sa Pilipino ngadto sa militar ug gatoo pud sija nga siya ang makasunod ni Marcos.

Ang gobierno karon ug gusto gyud nga mahibaw-an ang kamatuoran naa karon sa Muntinglupa Prison ang mga bilanggo nga mga sundalo nga na-convicto sa pag patay ni Ninoy. Karon mga miembro na sa relihiyosong grupo nga mga "Praise the Lord" gusto nila ibalik ang pagdungog sa korte sa kaso ni Ninoy kay gusto nilang ibutyag na ang kamatuoran kung kinsa ang nagpapatay.

Ngano man nga dili man mosugot ang gobierno? Ang tubag, tungod kay naa may mga tawo nga gapugong nga mabuksan pa ang kaso. Kini sila "personally affected by the declaration of Martial Law" nga karon hilabihang pagka kontra kaayo ni Marcos... nga karon ug nahimo nang demonyo si Marcos dili na nila gusto mausob ang hulagway niya.

Sa akong panglantaw tagsa o tingali wa nato dinhi nga na-apektohan nga personal sa "Martial Law". Kita sa pagka tinood mosagap lang ta ug mga balita nga pasiugda sa mga na-apektohan sa "Martial Law" nga demonyo ni si Marcos. Tungod ini kadaghanan nato nahipatik sa atong alimpatakan ang mga nakasuwat sa mantalaan nga hilabihang pagbiay-biay sa pagka tawo ni Marcos.

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 07:34:38 AM »
i think ang tanang mga convicted soldiers sa kasong murder kang ninoy gipang pardon na ni GMA.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 07:39:02 AM »
The true nature of Edsa I and II is a naked grabbed of power. It is a feeling of pride to some people to say that they were at Edsa as part of history during those four days in February when they toppled Marcos. 

In those four days in February it shows the influence media had on the people when they reversed the true meaning of democracy. The media wanted us to believe that Edsa is democratic and some of the people, I believe they are the minority... like cattle led into the slaughterhouse gave their all out faith and support of Edsa. 

The propaganda spun by the media that Edsa one is the restoration of our democracy is purely hogwash because... if you look at the people who led to restore our democracy like the late Cory Aquino and Cardinal Sin, the military, the academe and the elite of Manila are almost the same people who ousted Erap from power. And they let the ordinary people who do not even know the implication and meaning of a political issue to protest in the street for justice and democracy.

The late Cory Aquino the leader of the first Edsa did not understand what she was doing when she led the people again in the ousting of Erap. She is reverred as the restorer of democracy. Erap as a post Marcos president is a product of the belief in Edsa. The ousting of Erap from power is contrary to the tenet of democracy therefore the idea that Cory Aquino restored our democracy is a misnomer that will lead us to believe that Edsa I and II are all political maneuvers to advance their own selfish interest... which is the greed for power.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 08:30:37 AM »

Kining Cocofed man gud dili man kay "brain child" ni Danding kundi iya ning gi-awat nga "cooperative system" sa Australia. Si Danding nahibaw ining sistemaha tungod kay ang uban niyang mga negosyo naa sa Australia mahimutang. Sa Australia man gud tanang linya sa negosyo anaay kapunungan nga kooperatiba sama pananglit sa gatas, harina, baka, karnero, kabayo, prutas, klase-klaseng mina ug uban pa. Nakita ni Danding nga malampuson busa iyang gi-awat.

Apan wa motan-aw ang mga kritiko ni Danding sa kauswagan kundi tua sila motan-aw sa tawo nga hing asenso nga pasanginlan nila dayon nga k******n sa kuarta sa lungsod bisan ug wala sila'y igong kapasikaran sa ilang pasangil. Boot pasabot tomu-tomu lang ug hisgut labi na ang atong "media".

Kining gi-awat ni Danding sa Australia moingon ba ang mga puno-an sa mga mantalaan sa Pilipinas nga k******n pud ang mga Australyano tungod ining napuro na sila kooperatiba?

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 11:46:56 AM »
i think ang tanang mga convicted soldiers sa kasong murder kang ninoy gipang pardon na ni GMA.

Pardon or no pardon is not the point. The point I emphasized is; the convicted killers of Ninoy are not asking for a pardon... but they are asking the SC to re-open their case as they have new information regarding the truth in the murder of Ninoy. Boot pasabot mga bag-ong evidencia nga wa masulti sa panahon nga powerful pa ang mga Marcos. Pero karon sila na si Cory ang di gusto nga abrihan pa ang kaso ni Ninoy. Pasensiya na sila nga wa sila motug-an sa unang pagdungog sa kaso.

In my opinion president GMA will not just pardon a person or persons without them asking for a pardon. If they ask, their request will not come in an instant but the Board of Pardon and Parole will study the case before their request will reach the president. 

The only case GMA granted pardon was to Erap. Erap did not ask for pardon either. He wanted to petition his conviction in the SC. Arroyo did not wait for Erap to petition the SC. She pardoned him immediately. You know why? Because she knows Erap did not commit a crime. The case of Erap is political. As long as Erap's case is pending there is the presence of a constitutional crisis. If the Sandiganbayan have decided in favor of Erap the more the system is broken. It will come out Erap is really the legal president.

So even if it is inadequate for the court to convict Erap... for political expediency the court convicted him and he was never given a chance to go to the Supreme Court.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 11:55:32 AM »
Way Nada,

You hit the nail on the coffin in your analysis; especially considering the political and economic echelon's role in sacking Erap from office and in their relation to the repudiation of Marcos's Administration. And if one studies the evolution of Philippine Society, the power of the rich few has not changed. The so called 'echelon' is the same Principales Class that ruled the Philippine Society, the same class that worked with the Friars and the Spanish Colonial Government.

What amazes me is that the Oligarchy remains. It was a powerful force in the late 19th century, and remains so to this very day, using the mass under the veneer of People's Power to retain their own consolidated control of government and the national finance.

In regards to Marcos, I remain neutral to him, with an undeniable fondness for his Machiavellian style of rule. He was, the perfect politician.

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 01:21:27 PM »

Lorenzo,

The cultural division since the coming of the Spaniards in our country did not move, evolve or change. Nothing is new... it is still the same from its conception. One opinion maker I read in the papers extolling the cultural heritage that was brought by the Spaniards to our country. He was refering to the ilustrado culture, to which I replied; that the ilustrado culture only brings division among the Filipinos. I said this; "the ilustrado culture is a racist culture."

I noticed this division since I was a young man that when you are looking for a job at the Coca-Cola Plant of Tagbilaran you must be a meztiso to qualify as salesman. This is also true in Manila and until now parts of your resume to qualify for a job is that; you must have a pleasing personality, you must be a Catholic and if you are already old you are discriminated in favor of younger people.

Susmarosep! Ang mga maot ug nawong intawon dili maka-trabaho. Hehehe...

And the most blatant display of racial discrimination in our country was the political persecution of Erap. The line of thinking among the people who are believers of the mainstream media is like this; since Erap was elected by the poor... he is not qualified to be the president, he cannot speak English, he is not well educated and he has no knowledge of governance. For these reasons he must be ousted.

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 01:58:47 PM »
i was in channel 4 (now abs-cbn) nagbilar and nagtagay.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 02:16:31 PM »
Lorenzo,

The cultural division since the coming of the Spaniards in our country did not move, evolve or change. Nothing is new... it is still the same from its conception. One opinion maker I read in the papers extolling the cultural heritage that was brought by the Spaniards to our country. He was refering to the ilustrado culture, to which I replied; that the ilustrado culture only brings division among the Filipinos. I said this; "the ilustrado culture is a racist culture."

I noticed this division since I was a young man that when you are looking for a job at the Coca-Cola Plant of Tagbilaran you must be a meztiso to qualify as salesman. This is also true in Manila and until now parts of your resume to qualify for a job is that; you must have a pleasing personality, you must be a Catholic and if you are already old you are discriminated in favor of younger people.

Susmarosep! Ang mga maot ug nawong intawon dili maka-trabaho. Hehehe...

And the most blatant display of racial discrimination in our country was the political persecution of Erap. The line of thinking among the people who are believers of the mainstream media is like this; since Erap was elected by the poor... he is not qualified to be the president, he cannot speak English, he is not well educated and he has no knowledge of governance. For these reasons he must be ousted.

WH

Way Nada,

I respect your opinion, as it is educated and covers many points. Given it is undeniable that the negative effects Spanish Imperialism had on our country from the people to the social fabric has remained so; an effect of Hispanismo. The Spaniards have left their imprint in our zealous nature when in regards to religion as well as in the fabric of family and the family unit.

In essence, it is the effect of Roman Law that has ruled and reigned throughout tour Pacific Archipelago for almost half a millenia. For me, the Spanish imprint has a dichotomy of results; both positive and negative.

The Oligarchy that was created due to the pseudo autonomous rule that Spain gave the Philippines (it really was the Filipino ruling the Filipino during Pax Hispanica). The Filipino Principales Class implemented inhibitory rules and laws to prevent the rise of the working class; as a way to limit the control of hte nation to the said Principales.

Filipinos of the Ilustrado Class were the ones who inhibited their own peoples; mestizos marrying only mestizos, and mestizos marrying only Spaniards. The Spaniards did not care who they married as it was a Royal Promulgation by Felipe II of Espana that miscegenation was necessary. It was policy that Spanish blood be mingled with the 'Indios' to facilitate the Hispanization of the colony. This was a policy that Spain implemented not only in the Philippines but throughout its possessions in the New World.

A result of this policy, there are over 500 Million Spanish Speaking peoples in the world. Central, South America, The Philippines etc are a result of Spanish overseas miscegenation. Their effects can be seen: Culturally, Linguistically, and Genetically (he he he).

The concept of Mestizo superiority was a Filipino-grown effect. It was the Filipino Mestizo that implemente dracist clause against his own brother (the full blooded indio). The Spaniards did not care, so long as they paid taxes, were loyal to the church and did not rebel against King and Country, they could care less. The Principlaes Class (particularly Mestizos at the time) thought themselves more superior in that they ran government and ran the political structure; a way of proving to the Imperialist Spaniards that they were equal if not greater than the Spaniards.

What I do find rather interesting, is how the Principales Class has changed throughout the 100 years since Spain lost control of its Asiatic Bastion.

During Spain's control, the Chinese were considered subhuman. And many laws were implemented to prevent Chinese immigrants from marrying with Spaniards, Spanish Mestizos, and the Indios. They were literally considered the bottom of the totem pole, next to the negro and mulattos in society.

However, since that time, it is the Chinese-Filipinos that now control the Principales Class.
As well as control commerce in the Philippines. The Chinese have married into the very class that once prevented and barred them from society.

It is now the Chinese-Filipino who marries the Spanish mestiza or the indio.


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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2010, 02:22:41 PM »
Marcos' Greatest Imprint in the world.

Over 10 Million Filipinos Abroad.

The over 3 million Filipino-Americans and some 2 million Americans of partial Filipino blood are an effect of Filipino Migration Abroad.

Marcos facilitated the OFW program.



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« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2010, 02:27:19 PM »
There are over 22,000 Filipino Physicians in the United States that practice medicine.
Over 100,000 Filipino Nurses who practice nursing in the United States.

10% of the American Medical System is Filipino. And growing.

Marcos has indirectly affected the American society; and the American Medical System.

Fact.

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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2010, 02:32:21 PM »
The average Filipino Doctor in the United States makes about $350,000 a year.
22,000 X 350,000 = 7,7000,000,000
$7.7 Billion annual income.

The average Filipino Nurse in the United States makes about $80,000 a year.
100,000 X 80,000 = 8,000,000,0000
$8 Billion annual income.


Guaranteed much of this income goes back to the Philippines to help family members.
Driving and aiding in the Philippine Economy.


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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2010, 02:55:50 PM »
Lorenzo.., inig graduate nimo sa medicine, diha gyud ka magpractice sa imong profession sa America.

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« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2010, 03:13:34 PM »
Lorenzo.., inig graduate nimo sa medicine, diha gyud ka magpractice sa imong profession sa America.

When I finish internship, sir, I would like to establish a hospital in the Philippines.

I would, ultimately, like to repatriate back to my Fatherland.

My heart is in the Philippines.

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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2010, 03:20:54 PM »
When I finish internship, sir, I would like to establish a hospital in the Philippines.

I would, ultimately, like to repatriate back to my Fatherland.

My heart is in the Philippines.

Dodong maka bawi kaha ka sa student loan ana? maybe after mahuman tanan mga loans and credit cards then pwede na ka mag himo ug hospital sa atoa. I have friends who finished medicine, daghan jamo gipang bayaran.

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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2010, 03:24:21 PM »
Dodong maka bawi kaha ka sa student loan ana? maybe after mahuman tanan mga loans and credit cards then pwede na ka mag himo ug hospital sa atoa. I have friends who finished medicine, daghan jamo gipang bayaran.

ahaha! now you sound like my mother. That is something she would say.

or mo ingon pa, "Doy, ajaw kalimatan mi diri ha? mo pay back pa ka sa loans sa imong mommy ug daddy before maka minjo ka"

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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2010, 04:47:38 PM »
i was at home, watching tv, until the tv was turned dead because of the shooting at the tv station's main tower in manila. 

all your historical/cynical claims have basis in fact, wn and lorenzo (though it's hitting the 'nail on the head' and not the 'nail on the coffin,' please), but aren't we also helping perpetuate this system?  we vote for this same people, we behave as if we honor them (don't u.s. fil-am groups invite politicians--- as speakers, as inducting officers of organizations; think boawas of seattle and some other funny acronyms somewhere else--- and roll the red carpet for them?).  sadly, these political leaders could be mirrors of what we are.  we may deserve them even if we feel we don't.

edsa I was a nation's effort to effect change.  after 21 years, we have bent backward too long.  the process may have had its failings.  there may have been puppeteers who held the strings.  (well, who says revolutions don't have manipulators?)  the results may be disappointing as we are disappointed now.  but edsa uno at least assured us that power is still in the people. 

let the new generation learn better and effect change better.  best of all, let the new generation be better politicians than their elders.  (by the way, is jinggoy better than erap?)  

p.s.  that shooting at the tv tower in quezon city... one of the more poignant pictures of edsa I was of a dead soldier dangling from the tower.  there were two of them. the other survived; he turned out to be the brother of our neighbor.  i met him and he struck me as somewhat bonkers.  he couldn't get over the death of his buddy. 

(do you think we could have a forum such as tb if it were still marcos?  i was banned from showing up at the office for some days because i wore yellow once.)  that's why i believe edsa uno was not for nothing.     



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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2010, 05:07:08 PM »
i was 6 years old that time when the first edsa revolution happened...and as far i remember, we were at my Lola's house in Dipolog while my father would check us there every now and then...since near lng mi sa kampo nag reside, soldiers were on full alert at that time then boom...i heard cañons were fired at the sea (the camp was facing at the sea) to celebrate... yun lang na remember nako...

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Tua pa kos tijan sa ahong inahan. I am 213 days premature. Unsa pa kaho ko ato? Lawot lawot nga naglanguy languy?

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